Arbitrary Restrictions Explain Why Trump Was Not Allowed To Buy That Glock
Before correcting the record, the former president's spokesman inadvertently implicated him in a federal crime.

Did you know that Glock makes a special Donald Trump edition of its popular G19 pistol? The gold-colored handgun, which retails for $830, features a drawing of the former president on the grip against a stars-and-stripes background, plus the phrase "Trump 45th" and the presidential seal on the barrel. Trump admired the weapon during a visit to a Palmetto State Armory outlet in Summerville, South Carolina, on Monday—so much so that, according to a social media post that Trump spokesman Steven Cheung later deleted and corrected, he bought one from the store.
"President Trump buys a @GLOCKInc in South Carolina!" Cheung wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. That caption accompanied a video of Trump's visit, during which he twice remarked, "I want to buy one." Someone else could be heard saying, "That's a popular model." The seemingly innocuous post was immediately controversial, because it inadvertently implicated Trump in a federal felony.
Since Trump is under indictment for crimes punishable by more than a year of incarceration, it is illegal for him to "receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce." Willfully violating that provision is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.
Cheung took down the video within two hours of posting it, and the Trump campaign issued a corrective statement: "President Trump did not purchase or take possession of the firearm. He simply indicated that he wanted one."
This episode should be more than an occasion for mockery by Trump's opponents, because it illustrates the arbitrariness of federal laws that bar people from buying or possessing firearms even when they have no history of violence. It is bad enough that Americans permanently lose their Second Amendment rights when they are convicted of nonviolent felonies such as drug offenses. The provision that Trump would have violated if he had done what Cheung initially reported goes even further, barring gun purchases by people who have merely been accused of crimes, provided the potential penalty exceeds a year behind bars.
Unless you count Trump's 2016 boast that "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters," there is little reason to think he would be inclined to use a gun for criminal purposes. The charges lodged against him in the four indictments he currently faces range from trivial (e.g., bookkeeping entries allegedly aimed at concealing a hush money payment that was not inherently criminal) to grave (e.g., conspiring to overturn a presidential election). But none of them suggests that Trump's possession of a firearm would pose a serious threat to public safety. And for the time being, they remain unproven allegations.
It clearly never occurred to Cheung that Trump, who so far has no criminal record, nevertheless would not be allowed to exercise his Second Amendment rights by purchasing a legal firearm from a federally licensed dealer—or that such a transaction also would expose the dealer to criminal liability for selling Trump a gun while "knowing or having reasonable cause to believe" that he was "under indictment for…a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year." While you could attribute Cheung's oversight to arrogance, an alternative explanation is a naïve belief that federal gun laws make sense.
Trump's close call should (but probably won't) make his supporters less keen on the idea of sending Hunter Biden to prison for violating another, equally arbitrary provision of the same statute: the ban on gun possession by unlawful users of controlled substances. The current maximum penalty for breaking that rule, which applies even to people who use marijuana in states where it is legal, is 15 years in prison, although it was 10 years when Biden made the 2018 gun purchase that triggered his prosecution.
Biden faces two additional felony charges, both based on his false denial of illegal drug use on the form he filled out when he bought that revolver. If Trump had actually tried to buy the Glock 19 with his face on it, he would have had to complete the same form. In addition to inquiring about drug use and criminal convictions, it asks, "Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?" That question might have alerted Trump to his potential legal jeopardy. But if he had checked "no," that answer in itself could have been the basis for charges that carry combined maximum penalties of 15 years in prison.
Another complication: Even if he were not under indictment, Trump could have legally completed the sale only by having the pistol shipped to a dealer in Florida, where he resides. That rule applies to handguns but not rifles or shotguns.
The constitutionality of these gun laws is unsettled. Biden's father, who also happens to be Trump's likely opponent in next year's presidential election, insists that the ban his son violated is "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation"—the test that the U.S. Supreme Court has said gun control laws must pass. But several federal judges, including a unanimous panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, have said the provision fails that test.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit likewise has questioned the constitutionality of the ban on gun ownership by people with certain kinds of criminal records. In June, it said that policy was unconstitutional as applied to a Pennsylvania man who had been convicted of food stamp fraud—a misdemeanor that nevertheless triggered the federal disqualification because it was theoretically punishable by more than a year of incarceration.
As a dissenting judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett went even further, saying a felony mail fraud conviction did not justify the loss of Second Amendment rights. "History is consistent with common sense: it demonstrates that legislatures have the power to prohibit dangerous people from possessing guns," Barrett wrote. "But that power extends only to people who are dangerous."
Last week, a federal judge in Texas issued a decision that is directly relevant to the provision that Trump would have violated if he had bought a gun. Dismissing a charge under that provision, U.S. District Judge David Counts said his consideration of the relevant history, while "not exhaustive," did not support a "tradition" of prohibiting firearm purchases by people facing felony indictments. "The Second Amendment is not a 'second class right,'" he wrote. "No longer can courts balance away a constitutional right."
In short, there are good reasons to think arbitrary gun restrictions like these are unconstitutional as well as unfair and illogical. Those reasons do not hinge on whether you happen to like the people to whom the restrictions apply.
[This post has been updated with information about restrictions on interstate handgun sales and a description of Judge Counts' ruling.]
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Trump can just lie on the form where asks if you are under indictment. Experts have told me lying on a federal form in not a crime.
See Landoverbaptist.org for proof that Our Beloved Fuhrer is being framed by Noo Yawk Jyoos. #GottMittUns
Barf
You don’t want a gold plated polymer gun? What could be classier ?
Sequins on the handle.
I think I’ve already seen one like that.
Hello Kitty cute pink guns!
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This Is What Happens When You Sell Pink Guns That Look Like Toys
I recall “cute” paint jobs on guns, from years ago, and didn’t mean to scare up a scary article like this… All I can say is… God-damned STUPID irresponsible parents and-or gun owners!!!! (Not raining on gun rights; raining on stupid, here, I am…)
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A Hello Kitty assault rifle that actually exists
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Let’s send some of these to Ukraine; scare the shit outta the Rooskies!!!
A Hello Kitty assault rifle that actually exists
Heck. They ought to send pink guns to Texas, where unarmed fertile women are endangered by anarcofascist fugitive slave laws. Colorado shooter Robert Dear, freelance extralegal prohibition enforcement agent jailed in Colorado for exercising 2A rights against Siamese Twin conspirators, is seeking extradition to and political asylum in Grand Goblin Greg's Lone Star State where he plans to reenlist in the Army of God.
"anarcofascist"
*facepalm*
Don't criticize or mock the "translator". It's much better when lunatics feel free to declare themselves than when they are driven underground and try to conceal their lunacy.
No prob with the gun, my comment was for the article.
Prize winner for saddest “BOAF SIDEZ” attempt
"Gold-colored" not gold plated.
That’s much better.
Son, only a pimp in a Louisiana whore- house carries pearl-handled revolvers. These are
ivoryGold-colored.comment deleted
Wait, what'd I miss?
I was so excited I actually got to use a Patton quote. Somehow, that sort of thing doesn't come up all that often in normal life.
“Unless you count Trump’s 2016 boast that “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters,”
That's one, which brings the number of felony indictment counts to 92.
They should probably amend the quote to be "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and be indicted for it."
He could be in Florida and be indicted for it.
He remains not guilty until he asks for a change of venue to his Aberdeen golf course in hope of a Scotch verdict.
He remains guilty until proven innocent. Do try to keep up.
Trump’s vulgarity is unquestionable and his madness may rival your own.
Also, any "evidence" that might contradict his guilt is clearly part of a "Russian Disinformation" campaign, since it's been "proven" since 2016 that he's actually an agent of the GRU, as is Mueller who helped in the cover-up by pretending to have not found anything in a multi-$Million budgeted investigation.
Except Trump literactually said, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters”. And the whole point of quoting someone is you stick to what they literactually said.
That’s literactually true.
You’re quite the wordsmith.
It's called a hypothetical.
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It seemed like a boast at the time, but doesn't seem entirely removed from the truth nowadays.
Will no one stop that menace to the public?
Third degree boasting.
He’s literally Hitler.
According to most people I know, he's the single worst possible person who could possibly seek any office in human history. Also, Rick Perry, Ron Desantis, Marco Rubio, Greg Abbott, and Ted Cruz are all worse.
This episode should be more than an occasion for mockery by Trump's opponents,
Is the mockery deserved because you support the novel crime construction to go after political enemies? Why is it an occasion for mockery at all?
They have no problem inventing crimes to get people they hate.
It’s the libertarian way.
Unleash the Hair Police.
They added another one today claiming it is illegal for Trump to put a value on his property when the banks decline to do their own independent evaluation of the properties. Even when Trump fully paid back the loans. Quite the crime.
Judge declared it a crime.
When it’s not Orwellian it’s Kafkaesque.
Trump voters are few in the middle of 5th Avenue
Hypothetical: an investment advisor tells you that he has an investment opportunity in real estate which may return you 20%, trust me. You do trust him. He flies down to Vegas, puts all your money on red. It comes up red, he returns, and gives you back your money plus 20%. It’s still fraud, even though you got your money back.
The issue is whether his disclaimers stood up – and the judge said they didn’t, presumably reasoning that the use of the disclaimers, in context, was itself fraudulent.
BTW the judge did not declare it a crime. It was a civil case.
So you want to make it illegal for someone making a trade to be duped for not doing due diligence.
Quite the state power you want to grant. Should government approve all contracts before signing?
Investors are responsible for their research.
When fraud occurs it is a bait and switch of agreed to terms of the loan. Ie invest in X and they invest in Y. That didnt happen with trump. The agreement was over collateral. It is on the lender to evaluate if the collateral is sufficient.
In this case the banks accepted the evaluations they were provided. They were free to do their own valuations.
What drivel.
It is already unlawful to dupe someone if you misrepresent something – I’m not trying to create laws where none existed. What the fuck do you think fraudulent misrepresentation is? And summary judgment does suggest that the breaking of NY state law was clear cut on the facts. Or perhaps you don't know how "law" works and think that if you disagree with something there isn't a law about it.
It may be a mitigation that the person you conned should have done more to stop themselves being conned, but a con doesn’t become legit because the person you conned was lazy.
The only reason you’re pissed off about this is because Trump is the losing party and apparently you think he should be exempt from trial.
And given that you thought it was a criminal case not civil, it’s reasonable to question how much you know/understand here.
You probably duped some people when you claimed you’re not a lefty. Off to jail.
Fuck off, peasant.
The bank made money on the fraud, shouldn't they be charged too?
SRG2, you suck at crime.
Not an argument - not that you ever make one. At least JesseAz has the guts to debate. All you do is fling poo.
I don’t think it was meant to be an argument. Some might take being told they suck at crime as a compliment.
I am shocked, SHOCKED to hear that Trumpanzees are flinging poo in our zoo!
Don't you have to lose to have standing, and prove injury? How are you injured if you are paid off as promised?
The suit wasn't brought by the banks but by the NY AG. for violation of NY state law. That it was a summary judgment pretty much tells you everything you need to know.
Lying Jeffy doesn’t see the problem with this statement.
Hypothetical: Gov’na shrike makes up a stupid analogy comparing real estate valuations to roulette.
Oh wait, that’s not a hypothetical, that just happened.
Way to misunderstand the analogy. Just in case you're not utterly stupid, though, the point of the analogy is that lying to get people to invest with you is an offence even if you return the funds later. Capeesh?
But the bank was in on it and profited, yet not charged.
Why is it an occasion for mockery at all?
I don't get the joke either. Unless he signed the law that he would have broken. That would be comedy gold.
You mean like Biden and Hunter. Which i haven't seen you mock for some reason despite happening.
No. That’s not what I said. I said that this story would be funny if Trump was denied the purchase of a gun by a law that he was responsible for (pssst, that’s called “irony”), but otherwise I’m not getting the joke.
As far as Hunter is concerned I think many of the laws he’s charged with breaking go against the Constitution (pssst, that's called being principled), just like the one Trump would have broken had he purchased that gun.
Wow. You really are retarded.
Joe passed a law making lying on a federal gun form have more penalty. Hunter lied on a federal gun form. They did exactly what you said would be funny for Trump. You didn't mock them.
Because you defend democrats. Lol.
He won’t get it.
I didn't know. But you will always assume malice when ignorance could be the reason.
Malice and ignorance are your core values.
And you accuse me of drunk posting.
Cuz it’s true. Drink more rummy.
Tell me more about your family.
Aaaand you see ignorance as a fault. Which makes sense. You find it offensive when someone points out your ignorance, while I see it as an opportunity to learn more. And before you reference all the bullshit you've recommended, I would ask that you put it into a list.
Let others comment on it.
Why so butthurt? Was your meth dealer sent up the river?
You've got family in prison in New York? That sucks. Sorry to hear it.
Retards always try to deflect.
Waitaminnit... I have it on good authority that Trump is a True Christian™, whereas Hunter is a sonuva Vice-agent of Black Satan. Having the full context makes it easier to resolve these apparent ethical dilemmas by appeals to Revealed Truth unsullied by venal principles.
You think referring to Biden as Skeletor, which I regularly do, isn't mockery?
Skeletor wasn’t a racist pedophile.
When you're way too much for Skeletor.
You truly are the most retarded retard here.
I resemble that remark!
Hi Eric.
How many bottles of aristocrat have you had?
Never heard of it, but your passion for Julio Gallo is renowned.
Indeed it is. I’m Orson Welles reincarnated
Cheap wine followed by cut-rate arguments. At least you’re consistent. Not ripping off you wine vendors by consuming their products and producing decent arguments. If your arguments had any merit they might claim credit!
sarcasmic
January.22.2022 at 9:05 am
Nothing says liberty like sucking down a scorpion bowl or two while driving home from getting takeout.
I almost admire the dedication that is needed to lie by taking things completely out of context.
"I almost admire the dedication that is needed to lie by taking things completely out of context."
Out of context? Self-awareness and memory certainly aren't your superpowers. Maybe if you drank less you'd remember the shit you've posted.
Here's the context folks: https://reason.com/2022/01/22/new-yorks-liquor-store-lobby-fights-against-to-go-drink-sales-by-bars-restaurants/?comments=true#comment-9318314
Good times.
No. Not even. Don't look at me is infinitely more retarded.
Sorry Champ, DLAM's a physic's professor compared to your short bus posting.
Sarcasmic Gold in the link, folks: https://reason.com/2021/02/07/the-mushroom-moment-manifesto/?comments=true#comment-8747992
Lol!
Take it up with this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XeTk4p0CgI
But he doesn't say that sarc. Nobody does but you.
You want mockery? Pick up on today's "Pro-Life" cartoon at Sinfest.xyz
I saw a bunch of it on XTwitter. A lot of it was directed at Cheung, which makes more sense since he is the one who screwed up his job of spokesman.
Why is it an occasion for mockery at all?
Because in order to exonerate Hunter, Sullum's got to insinuate that coveting, but not purchasing, a gun and/or talked about it on Twitter is a crime.
Throwing the 1 and 2A under the bus to exonerate some members of the privileged class and implicate others is just how a Constitutionally-regulated Federal Democracy is supposed to work.
The idea that saying in public "I want to...." equates to proven guilt for a process crime that would have to take place in order for whatever was mentioned to eventually take place seems pretty mockable.
Even if the factory has a retail FFL license and sells the firearms they make there on site, only residents of the state where the facility is located would legally be able to make a purcase from that location. For a resident of Florida to actually purchase any Glock from the manufacturer, the gun to be purchased would have to be shipped to a FFL in the State of Florida, then the buyer would have to go to that dealer and fill out the required paperwork before being submitted for a background check (which trump would fail if any of his indictments have been submitted into the NICS database), and wait 10 days before taking possession of the gun ONLY IF the background check passed and the dealer didn't have any other reservations since NICS approval just allows the completion of the sale but doesn't require it; most FFLs probably wouldn't complete the sale to anyone who checked "yes" on the indictment question (I don't know for sure what the law is about whether they're allowed to but at the very least it could probably endanger their license).
Is there a good reason why it is so difficult to challenge a shitty law? Why must courts wait for someone to prove injury? It’s like they have a veto power, but only under certain conditions. Any reason why they shouldn’t be able to just say “Nope” and veto any law that gets past the president’s desk?
How could that be changed? A Constitutional amendment? As it is the document is vague about the judiciary’s powers. Is that good or bad, or both?
The nation of Israel is in a major crisis because they have a system where the courts can rule any law they feel like is “unreasonable“.
The courts have been captured by leftists and pretty much rule that any conservative law is unreasonable.
They never interfere with any law that is leftist or progressive.
So we have an example of a country where the courts can intervene and block any law they don’t like and they are able to thwart the will of the legislature and the people.
It would be a terrible idea to try that here
Thank you for the thoughtful reply.
The courts (judiciary) are here to uphold the US Constitution not to pick winner or looser laws. If the will of the people is to void the Constitution there is a very specific process for doing so called amending it or calling a convention of states.
Your premise that the will of the people can just willy-nilly void the US Constitution is exactly why and where we are today and its a stinking mess on the verge of collapse and totalitarianism.
There are 30-40 million people in the USA who are 100% certain that the situation in the USA is the inverse of that. There are another 30-40 million (maybe more) who believe that a major faction within the Dem party wants to "pack" the Supreme Court for the purpose of creating exactly the situation you describe in this country, and probably half of the latter group probably also believes that creating that situation is a noble goal with the addition that the leftist court and President (chosen directly based on popular vote) should have and frequently use the power to create the equivalent of legislation on their own, at least until the Senate can be disbanded an all checks on the "tyranny of the majority" have been eliminated.
Good question. The Comstock laws passed shortly after the Reconstruction Amendments. The Easter 1873 massacre of elected Republicans in Colfax rallied the Klan for a resumption of Civil war to thwart prosecution. A way was found to so pack La Suprema Corte to reinterpret those Amendments and the Enforcement Act so as to free perpetrators of racial genocide lest Southern Dem reaction to murder indictments combine with Northern reaction to Comstockism making ALL birth control--including the rhythm method--ten-year-chain-gang "misdemeanors." Tilden still beat Hayes until overturned by gunmen.
Since most people who lie on the form get denied on the background check, or at least that was the case before pot started getting legalized at the State level, very few cases tend to get brought just for making a false statement on the purchase application form. Compound that with somewhere under 5% of all Federal prosecutions actually going to trial, there aren't a lot of instances where any judge or jury gets to weigh in on the issue.
Also, the attidude toward a false answer on that form would likely vary widely depending on which given answer is untrue.
These days, the most common situation is probably someone who uses pot or other THC products in a state where their use is legal but the Feds don't agree so answering that you're not a current user of illegal drugs would (to the Feds) be a lie, but nothing related to it would come up on any background check and it may well never even be discovered. A lot of juries might choose to just let this kind of violation slide since the jurors will likely be from the same state, but this kind of case wouldn't make it to trial in a Federal Court if it's the only charge against an individual.
If someone had been dishonorably discharged from the military over a military court conviction for domestic violence (both of which are covered in separate questions on the form) and lied about both on their paperwork, probably fewer jurors would find such a case to be at all sympathetic, especially because there was a "mass shooter" in NM a few years back who passed his background check (the DoD and military courts have an abysmal rate of reporting to the NICS database keepers).
Because Hunter Biden has so publicly, loudly, and consistently denounced his father's career of enacting and supporting unconstitutional and unjust laws? Or is it because Hunter Biden has so consistently, if in a quiet and dignified manner, refused to derive any benefit from his father's career of enacting and supporting unconstitutional and unjust laws?
That Sullum, always going after Trump!!!
It PROVES that Reason.com is a bunch of Trump-hating LEFTISTS!!! Always and forever!
Many are. As their admission to their vote demonstrated completely.
Now that everyone is loving Liz Wolfe White Mike's been forced to rejigger his narrative from defending Reason no matter what to white knighting for Sullum.
That is sooo unfair, just because he lost twice in the popular vote and only once in the electoral! This even after the LP even burdened Jo's campaign with a commie anarchist running mate instead of a nice guy like Bill Weld! Clearly wuz robbed! #Hewuzrobbed!
"Did you know that Glock makes a special Donald Trump edition of its popular G19 pistol?"
No, no they don't. It's a standard older generation (Gen 3) G19 that someone else has decked out in happy horseshit graphics and custom stippling. I promise it didn't fall off the Glock factory line looking that way. If it did, why no current Gen 5 version?
Also, speaking of illegalities, he was in SC so unless he's a resident of SC, he can't legally buy a handgun there. It must be transferred to an FFL in his state of residence who then completes the transfer.
Honestly Jacob, you should know better.
""President Trump did not purchase or take possession of the firearm. He simply indicated that he wanted one.""
A clear case of seditious covetousness, your honor. Guantanamo beckons.
Wanting something illegal is worse than doing something illegal.
He has committed covetousness in his heart.
“I say to you that everyone who looks at a
womanglock with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Matthew 5:27That's an odd way to describe lying.
Shut up, hicklib.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
It must be horrible for Sullum - having to defend Trump in order to protect Biden;)
There would have been no defense required without the initial imagination that saying "I want...." is legally equivalent to having done whatever might be required to actually obtain the item in question.
Maybe we should also be talking about prosecuting everyone who would benefit from having an additional $300k, for bank robbery because such a crime would be a possible way of quickly acquiring cash in such a quantity? Or maybe filing sexual assault charges on anyone who admits that they'd like to have sex with [whatever "hot" celebrity name here], since they can't possibly have obtained affirmative consent from someone they've never met or had contact with?
Poor Jacob still managed to get in numerous cheap and erroneous shots at the Donald.
What a sad sack of crap Sullum has become.
Meanwhile, Philadelphia is being looted (maybe too local, or not new news):
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12564663/Shocking-moment-brazen-masked-kids-LOOT-Footlocker-Lululemon-Apple-stores-Philadelphia-descends-anarchy-footage-showing-cops-brawling-thieves-punching-one-face.html#comments
At least the cops are trying. But their detective work may need some work:
Numerous officers quickly arrive on the scene and can be seen pinning several men down. CBS3 said that multiple police commanders confirmed to them that the looting had no connection to earlier BLM demonstrations. Protests had started round the city earlier in the day over the dismissal of charges against police officer Eddie Irizarry who was involved in a fatal shooting.
If they're stealing iPhones and Yoga Pants, they're probably gearing up to head out to California. That camouflage will only hold up until they ask someone where to get "wooter ice" though; then nothing much will happen since the DAs in L.A. and SF have legalized virtually everything other than self defense and building on private property.
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I'm not keen on sending Hunter Biden to prison on gun charges.
I am however, very keen on using Hunter Biden as a vehicle for overturning the relevant provisions. The irony would be delicious.
I thought the most you could get for a misdemeanor was a year minus a day.
Mr. Sullum,
How about we spend a little less time and energy trying to find ways to keep Hunter Biden out of jail? I'm sure there are other stories to cover.
While the "unjust law" thing is a nice angle, it is predicated on the idea that laws are just...
Tell me you don’t understand neutrality and dispassionate discourse without saying you don’t understand neutrality and dispassionate discourse.
Hey Mike,
I used to be a journalist. Your fantasy of “neutrality and dispassionate discourse” thing has no place in modern journalism.
I write that with sadness.
So, you set your standards according to others’ low standards?
"So, you set your standards according to others’ low standards?"
No.
TDS explains why the TDS-addled shit-pile Sullum keeps posting 'stories' like this.
Fuck off and die, Sullum, but have someone mark your grave so decent people know where to take a piss.
So, do we have Trump’s signature on a 4473 with the illegal values filled in? Or is this yet another case of Sullum openly fabricating a narrative and evidence in his head in order to “BOAF SIDEZ!” a/the issue to make his “principled libertarian stance”, which is even more capricious and authoritarian than whatever straw men he’s arguing against, seem principled and libertarian?
I wonder now if he had one of his people buy it for him, not knowing about straw purchases.
Uh, you do? Not enough that Sullum's trying to wrap Trump up in his 100% evidence-free crime narrative, you've got to make it collusion to make it a 100% evidence-free crime so you can conceptually prosecute some nobody?
Seeing as how the former fucking President and his entourage of lawyers and political operatives didn’t know about lying on a 4473, and being barred from purchase while being under indictment – YEAH I DO.
"President Trump buys a @GLOCKInc in South Carolina!"
- Cheung, Trump's SPOKESMAN.
So his spokesman is either an idiot, liar, or both.
He'd have to have someone who was a resident of South Carolina (with ID to prove it), and even that person would have to wait 10 days to complete the purchase under Federal law.
It wouldn't even be a crime if that person marked on the form that they weren't the one who would ultimately be the owner of the gun, there's got to be some provision within the law for a legal purchase of a firearm meant to be given as a gift, as long as the resulting transfer is also carried out within all applicable laws, meaning processing again through a FFL if the recipient is a resident of a different state than the gifter and also meaning most likely that the original purchaser would be denied permission to give the gun to trump when he failed his NICS background check
"laws that bar people from buying or possessing firearms even when they have no history of violence..." Case in point is the Fourteenth Amendment! Just because Trump got the Army of Ghawd to storm Congress to overturn his defeat, 14A sez just because He "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" he has to beg Congress for another term. Also no free lawyers for MAGA terrists because "neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States." Soooo sad! The amendments that did not protect women from violent bigots also fail to protect violent bigots from the Political State!
14A would apply when he's convicted of some crime involving insurrection or treason. So far he's not yet been indicted on such a charge so it wouldn't apply to him any more than it would to you or me.
He us innocent until PROVEN guilty and a vredict rendered. WHY s he uder indictment for FELINY charges? Because the corrupt system wants him gone, that's why.n
Since ine is innocent until PROVEN guilty WHY is one debarred the pssession/use of arms at that point? Wait until he is convicted. They will know he bought te gun becaise of the NICS check, and come take it nce convicted. If he were known dangerous, as in a nutjob seeking to kill innocents, then he should be in prisin locked up. But he is not. The denial of right to arms BEFORE conviction is counter to the Cinstitution. If dangerous, lock him up. If not he must be able to go about armed with the weapon(s) of his choice.
There would be an issue with interstate sale of a handgun, which is LSO uncontsitutional, Background check is valid no matter where you were when it was run. WHY can't handguns be sold inerstate? They have the same protections inside and outside of the state of one's residence.
Maybe if he gets back in office he can FIX these violations of the Second Article of Ammendment.
Question: will those who have brought these crazy felony hcarges against him be denied their rights once he is acquitted? Demial of rights is an YOOOOOGE offense.
Hold on there, friend. There is no "interstate sale."
He buys the gun, but it isn't given to him right there in South Carolina.That would be illegal. He can, however buy it with the understanding that it's shipped to his home state to an FFL dealer of his choice. The SC dealer merely transfers it to his counterpart in FLA. Once shipped to Florida, when Trump shows up to get it, that FFL dealer does the 4473 and the background check with NICS or whatever they use down there.
Oh, and knowing that he has to clear up his cases before taking possession, he pays the dealer to store it. Every bit of this is how firearms are sold across state lines.
Any person can do this procedure. The key is that the gun is shipped to a dealer in the person's home state, and the 4473 is done there.
Because Trump didn't take possession prior to clearing the cases, there's no problem.
I swear, some of you guys watch too much TV.
Even if he had arranged to initiate a transaction, it would have been less than 10 days ago. There's no possible way for anyone to legally buy a handgun in less time than that except as a private sale if both parties are residents of the same state and the laws of that state allow for non FFL processed transactions between them. Florida might have fairly permissive private sale laws, but since the gun wasn't in Florida and presumably wasn't owned by a resident of Florida, there's no way for a legal resident of FL to have purchased it legally in less than 10 days.
This is ridiculous. A whole lotta words over something that didn't happen. But hey, it's TRUMP!
There is an entire fantasy world built around the demise if Trump.
Everyone in there has a different idea of how they'll "get Trump" doing this or that, he's finally gonna get what's coming to him, He's going to jail for sure!
Every bit of it is just that, a fantasy. Trump has been investigated for years and nothing's ever come of it. The case in New York is going to be nothing, just like the rest.
Please, keep it up no matter how many times it doesn't come true.
We need a laugh now and then.