Independents Hate the Trump-Biden Rematch
Donald Trump's winning numbers nonetheless contain hints of future losing; meanwhile, RFK Jr. is polling near 20 percent.

Now that the competitive portion of the major-party presidential primary season is over, with losers Nikki Haley (GOP) and Rep. Dean Phillips (D–Minn.) hanging around essentially as life insurance policies, Americans have 287 long days to let the reality they despise sink in: The two least popular presidents of the modern era, depressingly known quantities both, will stagger into election day at a combined 160 years of age to face an electorate howlingly dissatisfied about the direction of the country.
The sheer length of known-nominee season, unprecedented in American history, will likely play against the candidate who at the moment seems to have the head-to-head advantage: Donald Trump. That's partly because the people most inclined to vote against Trump—Democrats and independents—have been in denial about him winning a third consecutive GOP presidential nomination.
An Economist/YouGov poll taken January 7–9 showed just 45 percent of Democrats and 53 percent of independents believed that Trump would become the Republican nominee. The Biden campaign claimed pre-Iowa caucus that a majority of undecided voters did not grok that Trump would win. "Once you get to that head-to-head," a senior Biden campaign official told CNN, "the dynamics change. The world is different."
Biden needs that hopeful spin to become reality, since up until this point in the 2024 campaign he has persistently lagged Trump among the bloc that decides most presidential races: independents. Trump squeaked out a 43–42 percent victory over Hillary Clinton among independents and third-party voters in November 2016, after which his approval rate from the group stayed mired in the 30s for most of his presidency, culminating in a 52-43 percent loss to Biden in 2020. But within his first six months in the White House, Biden's support among independents crashed from 61 percent to 34 percent, where it has been languishing ever since.
In our two-party system, independents tend to serve as an electoral brake on the excesses of the party or executive in power; incumbents get the focus more than potential general-election challengers. Now that Trump has progressed to near-inevitability, the Biden theory goes, independents will start paying far more attention to the Republican, particularly his potentially opinion-swaying criminal trials.
Some of Tuesday's exit poll numbers coming out of New Hampshire buttress that theory. "We've never seen a gap between the independent vote and the Republican vote in an NH GOP primary like we saw last night," MSNBC numbers whiz Steve Kornacki tweeted Wednesday morning. Trump beat Nikki Haley 74 percent to 25 percent among Republicans, but Haley took independents 60 percent to 38 percent. And among the independent voters who participated in the GOP primary, noted The Wall Street Journal, a whopping 68 percent said they would not for Trump in the general election.
Luckily for Trump, the GOP nomination is decided by electorates that are a good deal more Republican than New Hampshire's. Unluckily for the presumptive nominee, his one-man polarization act is registering numerically even within the party he dominates. Exit polls showed 21 percent of Republican voters in the New Hampshire primary, and 15 percent of GOP Iowa caucus participants, saying they would not vote for Trump in November. Maybe those numbers reflect heat-of-the-moment sentiment, but it's hard to imagine them improving if the candidate is convicted of a January 6, 2021–related crime.
Meanwhile, registered independents, having grown by 46 percent nationwide since 2008, are now nearly as numerous as Republicans, with 35.3 million compared to 35.7 million as of last October. This swing vote, which has been the most revolted by the prospect of a Trump-Biden rematch, will be serially wooed and cajoled over the next 41 weeks.
The candidate best positioned to exploit the growth in both independents and political disillusionment is neither Biden nor Trump, but rather Robert F. Kennedy Jr. In a three-way matchup, according to RealClearPolitics' polling average, RFK stands at a Ross Perot–like 19.3 percent, compared to 37.5 for Trump and 33.8 for Biden.
Most Americans will see at least four names on their presidential ballot, the impact of which is hard to calculate. RFK, who this week got on his second state ballot, is gunning for all 50 states plus the District of Columbia; the Libertarian Party, which has had full ballot access the past few presidential elections, is on at least 36 ballots so far, and will likely get somewhere close to 50. The Green Party has 19 states so far and is making confident-sounding noises about exceeding 2020's 30; No Labels has 15 going on 28, and so on.
RFK, who channels similar anti-establishment and conspiratorial vibes as Trump, would have been a natural beneficiary of Trumpy support should Nikki Haley somehow have won. But if polls are right about potential convictions turning off some Trump voters, they could yet find their way to the independent's camp, joining the hardcore anti-COVID-lockdowners and those who simply prefer the famous name to the two dreary old guys.
The Libertarian Party, which has a three-election presidential streak of third-place finishes and a huge lead in small-party voter registration, is so far in 2024 lagging far behind RFK in name recognition. With the nominating national convention four months off, the leading competitors to date are former House/Senate candidate Chase Oliver, Future of Freedom Foundation President Jacob Hornberger, author and retired academic Michael Rectenwald, economist and ex-cop Mike ter Maat, tech entrepreneur Lars Mapstead, and Ron Paul enthusiast/Libertarian National Committee activist Joshua Smith.
If the past few elections are any guide, voters beginning today (or perhaps when Haley's campaign-coffin is nailed shut in South Carolina on February 24) will be giving themselves crash courses on nontraditional political parties and presidential candidates. The weird, negative political energy in the United States, having failed to significantly alter the major-party race, will now have to look elsewhere for expression.
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Cry more.
Just another bullshit Welch column.
Deport Matt Welch to France.
Wait, do you think that is a bad thing?? Someone likes his cheesy poofs and slurpees.
RFK, who channels similar anti-establishment and conspiratorial vibes as Trump, would have been a natural beneficiary of Trumpy support
Which really says something about MAGA, imco.
Now why would RFK possibly have anything against the government?
I mean, that would be like suggesting they killed MLK!
The people have spoken: more crazy please.
At least crazy is entertaining. We pay far more for government than we do for various streaming services. At the very least we should get good entertainment from the reality show that is government.
To hell with the Trump/Biden rematch.
I want to see the Tyson/Holyfield rematch.
Holyfield would probably take that fight as he needs the money...
Just like Lay's potato chips, he can never eat just one.
I've been eating habanero-flavored potato chips, of which you can't eat more than one. Well, OK, two — one on each side of the mouth.
Sexy…
>>In our two-party system, independents tend to serve as an electoral brake on the excesses of the party or executive in power
in the same way I'm outside stopping the wind and rain with my bare hands, yes.
But who would you reluctantly vote for Matt?
Well, here’s 2020:
And 2016:
Those two articles are a treasure trove.
He is such a prescient political analyst. Always correct and insightful predictions.
He certainly nailed it in 2016. Kudos, Matt.
Any other road apples of wisdom there, Mr. Ed?
The 2020 one continues to charm. In many ways the invocation of his values makes it better than the "reluctantly and strategically" foil.
He's man of true family values because he only backhands his wife with his non-dominant hand over the really important stuff.
Where was Trump planning to deport 4 million US citizens to? Wyoming?
Given Matt sees murdering Republicans as a thing to dream about, I'm betting he's voting with the marxists of the DNC.
Apparently Reason-?Libertarians? and Independents can just be labelled Democrats 99.9% of the time. As pointed out already; most already chose Biden over Trump and articles these past years just goes more-so in that direction all the time. Why it's almost as-if when Reason was asking for donations they signed up for Nazi-Subsidies.
most already chose Biden over Trump
not even close to true
most chose Jo Jorgensen
...but reluctantly voted for Biden.
Most libertarians want nothing to do with the LP, let alone Jo Jorgensen.
If you dont bake the cake and be actively anti racist, government will have to force you to do it.
It’s also nice that you are treating ” joining the hardcore anti-COVID-lockdowners” as tinfoil people rather than people who may have seen through the not allowed to paddle board by yourself crew. Good work .
I was struck by that too. The hard core anti-covid-lockdowners were the only libertarians in the room.
Did they all of the sudden run out of Florida articles?
Florida Man's out of the race, so back to ignoring America's wang.
Ol’ puddin’ fingers.
I think it was de Tocqueville who said that the biggest problem with democracy is that the people get the government they deserve.
If so, I want to know what we did to deserve this. Did we desecrate a shrine somewhere?
Yes, you can see the shrine's now desecrated documents on display at the National Archives.
That's why they store it underground at night now.
Who gives a shit what independents think? If our two(?) party industrial political system agrees on anything, it's that only major parties should have a role in choosing and running government. Just like with most religions, different sects may hate each other, but they would happily team up to exterminate the heathens.
It probably has a lot more to do with the process of elimination then you'd like to entertain. Can't say I've seen 3-football teams play a winner-ship game to date.
Who gives a shit what independents think?
Independents generally decide elections.
If our two(?) party industrial political system agrees on anything, it’s that only major parties should have a role in choosing and running government.
The major parties actually adjust their political positions to compete for the undecided, centrist voter, since that's the group they can actually convince to switch.
The major parties actually adjust their political positions to compete for the undecided, centrist voter, since that’s the group they can actually convince to switch.
I don't necessarily think that's the case, although they certainly pay lip service to it. Romney actually won independents in 2012 and still got his ass kicked, mainly because Republicans went lukewarm on him after he bitched out in the second debate.
Yes, parties "adjust their political positions to compete for the undecided, centrist voter". Sometimes they get it wrong.
In the case of Romney, they went for the preferences of the centrist voter too much and lost their base, which rather strengthens my point.
There is no such thing as Independents in todays politics.
All are (D) or (R) and just too gutless to admit it or dont want the blizzard of fundraising mailouts at election time so they dont declare.
In the R case there is also the consideration that the woke company they work for would fire them or they woke banks would deBank them or... yada yada...
Conservative people usually dont overstep the norms of civil society to destroy people like progressives do . The worst i think you could say for them is that they like to 'own the libs' from time to time.
How often does debanking happen?
Quite a bit. Even trumps son was debunked at one point before reversal. Canada had a huge scandal regarding it with the trucker protest. Janiary 6th protestors have had bank accounts taken.
For a start, look up Operation Chokepoint from the Obama era. There are other examples after that, but for it to be an actual program of the federal government is pretty scary.
There is no such thing as Independents in todays politics.
You are "Independent" if you are not registered as a voter in a party. Period. The reasons for your choice make no difference.
And as a group, independents are still the largest group of undecided, persuadable voters.
you are lying to yourself. they are neither undecided nor persuadable other than maybe the <5% who are complete mush-heads
...
Why and/or how did so many people believe that? It's been blindingly obvious for a while now, whether you wanted that outcome or not, that Trump would be the nominee. Are they really that delusional?
These people should not be allowed to vote. Clearly they are not paying attention.
Voters who don't pay attention are in Biden's wheelhouse.
In spite of this they will vote for one of them in record numbers. And if they don’t vote, fortification efforts will ensure their vote gets counted anyways for uncle Joe.
No, no. They are all lining up behind No Labels. See their sib 10% nationwide support.
They are all lining up behind No Labels.
Did one of our resident retards actually claim that?
Probably. May have forgotten it from lack of oxygen from laughing so hard though.
So a gang with no candidate, no platform, and no chance is what we are lining up behind?
I doubt it.
Excuse me sir. They have purist of the uniparty candidates.
https://www.nolabels.org/problem-solvers-caucus
They solve problems.
I wonder why no one has tried that before.
It's trending on Mastodon.
No Labels is polling at 10% until they name a candidate.
Then it will drop to 5% when half their supporters realize the candidate is conservative (or liberal) and they aren't.
...
The famous name who is himself a "dreary old guy."
The two least popular presidents of the modern era,
Wha...? [clicks link]
Huuuuuunnnnnhh...?
I was assured that, despite the fluke of Trump winning in 2016, vaccines are 100% safe and effective, the 2020 election was not stolen (or not stolen enough to make a difference), mail out voting was beyond reproach, masks worked, 6 ft. of separation was based on sound science, Biden was the mostest popularest candidate of the modern era and even people like Sandra were assuring me that Trump didn't stand a chance after 2020 unless Biden was stupid enough to put boots on the ground in Ukraine.
It's unpossible that the most popularest candidate in the history of Presidencies has fallen so far, especially without a fair and unbiased media widely noting "How did the mostest popularest candidate in the history of presidents fall so far, so fast?"
Almost like, when it was declared that Trump's Presidency ushered us into the post-truth era, it wasn't an observation, it was a promise.
80 million votes by hanging out in his basement and releasing a short, pre-recorded video every few weeks. Biden's 2020 campaign should have put a lot of campaign consultants out of work if it was that effective.
The Presidential elections always FOLLOW national political trends, they never LEAD them! Until the two-party system is replaced by a proportional representation, at-large, ranked choice election system for the state legislatures and the Congress, third party Presidential candidates cannot win.
This may come as a surprise, but RCV assures democrats of a win, not any ‘third’ party.
At this point the only thing that will assure a third party win is Argentina-style runaway inflation, which won't be much fun to live through first.
But is pretty much on the way to happening, so there's that.
At this point the only thing that will assure a third party win is Argentina-style runaway inflation, which won’t be much fun to live through first.
It also tends to sweep Hitler-style totalitarians into power, not liberty minded leaders.
The Presidential elections always FOLLOW national political trends, they never LEAD them! Until the two-party system is replaced by a proportional representation, at-large, ranked choice election system for the state legislatures and the Congress, third party Presidential candidates cannot win.
Thank goodness, because if you thought Trump or Biden were awful, just wait until we get one of the imbecilic minor party candidates.
I am absolutely certain I want none of the recent LP candidates anywhere near government.
Fuck Donald Trump and Fuck Joe Biden.
Don't support either of the two geriatric morons.
fuck donald trump is never gonna be a thing... you should quit trying to make it one.
There is only one Brandon... the notorious FJB
aye
The only difference between the two that I can see is that one willfully ignores the Constitution and the other has no understanding of it.
Neither one is fit for the office.
"In a three-way matchup, according to RealClearPolitics' polling average, RFK stands at a Ross Perot-like 19.3 percent, compared to 37.5 for Trump and 33.8 for Biden."
Bad news, Matt. 19.3 percent is a loser. RFK is dead last, not a threat to anyone.
(and just for the record, most 'independents' just want to avoid the calls and junk mail from the 'major' parties)
By the numbers he elects Trump so he's a threat to Biden.
Democrats are actively keeping no labels off of ballots.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/30/politics/arizona-democrats-sue-no-labels/index.html
Trying their best to RFK off as well.
Democracy sure works funny when practiced by democrats.
Hey, if Trump wins we will have no more democracy.
We're only curtailing it now to save it for later.
Good. I hate democracy the way the democrats practice it.
Which means the big target is RFK, Jr. He's even more of an apostate than Trump so he'll be the bigger target as he's seen taking away votes that should, in their warped view, belong to Biden.
You guys are really trying to hammer this talking point huh?
And Perot was polling a lot higher than 19% early in the race. The media successfully portrayed him as looney for ranting about "Republican dirty tricks" which were no doubt legitimate. And the Democrat/MSM dirty tricks apparatus is far more pervasive and sophisticated now.
The Libertarian Party, which has a three-election presidential streak of third-place finishes and a huge lead in small-party voter registration, is so far in 2024 lagging far behind RFK in name recognition.
Maybe if we had a libertarian party and a libertarian press to support it, libertarianism could make some inroads.
Do you think the LP was never libertarian, or once was libertarian, or is finally now libertarian? Just about every flavor of libertarian has had its day running the LP with scant (let's be honest) success.
I think it's better to get 0.5% with a real libertarian than to aim for 5% with a well known non-libertarian.
After 2019, I'd be content with National-level polling of questions/statements like
"I would lock my neighbors in their homes in perpetuity if I thought it meant I wouldn't die." or
"I am OK with taking my neighbors money and them taking my money so that we can pay men to dress as women and read to children." or
"I would get rid of [neighboring town]'s entire police force for doing what I perceived as immoral as long as they could get rid of my police force for doing something they perceived as immoral." or
"Since I would volunteer to go to war in my neighbors' kids places, I'm OK with getting into a war to defend or attack non-US foreign interests." or
"I believe the 1A doesn't apply to the internet and that Section 230, being responsible for the protection of private individual's speech on the internet, is the real 1A of the internet."
and driving the response of "Fuck no. Who the fuck are you? What the fuck is wrong with you? Get the fuck out of my house!" as close to 100% as possible. Without necessarily ever running a candidate.
If Reason had been HQd in Argentina, I'm trying to imagine what HyR bloggers would've come up with to disparage Milei.
"Dude's a full on authoritarian" @reasonargentina. "Dude's a full on libertarian"@reasonusa. "Trump's a full on authoritarian" @reasonusa. "Trump's a full on libertarian" @reasonargentina.
He speaks with an accent. Hitler had an accent. Millei speaks with the accent of mass murderers.
RFK, who channels similar anti-establishment and conspiratorial vibes as Trump
Vibes like…
– COVID came from a Chinese lab
– Democrats, big tech, and the FBI collaborate to manipulate elections and put out misinformation
– electric cars don’t work well
– the COVID mRNA vaccine is poorly tested and potentially harmful
– many prominent politicians and industrialists were part of a p-phile ring…
– … and are being protected by the FBI
– progressives want you to eat insects
– Democrats want to take away your guns
– Democrats want to legalize discrimination based on race
- Democrats want abortion up to birth
I could go on.
Yeah, well, those pretty much all have turned out to be true.
In the age of weaponized misinformation, we can't be too safe though. Best keep him off the ballot.
Why have ballots at all? According to Klaus Schwab, our international overlord, AI can choose our representatives.
[Independents], which has been the most revolted by the prospect of a Trump-Biden rematch, will be serially wooed and cajoled over the next 41 weeks.
That may be what Trump and Biden want but they can’t do that and they won’t. We do negative advertising and campaigning now. Which means getting out the vote for your base (affective polarization - selling them on how repulsive the other side is) and repelling everyone else. Neither Trump nor Biden have likely ever appealed to a single voter who didn’t vote for them. There is no reaching out or wooing.
The numbers I’ve seen for independents indicate that 17% would likely vote for Trump, 11% for Biden, and 41% will not vote. That is quite a bit different than for generic Congress – 30% D, 34% R, 30% Not sure, 4% Won’t vote. Negative advertising means the D R % now will go down not up. For registered DeRps, the polls are tied – 76% of each will vote for their clown. So there it’s just a matter of registered numbers and GOTV.
Independents will likely vote for lower offices like Congress, etc. But this could be the first election in my life where Prez gets fewer votes than the down-ticket races. Name recognition for both is high. They (and their parties) are both seen by independents as scum. And that won’t change.
Moral high ground is for losers. Winners stoop lower than their opponents.
What else can we expect, given the behavior that the electorate rewards?
Your bumper sticker statements get dumber by the attempt. Always reliant on complete ignorance to any history prior to last weekend.
Youre more ignorant to reality that an evangelist visiting the 6000 year museums.
Pure pablum.
Trump and Clinton were seen as scum in 2016.
The LP ran a well qualified alternative (Johnson), and got 3% of the vote.
Well, Johnson had a Clinton fan as his VP, which did not help...
The Trump and Clinton hatred last time was mostly DeRps themselves. For independents, most of the 2016 election season was quite a few candidates in two reasonably competitive races. The 2016 outcome was the result of a very large swing in the last two weeks or so from Clinton to Trump. That was entirely a consequence of independents (not DeRps) either making up their mind or switching their vote. One of the reasons the 2016 polls looked so foolish is because independents tend to be undersampled (and because polls oversample places like CA and TX and undersample competitive states).
This election is different. Independents are turned off really early. There is no libertarian or third-party that will woo independents. And they aren’t going to switch. This election could be interesting if it finally becomes a low turnout election at the top with the Congress races becoming the interesting ones.
It might happen here in CO. There are three safe R districts. Two incumbents are resigning (one for normal reasons and one for ‘R’s are becoming stupid’ reasons). The third – a stupid R (Boebert) is switching districts to a safer R district because she has poisoned her original district and would lose. The state R party is a clusterfuck at war with itself. Those three seats have a total of 30 candidates looking for work in the primary – two of whom could well be 14Asec3 ‘disabled’ because of holding state office at the time. Which is big reason why CO became the home of the ballot lawsuit – ie to get Trump off the Prez ballot (or at least find out whether states can decide about state-office qualification) so that the primary race for those three seats results in a lot less crazy. Two of the D districts are competitive and 3 aren’t but those are all ‘incumbent running’ so probably nothing happens.
Uh huh. You realize that Trump get 12 million MORE votes in 2020 than 2016, right? He might get even more this time.
The democrats need to buy a lot more ballot printers this time.
Hey, did you guys hear that there's no such thing as an independent? Only people that don't like spam? The trump version of act blue has declared it the reality of the week.
Well. It is not working. I get both parties spam.
Pray for dual strokes or heat attacks.
With global warming running rampant, dual heat attacks are quite likely. Them geezers best carry a Thermos full of iced lemonade with 'em.
I want Trump to get re-elected, I’d just to see the mass heart attacks, strokes, amd suicides amongst the democrat hive.
My plan is to take a dump on election day. If it leaves marks after flushing, I’ll vote third party. If it doesn’t, I won’t vote.
The Libertarian party stopped being libertarian quite some time ago. The official death knell was when they asked their party to vote for Hillary and Biden.
That would be terrible if it really happened. But it is a falsehood that "they" (presumably the LP leaders) "asked their party to vote for Hillary and Biden."
we hate it because it's between sleepy joe and orange jesus 2: electric boogaloo. the choice is clear, we can't let Trump destroy democracy forever in the USA and see the end of Western Civilization, so sleepy Joe it is
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Blah blah blah Orange Man Bad blah blah blah.
Yeah, we get it. You don't like Trump. Did he steal your lunch money or kill your dog?
Trump tweeted things that made him feel sad.
Yeah the RFK Jr. "anti-vaxxer!!" rap the MSM lays on him every time they mention his name doesn't hurt his chances as much as they think it does. At this point "Arrest Fauci!" might not be a bad campaign slogan.
Is anyone selling ‘arrest Fauci’ t shirts yet? That could be a gold mine.
I would be categorized as an independent and summarize my opinion as follows.
Dpnald Trump is a despicable, vile human that has extreme signs of narcissistic behavior. There are no expletives that should be spared when describing Donald Trump. He should have never became president in a sane world by any stretch of the imagination. I don't want him to be elected as president again.
Joe Biden is even worst, and not by a little bit, but by a wide margin. He embodies everything that the democrat party accused Trump of except on steroids. Likewise, he never should have been vice-president or president and that fact that he was proves that the world is not sane. I would rather have Trump as president than to have Biden reelected.
The very though of either of them as president is so repulsive it is difficult to imagine. Then add to the mix that they are both way too old. Perhaps in lieu of a debate, they should hold a wheelchair race.
The time for a third party is now (although I'm not holding my breath). There are Uni-Party retreads that would be better and even though there are many terrible examples, most would be better than the geriatric re-do.
Nikki Haley who is still running, is a bought and paid for warmongering representative of the military-industrial complex. She is better than Biden who is also a bought and paid for warmongering representative of the military-industrial complex, but is at least not senile. She would offer tiny bits of resistance instead of being completely managed from behind the scenes. I really don't like her as a alternative.
No one know who Dean Phillips is, so next up is Gavin Newsom who is probably the one politician who would be worse than either Trump or Biden. If I were religious, he would represent the anti-christ.
I will not be voting for any of these four people regardless of who the other candidate the Uni-Party excretes as a candidate.
This seems like a legitimately well-thought out view. I may not agree, but I can see how many find Trump to be a dick (he is). I do not MIND his dickishness --- preferable to the old "go along to get along" type of Republicanism --- but I can see how off-putting it can be.
We've had plenty of douche bags, pricks, asshats, pussies and suck ups in the white house. Why not an honest asshole? Don't we assholes deserve representation as well?
Dpnald Trump is a despicable, vile human that has extreme signs of narcissistic behavior. There are no expletives that should be spared when describing Donald Trump. He should have never became president in a sane world by any stretch of the imagination. I don’t want him to be elected as president again.
This renders everything you say afterwards moot.
It is childish, petulant and plain stupid. It cites no facts, addresses no concerns and has the impact of a toddler stamping it's feet.
Trump was a decent president, at least relative to his last several predecessors. And he would have been even better without the collective forces of Washington DC sabotaging his every move.
...it's hard to imagine them improving if the candidate is convicted of a January 6, 2021–related crime.
There are, I believe, a scant few normies who see 1/6 as anything but a riot and there is enough evidence - once they see it - of Trump telling the protestors to be peaceable that any conviction will just as likely be seen as political and therefore galvanizing (not in the way you think).
The fact that it’s 3 years later and they still have to generalize about “a January 6, 2021-related crime” instead of naming a specific charge says it all.
somebody should write a book about the state of independents in america
I'm an Independent, and I hate it ... so much that if it's Trump v. Biden, I'll just skip the top of the ballot. First time since I started voting in 1968. But I will not vote for Trump again. It isn't about his policies. It's about HIM.
like I said above - ... mush-head
"let the country go to hell faster... i dont like the poopy-head"
The contrast between his policies and Biden’s are the point. So you’re basically voting for the status quo.
People like you might not be the enemy, but you are collaborators.
Failed politician-No
Academic-No
Ex-Cop-Hell No
Tech Entrepreneur - No
Unknown Libertarian -What's new there
That doesn't leave much to choose from...
Stuff your TDS up your ass, and then do the world a favor: Fuck off and die, you ignorant pile of shit.