Election 2020

A Vilified Dominion Executive Sues Promoters of a Bizarre Tale at the Center of Trump's Election Conspiracy Theory

Eric Coomer says the claim that he bragged about fixing the election during an "antifa conference call" provoked a torrent of abuse and death threats.

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After Donald Trump lost the presidential election, Joseph Oltmann, a conservative activist and podcaster in Colorado, began telling a story that he said helped explain that outcome. Sometime during the week of September 27, Oltmann claimed, he had "infiltrated an antifa conference call," during which one participant asked, "What are we gonna do if fucking Trump wins?" According to Oltmann's account, a man named Eric, identified by someone else on the call as "the Dominion guy," replied: "Don't worry about the election. Trump is not gonna win. I made fucking sure of that. Hahahaha."

From that exchange, Oltmann said, he deduced that Eric Coomer, director of product strategy and security at Dominion Voting Systems, was involved in an elaborate criminal conspiracy to steal the election by rigging vote-counting machines. Thus was born a central element of a fantasy promoted by Trump and his diehard supporters across the country, including Rudy Giuliani, his personal attorney, and Sidney Powell, a lawyer whom Jenna Ellis, the Trump campaign's senior legal adviser, described as a member of the "elite strike force team…working on behalf of the president and the campaign." And thus was born the defamation lawsuit that Coomer filed in Colorado yesterday against Oltmann, Giuliani, Powell, and the Trump campaign, along with two news outlets and several journalists who have credulously promoted Oltmann's tale.

"To be clear," the complaint says, "Dr. Coomer has no knowledge of an alleged 'Antifa Conference Call'; Dr. Coomer did not participate in such an alleged call; Dr. Coomer did not make the comments Defendants falsely attribute to him; and Dr. Coomer did not take actions to subvert the presidential election as Defendants falsely allege." According to the lawsuit, which Coomer filed in Denver County District Court, Oltmann's description of him as a key figure in the anti-Trump plot that supposedly denied the president his rightful victory provoked a torrent of abuse and death threats.

Some of the social media posts about Coomer, such as a November 17 tweet by Eric Trump, have included his photograph as well as his name. Coomer "was forced to flee his home in response to the credible threats he has been receiving and continues to receive," the complaint says. "He has had to sever ties with friends and family members in order to stay in seclusion." The complaint presents examples of the accusations and threats, including several from Oltmann himself.

"Eric Coomer, you are a traitor," Oltmann wrote on Parler earlier this month. "We are coming for you and your shitbag company. We are coming for Antifa and we are coming for your politician friends. Share this…share Eric's name…If they certify the electors today after this audit, we have an obligation to forcibly remove them all. This is not a drill, our country is not their evil playground. God is at the wheel, but we are the warriors that must do the work of men to repel evil. These people are evil, and they are liars, cheats and thieves out to take what they did not earn or deserve. Where will you stand?"

Oltmann made it clear he had in mind more than angry social media posts. "Now it's time we fight," he said. "And when I [say] fight I don't mean yelling it's not fair. I mean we fight these communist, marxist lying shitbags. That means Eric Coomer never has peace and we smash each and every voting machine in every state that uses them. We will not be silenced by a bunch of BLM and Antifa communist asshats. It's time we take back our America by any and all means necessary."

Inspired by Oltmann's charges, the lawsuit says, some Trump supporters have suggested that Coomer deserves to die. "If this man disenfranchised people of their votes," a Reddit commenter said in response to a post about Coomer that included his picture, "he deserves worse than life in prison." Another commenter called the photo of Coomer "a good mug for USA's Top 10 Terrorist list," adding, "Wanted DEAD or ALIVE." Another aggrieved Trump supporter declared, "This man will be dead within 2 weeks."

Some Trump fans were more direct. Coomer "began to receive threatening text messages from unknown out-of-state numbers sent directly to his cell phone in Colorado," the complaint says. Among them:

"We are already watching you. Come clean and you will live."

"What is the penalty for TREASON?"

"FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA. Does that chant sound familiar. PB [Proud Boys, presumably] have you and there is nowhere you can run."

"RUN."

Powell and Giuliani have helped stir up this vitriol. During a bizarre November 19 press conference, Powell claimed that Coomer—whom she tied to Smartmatic, a different company that also figures in the baroque conspiracy she blames for Trump's defeat—"is on the web as being recorded in a conversation with antifa members, saying that he had the election rigged for Mr. Biden, nothing to worry about here, and he was going to, they were going to f— Trump."

Speaking at the same press conference, Giuliani reinforced Powell's accusation, describing "the Coomer character" as "close to antifa" and "a vicious, vicious
man" who "wrote horrible things about the president." Giuliani was referring to criticism of Trump that Coomer says he posted on "a private Facebook page" that he "shared with approximately 300 friends." There is nothing illegal about criticizing the president, of course, and it hardly counts as evidence of antifa sympathies, let alone criminal activity aimed at stealing an election. Yet Giuliani conflated all three things.

"He specifically says that they are going to fix this election," Giuliani said. "I don't know what you need to wake up, to do your job, and inform the American people, whether you like it or not, of the things they need to know. This is real. It is not made up."

A good question, especially in the context of a defamation lawsuit, is how Giuliani knew the story implicating Coomer in Trump's defeat was "not made up." At the press conference and in a Newsmax interview the next day, Powell claimed the purported antifa conference call had been recorded. Yet Oltmann himself says that is not true. According to him, the supposed quotations he has used, which are rendered somewhat differently in various accounts of the conference call, reflect his rough recollection of what was said.

You might wonder why Oltmann didn't record the call, which would have been perfectly legal in Colorado. You might wonder why Oltmann can't seem to recall exactly when this momentous event occurred, saying only that it happened in late September or early October. You might wonder how Oltmann knew that "Dominion" was Dominion Voting Systems or that "Eric" was Eric Coomer. You might wonder why Oltmann, who presents this alleged conversation as crucial evidence of a secret plot to subvert the presidential election, did not bring it to anyone's attention until after Trump lost his bid for a second term. You might wonder whether someone involved in such a plot would talk about it openly before the election, just for the pleasure of bragging, or whether his confident assertion of Trump's defeat would, in real life, be followed by an evil laugh in the manner of a James Bond villain.

Powell and Giuliani did not wonder any of those things. Apparently, neither did The Gateway Pundit's James Hoft, Newmax's Howie Carr, OANN White House correspondent Chanel Rion, blogger Michelle Malkin, or radio host Eric Metaxas, all of whom amplified Oltmann's claims. Coomer's lawsuit names Hoft, Newsmax, OANN, Rion, Malkin, and Metaxas as defendants, along with Oltmann, Powell, Giuliani, and the Trump campaign.

Coomer, who says the promotion of Oltmann's allegations caused "harm to his reputation, emotional distress, stress, anxiety, lost earnings, and other pecuniary loss," is seeking an injunction ordering the defendants to cut it out. He also wants them to retract their statements, which he says have no basis in fact. And he asks for "actual and special damages against Defendants in an amount to be proven at trial."

Although Coomer was not well-known until Oltmann and other Trump supporters started accusing him of treasonous election fraud, he argues that the defendants' actions would in any case meet the standard for defamation lawsuits involving public figures:

Defendants published these statements with actual malice. Defendants knew or had reason to know that these statements were false and published their statements with knowledge or reckless disregard of their falsity. Defendants failed to contact and question obvious available sources for corroboration; disregarded reliable sources refuting their claims; had no credible bases for the false allegations made; fabricated specific allegations; treated speculation and innuendo as evidence; and published their allegations in a manner calculated to create a false inference. Their allegations were inherently improbable, derived from unreliable sources, and unsupported by evidence. Defendants preconceived a conspiracy and then set out to establish that conspiracy to further their own ends.

One issue raised by Coomer's lawsuit is whether Giuliani and Powell are shielded by the litigation privilege that applies to statements made by lawyers in the course of legal proceedings. "The litigation privilege doesn't cover all out-of-court statements," says UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh, a First Amendment specialist, although "in many states the fair report privilege does cover lawyers' public discussion of claims made in their lawsuits." The extent of that privilege varies from state to state, Volokh says, and it is not yet clear which state's standard would apply to Coomer's lawsuit, since "this whole 'choice of law' question is itself quite complicated."

Dominion itself has demanded a retraction from Powell and threatened to sue her if one is not forthcoming. Michigan attorney Jonathan Schwartz, who specializes in First Amendment and media law, suggests that Powell and Giuliani have reason to be worried.

While an attorney who makes defamatory statements in the context of litigation is protected from civil liability, Schwartz told Law & Crime, "a lawyer who makes false allegations which are harmful to another party outside the courtroom, especially a business, is facing a different situation entirely, even if there is an ongoing case. Lawsuits can absolutely be filed against attorneys for defamatory statements made in press conferences and media appearances, or even for sending a copy of a frivolous complaint to a non-party. If Smartmatic and Dominion can show damages stemming from defamatory comments made by opposing attorneys outside of formal litigation, there is significant potential exposure, ranging from defamation to interference with business claims."

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  2. Coomer “began to receive threatening text messages from unknown out-of-state numbers sent directly to his cell phone in Colorado,” the complaint says. Among them:

    “We are already watching you. Come clean and you will live.”

    “What is the penalty for TREASON?”

    “FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA, FUCK ANTIFA. Does that chant sound familiar. PB [Proud Boys, presumably] have you and there is nowhere you can run.”

    “RUN.”

    How did posters on these here comments get his phone number?

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    2. BTW sweetie. It is essentially half of the US, including 30% of democrats, who believe there was fraud. So please continue to not thread shit because you would never do that.

      1. It is essentially half of the US, including 30% of democrats, who believe there was fraud.

        So people believe stupid shit. So what. Is that a substitute for proof?

        1. So people believe stupid shit.

          Yeah, some people are so gullible that they believe that there was no significant fraud in this election, instead of asking the question that sane, rational people ask: was there enough fraud to change the outcome.

          So what. Is that a substitute for proof?

          There is plenty of evidence. We never had an opportunity to determine whether that evidence was proof because courts rejected lawsuits based on formalities like standing.

          1. rational people ask: was there enough fraud to change the outcome.

            Rational people might also ask: would a thousand here and a thousand there change the outcome, being that a million is a thousand thousands, and Trump lost by several million?

            Rational people might also ask: how many people would need to be involved in this level of fraud, and why aren’t there any credible whistleblowers?

            Rational people might also ask: is there any proof that would sway those who claim fraud that there wasn’t fraud, as in are they using an innocent until proven guilty standard?

            Yeah, there are lots of questions that rational people might ask.

            1. “and Trump lost by several million?”

              Hey look the drunk idiot sarc thinks it’s a popular vote contest ahahahaahahahhaahah

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            2. Rational people might also ask: would a thousand here and a thousand there change the outcome, being that a million is a thousand thousands, and Trump lost by several million?

              It would take only about 46000 votes to flip the outcome of the election.

              Rational people might also ask: how many people would need to be involved in this level of fraud,

              A handful of people.

              and why aren’t there any credible whistleblowers?

              They didn’t need to coordinate; just a handful of individuals with motive and opportunity were sufficient.

              Rational people might also ask: is there any proof that would sway those who claim fraud that there wasn’t fraud, as in are they using an innocent until proven guilty standard?

              “Innocent until proven guilty” applies to individual convictions. For elections, we are being asked to give up some of our liberties by accepting the outcome of elections; therefore, the standard ought to be “presumed fraudulent unless officials can show full audit logs, validation of voter identities, chain of custody, and compliance with the law”.

              Yeah, there are lots of questions that rational people might ask.

              You’re asking the right questions!

              1. therefore, the standard ought to be “presumed fraudulent unless officials can show full audit logs, validation of voter identities, chain of custody, and compliance with the law until you get the result you want”.

                There. I made it honest for you.

                1. Are you sure it wasn’t Tulpa who made it honest?

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                2. The standard I stated is rational, and I have been consistent about it for decades, regardless of who won/lost.

                  But instead of engaging in a rational argument, all you can do is attribute partisan motives to others and abuse them.

                  And you seriously wonder why people despise you.

                  1. Hey! Stop y’all’s fighting!

                    HERE is an uplifting message that may help out!

                    A Trumpsmas Message of Hope, Peace, and Joy

                    In these times of divisive troubles, we all need a little unifying Lift, yes? So I present to you, a Timeless, Empowering Story of Trumpsmas Joy!

                    And it came to pass, that The Lord Trump descended from the penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago. He ascended the flag-draped speaker’s podium, and had an acolyte apply some touch-up bronzer. He ascended the Mount of Olives, and of Pineapples, and of Anchovies. Then He spake unto the assembled mass of 5 million:

                    “I come unto ye to bring messages of Joy and Peace! Do NOT be confused by the lamestream media, nor by the Demon-rats, who speak of many strange wonders! They speak of many YUUGE lies, and of half-truths! Some say that I am the Son of God! Some say that I am the Son of Man! Some say that I am the Great White Father! Or the Great Pumpkin! Or the Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Father! But I am none of those things! I come to be before you, as an Humble Man, with MUCH bigness to my humbleness… You may simply call me the Chosen One! Even the lamestream media knows this! https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-49429661 The American voters, the REAL, legitimate voters… The NON-Demon-rat ones, have overwhelmingly chosen MEEE! THAT is why I am the Chosen One!”

                    He paused, momentarily, there on the top of the Mount of Olives, and of Pineapples, and of Anchovies, as thunderous applause deafened everyone for miles around. He tried to wave down the crowd, for silence. But in their jubilation, the crowd spontaneously broke out into a chant! “Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem”, they chanted, over and over, and yet over, again! Sensing their spiritual and bodily hungers, The Lord Trump discreetly ordered a single, solitary pizza and a basket full of anchovies, which arrived nearly instantly. Then The Lord Trump broke off pieces of pizza, and dished out the anchovies, which somehow managed to feed the crowd of five million!

                    With their hunger now sated, The Lord Trump was finally able to calm the masses, and silence their cheering, so that He could, once again, be heard. The Lord Trump spake once again, saying unto them, “Behold, now begins a time of troubles! The Dark Lord has bin bidin’ his time, which has now come! I will be swallowed up by the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, for 4 years of dark nights and troubled days, and I know, you will miss Me terribly! But then the Boulder of Voter Fraud will mysteriously be shoved aside, and I will emerge once more! Trust bigly in Me, but bigly JUST in Me!!!”

                    The Lord Trump waited for a long time, for the applause to die down, and then continued, “While I am gone, the Faithful shall honor Me on the last Thursday of each November, giving Thanks that I have shown Good Americans The Truth and The Way. You shall slay the Great Pumpkin, and eat of the Pumpkin Pie, saying, ‘This is the Body of The Lord Trump. Eat it with Joy and Gladness’. Then ye shall drink of the cranberry juice, saying. ‘This is the Blood of The Lord Trump. Drink it with Anticipation of the Defeat of the Forces of Evil, and of the Demon-rats’. This, do in honor of MEEE!”

                    The applause was overwhelming and unstoppable, so The Lord Trump escaped in His Helicopter, to the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, leaving the crowd to festering in the gathering stormy weather. There were no busses provided for the crowds, but that was OK by them, for they were full of Great Trumpsmas Joy!

                    1. It’s Christmas Eve Sqrlsy, get off that computer and go talk to your mother.
                      And for pete’s sake leave the litterbox alone or I’m getting rid of that cat.

                3. Are you suggesting that votes should not have an auditable record of validity?

                  Comrades Xi and Putin agree.

                  1. How else can you make sure you get the votes you demanded?

                  2. Xi and Putin are having a huge party right now reading the news coming out of the US. Not in their wildest dreams could they have caused as much damage as these baseless allegations have to our democracy and political process.

              2. I highly doubt any of you guys screaming “Fraud!” would be so adamant about this had Trump won. It’s not about fraud. It’s about not liking the result.

                1. I highly doubt any of you guys screaming “Fraud!” would be so adamant about this had Trump won. It’s not about fraud. It’s about not liking the result.

                  I have been consistent about the need for better election security for decades, regardless of who won or lost. (I might add that Trump also wanted to investigate election integrity after 2016 despite winning.)

                  But all you can do is attribute partisan motives to others. You are a dishonest debater and a despicable human being, Sarcasmic. But then you knew that already.

                  1. tRump wanted to investigate because he thought he deserved to win the popular vote as well.

                  2. why dont you link us to a previous comment about this. looking forward to a peep about this from you

                    this is nothing more than a thin, transparently veiled attempt to question results you dont like because your guy lost. not a single fucking peep of election reform, fraud (other than the 3 million illegals that lost trump the pop vote), election machines, election software, or standardizing the process in any way, from any fucking one of you losers.

                    until you lost. then it was full retard MASSIVE FRAUD! WE HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR ELECTION REFORM FOR YEARS!!!!

                    everyone sees through you and the other cultists bullshit. lets see it, lets a link to a comment with you calling for election security in your decades of calling for it

                    fucking losers dont know when their ship is fully sunk it seems.

                    1. this is nothing more than a thin, transparently veiled attempt to question results you dont like because your guy lost.

                      There is nothing “thinly veiled” about it; it’s crystal clear that the left has been trying to erode election security and destroy free and fair elections for decades in the US. It’s one of the primary ways in which socialists and progressives destroy liberal democracies.

                2. “I highly doubt”

                  Right but you’re a drunk liar.

                3. So explain exactly what the people in the Georgia video were doing and please provide evidence of your explanation.

                  1. I’m soooo sorry that your Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Father has been CHEATED out of His Office by evil Demoncrats! I suggest that you might be able to retreat to your safe space… I hear they have laid in a large supply of Teddy Bears. Maybe one of the Teddy Bears will agree to lay with you, and snuggle your wuggle for a while! There, there!

                    In a mere few more years, as you are still jonesing for Great White Father, I bet you could persuade Alex Jones to be your Next Savior! Slogan: Jonesing for Jones!

                    1. Now answer my question.

                4. If everything were reversed (the weird dumps, the found votes, the media blocking news of Don Jr bullshit, etc etc.) I, and I’d wager most other people here, would still be calling this a bullshit election.

                  But yeah, it’s totally cause everyone that thinks there were significant shenanigans is a secret Republican.

          2. Standing is not a formality. Standing is one way the courts filter bullshit.
            Political questions almost never have standing. Just because your upset, doesn’t mean you have standing.

            “irregularities” is not evidence of fraud.
            The only evidence that will work if someone goes through the list of names and prooves they were votes for Biden.
            Signature verification is a dead end unless you can prove the votes were cast in an un-intended way.
            Remember, as you Republicans like to point out, presidential elections are not about popular vote, they are about electing electors. You must show that the wrong electors were voted in.

            It also doesn’t help that the BS about voting machines makes it into all the latest lawsuits. Georgia did a hand count, no changes in outcome. I can tell you 1000 reasons why the machine avenue will not work, but the Georgia one should give you the most pause.

            Your best bet is the lists. Take the list, sue the individuals that are on the list (double voters, dead, out of state) and once you have established that they illegally voted you can force them to tell you who they voted for. Find enough illegal votes for Biden and you have your case.
            Listing 1000s of unverifiable people is not going to cut it.

            So far, the only fraud cases have been Republicans…. so good luck with that.

            1. How can you sue the dead, let alone make them talk?

      2. Discovery might well be quite the hoot.

        1. I would love to be a part of writing up the discovery. So much fun. Here’s election fraud 101 written when the left actually cared about election fraud but drawing a straight line between Dominion and Smartmatic and Soros and all the good things about Venezuelan elections: https://jennycohn1.medium.com/americas-electronic-voting-system-is-corrupted-to-the-core-1f55f34f346e

          1. OF NOTE: This author has re-written this piece since I first read it on November 20. You can guess what she has changed without me explaining it.

            1. Hopefully someone archived the original.

      3. Oh now you like polls?

        What about the polls showing Trump never once broke 50% approval, which is a record?

        1. What about polls showing that over 95% of all media coverage of Trump was negative, which is a record?

          1. Poor widdle pwesident can’t handle a widdle bad pwess.

            1. Lol. Not a great comeback. Most people are so stupid they think Trump colluded with the Russians and have no idea Hillary and Obama paid for a real Russian spy to spy on him at Trump Tower before he was elected. He handled the bad pwess just fine, by winning the Presidency for a second time by a landslide and creating a red wave with it.

              1. There are reports on this with actual testimonies and documentary evidence. I suggest you read them, and not the right wing blog trash you’ve obviously been filter fed through.

                1. Like the reports of 1000s of people with “actual testimonies” and “documentary evidence” showing election fraud? Lmk know where the actual testimonies of Russian collusion are…..because Comey said it didn’t exist….
                  https://hereistheevidence.com

              2. Oh, I did not even read your whole comment before replying. You are full on nuts. Goodbye.

                1. run away now

                2. Full on nuts. That’s a compliment coming from someone who typed “widdle” and is an adult.

                  1. There is no proof that Dee is an adult, or at least has an adults brain.

            2. “couple times a month”

      4. Yup. Lefties Memoryholed #2016ElectionFraud

    3. How did posters on these here comments get his phone number?

      I’m not aware of people here actually making any threats.

      Even against a–holes like you and Tony.

      1. There is no proof that they didn’t, and by the logic employed by those promoting election fraud, that right there is proof that they did.

        1. There’s no proof you have engaged your brain skreech. We can see your idiocy every time you post.

        2. “There is no proof that they didn’t”

          what sarc resorts tocwhwn caught lying

          ” by the logic employed by those promoting election fraud”

          By your logic you don’t get to whine like you are because the threats you admitted you lied about and don’t exist were against other people

        3. Looks like sarc has reached the pointing-and-screeching level of body snatcher assimilation

        4. There is no proof that they didn’t,

          I didn’t say that there was or wasn’t proof. I said that I was not aware of anybody making any threats. You’re welcome to show threats; a hyperlink would suffice.

          and by the logic employed by those promoting election fraud, that right there is proof that they did

          Different statements and contexts have different standards of proof.

          For example, for criminal convictions, we need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. For civil disputes, it’s the preponderance of the evidence.

          For elections/debts, the burden of proof is on the government/creditor that they are entitled to the powers/money they demand I give up.

      2. What a lying sack of shit you are. Commenters here have been making personal threats against others here – and others not here – for YEARS now.

        ‘Woodchipper’ or its variant is not about doing yardwork. And the partisan hacks have made those threats perpetual not just changing a name.

        There’s no penalty for that stuff. But it is one reason that no one reading these comments will ever be sold on any real-world version of ‘libertarian’. A more repugnant group of people would be impossible to gather in one place outside a cesspool.

        1. ‘Woodchipper’ or its variant is not about doing yardwork.

          It’s also not a threat.

          What a lying sack of shit you are.

          What a nasty p.o.s. you are.

        2. But it is one reason that no one reading these comments will ever be sold on any real-world version of ‘libertarian’. A more repugnant group of people would be impossible to gather in one place outside a cesspool.

          Yes, and people like you, JFree, and sarcasmic, are prime example of the people responsible for making this such a nasty place.

          (I’d include SQRLSY in that, but he is clearly mentally ill; I don’t think you have that excuse.)

          1. Yes, and people like you, JFree, and sarcasmic, are prime example of the people responsible for making this such a nasty place.

            A dozen people pile hate on us everyday for being libertarians on a forum for a libertarian magazine, and that makes us responsible for making this a nasty place? Seriously?

            1. People pile hate on you because of your atrocious conduct towards other people. You reap what you sow.

              1. You don’t apparently understand the difference between insults and threats. Which puts you in the same mental bucket as an angry drunk on a Saturday night.

                1. “angry drunk on a Saturday night.”

                  Leave sarcasmic out of this.

                  1. q.e.d.

                    1. Awww you’re mad you got made fun of sarc.

                2. You don’t apparently understand the difference between insults and threats.

                  Sarcasmic was complaining about insults (“A dozen people pile hate on us everyday”), and I responded to his statement about insults.

                  I think the problem is rather that you don’t understand the difference between insults and threats; given that both Sarcasmic and you are anonymous on this forum, it’s impossible to issue actual threats against you here on Reason.

                  People are just expressing their frustration with Sarcasmic and you because your conduct is despicable.

                  1. No people are NOT expressing frustration with anything. My ‘conduct’ is limited to posting opinions (and sometimes even mere facts) that you and your moronic R’s don’t like.

                    I repeat – commenters here do not understand the difference between insults and threats. I am very aware that my posts are anonymous and will remain so. But the difference between an insult and a threat becomes very clear if there is ever a risk that the wall of anonymity falls.

                    1. No people are NOT expressing frustration with anything. My ‘conduct’ is limited to posting opinions (and sometimes even mere facts) that you and your moronic R’s don’t like.

                      No, your conduct isn’t limited to “posting opinions”; instead, you misrepresent yourself and others, you goad people, and you are refusing to engage in rational debate. You just did it again. Your conduct is despicable, and that’s why people are rude to you.

                      And you have yet to demonstrate to any actual, credible threats against you. All that I have ever seen is insults and invective, both of which you deserve.

                    2. Fucking crybaby.

                    3. @NOYBaby2

                    4. Pretty gutsy calling NOYB2 a crybaby when you spent the last four years shitting yourself, Jeff.

            2. “A dozen people pile hate on us everyday for being libertarian”

              There’s nothing libertarian about the bootlicking authoritarianism you’ve been shilling for. You think people conspiring to silence the constitutionally protected speech of others is A-Okay, as long as they’re not a elected official.
              For you libertarianism is merely a way of announcing that you’re totally cool with the way that sex and drugs works for the American upper-middle class elite.

              1. There’s nothing libertarian about the bootlicking authoritarianism you’ve been shilling for.

                You mean when my not saying things meant people like you could fill in the blanks with your imagination?

                You think people conspiring to silence the constitutionally protected speech of others is A-Okay, as long as they’re not a elected official.

                Did anyone put a gun to your head and make you use Facebook and Twitter?

                For you libertarianism is merely a way of announcing that you’re totally cool with the way that sex and drugs works for the American upper-middle class elite.

                I don’t even know what that means.

                1. ” don’t even know what that means.”

                  well yeah, you’re stupid

                2. You mean when my not saying things meant people like you could fill in the blanks with your imagination?

                  Attributing partisan motives and insulting people is what you do; you are projecting.

                  And ML is right: you are not a libertarian; from your postings, you’re somewhere between a utopian communist and a run of the mill progressive.

                3. By your fruits we shall know you, sarcasmic.

            3. “pile hate on us everyday for being libertarians”

              Lol this pathetic victim act of yours is hilarious

              “for being libertatians” lolol

              1. Says the “freedom lover” who want Government Almighty to FORCE people to buy hardcopy Reason magazine! To FIX the results of the fascist policies of damiskec!

                Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to prohibit these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!

                So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!

                “Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
                Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damiskesc)
                (Etc.)
                See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/#comments

          2. I could make a comment about the weather and ten people will call me a drunk piece of shit who fucks his own daughter. Yet I’m responsible for the nastiness?

            1. I love your incessant “I’m the victim here!” act.

              1. Unreason does that. They are the propaganda victim in all this.

            2. At this point, that’s probably true. What do you expect after insulting and abusing people for so long?

              1. I guess it doesn’t matter. For who-knows-how-long Tulpa or someone was using my name (probably with a leading or trailing space) on the weekends. Being that this is usually a diversion while I’m at work, I wasn’t aware until I popped onto a thread and saw my name being used to be a total dick to everyone. I managed to get Reason to fix the problem, but the damage is done. I’m sure you don’t believe me because people believe what they want to believe. Whatever. Think what you want.

                1. “For who-knows-how-long Tulpa or someone was using my name”

                  No one believes this bullshit.

                  1. Right that was when he was trying to lie about rarely posting on weekends.

                    1. I’m sorry Tulpa was so mean to you.

                    2. Tulpa turned down sarcasmic’s clumsy sexual advances and ever since sarcasmic has been embarassing himself trying to blame his own past stupidity on Tulpa.

                      No one buys it because we see sarcasmic is a liar, daily.

                    3. sarcasmic is a liar, daily.

                      “I rarely post on weekends if you see me posting on the weekend it isn’t me” – sarcasmic, lying and probably drunk

                    4. damiskec
                      December.24.2020 at 3:49 pm
                      Right that was when he was trying to lie about rarely posting on weekends.

                      sarcasmic
                      December.24.2020 at 3:51 pm
                      I’m sorry Tulpa was so mean to you

                      You’ll notice sarcasmic and his desperation to distract from his being caught in a lie.

                    5. Fuck off all 12 of Tulpa’s socks. Fucking loser

                    6. Awww you’re really mad sarcasmic

                  2. “No one believes this bullshit.”

                    Fuck off, Tulpa

                    1. Piss off, Jeff.

                    2. Peace on Earth, Goodwill to Men!

                2. I’m sure you don’t believe me because people believe what they want to believe.

                  The reason people don’t believe you and the reason people despise you is because you fail to engage in rational arguments and attribute the worst possible motives to people who hold different opinions from you. You’re a despicable human being, that’s all there’s to it.

                3. sarcasmic
                  December.24.2020 at 3:42 pm
                  blah blah blah self serving lies pathetically attempting to soft peddle my own shitty behavior blah blah I’m sure you don’t believe me because people believe what they want to believe.

                  sarcasmic
                  December.24.2020 at 4:25 pm
                  I highly doubt any of you guys screaming “Fraud!” would be so adamant about this had Trump won. It’s not about fraud. It’s about not liking the result

                  lol

            3. Yet I’m responsible for the nastiness?

              Have you not crowed about posting largely sarcastic mockery?

              Yes. So yes. You are.

              1. There is a big difference between sarcastic mockery and nastiness.

                1. Is anyone surprised you excuse your own abuse.

                  1. So comparing Trump’s populism to populism on the left is equivalent to calling someone an incestuous drunk?

                    1. When you do it by chidish sarcastic mockery?

                      Yes.

                    2. That says more about you than about me.

                    3. So comparing Trump’s

                      You were a dick for years
                      before Tulpa made his first post and when Trump was still failing as a developer.

                      Cut the shit.

                    4. “That says more about you than about me.”

                      You think “both are examples of douchebaggery” is worse than “nuh Uhhhhh!! THEY ARE BEING JERKS NOT MEEEEE!!” is a solid retort.

                      My point proven.

                  2. Nope. He’s a drunk and an abuser. His abusing is different you see because it’s him.

                    1. I’m an abuser now? Wow, not even my cunt of an ex accused me of that.

                    2. Probably because it was widely known .

                      Fuck you attacked a guy IN THIS THREAD for civilly disagreeing with you.

                    3. not even my cunt of an ex

                      It looks like you finally get that no one believes you when you claim you were making things up about your divorce.

                    4. “I’m an abuser now?… my cunt of an ex”

                      facepalm.jpg

                    5. Sarcasmic abused his kids and his wife, so they left him.

                      He now abuses liberty and common sense.

                      Sarcasmic wants America to burn and hopefully anarchy-land will rise from the ashes. These people are just evil. Thank god the6 out themselves before they ever get near the nuclear button.

                    6. Peace on Earth, Goodwill to Men!

                2. “There is a big difference between sarcastic mockery and nastiness.”

                  I bet this is why your wife dumped you. You think your shitty abusive behavior is different and justified.

                  “That says more about you than about me.”

                  And then when called on it you continue abusing.

                  1. Fuck off Tulpa

                    1. Piss off, Jeff.

                3. There is a big difference between sarcastic mockery and nastiness.

                  Yes, and you keep coming down squarely on the side of nastiness and dishonesty.

          3. “Yes, and people like you, JFree, and sarcasmic, are prime example of the people responsible for making this such a nasty place.”
            No it’s small minded assholes like you and your girlfriends that have turned this place into a sewer. Fuck. Off.

            1. Peace on Earth, Goodwill to Men!

            2. Hey look sarcasmic is whining again!

    4. Read the comments on any story about Trump or Republicans in the Washington Post and see how many people demand that they be jailed or executed for treason.

      1. Yeah, I did a spit-take when I read this guy’s name too.

        A first I thought someone had been rusing Sullum again.

  3. I don’t get paid crap for sitting at home and I’m good with that…lol

    Got in before the bots

    1. Late.

  4. Weird how sullum complete ignores the lefts own election conspiracy. Almost like it only matters one way.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/leftists_accuse_mitch_mcconnell_of_election_fraud.html

    The fact remains that many unanswered questions remain of the election. This is largely because virtually every attempt to request an audit has been rebuffed.

    An honest libertarian outlet would point out the issues of using courts to change election laws against the electors clause. They would point out the problems with universal mail in ballots that even the NYT pointed out in 2012. They would not the absolute cluster fuck during the primaries of 20% ballot rejection rates magically lower down to nead zero (average about 3% historically). They would not and ask for investigations into nursing homes such as on Beaver County where all residents requested, filled out, abd returned ballots in a single day, with many residents not being of sound mind to do so. They would follow the Voter Integrity Project and their sampling of mail in ballots by calling voters to see if they applied/voted and then note the not insignificant percentage who show as voting but saying they didn’t. They would ask why Georgia has not even charged 1 of the 1500 people who voted twice during the election, once by mail and once in person or how they could fix it. They would ask why voting stopped. They would ask about the high error rate in tabulation in he one audit we have. They would note and ask how thousands of votes were found, some switched and some on missing memory cards (why do the memory cards only hold 10k votes anyways? Ripe for abuse).

    But there is no interest here in election integrity. There is no interest here on investigating why 2 different democrats are pursuing a vague law to have the House turn over the result of 2 House races. No discussion on the lawsuits in NY that keep nibbling away at a GOP lead.

    Nothing.

    Just pure sir down, shut up, trust the democratic vote counters.

    Sullum… GFY.

    1. I just wonder if Sullum is ever gonna get over his what I would call Trump PTSD. He seems so eager to back anything hating on Trump related when he should really be concerned about what the Left in America what like to implement if they have their way. Speech controls, more gun control or attempts to eliminate gun ownership and like you mentioned the apparent complete disdain for following laws especially ones that deal with our election processes. I don’t know, maybe hell just go along for the ride when the left crushes everything to do with freedom. Reason could become the new state newspaper.

    2. How’s your buddy Aleck Jones doing these days?

      1. How many times are you going to fuck up a four letter name lololol

        A-L-E-X

        1. I do that on purpose, smart aleck.

          1. and on weekends it’s Tulpa not you

      2. Alex Jones rocks.

        1. Sarcasmic and the unreason apologists hate any dissenting voices and then letting Americans decide for themselves.

          unreason likes the idea of gatekeepers. How dare those rable think they can question authorities, then investigate, and provide supported news points to discuss.

        2. If by that you mean batshit insane, then I agree.

          1. You don’t even know his name lololol

            1. Sarcasmic unreason apologist has wet brain. They sed to call it that.

              Now its just Lefty delusion along with pot addled brain syndrome.

          2. Considering that you don’t even know his name, it’s clear you’ve never listened to him.

            I don’t agree with everything said on Info Wars, but in general a lot of what he gets vilified for turns out to be true, and he’s the first one to nail a lot of things.

        3. In this deposition, Jones acknowledged the deaths were real, stating he had “almost like a form of psychosis”, where he “basically thought everything was staged. — — In reference to A. Jones’s fervently-stated beliefs about the Sandy Hook shootings.

          Jones’s credibility is nonexistent. When he has to defend his wacky conspiracy theories in court, he can’t. What is wrong with people who continue to believe him?

          1. The comment software deleted the link in my post, but one can start learning about Jones’s unreliability by reading the “Litigation” section of the Wikipedia article about him.

          2. “What is wrong with people who continue to believe him?”

            People continue to believe him because it pisses you off. Besides, Jones is way more credible than CNNLOL, NBC, Reason, and others. He’s been wrong less often than any of those outlets.

    3. An honest libertarian might notice that mitch mcconell has had 3 election security bills languishing on his desk. He might wonder why that is. He might look at the language in the bills, and discover they contain provisions requiring campaigns to disclose foreign attempts in illegal aid, among other things. This honest libertarian might reasonably conclude that mitch mcconell and the GOP in general are not actually interested in secure elections, but in increasing their already generous electoral handicap.

      This honest libertarian might also notice that the dominion voting machines were selected by the GOP in Georgia and elsewhere. He might also notice that dominion systems generate a paper trail, unlike other voting machines selected in some states where republicans down ticket received a double digit swing over polling and previous elections.

      1. OMG not one but three bills? Why that government security shit works so well.

        Really dumbass you’re no libertarian.

        1. Law is how you constrain or require the government to do something, dumb ass.

          1. No, it’s how stupid gullible people THINK they do that.

            The way you ACTUALLY do it is get rid of government.

            It’s fun to watch you totally fail basic libertarianism.

          2. Law is how you constrain or require the government to do something

            Aahahahahahahahahahahaahhaahhaa

            ahahahahhahaahhaahhaahahhahahahahah

            ahajjaajahahhaahahahahahahah

            /laughing at you

          3. Law is something that government just makes up as it goes along. It doesn’t really have any consistent, objective meaning.

      2. “An honest libertarian might notice that mitch mcconell has had 3 election security bills”

        An honest libertarian would laugh at you for thinking the answer is more laws

        1. So the election was a total fraud, but we don’t need to correct that with law. just trust in Trump, i guess? You guys are not being logical. You don’t seem to know how the world works, frankly.

          So let’s break it down basic barney style:

          Trump lost the election.

          The election was secure.

          Trump also lost 60 plus court cases on the matter, and not just lost, but laughed out of court.

          Trump has a long history of fraud, as proven in court several times.

          You guys are dupes being soaked for the latest Trump scam.

          1. TOP MEN!!!

            MORE LAWS!!!

            1. much Libertarian!

              1. Other major systems in the gov were hacked, must be by the Russkis, again, proof be damned, but the election, secure as fuck. Spring-loaded for Russia, except when they’re not, and other people are dupes.

          2. The election was secure.

            In what sense was it “secure”?

            Clearly, the election procedures and processes were not secure: the chain of custody was broken widely, signatures were not verified properly, counting was not witnessed in a meaningful way, large numbers of ballots cannot be audited or recounted, and software used was insecure, buggy, and could be easily manipulated.

            If you claim that the election “was secure”, where is your evidence?

            You guys are dupes being soaked for the latest Trump scam.

            Trump claimed that there was massive fraud in the 2016 election, so this is not a new claim. Democrats claimed that there was going to be massive fraud in 2020, just until they won.

            But that’s not the point even. Since 2000, we have seen that there are massive problems with election procedures in the US. You have to be rather gullible not to see that.

          3. “You guys”

            You look super desperate when you attack a person for something they didn’t say just because they pointed out that you’re not a libertarian and people laugh at you when you pretend to be.

            1. What is he going to say?

              “You’re right”? I am. He knows it. It’s why he attacks me for random nonsense that he fabricated.

    4. Merry Christmas, JesseAz! May the holiday season being you and yours joy and the blessings of good will toward your fellow man!

    5. Notice that unreason wont give Trump credit for vetoing the spending bill and Congress Republicans not challenging Trump’s veto?

      Looks like no spending until Jan 3, 2021 and federal government shutdown…again. HAHAHA.

      1. Merry Christmas to you, too, loveconstitution1789!

        1. Its a great Christmas. trump won a second term as president, biden thinks he won the election, congress spending insanity got fucked up by trump, harris is being replaced in the US senate, GoP got within 3 House seats of a majority, and biden EC votes are successfully being challenged by a joint session of congress on Jan 6, 2021.

          Plus, Georgia is reelecting two GOP US senators.

          2020 has been a great year. Lefties have outed themselves as tyrants and are being shut down.

          1. Also unreason staffers as commies this year. I thought they might be socialists but they are all unequivocally commies. Trump is the best president in us history by being able to so upset these mask pussies so much that they publicly out themselves.

            Their propaganda just is ignored now. Except by their unreason bots and unreason apologists. Its hilarious.

            1. Koch has to realize that his lie that he is a libertarian fell flat.

              We called it that he is a globalist commie.

              Zuckerberg.
              Twatter ceo.
              Google ceo and owners
              Walmarts ceo and owners.
              Ford ceo.
              Chevy
              Hollywood ceos.
              Airline ceos.

              They are all fascist little crony capitalists and we all know it now. They all want bailouts because they fucked up and lost in the gamble for “Social justice”.

              The constitution and silent majority strike again!

              1. You’re about the dumbest sonofabitch that ever wandered in here.

                1. Cry more sarcasmic.

  5. Eric Coomer says the claim that he bragged about fixing the election during an “antifa conference call” provoked a torrent of abuse and death threats.

    It doesn’t really matter whether Dominion deliberately sabotaged the election or was merely incompetent, and it doesn’t matter whether their software changed the outcome of the election or not.

    It’s a fact hat their software and hardware is unverifiable and full of security holes. The company treated our democracy like shit and enriched themselves by it. There should be serious legal consequences for the companies and its officers, including Coomer. There should also be serious legal consequences for the people whose signature is on the approval of these systems for elections, everywhere where it was approved. “An expert panel told me it was OK.” is not a valid excuse for either a bureaucrat or a politician.

    And going forward, voting and election software should be required to be open source, people should be able to challenge it in court, and it should be required to have a perfect audit trail, for modifications, deployment, and at runtime.

    1. “their software and hardware is unverifiable”

      For me, this is invalid election…FULL STOP.

      I was so shocked when I learned it’s even legal AT ALL to used closed source software to manage elections (not to mention why a Canadian company can manage US elections in any way).

      If it’s not OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE then it can’t be trusted. What the fuck kind of “trade secrets” would justify closed source software for something so simple as counting a bunch of checkboxes that people mark? Utterly irresponsible of our elected leaders to allow such a thing at all.

      1. In fact, it’s unclear to me why we need software at all.

        Voting should be required to be in person, using simple paper ballots in sealed containers, followed by manual counting and resealing.

        An individual can count about 100000 ballots for an election, meaning the number of poll workers we have is about sufficient for the number of voters we have for a completely manual count.

        If you really want to automate something, you could have a simple ballot counting machine that you use like a money counting machine, not connected to any network, and without further adjudication of “voter intent”.

        1. I totally agree. But another thing…why are ballot counters not on camera AT ALL TIMES? There should be publicly available recordings of every little election activity which would facilitate more accurate audits.

          1. I agree: all the counting should be fully video taped and published. So should the unsealing and resealing of every ballot box. Ballot boxes, seals, and ballots should have identifiable serial numbers.

            1. What’s especially crazy is the security measures we’re talking about are just really basic stuff that is standard in a lot of other high security scenarios (financial institutions). And I guess I was naive in assuming VERY BASIC security measures would also be used for ELECTIONS of all things.

              So the next question is why are liberals (and establishment R’s) so opposed to such basic security?

              1. why are liberals (and establishment R’s) so opposed to such basic security?

                Ooh, ooh, let me guess.

                Um…..they don’t want their tricks exposed??

    2. The lack of transparency in this election was galling

  6. Two things:
    1. (Sep. 1, 2016) — “On Friday, August 26th, during a meeting at the Illinois State Board of Elections, the Vice President of Engineering for Dominion Voting, Dr. Eric Coomer*, was asked if it was possible to bypass election systems software and go directly to the data tables that manage systems running elections in Illinois. His response was, “Yes, if they have access.”

    2. “Social media sleuths captured Coomer’s alleged Facebook posts before his social media accounts were scrubbed when the election controversy involving Dominion Voting machines and software broke. Dominion Voting machines and software were linked to a “glitch,” which caused roughly 6,000 Trump votes to be credited to Biden in a Michigan county and is used in many swing states.

    With so many questions swirling about Dominion Voting, there are clearly issues if the co-inventor and owner of that company might be connected to the Antifa (idea, myth, organization, way of life, terrorists…You choose).

    According to Oltmann, Coomer’s now-deleted Facebook posts include his sharing songs tilted “Dead Cops,” “Dead Prez,” and “ACAB.” One post of particular interest is a long “statement” from Antifa he shared in June in response to President Trump declaring Antifa a terrorist organization. Another post, allegedly captured before the page was scrubbed shows a clear bias towards the President and interestingly enough, refers to the then-presidential candidate as a fascist and tells anyone on his friends list to “unfriend me now” if they plan on voting for him.”

    So, let’s just get an archive of all Eric Coomer’s Facebook posts, tweets, emails, and phone records and then we can see if Oltmann made it all up, or if in fact where there is smoke, there’s fire.

    P.S. The Dominion exec who testified the machines don’t connect to the Internet: Anyone actually think that’s the truth?

    1. There is no reason to investigate Coomer’s background. His software helped deliver our salvation from LITERALLY Hitler. So, by default, he’s a saint.

      1. ^ Biggest cry babies in US history.

        1. “couple times a month”

          1. Here’s one now, bawling.

            1. I’m sorry your own words made you bawl.

              1. Fuck off tulpa

                1. Piss off, Jeff.

            2. Kind of ironic coming from a guy who just threw a four year temper tantrum.

              1. Merry Christmas, Mother’s Lament, you ol’ son of a gun. Hope you have a good one!

                1. Merry Christmas to you to WK. Peace on earth and goodwill to all men.

  7. He said all the things you would expect a guilty guy to say.

    1. This whole Lefty plan to steal the US election and prevent fair elections and transparent elections ever again depended on Trump conceding and Republicans giving in to Democrats.

      Looks like Spending bill that Trump vetoed wont be resolved before Congress reconvenes Jan 3. Republicans do not appear to be challenging Trump’s veto. Democrats are so mad!

  8. After Donald Trump lost the presidential election,

    Poor unreason, they really believe that non-Lefty supported claims that democrats used election fraud and unconstitutional Executive official changes to election laws to steal election 2020.

    Voters dont have a constitutional right to choose the President. Electors do and the state legislatures pick those. Once again Democrats are trying to prevent state legislatures from choosing electors.

    Jan 6, 2021 is gonna be hilarious to see Lefties lose.

  9. If some guy who hasn’t done anything wasn’t getting death threats, this would be hilarious.

    Why is it that it’s only the nutjobs that are able to infiltrate Antifa pot luck dinners and overhear things that unidentified people say – people who probably not who the nutjob thinks they are and who didn’t say what the nutjob thinks they said.?

    The bleating of a chucklehead like Oltmann is enough to start this shit. Amazing. I hope this dude sues them all bankrupt.

    1. It’s pathetic how consistently eager to get on the train you are

      1. Merry Christmas, Nardz! Hope you have a relaxing, joyous holiday!

      2. Guess you feel lucky that Brother Oltmann figured out the secret antifa code on his decoder ring. Otherwise how would he have conjured this up? I mean, the guy at this meeting (granting that it even occurred) almost certainly isn’t who Oltmann thinks he is, and even if he were that guy wouldn’t have been the guy to jockey with the code. But if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.

        I’m gonna hate the Biden years, but Trump got his ass kicked. If only he’d had more self control than a terrible two.

        Nice substance in that response btw.

    2. Coomer has done things. Lots of things. His lawsuit is pure publicity stunt, just like the Dominion/Smartmatic claims are. They are designed to make people think” Huh, must be lies. THEN WHY ARE THEY HIDING EVERYTHING that could clear them?

    3. Why is it that it’s only the nutjobs that are able to infiltrate Antifa pot luck dinners and overhear things that unidentified people say – people who probably not who the nutjob thinks they are and who didn’t say what the nutjob thinks they said.?

      I’m not sure why you’re so dismissive of the possibility. James O’Keefe was able to infiltrate a CNN conference call, and has actually gotten Dem political operatives on video explaining that they plan to cheat and how they’ll do it. Likewise, Antifa sends out their own operatives to infiltrate their enemies and learn their strategies. That’s how grey zone warfare is conducted.

      Coomer’s social media history isn’t all that different from anyone else in the tech industry, which is largely populated now by mentally ill, safety-obsessed radical leftists. If social media didn’t exist, he’d probably be less likely to act like such a partisan shitbird, but he knew those posts were going to call his credibility into question if this ever made it to court, so he scrubbed them.

      Now, does that mean that Coomer is the same guy bragging on that conference call? No, and Oltman did the same thing these radio guys have done for decades–take a story and run with it because it was so juicy. But if someone on that call WAS identified as being affiliated with Dominion, and is outright bragging that he’s going to fix the election because he thought he was among fellow travelers, then that’s still a problem.

      One thing that might actually come out of this, if it ever makes it to trial, is how secure these electronic voting systems are. There have been complaints about cybersecurity vulnerabilities in these things for a decade and a half, so it’s not like this is some new idea that these systems are aren’t hack-proof or subject to politically motivated data engineering.

      1. I agree the trial will be interesting if it gets there. A lot of the bs both ways will be dropped and actual facts will dominate.

        If it happens I just hope the media will cover it accurately. I don’t care if they’re fair, I just want accurate. I’d kind of like to know what the real truth is. I think I know but I’m open to changing given actual facts.

        1. I agree the trial will be interesting if it gets there. A lot of the bs both ways will be dropped and actual facts will dominate.

          I’d honestly love to see what comes out, especially in light of various alarms on electronic voting systems over the years.

      2. it’s not like this is some new idea that these systems are aren’t hack-proof or subject to politically motivated data engineering.

        No one has ever said that electronic voting systems (or for that matter paper-based ones) aren’t hack-proof. Anything that is centralized and/or connected/networked is particularly vulnerable – as are all vote tabulating systems that are based on floating point arithmetic.

        But a Sullum article link from a few days ago (re congressional testimony from a guy named Kemp? I think with CISA?) illustrated what R’s have done this year.

        Assume that the possible means of hacking have occurred merely because they are both possible and known to be possible by people who are trying to uncover those risks and (in theory) deal with them. Assume that the absence of evidence is proof of a conspiracy. Assume that the longer evidence remains absent, the bigger and more diabolical the conspiracy. And it doesn’t take long before said conspiracy can only be an outcome of the most evil possible conspiracy of all time. Which – whew – rationalizes a vote even if it was a ‘lesser evil’ vote.

        1. It is like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster. People see what they want to see. A jealous lover or suspicious business partner will eventually “find” evidence of what they are looking for.

  10. Sullum treats specific threats which are actionable against broad statements by the president and assumes they are related.

    This is why liberaltarians here are ridiculous. Somehow it’s always Trumps fault even if he had no knowledge. Their TDS is extreme even for them.

  11. R.I.P., Leslie West

    1. Aww Fuck.

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    Excellent work – MR. JACOB SULLUM

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  13. What’s true here is that Oltmann fabricated his claims, and that Newsmax, OANN, Malkin, et. al. knew they were fabricated. OANN in particular has a long sordid history of putting out their own and other parties’ fabrications. Whether these fabricators are protected by the 1st amendment is not the story.

    1. What’s true here is that Oltmann fabricated his claims, and that Newsmax, OANN, Malkin, et. al. knew they were fabricated.

      Quite the bold assertion there.

    2. Do it’s the same as the Russian dossier.

    3. Poor unreason never provides citations for their lies.

      1. You never provide citations for any of the stupid shit you say, so why you whining?

        1. Piss off, Jeff.

        2. Cry more sarcasmic.

  14. Eric Coomer eats ass. This guy and his co-conspirators committed felonies that will never be prosecuted. At least this election cycle has opened millions of peoples’ eyes to the hideous corruption embedded into our institutions. Fuck the poll workers, fuck the corrupt courts, fuck the vile swamp creatures that put this rotten system into place.

    1. Where were you in 2016 when the allegations of voter fraud happened then?

      Or was that different because YOUR guy won?

      1. Things 2016 lacked: $500 million in ground game cheating by Zuckerberg, tens of millions of mail in ballots with ZERO verification, a rejection rate of bad ballots of zero percent, video of people pulling ballots out from under tables after people were ordered to leave, Trump getting massive voter dumps in the middle of the night while Hillary got zero votes, Hillary being ahead in every swing state at midnight and losing them all as they counting dragged on for a week…should I go on?

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        2. Face it, you’re just upset your guy lost and searching for any possible excuse to claim it didn’t happen.

          During 2016, you were likely just telling Dems to “suck it up” and “go by the will of the people”. Well guess what? Now it’s your turn. And I will revel for Jan. 6 when Biden is officially made Prez.

          1. During 2016, you were likely just telling Dems to “suck it up” and “go by the will of the people”.

            That’s demonstrably false. Large numbers of people have called for improving election security nationwide since the 2000 elections. Trump himself tried to investigate election fraud after the 2016 election and it was Democrats who refused it.

            State Republican parties have dropped the ball on fixing this, and Democrats have been actively sabotaging election integrity for the past couple of decades.

            1. Yup. Democrats say election security to mean one-person no OD and count all ballots.

              Non-lefties want election security to mean one-person one-vote and count all legal ballots.

              Democrats used to hate popular vote in the North because it out popular voted the Confederate South. Democrats- a criminal syndicate and unreason endorses that.

          2. I can’t speak for anyone else here, but my “guy” loses every time.

          3. We didn’t have the same rules in 2016. Remember? They changed a lot of the rules at the last minute and then when even that wasn’t enough, states like PA started blatantly violating their own laws.

            Back in 2016 if I had know we are using close source, Canadian software, and poll workers are NOT heavily recorded at all times, I would have called for the same things to be resolved. But that’s not what the Democrats were complaining about back then.

      2. Where were you in 2016 when the allegations of voter fraud happened then? Or was that different because YOUR guy won?

        I can’t speak for him, but I can speak for myself: for decades I and many others have pointed out that US elections are not secure, not auditable, and prone to massive fraud. We have called for more secure voting procedures over and over again. Trump tried to investigate election fraud after the 2016 election as well. So, this has nothing to do with who won or who lost.

  15. Ok Sullum explain the Georgia video. The FBI hasn’t even questioned those people. Why aren’t they on CNN explaining their supposedly legal actions?

    1. Those democrats got caught violating Georgia law by conducting election official business without the public present. Who cares if they ran fraudulent ballots. They lied to the public observers to even remove the public from 30+ feet away. Observers should be able to stand over the ballot counter shoulders like on 2018 races. Anything less means the election is rigged and doesnt count. The lie about kungflu aint gonna trump the constitution.

      You lose democrats.

  16. The salt on display from Trump cultists is always a joy to read.

    It tastes almost like… Conservative Tears? 😀

    1. The salt on display from Trump cultists is always a joy to read. It tastes almost like… Conservative Tears?

      Yeah, the same kind of “conservative tears” that flowed in Venezuela and other countries when the left stole elections there, because that’s what we’re heading for.

      1. Lefties like the commies at unreason are just trying to deflect from their sad that biden EC votes will be challenged jan 6, 2021.

        Ask gore aboit being and “almost” president.

    2. “iT’s a cULt”

  17. Fuck you Jacob.

  18. Here’s to hoping President Trump gives us martial law for Christmas!

    1. Peace on Earth!!

  19. Bees! Bees! They’re everywhere! Run! Save yourselves!! Aaaaarrrrgghh

  20. Has anyone noticed that the stimulus checks are exactly the price of a new Xbox? And Bill Gates didn’t have anything to do with that? Coincidence? I don’t think so.

  21. QB VII

  22. In Sleepy’s own words:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0

    My question – if you put together the largest voter fraud organization in the nation’s history, why don’t you use it?
    Or did you already?

    1. When Biden asked why he didn’t need to campaign or leave his basement, they told him “Don’t worry. We have put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” and then Biden blurted it out. Just like, “You ain’t black.” They keep him real quiet now.

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