Giuliani Admits His Oft-Told Tale of Georgia Election Fraud Was Not True
Unlike calling Trump's stolen-election fantasy "the Big Lie," his lawyer's statements were demonstrably false assertions of fact.

Late Friday night, a federal judge in Florida tossed a lawsuit in which former President Donald Trump argued that CNN had defamed him by labeling his stolen-election fantasy "the Big Lie." A few days earlier in a different defamation case, Rudy Giuliani, who as Trump's lawyer helped propagate the claim that systematic fraud delivered the White House to Joe Biden, belatedly admitted that he had falsely and repeatedly accused two Georgia election workers of participating in that imaginary conspiracy.
Whatever you think of the notion that people have a right to protect their reputations in court, the conjunction of those two developments starkly illustrates the difference between use and abuse of defamation law as it currently stands. Trump has a long, astonishingly petty history of filing (or threatening to file) frivolous defamation claims against critics who irk him, and his CNN lawsuit was dismissed for an entirely predictable reason: He failed to allege that the channel had published verifiably false statements of fact about him. In the lawsuit against Giuliani, by contrast, Ruby Freeman and Wandrea Moss (who are mother and daughter) plausibly allege that he defamed them by publicly claiming they had deliberately introduced and processed thousands of phony Biden ballots.
Trump's lawsuit, which he filed last October, cited four CNN articles and one broadcast.
In a January 25, 2021, essay under the headline "Trump's big lie wouldn't have worked without his thousands of little lies," CNN Opinion contributor Ruth Ben-Ghiat called Trump "a leader of authoritarian intentions and tendencies," likening him to "China's Xi Jinping" and "Hungary's Viktor Orbán." She said "Trump's 'Big Lie'" about the election was "a brazen falsehood with momentous consequences."
In a July 5, 2021, piece, CNN Editor-at-Large Chris Cillizza explicitly invoked Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. Cillizza began by quoting something Trump had said at a rally in Sarasota, Florida, two days before: "If you say it enough and keep saying it, they'll start to believe you."
Although Trump was talking about deceptive claims by Democrats, Cillizza suggested that observation described what Trump himself was trying to do by claiming the election had been stolen: "One can only hope that Trump was unaware that his quote was a near-replication of this infamous line from Nazi Joseph Goebbels: 'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.'" In another CNN essay two months later, Cillizza said Trump "continued to push the Big Lie that the election was somehow stolen despite there being zero actual evidence to back up that belief."
On CNN's State of the Union in January 2022, Jake Tapper said Trump was "continuing to push his big lie," a phrase he used several times. The following month, CNN published another Cillizza piece complaining that "Trump's election lie is on the march." Citing a "new poll" indicating that "Trump['s] 2020 election lie is working," Cillizza bemoaned "the insidiousness of Trump's big lie," saying "his false claims are wheedling their way into the consciousness of the public."
The gravamen of Trump's complaint, as summarized by U.S. District Judge Raag Singhal (a Trump appointee), was that "the use of the phrase 'the Big Lie' constitutes defamation per se because it 'create[s] a false and incendiary association between the Plaintiff and Hitler.'" Trump claimed that phrase is defamatory because it "has incited readers and viewers to hate, contempt, distrust, ridicule, and even fear," thereby "causing injury to the Plaintiff, the Plaintiff's reputation, and the Plaintiff's political career."
Based on CNN's use of that phrase, Trump claimed, "viewers and readers 'understood that Plaintiff would be Hitler-like in any future political role.'" Trump said the resulting damages exceeded $75,000, and he sought punitive damages of $475 million—reminiscent of his half-billion-dollar claim against a financial journalist who dared to suggest that Trump's fortune was smaller than he asserted.
"This case involves political speech of the highest order," Singhal notes. "The First Amendment 'has its fullest and most urgent application precisely to the conduct of campaigns for public office,'" and the speech that provoked Trump's lawsuit "involves reporting and commentary on Trump's challenges to the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election."
The fatal problem with Trump's complaint, Singhal says in dismissing the lawsuit with prejudice, is that it "alleges no false statements of fact." The comments that offended him "are opinion, not factually false statements, and therefore are not actionable."
While "Trump argues that CNN's motivation for describing his election challenges as 'the Big Lie' was to undermine Trump's political standing," Singhal adds, "political motivation does not establish falsity." And although "the Court finds Nazi references in the political discourse (made by whichever 'side') to be odious and repugnant," he writes, "bad rhetoric is not defamation when it does not include false statements of fact."
The accusations that Giuliani lodged against Freeman and Moss, by contrast, were false statements of fact, as he now concedes. In the December 2021 lawsuit that the two women filed against Giuliani and One America News Network (OAN) in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, they noted that Giuliani had repeatedly claimed surveillance video from Atlanta's State Farm Arena, where Fulton County absentee ballots were tallied, showed that election workers, including two individuals eventually identified as Freeman and Moss, intentionally counted a massive number of phony ballots.
On December 3, 2020, Giuliani and other members of Trump's legal team testified before the Georgia Senate about alleged election irregularities. A Trump campaign representative said the purported fraud at State Farm Center involved 18,000 ballots. She referred to "suitcases of ballots [stored] under a table, under a tablecloth"; identified the election workers as "the lady in purple," "two women in yellow," and "the lady with the blond braids also, who told everyone to leave"; and stated that "one of them had the name Ruby across her shirt somewhere."
Giuliani amplified those claims on Twitter that day. He retweeted a post in which fellow Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis averred that "thousands of ballots" were "pulled from under a table in suitcases and scanned." And he claimed the evidence of that crime was irrefutable: "The video tape doesn't lie. Fulton County Democrats stole the election. It's now beyond doubt."
The next day, Giuliani sent three tweets in the same vein. He asserted that "the Georgia middle of the night theft of thousands of votes changes everything." He said questioning that conclusion was "like disputing a bank robbery when you have 4 cameras showing the robbery." And he promoted a podcast in which he said he would "examine the VIDEO EVIDENCE."
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (a Republican who supported Trump's reelection) and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation looked into these claims and found no evidence to support them. In a December 4, 2020, tweet, Gabriel Sterling, Georgia's voting implementation manager, said "the 90 second video of election workers" that supposedly proved outcome-altering fraud actually "shows normal ballot processing." He elaborated on that conclusion in a lengthy Newsmax interview that evening.
In his tweet, Sterling cited a debunking by Lead Stories. Georgia Public Broadcasting and PolitiFact weighed in with their own refutations. At a December 7 press conference, Raffensperger and Sterling reiterated the conclusion that Giuliani's allegations were without merit.
Undeterred, Giuliani identified Freeman by name during a December 23, 2020, podcast, describing her as someone with "a history of voter fraud participation." Not only were there fake ballots, he said, but they were counted multiple times. "It's quite clear, no matter who they're doing it for, they're cheating," he added. "It looks like a bank heist."
On another podcast two days later, Giuliani said "Ruby Freeman and her crew" got "everybody out of the center" with a "false story" about a "water main break," and then "all of a sudden the crooks sprang into action." He repeated the story during a December 30, 2020, podcast and an OAN interview the same day. "For a hundred years," he said on OAN, "this film will show" that "there was an attempt to steal" the 2020 election.
Trump brought up the debunked claim yet again during the notorious January 2, 2021, telephone conversation in which he urged Raffensperger to "find" the votes necessary to overturn Biden's victory in Georgia. Based on "the tape that's been shown all over the world," Trump referred to "the phony ballots of Ruby Freeman," which he said totaled "18,000." He called her "a professional vote scammer and hustler," saying that "reputation" was "known all over the internet."
Raffensberger patiently rebutted that claim once again: "You're talking about the State Farm video. And I think it's extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people…sliced and diced that video and took it out of context." The "full run of the tape," he explained, showed that nothing untoward had happened. When Trump asserted that Georgia election workers "put the votes in three times," Raffensperger replied that no such thing had happened: "We did an audit of that, and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times."
Two days later, Sterling held another press conference to rebut the allegations that Trump had made during the phone call. Although Trump's lawyers "had the
entire tape," he complained, they "intentionally misled the State Senate, the
voters and the people of the United States about this."
Giuliani continued the deception in OAN interviews the same month, that June, that July, and that December, less than two weeks before Freeman and Moss filed their lawsuit. OAN—which had repeatedly accused Freeman by name, including segments in which Giuliani did not appear—reached a settlement with her and her daughter in May 2022. That left Giuliani as the sole remaining defendant in the case.
Last Tuesday, Giuliani filed a "nolo contendre stipulation" saying he was "desirous to avoid unnecessary expenses in litigating what he believes to be unnecessary disputes." Although he "believes that he has legal defenses to this Complaint," it says, he "does not contest" that he "made the statements of and concerning the Plaintiffs" and "does not dispute for purposes of this litigation" that "the statements carry meaning that is defamatory per se." The stipulation adds that "to the extent the statements were statements of fact and other wise actionable, such actionable factual statements were false."
Giuliani's nevertheless says his stipulation "does not affect" his "argument that his statements are constitutionally protected statements or opinions." But he does not contest "the factual elements of liability" for "intentional infliction of emotional distress and other related tort claims," although he is not conceding that his actions "caused Plaintiffs any damages" or agreeing on "the amount of any damages."
What were the consequences of being "known all over the internet," as Trump put it, for engaging in a massive election fraud that never happened? "As Defendants' false accusations began to spread across the internet," the original complaint says, "Ms. Freeman received at least 420 emails and 75 text messages, including one that read, 'We know where you live, we coming to get you.'" A local police officer "answered more than 20 harassing calls on Ms. Freeman's cell phone," and she was "ultimately forced to change her phone number and email address." Strangers "camped out at Ms. Freeman's home and/or knocked on her door." She received pizza deliveries she never ordered and abusive Christmas cards.
On January 6, 2021, the day of the Capitol riot by Trump supporters, the complaint says, "a crowd surrounded Ms. Freeman's house, some on foot, some in vehicles, others equipped with a bullhorn. Fortunately, Ms. Freeman had followed the FBI's
advice and had temporarily relocated from her home. She was not able to return for two months." She later installed "eleven cameras and three motion sensors in an effort to safeguard her own home." She "has lost friendships" and was "forced to deactivate the social media pages for herself and her business, Lady Ruby's Unique Treasures, a pop-up clothing boutique."
When "people recognize her in public and call out her name, Ms. Freeman is fearful," the complaint says. "Her experiences over the months since Defendants' defamation campaign began have taught Ms. Freeman to be distrustful of strangers and concerned for her safety. To this day, Ms. Freeman continues to receive threatening communications." The fallout for her daughter has been similar.
It took nearly three years for Giuliani to admit that the video he claimed would go down in history as evidence of a stolen election did not show what he repeatedly insisted it did. Meanwhile, the stolen-election narrative that he and Trump promoted had real consequences for real people, as illustrated by this case, the jaw-dropping $788 million settlement that Fox News agreed to pay for amplifying their claims, and ongoing litigation involving companies and individuals they falsely accused of participating in a vast criminal conspiracy.
That's leaving aside the distrust, acrimony, and violence that Giuliani et al. fostered by stubbornly insisting, against all evidence to the contrary, that Trump actually won reelection. But the real outrage, according to Trump, is that critics dared to call him out for his wild allegations.
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That headline is even LESS accurate than the one presented.
In actual fact, Guliani DID NOT admit anything. He stated he was not contesting a claim. That is not an admission the claim is valid.
"to the extent the statements were statements of fact and other wise actionable, such actionable factual statements were false."
So many articles about how clean the election was -- which is a weird claim in the first place considering 2016 was stolen -- but no articles about how numerous states have declared their 2020 election changes to be illegal.
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OK, let’s start with the “State Farm” video: do you still believe it shows an act of election fraud?
There are a lot of issues and questions besides direct vote fraud worthy of more attention than they get in mainstream press.
Yeah, those ballots may all have been counted and cast in an election that the secretary of state made illegitimate with unwise COVID policy. Too bad the state plays definition games and says that since the allegations of false elections are based on the process not being carried out by its own rules, and you can't prove that, then it doesn't matter that the executive branch unilaterally changed the election laws in the states, that doesn't invalidate the election. I'm sure that there are no concerns for individuals who value freedom when the "elected" executive branch can decide when, where, and how elections will be run, and there are no checks and balances other than voting for the executive branch. I'm sure this banana republic stuff will have no negative consequences, because the people fortifying the elections have the best of intentions, and no good intentions mixed with totalitarian government have ever had negative consequences.
The fact that a number of election procedures were ruled illegal after the fact does not take away from the fact that they were used in 2020 and voters used them in good faith. Many of the procedure were in use for many years and were only challenged in 2020 to satisfy the vanity of the former President. The Wisconsin Supreme Court rules the 2020 election results were valid and later ruled that some procedures could not be used in the future.
So, Trump doesn't like being compared to Hitler. Can't really blame him. Nobody does. Except the actual Nazis of course.
But of course only Trump would be so thin-skinned about it that he would make a million-dollar lawsuit out of it.
Which got me thinking. You know how there used to be Everybody Draw Mohammad day? As an act of defiance against the authoritarian mullahs and their stupid religious laws.
Well. Maybe we can have an Everybody Compare Trump To Hitler day. Where everybody picks a day and everybody very loudly and very often compares Trump to Hitler. What is he going to do, sue everyone? We can have biting comparisons, absurd comparisons, passive-aggressive comparisons, humorous comparisons, all sorts of comparisons. Just to get under his skin.
"Like Hitler, Trump was once the leader of a great nation."
"Both Hitler and Trump had very unique dietary tastes. Hitler enjoyed liver dumplings and succulent trout. Trump enjoys hamberders."
"Both Hitler and Trump were artists. Hitler's medium was oil on canvas. Trump's medium was characters on COVFEFE"
It's already been done!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
Oh but that is just a start.
Only twice was America sliding into totalitarianism: Once under Woodrow Wilson (who suffered a stroke before he could finish his quest for absolute power) and FDR who died before he could wreck America. Fortunately, FDR's understudy was an incompetent who quickly flamed out trying to maintain war level spending and conscripting striking union members.
Had Roosevelt lived though the 50's, Americans would be flooding over the border into Mexico, seeking asylum.
Comparing Trump to Hitler here isn't a serious comparison. It is just to pique Trump. Because he is a thin-skinned narcissist.
In which Jeffy is brought down to Trump's level, and does not care.
Some people think that Hitler had only one testicle. We don't know how many testicles Trump has, because the only people who might know are either dead or too traumatized to publicly comment.
Hey man, remember when you said that you would try to do better than to stoop. That lasted all of 2 days. Guess we're done with that now.
Well, he’s a liar, sooo….
As if chemjeff is a big meanie meanly criticizing some regular guy, and not a citizen criticizing a public figure and politician who was President and may be President again.
Hitler gave speeches that appealed to the average German citizen on matters that were important to Germany at the time. Trump gives speeches that appeal to the average American citizen because his vocabulary just isn’t that big.
Every day is already compare Trump to Hitler day though.
Yet somehow, no day is "Compare Biden to a Corrupt Turnip Day".
LOL, and Trump is the guy who we aren’t supposed to ever criticize for his “mean tweets”.
Are you really this obtuse, or is this a deliberate strawman?
Could be both.
I was staunchly libertarian before Trump came about, this comment section is the most disappointing self inflated bull crap I've ever seen in my entire life, so much so that I had to make a reason account just to throw my hat into the "im a different free market capitalist than you are" ring again.
you guys are all useless, you create nothing, you change nothing. you are basically useless idiots who do not realize that you are commenting on a goddamn article that cites C F*C*ING NN
free markets only work in the technological society we live in if every country plays by the rules, newsflash they don't
so the best we can hope for is a government that lets us be free domestically and absolutely f**ks the countries who don't play farir, the us could be isolationist tomorrow if the average idiot would be willing to sacrifice to pay more temporarily for something, or forgo a convenience, but God forbid our society has any spine
the NAP is obsolete, it is is atrophy, it is a slow death, because the moment your opponent realizes they don't have to openly attack you, they'll ruin you slowly,
fuck reason this article is trash, eat it mods
Maybe we can have an Everybody Compare Trump To Hitler day.
Isn't that like every day for the past 7 years or so? No one has been holding back on making unflattering statements about Trump. Draw Mohammed day was interesting because many people were self-censoring to avoid pissing off Muslims. No one has ever held back about Trump for fear of reprisals.
What a day this has been for Reason's Revelations! First, the FBI illegally spied on Americans and now, a crooked politician was found to be lying!
What next? Apples are a fruit? Summer is hot?
Fake news! /s
Hard to say an erroneous interpretation of a video rises to defamation.
But pretty easy to see why one side would accuse the other of using the "Big Lie" strategy made famous by Nazi SS leader Joseph Goebbels, to deflect from their own frequent use of the Big Lie strategy.
Gosh, so innocent. Just an “erroneous interpretation” (targeting two specific people and repeating lies that Giuliani knew were not true.)
Yeah. I’m sure if the election had gone the other way the dems would be totally good sports about it. And if not, I’m sure the media, in unison, would give their concerns the exact same “big lie” or “fantasy” treatment that they do for trump.
Haha. Who am I kidding? The election didn’t go the other way, and fuck trump anyway, amirite dems? Cheating is ok in some cases.
I’m a little surprised that the media isn’t closer to this rationalization right now. Let’s call it the “what difference, at this point, does it make?” attitude. Seems to be working for the lab leak. Time heals all wounds, right?
Trump is a marketing genius. This is how he stays relevant and a part of the continuing conversation no matter how much you hate it. Fucking genius!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/06/donald-trump-hitler-michael-bender-book
Trump told chief of staff Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’, book says
Remark shocked John Kelly, author Michael Bender reports
Book details former president’s ‘stunning disregard for history’
I admit I do enjoy driving on the Autobahn.
Yes we know. He sues people who make him sad not because he's a whiny crybaby. It's because he's playing 9-dimensional chess. Sure. That's it.
Hitler thought Jews ran the world. Oddly, so did Trump - because he put one in charge!
Trump’s got you awfully upset this evening, Lying Jeffy. Everything alright?
Seems to me Georgia election law probably requires press admission during ballot counting. So unless that's not part of Georgia's election law then everyone and their pet dog saw by election station video election law being broken. And just a big fat never-mind of all the Governor executive fiat that took place. Another blatant violation of election lawmaking.
Oh sure, sure. Those insisting election law be properly enforced (actually having election integrity) are the "Big Liars".... /s
That's not what he said, but you'll keep lying until you're justly hung from a lamppost.
https://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/1686168169986011136?t=YlVefAswYbTuSxw_Iadi2g&s=19
Let’s talk Election Interference: the topic that got myself and so many others banned just a few short years ago. It’s real, it’s happening, and our intelligence agencies have a very public history of meddling in elections.
[Link]
Dov H. Levin wrote a 2020 book called ‘Meddling in the Ballot Box: The Causes and Effects of Partisan Electoral Interventions’. In it they reveal that the United States intervened in more foreign elections between 1946 and 2000 than any other nation.
Among the 938 "competitive national level executive elections" (Presidential, Prime Minister, etc) examined by Levin from 1946 to 2000, the United States intervened in 81 foreign elections.
The next closest was data combined from the Soviet Union and Russia. Between the two, 36 foreign elections at this level were interfered with between 1946 to 2000.
But what’s most shocking is that in these elections the interference by the intelligence agencies typically amounted to a 3% swing in votes resulting in the preferred candidate winning in "many cases".
The study also found suggestive evidence that such interventions increased the risk of democratic breakdown in the targeted states.
During this period, 1946 to 2000, the U.S. and Russia (including the Soviet Union) thus intervened in 117 of 938 competitive elections during this period—about one in nine!
So what could a 3% swing do to an election here in the United States? 3% could have an effect large enough to have potentially changed the results in seven out of 14 U.S. presidential elections occurring after 1960.
A 3% swing could look like this: [graphic, link]
Or this: [graphic, link]
Or even this: [graphic, link]
And how was his relationship with the intelligence community?
[Link]
The leadership at CIA couldn’t stand him.
[Link]
The FBI admitted it falsely went after him and the Special Counsel confirmed this.
[Link]
Further, there study also found evidence that such interventions increased the risk of democratic breakdown in the targeted states at all levels (fed, state, local) and that nations successfully targeted were more prone to societal breakdown in the aftermath.
Why? Because people know when their elections have been stolen. People know when things have been tampered with and when the government and those in charge aren’t giving it to them straight.
We were told to believe that this: [pics]
Got narrowly beaten by this: [pics]
And that things like this: [link]
This: [link]
This: [link]
And this are totally on the level: [link]
When we know some of the most successful operations these agencies have ever conducted are election interference. People know they’ve been had and that the 2020 Election was stolen.
And the cherry on top is that we’ve suffered the breakdown in societal cohesion that nations do after these events, just as the study found.
The intelligence apparatus did this and the people suffer because of it. Our security state is out of control and (like happens after stolen elections) they get more brazen and lawless as time goes on. We’re still at the beginning of all this.
Be Kind To Your Neighbors
https://twitter.com/RileyRooTwo/status/1686058903233085461?t=8MdSYsefSbCOOzfxdTqLnA&s=19
Dafuqs up with gas prices?
Just making sure to fuck us while they can.
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1686136050165440512?t=ugnMp-C1vQ5yVBnRtaAQcQ&s=19
2024 Presidential Election Poll
(R) Donald Trump: 42% (+3)
(D) Joe Biden: 39%
Moderate Independent: 9%
Swing States
(R) Donald Trump: 44% (+6)
(D) Joe Biden: 38%
Moderate Independent: 9%
Echelon (A/B) | 1,013 LV | 07/24-27
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I mean, polls are bullshit, but LOL at Biden being that miserable a president.
I wonder if the Dems will replace FJB.
I can’t decide if they’ll double down or fridge his ass. Realistically, their power brokers don’t want to run Kamala as she’s even more toxic than Hillary, so they have to figure out a way to take them both down.
Too bad for Trump the election is next year.
https://twitter.com/TruthNinja316/status/1686044588220510208?t=xQcWj6-0Xo2VCKyjnsSwbA&s=19
In 2019 Dominion Voting Systems (whom had already sold most of their equipment for the 2020 election) started a HEAVY lobbying campaign (Spending 270,000 dollars leading up to Election Day), including hiring Devon Archer connected lobbying firms and Nancy Pelosi's former Chief of Staff. The targets? The DHS, Senators and people like Pelosi. Why?
[Link]
Because winning one defamation lawsuit isn't enough?
I don't speak legalese, but the filing linked in the CNN article that asserts he "admitted to falsely ...", which quotes CNN's senior "legal analyst" as quoting Giuliani saying "Yes, I lied about them", doesn't seem to say anything like "Yes, I lied about them". So, CNN is lying about Giuliani admitting to lying?
Oh, well, it is CNN. Nevermind.
It looks like CNN made up the quote and is now using the quote as "evidence" of lying.
Quoting CNN about the Big Lie? LOL. I checked the references in this Article and found most were removed, deleted, or irrelevant. This article reeks of Trump Derangement Syndrome and fails to expose what we've learned after the fact that democrats, republicans, FBI, DOJ, (CIA?) did everything they could to protect the deep state and elect a criminal organization to the White House. We also learned that Trump is probably one of the most honest people there ever was considering the onslaught of personal, political, and legal attacks from concerted efforts at all levels corruption that slide right off of him. He's obviously on the right side of the rule of law, even though we know that's not a real thing. Not bad for a Democrat from New York. Way to go Mr. Trump.
The Trump Faithful still believe. Nothing will change that.
That's what faith means.
Trump could rip his mask off and be the literal devil, and Trumpeteers will still swear up and down that it isn't true, dems are just as bad, the election was stolen, etc.
What did Trump do that was so horrible? Do you people ever even ask that question?
Why is he worshiped like a god? Do you people ever even ask that question?
Trump is confidence man, all talk. He never had the skill set for the Presidency and as his term of office went on that became clear. His total incompetence was shown during the pandemic. Now the people of America gave their verdict in 2020 and he was retired.
What did he do that was horrible, he violated his oath of office and refused to turn over power peacefully.
Yeah, that peace and prosperity really sucked.
Obviously, people were ready for a change. The prosperity left by Obama was gone by the end four Trump years.
"The prosperity left by Obama was gone by the end four Trump years."
When good things happen while your team has the White House, they get the credit.
When good things happen while the other team has the White House but your team has Congress, Congress gets the credit.
When good things happen while the other team has both the White House and Congress, the previous administration gets the credit.
Partisans are as predictable as the tides.
Really? Because I heard the prosperity during Trump years was just a continuation of Obama.
It was fine until the pandemic.
The prosperity left by Obama was gone by the end four Trump years.
Still blaming Trump for COVID and the insane reactions of mostly Democrat totalitarians? Can't have an economy if you can't go to work. Which a lot of people did experience, thanks to Team Blue.
+1
Answer: Everything Democrats did during COVID was Trumps fault and him pointing out vast differences in election was Trumps fault and anyone who believed those UN-disputed (short of calling it names) differences is a Trump worshiper....
You leftards really do play chicken-shit bully games; day in and day out. To answer sarcasmic with more thought than 1st Grader king of mountain mentality.
Trump is respected (not worshiped) because he CUT Nazi (socialist) -Regulation, tried defending the nation against invasion, strengthened (not tried to destroy by massive printing) the USD as well and many many many more things that was what the USA is about. How did Trump handle the pandemic? 1st he didn't try handling it like a totalitarian Nazi and let the States handle it as the USA is suppose to and 2nd he CUT regulation to allow fastest possible cures to come about. The only mistake was supporting Democrats Cares Act.
Oh but yeah sure; That kind of respect for what was done must be "worshiping" or something. Nothing but butt-loads of projection from the leftards.
He could say "Alright. You got me. I made it all up." and his Faithful would still swear the election was stolen.
People still believe the elections were stolen from Gore and Hillary.
Some do, but they haven't stormed the capital, haven't scapegoated election workers, and haven't tried schemes to hold power.
Nah; They’ll just BURN DOWN, loot and destroy entire city blocks instead…
People in these comments defend Tucker Carlson and swear what he said about election machines is true.
And somehow their supporting evidence than a couple of public advertisements from Russia is far more significant than massive contradiction between in-person and mail ballots and an IP log showing foreign interference.....
It's so funny to hear them talk about the 'other' side being the worshiping mentality when all the evidence perfectly describes themselves as being the party-affiliated worshipers.
Leftard Projection 101.
MULDER: I'd like to congratulate you on succeeding where so many before you have failed. A bullet between the eyes would have been preferable to this charade. But I've learned to pretend over the past nine years - to pretend that my victories mattered only to realize that no one was keeping score. To realize that liars do not fear the truth if there are enough liars. That the devil is just one man with a plan but evil, true evil, is a collaboration of men which is what we have here today. If I am a guilty man, my crime is in daring to believe that the truth will out and that no one lie can live forever. I believe it still. Much as you try to bury it, the truth is out there. Greater than your lies, the truth wants to be known. You will know it. It'll come to you, as it's come to me faster than the speed of light.
You may believe yourselves rid of your headache now and maybe you are .. but you've only done it by cutting off your own heads.
Did Reason use the phrase "Big Lie" when Pelosi & Hillary were peddling their stolen election nonsense?
"Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts."
https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/864522009048494080
"If you say it enough and keep saying it, they'll start to believe you." So what if they do? It's still protected speech under the First Amendment with known exceptions of libel and slander; incitement to riot this second, and pornography. Merely saying the election was stolen is protected.
"Merely saying the election was stolen is protected."
Calling the above the "Big Lie" is also protected speech.
Why yes it is… Humorously; Your party association seems to be the only one censoring speech on the subject. You sell PROJECTION like no other.
those known exceptions are the issue, here.
Giuliani was engaging in libel and slander. he was making false statements that created real world harm to those women. CNN was not.
If anything said by anyone can influence an election, campaigning would have to be banned. That would be a clear violation of...wait...No 24/7 political commercials? No posters on every street? No demonstrations? No rallies? Maybe they're on to something here.
Why are you lying?? Rudy addressed this, yet no update has been made. Why not? Rudy:
Pedro, I didn't admit to lying. It wasn't an admission.
We didn't contest this part of the case in order to get to the portion of the case that permits a motion to dismiss.
Are you a lawyer? If you have any integrity, you'll take down this tweet.
Shameful.
Link to X tweet: https://twitter.com/rudygiuliani/status/1686233447235194880?s=46&t=xm_WTjP7jiCIAfJFvtNIbQ
I don't know who Pedro is, or what he said which was so shameful, but the Reason article accurately describes what Rudy has admitted: that the allegations he had made about the plaintiffs were false.
If he wants to argue that he was entitled to make false statements about the plaintiffs, he is still free to do so, but he is no longer entitled to claim his statements were actually true.
Do you believe Rudy?