Will the Climate Deal Do Anything?
Plus: White supremacists and plagiarism, Milei and shock therapy, checking in on California, and more...

This time, they really mean it: Though historically climate agreements have infrequently amounted to much of anything, journalists across the mainstream publications are heralding the resolution agreed to by diplomats convened at Dubai's COP28 climate summit as a huge deal.
The resolution calls for "transitioning away from fossil fuels … in a just, orderly and equitable manner … so as to achieve net zero by 2050 in keeping with the science."
"The sweeping agreement, which comes during the hottest year in recorded history, was reached on Wednesday," reports The New York Times, describing the two rival groups at the summit as fast-growing or Arab oil-exporter nations vs. European nations seeking an aggressive phase-out of fossil fuels.
"In the end, negotiators struck a compromise: The new deal calls on countries to accelerate a global shift away from fossil fuels this decade … and to quit adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere entirely by midcentury," adds the Times. "It also calls on nations to triple the amount of renewable energy, like wind and solar power, installed around the world by 2030 and to slash emissions of methane, a greenhouse gas that is more potent than carbon dioxide in the short term."
"Over 100 countries called for language in the COP28 agreement to reference the 'phase out' of fossil fuels," per Axios. "The deal reached at the summit that was supposed to wrap up on Tuesday commits to 'accelerating efforts towards phase-down of unabated coal power.' But it does not mention other fossil fuels, and major oil producing nation Saudi Arabia was strongly opposed to such language."
"We are what we do, not what we say," Sultan Ahmed Al Jaber, the summit's president (and a breath of fresh air on climate realism, despite his oil-industry conflicts of interest), said in a speech. "We must take the steps necessary to turn this agreement into tangible actions."
Therein lies the rub. It's extraordinarily easy to write headlines greeting the text of this resolution as some kind of historic victory; it's a lot harder for the assenting nations to keep their word and have the right incentives in place to actually implement the agreed-upon climate policies—and in a manner that doesn't hinder development.
More on this from Reason's Ronald Bailey, who reported from Dubai and writes that "there is no 1.5°C climate cliff."
Section 702 fight: On Monday evening, two dueling bills were pulled from the House floor. The bills would have reauthorized Section 702, which allows the federal government to warrantlessly surveil foreigners abroad—sometimes catching Americans' communications in their dragnet.
"The GOP has been divided over how to extend section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act," reports CNN, "and so [House Speaker Mike] Johnson was planning to put both bills on the floor Tuesday to see which one would garner the most support, but his right flank pushed backed on the idea."
Johnson had been intending to see which bill garnered more support among his party and send that one to the Senate. This plan fell apart.
Members of Congress "are especially at odds over how severely to restrict officials' ability to plumb Americans' communications once collected," per The New York Times. "On one side, progressive congressional Democrats have joined with harder-right Republican allies of former President Donald J. Trump to rally around a Judiciary Committee bill that would sharply curtail the law while enhancing protections for Americans' privacy rights."
But there's also an Intelligence Committee bill backed by national security hawks that contains a lot fewer privacy protections. Hawks "have denounced the more reform-minded legislation as likely to put the country in greater danger from terrorists, hackers, spies and other threats," per the Times.
The actual law on the books will lapse later this month if not renewed, but the program itself may stay in operation until spring.
Scenes from New York
"Earlier this week, the board of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA)—the state agency that runs rail and bus service in the New York City area—gave initial approval to a toll schedule that will charge the average driver $15 to enter lower Manhattan during peak times (5 a.m. to 9 p.m. on weekdays and 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. on weekends)," writes Reason's Christian Britschgi.
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- "Covid lockdowns had a 'catastrophic effect' on the UK's social fabric and the most disadvantaged are no better off now than at the time of the financial crash, a new report claims," per The Guardian.
- Per the New York Post, Harvard had been investigating plagiarism allegations against its president, Claudine Gay, for some time now. "The college announced Tuesday morning that it … had cleared her of breaching the college's 'standards for research misconduct.' Instead, it said that she would request four corrections in two publications to insert citations and quotation marks that were originally 'omitted.'"
- Related:
Right on cue, caring about plagiarism has been added to the "white supremacist agenda".
What's the implication here, that black people can't be expected to follow the norms of academic honesty?
How can the president of a university, who ultimately oversees the punishment of… https://t.co/uSId6EgVXv
— Coleman Hughes (@coldxman) December 13, 2023
- And even more on double standards for university presidents in the era of wokeness:
This is sort of the inverse of the finding that a white man with a criminal record is more readily called back by employers than a black man without one
Magill didn't plagiarize; Gay did. Gay survived disastrous performance before Congress, Magill didn't.… pic.twitter.com/tSwNc6AfOl
— Wesley Yang (@wesyang) December 13, 2023
- At Columbia, students seem to think they can go on tuition strike with no consequences. At Brown, meanwhile, 41 students were arrested and booked earlier this week for a sit-in at which they demanded an Israel-Hamas ceasefire.
- San Francisco Supervisor Dean Preston—who represents District 5, which encompasses the Tenderloin—says the homelessness problem is "absolutely the result of capitalism." He blamed landlords and downplayed issues with drug use and psychosis.
- Yes:
It's wild how there's an entire planning consulting industry that basically exists to help California cities subvert state housing law.
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I’m sick of these low numbers. I’m sick of readers making jokes about me like I’m Stalin.
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Pay her the standard deal with performance bonuses. Dangle some possible merch opportunity without committing.
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Damn it, Chumby, you made me laugh out loud in the office this morning.
LOL!
*Chef's Kiss*
Ha
Very well played, Chumby! Your puns alone are gut-busting in their own right, but the skit tops even those! You have outdone yourself!
The sex worker driving the sandwich food truck to appease ENB was a scream!
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Thank you for starting my day with some-much-needed humor!
love it.
Robbie really does have the best hair.
Well done, sir. Well done.
Climate deal follows the “science”.
So comforting.
Sure they've been wrong on every prediction. Sure it will cost trillions a year. Sure green energy is shown in studies to be dirtier due to mining and such. But this time they will get it right.
The complicity they have found with a huge chunk of the population is astounding. They are selling poverty in exchange for feeling warm and fuzzy, and I'll be damned if they don't have millions of people that are hardcore believers. If I could hire a a couple salesmen of that caliber, I'd be a very wealthy man.
50 years of brainwashing is effective
The only real ‘green energy’ comes from the great power battery on Oa. And that too is only in fiction.
Zero carbon by 2050. So that means we all have 24 years to figure out how to stop exhaling. Best of luck to you.
The good news is, pretty much all of the delegates who signed on to this deal will have stopped exhaling by then.
"we all have 24 years to figure out how to stop exhaling"
Start with the democrats.
Human species have been using fire for cooking and controlling landscapes through burning and for at least 1 million years, so this will be the first time in a long, long time we are zero carbon emissions.
Many cities and states mandate some degree of environmental consciousness education, where they shame children in recycling plastics. Those same cities then take 95% of plastics in a recycling bin and go dump them into a landfill right next to all the other trash.
If we were running out of fossil fuels, the cost of creating new plastics for single-use purposes would be so severe that it would only make economic sense for someone to reuse them. That's simply not the case.
Could be worse - for a couple of years (Post-Covid) the city of St. Louis wasn't even picking up the recycling in many neighborhoods. They still put the recycling dumpsters in all the alleys, they just never emptied them.
What was the Flintstone's favorite fossil fuel?
Any plans to address this?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darvaza_gas_crater
We can buy several decades by depositing all democrats in landfills and paving over them.
This is the slow turn that we've been talking about since ~2014. After it was clear that the US was, hands down, the winner of the Kyoto climate competition despite not having entered and/or having quit halfway through, it was obvious that something had to be done before the entire movement became a bunch of sandwich board "The End Is Nigh!" weirdo losers.
Prediction: 2050 will come around. We'll still be burning fossil fuels at greater than 20% of the global energy production but, because it's not 80% and despite the fact that we said 0%, achieved nothing even remotely able to be confused with 0%, and any 60+% reduction we do achieve had precisely fuck all to do with windmills, solar panels, EVs, smart grids, lab meat, organic farming, cricket-eating, nitrogen-reducing, pod-dwelling, air travel-ending, public-transportation-funding, etc., etc., etc. bullshit it will be declared a victory for the climate. 5 of the hundred or so people working on next gen fusion reactors will drive Teslas and the first commercially-viable Solid Oxide Fuel Cell by a guy who doesn't eat meat and that will validate the climate cult has been correct since the 60s.
I always laugh at the greenies who brag about the solar panels on their roof, and how going to EVs is an inevitablity for everyone. They go noticeably silent when I point out that people who live in apartments can't exactly plug in their cars at night, nor does the grid have the capacity to handle the load demand that going even 30% electric would entail.
Shit, California has had rolling blackouts for DECADES now, and that's before all this green bullshit, simply because the idiots in the state house have no idea how basic physics on available wattage capacity vs. load demand works. Going from a model where you bought electricity from other states to one where you're producing it yourself with "sustainable energy" doesn't change the math on that equation.
Ask them if they mined the rare earths necessary for the construction of those solar panels themselves, or the components for solar batteries, to ensure they were done in an environmental conscientious way that was carbon-neutral.
And with labor that is not enslaved.
This has never been a concern for the Greens or Leftists.
All that matters to them is that the slavery isn't 'official' and it happens out of sight.
Hence why they scream about things like the 'Palestinian Genocide' but are silent on the Uyghurs and conditions in Apple's factories.
Read an article earlier this morning on Tablet about how the Arab minorities treat blacks in African countries they control or are seeking to control. Genocide, slavery, etc. about what you would expect. But remember they are oppressed people to fighting against colonialism. Not colonists themselves (because the Arab Muslim invasions of the 7th century was colonialism, only Europeans and Jews can be colonists).
Haven't heard of Imperial Japan was wasn't a colonial power, they claimed to be fighting European Colonialism during their military aggression of the first half of the 19th century, but they are East Asians, so it may cancel out.
Japan is considered a First World country, so they don't get privilege points on the progressive stack like Third World ones do.
Apparently Russia was the only white power that wasn't 'colonial'. Because the sort of people who say things like that loved the Soviet Union.
The conquest of Siberia was certainly colonial, as was the Russian colonization of Alaska (before they sold it because they could not protect their sea lanes), and the extension of Russia into Georgia, Kazakhstan, etc.
Yeah, we've been outsourcing a lot of our industrial pollution for over 30 years now.
And what rare earths might those be?
Will the Climate Deal Do Anything?
Make everything even more expensive.
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Too many repetitive hand gestures.
+1 I LOLed at the AI black guy who apparently doesn't know what to do with his hands when he's speaking. The others have repetitive hand gestures but for reasons I can only assume are racist, he only gets the one.
Remember, the AI was written by progressives. So, of course it's racist.
I'd be more concerned on the complete reliance of press releases for "real" footage.
It's very well done, but it's the next generation of click bait advertisements.
Every story I scrolled through was a product review. How does twitter feel about the cybertruck? Let's hear from the FBI about their sensitivity training.
I thought the AI generated Biden was the worst. Seemed so fake. Very stiff. It hardly moved and mumbled a lot. Do better AI!
Quick warning if not a common reader here. A poster named Public Entelectual will be here shortly as the topic discusses climate. He will post a fake spam site trying to mimic wattsupwiththat. He will attempt to portray he understands climate science but is full of shit. /end public service announcement.
I think he does understand Climate Science!, which means he/she/xe is full of shit.
Somehow Public Entelectual thinks "vvatts" looks just like "watts" in the url of his scam site.
It fooled me once I think.
If it fools you twice, shame on you.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again.
It should not fool you tvvice.
KKK still runs the DNC as Boston Mayer emails about race segregated holiday parties.
Boston Herald
@bostonherald
A Wu administration official, on behalf of the mayor, mistakenly sent all Boston city councilors an email Tuesday inviting them to a holiday party that was meant exclusively for “electeds of color,” prompting an apology and mixed reactions.
The Caucasians should start doing the same thing for the exact same reasons.
"We are safer when we are not exposed to POC."
Back up this statement with crime stats.
Scott Adams made a similar statement satirically and got ‘cancelled’.
30,000 white girls, raped by black males, EVERY YEAR!
Do you have a cite and a link for that, or are you just trolling for a response?
I’m sure it’s bullshit. I’ve read a lot of Adams’ writings and the guy is acerbic and sarcastic, not racist. Only a democrat could think something so stupid.
Well, it wasn't 'satirically'.
Yeah, it was.
Separate Whites and Coloreds parties. The real Democratic Party is back, baby!
I think they went too far when they took away Colored's drinking fountains. Don't they want them to drink water?
Lefties unironically calling for separate but equal policies certainly wasn't on my western civ bingo card when I was going to college in the 90s.
ingo card when I was going to college in the 90s.
Not sure where you went to college but this was exactly what was being proposed by students and universities in the 90s, except it was ridiculed into submission. They went to sleep for about 15-20 years and now they're back, everyone agreed to disagree, and it's the law of the land.
What happened is the students who proposed it fully embraced the relatively new scholarship on "whiteness" and "white privilege" that was being created and presented at conferences during that decade and into the early 200s, and later became college professors. I'm not even joking here, because I still see a lot of people I went to grad school with at professional conferences, and they're being praised for the same stupid bullshit that was getting mocked in class during the 90s.
I remember back in grad school (this was late 90s-early 00s), I was in class with some idiot who claimed that white people in the 1800s experienced hardly any discrimination. I shot back, "Oh, the Irish weren't also called niggers and kept out of hireable jobs?" and shut him up instantly.
If I said that in class today, I'd probably get kicked out of the program.
I wish we (or our public education system anyway) could take credit for her but I think really, between her Harvard Economics and Harvard Law degree, Harvard deserves at least some of the credit.
So fucking much for Taiwanese CCP fugitives making America more diverse *and free*.
mixed reactions.
Heh.
According to Tania Fernandes Anderson, 'Many groups celebrate and come together in various ways, and it's not about excluding anyone. Instead, it's about creating spaces for like-minded individuals to connect and support each other.'
White people need to just repeat this verbatim when PeeOhhSees bitch about white supremacy or "non-diverse spaces."
Ironically according to the current prog rules Wu is prohibited from the electeds of color party.
The sweeping agreement, which comes during the hottest year in recorded history</b:, was …….
Just stop repeating that ridiculous phrase.
Don't worry, next year will be the hottest ever. Then the next, then the next, then the next.......
And if not, they will continue to lower historical records. Erase the MWP from climate models, etc.
Or they just change the range and cherry pick their temperatures as we've seen when they claim "hottest temperature", but they only use data from 1980 or later.
And data from weather stations that were in a field but are now next to a parking lot.
I've been saying things like that for the better part of 30 years, even during my college years.
A hottest year on record which saw severe winter weather.
https://abc7.com/snow-blizzard-warning-mountains-los-angeles-county/12861368/
Exaggeration undermines their case.
Don’t remember the specifics, but at one point someone found one of the thermometers used was moved to a place at an airport that was effected by heat from jet exhaust.
University of Arizona put a facilities parking lot right next to theirs. Parking space 4 feet away.
And the weather station that's been operating for half a century on a USDA research farm near my town was recently closed.
Odds that next year's election will be the most important election of our lifetime?
You mean, there's a chance that it won't be?
Just curious how long we'll keep up this streak.
Can some of the posters here pushing the false cleanest election ever narrative stop? Survey shows nearly 20% of voters admit to mailing in friends and family ballots they themselves filled out and some even fsked signatures.
The poll of 1,085 likely voters released on Tuesday, which was conducted from November 30 to December 6, asked, “During the 2020 election, did you fill out a ballot, in part or in full, on behalf of a friend or family member, such as a spouse or child?” A total of 21% of respondents who said they had cast mail-in ballots answered 'yes.'
Many also admitted to voting in states they weren't residents of.
Furthermore, 17% of mail-in voters admitted they voted in a state where they "were no longer a permanent resident.” Seventeen percent also said they signed a “ballot or ballot envelope on behalf of a friend or family member.”
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/poll-one-five-mail-voters-admit-committing-voter-fraud-2020-election
Jeff will deny this polling exists.
Wisconsin requires election officials to verify those who utilize same day registration of votes. It turns out the DA refuses to do what is required of him. There is no election fraud if you dont look after all.
https://publicinterestlegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/MKE-DA-Report-2023-FINAL.pdf
"Jeff will deny this polling exists."
No. He'll try to discredit your news source, and if that doesn't work he'll try to redefine the poll questions, and if that doesn't work he'll attack the pollsters.
Let's watch.
Gald he didn't refresh before posting his long list of prevarications.
Rarely have I ever seen anyone use so much verbiage to say so little as he does.
If there were a million bears in a million trunks with a million typewriters…
They'd be pounding out a million copies of "Snow White is a Homophobe."
Let's do some fact-checking on this claim.
From your link:
One in five voters who cast mail-in ballots during the November 2020 election admit to committing voter fraud, according to a new poll by The Heartland Institute and Rasmussen Reports.
But that conclusion is not supported by the evidence provided.
The poll question was:
“During the 2020 election, did you fill out a ballot, in part or in full, on behalf of a friend or family member, such as a spouse or child?”
We have no idea what the "in part" means - it could mean something as innocuous as filling out the return address portion of the ballot envelope, which would not meaningfully constitute "voter fraud". Furthermore, the legal definition of "voter fraud" varies from state to state - in Wisconsin, the state you mention, voter fraud in this context would consist of someone who "Impersonates a registered elector or poses as another person for the purpose of voting at an election".
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/12.13(1)(d)
(If this is not the right statute, feel free to provide a correction.)
If a person were to, say, fill out the return address portion of a ballot envelope, would this person fairly and legally be considered to have committed "voter fraud" in the state of Wisconsin? I think that would be a stretch.
Furthermore, 17% of mail-in voters admitted they voted in a state where they “were no longer a permanent resident.”
This poll question is a little bit confusing:
"6. During the 2020 election, did you cast a mail-in ballot in a state where you were no longer a permanent resident?"
It could be interpreted as meaning if someone voted in 2020 in a state where they are NOW no longer a resident. Also, even if a person voted in 2020 in a state where they weren't a permanent resident in 2020, it is not necessarily a crime as most states permit a grace period after moving to update a voter registration. Again this is not necessarily proof of voter fraud.
Seventeen percent also said they signed a “ballot or ballot envelope on behalf of a friend or family member.”
Again this is not necessarily a crime, as this can include individuals who hold power of attorney for elderly relatives.
And, also just to point out the obvious, these are poll results, not proven facts according to any legal standard.
I guess I would also question what is the purpose of publishing a poll like this, with blaring headlines about VOTER FRAUD when there are very obvious and easy explanations for the results that aren't necessarily voter fraud.
did you fill out a ballot
This has historically meant to select a candidate. Stop pretending to be obtuse.
Again without precise definition of terms in the poll question, the meaning is left up to the respondent to fill in the gaps created by the ambiguities.
A good-faith interpretation of this poll is that the authors wanted to try to measure how widespread voter fraud really was, in an admittedly flawed and limited way.
A bad-faith interpretation of this poll is that the authors intentionally used ambiguous and non-legal terms to try to generate surprisingly large values for "voter fraud" to try to push a deceptive "widespread fraud" narrative.
As t ‘bad faith’ your nickname in kindergarten?
Did I call it or what?
You nailed it ML.
Pegged his response perfectly.
Spot on, as usual.
Oh, *now* we need 'precise definitions of terms'.
Of course, and they must be an agreed upon consensus of rules based on agreed upon facts. Didn't you get his memo yesterday?
He's right. There's no consensus on this poll or on the fraud.
We have always needed precise definition of terms.
OK, what is a woman?
I'm pretty sure he's that stupid.
The supposed benefits of mail in ballots are outweighed by the potential for fraud.
The fraud is the benefit.
“The poll question was:
“During the 2020 election, did you fill out a ballot, in part or in full, on behalf of a friend or family member, such as a spouse or child?”
We have no idea what the “in part” means”
HONK HONK!
And your point is?
You engaged is bad faith "fact checking" to deflect from the results of the poll. Chemjeff, radical prevaricator.
I pointed out what the poll results *truly show*. The article is misleading, the poll results do NOT show "one in five voters who cast mail-in ballots during the November 2020 election admit to committing voter fraud". Because the way the poll was constructed, it didn't use the legal definition of the term "voter fraud" and it used very open-ended terms like "did you help someone else to fill out the ballot, in whole or in part", which could be a very de minimis amount of effort which did not meaningfully contribute to any sort of fraud, let alone with any intent to deceive.
I pointed out what the poll results *truly show*
Lol, you did no such thing. You have a rather unrealistic opinion of yourself. They aren't getting their money's worth even at 50 cents.
Chemjeff, self-important blowhard
You’re a clown.
You know those clown cars at the circus? Where many clowns exit? Imagine a clown that couldn’t fit in the car by himself.
But, could the bear fit in the trunk at the same time?
Found Jeffy:
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Stuffed Krusty the Clown
What are you, 12?
If he were, Pluggo might be interested.
Why Jeffy? Looking for a vicitm?
No twelve year old boy is going to keep his balls on chemjeff's watch.
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/12/07/washington-state-economist-refused-to-lie-so-they-forced-him-out-n597366
This is the 'shared understanding of reality' you like so much.
'Consensus science'.
No, it is not. Again you seem to have this paranoid idea that if we agree on facts, that we will descend into some 1984-esque hellscape.
And yet this is how every 'shared understanding of reality' mediated by other people - and this is what you have been advocating for - turns out.
Maybe you're not paranoid enough?
Maybe you're part of the egregore. How's Twitter?
Neither 17% nor 20% meet the threshold of "widespread".
To be completely fair, it was 20% of the 30% who said they voted by mail, which comes to 65 of the 1085, basically 6% of respondents to the poll, which falls pretty close to my "troll" range.
Its a poll. If that's what your grasping at as evidence that Trump won, it's not very compelling.
I know it's hard for some people to move past Trump but that's a pretty fucking seriously critical crack in your electoral system to just acknowledge the existence of and leave completely unrepaired and unaddressed going forward.
If next year, someone (or Trump if thinking of people besides him is too difficult) campaigns on getting everyone to fill out ballots for their infirm, older relatives, on getting assisted living administrators to fill out and submit ballots for anyone and everyone under their roof, no matter how dementia-addled, should the Zoomers and Millennials who took off work just accept the outcome supported by the jobs program that is the post office?
Even by ATM's troll calculus, performatively fucking the goat is still throwing billions at Ukraine, doubling down on EVs, etc., etc., etc.
Lots of countries don't know who the president is for several days after. Totally normal and secure.
Days? Hell, in my state, Illinois, it can be up to two weeks afterward.
Bush-Gore certainly didn’t have an instant result.
Ctrl+F “Trump won” = 0.
Shhhh. Narratives have to be said.
Also ignore the DoJ is trying to convict trump from claiming election issues exist.
Got it. Voter fraud is good because of Trump. Go with that.
I don't understand how you don't get it yet JesseAz. The tweets were so mean. Something had to be done!
Sure Joe lost at the USSC regarding student loan bailouts, but as sarc always tells us, Joe recognizes the constitution. Such as when he brags about stoll forgiving student loans despite the loss.
President Biden
@POTUS
We’ve approved over a total of $132 billion in student debt cancellation for 3.6 million Americans through various actions.
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Getting student loan debt relief to borrowers that need it is about extending the power of possibilities to every American, not just those at the top.
Jesse, is it your claim that all $132 billion of the student loan forgiveness is unconstitutional?
My understanding is that at least part of it was due to fixing a screw-up at the Department of Education where they would deny student-loan forgiveness for individuals under certain circumstances according to existing law, such as working for nonprofits for a certain period of time.
But it could be that a good portion of it was unconstitutional, and if so, that is wrong.
I'd just like to see a breakdown of how much of it, if any, was legal and how much of it was not.
So is Joe a liar or what?
Obviously yes.
Your understanding is wrong. Imagine calling yourself a libertarian while defending government changes ex post facto of agreed to contractual terms causing bailouts for favored constituents for political reasons.
The hilarity of your post is you admit to being ignorant about the issue but still rush in to defend Joe.
You are free to go give the break downs to prove your assertions and feels, but we know you won't.
I will even clarify it for you jeff. It wasn't a system glitch or mistake. The forgiveness regulations were changed, not fixed, in order to expand the number of loans forgiven in order to increase the number of loan forgiveness. This was done after he lost at the USSC. The entire impetus was a run around the ruling. He has stated clearly in the past, even post ruling he would find ways to subvert the ruling relying on the slowness of the courts to stop him.
Do you have a source for your claim? Or do you expect me to just take your word for it?
No one expects anything from you except obfuscation and lies and denial.
I'm asking a straightforward good faith question. What is the harm in answering it?
Do you think it is some sort of trap to ask for a source for a claim about the regulations changes for student loan forgiveness?
You’re not fooling anyone.
So is this where you claim that I really meant something other than what I said, and that I am a liar for not stating what you claim that I really meant but didn't say? And that, oh, if I were to do the same thing to you - try to claim that you really mean something different than what you say - that if I were to do so, it would make me a liar by attempting to change your words into something different than what you said?
That your words are to be taken at face value, but my words are to be "reinterpreted" to mean something other than what I say? Is that the double standard that we are operating under now?
The infer what you really mean, and when you disagree you're the liar.
*They*
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You've lately been complaining that people are only citing your exact words without your interpretation behind them, and now you are complaining that they are inferring your (or Jeff's in this case) interpretation?
Classic Pedo Jeffy sea lioning.
Do you think Jesse is telling the truth here? How do you know he is?
He knows JesseAz is a liar. He can't be that stupid. He overlooks it because he hates the people who Jesse lies about, so that makes it ok.
You realize how dumb your constant bald assertions countered by actual evidence makes you look right?
Fuck off, you drunk piece of shit. You’re just mad because Jesse slaps you around like the little bitch you are.
The forgiveness regulations were changed, not fixed, in order to expand the number of loans forgiven in order to increase the number of loan forgiveness.
Even if this is true - was this change legal, or illegal? If the change was legal, then even if it we might object to it, it is constitutional, no?
I don't think anyone here disagrees that Biden is interested in forgiving student loans in order to help his re-election chances, and I don't think anyone here seriously disagrees that he is not above bending the rules to accomplish this. But does it matter that in this particular case whether the action was legit or not?
It rotten and you know it.
It is very obviously a political stunt, yes. He is literally trying to buy votes with taxpayer dollars.
It’s worse than a “stunt”.
Notice how he won’t outright condemn straight up de o rat criminal behavior? Just like he won’t condemn letting illegal alien rapists into the US.
So what was this, 20-30 posts of trolling and insults, that could have been all avoided if Jesse could have just posted whatever source he had that was the basis for his claim that "It wasn’t a system glitch or mistake. The forgiveness regulations were changed, not fixed, in order to expand the number of loans forgiven in order to increase the number of loan forgiveness. This was done after he lost at the USSC. The entire impetus was a run around the ruling."
So, my hypothesis is that Jesse does not have a solid source for his claim, that he heard it from some social media rumor mill or some very biased right-leaning site that would obviously not be considered a trustworthy source.
Meanwhile, I found this source:
https://studentaid.gov/announcements-events/idr-account-adjustment
So, this "one-time adjustment" appears to be one source of student loan forgiveness. I don't know how much of it constitutes the $132 billion that was referenced above and I don't know if the "one-time adjustment" is congruent with existing law.
Also, this is I think what sarc and I were referring to when we discussed student loan forgiveness as correcting past errors:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/student-loan-debt-forgiveness-repayment/index.html
So because the borrowers were in forbearance, and not IDR, they didn't get credit towards forgiveness that they would have had if they had been in the IDR plan. So that was a legitimate mistake. Also note the date of the article is in April 2022, which is before the SCOTUS ruling on Biden's big student loan plan that was struck down.
So there are a lot of different student loan forgiveness plans and programs out there, and so that is one reason why it would have been nice to have seen Jesse's source so I know which one he is talking about (if any!). Is it the one mentioned above, the "one-time adjustment"? Or is it the one mentioned below, the "forbearance error"? The "one-time adjustment" seems fishy. The "forbearance error" seems like a legitimate mistake on the part of the government and/or the loan servicers.
But maybe none of this matters, let's just sit around and say it's all unconstitutional when it's not.
So what was this, 20-30 posts of trolling and insults, that could have been all avoided...
Stop right there. You could've ended it at any time, yet you willing persisted and participated, and now you want to blame others for the volume of posts you made. Cut the crap, Jeffy, and be concise and to the point early on instead of dancing around, obfuscating, and practicing a Gish Gallop. That's how these threads get so long.
Do you have a comment to make on the substance of what I wrote above?
At this point, what does it matter? The point of argument and debate is to present ideas and convince people of positions based on facts. You've been told and shown facts, yet you fail to heed them consistently and persist in indulging in your ignorance. You bluster and bloviate while obfuscating your lack of knowledge in torrents of bullshit. You willingly partake in trolling and insults yet whine when they are used on you. So, what does it matter other than demonstrating your willful ignorance on an issue? You manage to use more verbiage than almost anyone I've ever seen to say so little.
So what exactly do you want from me?
How about you be concise and honest for once, eh?
No guarantees on being concise. I try to be thorough.
Where in the discussion today have I not been honest?
He’s not capable.
Leave, and never come back.
“So what was this, 20-30 posts of trolling and insults, that could have been all avoided…….”
Yes, we’re tired of your behavior. So stop posting on Reason and never come back. You belong with your fellow travelers at someplace like WaPo.
rush in to defend Joe.
Like where I said this?
"But it could be that a good portion of it was unconstitutional, and if so, that is wrong."
Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t! Guess we’ll never know! Just asking questions here, right?
Guess we’ll never know!
No - I think we can know, which is why I'm asking for some sources so that we can try to figure it out.
I'm absolutely willing to believe that some of it is unconstitutional. But I would like to have a firm base of knowledge upon which to make that determination. Wouldn't you?
Or do you simply say "well, it's a Biden student loan forgiveness program, Jesse said it's unconstitutional so therefore it must be so"?
Nobody’s forcing you to remain ignorant.
His religious beliefs in leftism forces just that.
Fuck off cunt, you're looking to deflect and call the whole thing fine if even a single dollar is legitimate. There isn't a reason to bring any of this up if you cannot cite the actual value of the "correction" (ie, not a redefinition to squeeze more in) versus the total amount.
you’re looking to deflect and call the whole thing fine if even a single dollar is legitimate.
Like where I said this?
"But it could be that a good portion of it was unconstitutional, and if so, that is wrong."
There isn’t a reason to bring any of this up if you cannot cite the actual value of the “correction” (ie, not a redefinition to squeeze more in) versus the total amount.
I would like to understand the truth of the matter, wouldn't you?
I heard something similar, that the majority of people getting this round of loan forgiveness were already eligible due to income or place of employment.
As far as the legality goes, that is judged by the political tribe doing it, not the law itself. You should know this by now.
Yes. You have the same leftist narrative sources as Jeff. We know. Note neither of you bother to back up your assertions.
And the source for your claim is...?
Likely Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity.
I think he likely did hear it somewhere on social media, but hey I'm willing to listen to some credible source.
And what, do tell, is your definition of "credible source"? You've been given some in the past just for you to dismiss.
Well, the most credible source would of course be the primary source material. Why don't you start there?
We've given you such in the past. You've rejected it fairly consistently for some reason or another.
I do all the time, and so what you've done here in the past is search up partisan sites with news stories on the primary source material and attack that instead.
You're really quite something, Jeffy.
Let’s try again:
The article about the UN instructing governments how to control their citizens speech had a link to the primacy source in the first paragraph. He refused to read it.
I did read it. You were the one who refused to read it.
So do you have the primary source material, or not?
We’ve given you such in the past. You’ve rejected it fairly consistently for some reason or another.
All you have to say is that you have no interest in providing a source, all you care to do in this conversation is criticize me, and that would be more honest. Plus it would save time.
I read the beginning of it liar. I even quoted the intro liar. It was bullshit about misinformation and disinformation liar. And you never refuted anything in the article that was discussing it.
As usual, you’re just being a dishonest lefty bullshitter and other than pour sarc everyone here knows it. You’re a clown.
Do you see the irony in that statement?
From what I can tell when a source says something you don't like you say it's not credible, and when you like what a source says then you say it's credible.
Heads I win; tails you lose.
The article about the UN instructing governments how to control their citizens speech had a link to the primacy source in the first paragraph. He refused to read it.
Guess the edit isn’t working.
Anyway wrong place for this comment.
You literally just said information was false because of Hannity and Tucker dumbass.
Here is the funny part. You and Jeff refuse to read links to read information.
The rest of us always read your links and point out the issues or counter information. Ask Shrike.
This is projection buddy.
Sarc, do you still wonder why people call you a leftist? Youre defending you and Jeff from pushing a bald leftist narrative using a common leftist strawman of Hannity and Tucker. And unfounded attempt at an ad hominem mind you, most every leftist utilizes.
Thanks for once again demonstrating why you're called a leftist.
Your own comment record speaks for itself.
I'm just repeating what I heard.
Was it from Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity?
You're as stupid as R Mac.
Well, do you have a source (any source)? If so, post the cite and the link.
I can't post or cite the radio.
My comment to Dlam was referencing the fact that neither he nor R Mac know what the word "likely" means.
Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity usually have their transcripts posted online.
I never questioned the use of any word, just wondering where you “heard” it.
Fuck off you drunken pussy.
Tucker Carlson’s show is on Twitter now. It would be very easy to cite.
And do you really think people here are watching or listening to Sean Hannity? Please say yes.
Sarc will never provide his sources. It is always vague and nebulous. It is amazing.
Just like last week when he refused to cite his evidence a Kirby press conference was fake. Despite being given a link to the video he claimed was fake.
The actual press conference video drop was slow played because it was amusing seeing the level of smugness rise. But who knows, maybe Tulpa was running his account that day after having hacked it.
“I’d just like to see a breakdown of how much of it, if any, was legal and how much of it was not.”
HONK HONK!
Ya know what? I apologize. I should never have asked for clarification on some action taken by a Democrat. I should simply assume that whenever a Democrat does something, it is wrong and evil and unconstitutional, and if anyone is pushing a narrative that complies with this assumption, I should let it go unchallenged, because pushing narratives about how terrible Democrats are is more important than seeking the truth.
On the other hand, if it is some action taken by a Republican, then we ought to do our due diligence and understand it fully, because sometimes it is good and sometimes it is bad. Sometimes they mean well, sometimes they don't! We can't just automatically assume they are terrible awful people, like we can with Democrats.
"STOP ATTACKING THE DEMOCRATS!!!! SURE YOU ALL SHIT CONSTANTLY ON THE GOPe AND THE NEOCONS BUT YOU'RE ALL REPUBLIKKKANS!!!!"
You would have been better off calling us "MAGA" or "Populists" or some other name that sounds super-bad to DNC shills like you.
So your response to me calling you a clown is to make up more bullshit.
Oh you are right, I screwed up again. Obviously I should have done what you did, and just kept my mouth shut and let questionable statements remain unchallenged if they are helpful to my cause. Who cares if people believe in lies, as long as those lies help the cause of liberty, right?
“I mean, as we all learned from the COVID lockdowns, noble lies in the pursuit of a greater good are totally awesome, right?”
Amazing.
You are advocating for "noble lies" right here. If Jesse's claim is that all of the student loan forgiveness that the Biden admin has approved is unconstitutional, then based on what I have found, that claim is not just false, but a lie because Jesse knows better. However, it's a claim that advances the interests of liberty, insofar as a belief in the lie deters support for these types of wealth redistribution schemes, so why wouldn't libertarians just perpetuate the lie? Hmm? I'm opposing this garbage and all you do is throw shit at me. Why aren't you also opposing the "noble lies" here, just like you opposed the "noble lies" of the COVID lockdowns? Because you are an unprincipled fraud and a troll.
Bullshit.
That is what you are doing, implicitly. When Jesse says something false about Biden or Democrats, but it nevertheless propagates a libertarian-friendly narrative, and I say something to object to Jesse's false claim, you sure do seem ready to lambaste me for my objection. What is that if not a defense of Jesse's "noble lies"?
Take a look at what happened today:
Jesse claimed that Biden's student loan forgiveness programs are unconstitutional.
He doesn't present any evidence for his claim.
On the other hand, I present evidence which casts doubt on this claim.
Now, it would be nice if Jesse's claim was true, wouldn't it? Because if it were true, then it would cast Biden and the Democrats in an even worse light. Wouldn't that be a victory for liberty?
And so, predictably, what did you do. You rushed to defend Jesse's lies and attack me for criticizing Jesse's lies.
You defended the noble lie. You pulled a Fauci. Own up to what you are doing.
Nope. You’re full of shit Lying Jeffy.
I mean, as we all learned from the COVID lockdowns, noble lies in the pursuit of a greater good are totally awesome, right?
Just like when anyone posts anything authored by the UN. Any good libertarian ought to ignore it, because it is likely to be anti-liberty and bullshit. I mean, we don't know for certain, because we wouldn't have read it, but who cares? It's the fucking UN. They suck. We don't need them. Ignorance is our strength.
It’s the fucking UN. They suck.
Yeah, if it's one thing a "radical individualist" would do, it's defend a global world order organization.
Who wants to live in a world without the UN telling its member nations how to control their citizens speech?
All hail radical managerialism!
And here we go again. Saying "I normally don't agree with them but I am willing to listen to what they say" is not the same as defending them.
What if what they say has no actual value?
It’s not about normally agreeing or disagreeing with them.
IT’S NOT THE UNITED NATIONS FUCKING ROLE TO TELL GOVERNMENTS HOW TO CONTROL CITIZEN’S SPEECH. FUCK OFF SLAVER!
It’s not about normally agreeing or disagreeing with them.
Is that why you refused to read their report?
Are you really this dense or just being dishonest?
My claim is that the government guaranteeing student loans in the first place is unconstitutional.
And yes, taking my money from me to give to rich kids that took on stupid debt is unconstitutional.
Ah, I see the problem. An individualist can see the objective reality that the loan program in its entirety is unconstitutional. A typical collectivist thinks that since they can get away with it because it falls within the framework of current law and the Supreme Court hasn't stopped it, it's totes constitutional.
An individualist can see the objective reality that the loan program in its entirety is unconstitutional.
That's not "objective reality". That is a belief, a conclusion based on evidence.
All I am trying to do in this discussion is to uncover facts. How about you?
Maybe this is why the dollars in my wallet are shrinking. Though the shrinkage in my pants pocket could be due to just seeing a photo of Dr. Jill Biden.
Tulsi Gabbard could potentially be the cure to both of your ailments.
I hear Susanna Gibson's looking for work.
I hear she's great at fundraising.
She is looking for donations from those with large endowments.
You just need to start using the 'objective facts' provided by the Biden Administration.
Then your 'shared understanding of reality' would let you understand that you chocolate ration changing from 30 grams to 20 grams *is an increase!*
Every single one of my new student loan payment statement envelopes, since the moratorium ended, has been over 50% filled with material regarding various programs to lower my payments or fully or partially cancel my debt.
Rather odd behavior from a lender.
Ditto. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it, I make WAY too much money to qualify.
So you see the changes to the programs Joe is making in order to get around the USSC, yet right above you claim it was just fixing errors for people already eligible. Weird.
You know it’s all a lie when he claims to make too much money.
If you are half as poor as you are stupid, you must be living in squalor.
Ah yes, ideas.
A former homeless drunk that burned steaks as a cook is suddenly making 6 figures. Sounds plausible.
Wasn't sudden. Took years.
Sure pussy. Years of severe alcohol abuse to reinforce the delusion that your welfare check is a ‘six figure income’.
Let’s be fair. He did once stay a weekend in a half million dollar lakefront rental home.
It required others chipping in for that trip mind you.
I’m pretty sure that too was a drunken delusion. With the ‘lakefront home’ being a piss soaked alley behind some dive bar. The ‘cool dudes’ were likely the other hobos.
I’m sure he was sleeping off a half gallon bottle of the cheapest booze he could buy.
Lol. I didn't want to point that out to him.
I didn't make a claim beyond "this is what I heard."
Funny how you can't even repeat a single sentence without being a piece of shit liar.
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And the source for your claim is…?
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sarcasmic 14 mins ago
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Likely Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity.
Where did you hear this?
like·ly
adjective
1. such as well might happen or be true; probable.
"it was likely that he would make a televised statement"
I'm not claiming anything as fact, rather saying something is probable. Learn the English fucking language you illiterate boor.
Keep spinning clown.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded
Sarc should try spending a year dead, for tax purposes. Maybe it will take
I call bullshit. No way your welfare check is ‘too much’ for anything. It clearly doesn’t even cover your bottom shelf liquor consumption.
I've mostly thrown it away, but yeah, unless you work in some preferred field deemed public service, like teaching or nursing or for the government, the qualification limits are far too low to affect me.
Not that I'm trying to lower my payments. On the contrary, I've been trying to raise them. (Successfully now that the payments have restarted)
but as sarc always tells us, Joe recognizes the constitution
To anyone new to the comments, whenever JesseAz invokes my name he is always lying. If he told the truth he'd probably have an aneurism. Truth is that I once pointed out that Biden said something along the lines of "The Constitution says I can't do that" while Trump said something like "The Constitution says I can do whatever I want." I was pointing out that at least Biden gives lip-service to the Constitution, while Trump acts like a petulant child. Being the piece of shit liar that he is, JesseAz claims I say this all the time when it's he who says it all the time, while always ignoring what Trump said.
And then Biden did exactly what the Constitution said he could not do. Trump did not.
And then Biden did exactly what the Constitution said he could not do.
Yup. A politician didn't keep his word. Shocking, isn't it?
Trump did not.
That all depends on who you ask.
And what is your cite that Trump acted outside the Constitution? We have ample evidence of Biden doing so with student loan forgiveness.
Oh come on. Just google it and you'll get a million hits.
What does it matter? Seems like your goal here is to somehow prove I was wrong when I quoted the two men, based upon what has happened since. So fucking what? It doesn't change what they said. I'm sure you're employing some logical fallacy here but I'm not going to put in the effort to identify it.
Just google it and you’ll get a million hits.
Most of which tends to be Democrats merely posting slander and rumors that have never been true. They hate the man (TDS is a bitch, isn't it?) and will do or say anything due to their blind hatred.
Meanwhile Trump's Deranged Followers (TDS is a bitch, isn't it) believe the man never did anything wrong, and anyone who says different is mentally ill. Oh the irony...
However, there are not many (if any) of those here. A number of us either didn't vote for the man the first time, or never voted for the man. Some of us even despise having to be put in a position to defend the man. Yet, if we don't here, we see the erosion of the rule of law and the erosion of equal treatment under the law.
Sarc has long made it clear that if you treat Trump fairly at all, that means you not only voted for him but want him to be Fuhrer and Ayatollah combined.
Some of us even despise having to be put in a position to defend the man. Yet, if we don’t here, we see the erosion of the rule of law and the erosion of equal treatment under the law.
Why is this true only for Trump?
Why is this not true for any person you don't particularly agree with?
Wouldn't it also be equally true that "even though you despise Biden, if you don't defend Biden, you would see the erosion of the rule of law and the erosion of equal treatment under the law"? Or substitute Obama, Bush, etc.
Why is this not true for any person you don’t particularly agree with?
I never said it wasn't true, even if I'm not fond of the person. Personally, I'm not fond of Trump, but the witch hunt is ridiculous.
Wouldn’t it also be equally true that “even though you despise Biden, if you don’t defend Biden, you would see the erosion of the rule of law and the erosion of equal treatment under the law”? Or substitute Obama, Bush, etc.
I would defend Biden from it, were it shown to be a witch hunt. The problem here is that, instead of a witch hunt, it's more of a coverup by the press. They run interference for the man.
Back about 20 years ago, we had a governor by the name of George Ryan. He was a Republican, and was governor from 1998-2002. Prior to that, he was secretary of state (SOS). Now, in Illinois, the SOS handles the motor vehicle and driver licensing functions. Ryan' office had been selling CDLs for campaign contributions during his tenure as SOS. I wasn't fond of Ryan, but I championed the prosecution as Ryan was filthier than sin and the evidence was obvious (as obvious as it is currently for Biden and his son). I didn't care what political stripe he was, Ryan was a filthy rat who earned his place in a federal pen.
That said, all prosecutions need to go through proper due diligence and due process, regardless of how obvious the guilt is. Should Biden be indicted for what he has done, it should be done with proper due process, instead of having a judge who is so obviously playing sides, you'd swear that if he were a referee, he'd be wearing team colors.
It is good to see that you support getting rid of corrupt politicians even Republican ones.
I do note, however, in the above discussion, that you seemed to be incredulous to the idea that Trump violated the Constitution while he was president. Here's a partial list of candidate offenses for you to consider.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/exit-survey-trumps-constitutional-misdeeds
The bumpstock ban was criticized by many of us at the time, Lying Jeffy. You’ll keep ignoring that though.
Having acting directors for too long was particularly atrocious though.
No pussy, Trump made a number of mistakes. Some glaring. Like allowing democrat trash like you, Jeffy and Pluggo to live.
Who said Trump never did anything wrong?
Do you have a citation for your strawman sarc?
Fucking edit doesn't work. Replace "Followers" with "Supporters."
Yeah, the edit function needs repair this morning.
Why are you not able to defend your bald assertions?
I'm lying?
sarcasmic 4 months ago
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Why wouldn’t there be? Despite all his faults, at least Biden recognizes the Constitution. Can’t say the same about Trump.
You even know I have this bookmark. How fucking pathalogical are you?
In that thread you double and triple down that Biden follows the constitution even. Lol.
Youre so full of shit sarc. You even get called out for putting words over actions and then deny you are doing so. Here is the link. You look fucking terrible in it.
https://reason.com/2023/08/07/hollow-major-parties-preside-over-a-politics-of-fear-and-loathing/?comments=true#comment-10186871
So another clear example of you lying about your past statements as well as motivation. Because youre pathalogical.
To anyone new to the comments, Sarc is a thoroughly discredited leftist, rageaholic who often posts while getting blackout drunk. Earlier this year he he drunkenly threatened me with violence then hid from me for months afterwards. As he is a massive, gutless pussy. He is also an inveterate liar. Obsessed with Jesse AZ, who frequently points out Sarc’s stream of dishonesty. This is why he’s falsely claiming Jesse is a liar.
Sarc is a bottom feeding, drunk troll who won’t go away. Everyone here hates him except the pedophile, and the really fat pedophile. Yet we are the closest thing he has to friends.
Will the Climate Deal Do Anything?
Will it do anything for climate change? No.
Will it do anything for bloviating politicians? Yes.
What will it do for them?
Further enrich.
They've collectively reasoned that it will make themselves much, much richer.
Travel and fine dining perks.
It won’t do anything for climate change because the climate evolves naturally, irrespective of human activity or the wish dreams of Marxist politicians, or their morbidly obese groomer Marxist drones.
Harvard cancels conservative event 2 days after congressional hearings.
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Two days after Claudine Gay claimed that genocidal rhetoric might be protected speech at Harvard because that’s how committed she is to free speech, her university canceled an event featuring a congressman who’d mocked …. Harvard cancel culture.
And? When it comes to genocide and free speech, Republicans aren't a genus to be genocided the way Mexican is a race for Trump to be racist in opposing immigration.
Seriously, these people aren't going to stop until they've pushed the pendulum all the way back to the point where they're the ones getting punched in the face and, even then, they'll use it to score victim credit points.
This whole "free speech on college campuses no matter what!" thing has been purely a "a broken clock is right twice a day" situation.
What did you guys do with FoE?
He’s having trouble adjusting to the whole daylight savings time thing.
We beat him to the punch is what we did.
I’m the staffer at Koch Industries identified above. I get to comment on articles before they get posted.
He's probably stuck on the PA turnpike.
Ouch, that's a pricey place to be.
I believe it is the 5th circle of Hell.
You’ve Got a Friend in Pennsylvania…because he’s indentured there until he pays off his turnpike tolls.
Wow, I just realized why the beltway in DC is roughly circular.
shift away from fossil fuels this decade … and to quit adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere entirely by midcentury,
And billions of people will starve.
That *is* the plan.
Has been for some time:
https://realclimatescience.com/2023/11/un-1991-we-must-eliminate-350000-people-per-day/#gsc.tab=0
Not even the Nazi's were that ambitious.
Not going to reach the UN/WEF target omelet of 500 million people by 2100, without breaking 7 billion eggs.
Feature not bug, to these monsters. The people who will starve are poor and out of sight of the wealthy elite when attended the event.
And billions of people will also rebel.
I mean, ..... hopefully? I wouldn't really bet on it though.
Hopefully. The problem is, do most understand what is actually going on? Is there even a critical mass that understands the issue?
Watching your children starve is a helluva motivator.
You would've thought that putting a diaper on your child's face was a motivator too, but people gladly did (and still do).
You would’ve thought that putting a diaper on your child’s face was a motivator too, but people gladly did (and still do).
Sure, but millions of Americans refused diapers and jabs. These Americans are also armed and would kill for their families. Don't expect them to go quietly into the night.
Pretty sure this will be the next level of virtue signaling for the wokies after chemical/surgical mutilation of their own children.
Chemjeff approves. As it is more 55 gallon drums of Ben & Jerry’s for him.
I would. If the French, yellow vests, could muster the fortitude to rebel against these types of laws, it gives me hope.
Neither critical mass of understanding, nor motivation are my main concerns. Capability of billions to rebel in the third word, (many of whom are already starving) I think would be the primary roadblock.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/how-sri-lankan-protests-unfolded-2022-07-22/
Don't forget the Dutch.
You're going to get Nigel Powers worked up.
Peole should be rebelling now. Why wait for starvation? The Davos crowd should, be hunted.
And many of those people in our own country are more concerned about not saying anything to upset the people who support their oppressors than avoiding that fate. If the average American had any sense, democrats would be hunted to extinction.
Why has no clandestine service organization, like Mossad, eliminated Klaus Schwab, George Soros, etc.? That would save a lot of lives
"so as to achieve net zero by 2050 in keeping with the science."
"So as to achieve holiness throughout the nation in keeping with scripture."
The new papal enclaves remind me of the old.
I love pointing this out to the lefties I know. Throw in some penance comparisons and watch them seethe.
Carbon Credits are basically indulgences.
Okay, where can we find some climate Wycliffe, Hus and Luthers?
And where do we nail the thesis to?
These very cerebral foreheads for starters:
https://twitter.com/LexitMovement1/status/1735012468693553431
Recite 20 Hail-Faucis and pray for forgiveness.
Jeffy says the modern world is no longer guided by religious mumbo jumbo.
But should be by collective consensus.
Covid lockdowns had a 'catastrophic effect' on the UK's social fabric and the most disadvantaged are no better off now than at the time of the financial crash,
So covid lockdowns were a social justice program designed to bring equity to the disadvantage?
Equity is always achieved by bringing those who succeed down to the levels of those who don't. See any socialist paradise.
(Certain successful people will be exempt, of course).
You were also exempt from the lockdowns if you were protesting the right thing. Hell, protesting the right thing even LOWERS the covid infection count. https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/
It might be true. Doing nothing probably would have lowered the number of covid infections as well.
Didn't think this would happen to them.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ibm-slapped-federal-civil-rights-complaint-after-racist-ceos-obviously-illegal-hiring
Skin color is the most important thing
I thought genital identify was currently more important than color?
He also said that “Asians are not an underrepresented minority in tech in America…I’m not going to finess this, for blacks we should try to get towards 13 percent.”
One of the more interesting aspects of Hollywood propaganda, and this goes back to fucking Die Hard all the way up to that dumb Robyn Hood teevee show, is that your average tech genius character should preferably be black.
Yet, for all the black people who are actually in the industry, which LOVES to virtue-signal about inclusivity, it's notable that they aren't actually at the forefront of a lot of actual tech innovations. When they're featured, it's mostly about various grifter outreach programs, not technological research and development.
Ironically, Krishna is basically following a standard EEOC pretense dating back to the 70s that said workforces needed to reflect established ethnic percentages. So him stating that 13% of the company workforce needed to be black made sense in that regard.
Too bad a similar policy on percantages can't be applied to modern commercial actors.
Yet, for all the black people who are actually in the industry, which LOVES to virtue-signal about inclusivity, it’s notable that they aren’t actually at the forefront of a lot of actual tech innovations. When they’re featured, it’s mostly about various grifter outreach programs, not technological research and development.
...
Too bad a similar policy on percantages can’t be applied to modern commercial actors.
Whaddyatalkinabout? I'm a member of the tech elite after Amazon gave me this job that I didn't care one wit about until they promised to pay me more to quit working in their warehouse. Now, rather than being just some middle-aged craft Mom designing buttons and flair as a side gig, I'm a fully engaged, highly paid, highly valued part of the highly technical trade of designing UI buttons and flair.
Or the infamous Adria Richards, who worked as a "developer evangelist."
"Too bad a similar policy on [percentages] can’t be applied to:"
...professional sports. I want to see 5 foot tall Asians playing in the NBA!
...TV newscasters. I want to see ugly stutterers reading the news.
...Politics. How many autistics should be in Congress? How many with Downs Syndrome? (If you ever voted for Biden or Harris, you can't claim that they are unqualified because of stupidity.)
Why do we let these people live?
The NAP?
Anarchists don't necessarily follow the NAP.
13%? At IBM that's 37479 employees. Going to be the world's biggest DEI department. I wonder if Herr Krishna, being Asian and all, is going to fire himself?
Attempting to dismantle the censorship-industrial complex.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ready-rumble-lawsuits-against-censorship-industrial-complex-heat-after-musk-kicks-open
Who gets killed first, musk or trump?
Trump.
They won't off Musk right now because they need him still. They're more likely to force him to publicly recant if possible.
Trump, on the other hand, they want dead yesterday.
Trump lost his "made man" status when he went after Obama. Musk hasn't quite gotten to that point because Bob Iger doesn't have those same progressive stack protections, especially after the recent Hollywood strikes, and the US government hasn't found a reliable alternative for his Falcon rockets to get our satellites into space.
The one against Rumble is notable because they will allow a lot of stuff that the trannie jannies at YouTube will nuke. Twitch, which is notably a tranny streamer haven, was also notably left alone in this little repressive tolerance crusade.
we learned that the Biden administration collaborated with Twitter to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story
Didn't that happen before there was a Biden administration?
It wasn't exactly a one and done thing.
The new machine in town.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-teachers-union-affiliates-biggest-spenders-on-chicago-politics/
AI applications are cool, but this news channel doesn't look very good
Good enough for porn.
Digital manipulation
Either way, with AI, I know it when I see it.
🙂
😉
"Digital manipulation"
All ten of them.
Artificial Insertion?
Voting for the system that milks and bilks you.
https://johnkassnews.com/there-are-no-victims-of-the-system/
I know a white woman,married to a black man, who lives in a black neighborhood in South side Chicago. She was complaining about her recent reassessment and tax bill increase. Yearly she'll pay three hundred and 50 dollars.
""Covid lockdowns had a 'catastrophic effect' on the UK's social fabric and the most disadvantaged are no better off now than at the time of the financial crash, a new report claims," per The Guardian."
I guess the media fully dropped the "lockdowns didn't actually happen" thing. That's good, it didn't really have that much traction anyway and it's a better idea to wait a bit before gaslighting everyone.
"...The resolution calls for "transitioning away from fossil fuels … in a just, orderly and equitable manner … so as to achieve net zero by 2050 in keeping with the science."..."
Science is a process; it requires theorical claims, which are then tested and found to be true or false. If they are true, they advance knowledge in that field.
So far, in the 30 years of whining about 'the climate', not one single specific prediction has been found to be true.
This is not science, this is a post-mosaic religion, and I'm an atheist.
This is not science, this is a post-mosaic religion, and I’m an atheist.
Heretic.
You are not allowed to be an atheist to the climate change cult.
Even worse, you could be named a “denier”.
Heh. Been there, done that, got the fucking T-shirt. Why? Because I've dared to question their models in the past; note the omission of the Roman Warm Period, Medieval Warm Period, and Little Ice Age in their data; and point out to them the concentrations of CO2 found in the geologic record that are substantially higher than current.
a single failed prediction is enough to prove a hypothesis false.
Ken Ribet predicted, under the hypothesis that Fermat's Last Theorem is false, that immodular semistable elliptic curves existed. When Andrew Wiles proved that all semistable elliptic curves are modular, that was enough to show that Fermat's Last Theorem is true.
UNEP published a theorem showing that climate change would result in 50 million climate refugees by 2010.
https://ethicsalarms.com/2011/04/17/global-warming-advocates-flunk-ethics-and-credibility-again/
Except Ken Ribet was correct that IF Fermat's last theorem is false, then the other stuff follows.
Scientific theories (there are no theorems in science) that fail are just wrong.
Not to mention that science and politics shouldn't mix. Even if/when "The Science" is correct politicians have no business using it to further their own agendas.
Our generated anchors deliver stories that are informative, heartfelt and entertaining.
Skynet is your trusted source for news.
It's wild how there's an entire planning consulting industry that basically exists to help California cities subvert state housing law.
No, it's not that wild at all.
The resolution calls for "transitioning away from fossil fuels … in a just, orderly and equitable manner … so as to achieve net zero by 2050 in keeping with the science."
Nice try. We have 12 years to save the planet and that was six years ago.
The Ghost of Climate Change Furture.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/66890686@N02/51686573242/in/dateposted-public/
"San Francisco Supervisor Dean Preston—who represents District 5, which encompasses the Tenderloin—says the homelessness problem is "absolutely the result of capitalism." He blamed landlords and downplayed issues with drug use and psychosis."
AFAICT, there is not one single elected official in the SF city government who has ever held a real job; one where your performance (or lack thereof) can get you fired. Let alone managed any sort of business whatsoever.
Preston's concept of capitalism came from Disney comic books with Scrouge McDuck swimming it a pool full of gold coins.
From Wiki
"Personal life
Preston is married.[1] He and his wife live in a single family house in the Alamo Square neighborhood in San Francisco.[1] He has been on the board of the Alamo Square Neighborhood Association.[92] In the early 2000s, he worked to stop fast-food franchises such as Burger King and Domino's from moving into Alamo Square.[92] Preston’s house is worth $2.7 million, the most of any supervisor, and he owns stock shares valued between $400,000 and $4 million in Apple, Microsoft, IBM and Cisco"
A regular Nieman-Marxist.
But he hasn't forgotten the little people. He cares. He's often heard promoting that they be fed cake.
The GOP has been divided over how to extend section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Not if? That would be nice.
You can't repeal without a replacement plan. Do you even Read the articles?
WHO WILL PAY FOR THESE TAX CUTS?
San Francisco Supervisor Dean Preston—who represents District 5, which encompasses the Tenderloin—says the homelessness problem is "absolutely the result of capitalism." He blamed landlords and downplayed issues with drug use and psychosis.
Now you know why San Francisco won't solve it's homelessness problem with wonky tweaks to zoning.
You have to love how his argument goes:
a) The homelessness problem is obviously the fault of his ideological enemies.
b) It's not even really a problem, actually.
What's next? c) Here's why it's a good thing: ?
"Yeah, I mean, I don't even think it's a problem, but if you do, then it's clearly the other guy's fault." "Yeah, the guy who hasn't been in charge here in 60, 75 years."
...a toll schedule that will charge the average driver $15 to enter lower Manhattan during peak times...
Making allowances of course for times when roads are blocked for the latest DEI soyboy cuck fad.
The BLM banner on 5th Avenue is still closed.
This is like the Oscars for Journalists.
...as the first steps in President Javier Milei's shock-therapy program...
Does he not know that the first thing you do when entering office is deploy the diversity zampolits to all federal agencies and the second thing you do is exactly the same thing your predecessors did?
Covid lockdowns had a 'catastrophic effect' on the UK's social fabric and the most disadvantaged are no better off now than at the time of the financial crash...
In other news, the deadliest strain of COVID is being reported next door to you and is killing your neighbors. Drastic measures are needed.
Not close enough to the election yet.
Reposting this again... All Things Considered, unreleased interview with the Reason crew... WITH SPECIAL CAMEO!
Which Reason staffer are you?
Staffer: Yes sir. I’ll spam the unreleased Reason editors interview in the comments section.
...Harvard had been investigating plagiarism allegations against its president, Claudine Gay, for some time now.
Ask the Egyptian air force how devastating the Jews' preemptive strikes can be.
Right on cue, caring about plagiarism has been added to the "white supremacist agenda".
Goddamn this is fun.
Harvard tried to claim that she forgot to use quotation marks in 2 instances and had 2 more instances of 'improper citations'. In just 2 papers.
When in fact what the Post was investigating was 27 instances of direct plagiarism across several peer-reviewed published academic papers and at least one magazine article over a 24-year period.
At Columbia, students seem to think they can go on tuition strike with no consequences.
I'm assuming they're right.
At Brown, meanwhile, 41 students were arrested and booked earlier this week for a sit-in at which they demanded an Israel-Hamas ceasefire.
Do they not offer any electives that teach how the world works? I don't recall being an infant when I was in college.
"Do they not offer any electives that teach how the world works?"
I think them getting arrested for protesting is their first lesson.
That is part of civil disobedience.
He blamed landlords and downplayed issues with drug use and psychosis.
I certainly would hope an official in San Francisco would have exactly this level of understanding of basic economics.
It's wild how there's an entire planning consulting industry that basically exists to help California cities subvert state housing law.
I'm sure their lobbyists are very good at creating that housing law.
San Francisco Supervisor Dean Preston—who represents District 5, which encompasses the Tenderloin—says the homelessness problem is "absolutely the result of capitalism." He blamed landlords and downplayed issues with drug use and psychosis.
It's the landlords' fault... in a city where the landlords have almost no control or oversight of their own properties.
"Argentina devalued the peso by 54%, overhauled its crawling peg and announced massive spending cuts to eliminate its primary fiscal deficit next year as the first steps in President Javier Milei's shock-therapy program," reports Bloomberg.
Another beauty:
On his first day of office, newly elected Libertarian President Javier Milei cut the number of Argentina government ministries in half
Dude cut more actual government spending in 24 hours than the entire GOP establishment has managed to accomplish in the last 60 years, including that dumb "Women, Genders, and Diversity" office that was probably a sop for WEF good boi points. Those jobbers can't even get a single cabinet department slashed.
So far, I'm impressed enough. I wouldn't mind seeing something happen like that here.
What, you mean 130% inflation so you could then have someone come in to stop it?
We already have high inflation. That said, I'd love to see the federal agencies and departments either whittled down or eliminated altogether.
What? The shit show we got in, and emanating from D.C. isn't a problem?
This guy is a super hero
I'm sure the same institutional factors that allowed Argentina to get into so much trouble also allow them to get out of it quickly. I wouldn't wish it.
Hope he has someone taste his food before he eats.
At Columbia, students seem to think they can go on tuition strike with no consequences.
Didn't the Biden administration strike on their behalf?
San Francisco Supervisor Dean Preston—who represents District 5, which encompasses the Tenderloin—says the homelessness problem is "absolutely the result of capitalism." He blamed landlords and downplayed issues with drug use and psychosis.
There is no free market for housing, so I have no idea how it can be the fault of capitalism. There is strict government interference and regulation in what you can do with housing, how it can be built, where it can be built, what criteria it needs to adhere to. And beyond that, they've made being a landlord so unappealing that it's very difficult to profit from. If you have a non-paying tenant, you can't evict them. You have to continue providing services and utilities to that tenant.
You don't have control over your own property because the government tells you that you simply CAN'T do what you with it. That poor tenant who is being actively destructive to the property, who is creating noxious odors, who isn't paying you, and who is a drain on your resources, THEY have property interests in your property. Oh, sure, it's probably your fault for renting to them, despite the fact that you only let them rent because you were forced to meet a specific quota.
Government poisons your crops, burns down your barn, shoots your milk cow, releases toxins into your well, and steals all your chickens, then says, "SEE, we TOLD you that you weren't doing agriculture right!"
Fascism could be to blame, which is capitalism adjacent.
For those not entering via bridge or tunnel, how, technically, is the CBD entering-or-remaining toll going to be billed?
Plate scanners is one way.
If I recall correctly, electronic toll gates like those found on various tollways (example from Singapore on a city street: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_toll_collection#/media/File:ERPBugis.JPG) will be installed just south of 60th Street in Manhattan. Electronic toll gates will also be installed on the currently free bridges such as the Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan Bridge, and Williamsburg Bridge. The wild card is the Queensboro Bridge which enters Manhattan at 60th Street. The tolls will be collected via EZ Pass (and compatible systems like SunPass Pro).
I hope the businesses and restaurants are prepared for the "fuck that I'm staying in the suburbs" decline in revenue.
I'm willing to wager that that will be the case. Or the, "fuck it, I'm staying in Brooklyn/Queens/Staten Island/Bronx" factor too. They'll get the full charge as well for driving into Manhattan south of 60th Street.
>>At Columbia, students seem to think they can go on tuition strike with no consequences.
I have worked with exactly one person who attended Columbia, and exactly one person who thought enough of herself she threw a 3-ring binder at me and believed it appropriate office behavior.
Oh yeah? Happy Gilmore took off his skate and tried to stab a guy with it.
are you watching the new season of Fargo? efficient use of skate as weapon in the first episode.
This sounds like a great story. What lead up to the throw?
literally (and millenialliterally) asked her to do "a favor for me" that was already part of her job and made completion of my job impossible. I don't think she liked me as a person which was totally on her I'm awesome.
>>And even more on double standards for university presidents in the era of wokeness:
I assume the early days of the Colosseum were confusing to attendants as well.
Especially the participants.
exactly.
"The sweeping agreement, which comes during the hottest year in recorded history, was reached on Wednesday," reports The New York Times
I wonder if the Newspaper of Record (TM) ever feels embarrassed by their evolution into cheerleaders for Our Democracy (TM) instead of actually, you know, investigative journalism?
"Johnson had been intending to see which bill garnered more support among his party and send that one to the Senate. This plan fell apart."
Where's the hard-hitting investigative journalism that explains HOW "this plan fell apart?" If Johnson pulled both bills from the floor to promote the default position of sunsetting Section 702 that's a good sign. If he pulled both bills so he could broker a behind-the-scenes deal that violates his promise to open debate in the House on controversial issues, then it would be a very discouraging step back to the Imperial Speakership.
Probably the latter, but at least the former is a small possibility, unlike the last speaker.
The absolute state of academia, Brooks Simpson edition:
"So let me get this straight:
Republicans assault a President who cares about his son, claiming there's more to be seen there...
...but support a man who cheats on his wives, dumps on his sons, and wants to date his oldest daughter.
And they are the traditional values party?"
Yeah, Brooks, nothing says "traditional values" like enabling your crackhead son's destructive habits, including fucking your dead son's wife and being a deadbeat dad. And pointing that out is "assaulting" the President, as if he wasn't a shit-talking asshole himself who claimed voting for Romney would put black people back in chains.
But then, your side always was inordinately proud of its own social degeneracy.
the trope that Trump wants to date his own daughter is even more absurd than the "nazis are fine people" hoax. Just ridiculous
And this same tard will parse every utterance of his political opponents for the slightest inaccuracy.
She has the biggest tits, America's tits, very patriotic. China has been killing us in the tits department. Vote for me to bring back America's tradition of... tits. In 2024 we will grab Joe Biden by his bussy. Very bigly. America first.
"the trope that Trump wants to date his own daughter is even more absurd"
It's the hypocrisy of it all that really makes me shake my head. I watched the clip. Trump was bragging about how good looking his kid was. He didn't want to date her. It was obvious to everyone who watched it.
Meanwhile, point out that Joe Biden's daughter actually wrote that her Dad was always trying to take showers with her that she called "inappropriate", and that she would avoid taking showers when he was around, and these same idiots lose their minds.
Gotta love how the only mention of the currently ongoing war crimes against civilians in Gaza is about arrests of college students conducting sit-in protests. I thought, generally speaking, that libertarians understand war to be a racket and a mass murder project of the state. Shame on you Reason, shame. Liz, you have kids. You don't feel any kind of way about what's happening to the kids over there? Your kids don't have to live on a starvation plus diet and worry about US made rockets coming to join you in the living room. You're good, they're good, maybe spare the innocents a thought?
I told you yesterday to take the heroic dose, you simple simon gorilla.
"ongoing war crimes against civilians in Gaza"
Oh?
Like what?
No photos of crying women pretending toy dolls are dead babies, or the same kid in five different hospitals faking five different injuries either please, but real stuff.
Like abducting a peace rave attendee, raping her to death and parading her corpse through the streets. Stuff like that.
At Columbia, students seem to think they can go on tuition strike with no consequences. At Brown, meanwhile, 41 students were arrested and booked earlier this week for a sit-in at which they demanded an Israel-Hamas ceasefire.
Proof of the horrible double standards that are always facing Brown student bodies.
Russia invading a threat which was killing ethnic Russians is bad..Israel invading land and continuing to occupy land and denying the occupied natural rights is good. Interesting how the neocons and their allies the Israeli lobby and US media look at this...
"If we dont' stop them here..." sure corn pop and nuland/kaganovich....Eastern Europe will fall like a set of dominos and Russian Tanks will be crossing the Rhine on the way to Paris. JC how stupid are people. Deport all the neocons....like Italian Mafia bosses who were deported back to Italy, deport them back to Ukraine, Russia, Vienna where ever the hell their commie ancestors came from.
Thank you for starting my day with some-much-needed humor!