Congress Authorized $7.5 Billion for E.V. Chargers. After 2 Years, None Are Built.
More than $2 billion has been distributed, but only two states have even broken ground and most states haven't even submitted proposals.

President Joe Biden has made a transition to electric vehicles (E.V.s) a key part of his presidency, spending billions of dollars both to help companies build them and to help customers afford them.
The 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act included $7.5 billion to build 500,000 public charging stations across the country. Under the program, states can qualify for as much as 80 percent of the cost to build chargers and bring them online. But as Politico reported this week, not a single charger funded by the program is yet operational.
It's the latest setback as Biden attempts to change consumer preference by force rather than allowing the free market to innovate its way there.
Earlier this year, the Environmental Protection Agency mandated that by 2030, half of all vehicles sold in the U.S. must be electric. This will require an enormous ramp-up in resources, especially around charging infrastructure. As Politico notes, "consumer demand for electric vehicles is rising in the United States, necessitating six times as many chargers on its roads by the end of the decade, according to federal estimates."
Other estimates are even more dire: In January, Stephanie Brinley at S&P Global Mobility wrote that "even when home-charging is taken into account, to properly match forecasted sales demand, the United States will need to see the number of EV chargers quadruple between 2022 and 2025, and grow more than eight-fold by 2030." As of this writing, there are just under 158,000 public chargers, meaning there may need to be more than 1 million to support the Biden administration's timeline.
The federal program is off to a slow start: Politico reports that while more than $2 billion has been given out, only two states—Ohio and Pennsylvania—have actually broken ground on chargers, while just six others have awarded contracts. Fewer than half of U.S. states have even submitted a proposal for funds.
What's the hold-up? "The slow rollout…primarily boils down to the difficulties state agencies and charging companies face in meeting a complex set of contracting requirements and minimum operating standards for the federally-funded chargers, according to interviews with state and EV industry officials," the article notes.
Even with federal funds, part of the problem may also be cost, because the chargers are quite expensive to build and maintain. The types of chargers mentioned in the law are either Level 2 or Level 3, also known as Direct Current Fast Charging (DCFC). Level 2 chargers use alternating current electricity and take between four and 10 hours to charge an E.V., while DCFCs use direct current and can charge an E.V. in less than an hour.
Any long-term solution would prioritize DCFCs—no road-tripper will want to wait all day for their car to charge when fueling up a gas burner takes minutes. But DCFCs are considerably more expensive to install: A 2019 study by the Department of Energy found that while Level 2 chargers can cost up to $6,500 to install, DCFCs can cost as much as $40,000. Depending on factors like hardware costs, other estimates have put the price between $50,000 and $100,000.
Maintaining the faster chargers can be quite expensive as well. Mark Mills, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute, wrote in August 2022 that a single DCFC "requires electrical infrastructure equivalent to that needed for 10 homes."
And yet the Biden administration is plowing ahead, apportioning billions of dollars for states to build exorbitantly expensive chargers and requiring half of all cars to be electric by 2030, even as E.V. demand has softened in recent months. In surveys, consumers indicate that higher prices have eclipsed range anxiety as the primary source of their hesitation.
"Implementation is everything," says Bill Klehm, a former Ford Motor Co. executive who is now the CEO of e-bike manufacturer eBliss. Klehm sees "a lack of true coordination with industry and local government."
Contrasting vehicle electrification with the 1960s Space Race, Klehm tells Reason, "There is no overarching plan. You can't just say, 'let's just put charging stations in,' because that isn't the whole story. That is a piece of the other thing, but, how do you make the batteries less expensive? How do you innovate and get the range even longer?" Klehm says that just as President John F. Kennedy set a goal of going to the moon by 1970, Biden needs to inspire both consumers and the industry to jointly pursue vehicle electrification—leading, by extension, to less gas and oil consumption and fewer greenhouse gas emissions.
Ultimately, consumer choices will dictate the future of electric vehicles; if people don't buy them at their current price and with the current technology, then companies will either innovate or come up with something better. By merely subsidizing the current thing, the Biden administration is upholding the status quo and disincentivizing other innovations that could revolutionize the industry and make environmentally-friendly vehicles truly competitive with their gas-burning counterparts.
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Imagine the carbon emission saved by not building these. Genius!
To be fair, not building the chargers probably reduced carbon emissions significantly.
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Fuck off you senile old Marxist piece of shit.
Ultimately, consumer choices will dictate the future of electric vehicles; if people don't buy them at their current price and with the current technology, then companies will either innovate or come up with something better. By merely subsidizing the current thing, the Biden administration is upholding the status quo and disincentivizing other innovations that could revolutionize the industry and make environmentally-friendly vehicles truly competitive with their gas-burning counterparts.
Customers WOULD be overwhelmingly choosing electric cars, but for that $900 labor charge.
Ultimately, consumer choices will dictate the future of electric vehicles because it’s unprecedented in human history for a person who dictates, a “dictator” if you will, to seize power and tell people what they can and can’t do.
Even if such a “dictator” were to seize power, eventually the markets would win. Even if the “dictator” left millions upon millions of bodies in their wake, as long as a market exists on the other end of their "dictatorship", what’s the problem?
Reads like a brief history of the USSR; they should have gone the fascist route, like China.
The Soviet Union invaded China after Fat Man did to Nagasaki what the Nipponese fleet did to Pearl Harbor and Wake. Chinese communism was installed by Russian totalitarians replacing Japanese totalitarians after Qing prohibitionism reduced China to Hoovervilles.
Consumer choices outside the US will dictate future transport choices. The US built its empire on the car and oil and embedded those two in damn near everything. And it was very successful. We may be able to resist changes to what those may become - but we have no ability to innovate to anything new.
If your point were true those other governments wouldn’t have to coerce their citizens to do as their government desires.
It’s revealing all of your errors are the same direction: applauding authoritarian governments and trying to pass off the results as freedom.
You think government was laissez faire re cars/transportation here in the US?
You think trains are a more free travel option than cars? I'd love to hear that argument.
You think government was laissez faire re cars/transportation here in the US?
Trains came BEFORE cars. As did the city version - streetcars. Meaning cars are government spending on top of government spending. Usually as a substitute for paying off the first bonds. But hey as long as you prefer ignorance maybe that means free and freedom.
You have a citation for that?
And horses came before rail. And walking came before horses. And running on all fours came before that. That's a straight non-sequitur.
As for trains versus cars, they both involve government spending on top of government spending.
Your idea to push travel back to the 1800's is a weird fetish. Did you invest in buggy whip manufacturers or something?
He's old enough...
No ability to innovate? That's what the USA is best at.
Electric vehicle adoption won't be driven by consumer choice, it will be driven by unrealistic and uneconomic government mandates, such as corporate average fuel economy standards. They've already raised those high enough that hybrid cars are being kicked to the curb, despite being better than gasoline powered cars for the environment, and more appealing than all-electric cars to drivers due to their versatility and reduced risk of being stranded.
Not re cars and transportation. All the post WW2 development re housing, suburbs, highways – and all the maintenance costs of that going forward – is built around cars. Our willingness to leverage the wealth of our population around that specific structure – quite far beyond what other countries leverage – even and maybe esp in Silicon Valley – now serves to ensure we will resist changes that embody creative destruction to that. Changes to the fuel source – oil- in turn change the entirety of what we do re the rest of the world. Hegemons don’t voluntarily take those sort of change risks. They resist them and IMO it is why we are even resisting looking forward at what those changes might involve.
Places in Asia and Europe are way beyond us – including the minor changes you speak of re hybrids – even with all the resistance/stasis they have re innovation in general.
Any clue on how our energy grid...which already has issues keeping the lights on with their increased reliance on green energy...can hope to actually not buckle?
Decentralized will help.
A centralized grid certainly fits with big investors and control of fuel sources. And govt rules and regs too.
Wind and solar are uncontrollably decentralized. If we have a failure of imagination in figuring out that energy arrives on our planet, that's a failure of imagination not of solar/wind energy.
And btw wind/solar is what kept energy on in TX last summer.
And btw wind/solar is what kept energy on in TX last summer.
You mean the frozen and couldn't produce energy wind turbines, or the frozen, and in some cases covered in snow solar panels?
It was snowing in TX last summer?
Glad to see your ilk is always doing reality
I thought you were talking about the winter when Texas needed power and the entire grid shut down due to frozen wind turbines.
Energy being available some of the time is, you know, a massive drop-off from the energy system we had way back in the 1980's.
When something is progressively less reliable, it is not an improvement.
A good question. I just ran the numbers on a typical EV, the Tesla Long Range Dual Motor Model 3. For ~$66,250 you get a vehicle that will go 250 miles, fully charged to 5%, at 70 mph, says Motor Trend. Then, if you can find a Tesla Supercharger, you can recharge the 75kWh battery in 18 minutes, more or less. The Supercharger can charge at 250 kW, says Tesla — but at 220 volts input, that’s 1136 amps. That’s a lot of amps. To put it in proportion, my house is wired for 220 volts 100 amps — and with everything going full toot, we never approach that. Five Superchargers in a row with Teslas tied to them will take more power than a small subdivision. That probably scares the power companies, especially since they are losing generating capacity as coal plants shut down, nuclear reaches the end of its licenses and has to go through a long repermitting process, gas is under attack and even hydro is diminishing, due to drought and siltation behind dams. There’s no way solar and wind can replace that. Reality bites.
Agree. Solar/wind are not the 'answer' for increased demand on the electric system by EV's. Nor are EV's the answer to any 'energy efficiency' (measure it however you want) in the transportation system. EV's are mostly a game and a diversion - unless the issue is point-specific pollution.
But hey - there is money to be made playing games and diversions. So that's what we will do. What we really need is for government to provide subsidies to build EV chargers at all casinos. So that Americans can go make money to pay for all that infrastructure and completely change the climate via gamifying behavior.
What 'places' in Asia and Europe, specifically?
I know you aren't talking about China or Russia, which are the only nations that could possibly be considered even in the same ballpark as the United States geographically.
I'm guessing you want to compare to nations that are smaller than Texas and somehow retardedly extrapolate that into a nation that spans an entire continent as if there aren't any scalability issues there.
That's before one even notices that you're trying to compare the United States circa 1750 -1800 to the United States circa 1945. Going back to the mobility of the past means you'd never leave your hamlet, and a vacation would be going to your neighbors house.
So, yes, your ideal world are people trapped in megacities who are simply unable to leave except to travel across the wasteland to another megacity. Exactly as expected.
Thanks for making some point about something
So, you don't understand that travel by train might be more difficult in a nation that spans an entire continent versus a country that is comparable in size to Rhode Island.
Congrats, you really are dumber than I thought. Thanks for setting future expectations.
He really is.
He at least isn't mendacious like the Four Stooges, but he's dumber than a box of hair.
Four Stooges? So Pluggo, Jeffy, Sarc, and Charliehall?
A nation that spans the entire continent. So - how far do you really drive to get groceries and how much time per day do you spend traveling to do errands/commuting/etc?
I'm gonna bet that if you spend more than one hour per day total allocated to 'travel' that you are more annoyed at travel than enthralled with it. Which also happens to be the same amount of time that almost everyone in the world prefers and has preferred since the Neolithic Age.
'Travel' being defined as time you spend getting from a place you want to be to a different place you want to be. 'Enjoying the mere experience of spending time walking/running/driving/hiking with no concern at all for the destination' is not travel. It is recreation or something. And obviously should not have one iota of government subsidy for the choice of 'driving' over 'walking' or 'hiking' no matter how big the span of the continent.
I LIKE trains. I've taken vacations where 5 days of train travel were a proper part of the vacation (Alaska Railroad). I'd love to travel by train.
I live about 30 minutes from an Amtrak station, that has daily travel to Atlanta, where I used to live and work and still travel to on a regular basis. But I cannot take Amtrak, even though it's cheap--cheaper than driving, really.
Why?
First, the once-daily trip leaves the small town at 06:00, arrives in ATL ~08:45. That's fine. The return trip however...departs ATL 23:30, arrives 01:40 the next day. That's, the one and only way to make the trip by train.
Let's assume I'm ok with that return trip. Where does Amtrak stop in Atlanta? No where near the Atlanta subway system. The Amtrak station is more than a mile away from the nearest MARTA station, in a not-so-nice part of town (not the worst part, but sketchy to be walking around at 11 o'clock at night).
Next, since MARTA does not go anywhere near my company's office, nearest station is about 10 miles away, I STILL will need a car. I suppose I could cab it or get uber from Amtrak to the office, but then what? I can stay at hotel within walking distance of the office, or I can uber 15 miles each way to relatives where I can stay for free (or beg them to pick me up and drive me in each day). Or, I could walk from Amtrak to MARTA station, take MARTA to the airport, then take airport train to rental car hub, rent a car, then drive 40 miles back the way I just came, then reverse the process when I'm ready to go back.
Or, I could drive my own car for about 2.5 hours to get to Atlanta and avoid all of the above.
I agree with you re trains. They are not a general transport/mobility option for urban or anywhere else.
Trains/buses are not a base for doing errands. Or any other anywhere to anywhere need. Nor are cars however since cars require roads – land set aside for monopoly use – first. Think about it.
And that roads/land monopoly set aside is the real reason why all three of those options fail. Cars, trains, buses all fail for the same underlying reason. The fixed schedule of two of them is merely a tweak.
The only way to get rid of the land monopoly problem is to go to first principles. Which means walking. Every possible trip/route/mode will always begin and end with walking. Always.
You don’t start a car trip in the car. You start by walking to the garage. Which means the entirety of the world outside your garage has to be subordinated to the car if you want that car to take you everywhere.
Distance means walking must be integrated with other modes. But those other modes cannot override walking.
That land monopoly is also what requires govt intervention for the USAGE of that land. Can't have one person walk in the same spot at the same time as someone who drives a car there. Because the walker gets killed when that happens. Market pricing doesn't solve that problem.
"That land monopoly is also what requires govt intervention for the USAGE of that land. Can’t have one person walk in the same spot at the same time as someone who drives a car there. Because the walker gets killed when that happens. Market pricing doesn’t solve that problem."
Drunk? Stupid?
Market pricing doesn't solve idiotic personal behavior, it simply generates the optimal result in trade.
Well, liberal Silicon Valley put in light rail a while back, but forgot to connect it to the airport. Now they're talking about pod cars" (basically a train for one) to get from the airport to the light rail station.
https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-hosts-a-futuristic-vision-of-mass-transportation-podcar-city-conference-personal-rapid-transit/
Yeah, the San Francisco airport, and the Oakland airport, aren't available by BART either.
I presume it must have been a taxicab union payoff?
REally? When did that happen? Last few times I flew into SFO I hopped on the BART. The smell of piss and 70s vintage trains was pretty much the first thing that reminded me I was in SF.
That BART extension cost bucco bucks, and had returned absolutely nothing.
Near zero passenger use, just airport employees
Seems like more travelers might start using the trains to get to/from SFO if they're heading into "the City" now that it's just fundamentally unsafe to park a car on the street if you're gong to be farther north of the airport than Bellmont.
I'm guessing that south of SFO might not be quite as bad as north yet, and unless they've expanded the airport in San Jose, some people might be willing to fly into SFO and rent a car just to be able to get off the plane through a jetway to the building instead of a stair-car to a shuttle bus when they're headed to Silicon Valley. Considering the ideological/media bubble that's practically enforced on those in the tech sector, it's actually possible that the San Jose Airport might even still have a mask mandate in place inside the terminal building.
With the number of VCs and major tech players that have been leaving the Bay Area (some to L.A., and a lot to outside of CA), and the huge increase in "zoom" meetings since 2020, it seems likely that travel to that whole area is down dramatically from what it was 10 years ago.
France runs its electrical grid on nuclear reactors invented in These States. Now that corporate media brainwashing is crumbling, maybe electricity will again be decriminalized.
Not sure about France, but a lot of the EU has been decomissioning reactors and switching to NatGas-fired steam plants.
No idea how that does anything good toward making it possible for them to live up to their commitments under the Paris Accords (which every Dem I know assured me was a "big fucking deal" when St Barack signed us on, without ever seeking Senate ratification). Even before that shift, the U.S, was one of the few OECD nations to be actually reducing emissions at the time when trump "withdrew" the USA from a promise to do so which would have been non-binding even if the Senate had formally committed our government to the terms of the plan; coal plants here were switching to NatGas because fracking had made the gas so cheap, and that change made for a big overall CO2 reduction.
How did this affect the price of spittin tobacco, or cheese poofs?
Cheese Poofs will be replaced by Cricket Poofs.
As long as they're covered with salty yellow cheese-flavored powder, who cares?
"It's the latest setback as Biden attempts to change consumer preference by force rather than allowing the free market to innovate its way there."
It's the proggy way; the best thing that could possibly happen to Republicans in 2024 is for Biden to be on the ticket.
And the best thing for Democrats is for Trump to be on the ticket. Then we'll be treated to nine months of mud-wrestling corrupt grandpas. Question: Who loses in this scenario?
Answer: You knew this was coming. The United States.
This is exactly why left wingers want government to own businesses. Plenty of employment, but no requirement to produce anything.
But at least the big guy got his 10%, right?
The cash is already in the right pockets, why pretend to work for it?
Electric battery vehicles only make sense so far for use in high population density urban areas. Although I don’t think any government agency should be mandating their use in the first place, if they’re going to promote the development of electric vehicles, it would make more sense if they targeted cities at first to allow time for technology – the development of which cannot be “mandated!” – to catch up before trying to roll it out to the rest of the country. Air pollution is much more urgent in big cities than elsewhere, the power grid infrastructure is already in place there, and the residents in those regions tend to be much more enthusiastic about leading the “charge” (pun intended). Trying to force the transition is obviously – painfully so! – bound to be counterproductive when people who don’t want the new technology simply keep older ICE vehicles long past their usual trade-in periods.
Yeah, focusing on actual pollution that harms people seems better than focus on carbon nonsense. Changing trains from coal to electric made a huge difference in air quality in cities.
Focusing on carbon emissions has a much better track record when it comes to inconveniencing people and inhibiting the creation of wealth.
And has had zero impact on the climate.
...the power grid infrastructure is already in place there...
Which is, of course, absolutely false.
It makes zero sense to target anything ‘car’ to cities. Cars are poison to all cities because they eliminate people and it is people not cars that are the core of a city. If I were to guess, the ‘natural’ home of EVs with the lowest subsidies would be singlefamilyhomewithgarageland or – the suburbs. At least they will pay for half their own charging/parking.
So, the problem isn't inherently the very notion of cities, but only how one gets around cities.
The solution, presumably, being to build one giant cube and you just take the elevator to work every day.
That is certainly one way to do it, we'd just need to destroy every city in America and start over from scratch to we can get those giant cubes up-and-running.
Yes clearly the problem is cities and cubes and elevators.
You're clearly a suburbs guy. If you want Ev, then do it there. If not, don't. But don't foist that 'need much more parking for charging suburbanites cars' shit on cities
I’m nowhere near a suburb, but I would assume you’re from a major city given your obvious superiority complex and lack of understanding on the scale of these United States.
Says he lives in Denver.
That would not be surprising.
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/saudi-arabia-building-100-mile-long-linear-city
The average American driver drives less than 30 miles per day. And 80% of American drivers drive less than 100 miles per day. In other words, a substantial majority of people could use EVs, not just those in high population density urban areas
The average American that produces the food we eat, the electricity (including solar and wind, actually even more so for these), wood for construction, metals for construction, etc travel a whole lot more than 30 miles a day. That average is really biased to the left when you look at distribution. Because large urban populations travel less than a mile a day, they tend to bring the average way down, about half of all drivers drive more than 30 miles (average doesn't mean half above and below, unless it's a normal distribution, which rarely ever occurs and driving distance is not even close to a normal distribution). So, basically, your post is tell me you know nothing about statistics without saying you know nothing about statistics.
Mode or median would be a far more accurate measure than mean in this case. Also, if you include the SEM you would see why this is such a bullshit number to base decision on.
Also, what about the day you want to drive more than average? Tough shit, you can't do it? Or plan on a ridiculous wait to charge remotely?
I mean, I used to commute less than 20 miles each way most days. But there were several occasions where I needed to go significantly farther each year. I'm sure I averaged less than 50 miles a day, but that included several much longer drives. I wouldn't worry being 15 miles from home, but vacation trips, or the years I worked a weekend job in the mountains, or ski trips... events that happen a few times a year and are WAY longer than average completely moot the "average less than 100 miles" argument.
When I lived in a city, my daily commute less than 5 miles each way. About 12 minutes. My usual routine didn't take me more than 5 miles radius from my house either. Except weekends, where 200 mile (each way) drive was de rigueur. And about every other month, 350 miles, each way, to visit my mother. And several time per year, 1000 miles one way for family vacation at family cabin (and we prefer to drive straight through in one day with minimal stops).
I can imagine a small plug-in vehicle for the daily stuff, but cannot get around the requirement for a gas vehicle on a regular basis, and cannot rationalize two cars.
Not to mention most of those people that don’t drive very far live where chargers are in short supply, and it likely isn’t feasible to build enough of them.
For most of those in that transport pattern, the best alternative model to the status quo is not ‘EV vehicles’ but ’15 minute cities’. Because a 30 mile/day total drive is, expressed instead in minutes, 30 min. Much of which is likely a commute which is a very different issue involving employer parking lots and chargers not public chargers on public ‘free parking’ land with govt subsidy to people who buy expensive cars. And a 15 min city idea doesn’t focus on cars/driving but on lots of destination stuff within walking or other non-driving distance of where people live.
For those who aren’t in that transport pattern, EV’s are not valuable. And certainly not the basis for anything gummint.
Transportation fuel efficiency is an issue but Americans have been incompetent at that for decades – and pretending that EV’s solve that is merely further evidence of incompetence. ‘Fleet use’ of EV vehicles could be an issue but it is a completely different issue and again is mostly about fuel efficiency.
"...For most of those in that transport pattern, the best alternative model to the status quo is not ‘EV vehicles’ but ’15 minute cities’..."
Fuck off and die slaver. Planned economies do not work, ever.
You very obviously do not understand what a 15 minute city is. The ENTIRE function is to get rid of the regulations and bullshit that prevent cities from developing the way all cities everywhere developed BEFORE regulations even existed.
Not by merely 'getting rid of regulations' in cities that are now totally corrupted by cronies and bureaucrats and hence where deregulation for its own sake will fail because everything has already been captured. But by getting back to the GOAL that every resident of every city always has.
That goal being - how can I MAXIMIZE the 'places I always need to go options' that are within a 15 min walk (meaning that faster forms of transportation will take even less time)? How many grocery stores within 15 mins to maximize the effect of competition on reducing MY food prices? How many restaurants when I just to let someone else prepare the food for sit-down or take-out? How many doctors offices so I can have the widest choice of options? How many schools to maximize choice for my kids? How many points of access to other transport options when I need to go further? How many places to listen to a band or meet friends to watch a game?
Getting rid of the regulations that kill all those choices - eg big swathes of R1 zoning that prevent EVERYTHING except other houses within a 15 min walk - is what the PRIORITY focus is for deregulation. That is precisely the regulation you want. The central planning that YOU prefer because YOU are some fucking control freak who wants to impoverish others and eliminate their choices.
Denver (my city) is not a 15 min city anyway. Not close since it tends car-oriented. But if that were ever the goal here, it would never be achieved until ALL 200,000+ housing units in the city of Denver were 15 minute cities. 15 minute cities are not measured from the top down. They are measured from the bottom up - from every single housing unit that ever wants to go somewhere else.
The achievement of that is done by ELIMINATING the regulations that prohibit a food store or a restaurant or a doctor or a playground etc from opening a business near to enough customers to make it work. By letting 1000 entrepreneurs succeed. Because R1 zones prevent everything except single-family houses. They kill every entrepreneur that can't afford to or doesn't know how to go through zoning hoops (which are irrelevant to satisfying customers).
You can't remotely understand one damn thing I just wrote. So you're back on mute. But maybe others can understand it or want to engage in a serious discussion about what a 15 minute city actually means.
And here's a mapping app that can indicate whether you yourself are the center of your 15 min city. Interesting biz model too from a German app called Here. ie I can think of many ways a local entrepreneur can tailor it to help a ton of other local entrepreneurs make their own city more valuable. Far better than some BS CA VC company that only ever wants to get rich by selling your eyeballs to Hannibal Lecter.
15 minute city. Hell, man, I live in a food desert and you're talking about 15-minute cities?
If you live in a food desert, that means – there is no food to purchase within a 15 minute or so walk from you. Look at that map centered around you.
Assuming you are urban, I can guarantee you that:
a)you are living in a huge R1 zoned area so it is illegal for anyone to open a food store near you within a 15 minute walk.
b)your walking radius has been chopped up by all sorts of things car-related that destroy that 15 minute radius in (most likely) multiple directions. Those include – large car-focused intersections where peds have to stand around and wait for cars to stop so peds can go, or maybe wide roads where there is low-density commercial stuff on the sides separated by large parking lots (meaning fewer possible commercial options available within a 15 minute walk)
c)old eminent domain clearings where you can’t get to the other side of the highway now except via limited overpasses, busy intersections, (or maybe underpasses where the land value has been so destroyed that the only use is for the homeless and criminals). Do that in more than one direction of where you live and in fact you now live in a 15 minute prison.
d)large parts of land within that 15 minute radius are filled up with parking lots (that are most likely empty most of the time) that were mandated on business owners.
e)other stuff that in one way or another destroyed the grid system that almost all cities are originally built on.
’15 minute city’ is just a different way of looking at the problems – a ton of urban problems – at the ‘every person’ level. With the default ‘fix’ being to get rid of the particular problem that govt/cronies created there (often at the behest of thru-traffic).
"You very obviously do not understand what a 15 minute city is. The ENTIRE function is to get rid of the regulations and bullshit that prevent cities from developing the way all cities everywhere developed BEFORE regulations even existed..."
Yes, I do, asshole. It is a totally regulated community and slavers like you love you some regulations.
>>As Politico notes
why clown yourself?
This will require an enormous ramp-up in resources, especially around charging infrastructure
Infrastructure like...oh...say electrical generation which is a bottleneck to the whole thing? These same fuckwits are killing power generation while mandating increased usage. It's beyond retarded by any measure.
Biden needs to inspire both consumers and the industry to jointly pursue vehicle electrification—leading, by extension, to less gas and oil consumption and fewer greenhouse gas emissions.
This implies that it's believed that future electrical generation will be from fairy dust and unicorn farts rather than fossil fuels, and no study that has ever been done implies that is possible let alone likely.
The only possible end result of these policies, if they are allowed to continue, is a drastic curtailment of the average persons mobility. I'm not putting on a tin foil hat to say that's the only predictable outcome of all this.
In the most realistic scenario, electricity will still be generated via fossil fuels thus the 'emissions' are simply moved from the vehicle to the generation. That's it.
Biden couldn't inspire a pack of hungry wolves to eat meat.
I’m certain he inspires small children to escape his clutches before he showers with them. Just like his own daughter, when she was 10.
If we were in a world where Biden had 1% of 1% of JFK's charisma, we'd probably also already be driving electric cars; flying electric cars, on a permanent settlement on the moon while the terraforming of Mars and Venus was about 30% complete as well....
Biden can't inspire a single-party state run unchallenged by his own party to not institute a tax on mining the USA's biggest lithium deposit which renders non-viable any potential use of the domestic materials required by some of his "groundbreaking" EV tax subsidies.
Don’t forget the requirement that all your household appliances (heater, water heater, dryer, range, etc.) be electric too.
Oh yes, absolutely, and I'm including that in the statement 'mandating increased use' since all together it would result in a massive demand spike for electricity with no supply to meet it.
The result? Massive price increases, and no amount of government rationing could be met with anything but nationwide riots and likely politicians and industrialists hanging from lamp posts a la the French Revolution. Take away the internet from people, and I think we'll see blood in the streets.
This is literally economics 101, and apparently the entire planet failed the class.
And to those that don't understand that the entirety of the internet requires electricity and huge amounts of it, you are retarded. Full stop. The irony of people arguing about carbon emissions on a medium that uses a lions share of worldwide electrical generation is not lost on me.
Pffft. 7.5B spent and nothing to show for it after 2 years?
California says "hold my Merlot...." Have you tried out our bullet train lately?
bullet = slightly faster than slow
Did we say bullet? We meant fast, like 200 mph fast.
Did we say 200 mph? Make that 100 mph.
Okay, it has to slow down to 40 mph because the track is bad.
And likely will be even slower than that because every city and town is demanding a stop, which means you have to factor in acceleration and deceleration (and no electromagnets and such can't overcome mass, and trains, even bullet trains, have a lot of mass). Also, for safety sake, you probably won't be able to cruise at 200 mph through any built up area (unless it's elevated, which adds even more to the cost oh and the fact that you're building it in one of the most seismically active areas in the world).
Imagine the engineering required to keep a train travelling 200 mph on an elevated track safe in a Richter scale 6 or above Earthquake?
Yeah I know Japan has done it,but it cost a whole lot of money, they built them decades ago, the Japanese government is pretty open to ignoring their laws when they want to get stuff done. Etc. oh and none of the Japanese Islands are even close to being the size of California.
Dude, it's all moot. You don't have to worry about all those stops. The train won't run from LA to San Francisco, it's being started going form Bakersfield to Fresno. For folks from elsewhere, that's flat farmland. It's also a bullet train from where nobody wants to be to where nobody wants to go.
It will never -- NEVER -- make it to Union Station in LA. It can't cross those mountains, they'll never be able to afford to purchase the right of ways, and existing tracks are completely inadequate. You want to see the crazy ass challenges they face getting out of the central valley? Look up the Tehachapi Loop as one engineering example. Trust me, nothing like that will qualify as "bullet" .
Stop looking at facts and concentrate on The Dream.
I was just pointing out some pretty obvious reasons this plan is unrealistic to the existential threat, powered by unicorn farts window lickers. Read an article on Spectator today and the writer actually said (while criticizing progressives) converting from fossil fuels to electric. No, you really aren't because something has to make that electricity. What they are basically, realistically proposing is the same thing as a diesel electric locomotive (for the window lickers, diesel electric locomotives are propelled by electric motors but the electricity is generated by the diesel engine) only without the portable diesel engine needed for charging.
The fact that people actually think any of this stuff is going to actually work is really a condemnation of our educational system especially foundational science education and I believe is evidence of harm that was done as vocational classes have disappeared from our schools.
Additionally, it demonstrates how poorly basic economics education in schools are. If these plans actually would work, and would be cheaper, or, had some other intrinsic value, (because cheap isn't always the primary driver for consumers) than the consumers would demand it and manufacturers would be forced to sell it. Since none of this has occurred without being enforced by governmental actions, shows that it has neither intrinsic or economic value, ergo it's doomed to failure. And anyone who can't see that is a) stupid, b) evil/power hungry c) anti-humanist or d) all of the above.
"... If these plans actually would work, and would be cheaper, or, had some other intrinsic value, (because cheap isn’t always the primary driver for consumers) than the consumers would demand it and manufacturers would be forced to sell it. Since none of this has occurred without being enforced by governmental actions, shows that it has neither intrinsic or economic value, ergo it’s doomed to failure..."
See Chicken Little above re: "15 minute cities". Hoi polloi simply aren't smart enough to want what JFree wants, and so it'll take some governmental 'nudging' to make them do so.
Just looked up "Tehachapi Loop" and watched a YouTube video. Pretty neat, thanks for the suggestion.
That was the real key to how Japan did it. They started off with a 15-20 mile route that served 10 million people, and once that was operating they put the revenue generated into expanding the length of the system to cover additional cities.
Europe did it in a similar manner, but outside of the alps they had easier terrain to cross and a less seismically active foundation to run tracks on.
By contrast, California set out to connect two major cities which are 350 miles apart without any idea how they'd route a "right of way" into either of the urban centers (and no real plan for where to put all of the necessary infrastructure around those terminals if they could), and initially planning to route the lines in a way that extended the overall distance by 100-150 extra miles. If they wanted to actually connect any kind of new passenger line into Downtown L.A., the only viable ways to do it would be to elevate it along either I-5 or the existing Amtrak lines, or to tunnel under half of the city, both of which would be massively expensive (Tens of $Billions) to do even before the 375% premium involved with having it done by a government agency in CA.
Need some of that Reardon metal to make tracks from.
They're still going to be "high speed" trains that would be capable of 200 mph if running on the appropriate tracks.
I think a lot of the speed reduction for the use of "heritage" track segments is that there's too much danger of a 150Mph passenger train rear-ending a freight train that can't exceed 75Mph, with the result of derailing both if the two are running on the same track.
It's looking like there might be a high-speed train established from Victorville to Vegas within the next 5 years unless the usual suspects manage to bury it under CEQA filings. Tunneling under some part of the Cajon Pass seems like an interesting proposition considering the seismic environment here, but Japan probably has some tech to make that manageable if the company building the trains can get access to it.
Imagine going on a road trip, and sitting there for an hour waiting for your vehicle to get recharged.
In the future, all road trips will take less than fifteen minutes.
What are 'road trips'? Leaving your megacity will be illegal in our glorious future, comrade!
Traveling from one end pf the camp to the other.
Maybe they could put a giant circular track around the camp, and have it spin so it creates electricity as people run on it. Free power, AND a free workout!
Unless you’re an elite Party Member in good standing with an interstate travel visa.
My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law
And on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire
Where my white-haired uncle waits
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/19731100roadandtrack.htm
A Nice Morning Drive
[The Inspiration Behind "Red Barchetta"]
By Richard S. Foster, Road & Track, November 1973, pp.148-150
in the "15 minute" city planning world, having the run of more than 2-3 zones within a megacity would be a signal of extreme privilege or political connections to the higher levels of authority.
With enough "progress" we'll have most of humanity returned to the conditions of the 19th century in which 90% of people never travel more than 20 miles from the location of their birth within their lifetime.
Hm, I wonder how long it takes to eat a meal when you're hungry while driving or snatch a nap when you're get tired while driving? Oh, I see. About an hour. Thanks!
So every restaurant I want to eat at while driving would have to be within walking distance of a charging station. And god forbid I just want a quick sandwich, no, I have to wait a whole hour. Imagine stopping, getting a fill-up, using the john, and grabbing a coffee all within 15 minutes.
If you're stuck with your car plugged into the charging station for 1-4 hours, then "walking distance" to get to/from a restaurant might be extended a bit, depending on the general climate of the area and the time of day/year. Walking 3-5 blocks in San Diego in April is going to be a lot different than covering the same distance in Baker at 1PM in mid-August.
Maximizing freedom of choice, it seems.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
If it takes you an hour to eat a meal while your driving never travel with me. If we aren't back on the road on 20 minutes, top, your ass is getting left.
I drive almost 1000 miles a couple time each year going back and forth to family cabin for vacations. We like to do it as quickly as possible, so stopping to pee and get gas (done in shifts, one person pumping gas while the other pees, then swapping). 5 minutes, 10 tops. We pack sandwiches, snack, water, drinks in a cooler. Stopping for even "fast food" adds SO much time. Driving done in shifts, too, so one person is resting if they want.
I'd hate to envision that trip covering two days with hours spent recharging the EV, paying for restaurants, hotels...
I don't have to imagine. I've been the "Cell Phone Road Trip Buddy" for a close friend of mine who has driven her Model S from Seattle to Ft Lauderdale. And back. Twice.
Just 7 more round trips and she'll hit the "break even" point for total CO2 emissions from the combined manufacture and use of her vehicle vs doing all that driving in a Camry or Accord. Then she'll start reducing her total "climate footprint" until the battery pack wears out and needs replacement.
Bozeman, is about 570 miles from my home. I would have to drive there about every three months or so, for my job. Since highway speeds are 70 mph and interstate is 80 here in Montana it would take me about seven and half hours with a drop for meals and bathroom breaks. To make that trip with a vehicle that needs to be recharged every 250 miles would require three 20 to 30 minute stops each way, if a charger was open and available. So an hour to an hour and half addition to the drive, under the best case scenario. And, probably would require more charges than that, because at those speeds the battery power would probably be less, have two cross three mountain ranges, deal with Eastern Montana's rather infamous winds and extremes of temperatures (hot in the summer and below zero quite frequently in the winter). So, realistically probably four charging stops. Yeah, no.
In that 2 years, Tesla has installed thousands of charge points. Without Federal prodding or union boot licking too.
From what I have read when this bill came out, the cost of these chargers was $100,000 each. Tesla said that they could build them for $25,000 each. The fact is that Tesla's chargers are far superior to Electrify America and everyone else's chargers. And oh yeah, Tesla's works. This 2-year delay is typical government pork barrel nonsense. Why doesn't one of our 535 rock stars in Congress figure this out and get Tesla to do it? This needs to be on the lead story every night until this is done.
"They aren't here for the hunting."
"Building chargers" isn't actually the point of the exercise. Diverting billions to connected entities is.
This is Solyndra on steroids.
In this scenario, though, the Government is the bear and taxpayers are the hunters.
When it comes to Federal Procurement, about half the time "works" doesn't make it into the specifications. Not being in the specifications, it can't be used as part of the selection criteria.
Elon probably uses some widget that's made in taiwan, or can't track the source of some rare earth element he uses (in the electrified world with lab-produced gems, Cobalt is one of the new "blood diamonds") through some acceptably non-controversial processor intermediary with proper documentation.
Not to mention that the winning bidder literally has "America" in their company's name, and Musk is some kind of wierd foreigner; not to mention being socially "untouchable" in the tech world ever since he called out the Democrat party (and for things they actually did, if you can imagine the lack of couth) and pulled back the curtain on a portion of the government-run programs designed to censor the internet by leveraging the monopolistic market shares of the big social media companies (ironicially, the exact thing those companies had claimed that imposing "net neutrality" rules on only ISPs would somehow prevent).
Although, my loyal Dem friends assure me that the "twitter files" was "such a nothing burger that even Musk gave up on it" because that's what the WaPo, NYT, and Atlantic told them to think, and because they probably don't know that Elon providing internal files to Taibbi, Schellenberger, and Weiss went on for nearly two years, almost 12 months of that time before anything at all was made public by any of them.
It’s a good thing people never read and compare headlines and subheadlines: Congress Spent $7.5 Billion on E.V. Chargers. More than $2 billion has been distributed
How could Congress possibly have spent $7.5 billion when only $2 billion has been distributed?
73% to the Big Guy.
$2B buying zero chargers is good...how?
EdG ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?
Congress appropriated $7.5 Billion to be spent on the project, but not all of the appropriated money has actually been distributed to contract recipients yet. All appropriations bills have to originate in the House of Representatives, and technically the Executive Branch can't spend any money at all unless it's been appropriated through Congress (and if the President is named trump, it's supposedly an impeachable offense to not spend certain money by a particular date even if your predecessor/successor has publicly bragged about doing more or less the same thing).
Do you think that when they appropriate $800Billion for the annual DoD budget that the Pentagon spends every dollar of it in the first couple weeks of the Fiscal Year?
Whole thing is absurd. Spending $billions$ on a non solution to a non problem. We don’t have the infrastructure. The same Administration that is supposedly building all these chargers, is also, at the same time, trying to shut down coal and gas power plants, and more recently, trying to destroy hydro dams on the Snake River to protect some subspecies of fish that no longer have instinctual memory of spawning grounds upriver of the dams. That, of course, was done in a sweet heart settlement between the environmentalists in the EPA and environmental groups, completely bypassing the political branches. And, of course, also ignoring the recent mandates to eliminate gas stoves, ovens, and heat.
No one seems to care that Climate Change (etc) is a completely artificial justification for all this nonsense. It’s built on models that always run hot, and measurements that are fudged more and more, to show heating that doesn’t exist. We recently found out that a surprisingly large number of the temperature recording stations around this country are “ghost” stations that have been shut down for years, with their temperatures somehow imputed by NOAA (which, of course, refuses to disclose how they are doing it).
I can’t help but think none of this malignant nonsense would be happening if we just did the smart thing and got rid of the democrats, and they’re RINO collaborators.
They aren’t worth all of this misery. Time for them to go.
But without the Dems and GOP keeping everyone hating each other, everyone's vote would just be "wasted" since they'd have to vote for some other party....
Does anywhere in the world run a multi-party parliamentary system with a directly elected chief executive, rather than one chosen by the legislators after some coalition establishes a majority and "creates a government"?
The federal government’s utter inability to do anything useful used to bother me. Now I know better. As currently constituted, it CANNOT be improved. It is impossible. So, unless the discussion starts with, “we will eliminate this law, this regulation, this funding, these contractors, and these employees”, not one word that follows will be worth my time. We must start over. There is no way forward from here.
It would be nice if they could somehow reduce the amount of resources they're expending in the course of their "doing nothing all day" though.
The Feds actually dealing with a very small portfolio of basic responsibilities would be great, if only they could quit blowing out multiple $Trillions pretending to "just do something" that's destined to amount to nothing at the end of the day. Burning bales of $100 for warmth would be a more productive use of money than most of what was spent in the name of "Pandemic relief".
Correction ….
“Under the program, states can *STEAL* from it’s citizens as much as 80 percent of the cost to build chargers and bring them online”
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where demand will require everyone's electrical bill to increase because no-one seems to acknowledge that electricity is but a transport medium of power not power itself.
Planned economies do not work, regardless of intent.
Like everything else on the Green Agenda - it's all 100% slush fund.
Who slapped together a presentation for the President using pegboard and unistrut? Oh yeah, they were thoughtful enough to sign their work: Local 103 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. I guess that passes for “a professional and skillful manner” these days.
Democrats have always loved and promoted zero accountability spending of Other People's Money.
The OPM of the masses.
If people don't buy EV's, that will mean the primary goal of this initiative has been met: taking private vehicle ownership away from the peasants and reserving it for the elites.
Someone should take a look at where the money has gone. In Canada, the government agency set up to distribute "green energy" funds has been found distributing money to companies owned by or run by the people running that government agency.