Review: Did the Waco Siege Inspire More Violence? Showtime Series Explores the Question
The assault on Mount Carmel was meant to bolster the ATF's reputation. It failed.

What happened to the right front door of the Mount Carmel Center? That's a recurring question in Waco: The Aftermath, a five-episode Showtime drama built around the 1994 trial of Branch Davidians who had survived the lethal 51-day federal siege near Waco, Texas, the previous year.
The mysteriously missing steel door, which should have withstood the fire that consumed Mount Carmel, could have helped resolve the issue of who shot first when agents dispatched by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) descended upon religious leader David Koresh's followers at the beginning of the standoff. It is a powerful symbol of the government's attempts to evade responsibility for the horrifying outcome: The siege resulted in the deaths of 82 men, women, and children who lived at Mount Carmel, including 76 who died during the final assault.
Although it is hard to believe in retrospect, the ill-prepared, needlessly aggressive operation that the ATF called "Showtime" was meant to bolster the agency's reputation and save its budget following a similarly botched assault on white separatist Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992. In both cases, the ATF thought suspected firearms violations were enough to justify reckless raids that led to senseless deaths.
This potent combination of arrogance and incompetence reinforced many Americans' skepticism of federal law enforcement, especially when it is directed at marginalized minorities. As Waco: The Aftermath shows by interspersing the trial story with the plotting of Oklahoma City bombers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, the incident also planted the seeds of murderous violence in people outraged by the government's Waco crimes, who demonstrated a parallel disregard for innocent lives.
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"The mysteriously missing steel door, which should have withstood the fire that consumed Mount Carmel"
According to testimony by Texas Rangers, who were first at the scene before the feds took over, it DID survive the fire. It only vanished after the feds took control. So there's not really any mystery here, the feds destroyed inconvenient evidence. It's not like they didn't have a track record of doing that; Randy Weaver got acquitted because his lawyer was able to prove through press photos that the feds had rearranged things before taking their photos for the trial, to agree with their preferred story about what had happened.
And as I recall, McVeigh was quite explicit that his intent was to prove to the feds that two could play the same game, that they weren't immune to being treated the same as they treated others. Though I think he did state that if he'd been aware there was a daycare in the building he'd have bombed it after hours.
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The Waco siege, also known as the Waco massacre, was a highly publicized and tragic event that took place in 1993 near Waco, Texas. It involved a 51-day standoff between the federal government and the Branch Davidians, a religious group led by David Koresh. The situation escalated, and it ended with a catastrophic fire that killed 76 people, including Koresh and many of his followers.
The Waco siege had a significant impact on public perception, sparking debates and discussions on various fronts. As with any high-profile and controversial event, it's possible that it may have influenced some individuals or groups, both positively and negatively.
Heightened Distrust of Authorities: The Waco siege resulted in intense scrutiny of the government's actions and decisions during the standoff. Some individuals who were already distrustful of the government might have seen the incident as evidence of excessive use of force and an infringement on civil liberties.
Anti-Government Sentiment: For certain extremist groups, the Waco siege served as a rallying point to reinforce anti-government sentiments and conspiracy theories. It was seen as an example of government overreach and oppression, leading to more radicalization within some fringe movements.
Vigilante Reprisals: The event also potentially encouraged a few individuals or groups with extremist views to consider acts of vigilante justice against perceived oppressors, including law enforcement agencies.
Public Awareness and Advocacy: On the positive side, the Waco siege brought attention to issues surrounding religious freedom, government accountability, and the use of force. It sparked discussions about the appropriate handling of similar situations in the future.
Enhanced Law Enforcement Training: In response to the tragedy, law enforcement agencies may have reviewed and revised their tactics and strategies for handling similar standoffs, aiming to prevent a similar outcome in the future.
It's essential to note that while the Waco siege might have inspired certain individuals or groups, the vast majority of people were deeply saddened by the loss of life and sought to learn from the event to prevent such tragedies in the future. As with any complex and controversial event, the impact on society is multifaceted, and people's responses vary widely based on their perspectives and beliefs.
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"The assault on Mount Carmel was meant to bolster the ATF's reputation."
Yeah, if that was the purpose, it failed miserably.
I always thought the purpose of the assault was for the government officials to show the people that the government held all the power and could wield it in any manner they wished. In that, they succeeded as shown by their continued power abuses to this day.
Also, they wanted to show that guns were evil and only government officials should be allowed to possess such a evil thing. On that issue they failed as their attack on the compound showed government officials should not be allowed firearms given their level of ignorance and incompetency.
After the disastrous attack on the people in Waco the ATF should have been disbanded and those who ordered the attack should have been convicted of terrorism and abuses of office and never allowed in public office again.
No, they actually were desperate for some good PR at the time.
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"The Good Ol' Boys Roundup was an annual whites only event run by agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in southern Tennessee from 1980-1996. A senior manager at the Knoxville U.S. Attorney's Office warned personnel not to attend due to reports of "heavy drinking, strippers, and persons engaging in extramarital affairs".[1] After allegations emerged that a "Ku Klux Klan attitude" pervaded the event[2] a Senate Judiciary Committee was formed to investigate."
The BATF were expecting to face a nightmare going into their funding hearings, as a militia group had snuck in and taken a lot of video and photographs of this. The raid at Waco was a desperation move, intended to bolster their reputation as doing a necessary job well. That's why they called it "Operation Showtime" in the planning documents.
They'd really thought that the Davidians would be pushovers, they'd swoop in, arrest the lot of them, have a big showy trial right about the time of the hearings, and it wouldn't matter if the case fell apart afterwards. Didn't work out that way.
They might have canceled the raid when they learned their plans had been compromised, if they hadn't been in such desperate straits.
Southern Tennessee is like saying East California. I guess Chattanooga area? Or on the other side Buford Pusser territory?
The irony is that had they not informed local media up to a week before the raid they might have been successful in their chicanery.
In a just world, post-Waco, the ATF would have been disbanded and the FBI would have lost its law enforcement powers.
And Janet Reno's resignation would have not only been accepted, she'd have been tried and convicted.
This incident alone is reason enough to disband ATF. While we are at it, disband DEA as well, and move FBI headquarters building to a central US location, maybe Omaha? Absorb any legitimate (there aren't many) ATF/DEA law enforcement functions into FBI or local police forces.
There would be howls of outrage from the swamp, and the media which is part of the swamp, if these changes were proposed and happened.
Your suggestion would reduce spending which is against the will of politicians and reduce the fascism of the swamp.
>>This potent combination of arrogance and incompetence reinforced many Americans' skepticism of federal law enforcement, especially when it is directed at marginalized minorities.
there was a hillbilly in charge of the free world what did you expect?
and duh the feds took the door.
And yet the BATF still exists as a pointless Federal agency (alcohol, tobacco and firearms are all legal!) so the disastrous raid on Mount Carmel Center worked like a charm. If you are doing such a bad job that Congress – notorious for its ability to find excuses to preserve and defend really bad, no good, awful agencies – is about to defund you and roll your functions into other agencies that are almost as bad as you are, you have to be pretty awful; and if your performance as a Federal agency is so bad that the only way to save your agency is to commit an atrocity so awful that the FBI has to rescue you; and if your agency is so awful that botching a raid that badly, resulting in the FBI committing mass murder, actually SUCCEEDS at rescuing your agency from the chopping block in order to save face for the truly awful Executive Branch, it comes down as one of the worst travesties in a long line of bad government debacles in American history. In my opinion the events did not cause nearly enough skepticism about Federal law enforcement. Unbelievable! I demand to speak to your scriptwriter!
What worked like a charm was Republican perfidy. They used Gingrich's 'Contract' as an excuse to delay hearing on Waco until after the OK bombing, which, while it apparently DID convince the feds that casual atrocity had too much potential for blowback, also rendered taking on the BATF radioactive.
If they'd held the hearings right after taking control in '95, and taken action against the people responsible, there probably wouldn't have been an OK bombing in the first place, as McVeigh only went ahead with it when it became evident Congress wasn't going to do anything about Waco.
It wasn't an assault. The feds told the Davidians that just before they shot the tear gas.
One thing we can be sure of: The Davidians did not hide the steel door after the fire.