Gun Hobbyists (and Liberty) Win Big in Court
Fifth Circuit judges slap the ATF for making up illegal rules against homemade guns.

The Biden administration's scheme to threaten the public with tightened gun-control regulations by reinterpreting laws to mean what they never meant in the past is running into some speed bumps. Stumbling over one of those obstacles is an attempt by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to define unfinished firearm frames and receivers—functionally, paperweights—as firearms for the purpose of regulating homemade "ghost guns." The courts aren't buying the government's argument and on November 9 delivered another slap to regulators and the White House.
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That Law Doesn't Mean What You Claim It Means
"The agency rule at issue here flouts clear statutory text and exceeds the legislatively-imposed limits on agency authority in the name of public policy," wrote Judge Kurt D. Engelhardt for three judges of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in ruling on VanDerStok v. Garland. "Because Congress has neither authorized the expansion of firearm regulation nor permitted the criminalization of previously lawful conduct, the proposed rule constitutes unlawful agency action, in direct contravention of the legislature's will."
Specifically, the court addressed portions of the ATF's new "frame and receiver" rule which reinterpreted existing law, particularly elements of the Gun Control Act of 1968. The rule would extend the ATF's reach and allow the government to restrict home construction of firearms in ways that the Biden White House wants as part of a crusade against so-called "ghost guns" but hasn't been able to get through Congress.
In particular, the new ATF rule redefines firearms terms to incorporate modern devices that work differently than designs that were common when the law was written. The rule also treats unfinished parts that must be drilled, milled, and assembled by hobbyists to become working mechanisms—often called "80 percent receivers"—as if they are completed firearms. It additionally targets parts kits that can be combined with finished frames and receivers to make functioning guns. As I wrote last year, the rule's language is "clear as mud" in seeking to subject as much activity as possible to regulation.
"The Final Rule is limitless," wrote concurring Judge Andrew S. Oldham who agreed with the majority "without qualification" but wrote separately because he considered his colleagues insufficiently brutal to the ATF. "It purports to regulate any piece of metal or plastic that has been machined beyond its primordial state for fear that it might one day be turned into a gun, a gun frame, or a gun receiver. And it doesn't stop regulating the metal or plastic until it's melted back down to ooze."
That was much the reaction of U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor who vacated the entire ATF rule in June. The appeals court panel upholds the district court's findings, though it returns the case to the district "for further consideration of the remedy, considering this Court's holding on the merits." That might mean an outcome short of vacating the entirety of the rule, though Oldham's concurrence suggests he prefers something rather more drastic to slap down the ATF for its presumption.
The ATF Gets an Earful
In fact, none of the Fifth Circuit judges were impressed by the ATF's arguments.
"Both a 'frame' and a 'receiver' had set, well-known definitions at the time of the enactment of the GCA in 1968," the court notes of the ATF's efforts to extend its remit over unfinished components. "As written, the Final Rule states that the phrase 'frame or receiver' includes things that are admittedly not yet frames or receivers but that can easily become frames or receivers—in other words: parts… Such a proposition defies logic: 'a part cannot be both not yet a receiver and a receiver at the same time.'"
The judges are equally scathing when it comes to the ATF's efforts to regulate kits used by DIY hobbyists.
"Notably, the [privately made firearms] that play a central role in the Final Rule were not unknown at the time of the GCA's—or, for that matter, its predecessors'— enactment," they write, citing "The American Tradition of Self-Made Arms," by Jospeh G.S. Greenlee, an article published this year in St. Mary's Law Journal. "And in perfect accord with the historic tradition of at-home gunmaking, Congress made it exceedingly clear when enacting the GCA that 'this title is not intended to discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes.'"
"ATF's Final Rule alters this understanding by adding significant requirements for those engaged in private gun-making activities," they add.
"The Government argues that ATF has historically regulated parts that are not yet frames or receivers as frames or receivers, thus making the Final Rule a valid extension of past agency practice," the court continues. "Simply because ATF may have acted outside of its clear statutory limits in the past does not mandate a decision in its favor today."
That's doesn't mean the Biden administration and the ATF have no recourse if they want to further restrict firearms or regulate popular gun-related hobbies.
"ATF, in promulgating its Final Rule, attempted to take on the mantle of Congress to 'do something' with respect to gun control," the court cautions. "But it is not the province of an executive agency to write laws for our nation. That vital duty, for better or for worse, lies solely with the legislature."
"This is yet another massive victory against ATF and a huge blow to the Biden Administration's gun control agenda," commented Cody J. Wisniewski, the Firearms Policy Coalition Action Foundation General Counsel and counsel for plaintiffs. "ATF has no authority to make law, and the Biden Administration cannot circumvent Congress and the rights of the People through federal agency rulemakings–a point the Fifth Circuit just reiterated. We look forward to defending this win and to continuing to deliver additional victories to the People in the future."
Despite the Fifth Circuit decision, the ATF rule remains in effect while the U.S. Supreme Court decides whether to take up the case, as per an August 8 order by Justice Samuel Alito.
Another Overreach Slapped Down
In a separate but related ruling, another court slapped down the ATF's effort to redefine pistol braces as shoulder stocks, rendering firearms so equipped as short-barreled rifles under the National Firearms Act (NFA). Braces are intended to help disabled shooters more accurately handle weapons one-handed, but many designs very closely resemble shoulder stocks. That doesn't matter, noted the court.
"Some form of protest can be expected when constitutional rights are allegedly infringed," wrote Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas, in acknowledging that many braces are used as stocks by people opposed to stringent firearms regulation. But Kacsmaryk observed that the braces are in "common use" and so enjoy constitutional protection. He added that the proposed rule was not a logical outgrowth of existing law and, in keeping with a recent Fifth Circuit ruling, "must be set aside as unlawful."
Ultimately, government officials are failing in their efforts to end-run Congress by jamming through restrictive new gun policies as regulatory "reinterpretations" of old statutes. If they want to threaten more people with penalties for owning and using firearms, they'll have to do so through the hard work of legislating.
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Nice of the courts to throw us a bone once in a while.
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All of the rules alphabet soup makes up on firearms are illegal.
I want to know how many ATF higher-ups went to prison for this.
Oh, none? Well, surely that will be quite discouraging for the next round.
A few days ago I signed a receipt for some blocks of billet aluminum. While I was reading the receipt I noticed above the signature line was a statement that this material would NOT be used to manufacture firearms or firearm components. I’ve been in and around machine shops for 40 years and had never seen anything like that before.
Be interesting to see if that’s something specific to the supplier or standard boilerplate.
Wonder why suppliers are now brandon receipts for billet with that.
I suspect that it is something to prevent them from being sued by gun control advocates if the purchaser does use it to make a firearm. A ” hey we told them not to make a firearm with it.” Of course there is no way for the seller to actually enforce such a provision so it’s meaningless but it might offer some protection in case of a lawsuit.
Possibly some ESG nonsense?
Legal protection from the supplier to the receiver.
Protection *to* the supplier *from* the receiver, or that’s the way it’s framed anyway.
The grammar judge wants to see you in his chamber.
“The Biden administration’s scheme to threaten the public” I think J.D.’s writing is the worst I’ve ever read, but this sentence allowed me to tap out before I even saw the author. Thank you, JD.
Hmmm. Would you be so kind as to provide a writing sample from your own publication history, demonstrating good writing? Thanks In Advance!
Reminds me of posters who would jump on perceived grammatical errors in an effort to detract from something they don’t like but really can’t argue against; IOW, resorting to ad hominem.
Indeed. Thanks Madison1782!
Threaten? YES!
https://oversight.house.gov/release/joint-hearing-wrap-up-biden-administration-has-weaponized-the-atf-to-target-law-abiding-americans-turn-them-into-criminals%ef%bf%bc/
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/10/27/republican-rep-demands-arrest-of-atf-agents-following-suspicious-firearms-raid-1407952/
Your cognitive bias is clear if you “tapped out” on this article. Just here watching real libertarians we guess.
You choose to forget Brandon threatening lawful gun owners with F16’s.
The idea that 10 million people with AR-15s “wouldn’t stand a chance” got thrown out when they decided to pretend that a guy in a viking helmet holding a stolen flag pole and someone with a taser stolen from a cop almost overthrew the entire government in “the worst attack on the US” since either Pearl Harbor or the War of 1812 (the only thing consistent about all the “takes” on 1/6 is that everyone on the left sees it as worse than 9/11./01).
Regardless of the issue at hand (and anyone’s view of guns), no executive agency should ever be permitted to make law.
As for me, I’m going to the range today to shoot my 300 Blackout AR that I put together with an 80% receiver (milled by moi) and an SBA Tactical brace to accommodate a 9.5” barrel, thus making it a “pistol” in the eyes of the law.
It’s a happy day, and no one is any less safe for it; just more able to live without the threat of arbitrary punishment that government attempted to impose for no good purpose, except to “do something.”
Out of curiosity, did any detent pins go flying across the room during your build?
Did on my first build, and then AR10 build. Bought several “Opps Kits” after. Haven’t had an issue since “buying insurance”.
Yes, it happens at least once on every build. Keep a supply of little parts on hand; the other day I came across a magazine catch detent when I was cleaning up my work station just the other day.
I have one (.300 Blackout AR-15) with a 7.5” barrel, and parts somewhere for another. Love it. Part of the allure is that .300 Blackout propellant burns more quickly that that in the standard 5.56/.223 ammunition, which was designed for maybe an 18” to 20” barrel. During the day, you probably won’t notice the difference. At night, you very likely will, with the unburned 5.56/.223 propellant flashing when it exits shorter barrels.
I don’t know how much .300 Blackout ammunition is being sold, but I do know that Magpul sells AR-15 magazines for such, which suggests that it has become fairly popular.
Strictly speaking, the specialized Magpul magazines are meant to work with 300BLK rounds that have extra long bullets (subsonic loadings IIRC).
Yeah, the .300 BLK round was designed with the requirement that it fit in a standard 5.56 magazine. But people are making subsonic loads with like 200 gn bullets that don’t fit.
Yes, for the honking 220 grain subsonic rounds you’ll need a dedicated 300 Blackout magazine, either from Lancer or Magpull. Otherwise they tend to get stuck in the 5.56 mags.
my paperweight has a pic of Vida Blue flipping me off.
The main opinion is good. It is a pretty good explanation of why the new rules are not authorized by the statute. Interestingly, they caught the government using language and precedent from regulating machine guns under the NFA to justify these regulations under the GCA. Esp since some of the language they tried to use had been removed by Congress. This is, in my mind, being caught with their pants down, at a level rarely seen in administrative law cases.
The concurrence is even better, in terms of colorful writing. He talks about everything from the primordial ooze through the finished product, and then back to the primordial ooze being potentially violative of the new regs. The ATF got called out for taking a fairly black and white standard (which included helpful graphics) to a “we know it when we see it” standard. and since these rules have criminal penalties, it’s a pretty gross Due Process violation.
Fuck Joe Biden.
Millennials will destroy democracy.
Biden is not exactly a Millennial.
Well, perhaps not from this millennium anyway…
Maybe the first millennium?
Full circle at last.
As I recall, gun control sort of got started whining about all those hoodlums making zip guns in the basement out of rubber bands, nails, and lengths of pipe back in the fifties.
Anyone that cares this much about guns to make them in their house needs to be checked out by a good doctor. One step from this is anyone that feels the need to own a semi-automatic weapon. Check your pants, fellas. Is your penis still there?
Check your cranium, ed, is anything missing?
He’s still looking.
That’s why they call him special Ed.
Chumby doubts who he is daily. Wonders if he’s strong enough, tough enough, man enough. He knows he isn’t and supplements this deficit by pretending and surrounding himself with similar buffoons. Together, they comfort each other through simplistic rituals yet cry to themselves when they are alone.
More guns than citizens. Forever. Nothing you can do about it. Except spewing impotent insults worthy of a 3rd grader.
I feel your pain, loser.
Yah what he says! Heh heh heh.
Expected comment. Nothing original here. You still live in fear of not being the man you think you are.
Ooooohhhh the defeated, disarmed, equalized, impotent peasant telling others how to be a man?
Get back to your plowshares and seethe about the freedoms of your betters. While we continue to fire our AR-15 rifles with our families. I will think about your kind next time we do it. And I will smile.
Nobody needs to fire more than one shot per minute from their muzzle-loaded musket, yup yup.
Either that or change the Constitution. Change right? You get the benefit of modern technology, but we have a piece of paper made in the 1700’s guiding our lives.
Did we need to change the constitution for free speech to apply to the internet (or tv, radio, etc.)? The Constitution doesn’t say we can speak freely, or own a gun. It says the state cannot violate those rights.
Again, you seem to have a deep misunderstanding of what the constitution is. We aren’t given specific rights by the constitution. Instead the constitution puts limits on the government from infringing on our natural rights.
I suggest you actually read the entire US Constitution and all 27 Amendments in one sitting.
I have several such rifles and I don’t have a problem with locating my… OH MY GOD!
JFC. Imagine being such an unaware, self-absorbed Millennial retard that you live out the “He said the thing!” meme to several generations of people who were already bored of the stupid penis insults a decade before you were born.
You cared enough to respond, proving my point. You do care. It does bother you and will continue to bother you because you’re an American man who fears anything that threatens his paper thin masculinity.
Your tears are delicious. Sooooo many guns in the US and no matter how much you stomp and cry, they will only get more.You and your personal experience and preferences are so irrelevant, it’s amazing.
This kind of bluster makes me need to ask.
What do you think a “semi-automatic” gun actually is, and what percentage of privately owned firearms would you guess fall into that category?
If you’d indulge me with a little more depth into the questions, is there any kind of gun that you think a “secure” man would own instead of a semi-automatic? (And if you’ll forgive me assuming a certain answer to that question, the follow-up would be “Are you aware of how much more deadly that weapon could be than most of the semi-autos that are currently in the hands of private citizens in the USA?”)
Checked, it is, and man, the last time I used my cock to apprehend an attacker, boy was the judge irritated…
Someone explain to me why this law must be read narrowly and mean exactly what it says but “interstate commerce” can mean literally whatever the government wants anytime it wants.
Gun Hobbyists (and People Who Have Been Barred From Legally Owning Guns for Mental Health and/or Criminal Reasons) Win Big In Court!
FTFY
Given the number of persons killed by “long guns” if all types and calibers amount to about 350-400 persons in a given year, and that conservative estimates re owners of AR 15 type rifles is about 26 million, I’ll put it this way:
For every 10,000 rifles, someone does something wrong with one. So let’s come down on the 9,999 who don’t do anything wrong?
The somebody who does something wrong is just an excuse. They’re actually concerned about the 9,999.
Gun control really got going at the federal level after the Kennedy assassination; The original national gun control organizations were astroturfed by the government!
They weren’t a product of politicians trying to protect the people. It was politicians trying to protect themselves FROM the people.
They’re not worried about the criminals. They’re worried about the non-criminals they might piss off, and how much that limits what they can get away with.
People who are barred from getting guns through legal channels can get them a lot easier through the “black market” (where they cost around 50-70% of legal retail, depending on the location), as opposed to buying a “80% kit” costing about the same, plus the tools needed to finish the drilling/milling process ($2-300 at least), plus the parts needed to complete the rest of the kit (about the same price as a whole new legally purchased gun in the case of Glock pistols); not to mention that they’re then committing a crime if they complete the build without registering it with the State (at least here in CA) and getting a serial number issued for it, and would be facing additional penalties for possessing a non-serialized gun (there’s exemptions for some collectibles, but they’re only for single-action revolvers or for weapons which have been rendered inoperable via blocking the barrel, and/or other permanent modifications, and wouldn’t apply to any modern-type pistol or rifle) in addition to the charges of possession by someone ruled ineligible.
This ruling just made it harder for Biden’s ATF to try to ban something that constitutes the “hard way” for someone who can’t legally buy a gun to obtain one. If it’s any relief for those who buy into the “common sense” rhetoric, the whole issue will probably be nearly irrelevant in another 5 years when the tech and supplies needed to 3D print a “Glock-type” frame (equivalent to P80 kits), or to machine an AR lower reciever with “consumer grade” home 3D printing and CNC equipment in any residential basement/garage “workshop” will be widely available (and less expensive than the gun components themselves).
How many of the mentioned judges were not disaffected culture war losers whose political preferences have been rejected by modern America for decades?
Kirkfag: “Fart, poop, piss, fart”
Funny how the tentacles (Nazi-Agencies) of Prohibition continued on today even though it was officially repealed 100 years ago.
None of you pro-gun/”liberty” fanatics have a shred of self awareness to acknowledge the hypocrisy of your love for a 300 year old document that you claim gives you the right to have and use as many weapons as you can possibly want, whenever and however you want, and in the same breath, you decry the existence of a government.
The point of the the constitution was to secure our rights FROM a government abusing them. The document is to limit the government from violating our natural rights, not to give us rights.
I’ve been a lurker on Reason comments section since 2020. I never thought I needed to create an account to comment, but your complete misunderstanding of the point of the US Constitution was the kick I needed to sign up and comment. So, I guess, thank you for that at least.
Funny. All along it’s mostly government who thinks they can threaten/pack as many weapons as they can possibly want, and use them whenever and however they want yet then decry the existence of anyone else using them.
Government’s ONLY distinctiveness entity difference is in it being a monopoly of ‘guns’ (gun-force).
Do tell us again which entity you think is using the ‘guns’ more to commit crimes against the people? I think those horrible citizens are a bit behind on walking away from ROBBING $30T from those ‘icky’ citizens.
Nobody gives a fuck what you think. Certainly, nobody who is armed gives a fuck what you think.
It’s not like you are going to come knocking on our doors.
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