Milton Friedman Was No Conservative
A new Friedman biography ably explores the economist's ideas but sidesteps the libertarian movement he was central to.

Milton Friedman: The Last Conservative, by Jennifer Burns, Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 592 pages, $35
As Jennifer Burns writes in her excellent new biography of the libertarian economist Milton Friedman, "Many aspects of our contemporary world that today seem commonplace have their origins in one of Friedman's seemingly crazy ideas. If you've had taxes withheld from a paycheck, planned or postponed a foreign holiday due to the exchange rate, considered the military as a career, wondered if the Federal Reserve really knows what it's doing, worked at or enrolled your child in a charter school, or gotten into an argument about the pros and cons of universal basic income, you've had a brush with Friedman."
Burns, a Stanford University–based historian who also wrote a good biography of Ayn Rand, emphasizes the intellectual over the personal—rarely does her book seem interested in understanding Friedman the man as opposed to Friedman the mind. But Milton Friedman: The Last Conservative shines as an exploration of Friedman's ideas and accomplishments.
Sharply intelligent, a great arguer, and inclined toward math, this son of Jewish immigrant New Jersey shopkeepers got his master's degree in economics at the University of Chicago, where his destiny was shaped by his professors and fellow students (including his eventual wife and writing partner, Rose Director) and by the Chicago school of economics' yen for applying price theory to as many aspects of life as possible. Burns detects a thread of Chicago price theory spun through Friedman's lifework, which led him to craft "a dizzying array of policies with a consistent theme: setting prices free. This idea underlies everything, from Friedman's support of school vouchers and his calls to abolish the draft to his insistence that governments stop controlling the price of their currencies."
Burns guides the reader handily through Friedman's New Deal and wartime years. She details some of his innovations in statistical analysis, and she relates one of the first times he raised fellow economists' hackles by coming to overly libertarian conclusions (a paper that fingered the American Medical Association as a price-raising cartel). She also covers his role in helping the Treasury Department develop income tax withholding as an emergency measure for war financing—a temporary policy that, to Friedman's regret, became permanent.
Burns is impressively effective for a noneconomist at explaining how "monetarism," Friedman's philosophy of how a central bank should behave, clashed with the Federal Reserve's real-world practice and with economic orthodoxy over the last half of the 20th century. The core of monetarism was the belief that the supply of money, mediated by how often it changed hands, is the key factor in price levels—or, in slogan form, that "inflation is everywhere and always a monetary phenomenon."
This led Friedman to believe it would be better if the Fed did not practice discretionary monetary policy at all, with the money supply simply growing a bit every year based on preset rules. While the Federal Reserve never embraced all of Friedman's recommendations, Burns skillfully explains how his ideas did importantly shape the inflation-busting efforts of Fed Chair Paul Volcker in the early 1980s.
The tight connection between money supply and inflation that Friedman and Anna Schwartz detailed in their epochal 1963 A Monetary History of the United States seemed to slip in the post-Reagan decades. This worried Friedman, but he ultimately satisfied himself that the connection between money supply and inflation could be rescued by shifting the particular measure of money supply to watch, and by admitting that the rate at which money changed hands was more variable than he first thought. The inflation of the past two years has helped revive the world's belief in Friedman's connection between growth in the money supply and growth in prices.
Inevitably for a book published in 2023, this biography at times adopts a modern race-and-gender lens. On race, Burns upbraids the economist for opposing the 1964 Civil Rights Act: While Friedman, as Burns notes, opposed Jim Crow laws, he did reject the aspects of the 1964 law that would give the government the power to compel private citizens to associate with those they did not wish to. He preferred, again, the course of setting prices free: Friedman expected that racial prejudice would be largely priced out of the market in a freer economy.
When it comes to women, Burns sees Friedman relying heavily, and often with insufficient credit, on various female collaborators, stressing Schwartz's vital role as the original driving force of the research project that led to A Monetary History and the person who gave literary verve to what could have been just a series of historical data charts. When it comes to one of the books that built Friedman's professional reputation, A Theory of the Consumption Function (1957), Burns provides evidence that two female researchers, Dorothy Brady and Margaret Reid, likely deserved co-author credit.
Friedman's relationship with his wife Rose is presented (with a couple of personal tragedies and some intellectual disagreements along the way) as solid and vital to his success as a popular writer—though big aspects of it will remain forever opaque, as Rose burned all her correspondence with her husband.
Having written a book this smart and detailed about a libertarian thinker, Burns is oddly reluctant to explain to her readers that there was such a thing as a distinctly American libertarian movement from World War II on.
She notes, for example, that Friedman worked in the 1940s and '50s with the Foundation for Economic Education and the William Volker Fund. She writes that these groups "were part of a broader backlash against Keynesian economics." While calling them "important early manifestations of modern American conservatism," she acknowledges that "neither identified as a conservative organization."
Yet she does not adequately explain that these organizations were foundation stones of a distinct, nonconservative, more radically pro-market and freedom-oriented libertarian intellectual and activist movement. Nor does she stress that Friedman moved near or in this movement from the time it first coalesced after World War II, alongside his more respectable Republican affiliations. (Friedman had advisory relationships of various levels of closeness with Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Reagan.)
As Friedman told me in a 1995 interview, "I have a party membership as a Republican, not because they have any principles, but because that's the way I am the most useful and have most influence. My philosophy is clearly libertarian."
Burns recognizes that after Friedman worked near the libertarian economist F.A. Hayek at the University of Chicago in the 1950s, Hayekian ideas and phrases began showing up in Friedman's writing, and that "shifts in Friedman's thinking emerged clearly in 1956, during a series of summer lectures at Wabash College." These events "were one of several invitation-only summer conferences sponsored by the Volker Fund," and they eventually "would form the seedbed of Capitalism and Freedom," one of Friedman's most influential books. She does not adequately explain, though, that those "shifts" represent a more full-hearted slotting, after some early conflicts and disagreements, into the libertarian movement's beliefs.
That shift in a more libertarian direction is an important part of Friedman's intellectual evolution. From education to monetary policy, the more integrated he became in libertarian communities of affinity that he valued—from the Mont Pelerin Society to the New Individualist Review—the less he believed government should do. (One of his more radical areas of libertarian activism in later years, arguing against the war on drugs, is not mentioned in this book at all.)
Burns' discussion of Friedman's family is thinner than you might expect from a biography of this heft. In one of a mere handful of sentences on his son David, she notes the younger Friedman was an advocate of "anarcho-capitalism" without explaining what that meant in the context of his father's thinking. But Milton Friedman was part of a movement of intellectuals and organizations in which anarchism was an idea he had to grapple with and be judged against. Friedman, truly no conservative, told me in that 1995 interview that he "would like to be a zero-government libertarian" like his son but was discouraged that he didn't see enough "historical examples of that kind of a system developing."
Appearing as it does in the post-Trump era, it is natural that this book would adopt a subtitle like "The Last Conservative." Donald Trump's presidency—based on restricting international trade, refusing to touch entitlement spending, hostility to immigrants (Friedman thought illegal immigration was the best kind), and loose Fed policy to goose the economy for the president's short-term political benefit—was wildly anti-Friedmanite.
Stressing that Friedman was in fact a libertarian would have helped a reader understand how and why he seems a relic to the conservative movement. The current American right has no use for what Burns characterized as an early 21st century "world closer to [Friedman's] ideal, where capital moved freely across borders, governments retrenched from social spending, and a culture of expressive individualism celebrated freedom above all else."
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Augusto Pinochet was no libertarian.
Milton Friedman supported mandatory universal health insurance. So did Friedrich Hayek.
And Friedman renounced his Honorary positions in Peru when word came out of Pinochet's human rights abuse.
And mistaken positions by otherwise Free-Market Capitalists is no argument for the position. Start again.
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Milton Friedman was one of the greatest thinkers in the modern world, an avid supporter of rationality, individual liberty and free markets. He could present his ideas in a most humble, yet absolutely concise way. He could charm any audience with his gracious manners and humor and he was a veritable mensch. None could beat him in a debate - back when we actually had debates - because his reasoning was always impeccable. He could utilize the simplest explanations to present very complex ideals. His league was that of F.A. Hayek, a profoundly astute man, and the only one comparable to their brilliance who's still with us is Thomas Sowell.
Then again, the only disagreement I could point out in the past decade is or so is that he didn't go far enough with his libertarian ideals concerning the state and its responsibilities. I remember a video interview, one that he gave toward the end of his life, where he pointed out which state institutions should remain. He counted the CDC among those and even spelled out that this is important in case of a pandemic. Well, if covid taught us anything is that the CDC was absolutely useless at best, immensely harmful at worst. So yeah, I could count the number of essential state duties on a lathe-torn hand.
Interesting point about the CDC. I can only assume that Friedman saw them as apolitical and with no social agenda.
Sorry, I was wrong, but I found the video I recalled on the Hoover Inst. yt channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSumJxQ5oy4
The actual quote is this:
Q: Health and human services?
M. F.: There is room for some public health activity... to prevent contagion such as thing for example...
Q: So you'd keep the NIA and CDC?
M.F.: No no, not the NIA those are mostly research agencies no no... that's a question of whether the government should be involved in financing research and that's a very complicated question not an easy one to answer like that...
Q: So you'd eliminate half the Dept. of Health and Human Services?
M.F.: Yes something like...
So I was mostly wrong, he didn't specifically defend the CDC though he pointed out "contagion" may require government involvement. But I'm glad, he was even less wrong than I thought! So he was indeed right about 99% of the time which is still amazing.
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I find the CDC quite useful. But only for the statistics. It does serve a function for, if you will, "keeping track" of health trends, etc.
The NIA could function as a "clearing house" for "best practices," in medicine, such as the Dept of Ed was originally designed to function as "best practices" in Ed.
Unfortunately, all three can be, and often are, used for political goals.
We just saw a 2 year window where they intentionally cooked statistics.
If you had just gotten the jab, they wouldn’t have needed to fabricate the data. Related, did you turn your clocks back and gotten a booster?
The flu covid combo apparently has some fun side effects and now being said not to be used by large segments of the population.
How are the people that refused to flatten their curves going to survive if healthy people don’t take a suspiciously ineffective and harmful experimental treatment?
Can we call people like JFree 'flat curvers?"
If the purple hair fatties don’t drop the weight, they’ll be flat liners sooner than if they had.
The use of curves and lines has me laughing about sarcs description of the Laffer curve being a Laffer line.
A real laffer, eh?
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Yeah, I’m talking about a guess about future tax cuts, which has nothing to do with today (there’s your lie). I’m also not saying that all tax cuts cut into revenue. The Laffer curve is backed up by real evidence. However the Republican mantra is that all tax cuts increase revenue. If that was true than 0% taxes would maximize revenue, which is absurd.
He doesn't understand what a curve is and how to find a local maximum. He described it as a line.
What is a line but a curve with a radius = to infinity
Lines are curves in the mathematical sense. Just sayin'. Technically correct is the best kind of correct.
The mRNA vaccines were proven in multiple clinical trials to be spectacularly effective and remarkably safe. It is disinformation like yours that helped to kill people.
You are making an ass of yourself. A spectacularly successful vaccine would prevent infections and transmission at the very least, which the covid vaccines do not do. There have been spectacularly effective vaccines. We know what that looks like. TO say that the covid vaccines are in the same category is absurd on its face.
Were it not for government financed research, we would have another seven hundred thousand Americans dying of heart disease every year and hundreds of thousands more dying from cancer.
Friedman probably realized that there would eventually a pandemic where America's enemies would spread disinformation in order to kill as many Americans as possible. We see some of that on this web site.
You're right on the second part, the Chinese government did spread a lot of misinformation that helped push many governments around the world to implement highly destructive and damaging policies that did very little to change the ultimate outcomes of the pandemic.
The CDC didn't really "cook" any of the stats. At any point in the duration from Mar 2020-June 2022, the data published on the CDC website was largely contradictory to the spin coming from the "spokes" whatevers in the political offices and from Walensky, Fauci, and Biden.
What was always "cooked" was Walensky's brain; 90% of what she was pushing as "the science" during the pandemic had no meaningful connection to the data that her own agency was publishing on the website. There was even one instance where she went to brief Biden at the WH with some authoritarian policy recommendation and on the same night the agency she was supposedly in charge of put out a press release stating flatly that the same policy she was pitching (they described the policy itself as opposed to mentioning that she was telling the President to push a stronger mandate) was unwarranted according to the case/fatality data that they were seeing; I think it might have been some extension of masking mandates, but I only remember that the two contradictory recommendations were made within 60 minutes of each other.
Centralized agency is everywhere always about as effective as socialism.
That function of 'best practices' is precisely where the interstate compact form can force the focus of a federal agency to remain on helping states to perform those functions rather than being a mastermind in DC. Those compacts are not part of the executive branch. They are established by Congress and managed by the states. Even if they are also partially funded by Congress on an ongoing basis. They are a member of that compact - not a superior.
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There are plenty of private institutions that keep public health statistics. Why is the CDC needed? Why should we trust the CDC numbers?
In a free market, "statistics" are generally communicated via prices. So, roughly, a private equivalent of the CDC wouldn't just publish numbers, it would adjust your health insurance rates based on the risk associated with your activities, lifestyle, and what part of the country you travel to.
The private institutions that keep them get most of their stats from the CDC.
"Keeping public health statistics" by definition refers to institutions that "keep" their own statistics, as opposed to copying it from the CDC.
And by eliminating the CDC, we would encourage more companies and private institutions to collect their own data.
Unfortunately, this makes him a poor advocate for liberty and libertarianism and means that he didn't really understand how libertarian societies function in practice.
So you're saying that Liberty and Libertarianism are irrational?
In prohibitionist Comrade Jack London's "The Unparalelled Invasion," China had prohibition but no CDC.
“Lathe-torn hand?” Ouch! Don’t do that to yourself on account of Government!
...emphasizes the intellectual over the personal...
Definitely not a member of the commentariat.
Ideas! Projection!
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You're inferring sarc said things he swears he didn't. That's lying. Everyone knows that it was Tulpa.
Fair.
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Was it Jose, Jack or Jom this time?
I think the intellectual may refer to when one leftist posted a link to child porn, where another tried to convince folks that the chemical formula for water is HO2, and when yet a different poster talked about a bear leaping from the trunk of one’s car.
No no no.
Clearly the intellectual is the person who starts each comment thread with a pun, and then blames everything on Biden.
Biden is the unfortunate victim of a series of bears escaping trunks incidents. Why it was a bear that cast Biden’s vote to invade Afghanistan. It was also a bear in a trunk that drone strike murdered eight children and an aid worker in Afghanistan after a bear in a trunk extended the negotiated exit deadline. Bears in trunks are responsible for trafficking millions unvetted into the US. Joe is just biden his time until the unintellectual deplorables arrive at this reality. Afterwards, it will be remembered as a minor attraction and HO2 under the bridge.
I'm just happy the two true libertarians are back together rationalizing why everyone who disagrees with the left is a mean girl.
Mean sows in trunks.
Jeff prefers calf.
Not piglet?
Baby goats?
why everyone who disagrees with the left is a mean girl.
No, that's just you and a few others.
There are plenty of people who disagree with The Left who are not a bunch of raging assholes like you and the other mean girls.
"and a few others."
Meaning basically everyone, together with the pedo you're one of the most hated extremist trolls here.
No, I mean "a few others".
And you seem to really like this gaslighting technique a whole lot. Is this because you hang out at 4chan?
Do you think that if you continue to repeat "you're a Nazi", "you're a fascist", "everyone hates you", etc., etc., that I'll come to accept it at some point? That I'll really become a Nazi if you continue to repeat it often enough?
No, but everyone knows you're a retard, Jeffy.
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Looters are fond of Left and Right slurs. Neither one means anything but "other" looter party. But both identify the speaker as a looter desperate to ignore the Libertarian party that wrote the Roe v Wade decision as a plank before it became fashionable.
"Two Libertarians and a Cup"
Bears in trunks are responsible for trafficking millions unvetted into the US.
No no no, that was Joe Biden. Joe Biden personally escorted millions of children into the US as sex slaves. It is known.
Biden has spent three years ignoring his responsibility to vet those wanting to visit. I wouldn’t be surprised if when meeting children trafficked across the border that he would sniff, fondle, and/or grope as he has done on numerous video documented occasions. The most disturbing incident may be the one aired on CSPAN when Biden went after the daughter of Senator Coons (D). Coons and his wife were visibly uncomfortable, but dared not cross the serial groper in chief. Principals not principles.
Bidens DHS no longer does DNA relational tests at the border despite previous numbers showing more than 30% of adults coming across with children are not related. And we wonder why they end up on farms and in factories. It is a mystery.
Biden has spent three years ignoring his responsibility to vet those wanting to visit.
What is your evidence for this claim?
Disclosures in Texas v Biden and Florida v US.
And anecdotally, sending VP Harris there early in his administration. All I recall she managed to accomplish was to film an astroturf NASA video with child actors portraying school kids.
What disclosures? You're going to have to be more specific, I don't follow Newsmax on a daily basis.
Is this one of those cases where the Texas AG files a lawsuit making a bunch of claims, then goes on Fox News to publicize those claims, and everyone on the right just accepts those claims at face value before they have been tested in court?
I wasn’t aware it was on Newsmax. I don’t visit there. Maybe it was covered on Jezebel. If it hadn’t been, it won’t be.
The case was Texas v Biden.
The monthly disclosures were filed individually. Here’s one:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.346680/gov.uscourts.txnd.346680.143.0.pdf
Regarding your Biden (D) and sex trafficking comment, do you have further evidence? The many videos of Biden groping kids is a serial problem. Bit they all point to a crime of opportunity versus a premeditated, planned activity.
So, I don’t see anything in your link about Biden “ignoring his responsibility to vet those wanting to visit”. It is just a bunch of statistics.
Do you think Joe Biden personally escorted millions of children into the US as sex slaves? Yes or no?
Look I get it, you hate Democrats. But hating Democrats doesn't have to lead to derangement syndrome.
In just one month under Biden (D), per Biden’s authority and policy direction, more than double the number illegals were let go inside the US than the entire population of my county. My county is larger than Biden’s home state (Delaware, not Israel as he recently said). Those numbers were provided by the Biden admin as part of the lawsuit disclosure. Keep in mind that was one month’s worth. The other months are similar.
I couldn’t find a coloring book version to help you out. Doubtful this made it into HuffPo, though I don’t know because I avoid that too
I don’t believe Biden is actively involved with child trafficking. The copious video evidence suggests that Biden’s repeated groping and other sexualization of children is based on opportunity of the moment.
Look, I get it. The narrative must be protected at all costs. Even by making obscenely retarded analogies like bears in trunks. Even if Biden (D) voted to invade Afghanistan, then was assistant manager for eight years there, then unilaterally extended the withdraw and bungled it into phrenetic abandonment including drone strike murdering eight children and an aid worker, followed by taking a vacation when Kabul fell, yelling at the press a month before when asked about that likelihood of Kabul falling, snapping back at the media following the disaster with “come on man, that was four days ago” when it was only two. He topped that all off when the bodies of the dead US servicemen we received home by checking his watch. Maybe past great grandpa’s nap time or perhaps checking on the next diaper change. Not sure. Reports at the time were that the bomber had been imprisoned at Bagram, the base he had abandoned without telling any ally in the middle of the night. The detainees were sprung shortly thereafter. But I get it, you gotta carry his water.
In just one month under Biden (D), per Biden’s authority and policy direction, more than double the number illegals were let go inside the US than the entire population of my county.
Umm, migrants who come here and apply for asylum are NOT 'ILLEGALS'. They are following all of the rules. They are applying for asylum LEGALLY.
If you want to argue that many of the migrants who are applying for asylum are exploiting a legal loophole in the law by filing a tenuous claim for asylum when they are in reality economic migrants, not fleeing from genuine oppression, then fine, I think that is a reasonable argument to make. But it is NOT true that the migrants are BREAKING the law in making their asylum claims and it is wrong to label them as 'ILLEGALS'.
When a migrant comes to a border crossing and legally requests asylum, what do you want the Biden admin to do? Turn the migrant away? That would be violating the asylum treaty. It is not at all surprising that the so-called "law and order" conservatives want Biden to break the law if it means stopping those dirty migrants from getting into the country.
And none of this has anything to do with the bear-in-trunks analogy (which was about COVID, not immigration).
I don’t believe Biden is actively involved with child trafficking.
You don't? WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING BIDEN? WHY ARE YOU CARRYING WATER FOR BIDEN? HUH? ARE YOU A FAR-LEFT PROGRESSIVE? HUH????????
That is the level of 'discourse' around here nowadays - either one must accept the most batshit insane things about the Other Tribe, or one must belong to the Other Tribe. If you don't believe Biden is a corrupt criminal pervert then you must be a far-left progressive. There is no other option!
I'm not carrying water for Biden. I'm asking you to provide evidence for your claims. And as I suspected your evidence for your claims is lacking.
"Biden is purposefully and intentionally resettling illegals inside of America!" is a false claim, and pointing out that it's a false claim is not 'carrying water' for Biden, it is standing up for the truth. I detest Biden's immigration policy, because it is mostly the same as Trump's immigration policy (which was mostly the same as Obama's immigration policy, etc.). But he is also not guilty of what you claim he is.
That is to occur at the border/immigration control. As has happens when I visit and work in other countries. I didn’t bypass that, then got picked up elsewhere, and given an “all clear.” A recent incident at the US-Canadian border on the Canada side was far different than how Biden (D) is. It looked a lot like Ottawa doesn’t want millions of unvetted foreigners in her land. Interestingly, neither does the mayor of NYC.
There is some evidence of that published by foreign intelligence. My guess is Germany let it out as payback for when Biden and Obama tapped Merkel’s phone. But it is currently just one video data point. For the time being, based on the many videos documenting it, my belief is that Biden sniffing, groping, and kissing kids is an activity of opportunity and not something planned and coordinated. Given Biden’s advanced dementia, I’m not sure the cognitive ability is present for that. I’m open to being persuaded otherwise if additional evidence surfaces. For the time being, I’ll say that Biden is not personally involved in sex trafficking.
How is a libertarian being presented with copious evidence strongly supporting a position then accepting that position carrying the water? Your assertion is not my position. As was your lie about Newsmax.
Other tribe? You don’t understand libertarians at all. If you read the articles here at Reason, I’ll accept that as part of the why.
Are we moving goalposts now? Biden has ignored his responsibility to vet those wanting to visit. Martha’s Vineyard leans that way. As do some of the border states. The previous cite was Texas and Florida sued. NYC mayor is calling for change to the current failure, though he’s coincidentally got some other problems now.
That is to occur at the border/immigration control.
WHAT is to occur at the border/immigration control? Application for asylum? That is what happens. And then what? What happens to the migrants then? What do you think should happen to them?
Here is the asylum process as of right now:
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/the-affirmative-asylum-process
The problem is, there is a huge backlog of cases, and so it can take years before the Step 5 (Interview) takes place. In the meantime,
As has happens when I visit and work in other countries. I didn’t bypass that, then got picked up elsewhere, and given an “all clear.”
When you visited these foreign countries, did you apply for asylum? No. So it is not a comparable situation.
Illegals sneaking across the border used to be returned and put in the process if they were seeking to immigrate. Under the child groping Biden (D), that has changed.
I followed the protocols of each host nation to be allowed in which involved immigration control at the point of entry. Same thing several states, Gotham, and ostensibly Martha’a Vineyard wants. This state is buckling under the Biden and Harris failure where there is the problem of the state having insufficient housing for them.
The Obama attributed quote seems appropriate, “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.” Didn’t hear Obama speak out in support of keeping any illegals on Martha’s Vineyard when the community was voting them off the island.
The migrants who are sneaking across are still being deported.
The migrants who aren't sneaking anywhere, who go to a port of entry, and apply for asylum, are being treated according to the law.
The facts are not on your side, dude.
In September, Reuters reported that some who crossed illegally and were caught have been allowed to stay.
Do you have a citation for this article?
And thank you for implicitly acknowledging that migrants who apply for asylum at a port of entry are not "illegals".
Reuters. Diaz and Solomon September 22, 2023
They are being allowed in by Biden (D), hence the lawsuits by several states as well as pushback from NYC and Martha’s Vineyard, amongst others.
They are legal as much as Biden (D) using a drone to take out 8 children and an aid worker in Afghanistan was legal. Principals not principles.
They crossed the border illegally from a safe country, and they come from safe countries. They have no valid asylum claim and they did enter illegally. The Biden administration chooses to ignore all that and create the fiction that they are valid asylum applicants.
I could not find that precise citation. Is this the article you are referring to?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-offers-work-permits-half-million-venezuelans-already-country-2023-09-21/
They crossed the border illegally from a safe country, and they come from safe countries.
That is not for you or I to decide, they are entitled to due process for that determination to be made.
Chumby, you wrote a lot of good stuff. You are arguing with someone that if he doesn't protect the Democrats his whole world crashes. Dem's good. GOP/Orange man bad.
He doesn't care about the camps on the border. Ignores Dem Governors are complaining about too many illegal immigrants.
He has his cutout of Biden next to his bed.
You gave it a good shot but time can be spent better staring at the wall than talking to Jeff
If you say "the looter kleptocracy," that automatically includes Biden... plus Reagan, BushBush, Kerry, Wright... everyone drawing pay in a Nixon-subsidized, anti-libertarian party.
Minor attraction? Is that why SPBP2 is such a fan of Biden? He knows they have something in common?
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No, see, I’ve been assured that importing hordes of these people is how you create a stronger country.
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Is this all happening on purpose?
or it is just from pure incompetence?
I go back and forth on this question quite often. Some days it seems like it must be intentional, then other days I just think they are not smart enough for that.
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https://twitter.com/GRITCULT/status/1723282312245244182?t=E-nidCa24-fP7W23hWLAFw&s=19
I think the real news here is
The local government can literally *CHOOSE* to end crime overnight.
And it chooses not to.
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I feel certain those hobos and addicts volunteered to leave out of respect for those two great leaders.
https://twitter.com/darren_stallcup/status/1723419834594250809?t=v7IBnUNCwtQnWhHaO8tAhA&s=19
Breaking: Any arrest made around or near the APEC event zone will be charged federally. SFPD, Highway Patrol, National Guard, FBI and CIA are not fucking around with anybody making trouble. If you are caught breaking the law or causing any disruptions, enforcement will NOT be lenient unlike the typical San Francisco prosecution.
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Red America is the most valuable and most tightly held of all the imperial properties of the GAE. I'm not sure what to do with this peice of information.
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If you define conservative as the GOPe as Reason desires to do, in full agreement. But those who most closely align to Friedman are on the right. Massie, Paul, Ryan, and even Cruz And MTG are more closely aligned than anyone on the left.
But these statements are done to diminish the non uniparty. They want to criticize the right while ignoring the left. Just like they are trying to reform Carter as a libertarian despite the DoE and Died whose departments causes much of our spending and regulations. The whole Green New Deal is done under DoE as an example.
More would be done by going after the uniparty and unelected bureaucracy than broad bushing how wrong conservatives are while ignoring the overwhelming issues of the left.
Reason will prop up Polis while attacking Ryan. It is a sign if mendacity. Books like this are merely cover for the uniparty and government under authoritarian and regulated globalist control currently born out by the left.
If I was you I’d bookmark this comment and post it ten times on every article criticizing Democrats. But I have a life outside the comments.
But I have a life outside the comments.
Don't flatter yourself.
Well he doesn't have any life inside the comments, it must be somewhere, ergo outside the comments.
He does, it's just at the bottom of a bottle.
Wut? The threads you going shit in to cover for the dems?
I criticize both parties here retard.
Unlike you I can criticize the majority of the GOP and entirety of the DNC. I am against the uniparty while you yearn for the neocon party of old. Lol.
I see you made a you comment and didn't address the arguments. Weird. Who knew youre such a hypocrite. Lol.
Unlike you I can criticize the majority of the GOP and entirety of the DNC.
Oh FFS. You carry water for Team Red all the fucking time. You cite exclusively right-wing websites and conflate opinion with news. You offer excuse after excuse for Team Red failures all the time. Your entire world is a right-wing bubble.
And here comes the Nazi to scream "Conservative!" at Jesse.
One true libertarians are always one true hypocrites. The latter being more accurate.
blah blah blah
you are fundamentally no different than the left-wing Twitter mobsters who would scream RACIST at anyone who offered any argument that challenged their views, even ones that were not racist at all. They used name-calling as a substitute for argumentation. That is you.
and no, I don't think Jesse is a "conservative" in the intellectual sense of the word. To be labeled a "conservative" implies adherence to a set of principles that could be fairly labeled conservative. I don't think Jesse has very many fixed principles. Instead he's a propagandist for his tribe.
Good to know. I'd donate to the Sarc campaign if it materializes. (https://bit.ly/3AunUfM)
If you define conservative as the GOPe as Reason desires to do, in full agreement.
Oh, so now we finally know what people like Jesse mean by the term "GOPe". It means intellectuals who actually think critically about issues. Not the "Real Conservatives" like him, who shout and emote and scream "I'm a victim!" and whose entire policy platform is "Pwn The Libs".
"It means intellectuals who actually think critically about issues."
Haha, Jeffy wants you to think kleptocrats like Romney, McCain, Graham and Christie, and neocons like Kristol, Frum and Boot are principled intellectuals.
Jeff is literally doing what I accused Reason of in the OP. The only valid conservatives to jeff are those who let the left win.
No no no. The only Real Conservatives are the ones who have "Pwn The Libs" as the sole item on their policy platform.
It's been so long since I mooted the whining lewserAZ I can't recall which Hitler speeches he copied most often. Mystical bigots sound pretty much alike.
This entire comment by Jesse is just one more attempt by him to gaslight and propagandize in favor of Team Red. Because that is his sole purpose here. I keep saying, if ANYONE here is a fifty-center, it's him. He comes here every day posting articles from right-wing partisan media and pushes right-wing talking points. He thinks The Federalist is a legitimate news site, not a bunch of opinion pieces. Or at least that is what he wants YOU to believe when that is what he presents to you day in and day out.
If there were a debate between Friedman and MTG, is there any question who would win? By the end, Friedman would be beating MTG with his cane.
But these statements are done to diminish the non uniparty. They want to criticize the right while ignoring the left.
No, Jesse, this is a statement criticizing the right, full stop. Which you can't handle, because that is what your propaganda masters on Team Red tell you to do. EVERY criticism of Team Red must be deflected and resisted and spun away, no matter how valid.
He won't allow any criticism of his right-wing masters that isn't also accompanied by an even greater criticism of The Left. Because he is locked into the tribal war bullshit and he has most definitely chosen a side, and he is too intellectually dishonest to understand that it's possible for a criticism of one side to stand on its own without being compared to anything else.
Massie, sure. Paul to a degree. But I would say the so-called GOPe (which includes Ryan) is more aligned to Friedman than those others you listed, since they want open borders, no taxes (at last for corporations) and unfettered free trade. They are the party of big business above all else.
Cruz flips around, so hard to say, but MTG is hard on the MAGA train which means no immigrants, protectionism, and
Lyin' Ted Cruz recites whatever the Pope iv Rome wants the Grabbers Of Pussy to hear.
I basically agree JesseAZ.
Burns, being a Stanford professor (note Stanford's role in the Censorship Industrial Complex re: Covid), and big Democratic donor (see it OpenSecrets), is out to define Friedman as "The Last Conservative" when he was a libertarian; thus, reframing him in a lie, and disparaging/denying libertarianism by excluding it from her book as "The first full biography of America’s most renowned economist" as Amazon advertises it.
Why does she say he's the "Last Conservative"? Perhaps her desire is to have no conservatives, especially libertarians, since he's dead. and no longer has a voice to rebut her propaganda, which would be so easy for him to do if he was alive.
The GOPe RINOs are part of the uniparty, and co-opt libertarians and fiscal conservatives by saying one thing to get elected, then covertly as possible to maintain their re-elections, do the opposite.
Consider John McCain, a GOPe presidential candidate and loser in many ways, who voted to keep Obamacare after promising many times to abolish it. He didn't have to be covert since he was dying, and flew his statist flag with his vote, covering for the other RINOs that didn't want to expose themselves as liars.
Eric Adams had cellphones, iPad seized by FBI as part of corruption investigation
He went against the regime on his immigration stance. That, and he's black. Being black and going off-script is a big no-no for the regime.
Never talk bad about the Biden regime. His Gestapo DOJ will take you down
By some fantastic coincidence, it turns out that every high-profile person who criticizes Washington DC is guilty of several felonies. Weird how that works out.
Except the ones who are false accused, like Hunter, who has no involvement with DC politics.
Look at what the dems did to black fleeing the plantation
Good review, Brian. Sounds like you were kinder than I would have been. It's the new trend to 'expose' all great white Euro-males for using their brilliant wives as tools to their greatness, and then throwing them down the memory hole. Orwell just got that treatment in 'Wifedom.' https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jul/30/my-hunt-for-eileen-george-orwell-erased-wife-anna-funder. It's probably true, those bastard old men. Ms. Burns apparently intimated that Uncle Miltie didn't give his women associates/helpers their proper due and she thought his wife Rose deserved credit for helping to popularize his writings. I don't know, of course. But I too interviewed Friedman, in 2001, and what impressed me most about him was that at 89 he spoke as clearly and coherently and persuasively as he wrote. I interviewed hundreds of smart and/or important and/or famous people for my weekly Q&As in the 2000s, including you. When I transcribed the interviews, I swear Friedman's was the only one that did not have to be edited in any way for clarity or sense. What he said in this Q&A, I printed. https://clips.substack.com/p/q-and-a-milton-friedman-popularizer?utm_source=%2Fsearch%2Ffriedman&utm_medium=reader2
When is Krugman going to give his wife a byline?
If that remark is about Sonia, her editing of the Orwell Letters and Journalism is interesting. Eric Blair seasoned his references to the Soviet kleptocracy with speculation about the bad things he expected Communism to do if it got its hands on nuclear weapons. Her index elides every reference to those statements, however pale or tangential. Thanks to Ted Hall, Claus Fuchs, Greenglass, Gold and Slack, our Soviet allies had detailed plans for the Bomb before our British allies mastered PU metallurgy on their own.
>The inflation of the past two years has helped revive the world's belief in Friedman's connection between growth in the money supply and growth in prices.
I don’t understand how anyone could think that more cash wouldn’t lead to higher prices.
Vast cash being dumped into the economy like leaflets out of cargo planes, while suppressing or forbidding about 1/3 of business activity. Is incompetence still a reasonable explanation, or is it time to go to evil?
My theory is deep intense hatred of Trump for not being shameable like a proper politician, and the Dems finally finding something they could do (lockdowns) that Trump (a) didn't care about, and (b) couldn't do anything about.
People don't want to believe in the law of supply and demand when it comes to things they want
A bit long, but a lot of information regarding the “man hunt.” They stalked this guy for 3 months but tried an armed raid against him. The charge is apparently using pepper spray. Something that was done dozens of times during BLM riots.
Reminder. This and J6 arrests are still the only actions by cops sarc refuses to criticize. 1200 people now arrested. Vast majority committed no violence or vandalism.
Now from Julie Kelly.
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Here’s Kelly’s entire post:
I just spoke with Todd Yetman, brother of Gregory, the man hunted down by FBI for J6 related offenses.
The conversation was sad, infuriating, and in some instances, funny.
First, he said the FBI staked out their home for THREE MONTHS prior to the raid on Wednesday am.
(Todd, Greg, and another brother live together in the home their father built in NJ).
After Todd and his other brother left for work after 6am, Greg left the house around 7am to go to work. They all work for same company.
That’s when armed FBI agents and SWAT vehicles surrounded Greg.
“Greg walked out, froze in the face of guns drawn, and ran.”
A woman who lives with them heard the commotion. When she opened the door, she faced armed agents who told her to get on the ground. She thought they were being robbed.
About 30 armed agents stormed the house and property. They threw flashbangs inside areas of the property including the garage. This resulted in broken windows of vehicles and a boat.
“They went nutty, tore up the house, stuff scattered everywhere.”
Agents told Todd, after he returned to the house that afternoon from work, to open his gun safe. When he refused, they told him if he didn’t, they would break it open. Although not a defendant, FBI took his guns and ammo.
Todd confronted the agents, asking “who killed someone?” They treated my brother like a criminal, Todd said.
Vehicles were everywhere blocking the driveway and parked around the property. FBI and local law enforcement used helicopters, drones, and search dogs to try to track down Greg. That’s when Todd again confronted agents.
“Go get Hunter, go get Joe Biden,” Todd said. “Everyone of you is corrupt, you’re all Joe Biden’s puppets.” He demanded to know why they were not arresting Antifa and BLM.
They then asked him not to be rude, lol.
News reporters were staked out near the house the entire time. The FBI asked Todd if the media tried to interview him. He said no, but he hoped they had. “They are as corrupt as you guys.”
Law enforcement issued an emergency bulletin to neighbors to shelter in place. Even the small town’s mayor told residents Yetman was not a threat.
Greg Yetman turned himself in this morning without incident. Todd doesn’t know where his brother went the past 2 nights or where he is now.
“He would give you the shirt off his back,” Todd said. “He helps everyone.”
Greg, according to his brother, served in Afghanistan and Iraq. He also worked as a guard at Gitmo. He’s been a National Guardsman since–but he quit after refusing to take the Covid jab.
“I am sick to my stomach,” Todd said. “There will be no justice, that’s the sad thing about it. I feel bad for the country and for my kids.”
As of tonight, DOJ has not yet filed any charging documents detailing Greg’s offenses. Some reports claim Greg used pepper spray against police. Even so, this is not the normal protocol for arresting an individual accused of spraying police nearly 3 years later.
This is all about optics and juicing DOJ’s “domestic terror” data ahead of Trump’s J6 trial–Jack Smith recently admitted in a motion that the trial would prove Trump was responsible for the events of January 6. Also, this account is consistent with other accounts of FBI raids against Jan 6 protesters.
And Greg Yetman wasn’t the only American arrested this week for Jan 6. Five others have been charged including 2 women on trespassing misdemeanors.
DOJ boasted in a J6 update this week that more than 1,200 individuals have been arrested and charged over the four-hour disturbance.
US Atty Matthew Graves warned the final count could exceed 2,000.
Police state.
The actual anthrax letter mailer has never been charged. Priorities.
The worst instance is still the pastor that had a morning raid even after the guys lawyer told the DoJ he would surrender whenever they asked. He is suing the DoJ now. His crime? Praying more than 100 ft from an abortion center.
Did the pastor also own a MyPillow pillow?
Don't you mean "Mean Girls Pillow?"
MyPillow non-birthing person selling MyPillow mean birthing persons pillows
And it doesn't even identify as a pillow.
Does it want to be a Snuggie?
Yes we know.
People who commit legitimate crimes and are members of Our Tribe, are being persecuted for political reasons, and holding them accountable by law enforcement is evidence of a police state.
People who commit legitimate crimes and are members of Their Tribe, are facing the punishment that they deserve, and holding them accountable by law enforcement is a just application of the rule of law.
This article is literal right-wing propaganda. It is one-sided teary-eyed drivel from the family of the defendant. It is very short on facts, and very long on generating an emotional response. Even this article admits we don’t know what the specific charges are against this man. It *might* have been just using pepper spray, but it *might* have been much more than that too.
If this type of article had been written about anyone arrested in connection with a BLM riot, it would have been roundly mocked around here.
This article, and articles like this, have only one purpose: to push a narrative that Real American Patriots like Greg here are being persecuted by the Evil and Corrupt Biden Regime for their Patriotic Resistance. Who cares what Greg’s actual crimes are? What’s important here is that another dissident is being thrown into the gulag!
But the collective result of all of these articles, and the “Jan. 6 rioters as political prisoners” narrative, has a much more corrosive effect: to normalize the Jan. 6 riot, and to tacitly lend credence to the idea that they did nothing wrong, and that storming the Capitol is an acceptable response if True Patriots think that the election was stolen from them. And THAT is dangerous. The transition of power must be decided by the vote, not by mobs storming the Capitol.
A serious critic would write a blog pointing out which Reason articles are by good looters and which are by that other kind.
Not sure why Jeff is commenting here as he thinks all of them could have been shot for trespassing on sacred government grounds. Apparently 1 shot to death and 1 beaten to death wasn’t good enough for his jollies.
I wonder if that would have been the same position regarding the trespassing hecklers that delayed the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing.
I mean Palestinian protestors have done it 3 times in the last month, all interrupting congressional business.
If they are not a deadly threat (armed with deadly weapon and threatening or already used a deadly weapon to commit GBH, none of them should be shot either).
Congress seems to be playing both sides by sending materiel to Tel Aviv while not arresting pro-Palestine vandals.
Not sure why Jeff is commenting here as he thinks all of them could have been shot for trespassing on sacred government grounds.
Actually, that is Jesse's position.
https://reason.com/2023/11/07/10000-dead/?comments=true#comment-10307482
The NAP doesn’t require a proportional response.
So, according to Jesse, lethal force in response to a NAP violation like trespassing is totes legit.
Summary:
Un-American asshole earns an arrest warrant (assaulting federal officers with weapon, among other alleged offenses).
Un-American asshole runs from law enforcement officials attempting to execute lawful warrant.
Law enforcement officials do not hurt the fleeing gun nut.
Un-American asshole's family (including adult brothers who still reside with 40-something insurrectionist) objects to a standard search of Un-American asshole's residence.
Un-American asshole's family whines a lot and says stupid shit.
Un-American asshole surrenders and is held for trial.
(More important: More than 700 insurrectionists have been convicted and sentences; another 500 have been arrested and are awaiting criminal accountability; and law enforcement has indicated another 800 could be arrested before the investigation and prosecutions have concluded.)
It will be fun to watch the video of you being tarred and feathered.
That would cause a tar and feather shortage.
All-talk, ready-for-replacement clingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.
You get to whine about it all you like, of course, but you will continue to comply with the preferences of your betters.
Fuck off, clinger.
The part about the Capitol police finally getting off their tails and busting 1200 of those Reichstag-burning christianofascists is good news. Their monkey-see, monkey-Trumpanzee copycats in Brazil mostly hide behind the skirts of other kleptocracy looters with Pull.
The most pitiful and embarrassing thing you'll see this weekend:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/1723407750690897948?t=ROcn6h0Sci88CQ16_GonGA&s=19
This is our so-called "president".
Feel bad for the staffer that has to change the diapers on that.
Was he told to wait 5s but then realize he didn't use Mississippi between counts?
Maybe he was singing the Fetterman song.
This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvvHXjKloNs
Uh-oh. The GOP moderates have grown a spine.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4304649-house-gop-cuts-speaker-johnsons-honeymoon-short/
All hail the uniparty.
I don't even know what you all mean by 'uniparty'. Do you really think that, say, Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell secretly belong to the same party?
Aside from judges, can anyone point to a policy difference that McConnell actually will die over?
You mean, literal death? Probably none.
You mean, something to risk his own career over? Probably none as well, including judges.
I think disagreement on policy should not be confused with a willingness to manifest that policy difference in a manner that risks one's own political career.
Well then what the hell is the point of having more than one political party? If nobody is willing to die on any hill, then all disputes inevitably go to the party willing to expand the state.
The whole system is designed to operate on compromise.
Our system is not. It's why states had primacy over the feds.
Yes it is. That is why it is deliberately not built on a parliamentary model, which the Founding Fathers knew all too well how it worked.
The way it is supposed to work is, power is so spread out and decentralized over so many areas - the executive, the legislature, the courts, the states - that in order to do something meaningful, a compromise must be reached that is acceptable to all parties. That is hard to do when there are so many parties involved, and so that means the compromise that will be reached will not be some ideological triumph but some pragmatic solution.
There is no compromise between an all powerful state and not.
The all powerful side wins, every single time.
If the majority of Americans wanted smaller government, then BOTH parties ("sides") would adopt such policies and they would pass.
That is why people accuse the two parties of being a "uniparty": they agree on a huge range of policies; they do that because large numbers of Americans agree on those policies, and choosing the minority side of those policy differences would mean that the party that chooses that side loses.
The US has a two party WTA system. The point of parties in a two party WTA system is for each party to attempt to get 50% of the vote by adopting policies that target the median voter. That way, each party ends up close to the middle on policies. In a two party WTA system, parties do not represent fixed ideologies.
This is different from political parties in a parliamentary system, where the point of parties is to represent specific groups of voters and specific ideologies.
If Americans wanted smaller government, the two party system would deliver it.
Multi-party parliamentary system like in Europe, in contrast, generally allow statists and authoritarians to hijack the political system, as history shows time and again.
The Trumpanzees over at Zero Sledge are finally admitting--holding their pocket handkerchiefs before their streaming eyes--that although Robert Dear, The Army of God, Greene-Teeth and Graham Cracker are all MORALLY correct in wanting vigilantes to rain bullets on Planned Parenthood clinics to enforce women's "duty to The Party." They recommend lying, cross-dressing, infiltration and unfeigned cluelessness as the long-term recipe for boodle, pelf, trunks in the trough and eventual reenslavement of uppity females. See LP ditches nazi girl-bullier https://bit.ly/43n2Kfs
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1723409064120463598?t=lbuCdayFuB0UTCclGKSuZA&s=19
In all of these videos from London, we only really see the police trying to restricted the British citizens.
The police seem to be letting the Muslims do whatever they want. Is this accurate? Is there a double standard in what the London police a choosing to restrict in terms of protestors?
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The police seem to be letting the Muslims do whatever they want. Is this accurate?
Yes, it is. They are outnumbered, they are afraid.
Must watch, if you haven't already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoWViuG5VYs
Hoover Institution. Reagan administration. Goldwater campaign.
Mentor to wingnuts. Collector of baubles and trinkets from right-wingers. Trustee of the Philadelphia Society. Licker of Pinochet's boots.
But not a conservative?
See my response to Charliehall above.
Carry On Klinger! And why don't you use your flourishing cape and see if you can fly with it off of a helicopter!
https://news.yahoo.com/greg-gutfeld-tells-women-reason-164001669.html
So, Greg Gutfeld thinks that the reason women have abortion is because they are afraid of becoming moms.
What he forgets (or, more likely, didn't know) is that about 60% of women who have abortions are already moms in the first place.
Maybe you should stick to The View.
As it turns out, people do actually change when they have kids.
60%? Hate to White Mike you but we're gonna need a cite for that figure. Maybe in the 70s that was true. Not these days when single ladies are having 4 or 5 alone.
It's how ladies vote that caused Christianofascism to infiltrate the LP to make it woman-hostile. So successful was the sabotage there is finally no hope the Caucasian rump LP can even draw off enough spoiler votes to reshuffle a single Dem State, much less thirteen. The Dems struggle to believe the female Econazi candidate beat St. Hillary just as the male-ish Econazi candidate gored St Albert. I'm hoping the Orange Hitler party keeps girl-bullying at the top of its agenda, as the earlier versions did Demon Rum and Stock Market Jyooz. LP ditches nazi girl-bullier (https://bit.ly/43n2Kfs)
I didn't believe it either.
Six in 10 women who have abortions are already mothers, and half of them have two or more children, according to 2019 data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “One of the main reasons people report wanting to have an abortion is so they can be a better parent to the kids they already have,” Professor Upadhyay said.
American conservatives were, and continue to be, more libertarian than the so-called "libertarian movement" or "libertarian party".
Not all of them. See the ones Jeff is praising above.
GOPe is fill on uniparty and pro state.
See the ones Jeff is praising above.
lol Jesse isn't even reading my comments (or claims not to, anyway)
GOP =/= conservatives
"Burns is oddly reluctant to explain to her readers that there was such a thing as a distinctly American libertarian movement from World War II on." This is doubly dishonest, since Prof Tara Smith of UTexas Austin decades back produced a synthesis of Ayn Rand's conclusions, all from academic papers and books by post WW2 philosophy profs. Moral Rights and Political Freedom sets forth the whole enchilada tersely and forthrightly. The NAP itself Ayn wrote in February 1947, as nazis stretched ropes in Nurenburg.
Friedman also does not explain the Crash or Depression. He ignores League of Nations drug prohibitionism and Congressional law making beer a felony in Q1 1929. The Crash simply appeared from nowhere. Only then, sez Friedman, did the Fed zig when it should've zagged--as if the thing had nothing to so with rigid enforcement of ALL sumptuary laws in the States and the entire planet. The market changed sign O2SEP1929 as the League acted on "drug" stomping after crushing beer underfoot. Remember Volstead asset forfeiture? European misgivings... (https://bit.ly/43o055d)
Uh oh. Trump may be in trouble for a gun law violation.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-mar-lago-glock-auction-law-1842854
Summary: He auctioned off a gun, which he may not be allowed to do since he is under indictment.
Personally I think the law in question is bullshit. Then again, I am not the one who made a huge fucking deal about Hunter Biden violating a gun law and how the law must be applied as written.
FTFA:
How does auctioning off a firearm fall under that law?
You're a TDS addled POS.
You are correct: Hunter Biden should instead be rotting in prison for tax evasion, participating in a criminal conspiracy with his father, and failure to register as a foreign agent.
Police, attention. An anonymous sockie at Reason sez that gun laws is bullshit. Y'all are therefore instructed to ignore it, let Robert Dear buy a gun and stay away from infringement. End of message.
You have brought attention as to why gun laws and drug prohibition are so toxic.
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Did I Reason-hot-take that about right?
Here's a Libertarian Party candidate that even Jesse can support. And from Arizona too!
https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/elections/jacob-chansley-intends-run-office-arizona/75-ceb89d96-4973-4dd6-bbd9-0fe8fde55db2
'QAnon Shaman' Jacob Chansley files paperwork stating he intends to run for office in Arizona
Chansley filed a "candidate statement of interest" to run as a Libertarian for Arizona’s 8th Congressional District in Congress.
Speaker Johnson comes out in favor of "laddered CR".
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/speaker-mike-johnson-pitches-republicans-plan-avert-government/story?id=104823301
Why do all Reason writers always have to go out of their way to include a Trump slam but never an Obama slam?
Can't they just write a straight story or would that be too libertarian?
Whutza Trump slam, Burner? Izzat where four aces and a king beat four kings and an ace?
In Milton Friedman's support of illegal immigration there was no welfare state.
Reason clearly has gone Marxist.
You can always tell leftist pundits - they try to claim that "Conservatives" are somehow different from Libertarians in principle - usually by pointing to certain fundamentalist religious beliefs of people who aren't really Conservative but vote R.
Conservative / right wing ideology today in the USA is effectively Classical Liberalism - the one and only philosophy of Liberty, and the only ideology which is mentally, spiritually, ethically, and politically healthy.
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In plain English: Conservatives support Hitler's old age pension and foreigner expulsionism, Marx's welfare state, Prohibition party War on ALL Substances plus girl-bullying Comstockism, tariff protectionism and exportation of all such drivel to other countries by bribery, infiltration and murder. No thanks. Full 1972 text with abortion plank highlighted (https://bit.ly/3PPpvBW)
You can always tell leftist pundits – they try to claim that “Conservatives” are somehow different from Libertarians in principle
Starting off by poisoning the well…nice!
Let’s start with conservative principles, or rather, heuristics, as presented by people such as Burke and Oakeshott:
* Great deference to existing institutions and practice; and belief in the wisdom of experience
* Likewise deference to traditional values
* Accepting that where change is necessary it should be nonetheless incremental
* Concern that new policies give rise to unintended consequences
* A preference for pragmatism over principle
* Scepticism of ideology in general, and untested “rational” ideologies in particular as ideologies tend to run counter to these conservative heuristics
Where the fuck does libertarianism accord with any of this? It has never been tried at any kind of scale, it is in direct opposition to traditional values, and runs counter to many of the other heuristics above.
American conservatism and libertarianism seem united only by the idea that the gubment should stay out of muh bidness, and where they diverge is how much attention the gubment should pay to “those people’s” bidness – and many American conservatives, including the White Grievance claque here, seem to like the cachet of calling themselves libertarians, while seldom if ever criticising any non-libertarian conservative policy.
It is not uncommon here to find a self-styled libertarian who is opposed to most if not all of SSM, abortion, drug legalisation, free trade, largely open borders, etc and who will defer to the police and the justice system where the victim of these is one of those people – though they will condemn the police and justice system specifically in the case of Jan 6 rioters, and Trump and his Merrie Men, and they might point to their opposition to civil asset forfeiture as evidence of their libertarian credentials.
It is not uncommon here to find a self-styled libertarian who is blah blah blah...
Names?
JesseAz, for one. But he is the most evident to me. I see others whose names I don't necessarily notice.
Thanks for agreeing with the first part of my post, though.
I'm convinced that JesseAz isn't a libertarian nor a conservative, he is just an asshole. He comes here because he wants the freedom to spew and yell and be mean and no one will shut him up.
The traditional form of government, money, and social organization in the US is, in fact, small government, private money, self-reliance, based on traditional values, and based on long-standing (private) institutions. That is, the traditional form of government in the US is libertarian, and hence conservatism and libertarianism coincide in the US.
That's different from Europe, where conservatism conserves monarchy and authoritarian government.
“Traditional values” is one place where the split goes. Traditional values include opposition to abortion, SSM, pornography, legalisation of drugs; and support for all manner of voting restrictions, religion in the public square, etc. And of course acceptance of government power where the government agents are local police forces, sheriffs, etc.* NONE of these are libertarian.
Could you really not see how “traditional values” conflict with libertarian ideas?
* Owing to the US’s federal system, it seems to me that all too often people’s libertarian ideas are wrt the Federal government, But they’re happy with state government “interference”. Leaving some authoritarian policy to the states is not remotely libertarian, though it does seem to be how some conservatives rationalise their claims to be libertarian.
No, it's not. Both libertarians and conservatives hold traditional values (opposition to abortion, SSM, pornography, drugs). If you don't hold those values, you cannot be a libertarian. Whether government imposes those values by law is a separate matter; under libertarianism, those values are self-enforcing.
The way HOAs, privatized infrastructure, etc. operate is that their owners vote on how they operate. Therefore, libertarians favor stronger restrictions on voting than any conservatives or progressives.
Libertarians believe that all infrastructure and public services should be privatized and that private property owners have total authority over the rules under which private property is used. That is, the difference between libertarianism and totalitarianism is not in the level of control, but in who gets to exercise that control. Under libertarianism, it is property owners, under totalitarianism, it is the state.
What you want, namely minimizing state restrictions on personal freedoms while maintaining universal suffrage and public ownership of infrastructure is not "libertarian", it's communist totalitarianism.
No, it’s not. Both libertarians and conservatives hold traditional values (opposition to abortion, SSM, pornography, drugs). If you don’t hold those values, you cannot be a libertarian. Whether government imposes those values by law is a separate matter; under libertarianism, those values are self-enforcing.
Nice wriggling there. A libertarian might go so far as to say that they don't want to enter a SSM, don't want porn, don't want to take drugs, and don't want an abortion but they would not oppose other people doing it. And to claim, as you do, that libertarians do not personally support SSM or abortion rights or people taking drugs if they so choose is utterly bizarre.
And have you any evidence for this basically 100% overlap between libertarian and conservative values? Nope.
The current American right has no use for what Burns characterized as an early 21st century "world closer to [Friedman's] ideal, where capital moved freely across borders, governments retrenched from social spending, and a culture of expressive individualism celebrated freedom above all else."
Can we get a detailed breakdown on the American Left's thoughts on:
Capital moving freely across borders
Government retrenching from social spending
And... the culture if expressive individualism which celebrates freedom above all else?
I'll take your answer off the air.
“I have a party membership as a Republican, not because they have any principles, but because that’s the way I am the most useful and have most influence. My philosophy is clearly libertarian.”
Makes one wonder which party you might reluctantly vote for, not because it had any principles, but because your influence for things like:
Might have the most traction.