Don't Let Crime Fears Undermine Americans' Rights
Amid fear of rising crime, let's take a careful and deliberate approach—lest innocent people lose their rights and property.

Whenever the nation faces a safety threat—e.g., a high-profile shooting, a wave of smash-and-grab robberies or an act of terrorism—the public clamors for action, and politicians and police agencies respond with proposals to increase their power.
The new laws, however, always have disturbing unintended consequences that stay with us for decades—and they often fail to protect us from the threats that led to their creation.
In a democracy, criminal justice policy is understandably driven by public perceptions. After violent crime rates soared in the late 1980s and early 1990s, California voters in 1994 overwhelmingly approved the nation's toughest three-strikes-and-you're-out law. Myriad factors contribute to crime fluctuations. And policy often lags the data given the time it can take to pass laws or initiatives—thus making it tough to see what works even in hindsight.
In 2005, the Legislative Analyst's Office analyzed crime statistics and found crime began falling precipitously before "three strikes" went into effect—and tracked national trends. In recent years, legislators and voters reacted to soaring incarceration rates. Just as fear of crime led to tougher laws, stories of resulting injustices (a man whose third strike was stealing pizza) and police abuses led to a flurry of criminal justice reforms.
Now that crime rates have moved upward—and fear of it at the highest level in years—policymakers are headed back in that 1990s direction. This is true even in our state's most progressive cities. For instance, San Francisco Mayor London Breed introduced a new police-union-backed measure for the March ballot that would make it easier for police to use surveillance and reduce their requirements to document when they use force on suspects.
It's enough to make one's head spin. Sadly, crime policy is not driven by policy wonks who carefully analyze the data and try to strike the right balance between public safety and individual rights. It's driven by progressive ideologues (check out the goings-on in the Assembly Public Safety Committee if you don't believe me) on one side and powerful interest groups (police agencies and unions) on the other. Lawmakers react to those groups and public sentiment.
I am concerned about the crime wave. I'm also concerned about over-incarceration and over-policing. I also am skeptical that our governments—which seem incapable of doing anything competently, justly, and cost-effectively—can strike the right balance. I offer no easy solution or specific policy prescription, but I do offer a warning: Be careful what new laws we pass. They can take decades to undo—and can obliterate our rights in the process.
This column is prompted by a report in Reason magazine about Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt's recent remarks in his State of the State address calling for reform of civil asset-forfeiture laws: "It's crazy to me that somebody can be pulled over and have their cash and truck taken for an alleged crime, get acquitted of that crime, but they still never get their property back." There are plenty of news stories over the years of outrageous police takings.
California has better asset-forfeiture protections than Oklahoma, but they still aren't very good— – and California police agencies work around our state's limitations by partnering with a federal agency. The feds operate under much looser standards. We've seen a variety of abuses in California in recent years, whereby law enforcement misuse forfeiture laws concocted to stop drug cartels to take innocent people's life savings and pad police budgets.
We've fortunately seen pushback by the courts. The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in January overturned a lower court decision siding with the FBI, after it tried to take $85 million in assets from safe deposit boxes following a Beverly Hills raid on a company that rented them. The Drug Enforcement Agency claimed the company's boxes facilitated money laundering, so they plotted to take and sell the contents from everyone's boxes—even though the vaults are also used by law-abiding citizens for legitimate reasons.
That's an obvious constitutional violation. It's as if the government decided there's drug dealing going on somewhere in my neighborhood. Instead of proving criminal activity by individuals, they just rounded up everybody's stuff. Police agencies have a strong incentive to use these laws because they generally keep the ill-gotten bounty. Police aren't supposed to use that money to supplant their budgets, anyway.
For a refresher, asset forfeiture was concocted during the Reagan-era anti-drug panic. As two former heads of the US. Justice Department's asset-forfeiture program wrote in a 2014 Washington Post column, it "was conceived as a way to cut into the profit motive that fueled rampant drug trafficking" but "has turned into an evil itself, with the corruption it engendered among government and law enforcement coming to clearly outweigh any benefits."
I understand the latest fear of crime, but let's take a careful and deliberate approach—lest innocent people lose their rights and property in the process.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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Do only crimes that are investigated by the police count under the "crime" statistics? Because if not, that's an easy way to make crime rates go down.
One way crime rates fall is when it becomes obvious that the legal system won't do anything beyond take a report many people simply stop reporting certain crimes. Broken windows, stolen bicycles, bbqs, tools etcetera, drug deals in front of homes or businesses and stuff like that stop being reported except for insurance purposes or other required reasons. Because why waste the time reporting when nothing will be done about it? So all these minor crimes stop being counted and voila the crime rate drops and the local politicians claim success in dealing with the problem. Of course another way is simply to redefine what is a crime ( such as basically making it legal to steal less than $950 worth of merchandise in California r a Reason favorite just legalize crossing the border illegally and illegal immigration is no longer a problem).
And they keep trying to do that to more crimes. VA Democrats are trying to help murderers and rapists out of prison faster.
Rioting for the correct cause also is essentially decriminalized in blue areas.
The Left seems fond of
First, causing a crisis
Next, denying it is a crisis
Then make the crisis worse
Finally, declare it is a crisis NOW and we must take extreme action now.
The extreme action always involved ceding more power to the government (because, even though the government CAUSED the problem, they are also, apparently, the only possible fix).
Latest example is the border where the Biden Maladministration claims it can't act until it receives. Tens of billions of dollars and authority it already has and unless Republicans vote for tens of billions of dollars for Ukraine.
Kinda like how it's not civil fraud if it's between friendly parties and nobody says anything, right?
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"$950 worth of merchandise in California" is often cited as proof that California is soft on crime by people hoping to score unearned points. Oddly, the people citing that figure never mention that it's $2,500 in Texas and $2,000 in South Carolina.
Felony Theft Amount by State 2024
The majority of states have a felony theft threshold between $1,000 and 1,500. In twenty-two states, you will be charged with a felony if you steal more than $1,000 in goods. In Massachusetts and Nevada, the threshold is $1,200. Ten more states, Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Rhode Island, and Utah, set their threshold at $1,500.
Additionally, ten states have a threshold below $1,000. New Jersey has the lowest threshold in the country at $200. Illinois ($500), New Mexico ($500), Florida($750), Hawaii ($750), Indiana ($750), Missouri ($750), Washington ($750), Vermont ($900), and California ($950) are also states where someone will be charged with a felony for a very small amount of theft value.
The five remaining states have relatively higher thresholds for felony charges. Colorado, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and South Carolina all have a theft threshold of $2,000. The highest threshold, $2,500, is found in Texas and Wisconsin.
Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-theft-amount-by-state
Whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony isn't the point.
The point is that it IS NOT PROSECUTED, if you take less than $950 in shit in San Francisco. Misdemeanors can be prosecuted and cause a year in jail, you know.
And how often do jurisdictions such as San Francisco prosecute those misdemeanor charges? Rather rarely
https://growsf.org/blog/prop-47/#:~:text=In%20San%20Francisco%2C%20police%20cannot,than%20%241%2C000%20and%20let%20go.
Especially since police weren't allowed to arrest the shoplifters and are basically limited to issuing citations. So in other words while other jurisdictions may have higher limits before it becomes a felony most of those jurisdictions ( especially red districts) still prosecute and punish theft for the lesser amounts. California may prosecute at a mere $951 but under that amount theft has been made basically legal.
Lol. Ya, Gavin told us that, Ed. It was just as retarded then.
Keep slurpin’ him though, if you like. Ewww.
Exactly as others have pointed out - it depends if it's prosecuted. In CA, NY and others you can get away with it.
In other states, it at least goes to court and is on your record.
In Texas, you have a 50/50 percent chance of winding up dead.
But hey Edg, you defend them democrat policies. The same ones that now tell people to work from home because the office is too dangerous to come in too,
Edg, guess Target and Walgreens in San Fran and NYC just decided to put items behind locked plastic because it looks cool!
What isn't that all across the US?
To heck with repealing moronic laws making twigs and seeds or birth control a "crime". Palito would never hear of THAT!
"The new laws, however, always have disturbing unintended consequences"
No, grasshopper, the consequences are intended.
Yes, lawmakers are less likely to pay attention to empirical evidence than progressive ideologues, special interest groups and public sentiment – and even less likely to pleas for rationality in Reason. Any communication with a lawmaker that includes such evidence is counted no more than a simple righteous opinion. Government overreaches in most action as most government action are reactions.
Libertarian spoiler votes have repealed more evil laws than anything in the past half-century. Getting tossed on their butts by voter preference is something the dumbest looter understands.
The YUUUUGEST crime wave of ALL is the hordes of illegal alien zombies swarming across our borders!!!
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-praises-dictators-rails-immigrants-sparking-backlash/story?id=105725220#:~:text=The%20former%20president%2C%20again%2C%20praised,attack%20of%20Biden%20on%20him.
Trump, again, praises dictators and rails against immigrants — again sparking backlash
A Strong-Man DICKtatorShit is the ONLY thing now, any more, that can PROTECT us from the HORDES of invading illegal sub-humans who will otherwise poison our blood, and then torture, kill, and drink the blood of ALL of our innocent babies!!! MAN THE BARRICADES!!! TRUMPLE UNDERFOOT, THE ZOMBIE INVASION!!!
I'm sure one of The Trump Faithful will be along shortly to say what he really meant.
Progressives remind us that Latin illegal immigrants have a low crime rate, forget to mention that the rising Asian illegal immigrant population has an even lower crime rate, and accuse those mentioning the high Black crime rate of being White Supremacists.
Illegal immigrants have a 100% crime rate. By definition their crossing the border is an illegal act ( thus why they are called illegal immigrants).
Of course you probably mean to claim except for the laws they violate as part of their illegal entry into the USA but even there I don't believe that is really true because too many jurisdictions refuse to determine the legal status of criminals ( Oregon law enforcement officers at all levels are forbidden by state law from trying to determine the legal status of any criminal they catch) and thus many crimes committed by illegal aliens is actually credited to American citizens.
"_____(fill in the blank)____ have a 100% crime rate."
Just pass some new, or at least ENFORCE existing, laws against being illegal sub-humans, trannies, accused “groomers”, abortionists, gays, heathens, infidels, vaxxers, mask-wearers, atheists, dirty hippies, Jews, witches, or, the very WORST of them all, being one of those accused of STEALING THE ERECTIONS OF OUR DEAR LEADER, right, right-wing wrong-nuts? ANY methods are OK, so long as they are used against the CORRECT enemies, am I right? TWATEVER THE MOIST SACRED LAWS SAY, is twat is good, right, true, and JUST, damn-shit!!!! Dear Leader TOLD us so!!!!
Crossing the border in not always an illegal act.
But, yes, if they cross illegally, they are "illegal immigrants". So, thanks for clearing that up!
lest innocent people lose their rights and property.
Do the victims of criminals assaulted and robbed lose rights and property? Because in many dem run districts criminals are free to subvert the rights. San Francisco has a well know level for which a shoplifter is actually jailed, so there is widespread robbery below that level, leading to increased costs.
There is a balance. And in many areas the criminals are free to subvert the rights and property of others.
And I will add. In many of the light on crime dissects the one area they are not light on is charging those who attempt to protect themselves or others. People like Daniel Penny.
Prosecuting those protecting their property or themselves while not prosecuting those who take from others is anarchoterrorism.
Arguing for self defense and property defense rights would get you less of the police tactics. But that is not what that article says.
What does that have to do with asset-forfeiture?
I swear you are retarded on purpose.
The article isn’t solely about asset forfeiture retard. Greenhut uses that as an example of a bad law from response to rise in crime.
I am concerned about the crime wave. I'm also concerned about over-incarceration and over-policing. I also am skeptical that our governments—which seem incapable of doing anything competently, justly, and cost-effectively—can strike the right balance. I offer no easy solution or specific policy prescription, but I do offer a warning: Be careful what new laws we pass. They can take decades to undo—and can obliterate our rights in the process.
My 2nd grader has better reading comprehension than you do.
FTA:
This column is prompted by a report in Reason magazine about Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt's recent remarks in his State of the State address calling for reform of civil asset-forfeiture laws
"Prompted by", and "only about" or even "centered upon" are entirely different things dipstick.
Felony Theft Amount by State 2024
The majority of states have a felony theft threshold between $1,000 and 1,500. In twenty-two states, you will be charged with a felony if you steal more than $1,000 in goods. In Massachusetts and Nevada, the threshold is $1,200. Ten more states, Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Rhode Island, and Utah, set their threshold at $1,500.
Additionally, ten states have a threshold below $1,000. New Jersey has the lowest threshold in the country at $200. Illinois ($500), New Mexico ($500), Florida($750), Hawaii ($750), Indiana ($750), Missouri ($750), Washington ($750), Vermont ($900), and California ($950) are also states where someone will be charged with a felony for a very small amount of theft value.
The five remaining states have relatively higher thresholds for felony charges. Colorado, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and South Carolina all have a theft threshold of $2,000. The highest threshold, $2,500, is found in Texas and Wisconsin.
Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-theft-amount-by-state
Just going to keep copy pasting the same irrelevant shite?
He is also ignoring the fact that most of the other jurisdictions still prosecute theft even at the misdemeanor amounts while California makes it almost impossible to do so.
Come on Jesse, we all know that the criminals are the vicitms. The property owners are put of the white supremist alien patriarchy something something. It's our fault for owning stuff that they don't have. AOC told us they need it to buy bread or something
No. “For a refresher,” asset forfeiture dates back to before the Founding. However, it was in a much different form then.
Asset forfeiture solves the problem of abandoned contraband. Consider the smuggler’s boat left adrift when the owners slip into the water to escape being caught. You can’t just leave the boat as a shipping hazard but the owners are never going to come forward because doing so would be an admission to the crime of smuggling. For a more modern example, consider the block of heroin dropped in the middle of the street during an interrupted drug deal. The police need some legal basis to confiscate and destroy the contraband when the owner is unknown and unknowable.
That form of civil asset forfeiture was and still is needed. The current perversion of it (where the owner is known but the police don’t want to be bothered with charging him/her) needs to be ripped out by its roots.
Good job Rossami!!! (Your prize is a salami, Rossami, BoBAmi!)
Over 30 years ago Reason had an excellent article on the origin of these in rem proceedings: the ancient doctrine of deodand, by which an instrument of even accidental harm can be judged guilty and becomes "God's thing", given the sovereign to dispose of. So for instance a child unknowingly removes the chock from under the wheel of a truck you're working on, it rolls down the hill and kills someone, and no person is legally at fault but as the vehicle has killed someone it may be forfeited to the sovereign.
So, repeal of violent and coercive prohibition laws can end asset-forfeiture looting and reduce coast guard libels?
Doing a duck duck go on "thefts under $950" all of the legacy media breathlessly report that it's a myth that thefts under $950 are no longer a crime after prop 47 in California. This is true, prop 47 changed them from felonies to misdemeanors. They are still crimes.
What these disingenuous outlets don't report is that the effect is that now that these crimes are misdemeanors, they go uninvestigated by the police and therefore unpunished. Making them de facto legal, and as such these crimes are now committed brazenly in California. From a libertarian perspective, one of the basic actual responsibilities of government is to protect the property rights of its citizens, and California is refusing to do so.
After Lincoln's Proclamation, slavery in "loyal" tariff-upholding States became untenable once Congress quit enforcing the Fugitive Slave Law the Suprema Corte upheld. Billy Sherman observed that once a slave can run away and not be dragged back in come-alongs, slavery was a dead letter. So far, the Trump Court hasn't forced extradition of pregnant women fleeing Texas, so Palito's resurrection of sexual slavery at this time still lacks the backing of another "Dred" dragnet. Once across the border Grand Goblin Greg struggles to make leakproof, abortion fugitives are for the time being, safe.
In Texas, thefts under $2,500 are misdemeanors.
In Texas those misdemeanors are actually prosecuted
"After violent crime rates soared in the late 1980s and early 1990s" Fancy that! Reagan and Nignew went on global rampage to ban all harmless, non-habit-forming and non-toxic drugs developed in Swiss labs and popularized by the Beatles. This required goons with guns kicking in doors and shooting teenagers. How could violence possibly result? So the crime organized by prohibition switches to poppy goo and meth, both of which have no competition. Thank Nixon's Psychotropic convention thugs and the Reagan-Bush anti-drug abuse Prohibitionism on steroids that crashed the economy in 1987 and 2008. Duh!
“The people” have miles to go to reach the crime level of “The government”.
Then again; the people supposedly represents the government so which came first the chicken or the egg?
What, no mention of gun control laws as an example.
Name one living human being on this godforsaken planet who does not deserve to have all their stuff taken arbitrarily by the government. One. Either you can't, or you're lying. Down with liberty. The people don't want it and wouldn't be worthy of it if they did
We don't over-incarcerate. We UNDER incarcerate. We have hundreds of thousands of feral thugs who SHOULD be in prison but aren't.
How do you deduce that?
There's be more room for feral thugs if prisons weren't filled to the gills with sentenced for drug offenses.
What sort of drug offenses are people typically locked up for?
It's an election year, so don't worry about crime as will drop after early November and not likely become an issue again till the 2026 midterms.
Asset forfeiture is grounded in Customs law that dates to (at least) the founding era. It was used in drug cases beginning in the late '70s. The Reagan-era revisions actually made it more difficult to take property, but forfeiture became more prevalent due to the asset-sharing provisions passed at that time.
While I still think it's a valuable tool, I believe the assets should be subject to a criminal indictment (which is already an option) rather than be forfeited civilly, which puts the burden on the owner rather than the government.
The WHOLE DRUG WAR engenders corruption, not just civil asset forfeiture.
"I am concerned about the crime wave. I'm also concerned about over-incarceration and over-policing. I also am skeptical that our governments—which seem incapable of doing anything competently, justly, and cost-effectively—can strike the right balance. "
Sure you are there Steve. Reason loves to point out the cop issues, which overall there are few, but the little crimes are A ok. The little crimes are what people are concerned about - you know stealing from stores, car jackings etc.
But sure stories are closing in Chicago because they are racist and greedy right?