Fake Sudafed Is Bullshit, Just As You Suspected
Legal restrictions on pseudoephedrine have not reduced meth use, but they have driven people with colds or allergies toward substitutes that seem to be completely ineffective.

Two decades ago, it became clear that Congress was intent on trying to curtail illicit methamphetamine production by restricting access to pseudoephedrine, a meth precursor that was also widely used as a decongestant in cold and allergy remedies such as Sudafed. Pfizer, the manufacturer of Sudafed products, responded by announcing that it would start selling alternatives containing a different active ingredient: phenylephrine.
What's the difference between pseudoephedrine and phenylephrine? "SUDAFED products with phenylephrine are available for over-the-counter purchase without restrictions," explains Johnson & Johnson, which acquired the brand from Pfizer in 2006, while "products that have pseudoephedrine as an active ingredient face restrictions." Johnson & Johnson does not mention another distinction that might be of interest to consumers: Pseudoephedrine works, while phenylephrine does not. Or so a unanimous panel of experts advised the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on Tuesday.
The main problem with phenylephrine: When taken orally, it is so thoroughly metabolized in the gut that almost none of it ends up in the bloodstream. "The new data appear compelling that the monographed dosage of oral [phenylephrine] results in no meaningful systemic exposure or evidence of efficacy," says an FDA briefing document that was presented to the advisory committee. "Furthermore, the review suggests that higher doses…have also not shown efficacy. These findings are supported by in vitro and in vivo clinical pharmacology data showing that orally administered phenylephrine undergoes high first-pass metabolism resulting in less than 1% bioavailability."
Legal restrictions on pseudoephedrine sales, in short, gave us reformulated products, including pseudo-Sudafed, that not only do not work as well but apparently do not work at all, as you may have discovered after trying them. But at least those ineffective products are easy to buy.
Legal restrictions on pseudoephedrine, by contrast, took it off the shelves and put it behind the pharmacy counter, whence it can be retrieved only under certain conditions. Thanks to the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005, Johnson & Johnson notes, "There are limits on the amount of pseudoephedrine that can be purchased at one time and within a month. Purchasers will typically need to present a valid photo ID in order to purchase these products, and the pharmacy is required to record purchases for up to two years."
The federal purchase limit is 3.6 milligrams of pseudoephedrine base in a single day and nine milligrams in a single month. The monthly limit should be enough to keep you covered during allergy season (taking, say, two 12-hour Sudafed pills a day). But the daily limit means you will have to visit the pharmacy repeatedly to obtain your monthly allotment. And if your household includes two or more people who need allergy or cold relief at the same time, each has to buy pills separately. Don't imagine that you'll be allowed to pick up pills for yourself and for your spouse or your child. Inter-store and interstate databases will stop you from completing such a suspicious transaction, which marks you as a probable meth cook or smurfer.
Each state has its own rules for buying pseudoephedrine, which can be stricter than the federal regulations. In Oregon and Mississippi, for example, you can legally obtain the decongestant only by prescription.
These policies have imposed no small amount of inconvenience, snooping, and discomfort on innocent allergy and cold sufferers while treating them as potential criminals. The regulations also have driven many consumers toward less-restricted alternatives that, it turns out, are nothing more than placebos. What benefits can be weighed against those costs?
Restrictions on pseudoephedrine did affect the illicit methamphetamine trade, primarily by shifting production from small-scale U.S. operations toward large-scale Mexican traffickers. But by no means did that crimp the supply. By 2010, The New York Times reported, meth had "reached its highest purity and lowest price in the United States since 2005," when Congress enacted the pseudoephedrine limits.
According to survey data, the number of illegal meth users in the United States more than doubled between 2009 and 2021. And according to a 2023 U.S. Pharmacist report, "age-adjusted rates of drug-overdose deaths per 100,000 population for psychostimulants with abuse potential (primarily methamphetamine) increased from 0.2 in 1999 to 5.0 in 2019." It looks like pseudoephedrine restrictions have been about as effective as phenylephrine pills.
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The number of people who needed to read an article to realize fake Sudafed is worthless: 0.
Take it once, you know - it does nothing but put your dollar in their pockets.
I sign the form 2-3 times a year at Costco to get "the law's allowance" for when real allergy season flares up. And I will vote for anyone who destroys the Frankentocracy that enables these monstrous "rules" which do nothing but harass citizens. Which pretty much rules out any Demunist and many alleged Republicans.
Add 1. I didn't even realize that phenylephrine was the ingredient in store label 'sudafed' until I read this article. I don't have allergies but I did need a decongestant for a few days - 4 - last winter.
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Same as me, took that years ago and it did nothing. They've essentially got away with ripping off the public for years with this garbage.
But it’s safe!
So are hydrochloroquine and ivermectin. But they are useless against COVID.
The prespecified threshold for the clinical utility of ivermectin was a 37.5% difference, as compared with placebo, in the relative risk of a primary-outcome event, a threshold that is probably too conservative for a drug such as ivermectin. The relative risk estimates in the trial were compatible with reductions of up to 30% in the risk of hospitalization or prolonged observation and 51% in the risk of death with ivermectin.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2207995
A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and safety of ivermectin among adult SARS-CoV-2 patients. The trial included 72 hospitalized patients in Dhaka, Bangladesh, who were assigned to one of three groups: oral ivermectin alone (12 mg once daily for 5 days), oral ivermectin in combination with doxycycline (12 mg ivermectin single dose and 200 mg doxycycline on day 1, followed by 100 mg every 12 h for the next 4 days), and a placebo control group. Clinical symptoms of fever, cough, and sore throat were comparable among the three groups. Virological clearance was earlier in the 5-day ivermectin treatment arm when compared to the placebo group (9.7 days vs 12.7 days; p = 0.02
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
those cites are devastating. ‘sorry charlie’ your gaslighting attempt leaves a bad taste
Go put your mask on.
Is that the modern equivalent of ‘go get your shine box’?
HCQ was found to be consistently effective against COVID-19 when provided early in the outpatient setting. It was also found to be overall effective in inpatient studies. No unbiased study found worse outcomes with HCQ use. No mortality or serious safety adverse events were found. HCQ is consistently effective against COVID-19 when provided early in the outpatient setting, it is overall effective against COVID-19, it has not produced worsening of disease and it is safe.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7534595/
Why use well known drugs with little risk showing help in prevention of worsening of covid when you can use a new and novel mRNA vaccine linked to blood clots, myocarditis, bleeding, gets you sick and doesn't prevent getting or spreading covid! And all for 100x the price!
Fauci pulled the same shit during AIDS too that resulted in many deaths.
Most "believers in science" took it on faith that "Big Pharma" didn't make a penny from the Covid jabs (almost nobody paid for their doses at the point of service for the injection, after all).
A good friend of mine who's a "blue no matter who" loyalist (single-issue voter on the topic of "bodily autonomy" at least with regard to the one medical decision that principle apparently actually applies to), but is generally intelligent and active-thinking person had to be shown the financials page of the Pfizer website where they laid out in detail that revenues, profits, and cash flow doubled from 2020 to 2021 with 54% of all sales in 2021 consisting of the Covid vax and targeted antivirals. At least she accepted it after seeing the literal reciepts, I probably know at least a half dozen people who would insist that Joe Rogan had somehow falsified Pfizer's SEC filings as part of a Russian misinformation campaign...
Hahaha. Dr Google and Prez 'People here at CDC think I'm a Dr' Quack disagree.
Disinfectant works too.
And chicken little chimes in.
Keep the hopes up JFree. Maybe you can cheer fauci on for killing kids from aids vaccines. Like AZT.
Lol. Keep the faith.
You’re just stuck on stupid, aren’t you?
I'm pretty sure you're the one who's stuck. Trying to kiss the baboon's butt. Which is damn stupid. Are you being paid to do that or do you just enjoy it?
I ask you the same question I asked Charlie, below.
I’m not the one alternatively sucking democrat cock, or cowering from a virus in my basement, after being decaduple vaxxed.
I have to ask, why do you push such a narrative? These drugs have potential benefit, yet there is such an allegiance against them, I want to know why. Is it because Trump supported their use? Is it because icky people like Joe Rogan endorsed them?
Why be so adamantly against drugs that might help people? I just don't understand that adamancy of such a position.
Rogan was a bit subversive before the pandemic since he was willing to talk to those who had been deemed worthy of "unperson" status by social media platformers, or had been declared Russain Agents by HRC, but he didn't become the new Goldstein until CNN and Vox told all the "true believers" that Joe claimed that "horse paste" alone had cured his covid in seconds. It never mattered that Rogan had never said anything of the sort (why listen to such subversion yourself when you can trust vox to give a full and accurate accounting of a 3 hour show in just two sentences?), but then it also apparently didn't matter to the same in-group of believers that Chris Steele's primary source was actually getting his material from a PR worker who was on the DNC/HRC payroll at the time, or that even the Washington Post was referring to the entire Russia/collusion narrative as a proven hoax at that point.
Um, okay. Thanks for that non-sequitur.
I tried to buy some real Sudafed recently. The pharmacist asked for an ID. I showed her my US passport which I had used a few hours earlier to re enter the US.
Not good enough. They needed a STATE ID not s federal one. Government rules.
They track you by your drivers license number.
Driver's licenses are so racist.
That's at the fault of the pharmacist. Working behind the counter, there are 3 types of id's that work with the meth watch database. Licenses, passports, and military ids.
What happens to the tens of millions of black people who supposedly can't get any form of ID issued by the State in which they live? Are they supposed to just not have allergies?
By the identitarian definition, this law would have to be assumed to have some kind of disparate impact which would correlate with race (as long as one accepts the premise that "black and brown" people can't get an ID), and therefore is part of systemic racism. Any chance they'll consider rolling it back on those grounds?
You need "standing" to sue over this. That means the plaintiff of record must be a person of color who does not have a government ID because of racism. Apparently such people only exist in the imagination of lawyers suing over election procedures, and the judges that hand them wins without requiring any actual evidence.
The original covid vax.
Yes, and worse than all of this was the total ban on phenylpropanolimine, which worked vastly better than pseudoephedrine, and was banned because some stupid teenage girls who weigh a quarter of what I do were taking six times the dose to lose even more weight. My health was never at risk from the stuff. And colds have never been the same.
+1 on this!
Fortunately, there's a simple way to synthesize all the pseudoephedrine you need from readily-available precursor chemicals:
A Simple and Convenient Synthesis of Pseudoephedrine From N-Methylamphetamine..
If you can't find Sudafed because people use it to make meth, get some meth and turn it back! Brilliant!
In any decent sized city, there's probably someone selling meth within a block or two of the pharmacy that wouldn't sell you sudafed. In a smaller town, the pharmacist can probably refer you to the where the local dealers live if you don't already know.
Cop: Why are you buying so much meth? Are you a meth head?
Kid: No, but my headth a meth. I've got a bad cold.
But at least we won the War on Drugs, right?
Yeah, proponents of Drug Prohibition will grant you that gang crime and police corruption are up, and civil liberties under assault from Drug Prohibition, but it's "worth it" because.... they've so effectively reduced drug use and abuse? By making the products more dangerous, because you can't sue the manufacturer?
Sounds vaguely familiar...
Yeah, proponents of Alcohol Prohibition will grant you that gang crime and police corruption are up, and civil liberties under assault from Alcohol Prohibition, but it’s “worth it” because…. they’ve so effectively reduced alcohol use and abuse? By making the products more dangerous, because you can’t sue the manufacturer?
Yeah, we've been here before and learned nothing.
Except here, as Reason selectively notes and elides, the law wasn’t against the drug. Meth was already illegal on the federal level. The laws, passed at the state and local level, were rather specifically designed to disincentivize illicit domestic production, which Reason notes it succeeded at, arguably in spades.
The lack of clarity probably stems from the bog-standard Reason retardation about “a tariff is a tax” (but a regulation or tax is never a tariff), borders are a figment of imagination (unless the border is a vagina and we’re talking about state laws), limiting unbridled access is a ban (but banning access broadly with very few, minor exceptions is not), etc. or, potentially, one or two or eighty too many “100% safe and effective with no downsides” bong hits.
the federal purchase limit is 3.6 milligrams of pseudoephedrine base in a single day and nine milligrams in a single month.
grams, not mg. A single pseudophed is 30mg, a 96 pack is just shy of 3 grams, and the asinine form you have to "agree" to (consent would be a better word) is more than that, perhaps 9 grams?
3.6g per day, 9g per month. Which means that if you have a big family that all gets a cold at once, you're fucked.
I've done an unexpected blind test at least 3 times with the "PE" crap, and found it to be as useful as nothing.
If the druggies want to kill (or worse) themselves with meth, why should I have to give an ID?
Time to declare victory (true or not) in the war on drugs and move on.
Even the Nazis hadmeth over the counter. We are worse than Nazis at this point.
Benzadrine and Schnapps!
You know what works for its intended purpose? Meth. Meth does exactly what you expect it to. You also lose your teeth after a few years, but it works.
People seemed to have switched from meth to fentanyl though. So the policy worked.
They're banning wd-40 in Canada. The company that makes wd-40 assures its customers that you'll still be able to buy the blue can with the red top at the store*
*it won't contain wd-40.
The Canadian people should drag Trudeau from his office and literally tear him apart. Or boil him in oil.
Seriously.
And yet they don't.
Unfortunately. We Marxists should all be removed from any position of authority and/or prominence and dwelt it’s in such a decisive manner. As an example to the rest.
Spray some WD-40 on the hinges to his office door, so he can't hear you coming.
It's almost like decades of immigrants from leftist countries have altered voters ideas of how totalitarian a government should be
I know Canada isn’t that exciting a place, but is it so bad that you have to huff Wd40? That’s sad
Trudeau has made it that bad.
WD-40 to make it go.
Duck tapeTrudeau to make it stop.> Pseudoephedrine works, while phenylephrine does not.
You can take either, or take neither and just wait a week. Each will have the same result. (Same goes with your 'rona vaccine, btw.)
Just start lacing all the recreational drugs with fentanyl. We'll kill a dozen birds with one stone. And encourage courteous drug use (eg. always do your drugs in a dumpster, so that your body is already where it belongs when they find you).
I could not have gotten through high school or college without Sudafed-only thing that worked for my allergies and gave me a little boost when I needed to pull an all nighter.
I took it for my allergies most of my life, until that drug raid, and after that I switched to a lot of benedryl and I never realized how much my insomnia was related to taking sudafed
Pseudoephedrine works as advertised. In fact, it appears to shorten colds as well.
It makes them less miserable, at least. Though as I noted above, not as well as PPA.
Kids today would hardly believe how good we had it in the 80s and 90s.
And kids from the 80's and 90's won't believe what they could have done had they been born 30 or 40 years earlier.
But governments grow and liberty dies....
Very sad.
I'm just amazed the FDA declared something wasn't 100% safe and effective with no downsides.
There is probably a new patent pending on a new useless drug.
But then in Oregon, you can easily get meth and opioids without prescription. Tradeoffs.
Oregon has a surplus of money and a dearth of people willing to asphyxiate themselves or set fire to their kitchens while cooking meth. Mexico has a dearth of money and a surplus of people willing to asphyxiate and/or accidentally start fires while cooking meth.
Sounds like pretty straightforward, comparative-advantage free trade to me.
Here in Missouri, I got raided by about a dozen cops in body armor (no rifles or shotguns, at least) because I bought the monthly limit.
Great fun.
But that got to be too much of a hassle and I discovered taking a half dozen generic benedryl works pretty good (and is cheaper)
What the article fails to mention is the study also concluded the when phenylephrine is used in nasal sprays or drops it does work.
How about rectal suppositories or sublingual?
Rectalingus?
Is that different from analingus?
No one should be surprised our government approves of treatment by placebo. What is the placebo treatment for government?
There was a way around these restrictions including the quantity restrictions. A doctor's prescription.
I did this for a while.
The problem with this was that the pharmacy I was using at the time didn't consistently stock enough of either the generic or brand name Sudafed. If the prescription was written for the generic, they were a pain in the ass about filling it with brand name Sudafed. If the prescription was written for brand name Sudafed, they were a pain in the ass about filling it with the generic. I didn't get this at all. They frequently substituted a generic for regular prescriptions for a brand name drug.
Follow the science you Luddites!
But of course no one in government is even considering getting rid of the restrictions on buying pseudoephedrine, even though those restrictions are completely worthless.
Not completely worthless. Just completely from Sullum/Reason's, framed, and somewhat oxymoronic, perspective.
That is, they note that production has moved out of small, local US centers to Mexico. If I didn't particularly care if meth was legal or not, just that meth users/cookers were stealing shit and setting fire to it in my back yard, the law worked as well as, if not better than, trying to make illegal meth cookers install fire protection and follow GMP.
I go to the counter, show my ID, and buy pseudoephedrine. It’s only like 20 bucks and works well. You can buy far more than you need for one sinus infection or whatever.
I fail to see what the big deal is.
Why should you need to show an ID for anything at all? You were born free, and should remain so, unless you prove that you personally can't handle it.
There is one error i have noticed in the article. The allotments are in grams. 3.6 grams daily and 9 grams monthly. 1 single sudafed 12hr is 120mg.
Fun view from the other side (stated up front: I’ve used ephedrine recreationally and think meth should be legal):
I’ve never had allergies. What I have had is, on multiple occasions, 1,000 gal. tanks of anhydrous ammonia stolen from the local Co-Op where I (not at the time) and several friends and family worked (at the time) by local meth labs. Also, on the farm where I worked (at the time), the owner had his truck stolen, driven into a ditch, and set on fire by a meth cooker/user. I’m not opposed to meth itself. Part of the problem is, and admittedly the causality isn’t clear, the (inverse) association between meth and impulse control.
Bonus fun: In a bit of a reversal of benadryl/sudafed, anhydrous, which is like a cross between liquid nitrogen and mustard gas, is actually the “safe” alternative to the ammonium nitrate fertilizers. So, given the choice between a “no-shit-kill-you inhalation hazard that you don’t have to sign for” option (that meth cookers will steal) and the “won’t kill you but explodes so you have to sign for it” option, the choice between signing a paper for sudafed and OTC benadryl sounds pretty rough.
The Mexican stuff isn't the same, though. So while production has been outsourced, the quality isn't as high.
You knew what you were getting when you bought Genuine Banditos Brand crank!
Need that super pure blue product from the Albuquerque area.
Another entirely predictable cluster fuck courtesy of the disaster that is the fda. Who knew that bureaucrats and their obsequious "experts" would shit the bed again. Sullum is great when he takes down drugs and guns.
"the number of illegal meth users in the United States more than doubled between 2009 and 2021"
Shirley meth use would have increased more (x 911?) if this hadn't been done though
I wish I had a dollar for every massive government failure.
So, do we think things will ever get to the point of Reason advocating for teaching how to cook meth in K-3 education and advocating for schools to provide facilities for teen meth users even at the detriment of other students or does transgenderism and pedophilia sit higher on Reason's SJW hierarchy than meth users and allergy sufferers?
If a proprietary / "trade-name-only" (non-generic) decongestant enters the marketplace within the next two years, I hope Reason or a good investigative journalist digs into whether or not this announcement was part of the marketing campaign. 5 years from now? Sure. Innovation to fill an underserved market niche makes the world go round. But in the context of FDA regulations, it would take that long (Operation Warp-Speed being an obvious exception). If such an agent is in the wings poised to pounce, but just needed the FDA to sweeten the market, I'd love to know whether or not the FDA was somehow influenced to bring forth this decision / announcement.