The 'Vibescession' Will Continue Until Interest Rates Fall
A new economic paper explains why interest rates are the missing piece to understanding why people are unhappy about a seemingly strong economy.

In the mid-1840s, astronomers noticed a strange wobble in the path of the planet Uranus as it revolved around the sun.
Some theorized that such a wobble could only be caused by another large gravitational field pulling on Uranus. They did a bunch of complex math applying Isaac Newton's theories of gravity, pointed their telescopes at a spot in the sky where the missing planet should be, and boom—that's how humans confirmed the existence of Neptune.
For political economists, 2024 is now the mid-1840s and President Joe Biden's approval ratings (and reelection chances) are the orbit of Uranus around the sun. A new paper from three economists at Harvard and one based at the International Monetary Fund proposes to have found the missing planet that's exerting a significant pull on the expected sequence of events.
"Unemployment is low and inflation is falling, but consumer sentiment remains depressed," the economists write, noting that this series of events "has confounded economists, who historically rely on these two variables to gauge how consumers
feel about the economy."
Indeed, by the traditional view, Americans should be thrilled about the state of the economy. Inflation remains higher than normal but has slowed considerably since peaking in the summer of 2022. Wages have consistently outpaced inflation every month since last May. The so-called "soft landing" from inflation seems to have been achieved without tipping the country into recession. Low unemployment means that workers have considerable leverage to seek raises and better jobs—and can take refuge in the knowledge that finding another job will be relatively easy if they do get laid off.
And yet, most Americans remain sour about the state of the economy. According to a Gallup poll from last month, 45 percent of Americans rate the country's economic conditions as "poor"—a far larger share than those who rate it as "excellent" (5 percent) or "good" (22 percent). As bleak as those figures are, that's actually a slight improvement over similar Gallup polls from late 2023.
Unsurprisingly, since many people vote with their wallets, Biden's approval ratings and scores on questions about his handling of the economy—with the usual caveats about how presidents don't possess dials that control such things—remain well underwater.
So what's up? Where is the mystery planet tugging on Americans' view of what would appear to be a strong, growing economy?
The four authors of the new paper—one of whom is Harvard's Larry Summers, who tried unsuccessfully to warn the Biden administration against passing a $2 trillion stimulus bill in early 2021 because he feared inflation would be the result—point their metaphorical telescopes at interest rates.
The cost of borrowing money, they explain, "is not currently included in traditional price indexes, indicating a disconnect between the measures favored by economists and the effective costs borne by consumers." With inflation rates hitting 20-year highs in the wake of the pandemic, everything from mortgage payments and car payments to the interest costs charged by credit cards have shot upward, and that is undeniably putting a drain on Americans' wallets.
For Summers and the rest, this explains a significant portion of what some analysts have referred to as a "vibescession"—the vague but persistent sense that things aren't going as well as prominent economic indicators suggest.
As a practical matter, the economists suggest that interest rates should be taken into account when measuring things like consumer sentiment about the economy: "The inclusion of borrowing costs into an alternative measure of CPI inflation significantly narrows the gap between predicted and actual consumer sentiment," they conclude.
More generally, this theory might explain a lot. The sticker shock of higher prices at the grocery store might have waned, but higher interest rates impact Americans in a lot of ways that aren't quite as obvious. In 2018, the average monthly payment on a new car was about $530. Last year, it was over $720. Some of that increase is due to inflation in the price of vehicles, but a sizable chunk is due to interest rates being significantly higher. An extra $190 a month is a lot. It might cause some Americans to put off a planned purchase of a new car in the hopes that rates will fall—I've done that—or feel like such a purchase is unaffordable.
There's another factor at work too. Interest rates had been remarkably low for a long time until recently. Anyone younger than Gen X has never dealt with mortgage rates or loan rates approaching their current levels. Mortgage rates remain well below where they were when my parents were buying their first home in the early 1980s—rates peaked around 18 percent back then—but that is utterly meaningless to people who have seen mortgage rates nearly triple since 2020.
In short: The "vibescession" is not just a reflection of how inflation has sapped the buying power of the dollars in your wallet. It's that higher interest rates triggered by inflation have made it much more expensive to obtain the necessary dollars to make big purchases. Americans feel, correctly, that those big things are farther out of reach—and might feel more burdened by routine things like credit card purchases too.
Chalk up another reason why inflation is a dangerous beast to turn loose, and why those encouraging Biden to run the economy "hot" were playing with fire. Long after price hikes have slowed, the costs of the recent inflationary run are still being felt.
Perhaps one bit of good news: The four economists found that Americans are reacting pretty normally to all this. "We find little evidence that the United States, despite its rising partisanship, social distrust, and large reported levels of overall 'referred pain' differs meaningfully from other Western democracies," they write. "Consumers are digesting economic data in a way that is consistent with consumer sentiment during previous bursts of high inflation and increasing interest rates."
The vibes created by higher interest rates, it turns out, are a bit like gravity: easily felt, more difficult to measure. It's an invisible force, one best observed by recognizing the consequences it exerts on other things, like nearby planets and presidential approval ratings. And if used correctly, it might point your gaze toward a missing piece of the picture.
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How much did the Biden administration pay you for this propaganda piece?
What do you mean? It puts all the blame for inflation on Biden where it belongs. Doesn't mention the previous president's spending at all, nor should it. Because he wasn't responsible. Wasn't his fault. Not one tiny little bit. Whereas Biden is totally responsible for everything that passes across his desk.
Why are you repeating the same nonsense you posted in the other thread? Wasn't one iteration of this horseshit enough for one day?
I compliment Reason for getting it right and you still complain.
I
compliment Reason for getting it rightpost the same strawman for the eleventy-billionth time and you still complain.This is an accurate fix.
Maybe sarcasmic AND Treason.com should BOTH offer their sincerest, grovelling apologies for NOT having pointed out the following TROOFS: If the Demon-Craps had NOT stolen Trump's erection, interest rates would now be NEGATIVE, inflation would be ZERO, and we'd have conquered the bad smells by now, and we would be colonizing Uranus!
If Trump had managed to steal, er, win the election, there'd be a unicorn in every pot and 2 EVs in every garage.
If Trump was in the Oval Office, there wouldn't be a single EV in 99% of garages, because 99% of people DON'T WANT them.
If'n Trump twas in EVERYONE'S orifice, forcefully, ass He wants SOOO desperately to be, we would ALL be desperately lusting for "equal, fair, equitable access" to Spermy Daniels (Our Queen, Who Art Drenched in Vaseline)... And Dear Leader would be (and is!) DENYING access to the same! 'Cause HE is Dear Leader, The One Only!!! Thou Shalt SNOT have ANY Dear Leader, Before The One And Only, Because HE is a JEALOUS Government Almighty!!!
A gray box appeared below you. It’s probably a bunch of gibbering nonsense.
Dude, it's been made abundantly clear that Trump is not responsible for any COVID spending and associated inflation, and anyone who says otherwise never took a civics class.
Whereas Biden is responsible for every bill that he signed and all of their consequences, and anyone who says otherwise has TDS.
I'm agreeing with you guys.
Eleventy billion and one.
Defends his strawman with a strawman. Nice.
Didn't he claim at one point that he shows off his posts here to his coworkers, and they leave impressed? Or was that Laursen or someone else? I wonder if this is one to show off.
No. That was sarc. His coworkers find him hilarious, always laughing at his posts, but none of them post. Also he has his coworkers read his posts and they say how smart and correct he is. Again. None of them post here.
Kind of the embodiment of the joke John Stewart made regarding media having videos of how amazing Biden is off camera.
By coworkers, does he mean his fellow hobos?
He probably suffers from alcoholic delusions. Possibly schizophrenia.
You girls are so cute when you talk about me.
Drunky, just go away. You’re a dimwittted alcoholic leftist with a shrinking brain. You’re also a shitweasel, and a pussy.
One iteration?
Whereas Biden is totally responsible for everything that passes across his desk.
Biden has been actively working for irresponsible spending and government handouts his entire half century career. He has been violating the Constitution and SCOTUS rulings in order to spend more money. He has been creating trillions in dollars of future government obligations without congressional approval.
Trump has done none of those things.
Yeah the headline is a hilariously detached LOL.
He’s the most popular President ever! Why aren’t more voters impressed with his economy? Must be consumer confidence in their local supermarkets, gas stations, and hardware stores!
The fact that we shut the economy down, tried to forcibly vaccinate everyone, and demonstratively not just lied but extorted some 90+% of mass media to effect a cover up and, rather than relinquishing power, granted ourselves amnesty, forgave student loans, fucked up the border, fucked up the withdrawal from one war and got irrevocably fiscally entangled in another, and fired up the lawfare machine to deal with political dissidents has got nothing to do with consumer confidence.
I mean sure, firearms, firearms supplies, firearms accessories, and firearms-related news and entertainment have been well above 20-yr. norms if not record highs for 4-straight years, but that’s just got to be a coincidence.
other than and demonstratively not just lied but extorted some 90+% of mass media to effect a cover up i approve your post
The media didnt have to be extorted.. they were willing propogandists - totally complicit for their team
Other than the first 2 paragraphs, your post is entirely truthful.
We should also not notice that almost all of the "job growth" under Biden has NOT gone to native-born Americans but almost all to "immigrants", many illegal.
Interest rates are what is moderating the democrat created inflation problem. The current inflation rate is still over double what it was when Trump was Pres. The inflation pain is far worse in some critical areas. You fail to mention that wages have not come close to catching up to the 18% three year democrat created, inflation dumpster fire. The overall wage picture presents a distorted view. Unions have negotiated large wage increases. But, Democrat policies have crushed retirees on fixed income, small shop owners and others.
"why people are unhappy about a seemingly strong economy"
Stuff costs more.
Also many people haven't forgotten the sting of 2022.
#Bidenomics
Also, interest rates are not zero.
Also also, some people can't get the job they dream about that barely intrudes on their personal life while paying more than they need to fund the lifestyle they want in the place they desire.
And inflation is not “falling”.
When inflation falls from 9% to 3.5%, it's really rising. Anyone who disagrees can't do math.
It’s bad, but not as bad as it was, and the government isn’t cutting spending to make it better, so that’s good.
As long as the rate is in positive territory, inflation is still rising, just not as quickly as before. It's like the water in a room you're trapped in, instead of rising at 9 inches an hour, it's now rising at 3.5 inches per hour, but sooner or later you're still going to drown as it's still rising.
Terrible analogy.
Inflation means that money that isn’t making money is losing value.
I never saw you complain when the Fed held its 2% target for a decade or two. That was still in positive territory.
The rate was in positive territory from 2017 through 2020 also.
OK, Mr. Ed, look through your road apples and tell us what the rate was.
Yeah, barely. And all the things that are excluded from inflation calculations (such as food and inflation) absolutely skyrocketed. But a leftist scumbag like you doesn’t care how much misery you inflict on the American people.
"When inflation falls from 9% to 3.5%, it’s really rising. Anyone who disagrees can’t do math."
Congrats. You'll have a lucrative career in creating the US Federal budget.
"Sure, it's going up....but since it is going up by less than usual, it is REALLY a cut"
Inflation is like speed
Inflation rate is like acceleration.
Until the inflation rate goes negative the value of your money is still declining.
And nobody is getting raises remotely commensurate with inflation.
What about Uncle Sam?
Inflation is like backwards compound interest.
Everybody but you is getting raises commensurate with or exceeding inflation. You're just not valued by your employer.
Everybody but you is getting raises commensurate with or exceeding inflation.
So we now know you both live in California and work at McDonald's. Anything else you'd like to tell us before your shift begins, fuckstick?
Nope. Wages have gone 10%, while prices are up 20%. American households are further behind, and propped up by record borrowing.
Seriously, fuck you and your democrat propaganda. You’re a goddamned villain.
"Unemployment is low and inflation is falling, but consumer sentiment remains depressed,"
Labor participation is low, and stuff (all stuff) costs more because falling inflation is NOT low inflation.
What's NOT depressing about the democrat policies?
You would think Reasons economic writer would look into some of these claims, like the low unemployment. Even a cursory glance will show the growing delta between corporate reports and household reports for unemployment. Or the many economists who note citizen employment is down with all "new" jobs the last few years going to immigrants.
Or just, you know, talk to people. Everybody is talking about layoffs and difficulties in finding new jobs.
and stuff (all stuff) costs more because falling inflation is NOT low inflation.
Inflation is the rate at which prices increase. So prices are going to increase as long as it's not negative. The Fed's target is 2%, and they held that for a long time. Recently it went as high as 9%, but is now down to 3.5%. That's low compared to 9% in 2022, compared to 14% in 1980, or compared to 211% in Argentina.
"Inflation is the rate at which prices increase."
Per Ludwig von Mises:
"To avoid being blamed for the nefarious consequences of inflation, the government and its henchmen resort to a semantic trick. They try to change the meaning of the terms. They call “inflation” the inevitable consequence of inflation, namely, the rise in prices. They are anxious to relegate into oblivion the fact that this rise is produced by an increase in the amount of money and money substitutes. They never mention this increase. They put the responsibility for the rising cost of living on business."
Quoting Mises? What the Hell do you think this publication is?
I've been trying to figure that out for some time.
Teen Vox
That doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said.
The effect of inflation is higher prices. The cause is the relationship between the supply of money and the supply of stuff it can buy.
Inflation is literally "inflation of the money supply". Nothing else.
Labor force participation in Jan 2020 was 63.3%. That was the highest rate while Trump was president. In Jan 2024 under Biden, it was 62.5%, which is 0.8% lower than Trump's peak. In April 2020 it was 60.1%, which was 2.4% lower than Biden. Interestingly, for the last 10 months of Trump, the average rate was 61.3%, which is 1.2% lower than the current rate.
Month % Rate
2017-01-01 62.8
2017-02-01 62.9
2017-03-01 62.9
2017-04-01 63.0
2017-05-01 62.8
2017-06-01 62.8
2017-07-01 62.9
2017-08-01 62.9
2017-09-01 63.1
2017-10-01 62.7
2017-11-01 62.7
2017-12-01 62.7
2018-01-01 62.7
2018-02-01 63.0
2018-03-01 62.9
2018-04-01 62.9
2018-05-01 62.9
2018-06-01 63.0
2018-07-01 63.0
2018-08-01 62.6
2018-09-01 62.8
2018-10-01 62.9
2018-11-01 62.9
2018-12-01 63.0
2019-01-01 63.1
2019-02-01 63.1
2019-03-01 63.0
2019-04-01 62.8
2019-05-01 62.9
2019-06-01 63.0
2019-07-01 63.1
2019-08-01 63.1
2019-09-01 63.2
2019-10-01 63.3
2019-11-01 63.3
2019-12-01 63.3
2020-01-01 63.3
2020-02-01 63.3
2020-03-01 62.6
2020-04-01 60.1
2020-05-01 60.8
2020-06-01 61.5
2020-07-01 61.5
2020-08-01 61.7
2020-09-01 61.5
2020-10-01 61.7
2020-11-01 61.5
2020-12-01 61.5
2021-01-01 61.3
You kind of need to throw away the 2020 data and at least half of 2021 due to the COVID created layoffs and store closures. Neither Trump not Biden created COVID of course but normalcy didn’t really return until late 2021.
Interestingly, for the last 10 months of Trump, the average rate was 61.3%.
What is in fact interesting is what you deliberately ignored regarding those last ten months, you disingenuous prick.
Kudos -- I'm glad somebody else in the universe realizes that *unemployment* is not a good measure of employment health. There's too much trickery in the denominator where the government stops counting anyone ineligible for or no longer receiving unemployment insurance payouts.
@Editor: Please tell your econ authors to mention labor participation rate whenever writing about the economy or critiquing economists.
Turns out, when the government subsidizes college,infrastructure, utilities, maintenance, food and housing for a percentage of the population (based on median income, intersectional victim status) the prices for all of those things keep going up. No end in sight.
#subsidizeverything
Maybe because the economy isn't strong? Less buying power. Cooked unemployment numbers. GDP growth heavily dependent on government spending.
That mention of cooked unemployment figures makes me laugh. Years ago, when I first heard of the labor participation rate, I was astounded to find I was astounded that government lied by omission about something so simple and obvious. When I found that government was only counting jobs, not full time equivalent or whatever the proper name is, I was again astounded to realize that government would lie about something so fundamental.
The duplicity in government is exceeded only by my naive belief that even government burrocrats must have some lies they will not tell.
Even worse now. Last year unemployment was revised down by 2M for each jobs report once the actual data came in over the year.
Yup, they've taken to flat out lying, but let's all pretend their numbers are real everyone.
Maybe because the economy isn’t strong? Less buying power. Cooked unemployment numbers. GDP growth heavily dependent on government spending.
And, again, why would Reason lie, or indulge in the delusion about such a thing except to reluctantly and strategically support the people running it?
Relictantly voting for dems led to bad things, so now he enthusiastically supports the false numbers of his decisions.
And it’s being propped up by massive government grants and subsidies. Not private capital investment. Further exacerbating inflation.
False. Government spending as a percentage of GDP has fallen each year Biden has been president. Source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYONGDA188S
False. Unemployment is calculated exactly the same under Biden as it was under Trump. In fact, it hasn't changed since 1994.
And just to forestall your next goalpost move, no, the number of people holding multiple jobs now is lower than the peak under Trump. Source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS12026620
You're not convincing anybody, shill. Suck Biden's dick somewhere else.
what this article describes is part of the picture, but it misses a whole lot more. interest rates are not the only thing making things feel worse than the oversimplified indicators say.
first, there is the fact that reported inflation numbers are lower than reality. when idiot politicians start talking about shrinkflation they caused, they are talking about something that actively hides the impact of inflation from the numbers.
second is that the wage growth is mostly happening for lower income jobs. these are jobs that had the artificial floor of minimum wage for decades that the market is starting to lift higher. (driving some of that inflation, especially in service industries.) your middle class isn't getting that same boost and is feeling big bump in little luxuries like eating out more.
third, and probably the biggest thing for this article to miss.... if the interest rates are having a meaningful impact on anyone but first time home-buyers, it means there were already a whole lot of people living at the edge of their means. the cost of credit only matters to those who are not able to use cash for everything. if the cost of credit has a big impact on consumer sentiment, it means too many consumers are using credit more than they should to begin with.
Traditional economic measures Biden is killing Fatass Donnie with like GDP, UE, earnings, record high energy production, home ownership, record high stock markets don't matter anymore.
What matters is the Cheesy-Poof Price Index* and it shows PAIN.
* components:
Spittin' tobacky
Mountain Dew
Souse meat
NASCAR tickets
Oxycodone
Frito-Lay products
Awwwwwwwwww so sorry your guy isn't getting the credit he deserves. 🙁
Only 24% of Democrats say they are better off financially under Biden, poll says
Quit posting Jeffy's shopping list.
Needs more Ho Hos and he's allergic to NASCAR.
And don’t forget the industrial sized drums of Ben & Jerry’s, to wash down those Ho-Ho’s and replenish his energy after chasing prepubescent children.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Do I even want to know what "Souse meat" is?
Apparently it’s a dish.
https://thefoodxp.com/souse-meat-recipe/
Pluggo probably heard of the name somewhere and decided to use it, and he probably has no idea what it is.
A way of using inferior pieces of meat, same idea as bologna, head cheese, hot dogs, scrapple etc.
Buttplug's from Georgia.
I'm sure it's the interest rates and has nothing to do with how the "strong" economy isn't strong at all.
Commies, including commiecrats like Boehm, sure love their Potemkin villages.
Sucks that we have to deal with the reality.
The sticker shock of higher prices at the grocery store might have waned...
I'm a single guy with a good job in a relatively cheap area, and I still haven't gotten over the prices at the grocery store.
I shop to feed a family of five and even with substantial changes to our diet we are still spending insane amounts of money.
Obviously neither of you have followed plugs instructions to buy everything in bulk.
/sarcasm
Taylor Ruuuuuuuule
"A new economic paper explains why interest rates are the missing piece to understanding why people are unhappy about a seemingly strong economy."
Much simpler:
The "seemingly strong economy" ain't keeping up with droolin' Joe's inflation. You're not confused; your money isn't worth what it was when Trump held office.
And if you voted for the POtuS currently there, YOU own it. So shuddap and siddown.
>>"Unemployment is low and inflation is falling, but consumer sentiment remains depressed,"
there are two lies in this phrase.
Due to grade inflation, 33 1/3 is now considered a "B".
Course passed.
No, it's mostly food inflation is still high. Maybe not 8% or 20% high, but it's still high.
Gasoline, General; don't forget gasoline.
Up even now over a dollar a gallon since the drooling one began his rule.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=w
My credit card rate went to 20% - this is with 800+ rating. Not just food - insurance has gone up a lot, repairs, everything
The cost of borrowing money, they explain, "is not currently included in traditional price indexes, indicating a disconnect between the measures favored by economists and the effective costs borne by consumers."
There is a whole shit ton of stuff that is either not included in price indices or completely distorted to the point of lying so they can be included in price indices. Housing, food, energy, taxes, cost of borrowing anything that requires borrowing to buy, saving for retirement, etc.
There is only one possible reason we Americans are discomfited at what are now, for the first time in decades, reasonably normal costs of borrowing. It's the same reason a junkie doesn't like the cold turkey of withdrawal.
It might cause some Americans to put off a planned purchase of a new car in the hopes that rates will fall—I've done that—or feel like such a purchase is unaffordable.
And THIS is the real point where inflation has become embedded. Inflation is caused by the creation of 'unproductive' debt. Increased money that does not lead to increased production of stuff in future so no possibility of more money chasing more goods in future. Debt has been getting increasingly unproductive since WW2. A long-term trend broken by occasional cyclical 'restores' until the late 90's and early 00's. Since then - completely broken, no growth without an increase in debt - which leads not to growth but to ASSET inflation.
And that is now embedded in company (and asset owner) behavior. They are waiting for the Fed to 'surrender' and start subsidizing credit again. Instead of LOWERING PRICES.
There are major sectors of the economy that have been distorted to all hell by this unproductive debt game. From student loans to Medicare/health to housing to cars/durables. But those have now become 'too important to be subject to a free market pricing system'. So no price reductions there.
It's almost like the lies aren't working this time...
It's easy to tell people how good they have it, it's another to convice them that's the case when they are making more than ever and going deeper in debt every month to maintain their previously comfortable standards of living.
Inflation is our friend!
We just have to face the fact that there is simply no way to fight inflation in a capitally-intensive, highly-technological, conflict-riddled, anything-for-a-thrill world of today. That’s why, tonight, I want you to try to look at inflation in an entirely new way: Inflation is our friend.
For example, consider this: in the year 2000, if current trends continue, the average blue-collar annual wage in this country will be $568,000.
Think what this inflated world of the future will mean – most Americans will be millionaires. Everyone will feel like a bigshot. Wouldn’t you like to own a $4,000 suit, and smoke a $75 cigar, drive a $600,000 car? I know I would!
But what about people on fixed incomes? They have always been the true victims of inflation. That’s why I will present to Congress the ‘Inflation Maintenance Program’, whereby the U.S. Treasury will make up any inflation-caused losses to direct tax rebates to the public in cash.
Then you may say, ‘Won’t that cost a lot of money? Won’t that increase the deficit?’ Sure it will! But so what? We’ll just print more money! We have the papers, we have the mints. I can just call up the Bureau of Engraving and say, ‘Hi! This is Jimmy. Roll out some of them twenties! Print up a couple thousand sheets of those Century Notes!’
Sure, all these dollars will cause even more inflation, but who cares? Everyone will be a millionaire!
LOL, and you thought the commentariat here was joking about the “Build back better” plan to tax only those making over 400k. If median wage is 400k then there is no end to the hordes of central planning economists saving the world!!
People are running out of money quickly. The cost of living has gone up much higher than inflation, and things are starting to crack. For the vast majority, the CPI doesn't capture where they actually spend their money. The cost of housing has effectively doubled, and gas/groceries are up huge clips. Those are where almost all of the money of the bottom 2/3 go. It really doesn't matter to most people that an ipad or tv are stable in price because very little of their money actually gets spent on that stuff.
Inflation slowed. Yeah! Economist do realize it's compounded right? So it's still a large increase value wise. You know %10 increase on 10 dollars is a 1. Than you take another 4% the next year and it's .44 cents. So in 2 years you are paying 1.44 more.
Plus employment is low! Yeah! Oh wait, hours worked are dropping. Most are part-time jobs so people have two jobs.
If energy didn't stay cheap, which will come to an end, it will be a world of hurt. But who do we believe our eyes/wallets or Biden
Just anecdotes, but I remember interest rates being this high in my youth, and I also remember my parents getting comparably high interest on their money. As I'm nearing retirement cost of borrowing has little impact on me, but I'd sure like to get double digits, or even single digits, from my money in the bank.
When the high inflation numbers came out, the CEO of my Fortune 10 employer said he didn't have to increase wages to match consumer cost inflation, he only had to match industry wage inflation to keep us, and for the last three years the average annual increase has been about 1.5%.
Anyone who has been to a grocery store, a restaurant, or a home improvement store can tell you that stuff is costing significantly more; as much as 50% more. Yeah, inflation is hitting us f’n hard no matter what some dipshit’s model aspires to dissemble.
And FJB, by the way. As if the senile stupid son of a bitch has sny clue.
In the last 8 months, wage gains have outpaced inflation...so that's not the issue: the issue is that all the new wealth is going to the already fabulously wealthy.
8 months of wage gains does not make up for the previous 2.5 years of faster inflation and stagnant wages.
Nobody is going to think Inflation is hunky dory until you can buy the same amount of stuff for an hour's wage as you could in 2019.
Markets being regulated/deep pocket climate lawsuited out of existence; rail transport and energy. Non membership grocery with the Kroger/Albertsons takedown.
This is gonna get a lot uglier than inflation. The Dems really do want the means of production:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstocks/warren-buffett-blasts-government-regulations-in-annual-letter/ar-BB1iYczJ
This article made sense untilElon Musk: His wealth increased from $25 billion to $255 billion in 2022.
Jeff Bezos: His wealth increased from $113 billion to $150 billion in 2022.
Bill Gates: His wealth increased from $98 billion to $129.8 billion in 2022.
Sergei Brin and Larry Page: Their combined wealth increased from $100 billion to $237 billion in 2022.
The ONLY people who think the economy is fine are the ownership class and the wealthy. People who already own houses, and stocks and 401ks.
The rest of the people realize wages are nowhere near high enough to keep up with the past 3 years of inflation, and are barely getting by.
Its just that economists and journalists (it is an occupation pursued mostly by kids of upper middle class or wealthier families) tend to be in the class of people that are doing fine.
People who already own stocks and 401ks are feeling it. I'm living off my IRA (converted from 401k, same mix of funds) and inflation hurts me just like everyone else. Conventional wisdom is to increase withdrawal by the rate of inflation. However, my IRA lost considerable value after Biden took office making increased withdrawals unwise. I don't want to use up my principal too fast. Since we busted our asses to own a home outright, at least we don't have that.
60% of Americans have a home mortgage, is that the ownership class? Or is that just “America.” Or is it the 34% that have paid off their mortgage?
“People who already own houses, and stocks and 401ks.”
This definition would include a Burger King manager with a condo mortgage, or a Walmart manager mobile home mortgage. Are you now redefining these people as “wealthy?” Or in the same class as the “wealthy?”
Who are the rich? Anyone who makes a dollar more than you?
Leftists define “Rich” as anyone who owns anything. also known as Kulak in the ongoing war to turn the U.S. into the old Soviet Union. Keep up with your Jacobin media and state sponsored propaganda channels comrades.
Yes if you already had a mortgage at 2.75% and locked in payments in 2019 dollars, then by definition Inflation did not affect your Mortgage payment. Doesn't matter if you worked at McDonalds or an Investment firm, you owned an asset that appreciated rapidly in dollar value (due to inflation) while your monthly expenses for that asset did not.
People who owned properties and investments were not hit nearly as hard by inflation as the rental class who owns nothing that could go up in value or remain at a fixed price for 30 years.
Of course the economists on TV earn most of their money by investments and ownership, as everyone knows a salary only gets you so far in wealth.
I am neither a leftist, nor poor, I just recognize that an inflationary period is especially brutal to the lower middle class and poorer.
Babylon Bee hit it on the head with the headline: Biden to spend $2 Trillion to Discover the Source of Inflation.
It's becoming increasing hard to separate conspiracy from incompetence, there's so much of it. And, at a certain point, who cares? The results are the same.
Biden just needs to start mailing out the checks ASAP, then it will be all good!
My daughter and her spouse have an income of 175,000 dollars shes a first year doctor. They live in one of the boroughs of NYC . Between rent car student loan etc there not much left at the end of the months . That’s not a vibe . I own a home the cost of doing anything is astronomical. Insurance taxes energy . I don’t believe any of the static's the government puts out . It’s amazing how out of touch the people who run things are with the average person .
I worked for 47 years, until 67, and my pension since 2009 has remained the same $ amount but buys about 30%. I am dipping into my savings to live. Inflation is an evil that wouldn’t exist if not for govt. conspiracy with the international banking cartel, see: “The Creature from Jekel Island”, for the details of the conspiracy that was planned. I am blameless in this matter. I don’t self-enslave by forfeiting my sovereignty, e.g., voting to be ruled by force. Therefore, I can complain, unlike the voters who empower the criminals.
The job market is in the toilet right now. Each time I bother submitting an application to what's probably just a "ghost job" anyway, there are (according to LinkedIn or other job board) 500+ other applications. I rarely even get a rejection back.
And then a month or two later, I see many of the same job descriptions from the same companies being reposted... again and again all year long. They're getting 500+ applications each time and are still posting the job? That's what ghosting means -- churning resumes for job descriptions that aren't actually open. It makes finding an actual job nearly impossible.