Ending Poverty Requires Serious Policy, Not Political Platitudes
Another exercise in nonsense by state lawmakers in California.

At times, the California Legislature is reminiscent of a high-school student council, except that instead of working with few-hundred-dollar activities budget lawmakers are spending more than $300 billion in revenues. I'm not the first commentator to notice that politicians often promise things they can't possibly provide—and are no more realistic than a student body president offering free pizza on Fridays.
What can you do? Democracy is, as Winston Churchill said, "the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Fast forward to the latest capitol silliness. A group of Democratic lawmakers is starting the End Poverty In California caucus, which is unlikely to be as EPIC as its name suggests. Ending poverty is a large promise—and the Legislature is much better at passing laws that exacerbate poverty (minimum wage, anti-competitive union work rules, onerous licensing requirements) rather than reduce it.
For starters, legislative caucuses are notoriously ineffective. They're the equivalent of those high-school clubs where like-minded people get together to engage in virtue signaling and whatnot. The state legislature has 16 caucuses centering on identity (gender, ethnicity), issues (aviation, environment), or locale (rural communities, the Bay Area).
The latest newsworthy caucus formation is the Problem Solvers Caucus, which promises to put good policy over partisanship, but which has accomplished nothing remarkable. We can only hope the "ending poverty" effort is equally ineffective given the people whose ideas it is based upon. Politico reports the name is a "nod to Upton Sinclair's 1934 gubernatorial campaign" and is the "brainchild" of former Stockton Mayor Michael Tubbs.
Sinclair was a socialist and Tubbs is best known for promoting "universal basic income." Sinclair's EPIC campaign plan promised to "develop a state-managed cooperative economy that would initially provide livelihoods for the unemployed while pointing the way to the eventual replacement of the private economy based on profit," the University of Washington explains.
The new EPIC chairman is Assembly Majority Leader Isaac Bryan (D–Los Angeles) so this comes from one of the Legislature's most powerful members. Tubbs has created a nonprofit group of the same name. He served as the mayor of one of the state's most impoverished cities—a San Joaquin Valley industrial city best known for its municipal bankruptcy (caused in part by excessive benefits for city employees) and atrocious crime rates.
Tubbs apparently was so busy basking in his national attention as a young progressive rising star that he didn't tend to matters at home. He lost re-election to a Republican political neophyte in a city with a two-to-one Democratic voter registration advantage. After his loss, he became an economic adviser to Gov. Gavin Newsom. Tubbs' major initiative was that privately funded project to provide $500 monthly in free money to select residents.
If you're still not understanding where this caucus is headed, then I'll quote from Tubbs' testimony at an Assembly subcommittee on poverty and inclusion, as captured in a video that his nonprofit released. Tubbs said the state has a "unique opportunity" to pass "common-sense, well-researched policies from baby bonds to guaranteed income to housing as a right to more affordable housing to truly make the state a golden one for all."
Baby bonds would have the government provide a set amount of money to every newborn child. Guaranteed income means the government would provide a stipend to everyone. Turning housing into a "right" means that landlords would lose the ability to evict tenants and also includes rent controls—even though "well-researched" studies have found such policies deplete the housing stock. More "affordable housing" means more subsidized housing.
Tubb's group is correct that poverty rates in California are atrocious. "California has the highest rate of poverty at 13.2% of any state in the U.S.," it notes. "28.7 percent of all California residents were poor or near poor in fall 2021." EPIC doesn't address that California's poverty rate is the worst in the nation—especially when cost-of-living factors are included—despite this being the nation's most progressive state. It offers the most generous welfare programs.
One would think that politicians who are serious about ending poverty would at least address that paradox. The video features union organizers who point to the need for an even more powerful union presence in our state, yet unions were on the vanguard of some of the state's most poverty-inducing policies—such as Assembly Bill 5, which tried to ban most forms of independent contracting and destroyed moderate-income jobs throughout the freelance economy.
With their progressive policies, lawmakers are destroying the incentive for developers to build more housing. They're always adding regulations and taxes that shutter businesses and discourage people from investing in new ones. Instead of recognizing that California's poverty problem largely is the result of government meddling, EPIC will propose more-aggressive interventions. At some point, lawmakers need to stop making unattainable high-school-level promises and begin wrestling with complex realities.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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No matter what, we cannot discuss the party or people in charge of causing/fixing the problem. That is right out. -Jeffy
"A group of Democratic lawmakers is starting ..."
Rather than reflexive sniping at the authors here, maybe you should consider actually reading an article before commenting on it.
He was commenting on Chem jeff not the author. Read to the end of his comment. You know... instead of sniping.
Could you tell me what is meant by "That is right out?"
As in: you shall only hurl the holy hand grenade after counting 1-2-3. Do not count to 4. Do not count til 2 (unless you continue on to 3). 5 is right out.
"A group of Democratic lawmakers is starting the End Poverty In California caucus"
I will consider the possibility they are serious when they open their homes to the poor, and donate their campaign funds to charity. Democrats are always in favor of donating other people's money by force, but never in favor of donating their own money voluntarily.
I continue to notice that a common thread of democrats is to fight Christian concepts.
"7 For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you want, you can do good to them; but you do not always have Me."
- Mark 7:14
In your take of the story, who is supposed to be Jesus? And do you even know what this story means? Conservatives love to talk about original intent and meaning when it comes to the founders. OK. So provide the Biblical exegesis of this passage
He actually has the verse and chapter reversed but the passage is part of the women bathing Jesus in perfume when he was readying to enter Jerusalem. The disciples scolded her for not selling the perfume and giving the money to the poor. This is part of Jesus' rebuke to them. Here is the full passage:
But Jesus said, “Leave her alone; why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful deed to Me. 7The poor you will always have with you,d and you can help them whenever you want. But you will not always have Me. 8She has done what she could to anoint My body in advance of My burial. 9And truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached in all the world, what she has done will also be told in memory of her.”
Jesus is saying an act of compassion should not be condemned simply because it could be used for other means but accepted for the love it shows. She gave freely of something of value that belonged to her, in her love and devotion to Christ. It doesn't matter that it could have been sold and given to the poor, because it was given out of love. It is also a rebuke of judging others, and their actions by your own standards. Something you leftist love to do. Deciding what people should do with their own belongings, for them, and believing their private property property should be used in a manner you see fit. So, the originalist meaning still destroys your and California's narrative.
Well that is certainly an interpretation that reinforces what you already believed. It's not at all originalist but is nicely propertarian and egoist.
re poverty, the story (also in Matthew 26 and John 12 but Luke has a different Lazarus story) is referring to Deuteronomy 15 and his other parables about poverty/wealth.
Namely that 'ending poverty' is a function of following God's commandments - and specifically Jubilee years which are what is being described in Deut 15
4 There will, however, be no one in need among you, because the Lord is sure to bless you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you as a possession to occupy, 5 if only you will obey the Lord your God by diligently observing this entire commandment that I command you today.
Charity is NOT a means of ending or ameliorating poverty. It is a means of showing God that you love God. From both Deut 15:7-11 and more well known from the preceding verses in Matthew 25
44 Then they also will answer, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?” 45 Then he will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.” 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.’
There is no 'propertarian' defense of 'I can do what I want with my money and you can't judge me because I know what love is' here.
Now - this is obviously a religious view of charity and how to treat the poor. It is NOT a solution to poverty. Jubilee year is - and it is FAR more anti-private property than you can even fathom.
So instead of using taxpayer money to help homeless people, who we always have with us, we should instead use this taxpayer money to stockpile perfume for the Second Coming?
> common-sense, well-researched policies
"common sense" - if you don't think too deeply, you might expect them to work
"well-researched" - this isn't wrong, it's just that the research says they don't work
The words “ending” and “poverty” don’t go together. Humanity runs on labor costs being driven down by poverty. If poverty were ended, costs for everybody else would go up. That is just supply and demand. Some libertarians will sometimes claim that capitalism and globalization have lifted billions of people out of poverty. But the threshold for the poverty line is around an income of $2 per day. So, if globalization raised some impoverished person’s income from $2 a day to $3 or $4 a day, they have been “lifted” out of poverty. It is cheap for capitalists to “lift” billions of people out of poverty at a cost of $1-$2 per day each. What has really happened is that they have saved many multiples of that by outsourcing that work from a country with higher labor costs. Cheap goods and services are dependent on a continuing fresh supply of humans living below the poverty line. If every human, or even a very large number of them, were flush with cash, low cost goods and services wouldn’t be as prevalent, and the value of stored wealth would be eroded. If everybody had a million dollars, it would cost a lot more to have your car fixed or your septic tank cleaned.
re: " Cheap goods and services are dependent on a continuing fresh supply of humans living below the poverty line."
That is demonstrably untrue. While flooding a labor market with excess supply is one way to achieve low costs, productivity improvements are another. In other words, teach those "poor billions" to produce more stuff. They can all then be "flush with cash" trading around all the new goods and services without necessarily driving up inflation.
Wealth is not static - it is created by making stuff that other people want.
You make the same mistake democrats do when they claim increases in productivity should go into wages when they also go to price reduction. See cost of computer in the 90s as compared to now.
""That is demonstrably untrue. ""
Is it?
We've been getting cheaper goods from countries using cheap labor, or if you are liberal, slave labor.
Countries that have high labor costs, have high product costs. It's part of the reason NYC can't build a public bathroom for under two million.
"...Humanity runs on labor costs being driven down by poverty..."
Next, tell us about the 'labor theory' of economics, ignoramus.
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"But the threshold for the poverty line is around an income of $2 per day."
Where is a $3 a day income not below the threshold for poverty?
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/factsheet/2022/05/02/fact-sheet-an-adjustment-to-global-poverty-lines
The World Bank updated the global poverty lines in September 2022. The decision, announced in May, follows the release in 2020 of new purchasing power parities (PPPs)—the main data used to convert different currencies into a common, comparable unit and account for price differences across countries. The new extreme poverty line of $2.15 per person per day, which replaces the $1.90 poverty line, is based on 2017 PPPs. Here you find more information about this change and what it means for measuring global poverty.
"The World Bank updated the global poverty lines i"
The extremely wealthy over at the World Bank are the best to define poverty for us. Everything they are not.
If poverty were ended, costs for everybody else would go up. That is just supply and demand.
No that is not what supply and demand is. I don't disagree that there is definitely a school of zero-sum economics that seems to justify obliterating even the aspirations of the poor.
But what you are really saying is that their aspirations to end their own poverty must be squashed because you will be better off if they remain poor.
How to solve the homeless crises in three easy steps
1. Arrest and procecuters criminal
2. Eliminate all welfare
3. Make it illegal to give taxpayer dollars to ngos
Rothbard's solution was even simpler:
1. Unleash the cops on bums and vagrants.
2. Make them disappear
3. Where will they go? Who cares.
Ending poverty isn't a libertarian ideal since it requires force to achieve, generally taking from one to give to another.
Part of freedom is the freedom to fail. If someone chooses not to work then they also choose not to support themselves. That is a choice they are allowed.
People can set up charities if they want to assist. No need to advocate for any other action.
"No need to advocate for any other action."
Wait until your libertarian failures starve and rebel. Then you'll need to advocate other actions.
When they reach the failure levels and death count of socialism let me know.
Amazing how you on the left always ignore government failures. Especially in regards to socialism.
Not amazing. Merely proof that concern for others is not their real agenda.
Ending or reducing poverty can be libertarian, liberty allowing for holding most any ideal.
Employing governmentv in pursuit of such goals is never libertarian.
More evidence that Greenhut is a proggressive in a libertarian skinsuit.
"When they reach the failure levels and death count of socialism let me know."
You'll know without having me to tell you.
"Amazing how you on the left always ignore government failures. "
It's amazing just how many things we can ignore. An empty stomach isn't one of them.
You liars are such birds of a feather. Just like the photo at the top of this dribble, when you speak of poverty you describe the gaunt street skeleton.
Yet when you follow where the money goes what you really find is obesity, cell phones, and cigarettes (or vapes)
"Yet when you follow where the money goes what you really find is obesity, cell phones, and cigarettes (or vapes)"
This is part of the problem. We live in a society that defines obesity, cell phones and smokes as wealth.
And also tatoos, jewlery and and lattes. Which are also the things I see on the people lining up at the food bank. My wife says being poor isn't what it used to be.
Poverty these days has a much stronger spiritual dimension, I would say. By stronger I mean more insecurity, hopelessness and despair but not a lack of material goods.
Spiritual dimension? Nothing a little more nihilistic postmodern socialism, distributed through kafkaesque corporatist public/private initiatives can’t solve!
"Spiritual dimension? "
Spiritual poverty is evidence in addiction, mental illness, suicide. Material wealth doesn't seem to alleviate these conditions. If you think you can tattoo yourself out of poverty, you're in for a disappointment.
re: "An empty stomach isn’t one of them."
Yes, that's exactly the point. In fixating on the empty stomachs, you are ignoring the fact that your chosen social polices are what emptied most of them in the first place.
"you are ignoring the fact that your chosen social polices are what emptied most of them in the first place."
Not only me. The vast majority of our countrymen are the same. Ideas generally and especially detailed knowledge of social policy are difficult and don't tend to motivate rebellions or start them.
“Help us make the rest of the
statecountry just like Stockton”– rising Democrat star G. Newsom
Poverty is a relative term, and in any economic system there will be a bottom 20%. There will always be poverty, there is no "ending poverty."
Improving quality of life is a different goal and is fine. Degrading quality of life is a possibility too -- communist and socialist systems make things miserable for darn near everyone. It's quite the achievement when poverty = not the bottom 20% but the bottom 95%.
Then there is the North Korean approach. Where there is no poverty because any sort of nonconformity is criminal.
Poverty is the natural state of man. with all our advancements there will still be people on the lower rungs of society.
"with all our advancements there will still be people on the lower rungs of society."
Advancements increase the distance between the poor and wealthy. The poorest among us make $2 a day while the wealthiest make $150,000 a day, though they are similar in terms of abilities and desires.
Once again revealing where your issues lies. Not with the bottom, but that some get so far ahead.
Bitterness and envy is all you deliver.
It's an issue with the very rich of the political enemy type.
I have never heard a liberal claim Soros has too much money or that he doesn't pay his fair share of taxes. It's always people they don't like.
I've heard he's a lousy tipper.
"but that some get so far ahead."
It's a question of morality, just deserts etc. If the person making 70,000 times the poor guy was that much more intelligent, hard working and everything else that's meritorious than the poor guy, that might be kosher. But in fact the gap is due to the magic of compound interest, money making money. That's where the unjust deserts come in, as anyone who takes the world's religious scriptures seriously would know.
The fact of the matter is that most genuinely poor people are routinely making easily identifiable mistakes that pretty much guarantee that they'll be screwed. Just avoiding those mistakes is virtually certain to guarantee that, while you might not end up wealthy, you won't be poor, either.
Left-wingers routinely scream "victim blaming!" when anybody points this out, but it's no less true. Most poor people are keeping themselves poor, nobody needs to keep them down.
Somebody like Musk isn't making those mistakes, AND he got a long series of high risk/high profit gambles right. At any point in that series he could easily have lost it all. Nearly did, in the early days of SpaceX.
The poorest among us make $2 a day
The poorest among us make $0 a day and spend more than $0 a day.
This has always been and will always be so.
"The poorest among us make $0 a day and spend more than $0 a day."
You could say the same thing about the richest. They leave the making and spending money to the help.
Set the poverty line at $100.00/year.
Bingo! Poverty ended.
Ending Poverty Requires Serious Policy, Not Political Platitudes
There’s literally no policy CA Democrats will cook up that not only makes the homeless problem worse, but also blows billions of dollars the state doesn’t have.
So please, let’s keep them focused on making platitudes.
Related:
Cuba bans cash and is right now spiraling over forty five percent inflation with food, medicine shortages.
South Africas ANC produces a failed state with its the largest income inequality in the world, while refusing “white” capital investment.
China sacrifices and destroys a city of around seventy million, leaving millions without electricity food or potable water to save the Communist Party in Beijing from severe flooding.
A cocaine addled Gavin Newsom hires a failed socialist to advise on policy.
Is anyone, at this point in time, shocked by any of this.
And in related Stockton news…
https://kcra.com/article/stockton-7-eleven-attempted-robbery-ends-beatdown/44730593
Try that in a Sikh town.
Sounds like the KRCA reporter could use a good beatdown as well.
"A man, who wanted to be identified as Deda, filmed the beatdown and explained why he did not step in."
It sounds like the clerks had the situation under control. Why step in?
I though we already had a war on poverty did that not work out has it ended and we need a something new?
Quiet. We're not supposed to bring that up. We've got plans now and we're going to try some government programs. It's all new. Never been tried before.
Good critique of the Sacramento Silliness Follies, but I have to disagree that ending poverty requires serious policy. Even serious policy will not end poverty. For example, building an effective wall around California and deporting all the poor would not end poverty, even if it were possible! Add to that the fact that most definitions of poverty are based on statistical "normal curves" placing the "poverty line" at some standard deviation below "average" all of which are moving targets. Even if you define poverty as not having enough money each week to buy food and shelter and a few necessities, giving each such person enough state support would not end poverty per se and would have serious negative consequences elsewhere. Taking into account that many impoverished people are incompetent even to stay in a provided shelter without provoking altercations or eat a nutritious meal instead of trading it for drugs or alcohol, and it becomes pretty obvious that there is no policy serious enough to "end poverty."
Good critique of the Sacramento Silliness Follies, but I have to disagree that ending poverty requires serious policy. Even serious policy will not end poverty.
Serious policy is what made it worse. You know, that serious policy that was put into place in earnest around 2010 which resulted in a startling rise in homelessness, drug addiction and crime, which Sullum blithely blames solely on “prohibition” which has been with us (for better or worse) for 100 years?
Didn't the War on Poverty start in the 60's?
California deserves everything it votes for.
As long as people make money BECAUSE of a problem, the problem will never, ever be fixed.
Exactly. Poverty is big business. Greenhut is acting on the assumption that they actually want to end poverty. Nothing could be further from the truth. There's too much money and political power in poverty. First you have the people that you are supposedly trying to help. They're going to vote for the people who say that they are going to give them the most. Then you have the people who administer the "programs" that are supposed to end poverty. You know the "public sector government union employees". If they end poverty, they are out of a job. That's not going to happen. We all know who they and their Unions support. I've heard that somewhere between 11 and 17 percent of government spending actually gets to the people it is meant to help. The remainder is used to "administer" the program. So if you are going to spend a Billion dollars on a program, only between $110 to $170 million goes to the people who need the help.
Poverty will never be ended. Some people just don’t want to participate in society, they would rather live on the edge. If you give them money they will spend it foolishly.
Also if you give people money for nothing, there is more money and prices will go up. There will always be people on the top, the majority of people in the middle, and the rest on the bottom. Those on the bottom will always be considered in poverty, because they don't have what everyone else has.
It's a wealth redistribution scheme to pull people out of poverty. As soon as the redistribution stops, the problem will continue. That's not ending poverty. That's using the term "ending poverty" as a campaign slogan for their wealth redistribution scheme.
""Some people just don’t want to participate in society, they would rather live on the edge""
Yeah.
"In 2023, HSOC teams approached and engaged with 2,344 unsheltered people living on the streets. Of those 2,344 people, 1,065 accepted shelter services. Fifty-four percent of people experiencing homelessness — or 1,278 people — declined offers for shelter."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/half-of-san-francisco-s-homeless-residents-refused-shelters-city-data/ar-AA1eNQcg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a75c4225461d46da86189a28e759b6e1&ei=20
O/T but related to Socialism-the this time it will be different narrative. The Cuba spiral is some serious commies starving people- again-shit. Will Cubans finally rise up, storm the palace and hang what’s left of the Castro monarchy by their balls? Better yet, Sanders the Squad and Jacobin magazine can be deployed to the island at the same time.
North Korea apparently has massive problems as well. Worse than usual. Enough food for MAYBE 3/4 of the population.
Step 0: Define poverty in an actionable way.
'I know it when I see it' isn't good enough for policy. A % of average income is just too stupid (but probably what the pols will use, as it guarantees the problem is never 'solved.'
This isn't even the worst thing to come out of the California State Assembly this summer. They passed out of committee a bill that would require judges to take race into account when passing sentence. Not sure how this is not a blatant violation of the 14A, but I suspect the 9th circuit will ignore it, or rule any challenges against it as not having standing, or some other triviality. Pretty sure Jim Crow laws did the same thing, they're just changing which races they target for disparate impact of sentencing.
Note this was part of the recommendations of the states reparations committee and the committee even acknowledged that this is the first step in their reparations procedures. To make up for Jim Crow we will pass reverse Jim Crow, got it.
It's also now child abuse in CA to not affirm your child's chosen gender with sufficient enthusiasm.
California peaked in the 80's and 90s, it is now entering a free fall. The halcyon days are well behind it. Elections have consequences, let it burn.
Didn't bother reading the article. Just popped in the state we will never end poverty, nor should we spend any effort in that endeavor. There will always, always be those too stupid and/or too lazy to earn a good living. Always has been. Always will be.
The USA had a poverty crisis in the 1920s and 30s. It turned out back then that when people got hungry enough, they were willing to do all kinds of work. Granted, government provided a lot of that employment, but at least those employees got some things done rather than just cashing a welfare check. I would support government programs that paid people to do things (even yucky manual labor, perish the thought!) -- maybe even build lasting things like those that came out of the civilian conservation corps and similar programs.
Well, go right ahead and pay them to do those things you want done! What's stopping you? Oh, you meant you WOULD pay them if you had any money to throw away but you don't so you would get the government to force ME to pay them to do stuff. Got it ... all clear now.
This article suffers from factual errors and failure to present success with California's anti-poverty measures:
1. California does NOT have the most generous welfare provisions.....Vermont, North Dakota, Massachusets, and Minnisota all have higher spending on the social safety net (St. Louis Fed Reserve)
2. California has reduced poverty with its programs:
"California’s Poverty Measure (CPM) fell dramatically from 16.4% in 2019 to a projected 11.7% in autumn 2021, largely due to federal and state social safety net programs. "
Nor is California anywhere near the top ,as the article falsely claims, in it s poverty rate: here are the 10 most impoverished states
Mississippi – 18.70%
Louisiana – 17.80%
New Mexico – 16.80%
West Virginia – 15.80%
Arkansas – 15.20%
District of Columbia – 15%
Alabama – 14.90%
Kentucky – 14.90%
California does not have the highest poverty rate but ranks 25th, right in the middle.
Criticism of California policies is valid only if lies are not used to attack them.
"Vermont, North Dakota, Massachusets, and Minnisota all have higher spending on the social safety net (St. Louis Fed Reserve)"
Is it a coincidence that these are all states from the northern tier where winters are coldest and longest?
"Mississippi – 18.70%
Louisiana – 17.80%
New Mexico – 16.80%
West Virginia – 15.80%
Arkansas – 15.20%
District of Columbia – 15%
Alabama – 14.90%
Kentucky – 14.90%"
Most of these are in the south or deep south. Shorter and warmer winters. Lower spending on keeping the poor from freezing to death.
The coldest of the coldest, Alaska, has, if I recall, the most socialistic social program in the country, with an appreciable chunk of fossil fuel royalties going into the pockets of residents each year.
This is not an article, but an opinion column. Duh.
""Social safety net programs are primarily responsible for the large declines. Both the federal Child Tax Credit (CTC) and CalFresh food assistance increased benefits and expanded eligibility in response to COVID-19.""
Covid funds.
""The 2021 expansion of the CTC has expired, so poverty has likely increased in 2022.""
https://www.ppic.org/publication/poverty-in-california/
Is that by percentage of state population?
11.7% of CA is way more starving people than 15.2% in AR.
You will never ‘cure’ poverty so long as the poor have no desire to work to improve their condition. Most of the ‘poor’ are their because of bad decisions THEY made be it single parenthood, drug addiction or other readily preventable conditions. Throwing money at them only lessens the incentives to get their shit together. When their choice is between work and starvation, most will pick work. Those that don’t, good riddance. Darwinism at work.
Considering the aid/benefits/credits people/families receive is not included, the number given isn't how many people are actually living in poverty but rather how many would be living in it if the aid/benefits/credits didn't exist. So the current 11.6% of Americans we are told are living in poverty are not because a large percentage of them are getting aid/benefits/credits.
Mike Munger in an episode of econtalk once claimed (admitting the calculation was rough) that only half of welfare spending, state and federal, would be enough to bring everyone above the (admittedly modest) poverty line. Half the money goes to admin, waste through indirect policies (public housing and rent control rather than encouraging construction and simply giving money and allow people to choose in a free market and boost demand for low cost housing creating business opportunities), and benefits accruing to people well above the poverty line (not only for households with many children).
Why not start there? Then the political discussion could focus on how high the poverty line should be and what is needed to avoid outright disincentivising work by making it more lucrative to remain on welfare rather than lose benefits once you even start working at minimum wage. Then spend more on retraining, building skills, and perhaps subsidizing employer risk temporarily to give say ex junkies and convicts chances to prove themselves. That still leaves a healthy chunk left over to lower taxes.
It is hard to see why anyone except people in the bureaucracy could oppose this. Yet we never discuss these questions from the viewpoint of efficiency. That should come first…
Poverty has already been effectively ended in this country.
Why is it coming back in California? Maybe stop doing those things?
Progressive CA well on its way to becoming the great state of Detroit. Gov-Guns Don’t Make Sh*t!!!!! They never have and they never will.
The most successful end to poverty throughout MOUNTAINS; literally MOUNTAINS of history is Liberty and Justice for *all*. That’s it. Put the F’En “Gov-Guns will make sh*t armed-theft” criminals in prison to protect the rest of us and there will be less poverty than the world has ever seen (ref; The original USA’s massive success).
But heaven-forbid these criminals LEARN a F’En thing from massive MOUNTAINS of history.