2 Reasons It's Not Clear That Trump 'Corruptly' Obstructed an Official Proceeding
Appeals in the January 6 cases raise serious questions about how broadly the statute should be applied.

Hundreds of Donald Trump supporters who participated in the January 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol have been charged with "corruptly" obstructing an "official proceeding"—i.e., the congressional ratification of Joe Biden's victory, which was interrupted by the riot. An expected federal indictment of Trump is likely to include that charge as well. But there are serious questions about whether this statute, 18 USC 1512(c), applies to the rioters' conduct and whether it also covers what Trump himself did.
Congress enacted Section 1512(c) in response to the Enron scandal, which involved the destruction of incriminating documents by the company's auditor, the accounting firm Arthur Andersen. Section 1512(c)(1) makes it a felony, punishable by up to 20 years in prison, to "corruptly" alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal "a record, document, or other object" with "the intent to impair the object's integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding." Section 1512(c)(2), the provision invoked in the Capitol riot cases, applies the same penalties to someone who "otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so."
Prior to the January 6 cases, this provision had been used mainly to prosecute people for concealing or falsifying evidence. One question raised in appeals by accused rioters is whether the congressional tally of electoral votes qualifies as an "official proceeding," and courts have accepted the government's argument that it does. But the appeals also have raised two more-nettlesome issues of statutory interpretation: What does "corruptly" mean in this context, and what sorts of conduct does Section 1512(c)(2) encompass?
Addressing the latter issue in March 2022, U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols rejected a broad interpretation of Section 1512(c)(2) that would cover acts of trespassing, assault, or vandalism (each of which is independently criminal) that interfered with the electoral tally. Rather, he said, the provision should be read to cover conduct similar to the evidence-concealing actions described in Section 1512(c)(1).
Nichols said the statutory text "supports three possible readings": "It is possible that subsections (c)(1) and (c)(2) are not related at all (though this is not a very plausible interpretation). Subsection (c)(1) may contain just examples of the much broader prohibition contained in subsection (c)(2). Or subsection (c)(2) may be limited by subsection (c)(1)." Keeping in mind the "rule of lenity," which cautions against broad application of ambiguous criminal statutes, Nichols settled on the third interpretation.
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit rejected Nichols' narrow reading in a decision last April. It concluded that Section 1512(c)(2) was broad enough to encompass "assaultive conduct" that was "committed in furtherance of an attempt to stop Congress from performing a constitutionally required duty."
Dissenting from that decision, Judge Gregory Katsas disputed the majority's conclusion that "the second subsection applies to obstruction that bears no relationship to the specific acts of spoliation covered by the first subsection." Katsas also raised the issue of how to read "corruptly," which the majority did not definitively address. A broad reading of that term, he warned, could have perverse and unjust consequences.
"The lead opinion invokes other opinions stating that the use of unlawful means is sufficient, but not necessary, to show corrupt action," Katsas wrote. But "even if independently unlawful means were necessary, section 1512(c)(2) still would cover large swaths of advocacy, lobbying, and protest." He offered some examples (citations omitted):
A protestor who demonstrates outside a courthouse, hoping to affect jury deliberations, has influenced an official proceeding (or attempted to do so, which carries the same penalty). So has an EPA employee who convinces a member of Congress to change his vote on pending environmental legislation. And so has the peaceful protestor in the Senate gallery. Under an unlawful-means test, all three would violate section 1512(c)(2) because each of them broke the law while advocating, lobbying, or protesting. And each would face up to 20 years' imprisonment—rather than maximum penalties of one year, a criminal fine, and six months, respectively. So while this approach would create an escape hatch for those who influence an official proceeding without committing any other crime, it also would supercharge a range of minor advocacy, lobbying, and protest offenses into 20-year felonies. That still gives section 1512(c)(2) an improbably broad reach, because it posits that the Corporate Fraud Accountability Act extended the harsh penalties of obstruction-of-justice law to new realms of advocacy, protest, and lobbying.
The D.C. Circuit has not yet settled on a definition of "corruptly," an issue raised by a pending case. That case, The New York Times reports, "could be decided any day now."
How do these concerns apply to the potential case against Trump? Unlike the January 6 defendants, he did not participate in the riot. The argument that he violated Section 1512(c)(2) therefore hinges on actions that either promoted that outcome or were otherwise aimed at obstructing the electoral vote count.
One theory, suggested by the House select committee that investigated the circumstances leading to the riot, is that Trump violated Section 1512(c)(2) when he summoned his supporters to a "Stop the Steal" rally in Washington, D.C., on the day that Congress was meeting to certify Joe Biden's victory, then riled them up with a fiery speech and pointed them toward the Capitol.
Even more than the scenarios outlined by Katsas (which involve expressive activity that runs afoul of other laws), that rationale raises obvious First Amendment concerns. It is doubtful that Trump's speech the day of the riot, which despite its inflammatory tone did not explicitly urge anything other than peaceful protest, was "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action," as required by the test that the Supreme Court established in the 1969 case Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Another theory proposed by the January 6 committee seems more promising. The committee noted that "President Trump was attempting to prevent or delay the counting of lawful certified electoral college votes from multiple States" by encouraging Republicans in seven battleground states to present themselves as "duly elected and qualified" electors. Republican members of Congress cited those "contingent" slates of electors as a reason for objecting to Biden's electors, and Trump unsuccessfully pressured Vice President Mike Pence to reject the Biden slates.
As evidence that "President Trump acted with a 'corrupt' purpose," the committee noted that Pence, his legal counsel, "and others" repeatedly told Trump that "the Vice President had no unilateral authority to prevent certification of the election." Trump also "knew that he had lost dozens of State and Federal lawsuits, and that the Justice Department, his campaign and his other advisors concluded that there was insufficient fraud to alter the outcome." And he knew that "no majority of any State legislature had taken or manifested any intention to take any official action that could change a State's electoral college votes." But he "pushed forward anyway."
That evidence indicates Trump should have known that he did not really win reelection and that there was no legal basis for Pence to interfere in the ratification of Biden's victory. Whether Trump actually knew that is a different question.
Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, and the other lawyers whose advice Trump preferred were reinforcing his avowed belief that he had been cheated and assuring him that legally viable options were available to correct that imagined injustice, including the "contingent" electors scheme. As the Times notes, "some legal experts have said that Mr. Trump could mount an attack against the obstruction charge, if it is brought by [Special Counsel Jack] Smith, by arguing that he truly believed he had been robbed of victory by fraud in the election and, therefore, could not be accused of having acted corruptly."
The Times suggests that a recent decision by U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth "could set a legal basis for refuting any attempts by the former president" to argue that he did not act "corruptly." The case involved a January 6 rioter, Alan Hostetter, who was charged with obstruction of an official proceeding and argued that he was not guilty of that crime because he honestly believed Trump had been cheated of his rightful victory.
"Even if Mr. Hostetter genuinely believed the election was stolen and that public officials had committed treason, that does not change the fact that he acted corruptly with consciousness of wrongdoing," Lamberth wrote. "Belief that your actions are serving a greater good does not negate consciousness of wrongdoing."
But in addition to the obstruction charge, Hostetter was accused (and convicted) of "entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon" and "disorderly or disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon." If "unlawful means is sufficient…to show corrupt action" under Section 1512(c)(2)—the theory that Katsas criticized in his D.C. Circuit dissent—those independent crimes were enough to establish that element.
Trump's situation is different. His "consciousness of wrongdoing" hinges on whether he knew he was getting bad legal advice from Eastman et al. If he believed their assurances, he lacked the "corrupt purpose" that the January 6 committee alleged. That's why Pence, who was the main target of the machinations that the committee described as a criminal conspiracy, says he is "not convinced that the president acting on bad advice of a group of crank lawyers that came into the White House in the days before January 6 is actually criminal." So even if the D.C. Circuit's broad reading of the statute is correct, proving that Trump violated it will be a tall order.
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You expect an extreme far left fascist rag to report on Dictator Biden's corruption? It ain't happenin'!
Not clear, precisely, what Trump did that was illegal.
If I say "Go and march peacefully" and some people ransack a place instead --- I am, in no way, responsible for their actions.
Depends. Are you a non Democrat? If you're a Democrat you may even make money.
If he had said absolutely nothing they likely would hav prosecuted him for not stopping them. They were going to make up phony charges against Trump no matter what.
It’s past time for the democrats to go.
Al Capone never killed anyone, but he got his thugs killed many and the courts never got him convicted except on taxes.
You're aware that only protesters died on 1/6, right?
Of course, a police officer died the very next day, but apparently he doesn’t count as a person to MAGAs.
The police officer died of natural causes, Cletus. The only death(s) were unarmed non-threatening protester(s) murdered point blank by DC cops.
It's sad that he died.
1/6 did not cause it any more than 1/5 did.
I'm not blaming cops for the heart attack death amongst the protesters on 1/6.
We’ve been over this you Marxist piece of shit. They didn’t kill him. Stop lying.
Goddamn, even his family says J6 had nothing to do with it. Quit using this man’s death to push your Marxism on everyone.
I am willing to bet more than one police officer died the next day, and several military personnel, and hundreds of other people as well, and those deaths have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, or his mega-MAGA-minions.
That’s not a good analogy.
Dear Lord, this is the third article in as many days about this topic, when are you gonna cover Biden's bribery scandal? An no, Reason round up is not good enough!
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The bottom line here is very clear: if a Federal law is not clear enough to leave little doubt as to what actions constitute a violation and whether or not the law even applies in a particular case, then it is unconstitutionally broad and vague and should be overturned by the Supreme Court. At the very least honest prosecutors should decide not to try to charge anyone under them when there is significant doubt. Unfortunately, there are well over four thousand such unconstitutional laws in the Code of Federal Regulations (no one know how many more than four thousand there are) and it’s going to take a very long time before prosecutors try to illegally apply all of them to their political opponents to start the appeals process.
If I were a juror for this case I would think what would a reasonable adult conclude after digesting all the information available to them? Is Trump so numb that he can't understand that he lost? He's a stable genius. 4-D chess master. I would conclude, as a juror, that he should have concluded he had lost just as any reasonable person would conclude.
Very conclusive.
I appreciate your in depth legal analysis, “Slickrick”.
Orange man bad? Orange man bad.
It's amazing to watch people who think Trump is a window licker simultaneously believe he's a genius.
Pick a lane, because both can not be true.
Why would Trump "understand" something that is extraordinarily unlikely to be true?
Democrats cheated. In hundreds, perhaps thousands, of ways. Fake ballots never signature-verified was just one of those ways.
It’s what they do. Whenever I debate their unconstitutional and other criminal public behavior I’m always told it’s ok, because it’s for an important cause. Why should this be any different?
Democrats are lawless scum who have sold their souls to inflict Marxism on America. Case closed.
I'm glad you're not a juror then. I good juror would consider the facts, consider the wording of the law, consider intent and then decide based on those factors alone. An extraordinarily good juror would also consider the law and decide whether it should be applied or not. An ordinary juror - i.e. a better one than you would be - might conclude that there was a difference between believing that fraud had stolen the election from you, and saying so as part of a political and legal effort to appeal the result or win the next elections. Unfortunately, the second alternative is all too common in modern political infighting and the cultures wars.
I'm certain the election was stolen. Democrats fought tooth and nail to prevent anyone from auditing the ballots and proving the election was won with legal ballots. There's only one reason you would fight so hard to prevent anyone from proving beyond doubt that Trump lost.
Trump in jail would be a more-attractive candidate, to me.
The less a president can/will do, the more I favor him/her.
Yeah, that’s working great with Biden. The executive branch would just stop doing shit with the president out of the way!
As retarded as when Reason staff used this justification to vote for Biden. God damn are you people ignorant of how the federal government works.
It would also push us closer to the conflict that will cleanse the left from America.
"Trump also "knew that he had lost dozens of State and Federal lawsuits," is an oft-repeated, but factually incorrect, statement. The truth is that virtually every case was dismissed for "lack of standing", never permitted to come to trial. And the massive amounts of evidence and sworn testimony intended to be presented in those cases was not, nor has it to this day, ever brought before judge and jury! Lawfare by both left and right sides of the US political uni-party.
The fancy lawyers who went to Yale and get to hang out in the Swamp Parties all represent the Democrats. Trump has lawyers with hair dye running down their face and people who say "release the Kraken." This doesn't mean he's wrong, it just means the ruling class has the power and the lawyers.
The voting machines failed at a 3% to 7% rate in 2020, depending on how many “non-eligible to register citizens” were alive on Election Day 2020.
Rather than a six sigma accuracy, the dominion machines had a raw tabulation accuracy of 93.0000 to 97.0000 (which means roughly as many as 12 states had tabulation outcomes that were “fundamentally unknowable” in 2020 as the fail rate in those states exceeded the statewide margin of victories (in some cases by 10,000x).
Thus the correct remedy, the only remedy, was for the State Legislatures in these states to choose electors per Article 3, and/or Congress to hold a 12th/20th amendment election.
But instead we have the Manchurian Candidate, and I have to say Soros paid a lot to get here.
Some cases were dismissed because of time limits or lack of standing, but I don’t believe it was “virtually every case”. Please provide a cite to back up that claim.
Can you cite one that got a full trial? And not some really kook third party case from out of left field.
Trump's team's failure was that they bought the fake story that it was up to them to find and prove fraud. It is fundamentally a lie.
Our entire government's legitimacy rests solely on fair elections. Our founders knew this - which is why the ONLY use of the word "guarantee" in our Constitution is in Article IV Section 4 which promises "a Republican form of government." That means fair elections. Guarantee means that Congress is Constitutionally obligated to reject any State election results for which said State cannot or does not provide incontrovertible proof of a fair election.
Fair elections are not "hard." Third world countries do them all the time. Over the past 70 years, our State election laws have slowly allowed for greater and greater opportunity to cheat. In 2020, swing State election laws were ignored entirely, and most blue State laws - even if followed, which they clearly aren't - are completely insufficient to prove the election valid.
Congress committed treason on J6 2021.
Trump hasn't been to Pedo Island. They have. He must be stopped.
ALL democrats must be stopped.
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Over half of Americans believe the election was fraudulent. Eighteen state attorney generals joined a lawsuit that went to the US Supreme Court that said that as well. The voting machines (that we’ve been discussing fraud issues with since Chavez) were purchased in 2018 by WHOM? Hint: he’s spent $20 billion in the last 20 years on Leftist politics. And lastly, who had the MOTIVE to create chaos while Trump was giving a speech? Is it A: People who travelled their to hear 112 lawmakers including Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley speak about fraud concerns? Or is it B: People who had been rioting for four long years because that’s how they create chaos to tarnish their opponents? Let’s ask a 10 year old. I will say this: They were playing chess. Trump was playing checkers.
Let’s start with you very first sentence: “ Over half of Americans believe the election was fraudulent.” Cite please.
Doesn't matter what they think. Article IV Section 4 places the burden of proof for legitimacy on the States, and on Congress to reject any State election result which cannot be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Not one of the swing states, nor most of the blue States, could, would, or can provide that proof. That means we have an illegitimate government.
The constitution says nothing of the sort.
Really? Then what does it say? Since no one is inclined to believe an unrepentant Marxist, such as yourself.
That's not the only thing that means we have an illegitimate government. Over four thousand unconstitutional laws in the Code of Federal Regulations responsible for over nine out of every ten Federal government officials also means that we have an illegitimate government. The fact that a President signed almost every one of those laws and that the Supreme Court has almost never struck any of them down clinches it.
Section 1512(c)(1) makes it a felony, punishable by up to 20 years in prison, to "corruptly" alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal "a record, document, or other object" with "the intent to impair the object's integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding."
So, Hillary Clinton's destruction of evidence would count...right?
This feels like more projection from the far left to me. We know for a fact Hillary did this.
Correct. In point of fact, Hillary Clinton confessed publicly to over 600 counts of felony Espionage. The specific statute provides no allowance whatsoever for "intent," despite Comey's song and dance, and therefore the act is the deed and she is guilty - and due several thousands of years in prison.
Therein lies the rub: she says she did not intend to make them unavailable for use in an official proceeding. She says they were scrubbed inadvertently, that she wasn't aware that using her personal equipment was a violation, or that she had not been informed that they were the subject of an official proceeding. Prove her wrong! For that matter, it's extremely unlikely that an honest court would find proof that Trump or the Alternate Electors intended to violate the law. The only question is whether the Courts are honest after dishonest Prosecutors filed the charges.
So, no discussion of the Donkey in the room?
If the trial is a bench trial, or held somewhere outside DC, legal arguments might prevail. If it's a jury trial in DC? Trump is going down regardless. He got a whopping 5% of the vote in DC! You'd hardly have to stack the jury at all to get one that would automatically convict him.
1/12 is around 8% and preemptory challenges and skillful juror selection by the defense can handle the margin of difference there quite well.
So, there very well might be a means to get one or two Trump voters on the jury. Toss in you know those darn legalistic libs who are softies (I'm being sarcastic, but you can find some who don't support prosecution or would be very strict).
Add to the fact that jurors regularly apply the facts and law, even when it results in a verdict that some are uncomfortable with in various ways. We can even theorize the 70-30 vote for Trump where he is being prosecuted in Florida won't mean he will be found innocent on all the charges.
The leanings of the jury pool are notable, obviously, and is baked into the constitutional system we have. It just won't be that blatant.
At the federal level, in a felony case, the prosecution, too, is entitled to preemptory challenges. 6 of them, with a few extra to expend on alternate jurors. Given how one-sided the statistics are in DC, you hardly need that many to be almost certain of eliminating every identifiable Republican from the jury; There's a 54% chance of coming up with no Republicans in a 12 man DC jury.
The documents case looks better for Trump from a jury standpoint: Fort Pierce, FL is a pretty Trumpy area.
No Trump case should be held in a democrat controlled jurisdiction. They are proven to be homogeneously lawless. Many are loud and proud in that subject.
Ideally, all court cases should be adjudicated by Americans, not democrats.
"Appeals in the January 6 cases raise serious questions about how broadly the statute should be applied."
You're just now figuring out that when it comes to Trump, rules don't really apply?
Democrats have no understanding of what they are setting in motion. If there is no kre rule of law, and the legal system is whatever the fuck those traitors feel like, then there is no more reason to follow said system. And nothing in our way to removing the democrat infestation from America.
Incarcerating Trump for any of this phony made up bullshit may set off a cycle of events that will make things real fucking bad for them.
"Section 1512(c)(2), the provision invoked in the Capitol riot cases, applies the same penalties to someone who "otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so.""
Isn't this what the partisan officials who promoted the frauds starting with the Russia hoax did? Or those who promoted the fraud that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation? Or those who promoted the Ukrainian phone call fraud where Trump, seeking evidence of illegal activity by former VP Biden, was doing his job? Seems to me that includes Obama, Biden, Clinton, members of the FBI, DoJ, NSA, CIA and others. They are the ones that need to be prosecuted.
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Much as any sensible person despises Trump, you must see how corrupt this exercise is: we have the man and now we need to find the crime.
In a just country, we start at particular crime and seek the criminal. At worst, we might look at an act and ask, is it a crime?
If you are poring through law books, trying to find something that might stick, you are admitting you don’t care about the law as much as retribution.
Why despise Trump? What did he do, that is not already a proven lie? What policies of his did you despise? Trump did not divide the nation, the Democrats divided the nation because they hate Trump.
Why not despise Biden? Biden is being proven very corrupt. Biden's policies suck causing high inflation, high energy prices, hurting our kids, and dividing our nation. Biden got us in another proxy war. Biden alienated many of our key allies.The Biden you see is not Biden, but a media image, the people that worked with him call him an asshole. Biden called his political opposition fascist. Trump asked his political opponents to join him. Trump donated his presidential salary (except $1 dollar as by law the president must get paid) back to the Treasury plus his foreign profits to as to no appear to be "Influenced", What has Biden donated back to the US treasury? How has Biden gained from using the influence of his position?
Oh, yeah, Trump made mean Tweets, unforgivable! Quit listening to CNN and MSNBC.
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