Poll: 44 Percent of Millennials Want To Make Misgendering a Crime
Plus: Iowa court halts 6-week abortion ban, income inequality is shrinking, and more…

"Referring to someone by the wrong gender pronoun (he/him, she/her) should be a criminal offense," millennials say in a new poll. Americans, particularly younger Americans, often lament that our country has such problems with policing and mass incarceration. But when it comes to decriminalizing or lessening penalties for things that put people in cops' crosshairs, few want to give an inch unless the crime in question involves cannabis. Meanwhile, way too many express enthusiasm for creating criminal prohibitions on anything they wish wouldn't happen.
Case in point: a new Newsweek poll on misgendering. In the poll—given to 1,500 eligible voters in the U.S. in early July by Redfield & Wilton Strategies—people were asked whether "referring to someone by the wrong gender pronoun (he/him, she/her) should be a criminal offense."
A shocking percentage of younger survey respondents said that it should.
Younger millennials were the most likely to support criminal penalties for misgendering, with 44 percent of 25- to 34-year-old respondents in favor and just 31 percent saying misgendering should not be a crime.
But support for criminalizing misgendering was also strong among older millennials and Gen Z, though the younger group was less gung-ho about it:
- Some 38 percent of 35- to 44-year-old respondents said it should be a crime, while 35 percent disagreed.
- Some 33 percent of 18- to 24-year-old respondents said it should be a crime, while 48 percent disagreed.
Among survey respondents overall, 19 percent said misgendering should be criminalized. Nearly two-thirds—65 percent—said it should not be criminalized, while 12 percent neither agreed nor disagreed and 4 percent said they didn't know.
Calling people by their preferred pronouns is certainly the kind thing to do, just as it is to call people by their preferred name or honorific. Conversely, deliberately misgendering someone is a jerk move.
But the purpose of criminal law isn't to punish people for being jerks, and it's a perverted society that thinks everything offensive or bad must be criminalized.
In this particular case, criminalizing misgendering would also run into First Amendment concerns. Forcing someone to use particular pronouns under threat of criminal penalty would be government-compelled speech, which our Constitution frowns upon.
The Newsweek survey results are disturbing, but we may be able to chalk some of it up to social desirability bias. People want to answer survey questions in a way that makes them look good. Asked the pronoun crime question in isolation and the abstract, some respondents may have responded affirmatively as a means to signal disapproval for misgendering people and support for transgender acceptance. Faced with a specific, real-world proposal to criminalize misgendering, perhaps (hopefully!) not quite so many people would be on board.
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Iowa court halts 6-week abortion ban. Just a few days after Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds, a Republican, signed a strict abortion ban into law, a Polk County district court has put the law on hold. The suspended measure would make most abortions illegal after six weeks of pregnancy. From The New York Times:
Joseph Seidlin, a district court judge in Polk County, said that the new ban would be suspended while the larger legal case against it moved forward. He said in his ruling that the plaintiffs who filed a lawsuit against the ban, including the American Civil Liberties Union, Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers, were likely to succeed on the merits of their case.
That means that abortion in Iowa is once again legal up to around 22 weeks of pregnancy, at least for now.
In his ruling, Seidlin wrote that "there are good, honorable and intelligent people—morally, politically and legally—on both sides of this upsetting societal and constitutional dilemma."
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Income inequality is shrinking. After the Great Recession, "predictions of economic decline took over," notes Yascha Mounk at The Atlantic. "America, a country long known for its inveterate optimism, came to dread the future—in which it now appeared that most people would have less and less."
American discourse was rife with concerns about stagnation and rising income inequality. Yet "the reasons for economic pessimism have started to look less convincing than they once were," notes Mounk:
The U.S. economy, [MIT economist David] Autor wrote in a highly influential paper in 2010, is bifurcating. Even as demand for high-skilled workers rose, demand for "middle-wage, middle-skill white-collar and blue-collar jobs" was contracting. America's economy, which had once provided plenty of middle-class jobs, was splitting into a highly affluent professional stratum and a large remainder that was becoming more immiserated. The overall outcome, according to Autor, was "falling real earnings for noncollege workers" and "a sharp rise in the inequality of wages."
Autor's past work on the falling wages of a major segment of the American workforce makes it all the more notable that he now sounds far more optimistic. Because companies were desperately searching for workers at the tail-end of the pandemic, Autor argues in a working paper published earlier this year, low-wage workers found themselves in a much better bargaining position. There has been a remarkable reversal in economic fortunes.
"Disproportionate wage growth at the bottom of the distribution reduced the college wage premium and reversed the rise in aggregate wage inequality since 1980 by approximately one quarter," Autor writes. The big winners of recent economic trends are precisely those groups that had been left out in preceding decades: "The rise in wages was particularly strong among workers under 40 years of age and without a college degree."
Even after accounting for inflation, Autor shows, the bottom quarter of American workers has seen a significant boost in income for the first time in years. The scholar who previously wrote about the "polarization" in the U.S. workforce now concludes that the American economy is experiencing an "unexpected compression." In other words, the wealth gap is narrowing with surprising speed.
And Autor isn't the only economist noticing this.
While many Americans hang on to beliefs that income inequality is rising, "the intellectual basis for the thesis has begun to wobble," Mounk points out. More here.
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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- John F. Kennedy remains the most highly rated former president when Gallup asks Americans whether, in retrospect, they approve or disapprove of the job each did as president. Ninety percent of U.S. adults now approve of the job Kennedy did, 21 percentage points higher than second-place Ronald Reagan’s rating.
Seven of the nine past presidents included in the poll receive majority retrospective approval ratings. The two exceptions are Donald Trump, with 46% of Americans approving of the job he did in his initial retrospective approval rating, and Richard Nixon, at 32%.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/508625/retrospective-approval-jfk-rises-trump.aspx
I'm absolutely cratered by your popularity poll, Shrike. Particularly how Obama lost to HW Bush.
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It amazes me how Americans living in a purportedly Christian culture don't even understand the basic tenets of its theology.
Pretty much the whole point of Christianity is that everyone has sinned and is worthy of damnation so God became a human and took our punishment for us. And the libertarian angle is, that you still have a choice to accept or reject the gift already given.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23 ESV: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:16-17 ESV: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
The Bible? As expected of you, Shillsy.
"It amazes me how Americans living in a purportedly Christian culture don’t even understand the basic tenets of its theology.
Pretty much the whole point of Christianity is that everyone has sinned and is worthy of damnation so God became a human and took our punishment for us. And the libertarian angle is, that you still have a choice to accept or reject the gift already given."
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Nothing wrong with that, Shillsy. You were ignorant then and you're ignorant now.
Maybe try coming at me with a statement that I don't proudly stand behind.
Perfectly Evil and Perfectly Proud of it, and proud of SHIT!
WHY does this not surprise me?
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Nobody likes a pants-shitter.
At least SQRLSY will lick them clean.
This commentariat's existence raises a serious theological question:
Can damnation best be obtained by faith or good works?
Arrogance, gaslighting and genital maiming.
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How could Donnie lose to an old stiff with that kind of popularity?
It must have been rigged!
How could your lightbringer lose to the old spook?
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How could your lightbringer lose to the old spook?
Obama isn't making up shit about election rigging.
At least not since 2017.
If the 2016 election was illegitimate, as many Democrats believe, Obama looks like the biggest jackass on the planet.
Because in that scenario not only did RUSSIA HACK THE ELECTION under his watch, but it did so 4 years after Obama's 2012 opponent warned Russia was a threat. And Obama dismissed the idea with a prepackaged quip.
Sure he did. In fact he anointed Hillary's Russian Collusion gambit.
Remember in Illinois when Obama was going to court to throw opponents off ballots? Good times.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
https://www.westernjournal.com/flashback-1996-obama-challenged-signatures-get-primary-opponents-thrown-off-ballot/
Jackson and Long described the events unfolding in the 13th District of Illinois in the summer of 1995. After then-U.S. Rep. Mel Reynolds, a Democrat, was “convicted of sex crimes, a special election was called to fill his congressional seat.” The Illinois state senator at the time, Alice Palmer, decided to run for Reynolds’ seat in Congress.
BTW, for the record, Mel Reynolds was convicted of sex crimes against a minor.
On Jan. 2, 1996, according to Jackson and Long, “operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.”
“There they [Obama, his lawyer and his team] began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer … And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama’s four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot,” the report said.
Nothing that Obama and his team did was illegal. One by one, they challenged each signature that his opponents had gathered as they were entitled to do.
The Chicago Board of Election Commissioners worked with the Obama campaign through that slow, painstaking process. Obama took advantage of the legal process that was available to him and was able to eliminate all four of his competitors.
Now Shrike applauds the Ga dem prosecutor going after Trump for challenging things like ballot signatures. Good times.
Very great point.
Shit, challenging signatures is practically a sport in Cook County, Illinois. They all do it from the Daleys and Madigan on down to the lowliest dogcatcher.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Is your keyboard sticky from spanking it to underage porn?
Wait, I thought Obama was the old spook. *ducks*
I leave calling black people racist names to Buttplug. See below on his Clarence Thomas post.
His blatherings are just a grey box to me.
He’s the Ace of Spades, to borrow an old Archie Bunker compliment.
Reminder: ML admits he does not come here to debate, only to troll and "refute".
https://reason.com/2023/07/17/federal-officials-can-keep-pressing-tech-platforms-to-remove-content-for-now-court-says/?comments=true#comment-10157942
Wow, Lying Jeffy even lies about a quote in the same post.
“I post to refute and mock you, not debate you.”
You (sarc) is a key word there, Lying Jeffy.
Jeffy thinks he's being smart here. All he's doing is showing the world why we all call him Lying Jeffy. For the record, here's ML's whole quote, not just Jeffy's cherry-picked part:
Mother's Lament 1 day ago
Sarcasmic, you shitposting troll, I don’t give a fuck whether you read them or not. I post to refute and mock you, not debate you.
You’re a dishonest, drunken ideologue. I could write responses with the wit of Churchill and the wisdom of Chesterton and that still wouldn’t convince your indoctrinated ass. Debating you is pointless, but refuting and mocking you is always worthwhile.
The Canadian Cunt sure has issues. He spent years trying to prove I ran socks, and when he found what he thought was a "gotcha" he inadvertently proved that I was being socked. His reaction was to go batshit crazy and angry at me. He had to. The alternative would be admitting to being a colossal dick and apologize like a man. Well, he proved he ain't a man. That's for sure.
Regardless of your opinion of ML, Lying Jeffy just got caught lying red handed about what he said. Again.
I really don’t understand what Jeffy thought he was pulling. Does he really think people won’t click on a link and take his bullshit at face value?
He’s got to know by now that aside from the pedo, the drunk and the sealion everyone here absolutely hates him and thinks he’s a dishonest piece of shit.
Nobody trusts him and he knows that, but somehow he thinks he can get away with this garbage.
And here sarcasmic deliberately lies yet again.
He demanded cites, I gave them to him and he ghosted the thread. The next day he pretended he hadn't seen them so I gave them to him again. And again he ghosted the thread.
On the third day he again made the claim, so for the rest of the week I posted those citations under every single post he made, and every single time he ignored them.
Then he declared he was muting me so he could pretend he never saw them.
Most people here can remember and attest to this.
Sarc is such a sociopathic little retard.
Sure enough one of his lapdogs came to stick its nose up my ass. I can't imagine what a pathetic life someone must lead in order to get pleasure from behaving like a catty teenage girl on some internet forum.
Says sarc after jumping into the thread to help Lying Jeffy after he was caught lying.
You're white knighting Lying Jeffy. The only part of this that involved you was the comment that Lying Jeffy was trying to use to own ML. It failed.
Meanwhile you white-knight for the most despicable liars on the board.
The I'm-rubber-and-you're-glue defense, huh?
Putting that internet-tested 140 IQ to hard work I see.
I don't know how much he paid for that test, but whatever it was, it was too much, and he should demand a refund.
No, I don't white knight Jeffy, Tony, Laursen, or Shrike. You, on the other hand, do.
Pretty funny considering everything he says about others is a lie in order to goad them into defending themselves. He's a textbook troll.
A loser and a piece of shit. I bet his mom is ashamed.
Yes, Lying Jeffy is a textbook troll.
jeff does try to get reactions, but he's a lot more honest than your troll buddies.
The guy known here primarily as "Lying Jeffy" is more honest than the guys you've loudly declared many times to be your enemies?
How unexpected.
You're too busy in a circle jerk with Lying Jeffy and Diet Shrike below.
Reminder: ML admits he does not come here to debate, only to troll and “refute”.
Do you just come here for the abuse, jeffy? Most people are smart enough not to link to a conversation where they got railed.
And you seem to be confused as to the meaning of the word refute. Nobody can debate a shifty fuckweasel who refuses to engage in honest discourse. As usual, your "gotcha!" is a self-own.
Pedo Jeffy, no one here debates you seriously, because you’re so patently disingenuous. So no honest discussion can be had. We just beat you down and destroy your lies so the uninitiated don’t read your drivel without immediate refutation. We also provide context for your lies so everyone knows what you are and that you have no credibility.
And you don’t have credibility. You’re a fucking dishonest clownshoe.
It's been 60 years so most of this is tied to the mythos that has been carefully crafted for JFK.
I wonder what percentage of those JFK fans could answer a basic question like "To what extent was JFK responsible for the Bay of Pigs?"
Probably not many. Their knowledge is likely limited to "Young + Democrat + handsome (by politician standards) + died tragically = best Prez evaaaaaaahh!"
But how do modern feminists view the JFK fuck fest?
Boiler Room Girls vs #metoo?
He had a (D) after his name and was fairly good looking so... *swoon*
Wait till all those millennials find out that JFK routinely misgendered people.
JFK stood up to jingoism from a power halfway around the world during the Cuban missile crisis. That other nation’s leadership wisely understood the folly and danger of meddling in the backyard of another superpower. Thankfully, lessons were learned where this would never be attempted again.
Until we were led by a man that forgets his name let alone any lessons of the past.
What a surprise, presidents that got the celebrity tongue bathing by friendly propaganda outlets popular, and the ones that had a non stop smear campaign on them unpopular.
"Propaganda appears to work" - Buttplug
Ninety percent of U.S. adults now approve of the job Kennedy did, 21 percentage points higher than second-place Ronald Reagan’s rating.
Given that Kennedy is mostly remembered for getting shot, I'm not sure this poll says what you think it says.
His sad exit from office aids in sympathetic remembrance. Sportsball fans may hold Lou Gehrig and Roberto Clemente in higher esteem due to their tragic endings.
Lou gehrig was the luckiest man on the face of the planet
According to George Carlin, Roberto Clemente had two balls on him.
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Whats funny is JFK would be considered a republican today.
Asked the country to work and not take from government in his most famous line.
Signed the law that got rid of mental institutions.
Increased military budget.
Was critical of the defense and intelligence agencies.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Ackshuyally, Milton Friedman had the right idea with his reply to Kennedy in Capitalism and Freedom:
The free man will ask neither what his country can do for him nor what he can do for his country. He will ask rather “What can I and my compatriots do through government” to help us discharge our individual responsibilities, to achieve our several goals and purposes, and above all, to protect our freedom? And he will accompany this question with another: How can we keep the government we create from becoming a Frankenstein that will destroy the very freedom we establish it to protect?
Uncle Miltie hit the nail on the head!
Funny that popularity, from what I read everyone wanted him dead, the Russians, the Cubans, the Birchers, the Mafia, the FBI, CIA, LBJ, Madame Nu, Marilyn Monroe's agent, maybe even old lady Zapruder.
When I first heard about Zip Recruiter, I thought: "How can the guy who filmed JFK's assassination get me a job?"
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turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
What they don't have is a breakdown by age of respondent. It'd make the most sense to ask only those who were alive, preferably as adults, at the time the president in question was in office.
The table with the partisan breakdown shows that the opinion as to the last two presidents' job handling is for all practical purposes a partisan phenomenon rather than a reflection of their personal abilities. These days in the USA it hardly makes sense to ask this opinion about individual office holders above the level of small municipalities; you'd be better off asking, "How well does the current office holder carry out your party's policies?"
The general increase in ratings over time of past presidents is a reflection of the belief of poll answerers that things in general have gotten worse, politically. If there were a way to peer into the minds of people who refused to answer such a poll, I don't think there'd be the same impression among them that things have been getting worse. It's malcontents who are motivated to answer polls. The poll cuts off time at JFK, but I bet if it were extended back to Eisenhower and Truman you'd see a similarly outrageous runup in opinion. Still, getting killed at just the right time was the best career move JFK could've made; his ghost is in huge demand as a result, while if he'd lived a little longer he'd've been so much dirt.
I am always amazed when Clinton is rated so highly caused so many long term problems: in banking his administration created too big to fail with the Mexican bond crisis (he bought the banks holdings of Mexican debt), his policies set in motion the collapse in 2008, he appointed Franklin Raines head of Fannie Mae which led to that agency soaking up 100's of billions of Fed (taxpayer) dollars, and limited the number of residencies reimbursed by Medicare to 100,000 per year at the AMA's request. The last item contributed to the explosion of foreign doctors and high tuition at medical schools.
The press loved Clinton, as he "felt everyone's pain" (whatever the fuck that means). He was McSteamy to JFK's McDreamy for them. They still run interference for Clinton, especially his trips with Epstein and to Isla Lolita.
Epstein was Fatass Donnie's running buddy. Donnie even said they had the same taste in women.
Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-A-Lago for life for attempting to kiddie diddle there. He'd do the same to you, asshole.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/trump-barred-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-over-sex-assault-court-docs/
Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.
“Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers, filed in the Sunshine State as part of an ongoing legal battle between Epstein and Bradley Edwards, who represented many of Epstein’s underage accusers in civil suits against him.
The filing is dated April 2011, well before Trump ascended to the presidency.
“I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him,” Trump told reporters at the White House of Epstein during an appearance with Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani. “I had a falling out a long time ago, I’d say maybe 15 years.
“I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you.”
Trump called friend Jeffy a "terrific guy" and they vacationed together:
https://people.com/politics/jeffrey-epstein-trump-administration-connection/
You were banned for posting kiddie porn links.
That was in 2002, asshole. Epstein was banned from Mar-A-Lago in 2011.
Heard that you came home late one night to find your partner packing his belongings. You asked why he was leaving and he said because you are a pedophile. You responded with, “Wow. That’s a big word for a twelve year old.”
He was fucking this German girl, and she kept yelling out her age.
Thought it was a male and Pluggo had his Hans all over him.
And here's Slick Willie with Epstein.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/02/ex-bill-clinton-aide-dishes-on-ties-to-epstein-maxwell/
Former President Bill Clinton did visit deep-pocketed perv Jeffrey Epstein’s infamous “Pedophile Island” — despite his camp’s insistence to the contrary, a onetime top advisor says in a blistering new tell-all.
Clinton made the trip in January 2003, one of dozens of times he flew aboard Epstein’s private jet, the “Lolita Express,” former close aide Doug Band claimed in a wide-ranging interview with Vanity Fair.
Photos were unearthed earlier this year of the trip, including a shot of Clinton receiving a neck massage from Chauntae Davies, who later accused Epstein of rape.
Band said he encouraged Clinton to sever ties with Epstein after that, but that in early 2003, the former president visited Epstein’s private Caribbean retreat, Little St. James — also known as “Pedophile Island.”
Band said the family also maintained close ties to Maxwell — who is currently awaiting her own trial on charges she groomed underage girls whom she and Epstein would go on to abuse.
Chelsea Clinton, the former president’s only child, maintained a friendship with Maxwell — inviting Maxwell to her 2010 wedding — long after Epstein’s misdeeds were public knowledge, in what Band characterized as a grab at high-society lifestyle.
When your original account posted links to cp in these here comments, was that a directive from your Soros handler, a suggestion that you gleefully carried out, or you just free styling?
Clinton went to the island over 20 times. You can knock yourself out trying to sweep that under the rug...because you don't like Democrats EITHER. Right?
his policies set in motion the collapse in 2008
Bullshit. That was Dubya. His downpayment "gifts" of $10,000 to each first time homebuyer, his ownership society bullshit where he relaxed federal housing credit standards, him getting rid of the net capital rule that allowed Wall St to gorge on bad debt - All Bush disasters.
I anxiously await for "I hate both sides" SPB to actually criticize a Democrat without having to bring up Republicans first.
It might eventually happen.
And Lucy will really let Charlie Brown kick that football someday too.
If Nixon was still around and could run again - I would vote for him. Super stand-up dude compared to the last 40+ years of presidents.
Same. Sure didn't feel that way back then. But in retrospect yeah.
Nixon's looking a lot more competent than nearly all of our political class these days, but he did make one of the most severe strategic mistakes in the nation's history when he listened to Kissinger and opened trade with China. He should have told Henry that the US won't play footsie with commies, and that it would be better to sit back and watch them and the Soviets to slapfight each other.
Hey fellow members of the commentariat! Shrike’s past president poll has inspired me to introduce one of my own. The question is……
What should happen to Shrike?
The options are ………
1. Exposed as a pedophile and dealt with through the criminal Justice system
2. Swiftly executed in an act of vigilantism by one of his victims and/or their family
3. Taken and brutally tortured to death in an act of vigilantism as referenced above
4. Strung up by his ankles and beaten by chimps
5. Taken by real libertarians and forced to watch an endless reel of all Trump’s speeches ‘Clockwork Orange’ style
6. Same as 5 above, but forced to listen to Jeffy’s endless sea lioning
Please reply with your votes!
Irony there is that JFK and Reagan are maybe the two most mythological figures in US politics (with FDR probably rounding out the top 3).
There's no way that a realistic version of JFK's actual agenda would get more than 15-20% approval among the modern Dem party, and what actually was done under Reagan would trail the "historical" version of his agenda by at least 20 points among the current GOP, which still includes a lot more former Obama-voting "working class" Dems who followed trump's populism across "the aisle" in 2016 than it does remaining true believers in "limited government" who were largely excised in favor of christian theocrats during the Bush/Rove regime.
Public Schools Fail Millennials in Biology and First Amendment
Don’t be so pessimistic, I’m sure they’ve failed on many other topics well. Civics, math, science, economics, ethics and English all readily come to mind.
CA at the vanguard of new-woke math, so maybe we will get to see that extrapolated out when president Newsom mysteriously wins 50 states
57 states
- Obama
California's answer will be to:
- redraw the map so it has 57 states
- Make 25+25 = 57
- take away actual math and geography classes for brighter students
- call you a racist if you disagree
Under Newsom's new "equity-based" system of mathematics, every calculation is required to produce the same result, and ironically all future elections will end in an exact tie once the vote totals are added up....
The only things people need to know now are what pronouns to use, and that all RethugliKKKans are literalnazis.
They have social anxiety, so they use the government equivalent of sending a mass email rather than address the specific asshole who made them sad.
They don't actually want anyone to go to jail, just just erroneously believe that if you outlaw behavior, people will stop making them sad.
44% Of Millennials Need a Good Ass Whuppin'
"Referring to someone by the wrong gender pronoun (he/him, she/her) should be a criminal offense," millennials say in a new poll.
Obviously the penalty should be gender-reassignment surgery.
Just curious: How many times can one undergo repeated gender-reassignment surgery, till there's nothing left to re-re-re-re-re-re-assign?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
I'll add to this with: If a person transitions and then detransitions, are they no longer trans or are they double trans? I would assume doing it twice puts you higher on the struggle-sect's totem pole, but I don't think that's actually the case.
I think they are called traitor at least to the people who make the struggle totem pole.
In other news, many Millennials are idiot snowflakes.
Hmm, how many of them want to criminalize the term "snowflake"?
That's a very good question. 8-(
I've seen a few say they want to criminalize calling someone a Karen.
So bossy of them.
Do they know who they are when they do that?
🙂
"Hmm, how many of them want to criminalize the term “snowflake”?"
You know an insult really hits hard when they try to flip it and call their enemies the same thing, which I have seen the left (and even the left-leaning libertarians here) readily use.
I've had someone call me "Okay Boomer" as if it where an insult. So I respond back "Hey Zoomer", and they get all offended. I guess in their world it's all one way streets.
To be fair, it's not all of them. Yet a good chunk of them demonstrate what a shitty job our colleges have been doing. Do parents just not care? Oh wait, parents aren't paying for their children's college anymore, parents really do not care.
But people all the way back to Cicero have been complaining about the youths, it's nothing new.
To be fair, it’s not all of them. Yet a good chunk of them demonstrate what a shitty job our colleges have been doing. Do parents just not care? Oh wait, parents aren’t paying for their children’s college anymore, parents really do not care.
Rural raised Zoomers are not the same as urbanites. Rural Zoomers are generally blue collar and not poisoned by the University system.
Because rural zoomers don't go to college? Not really a compliment.
Did they get asked about mis-generationing people by calling GX-ers "boomer"?
Not that the need a law to close the gap between "fuck around" and ""find out" for snowflakes that subsist on avocado toast and oat milk...
Oh what bullshit! These little Hitler Yute/Young Pioneer/Junior G-Men need to be turned over a knee before they get somebody killed!
Hell, I get misgendered at least once a week in the store where I work by some old fart who still thinks that cashiering is woman's work! Do I get upset? No. The old duffer apologizes and I say: "That's OK. Don't worry, this isn't a college campus." And we all have little chortle together.
And I myself misgender little babies and toddlers at least once daily when I talk to them and their parents! It's easy to do with today's hairstyles and sometimes young fashions. The parents gently correct me, no one takes offense and the little ones love my friendly patter.
With the Gen-Zombie crowd, however, I and many other cashiers may be Gulag-bound! I hope the Gen-Zombies have fun getting their groceries from the woods! Between them and the "mostly peaceful" protesters, they'll need to bone up on mountainman skills and nurse their broken glitter nails after flintknapping!
As a Pansexual, I don't hate anyone for their sex, sexual orientation, or gender. I am a peaceful, harmless person with peaceful harmless people.
But if they want to pull some kind of shit like this, they need Metaphysical Status Reassignment Surgery, performed without anesthetics and with clubs, knives, machetes, arrows, guns, woodchippers, high explosives, NBC weapons, and any other implements of death and destruction I missed!
Georgia's Supreme Court on Monday denied Donald Trump's bid to halt the Fulton County district attorney's probe into whether the former president and his allies interfered in the state's 2020 presidential election...
So there was election interference after all! Most fortified election my ass.
Well at least it shows that they're willing to investigate at least some election interference claims.
Is there a strict, rigorous definition of interference?
Wrong Mike. For a moment I thought you were Laursen shilling for the left.
Which I don't do.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh of the day, Laursen. You shill for the left day in and day out here.
Last Christmas, when Mike visited his parents his mom started jabbing him with a metal wire. Mike asked what she was doing. She replied, “This is something I should have done a long time ago.”
Dad and older brother ran and got their own hangers screaming "we'll help."
Wife heard muttering under her breath "about damn time."
cite?
I can provide examples of you doing so.
Like with racism, some interference is good, if done by and for the right people.
We know Trump is innocent of bribery, because there was probable cause for bribery, Liberal4Ever, Kirkland, and the Ephebophile would have already written so.
It's like you were reading my mind an hour into the future!
"Referring to someone by the wrong gender pronoun (he/him, she/her) should be a criminal offense," millennials say in a new poll.
"More George Floyds!" screamed the woke.
Couldn't we just as easily make it a crime to identify as something you are not?
Isn't that already similar to the crime of false marketing? If my rice water identifies as cows milk I can get into a lot of trouble. Whatever happened to the idea that lying is wrong?
Careful, you'll attract retarded nazis.
Today- new indictment forthcoming
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he has been told he is a target in the Jan. 6 criminal investigation by special counsel Jack Smith.
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Smith already has criminally charged Trump with about two dozen crimes related to retaining classified documents when he left the White House.
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Trump also suggested he may soon face indictment for the Jan. 6 probe, which is focused on Trump’s efforts to overturn his loss in the 2020 election to President Joe Biden. Trump posted his statement on his Truth Social account.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/18/trump-says-special-counsel-told-him-hes-a-target-in-jan-6-probe.html
Banana-republic Buttplug see's nothing wrong with harrassment and frivolous charges against the leading opposition candidate.
What. No update on more Hunter information like FBI admitted they were tipping him and his lawyers off to warrants and interviews?
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
(emphasis added)
I thought the probe was whether or not he planned or prepared the Capitol riot. How are attempts to overturn the 2020 election a crime?
Of course, your side has absolutely no problem with Kevin Clinesmith's perjury, nor the misconduct by the FBI, to lend credence to the Cunt's®™ (legally known as Hillary Rodham Clinton) "Trump Colluded with the Russians®™ to Steal the 2016 Election" Big Lie.
Is your keyboard sticky from you spanking it to underage porn?
And, one more thing
Fuck Joe Biden
I don't give a shit about Joe Biden. I am a true independent like Ayn Rand. Also like Ayn Rand I don't like conservatives.
He is not even up to the low standard of mediocrity.
Don't make me laugh. You are nothing like Ayn Rand. You're a Democrat in libertarian clothing.
A Democrat in a clown suit driving an ice cream truck.
He brings this up a lot yet it is obvious from him that he knows only a single quote by her, but doesn't understand what it meant or even the context.
He also fails to realize his savior Soros would be a classic Rand villain.
Do you fantasize that people believe your bullshit? In between the fantasies involving children, or course.
"But the purpose of criminal law isn't to punish people for being jerks, and it's a perverted society that thinks everything offensive or bad must be criminalized."
"44 percent of 25- to 34-year-old respondents in favor"
"Some 38 percent of 35- to 44-year-old"
"Some 33 percent of 18- to 24-year-old"
...ENB and zoomers with the most reasonable take? WTF is going on in the world
…ENB and zoomers with the most reasonable take? WTF is going on in the world
This is a misinterpretation: "Adult-aged children and 18-24 yr. olds declare themselves to be the most correct among themselves."
Good for you ENB, and Zoomers. [head pat]
There's at least some circumstantial evidence that zoomers may be less woke than the millennials. I suspect it has something to do with falling birth rates amongst the woke crowd compared to higher birth rates among conservatives. Plus since the left pretty much owns the institutions and the culture, the counter-culture will be more libertarian and perhaps even conservative instead of progressive left. IOW, if you want to be a "rebel," become more right leaning. Especially if you want to piss off your prog-tard parents and teachers.
Watching my own Zoomer kids, it is pretty clear that they are fed up with Millenial bullshit. That said, they are not conservative by any stretch of the imagination. They are just cynical af.
If you think about it, most Zoomers are not the children of Millenials because most adults are having kids later in life. But Millenials *are* the arrogant teachers they have been growing up with- entitled, incompetent, and simultaneously tyranical and intolerant. Millenials also dominate online culture- they were the first "always on" adults who were already there with their memes and culture when the Zoomers arrived in bulk. Zoomers see these self-righteous, grown babies that complain about "adulting" and think every classroom is their own live action instagram feed, and want nothing of it. Indeed they actively resist it.
Watching my own Zoomer kids, it is pretty clear that they are fed up with Millenial bullshit.
Same here.
And the millennials who are having kids are very conservative.
It occurred to me that most millennials were out of highschool and college before the tranny insanity infected the system. Gen Z on the other hand had to personally put up with it. Maybe a reason they are a little more cynical.
Ackshuyally, I've seen adults as old as Boomers with T-shirts complaining about "adulting," so this pathology is beyond specific generations. Recall also, Boomers were the ones who brought us the idea of "The Inner Child."
Older Zoomers (assuming they aren't just 2nd stage Millenials) are mostly the children of Gen X. Really depends on how you define it. For me - if you were of age to have your K-12 schooling experience significantly disrupted to protect theoretical grandparents and middle-aged teachers you count.
They are still woke af comparatively, just maybe a little more open to trying to find a compromise. My Zoomer has trans friends but agrees sports should be separate and that surgery/hormones should be for adults because you can't stop them from doing unhealthy things legally.
You put ANY poll in front of people and you will get at least 25% if favor, regardless of what it is. So the 33% is encouraging meaning that it's essentially only 8% of the 18-24 year olds who want this. The Millennials want to fuck us over without the courtesy of a reach around, but at least the Zoomers seem somewhat reasonable. Oh wait, they're not all out of college yet. Indoctrination still ongoing. We are doomed. DOOMED!
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
FOADIAF.
What did the fire ever do to you?
"Millennials Want To Make Misgendering a Crime"
LOL
#LibertarianMoment
Yeah, welcome to the future. If we are extremely lucky, the penalized will swing and the next generation won't be as harshly indoctrinated.
But my hope is minimal at this point.
Seems much more likely like the penalized will be modified to prevent swinging.
Won't the penalized be required to swing? It's the best way to disabuse them of those notions of the "atomic family" and other quaint, barbaric value systems.
The obese groomers on here want that atomic family to be Fat Man and Little Boy.
No, if were lucky, the enforcers of this in every generation will swing as well as asphyxiate, fry, perforate, and nourish the worms.
Speaking of libertarian moments, your favorite former Reason contributor, Noah Berlatsky, is back in the news:
https://notthebee.com/article/shocker-bloombergs-criticism-of-the-movie-sound-of-freedom-was-written-by-a-map-minor-attracted-persons-advocate
NB has gotta be more embarrassing to Reason than Shikha ever was.
I always thought he was Reason Magazine five years in the future.
Wtf, surely someone realized how bad a look it would be to publish an article from this guy on this subject. Do they have no quality control?
Fuck me. Noah Berlatsky sounds like a piece of work. Are we sure he isn't Pluggo?
Ah, Berlatsky.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-berlatsky-doctrine-hurt-feelings-justify-civil-rights-violations.740191/
I wonder if he was caught stalking schoolgirls yet.
This link does not work.
Because of course it did.
FBI headquarters tipped Hunter off, prevented interview
"The agent confirmed key portions of the IRS whistleblowers’ testimony, including that both Secret Service headquarters and the Biden transition team were tipped off about the planned Hunter Biden interview.
In fact, on the day of the Hunter Biden interview, FEDERAL AGENTS WERE TOLD TO STAND BY AND TO NOT APPROACH HUNTER BIDEN— they had to wait for his call. As a result of the change in plans, IRS and FBI criminal investigators never got to interview Hunter Biden as part of the investigation."
Doesn't matter. The whole issue is that they prevented the prosecution of a open and shut case. There is no reason to not do the exact same thing again, and just refuse to prosecute any of the malfience from the first go around.
LOOK! OVER THERE! HUNTER BIDEN!
You left out "PENIS!"
For Pluggo, a small omission.
Maybe what, a whole 2 inches worth?
turd is the ass-clown of the commentariat and he lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
AMERICAN ABORTO-FREAK POLICE STATE UPDATE!
Tennessee AG asserts right to out-of-state abortion, transgender care medical records
Jonathan Skrmetti joins 18 GOP counterparts in contesting a proposed federal rule protecting reproductive health records
https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/07/18/tennessee-ag-asserts-right-to-out-of-state-abortion-transgender-care-medical-records/
YOU DUMBASS WOMEN HAVE NO PRIVACY AND YOU CAN'T HIDE IN ANOTHER STATE!
THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY IS NOT IN THE GODDAMN CONSTITUION BOYS! NOWERE!
Federalist Society
I forgot. Are the "ABORTO-FREAK" the ones for or against late term abortion and infanticide?
Why should you care? They're too old and not your type.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Could it have been a mistake for you Democrats to convince RBG she was some kind of living god?
Maybe that went to her head. Maybe she started to believe she was immortal. Maybe that's why an elderly 47-pound cancer patient didn't step down when Obama would have named her replacement. 🙂
#RBGsArroganceKilledRoeVWade
Justices weren't supposed to have giant egos.
But now that they are all "activist judges" who make law from the bench and vacation like rock stars they do.
#AllScotusJusticesAreActivistNow
The Gary Glitter style vacations are usually reserved for Soros and Media Matters fanboys.
Uncle Clarence has had his hand out for over 20 years.
GIMME DAT WHITIE MONEY!
That fucking cop lover.
Push him hard enough, and Pluggo always falls back to overt racism.
In some countries, those caught sharing cp are executed. Do you think this is the appropriate punishment?
Man. Racism before lunch today. Good work shrike. You democrats hate a black man who thinks for themselves.
Democrats, telling negroes what to do since 1827.
Remember that turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Turd is an ephebophilic creep as well.
Is it any wonder schoolgirls keep their thighs shut whenever he is around?
In addition to his Simping for Soros and his fondness for child porn, Buttface is also a Raging Racist.
Also a misogynist and a liar. But other than all that he’s just below average.
Speaking of misogynists, Jeffy decided to join the party, below.
ROFL
March 2016: Dear Everyone Who Said Ruth Bader Ginsburg Should Retire: You Were Wrong
"The Texas abortion case before the Supreme Court is just further proof that the justice knew what she was doing."
#IWonderIfCosmoReadersStillAgree
Why do you claim you're not a Democrat when you push all their narratives?
It's an attempt (albeit feeble) to move the Overton window.
"But the purpose of criminal law isn't to punish people for being jerks"
No, the purpose of criminal law is to punish those who defy the tribe and the church. Just ask any human from the past 100,000 years.
Think ENB is on the cusp of maybe realizing justice has been weaponized by the left?
Haha, good one.
You left off the "and that's a good thing" that will come with such a realization/admission.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/17/lisa-murkowski-threatens-to-leave-republican-party-and-join-democrats-several-republican-senators-including-thune-romney-cornyn-and-young-agree/
“There are an astonishing number of people in my state who believe the election was stolen,” said one Republican senator who requested anonymity to talk about the growing popularity of conservative conspiracy theories at home.
[…] Republican senators say they are alarmed at how many Republicans, including those with higher levels of education and income, buy the unsubstantiated claims that the last presidential election was stolen.
A second Republican senator who spoke with The Hill said the growing strength of radical populism “makes it a lot more difficult to govern, it makes it difficult to talk to constituents.”
“There are people who surprise me — I’m surprised they have those views. It’s amazing to me the number of people, the kind of people who think the election was stolen,” the lawmaker said. “I don’t want to use this word but it’s not just a ‘red-neck’ thing. It’s people in business, the president of a bank, a doctor.”
[…] Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) pushed back on calls to defund the Justice Department, telling reporters: “Are we going to get rid of the Justice Department? No. I think defunding is a really bad idea.”
But he said “that stuff comes and goes and it’s built around personalities,” alluding to the broadly held view that Trump’s election to the presidency in 2016 and his lasting influence over the party has put his brand of populism at the forefront.
[…] Senate Republicans tried to wave off their House colleagues from advancing articles of impeachment authored by Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) against President Biden and rolled their eyes at Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s (R-Ga.) attempt to expunge Trump’s impeachment record.
So, does Murkowski think think she has a lot in common with the squad?
The big winners of recent economic trends are precisely those groups that had been left out in preceding decades: "The rise in wages was particularly strong among workers under 40 years of age and without a college degree."
Damned MAGA deplorables!
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1681299842902130689?t=_g-FTrmn9jAoJUkZN_f6Ow&s=19
BREAKING: Trump has been notified that he is the target of the Grand Jury investigation into J6, expects to be indicted and arrested.
[Link]
I truly believe the Biden admin, and the left in general, want a civil war. How many times can you persecute a popular candidate prior to an election and not expect an actual insurrection?
This is banana republic tactics.
They don't want a civil war.
They don't respect us because they think we're all pussies.
Stop coping with "tHeY wAnT rEaCtIoN" bullshit.
Learn what time it is.
This, there is going to be no reaction that can actually result in consequences, so why would they make plans that there will be?
I have to disagree. The over-the-top media/gov't reaction to J6 is an indicator of what is expected, and a direct message for anyone who dares a repeat-type event. It is exactly a "they want reaction" scenario.
Then they need to be careful of what they wish for. If they want a civil war, it's one they will probably lose, and lose big. The left always overestimates and overstates its support.
Appropriate.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
I truly believe the Biden admin, and the left in general, want a civil war.
No, I want the motherfucker in prison for Jan 6.
Osama bin Laden didn't personally fly the planes on 9/11. But he was the ringleader. Same with 1/6.
And you should be in prison for child pornography. Turn yourself in, asshole.
FEET WERE ON PELOSI’s DESK!!!!
"No, I want the motherfucker in prison for Jan 6."
Buttplug wants him in jail because he's the opposition candidate, because the only people inciting J6 were the DHS and FBI.
Pluggo's deadly incitement:
“Go home with love and peace, remember this day forever“ - Donald J Trump
You have zero proof that Trump was the ringleader of 1/6.
Of course, you had absolutely no objection to 5/29. Why is that?
And is your keyboard sticky from spanking it to underage porn?
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
He is also an ephebophile who posted dark web links to underage porn.
His keyboard must be sticky.
What EXACTLY did Trump say that caused 1/6.
Verbatim quotes, Benito.
The New Censorship: How the establishment Left embraced government control of digital speech.
TRUMP/KENNEDY 2024?
Guerrero: RFK Jr.’s left-wing appeal in L.A. is no joke.
"His base is nowhere near large enough to secure him the nomination, but his campaign does pose a threat to a Biden reelection because it stokes left-wing distrust in democracy. Believe it or not, liberals and conservatives are converging in conspiracism."
No chance that's because they're not theories but actual occurance?
Well, Progs can be just as stupid as Cons about "EVIL CORPORASHUNS".
Of course corporations are "evil" for vastly different reasons but the intersection is well marked.
You're active this morning. Do an eight ball with Hunter and his penis this morning?
I think one of the other 50-centers called in sick today, so he is pulling double duty.
What happened, Jeffy pull a muscle while taking a dump?
"Of course corporations are “evil” for vastly different reasons"
Like when Soros deliberately forced a run on the pound?
And shrike in this post admits he is a fascist. Desiring the government of Mussolini.
Which is damn funny after yesterday where he kept claiming the actual definition of fascism was wrong.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.
The Democratic leadership sowed distrust in democracy with their "Trump Colluded with the Russians®™ to Steal the 2016 Election" propaganda campaign.
Imagine saying democracy can be defeated by a few hundred thousand dollars worth of Facebook ads.
The Excuse for Dropping White House Cocaine Case Is a Slap to Our Intelligence
https://twitter.com/jakeshieldsajj/status/1681211572600061953?t=agtfIuM2utdQj1ShmubLXA&s=19
Literally pedophiles are writing negative reviews for the Sound of Freedom
[Link]
Yeah, Berlatsky's one of the most notorious rad-left deviants out there. "Portnoy's Complaint" is basically his holy book.
Biden’s FTC Punished Twitter For Seceding From The Censorship Complex
"The Federal Trade Commission inappropriately pressured an independent third-party auditing firm to find Twitter had violated the terms of its settlement agreement with the FTC, a motion filed last week in federal court reveals."
Seem's pretty damning, but it is a California court, so I'm not holding my breath that anything will happen.
California has an actual law against discrimination based on politics. Very dusty though.
In this particular case, criminalizing misgendering would also run into First Amendment concerns. Forcing someone to use particular pronouns under threat of criminal penalty would be government-compelled speech, which our Constitution frowns upon.
Great. The libertarian response to proposals for the criminalization of what is unquestionably free speech is ambivalent sarcasm. This is actually worse than staying silent on the topic.
"Yeah, we noticed the creeping authoritarianism of the left but pushing back gets the alphabet crowd all twitterpated. Look! Defenseless babies!"
The most important thing is to not get involved in the culture war and not push back against it.
"Fucking free speech absolutists! I bet those rotten bastards would defend the Klan's right to march!"
Yeah, don't think so.
20 years ago I figured to just let the scared shitless crowd scream for security "please do something, anything!!!" and that cooler heads would dither around and we'd get back to living.
I was dead wrong, and now we have the TSA, TWIC, thousands dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are even further from an effective border and immigration scheme than before.
If it looks like a guy, it's He; if it looks like a woman, it's She. If it pulls down it's pants, then I"ll refer to it according to the plumbing that I see. (Not that I really want to get to that point. But just saying, that's the acid test on this one, pure and simple.) Don't get bent out of shape if I call 'em as I see 'em.
How is that shocking?
I should probably get used to it, but I'm a bit shocked at how many people have a very low regard for the principle of free speech.
I’m not. Look at how many libertarians even supported censorship on social media.
The left has been screaming about the violence and harm if speech for over a decade.
They literally just applauded a jury for saying Trump didn’t rape a woman but giving the accuser 1.5M for Trump saying he didn’t rape her.
Insicted hundreds of non violent protestors with threats of 20 years the last 3 years.
Or the very high regard for the probability of not being punched in the face.
The media's underhanded practices and getting called out on your own personal delusions sucks, but not as much as having the same done to you after getting sucker punched in the gut and kicked in the ribs.
The left tried to make a ministry of truth, and it seems the only lesson they learned from it was "oh we need to not advertise it next time", as they and their democrat supporters are lamenting Biden admin getting wrist slapped for directly meddling with social media companies to curtail private speech.
They loudly support going after 'misinformation' and continue to treat it as an existential threat, one that must be stamped out by any means necessary.
Hostility toward the 1A is pretty much a party platform for them now
This is what you get from pseudo-libertarians. Feigned surprise over something that actual libertarians have been railing about for years.
What should have been written was, "An unsurprisingly significant percentage of younger survey respondents, failed by activist teachers and corrupt institutions, do not understand or appreciate the plain language in the Bill of Rights."
"“An unsurprisingly significant percentage of younger survey respondents, failed by activist teachers and corrupt institutions, do not understand or appreciate the plain language in the Bill of Rights.”"
Honestly, probably would have been the title on Spiked
Texas University Offers Degrees in ‘Victim Studies’
"The Department of Victim Studies is the very first in the nation! In this department, students have the opportunity to work with faculty who are passionate about issues pertaining to victimization and care about sharing that interest and their knowledge with students."
Isn't that supposed to be a joke department name?
Originally.
Can't outfuck Clown World, Zeb.
Countdown until the first trans-lesbian BIPOC fails out of the program and schools them on Victim Studies:
10...
9...
8...
"Teaching victim studies has ties to white supremacy!"
Reading further down on the page, it sounds like it's actually about actual crime victims as opposed to imaginary "victims:"
So maybe not as bullshit as it first appears.
Yeah, wasn't nearly as bad as I had expected. Anything with "studies" in the name is automatically suspect.
Anything with “studies” in the name is automatically suspect.
As well it should be.
Should have learned that one 40 years ago when they renamed History / Geography into "Social Studies" (or worse, "Social Sciences").
"Social sciences" I have less of a problem with. The term has been around for a pretty long time and seems like a decent category name for things like psychology, anthropology and economics (corrupt as they may be in practice today I think those are legitimate areas of research and study).
They should have called it criminal victims studies then.
Anything coming out of the universities is bullshit these days. Something like this, which is completely unnecessary as an academic department, is set up primarily to benefit a professor who needs to nudge up their retirement pay and burnish their CV.
"Referring to someone by the wrong gender pronoun (he/him, she/her) should be a criminal offense,"
So what should be the punishment for those who call men women, and who call women men?
Strip them of their rainbow flag (cultural appropration, by the way)?
Force them to wear a scarlet letter (M or F) to identify biological reality?
Ban them from any job involving teaching of anything at any level?
Re-education camps.
The proposal is bullshit, but so is the notion that the Rainbow is cultural appropriation.
If it has no ™, ®, or ©, and a God don't bring his ass, it is Public Domain.
The gays culturally appropriated the Rainbow from the Orkans. That was Mork's signature look.
Nanu nanu.
The faster increase in wages of the lower/middle class continues a trend started with Trump.
From the article:
"Even after accounting for inflation, Autor shows, the bottom quarter of American workers has seen a significant boost in income for the first time in years. "
From Jerome Powell press conference 12/14/2022
"CHAIR POWELL. So the—I would go back to the labor market that we had in 2018, ’19, ’20. So, what that looked like was, wage increases for the people at the lowest end of the income spectrum were the largest. The gaps between racial groups and gender groups were at
their smallest in recorded history."
Autor isn't paying attention to current history. This isn't the "first time in years," but a continuation of the trend started under Trump (sorry haters, but give credit where credit is due) post-pandemic.
"...(sorry haters, but give credit where credit is due)..."
It's spelled "TDS-addled shits"
When the virologists lied, science died
"New email proves Dr. Anthony Fauci knew in early 2020 that China was running risky coronavirus research and a lab leak had likely caused the epidemic; why didn't he come clean?"
For the same reason he used orphans who couldn't concent in aids research, he is a purely evil sub human
Reference please?
Not disputing, but I want to have that one in my files for the next time Saint Anthony is mentioned.
Found something, not quite sure what to make of it all yet. From 2005:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aids-drugs-tested-on-foster-kids/
Government-funded researchers tested AIDS drugs on hundreds of foster children over the past two decades, often without providing them a basic protection afforded in federal law and required by some states, an Associated Press review has found.
The research funded by the National Institutes of Health spanned the country. It was most widespread in the 1990s as foster care agencies sought treatments for their HIV-infected children that weren't yet available in the marketplace.
Close enough.
This is the action of a politician who might not be doing anything statutorily illegal, but clearly outside the clear intent of all sorts of requirements that he certainly was aware of.
I think the poll result on migendering is just a matter of, ask a stupid question, get stupid.
Agree here.
That would imply an enormous gap in intelligence based on age, which does not exist. It is the result of indoctrination in schools. They don't teach basic civics anymore in favor of woke bullshit.
Add to that: most young-uns think the government should enforce the cause of their day. As we age, our run-ins with government/bureaucracy and watching our way of life fade away teach us different.
One of my favorites is all the mandatory recycling initiatives where the governments end up plowing it into landfills anyway or shipping it to China because those governments are too fucking stupid and lazy to process it. Then they blame the recyclers for "contaminating the waste stream". "Your oily pizza box made us ship garbage overseas!"
Yeah, that's the way it goes. They don't do their job, which is making a workable system, so they have to blame the consumer.
Most studies have shown marginal benefit from the whole process. Aluminum is super recyclable. That's a winner there. However, the rest? Recycled paper products make pretty low grade new paper products. Plastics all have to downcycle. Glass is almost as energy intensive as making glass new. It might be a positive, I don't know for sure.
Add in all the extra energy and expense of collecting different curbside recyclables and many types are a net loss from the perspective of the "carbon dioxide is pollution" crowd. Yet it never changes. Some places keep adding more and more bins and expecting you to further sort, doubling down on dogmatic principle.
Nobody wants to admit that MOST recycling is a waste. It isn't even a problem with environmental degradation. In the US, where we have good landfills and garbage collection, we don't pollute waterways, we don't shove straws up turtles' noses. The pacific plastic patch is 90% from a couple of rivers in Asia.
In my county they make us rinse clean our glass bottles to recycle. Then it was discovered that they were just dumping the glass in the landfill for the past decade. Once outed, they asked us to continue in the event they might start recycling glass. Our water bill is collected with the county's property taxes BTW.
Ex-Energy Official Sam Brinton was on Tax-Payer Funded Secret Trip at Time of Luggage Theft
How about we vet people for high positions in government instead of relying on diversity?
I mean you assume that the job actually matters. We're in rule by bureaucrat on a fed level. The guy in charge not doing his job isn't going to affect the department as a whole.
Yeah, that freak was put in place strictly for the “diversity” flex as a figurehead and demoralization tactic. His purpose was to flounce around in dresses, makeup, and dog collars so the progressives could thump their zipper tits about how "inclusive" the administration was being. Most of the actual work is being done by the office drones.
He’s being prosecuted specifically because he isn’t enough of a political insider with The Party, and because his name isn’t Hunter Biden.
...thump their zipper tits...
This ruined my monitor.
Skipping the "it didn't happen" stage and going straight to "it happened but it's not as bad you think."
We have some people at work who made comments such as "if people dont wear their mask, maybe they should be locked up, or at least be fined" and "if you dont get vaccinated, you shouldnt be allowed to go to the store/restaurant/office" during the height of the pandemic mass psychosis...
so I dont think we have to give any benefit of the doubt to the people answering "yes, criminalize", this is absolutely the way younger and left leaning people think now, and it should concern everyone
It all boils down to the corruption of language. If Marxist ideologues could change the meaning of "marriage", they figure they can certainly change the meaning of "man".
To criminalize thoughts, they are leveraging the central concept of criminality, that arrest and prosecution require actually "committing an offense" and conflating it with "committing offense". It works. Just last week, the DOJ and a federal judge added a sentencing enhancement for terrorism to a 54 year-old lady music teacher who was at the J6 protests. Her free speech was the justification used to transform her act of protest into an act of terrorism.
To be clear, they really don't care what thoughts get criminalized as long as it causes strife within a large portion of the population. They support culture wars, race wars, drug wars, wars on crime, wars on poverty, border wars, and actual world war. The primary goal is revolution which leads to the inevitable fall of capitalism. That end justifies any means.
I don't blame Marxism for changing the definition of marriage, I blame the 19th century Romantic movement that turned it from an alliance between two families for the purpose of raising the next generation while providing for the elder into something you do because of Eros.
I do. Obergfell was the perfect opportunity and argument to get government out of marriage. Instead they used it to convince the SCOTUS to moot the 10th amendment.
The more generations I see behind me the more insane our country has become. I cannot imagine how this country will change when the seniors of today are gone. Common sense and even a minimum understanding of right and wrong is disappearing.
Well, to some degree, age brings wisdom. Not in all cases, but in some percentage. I am much less credulous than I was in my early twenties.
If you live long enough, you’ll start seeing how much contradictory bullshit there is. So as this generation ages, they’re going to be less likely to buy into every narrative.
It won’t be true for everyone, of course, but as people age they do start appreciating the value of having consistent principles. The oldest demographics will almost always be the most skeptical.
i think every generation has something they are stupid and wrong about. often the younger generations are overcompensating for previous stupidity and swinging the balance to the opposite stupidity. a few generations ago, lots of people thought it was cool to force people with a different skin color to use separate businesses. (not through free association, but actual government edict.) today we have safe spaces where people with the other skin color are not allowed. it isn't really getting worse, we just have not found the happy medium between the opposing wrongs.
a few generations ago, lots of people thought it was cool to force people with a different skin color to use separate businesses.
How can you be that oblivious and still remember to breathe. Until the late 20th century, the science did not exist to prove that differences in race were superficial. Nobody thought that racism was cool. Dehumanization based on race has always been about securing economic advantage for ones own culture.
It is not opposing wrongs. It is the exact same wrong wielded for the exact same purpose. The glorification of "diversity" is racism.
i think you are missing the forest for the trees.
Your comment is devoid of any context or meaning. I take it as a signal that you disagree with me but lack the capacity to demonstrate that you are not a fucking idiot.
Other things Millennials would like to criminalize:
Student loan debt collection
Bad weather on vacation
Rent
Mean tweets
Show me on the mobile device where orangemanbad mean tweeted you.
Vacations? I was led to believe Millennials had given up vacations in order to save the earth from pollution caused by unnecessary travel.
You have to understand the elite retard mind, and their ability to meld cognitive dissonance with special privilege. Just like Greta.
Commies. Same shit, different decade.
The peasants always need to sacrifice so the select elite insiders can have the privileges they swear need to be banned to benefit all.
Tale as old as time
Well, as old as Rousseau, anyway.
Not likely as they don't want to be personally affected. Look at how they screamed when their IPhones wouldn't charge during certain times during the day.
Just say no to pronouns. No pronouns, no "misgendering." Problem solved.
It would also rectify some language ambiguity. E.g., 'Pat and Morgan visited their friend.'
Close. It should read. "Pat and Morgan visited friend." Thier has connotations of ownership - which is racist.
This Pat?
https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/tydslMVgc6DpEvwYT0MWW9byL1a.jpg
Pat's friend was Chris.
Ehhhhhhhh.
Sir, you might be on to something!
Or if someone lists their pronouns refer to them only as fag
Queer should be on ONLY orientation and gender.
is the only way.
Unfortunately the purpose of the criminal law is to avenge the offended king.
Criminal law is a bizarre institution when you look at it analytically. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any realistic way to replace its unequal combat, individual vs. sovereign, nature with any other way to deter those individuals who are certain kinds of jerk. And the deterrent function is the only one of the several claimed for it that I can justify.
Not that civil law makes that much sense, but criminal law is mind-boggling.
Is there a strict, rigorous definition of "interference"?
Pointing out illegal votes tends to meet the bar. Because that's what trumps team did.
Misgendering a person is not a crime, but it is rude. As with any number of other social norms there is an attempt to replace civil behavior with laws. Perhaps this is because we are two often stepping out of the lane of civil behavior, leaving people to think there is no recourse other than laws. Whether a person is religious or not, a logical person should be able to appreciate the golden rule and to treat others as you yourself would like to be treated.
Which is why transwomen should do the polite thing and use bathrooms that correspond to their sex right? Golden rule, they don't want to share a bathroom with people that make them feel uncomfortable, so they should treat women the same way they want to be treated and not force women to share a bathroom with people that make them feel uncomfortable.
Or does your cries about politeness and Golden Rule mysteriously dry up the second they don't support your preconceived conclusion?
Trump believes he won the election so M4E needs to be civil and call him the president.
well it doesnt count, because that woman in the locker room that didn't want the 6 foot+ tall dude with his schlong waving around was clearly a bigot who does wrong-think, so we SHOULD make her feel uncomfortable.
Trans people are the Right-People (TM) and are stunning and brave, so we have to cater to their feelings. Also anyone who is a trans ally. But not the phobes.
Make sense?
just so you know..... what you suggest would mean people who look like men walking into the ladies room. how comfortable do you think that would make everyone feel? (since your comfort seems to be all you care about.)
Well, if they're women (you know, vaginas and XX chromosomes), then it's no issue, no matter how she is dressed. If it's got a dick and balls, it doesn't belong there.
do you often check the genitalia of people in the bathroom? all you would see is someone with facial hair and the appearance of a man walking into the bathroom and entering a stall.
i often wonder about people obsessed with those who pee in the "wrong" place. WTF is wrong with you all that you think it is common for people in the ladies room to check out each other's vaginas?
I think the ladies in the ladies restroom will figure it out, even without a check.
even if they do..... it comes after the uncomfortable moment when what looks like a man walks in. if your fragile comfort is what you are trying to protect, then you already failed.
if you mind your own fucking business and let them pee where they want it only becomes uncomfortable if they are not convincing at all. (which means they stand out and it is an issue no matter what bathroom they are in.) instead, you ass clowns think it is a good idea to create an uncomfortable situation every single time they need to pee by forcing them into a bathroom that you only know is correct if you check their junk out.
A woman who looks more or less convincingly like a man can use the men's room and no one will care. A woman who is obviously a woman can use the men's room and very few would care. Men going into the women's room is a different matter. Men and women are not the same and interchangeable. A woman in the men's room is not the kind of intrusion and threat that a man in the women's room is.
"A woman who looks more or less convincingly like a man can use the men’s room and no one will care."
then why do you want to force her to use the ladies room where people will care? that is the question. unless it is common to do genital inspections in the ladies room, it looks like a man walking into the ladies room.
"Men going into the women’s room is a different matter."
not really. if anything, it is even less of an issue who has what genitals because there are no urinals..... only stalls with doors.
"A woman in the men’s room is not the kind of intrusion and threat that a man in the women’s room is."
someone going pee is not a threat at any time under any circumstances. we are not talking about men going into the ladies room to assault anyone. (already illegal no matter what gender the assaulter is.) we are talking about people who want to pee without making a spectacle of it all. (and again, since you all seem to be slow..... you are the ones trying to put someone who looks like a man in the ladies room.)
You are out of touch with reality.
I wonder how the poll would change if a Red State made it criminal to refer to someone as a "White racist supremacist" or a "fascist" if the target asked them to please stop doing so?
What crime did he allegedly commit?
It is also rude to lie about being moderate when you’re a far left activist.
As for the Golden rule... i don't demand others participate with mental illness.
Misgendering a person is not a crime, but it is rude.
Go fuck yourself. Is it rude to deny that you hear the voices in a schizophrenic's head? No. It is reality.
If and when I choose to associate with a trans-person, I will show them the respect that they deserve based on the respect they show me.
Just a quick reminder that Ellen Page started thinking she was a dude after being sexually molested as a child actress, and literally hearing a voice in her head that told her if she cut her tits off, she wouldn't have to worry about that anymore.
I guess Page wrote a book. From what was shared in the article Spiked wrote about it, the language Page used to describe puberty and sexuality was grossly disturbed and indicative of serious mental illness. To the point that it feels exploitative for the editors to have published it. I can't imagine anyone surviving that level of self-loathing.
Pretty much any parent putting their kid through the Hollywood ringer (even if they worked in their satellites in Canada, like Page) should be brought up on charges of child abuse at this point.
The vast majority of these kids would turn out perfectly normal as adults if they didn't have to perform like circus monkeys for lecherous studio heads and producers.
That wasn't rational. Many men in Hollywood prefer boys.
Misgendering a person is not a crime, but it is rude.
So, to be clear, in order of most preferred to least preferred by you:
1. Quietly not telling you to cram it up your ass sideways *or* address you by the wrong gender, but otherwise acting to thwart you at every turn even though I say I’m not; whether I’m even aware of how polite or rude it is or not.
2. Telling you to cram it up your ass sideways using the correct gender.
3. Telling you to cram it up your ass sideways using the incorrect gender.
I don’t want to offend you. I’m just trying to get a clear bead on exactly what the lowest level of your stupidity is.
Whether a person is religious or not, a logical person should be able to appreciate the golden rule and to treat others as you yourself would like to be treated.
"Moderates" usually employ this tactic as a euphemism for giving in to whatever political fad the left is on about these days.
How about your side simply deal with the fact that not everyone needs to indulge a bunch of mentally ill TQ+++ freaks who insist that society bend to the latest oppressed class trend they've happened to latch on to?
so what your saying is that religion only matters to you when (you "think") it gives you an excuse to be an asshole.
bet your mom didn't teach you "please" and "thank you," either. those are such a huge burden on people to "indulge" others.
Please shut the fuck up. Thank you! 🙂
What I'm saying is that you should stop fanning your face over my criticism of mentally ill attention whores who want society to enable their delusions.
If I were to become delusional to that degree, I'd like people who care about me to try to disabuse me of those delusions.
I’d like people who care about me to try to disabuse me of those delusions.
When I was younger, I really liked Terry Gilliam's The Fisher King and watched it multiple times. I was all in on the Grail legend and Robin Williams performance was mesmerizing. I tried to watch it recently and I couldn't finish.
It is rare to see mental illness that realistically depicted anymore. There is no glory in "neurodivergence". It is pitiful. It is an ugly transvestite laying in shit begging to be trampled by a horse. It is painful and horribly embarrassing and often impossible to overcome.
Mental illness should not be hidden in the attic, but celebrating it is an insult to those who suffer.
"Mental illness should not be hidden in the attic, but celebrating it is an insult to those who suffer."
Well said.
>>Misgendering a person is not a crime, but it is rude.
entirely more appropriate to lie to people who need help.
does being an asshole really help them?
getting them help helps them. except the pysch my nephew got sent to ushered him into niece-hood so I suppose it's questionable.
Offering reality-based help to sexually confused kids is now practically illegal. It's career-ending for a therapist to offer anything other than a path to "transitioning".
how does being an asshole get them help?
but you don't really care at all about getting them help or what is best for them. even when they do get help you want to be an asshole and declare the psychologists are not as smart as you.
Pandering to the delusions of a mentally ill person is being an asshole.
psychologists are not as smart as you.
I know of no evidence that psychologists are smarter than other educated people. I do know that having PhD or MD after your name does not mean that you are ethical or moral, that your philosophical beliefs are correct, that you are intellectually honest or courageous, or that you are not self-interested at the expense of others. On the contrary, the medical and psychological professions have a long and ugly history of atrocities and of serving the wrong side in historic conflicts. They do not get, and don't deserve, the final word on their own conduct.
Doctors Fauci and Mengele vehemently disagree with you.
I'm an asshole because I love my nephew. Check.
The former President lost another legal battle and the "Hail Mary" attempt to stop the Georgia indictment failed. A what point in losing do you start thinking of a better strategy, or even just listening to your lawyers.
It's like a RICO indictment in Georgia.
DONNIE IN DEEP SHIT!
Is your keyboard still sticky from spanking it to underage porn?
And one more thing.
Fuck Joe Biden
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
You deserver to die. You fucking totalitarian
https://twitter.com/Antweegonus/status/1681291689955151872?t=oVhwC35hkdlH1g4bUjIhJQ&s=19
The murder of the Romanov family was so absurdly evil that the Soviets spent years denying it happened and didn’t acknowledge the remains’ authenticity until 1989. Lenin personally distanced himself from responsibility
Modern tankies, sadistic beasts they are, recall it with joy
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Almost a century later, they finally say they are tsarry.
Can't blame them for stalin until it was the right time.
They putin an effort to right an historical wrong.
That as it may be, they still get failing marx in my book.
They are hoping it will be forgotten andropov the radar.
Ivan to laugh at that one, but it was just terrible.
Don’t crimea river.
Ural crazy.
Pluggo might be a kidnieper.
Disney left that part out of the movie.
https://twitter.com/OGRolandRat/status/1681251958894592001?t=ZZueJ3tSSr59JbceVhdI6w&s=19
Britain: "Here's the deal: you grow the raw materials, ship them to us under a monopoly contract, we will manufacturer them into finished goods and sell them back to you. Agreed? No? (Holds gun) There's a good lad."
America: "You grow it, you make it, take our money. and jobs."
CA needs all the water storage facilities its got and more. Plus it needs generating capacity for it 'all electric' future, so the wizards running the state thought this was a good idea:
"With one down, Klamath dam removal proceeds on schedule"
[...]
"Removing the Copco 2 Dam takes deconstruction crews one step closer to drawdowns of the remaining three reservoirs next January..."
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/07/16/klamath-dam-removal-copco-2/
HO2 under the bridge.
Dam.
This could open the floodgates allowing more of this.
They may be deluged with negative downstream consequences.
Calling people by their preferred pronouns is certainly the kind thing to do, just as it is to call people by their preferred name or honorific. Conversely, deliberately misgendering someone is a jerk move.
Calling someone who's deliberately misgendered themselves what sex they actually are isn't any more of a jerk move than telling a white person who identifies as Native American that they aren't actually indigenous, or telling a crazy person who says they're the Tsarina of Tokyo that they're not actually the ruler of a sovereign nation would be.
You're actually helping them by indicating that you're not going to play along with their LARP and that they need to get over themselves.
>>"Referring to someone by the wrong gender pronoun (he/him, she/her) should be a criminal offense,"
what reference will be used to define gender in court?
Obligatory.
what'd he say?
he said the Sheriff's near!
>>support for criminalizing misgendering was also strong among older millennials and Gen Z
X receives no invite to the party ...
Eh, we probably wouldn't have shown up anyway.
exactly. but I like the invite.
Hey nice blog Crafting Compelling Narratives: The AI Script Writer's Toolkit : https://simplified.com/ai-script-generator/
We could use it to replace the inane spiel that passes for "writing" here.
Well, they’re definitely in the business of crafting narratives here lately, but I don’t really find them compelling.
What if someone is Chronofluidgender and I call them her 1 minute past male-o'clock? Prison? We will need visible labels.
"Pedophiles are essentially a stigmatized group. Certain people get designated as deviants. People hate them"
"Parents are tyrants. 'parent' is an oppressive class, like rich people or white people"
"Noah Berlatsky is a writer whose work has appeared in CNN Opinion, NBC News Think, the Independent and other outlets."
Hmmm. Its getting pretty bizarre watching the left scream loudly that pedophilia and sexualization is absolutely not happening and is a Qanon conspiracy, and then literally in their next breath simp for actual pedophiles. How many CNN and DNC associated pedos have we shook out in the last year? The count is getting concerning. Weird, haven't seen any pedos found at Fox, Breitbart, Federalist etc recently. Very strange that the seem to be concentrated on a few progressive networks
on a second note, might have found buttplug IRL
"Let’s fact check Biden’s so-called mental decline" - Noah Berlatsky
My thoughts as well. It could be Jeffy, but only if Berlatsky is obese enough.
simp for actual pedophiles
Not just simp for pedophiles but defend no-shit rapist, sex-trafficking pedophiles *in fiction*.
Again, the work Berlatsky is wailing against like an idiot is a work of fiction. It's like Albanians railing against the depictions of Albanians in the movie Taken, not because it's a bad depiction of otherwise virtuous Albanians but because Albanians' just have a different respect for women that involves kidnapping, drugging, and selling them to Arabian princes *and* that's so virtuous that even if you create a work of fiction specifically targeting the evils of fictional foreign sex trafficking, it's you who are morally compromised.
The counterpart would be some pro-family person arguing that Snow White's wicked stepmother poisoning her is just a misunderstood and maligned family dynamic. Sure, there are cases where teens lie and older people are idiots and there are times when parents give their children dubious medical treatments. The respective fictions specifically do not depict those cases and to act like they do is to attempt to obfuscate rape and poisoning/murder.
Again, the work Berlatsky is wailing against like an idiot is a work of fiction.
It offends him, so it feels real.
>>That means that abortion in Iowa is once again legal up to around 22 weeks of pregnancy, at least for now.
the whirring is audible from Dallas.
>>Yet Carlson "was singing a different tune ..."
anyone know Sullum's fave jelly?
Vaseline? KY?
Millennium joke:
Y2KY jelly allowed folks to insert four digits where previously only two would fit.
Lol
ya funny.
"44 Percent of Millennials Want To Make Misgendering a Crime"
Here's another one for the "What could possibly go wrong?" Unintended Consequences series. People have already stopped referring to people by their preferred pronouns. Soon pronouns will be dropped completely from the Oxford Dictionary to avoid misallocation of genders in the English language.
Odds are 90% of the 44% identify as birthing persons.
Eventually the birthing persons will realize they need a shorter word for what they are and they will invent the word woman.
>>#RBGsArroganceKilledRoeVWade
saw this above from Sandra, thought it needed highlighting. this time pride maybe saved some destruction.
RGB was actually a critic of Roe.
not enough a critic of herself though.
“In his ruling, Seidlin wrote that "there are good, honorable and intelligent people—morally, politically and legally—on both sides of this upsetting societal and constitutional dilemma."”
“Good people on both sides” has proven to not be a good equivalency.
"Referring to someone by the wrong gender pronoun (he/him, she/her) should be a criminal offense," millennials say in a new poll.
"The younger generation is fucked." - Every older generation, ever
But this time they can get fucked by someone cosplaying the other gender.
Calling people by their preferred pronouns is certainly the kind thing to do, just as it is to call people by their preferred name or honorific.
So, Liz, if I insisted that all Black people refer to me as “Massa” or “Boss”, you would support me on that?
Conversely, deliberately misgendering someone is a jerk move.
And demanding that the whole world participate in your cosplaying is NOT a "jerk move"?
Or even what would (and should, by their metric) be less offensive, just pull a Dolezal and identify as black if you are white.
It is significantly more reasonable to identify as another race than another sex.
I wonder if ENB would consider black activists "rude" for their treatment of Dolezal. I wonder if those black activists should apologize to her?
Wouldn't identifying as a protected class in order to get special treatment be fraud?
*Lia Thomas on line 1* - no
Liz Warren says “shush.”
And demanding that the whole world participate in your cosplaying is NOT a “jerk move”?
"Stop using the language the way it has been used for... ever... and instead alter your behavior and use of language to appease my fragile emotions!"
Who's the jerk again?
You. You’re always the jerk.
The person demanding the WORLD adapt to their feelings.
Trannies are the most self-obsessed narcissists the world has ever seen. Politicians are not as up their own asses as trannies are.
In his ruling, Seidlin wrote that "there are good, honorable and intelligent people—morally, politically and legally—on both sides of this upsetting societal and constitutional dilemma."
this is the sanest take i've ever read from anyone on either side of this.
Conversely, deliberately misgendering someone is a jerk move.
Deliberately discussing how satellites work with a flat-earther is a "jerk move".
Deliberately mentioning evolution to a young-earth-creationist is a "jerk move"
Deliberately calling a 500 pounder unhealthy is a "jerk move"
Are you suggesting we refer to jeff as transhealthy?
Transintelligent works too.
we know that former Fox News personality Tucker Carlson did not believe
how do you know that he said anything in earnest in any context, before or after?
it was a bit of a leap ... but Sullum.
Phenomenal work by cremieux
https://twitter.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1681124963460284417
"Is American society irredeemably racist against Blacks?
One way to test this is to check if businesses are harmed when their owners are identified as Black people. If society is racist, they should lose clientele.
A new preprint used Yelp's Black-owned business label to test:
Businesses labeled as Black-owned received 36% more page views, 52% more website views, 71% more calls, 34% more orders, and 36% more revenue.
This effect was observed for
- Businesses that claimed they were Black-owned
- Businesses where reviewers noted they were Black-owned"
Are there any spare grand juries left?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/lost-israeli-antiquities-said-to-reemerge-in-trumps-florida-residence/
Israel has discovered that a set of ancient pottery lamps that it lent to the White House for a temporary exhibit in 2019, and which it has been trying to recover, ended up in Mar-a-Lago, the Florida residence of former US president Donald Trump, according to a report Tuesday.
Must be a couple dozen felonies here, at least.
They're being used as emergency night-lights in Mar-a-Lago's bathrooms.
Even my deep blue proggy wife burst out laughing when I told her that mothers are now referred to as birthing persons. And my 13 yo son thinks all this nonbinary tranny pronouns stuff is a load of BS. There is hope.
I think "people who bleed" is also acceptable, to the progs
"Only women bleed"
- Alice Cooper.
Gotta have a bonus hole though.
The reduction of income inequality is good news for the US economy.
Lots of research on this. Here's a review article: https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/effects-income-inequality-economic-growth
Let's look at the sources cited in the stories from our resident right-leaning posters in the top-level comments today:
Twitter account @GOPoversight (explicit Republican Party account)
theconservativetreehouse.com (one of the nuttier right-wing sources)
legalinsurrection.com (a conservative website)
Alex Berenson's substack
Sam Houston State University (in an article about "Victim Studies")
thefederalist.com (a conservative opinion site)
Twitter account @OGRolandRat (some random British dude who seems mildly sympathetic to "alpha male" types like Andrew Tate)
Twitter account @Antweegonus (some guy who seems to dabble in alt-right crap and who laments the murder of the Romanovs?)
With the exception of Berenson, these stories are either explicit Republican Party talking points, or from partisan right-wing opinion pieces, or from random Twitter people who are expressing some odd and heterodox opinions, or in the case of the Sam Houston State University link, to hold it up for ridicule.
Nothing really about presenting an issue from even a both-sides perspective let alone an all-sides perspective.
Are these really the articles that you find to be most newsworthy? Are these the type of sources and people that most fully inform your opinions? If so then I find that to be really quite scary.
the thing about Spelling Bee is it's too easy.
Then you admit you’re a left/far left poster here, masquerading as a libertarian.
So you admit you're a conservative troll who only comes here to fling poo.
The projection is strong with you, Jeffy.
Lying Jeffy on Sunday:
“And this comment illustrates part of the problem that we all find ourselves in. This comment prioritizes tribal loyalty over the search for truth. Jesse is right, Masnick is not a doctrinaire libertarian. That doesn’t mean he can’t be correct.
I would prefer an article that seeks out all sorts of sources of information from all sides. Jesse only wants articles that have tribe-approved sources.”
https://reason.com/2023/07/16/a-win-for-the-first-amendment-and-a-loss-for-partisans-who-want-to-weaponize-censorship/?comments=true#comment-10156330
After saying this on Saturday:
“Gaear Grimsrud posted two stories from rmx.news, one about Ukraine military conscripts, and one about an Antifa activist who committed suicide.
I am expressing concern that by citing all of these alternative ‘news’ sites, including rmx.news, that it opens up the possibility of being misled, either intentionally or unintentionally, by the agenda of those running those sites. In particular, rmx.news sure looks to be a Hungarian government propaganda mill.”
https://reason.com/2023/07/15/rip-anchor-steam-the-san-francisco-brew-that-saved-craft-beer-in-america/?comments=true#comment-10155812
The circle jerk here between los tres amigos, below is stunning.
That's funny. I didn't see that because I muted this guy a while ago because he doesn't argue in good faith. I obviously don't know if this particular website has some agenda but both stories appear to be based on information in the public domain. I'm concerned that CNN is a propaganda arm of the Biden regime and Chemjeff might be misled. But this kind of tedious nonsense is the reason I muted him. By the way there was a commenter a while back named Earnesto Concernado who was often concerned about the events of the day. In some cases his concern was misplaced but his sincerity was never in doubt. In Jeff's case I've reached the opposite conclusion.
Earnest concern is a parody.
LOL, yeah, let's discuss a "Victim's Studies" department from a "both sides" perspective.
Not surprisingly, Legal Insurrection was the website covering the most information about the Oberlin vs. Gibson's Bakery case--which you unsurprisingly took the side of the former and poo-pooed the very detailed coverage.
Now, as then, you indulge in well-poisoning while trying to throw on the robes of a "non-partisan," but there aren't robes big enough to cover your fat ass.
As usual, your anti-rightist tribalism is showing.
It's not 'poisoning the well' to point out empirical facts and trends.
On the other hand, you are the one bringing up a spurious connection to an unrelated matter in order to distract from the main claim.
It’s not ‘poisoning the well’ to point out empirical facts and trends.
Except you employ well-poisoning as a methodology.
On the other hand, you are the one bringing up a spurious connection to an unrelated matter in order to distract from the main claim.
It goes direct to your well-poisoning--LI's reporting on Oberlin didn't match your preferred narrative that Oberlin was being oppressed by an unfair judgement, so you dismissed it as a compromised perspective.
You, like ML, has claimed that you are going to "refute" or oppose whatever it is that I say or do, even if I'm right. So this entire exercise is pointless with you.
It is very clear that you cannot argue against the substance of my argument. So your only resort is to attack me the person. You do this over and over again.
You, like ML, has claimed that you are going to “refute” or oppose whatever it is that I say or do, even if I’m right. So this entire exercise is pointless with you.
You could try being right more often.
Asking for miracles again?
You could try not transferring your petty family grievances onto me.
Seriously, I'm tired of being the object of whatever family dispute you have. If you have some argument with your relative, take it up with him/her. I am not interested in being involved in it. Go away.
I am not taking anything out on you other than my general annoyance with the willfully obtuse. Feel free to mute me and prove you are a petty little bitch. You are obviously not going to win an argument when you refuse to respond.
Oh fuck you. You have said in the past that you have transferred some petty family grievance onto me by arguing against me because you are unable to argue against some relative of yours. Don't do that. I am not your relative and I don't deserve to be treated like that.
That's not what I said then, and it is irrelevant to you being wrong today. Regardless of what you claim, I don't hate you or think you a villain. You are just deflecting from your poor arguments by pretending to be persecuted instead of retiring when you fail to convince others. It is ego protection. I get it.
It is the gist of what you said, and you are treating me like shit because you are transferring your annoyance at your relative onto me.
It is the gist of what you said, and you are treating me like shit because you are transferring your annoyance at your relative onto me.
No, fat boy, he's treating you like shit because you deserve it.
That's rather harsh.
That’s rather harsh.
This is true. When you get worn down, you stop deflecting and finally start being honest. Persistently attacking your fallacies is the only means by which I have seen this accomplished.
There is no substance to your argument. Just pointless whining about criticism of your lefty boos.
If so then I find that to be really quite scary.
Where the resident institutionalist sees the end of his masters credibility.
Having high standards for journalism is "institutionalism". Got it.
LOL, please. You've claimed that people should shut up and accept everything the "experts" claim.
You don't have high standards; you're just an establishment taint-licker.
You’ve claimed that people should shut up and accept everything the “experts” claim.
This is a lie, but it doesn't matter, your tactic when it comes to every argument with me is to immediately turn the argument into a personal attack against me, because the goal here isn't to have any sort of discussion, it is to oppose everything I say or do regardless of the truth or falsity of my position.
So if you think my position does not have merit, you argue against my position.
But if you think my position does have merit, you attack me the person.
Either way, you will never have a constructive conversation with me, because it is beyond your capacity to do so.
So if you think my position does not have merit, you argue against my position.
But if you think my position does have merit, you attack me the person.
LOL, that's a nice little fantasy you've constructed, but none of your arguments ever have merit.
Either way, you will never have a constructive conversation with me, because it is beyond your capacity to do so.
It’s hard to have a constructive conversation with someone who complains that not enough child molesters are being allowed to claim refugee status.
It’s hard to have a constructive conversation with someone who complains that not enough child molesters are being allowed to claim refugee status.
I don't think you are fairly characterizing my position here. But even still, have you ever come up with a rational response to my position? Or is your only response going to be to mock it?
I don’t think you are fairly characterizing my position here.
You literally said that not letting child molesters claim refugee status was decreasing their liberty.
But even still, have you ever come up with a rational response to my position? Or is your only response going to be to mock it?
When you claim that child molesters should be allowed to claim refugee status, it deserves to be mocked.
You don't give a shit about standards in journalism.
Downthread, you gave us the list of institutional press orgs (one of which is British government propaganda, oh what a day makes).
All of them have credibility to you simply because they are institutions.
All of them have credibility to you simply because they are institutions.
No, because they deliver a superior product, i.e., better journalism, than, say, Conservative Treehouse or Legal Insurrection.
No, because they deliver a superior product
OMEGALUL, you are a total simp for institutions, be they science, education, or what have you.
You’ve admitted this in the past.
You’re fooling no one but yourself.
I imagine one reason that, say, AP is better able to deliver quality journalism than Conservative Treehouse is that AP has a better institutional structure capable of doing so. But I don't favor institutions just for the sake of institutions.
You will note, on my list below, that there were plenty of institutions that I did NOT include.
If your hypothesis is correct, and I favor credibility in journalism just because they come from institutions, why didn't I list EVERY institution that delivers journalism?
Because like all good institutionalists, you put emphasis on prestige, manifesting as a hierarchal pecking order of credibility (only doubly ironic coming from a self-proclaimed egalitarian).
Or, AP delivers a superior product.
But let's take a look at the sources of the articles cited in the toplevel comments that aren't from the right-leaning commenters, like Buttplug or SRG.
A poll from gallup.com
An article from cnbc.com
An article from tennesseelookout.com - it bills itself as a place for "independent investigative reporting", if it has a partisan slant, it looks to be slightly left-leaning, but if it is, it is not in-your-face about it
An article from timesofisrael.com
An article from cepr.org, which is a European think-tank
I don't see anything there from salon.com or dailykos.com or wsws.org or explicit Democratic Party talking point accounts from Twitter. One article from one news site that is perhaps a little bit left of center.
But let’s take a look at the sources of the articles cited in the toplevel comments that aren’t from the right-leaning commenters, like Buttplug or SRG.
You realize they're the same person, different socks, and Shrike is definitely not a libertarian (neither are you).
We're not the same person, as anyone with the vaguest knowledge of the English language would be able to discern.
…anyone with the vaguest knowledge of the English language would be able to discern.
Very true. Though nobody has ever accused those who insist all the handles who disagree with them are run by the same person of being intelligent. We all know who they are.
Me, right?
I'm Jesse, Tupla, RMac, Red Rocks, Sandra, Zeb, ITL, Woodchipper, Nardz, Brett, etc.
Everyone but Chuck P. because you don't go after me when you're on your anti-Mormon tirades.
Reminder:
You admit that you come here in bad faith - you do not come here to debate, only to troll and "refute".
https://reason.com/2023/07/17/federal-officials-can-keep-pressing-tech-platforms-to-remove-content-for-now-court-says/?comments=true#comment-10157942
Again, Jeffy, that comment doesn't mean nor own what you think it means or owns. Again, the full comment for review:
Mother's Lament 1 day ago
Sarcasmic, you shitposting troll, I don’t give a fuck whether you read them or not. I post to refute and mock you, not debate you.
You’re a dishonest, drunken ideologue. I could write responses with the wit of Churchill and the wisdom of Chesterton and that still wouldn’t convince your indoctrinated ass. Debating you is pointless, but refuting and mocking you is always worthwhile.
We don't call you "Lying Jeffy" for nothing.
Look at you, white-knighting for your tribe. How much are you getting paid for your services?
His comment says that his mind is closed when it comes to the people outside his tribe. I can see how you would relate to that.
A self-proclaimed "anti-rightist" has no standing to complain about tribalism.
You mean, a self-proclaimed "anti-rightist" and "anti-leftist", don't you?
No, dork, he means (and I do too), a self-proclaimed “anti-rightist”. Where have you ever claimed to be “anti-leftist”?
You mean, a self-proclaimed “anti-rightist” and “anti-leftist”, don’t you?
Sure, but you're just the former, not the latter.
No, I am both.
None of you can point to where I support left-wing positions that aren't also positions held in common by mainstream libertarian thought.
No, I am both.
No, you most assuredly are not.
None of you can point to where I support left-wing positions that aren’t also positions held in common by mainstream libertarian thought.
Except for the complaining about not letting in child molesters to the country, parroting establishment narratives about masks, whining that parents aren't mindlessly accepting what "the experts" in schools say, and squawking the same leftist tripe about sex and gender that we see in academia and Current Year media.
He seems to specifically be referencing Sarcasmic.
"His comment says that his mind is closed when it comes to the people outside his tribe."
My comment says the exact opposite you lying fuck. Who the hell do you think you're tricking?
"You’re a dishonest, drunken ideologue. I could write responses with the wit of Churchill and the wisdom of Chesterton and that still wouldn’t convince your indoctrinated ass. Debating you is pointless, but refuting and mocking you is always worthwhile."
Seems crystal clear that I'm accusing Sarcasmic of a closed mind, not copping to one myself.
And for good reason:
sarcasmic
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I only show up to watch the trolls and clowns duke it out while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is my circus.
So go fuck your hat, Jeff, you fifty-centing troll, because that little drunken freakshow has become an irredeemable demagogue just like you.
And what I said about Sarcasmic I've said before about you, Jeff. And I know it to be true.
I'll say it to you again: Jeff, you’re a dishonest, perverse ideologue, a Nazi and one of the evilest souls alive. Everything you say is dishonest, you lie even when you don't have to because it is your nature. Nothing anyone could demonstrate here would change your mind because, 1. You don't care about truth, and 2. you're paid to lie here.
Debating you is pointless, you will never be convinced, but refuting and mocking you is always worthwhile.
Contrary to your assertion I regularly debate with people here who come in good faith with honest intentions. You were never that person.
I plan to be a thorn in your side always.
Your mind is absolutely closed because you are going to "refute" sarcasmic, and me, even when we are right. You are going to argue against us regardless. You assume we are wrong and then go from there. That is why your mind is closed.
Contrary to your assertion I regularly debate with people here who come in good faith with honest intentions.
translation: I will "debate" people in my tribe who don't deviate very much from tribal orthodoxy. But the moment they stray too far, then they turn into NAZIS.
You are a ridiculous little man who needs to experience more of the world and realize that the right-wing tribe does not define reality. The world is composed of 8 billion souls and very, very, very few of them are anything resembling "NAZIS". You need to log off and actually travel and meet different people and actually listen to what they have to say. You might actually learn something.
My mind is open. Don't twist and lie about my words.
I refute you because your mind is closed.
I couldn't engage in a good faith debate with your fifty-centing ass even if I wanted to, because your paid to post Democratic Party narratives.
If your mind was open, you would consider honestly the ideas that I put forth. Since you don't, that means your mind is not open.
I feel like I am arguing against a 3-year-old here.
“you would consider honestly the ideas that I put forth.”
You’ve yet to put forth an idea that isn’t a regurgitated establishment progressive doctrine copypasted from your latest ActBlue missive.
When you’re not running cover and making excuses for Democrat malfeasance, you’re pushing horrific ideas that were thoroughly discredited almost one hundred years ago. Nazi racial theories but for minorities, late term abortion and infanticide, political censorship, genital mutilation of children and the mentally ill, etc.
I considered your ideas decades ago and found them anti-human and repugnant.
Lol, got caught lying, then repeated the lie again anyway.
I don’t call you Lying Jeffy for nothing.
But let’s take a look at the sources of the articles cited in the toplevel comments that aren’t from the right-leaning commenters, like Buttplug or SRG.
Just like you, SPB and SRG frequently post valid links while completely failing to convey the facts presented there. Just yesterday, your buddy JFree made an asinine comment about reading for comprehension while mispresenting a study.
There is no such thing as misinformation. There is only information and those too stupid or lazy to verify it.
I will not speak for anyone else but I do not post links that don't support my argument nor do I misrepresent the information in such links. That doesn't stop JesseAZ and others from claiming otherwise, as they project their lack of comprehension on me.
Still, at least you've not lied by claiming that I'm an SPB sock, so your tribalism only goes so far.
I don’t see anything there from salon.com or dailykos.com or wsws.org or explicit Democratic Party talking point accounts from Twitter.
Maybe because, like you, they lie, Jeffy.
Oh. So, if that is true - and I agree, that all partisan sites lie to a certain extent - then shouldn't it be a point of pride that the non-right-leaning posters aren't citing stories from partisan left-wing sites like salon.com, as opposed to right-leaning posters who ARE citing stories from partisan right-wing sites like conservativetreehouse.com?
Did you really just give Buttplug credit for refusing to cite articles from sites that lie, in a lame attempt to insult me?
You've posted shit from Salon, MSNBC and CNN here all the time and your good pal Buttplug has actually posted shit from Media Matters.
Who're you trying to kid?
Not to mention citing The Root in claiming that schools used to only teach "good ol' Muricanism" up until about 20 years ago.
The Root is the black version of The Daily Stormer.
I knew someone was going to bring up (of course it was you) that I once cited an article from The Root. Yes, it is true. I once cited an article from The Root.
Meanwhile, articles from Conservative Treehouse, Breitbart, and even less reliable sources are cited here routinely and no one complains at all about them.
Do I need to bring up the most recent time when Nardz cited the VDare Twitter account and no one complained?
So you've gone from claiming that you only use neutral sources, to saying it's okay for you to use partisan sources because everyone else does it, in just one post.
You're something else.
I never said that I *only* use neutral sources. It's just not the wildly imbalanced ratio that it is for you and the right-leaning posters.
And that's another lie.
Prove it.
Sure.
Here's where you post a study from the Fabian Society's socialist indoctrination camp for bureaucrats and treat it like a nonpartisan source.
https://reason.com/2023/07/18/poll-millennials-want-to-make-misgendering-a-crime/?comments=true#comment-10159678
Umm, it is from the London School of Economics.
Second, it doesn't even prove your point.
But you KNOW it doesn't prove your point, don't you?
Umm, it is from the London School of Economics.
Same difference.
Umm, who do you think created and operates the London School of Economics, Jeffy?
Remember, chemfat was whining like a bitch because his lefty boos at Oberlin got smacked with a $30 million penalty for trying to drive a long-standing bakery out of business.
That doesn't really characterize the source of my complaint accurately. IIRC it was more about Oberlin College the institution being punished for what its students were doing. It did not seem immediately apparent to me that the college itself was to blame for the actions of its students.
That doesn’t really characterize the source of my complaint accurately.
No, it's fully accurate.
IIRC it was more about Oberlin College the institution being punished for what its students were doing.
You got those facts wrong, too.
It did not seem immediately apparent to me that the college itself was to blame for the actions of its students.
Which you would have been disabused of if you'd actually read LI's reporting on the case, instead of blithely dismissing it.
No one here has cited The Daily Stormer, so your complaints here don't really have merit.
Nobody cares about your opinion of other peoples sources, Jeff.
You sure have a queer way of being a radical individualist.
What about your buddy Tucker Carlson? His whoppers cost his employer gobs and gobs of money, yet he is considered to be a beacon of truth by most of the commentariat. What’s up with that?
Lol, Fox didn’t lose money because Tucker lied you ignorant fuck. He called out Powell on his show. He got brought into it because he was calling it all out in emails that were found in discovery.
"His whoppers cost his employer gobs and gobs of money"
Just when you think Sarcasmic can't get any more retarded he blames the Dominion lawsuit on the one guy at Fox who publicly said Sidney Powell didn't have anything.
What's it like being wrong about absolutely everything all the time?
What’s it like being wrong about absolutely everything all the time?
This is a lie. We know this is a lie because you come here in bad faith. Nothing you say here should be regarded as trustworthy. After all, you don't come here to debate, you come here to "refute" and to troll.
https://reason.com/2023/07/17/federal-officials-can-keep-pressing-tech-platforms-to-remove-content-for-now-court-says/?comments=true#comment-10157942
Full of shit, Jeffy.
So, as ML said, "What’s it like being wrong about absolutely everything all the time?"
So as I said, So you admit you’re a conservative troll who only comes here to fling poo.
You sure like lying about and misrepresenting what the quote clearly says.
Now that a dozen people have called you out on it, but you keep on pretending otherwise, I think that the appellation of bad faith troll applies to you and not to me.
Especially as you're using your obvious misrepresentation to try and distract from the fact that Sarcasmic lied about Carlson.
The quote clearly says you are going to "refute" whatever sarcasmic says (and now you've admitted it also applies to me) even if we're right.
You start with the assumption that we're wrong and knee-jerk argue against it. That is how you have a closed mind.
That you and your fellow tribalists think that you actually have a point in describing sarcasmic that way only shows how far the tribalism goes.
“The quote clearly says you are going to “refute” whatever sarcasmic says (and now you’ve admitted it also applies to me)”
Yes, because you're demagogues. You’re incapable of honest debate, so refutation is the only option.
“even if we’re right.”
I’ll tell you what. If you ever stop lying and tell the truth for once in your wasted life, I won’t refute you.
Yes, because you’re demagogues.
lol you don't even know what the word means. You are the closest thing to a demagogue here - appealing more to people's emotions than to rational thought. You are the one who constantly invokes the HOW DARE YOU!!!! argumentation technique.
Jeff, you deliberately and purposefully mischaracterized my post and tried to whip up sentiment against me right here in this very thread, the very definition of demagoguery.
But now you're trying to pretend your lies and mischaracterization about my statement was "rational thought", and I'm the demagogue?
You're amazing, and not in a good way.
Jeff --- he is CORRECT, you know. Tucker DID call out Powell. He did NOT go along with it.
Shocking...protecting sarcasmic. As per usual.
I post to refute and mock you, not debate you.
Look at all the people showing up to white-knight for ML!
Look at Lying Jeffy sticking with personal attacks while lying about the actual topic at hand.
I think they come here to refute what you’re saying and not “white knight” for another commenter. Best to let them articulate.
They're not doing it for me, Jeffy.
They're doing it because:
1. You're obviously misrepresenting what people can read with their own eyes and people don't like being gaslit. And;
2. Everyone hates you.
You "refute" what we say even when we're right. That is you.
1) You're never right.
2) Everyone hates you.
Fuck if you're not especially pathetic today you ridiculous, useless twat.
You're Lying Jeffy. I've yet to see you tell the truth.
Did I tell the truth here?
https://reason.com/2023/07/18/poll-millennials-want-to-make-misgendering-a-crime/?comments=true#comment-10159567
"all partisan sites lie to a certain extent"
That cherrypicked sentence was certainly was part of a lie, a mendacious inference to be specific...
"So, if that is true – and I agree, that all partisan sites lie to a certain extent – then shouldn’t it be a point of pride that the non-right-leaning posters aren’t citing stories from partisan left-wing sites like salon.com, as opposed to right-leaning posters who ARE citing stories from partisan right-wing sites like conservativetreehouse.com?"
I honestly don't understand how you think you can get away with middle school sophistry like that here.
Did I tell the truth with this sentence?
“all partisan sites lie to a certain extent”
He's referencing sarcasmic. Is it really that hard to read and comprehend?
Sarcasmic who, mind you, has admitted to only trolling.
My point in pointing this out, is that in my opinion, the right-leaning posters here tend to rely on news sources that are more partisan in nature, and of lower quality, than the non-right-leaning posters here.
It isn't just this one time, IMO it follows from a trend that I have seen for a little while now.
A trend you see while in your typical delusional state.
The facts don't lie.
Facts are partisan now. Didn't you get the memo? They are judged not by their veracity, but by the politics of the messenger.
"The facts don’t lie"
No. But you sure as fuck do.
Media Matters, Salon, The Daily Kos, Jacobin, CNN, MSNBC, the WaPo, Huffpo, Bulwark... these are all links you and your establishment proggy pals have posted this month alone.
Seriously, are you that retarded thinking you can pursue this kind of hypocrisy and not think that you'll get called out?
I am referring to the links posted TODAY.
But you know that.
It is because you come here in bad faith, as you yourself admitted.
https://reason.com/2023/07/17/federal-officials-can-keep-pressing-tech-platforms-to-remove-content-for-now-court-says/?comments=true#comment-10157942
You keep posting that like you think it does something to hurt ML. It's about Sarc and what he does/does not do. Obviously, other than the "drunken" bit, it applies equally to you.
Umm, since it's ML's comment that I am quoting, it is about ML.
So, comprehension is lost on you?
You label it bad faith. Everything you and Sarc write is in bad faith. You're a fifty-center and Sarc is a troll. Refuting you two is the only viable option because debate with you is impossible. You can't be reasoned with because your job is to push narratives. The same applies for Sqrlsy, the pedo and the sealion.
But there are hundreds of others I interact here with, and engage in conversation and debate with every day. And I'm pretty sure that they all agree with me regarding you and your mission here.
Everything you and Sarc write is in bad faith.
Not true.
You’re a fifty-center
Not true.
and Sarc is a troll.
I can’t speak for him, but in my opinion I do not consider him to be a troll.
Refuting you two is the only viable option because debate with you is impossible.
An alternative hypothesis, is that you cannot bring yourself to have *genuine* debate with me at least because that would require to to come to a point of agreement or two with someone you regard as a “NAZI” and you cannot do that. So in any discussion, you employ various tactics to get around it, such as moving goalposts and ad hominems, and your favorite tactic, appeals to emotions (“how dare you!!!!!”).
You can’t be reasoned with because your job is to push narratives.
The only “narrative” that I push are my own opinions. No one pays me for my speech here.
But there are hundreds of others I interact here with, and engage in conversation and debate with every day. And I’m pretty sure that they all agree with me regarding you and your mission here.
If true, it would be because most if not all are a part of your tribe. You share in that tribal solidarity.
Honestly, I think you are fundamentally afraid to step outside your tribal comfort zone. To actually have to think for yourself and defend arguments without resorting to these cheap tactics is kind of scary.
"An alternative hypothesis"
You certainly like calling your lies anything but lies.
"If true, it would be because most if not all are a part of your tribe. You share in that tribal solidarity."
An aLteRnaTivE hYpoTheSiS might be because you're a shill and a disingenuous, lying fuck.
Looks like Jeff is employing the Sevo tactic of scorched earth repetition like he does with SPB.
I am referring to the links posted TODAY.
What you posted yesterday and last week is immaterial? You argue like an 8th grader.
What you posted yesterday and last week is immaterial?
To the argument that I am making TODAY? Yes.
Now, if you would like to make a counter-argument where you compile statistics on links to articles over a broader period of time, then be my guest.
But the argument that I am making TODAY, is about the links posted TODAY.
blah blah TODAY blah blah, TODAY blah TODAY
You wouldn't make it through an 8th grade debate.
No matter how much you bleat and wail, you don't get to control the dialogue. When you rail about the sources other people link, the sources you link become relevant to the argument. It doesn't matter when you provided partisan links. It matters that you have provided partisan links. We have all seen it. You refuse to engage about it because it diminishes your argument TODAY.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
It is not moving the goalposts to point out that you exhibit the exact behavior you are trying to imply is dishonest. It would be tu quoque if it were not so perfectly relevant.
You suck at logic.
You are attempting to stretch my argument into one that I did not make.
I was never attempting a broad statistical study about the posting habits over a long period of time. I even said so.
So it is dishonest of YOU to accuse me of dishonesty for not doing that I never claimed to do in the first place.
If you want to make a counter-argument to my argument with a bigger data set then go right ahead.
But you don't, because you are a lazy troll who only argues against me because you have substituted me for some relative of yours. You're honestly just an asshole to me at this point. You are just looking for any excuse to call me names because that is what you want to do to your relative, that for whatever reason you are unable to do so, so you do it to me as a proxy.
So just fuck off. I am tired of your shit. Fuck off and put me on mute and go do whatever you have to do to repair your relationship with your relative but leave me out of it. I am tired of this bullshit.
Lie to yourself all you want. I don't care about you. You think you have a right to pollute these comments with your anti-intellectual bullshit without being refuted? You don't.
You want me to stop responding to your posts? Stop making fallacious assertions.
The source is irrelevant if the information is valid. Falsify the information and you win the argument.
Fine. If you want to prove that I am doing the exact same thing that I am accusing the right-leaning commenters here of doing, then your burden is to prove that my selection of *authoritative* sources consists overwhelmingly of partisan left-wing sources and literal Democratic Party talking points. Not CNN, not Washington Post, not NY Times, because the right-leaning posters here weren't using Fox News or NY Post for their sources. No, they were using *explicitly* partisan sources like Conservative Treehouse and Legal Insurrection, which state plainly and unambiguously, without any misunderstanding, that they are conservative.
And I guess the scope of your statistical search is... what, all time? Since I've been posting here? I don't know. You are the one inventing this new standard. How far back do you want to go?
So get busy, you have a lot of web searching to do. Go!
"then your burden is to prove that my selection of *authoritative* sources consists overwhelmingly of partisan left-wing sources and literal Democratic Party talking points."
Look at try and evade.
People are familiar with your posting history, Jeff. Just above Paul mentioned the time you cited The Root.
People are familiar with your posting history, Jeff. Just above Paul mentioned the time you cited The Root.
And so this is you just trying to be a dick and "refute", and really just virtue-signal to your tribe that you are writing words against me, because I already wrote above that I never claimed to *only* use nonpartisan neutral sources. Yes from time to time I will cite a partisan source, sometimes even a partisan right-wing source but also sometimes a partisan left-wing source. But those are the exceptions and not the rule. Even in the comment above, I used the word "overwhelmingly" and not "exclusively".
So what again was your point in writing that comment? To just repeat what I already admitted?
"I never claimed to *only* use nonpartisan neutral sources. Yes from time to time I will cite a partisan source"
Talk about moving goalposts.
But it's the truth that I never claimed to use *only* nonpartisan neutral sources. This is you lying about me. Why are you lying about me?
Neat how you try to ameliorate your lie by sticking a big "*only*" in there, like that's somehow supposed to change the fact that you just made a dozen posts inferring that the libertarians here use right wing sites, while you establishmentarians almost always use nonpartisan ones.
Again, this sophistry isn't tricking anyone. Everyone can read what you posted.
Chuck, don't you know?
For Jeff, each day, history starts over at 0. There is no past in his world.
CNBC and CEPR which is a globalist new world order shill. Timesofisrael?! ?!?! Are you f'ing kidding me?
Which do you think will deliver higher quality journalism? CNBC and Times of Israel? Or Conservative Treehouse and The Federalist?
The Federalist is obviously the best of the list but to refer to CNBC as "quality journalism" is just a massive self-own for you.
The Federalist is obviously the best of the list
Why do you think The Federalist is "the best of the list"?
Why do you disagree?
So, I’m going to assume that this is you asking me this question not because you are genuinely interested in whether the Federalist is a better news source than CNBC, but because you want to use the answer against me in order to be a “thorn in my side”. Am I correct?
And no matter how I answer, you are going to go to the mat defending the Federalist. Am I right?
I asked it because you were trying to smear by inference, and I'm calling you out on that.
Now, why do you disagree, Jeff?
Since you have already stated that you do not discuss anything with me in good faith, what possible reason do I have to discuss anything with you in good faith?
I never said anything of the sort.
I said you are impossible to convince even if I wanted because of your mendacity, willful dishonesty and the fact you are paid to advance an ideology.
Your purposeful mischaracterization here is an excellent example of the sophistry and bad faith argumentation I said you typify.
Now answer the question, coward.
Are you 12 years old? That appears to be the level of your reasoning capacity.
In this entire discussion you have done nothing but operate profoundly in bad faith.
You claim I never make a true statement (which is ridiculous by itself), I post a obviously true statement and then when I ask "Is this a true statement?", you evade and move the goalposts. You cannot bring yourself to admit when an obviously true statement is true. Because you are fundamentally dishonest.
You try to claim that because some college was founded by socialists over 100 years ago, that some study produced by it last year is invalid. This is a ridiculous fallacious argument that is only motivated by the fact that you have to try to refute a study that I presented at all costs, no matter if it is true or false.
You claim your mind is open and then you refuse to consider any idea that I put forth, mischaracterizing it as lies or "paid shilling". That is not what an open-minded person does. But it doesn't matter - the only reason you claimed you had an open mind was because I accused you of having a closed mind.
I get the impression that if I accused you of liking pineapple on pizza, you would haughtily claim that you don't, and that only progressives put pineapple on pizza.
It is exactly as I said it was - no matter what I say, you argue against it, EVEN IF IT IS TRUE. That is your bad faith in action.
You are immature and insecure. You are insecure in your own belief system so the safest course of action for you is just to argue against everything that I say, even if it produces inconsistencies on your part. You won't get any pushback on your inconsistencies from your tribal pals because it is a friendly audience for you.
So why should I give you an answer to any question? No matter what answer I give, you will argue against my position and call me a liar. It doesn't really matter what the answer is either. Why go through the theater of the exercise? We both already know what the result will be.
CEPR is not a "NWO shill", though it is slightly left-leaning. But the article I cited provides references, and the general point is a factual one.
And IMF may be regarded by you as a NWO shill but they're hardly left-leaning.
https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2017/05/11/a-new-twist-in-the-link-between-inequality-and-economic-development
“though it is slightly left-leaning.”
Thanks for admitting this. Now watch Lying Jeffy ignore this because it contradicted his point.
And now the hard part. Is the article I linked to from CEPR at least largely accurate?
I’ll read the article in the next couple days. I won’t pretend to read it just to respond.
Now, what do you think of Lying Jeffy’s antics in this thread?
Make it worth my while, (Not?) Gov’na Shrike.
My point in pointing this out, is that in my opinion, the right-leaning posters here tend to rely on news sources that are more partisan in nature, and of lower quality, than the non-right-leaning posters here.
Most partisans, left and right, like to live in echo chambers. Good luck finding someone on the left who can watch FOX News without throwing something at the tv, or someone on the right who can watch MSNBC without throwing up.
That is true.
However, I'm just pointing out that here at Reason, we don't see "right-wing partisans" and "left-wing partisans". Instead what we see are "right-wing partisans" and "everybody else".
When was the last time you saw anyone post anything from an official Democratic Party Twitter account as an authoritative source?
When was the last time you saw anyone post anything from Salon or Mother Jones as an authoritative source? I mean, it does happen, but it's rare compared to the number of times you see people post articles from The Federalist or Conservative Treehouse, or even Zero Hedge, as authoritative sources.
Instead what we see are “right-wing partisans” and “everybody else”.
Those of us who aren't "right-wing partisans" can see differences in "everybody else," while all the "right-wing partisans" see is leftists. Which is really retarded because the word "leftist" has an actual meaning that isn't "anything not Republican."
SPB said Media Matters is non-partisan and posts links to it.
Do you think Media Matters is left wing?
When was the last time you saw anyone post anything from an official Democratic Party Twitter account as an authoritative source?
These are arguments that would fail you in a high school debate.
The source is irrelevant if the information is valid.
I have posted from the DNC platform page to demonstrate their actual positions when someone has lied about it.
Whatever man. I am just tired of you commenting on these discussions without seemingly understanding what the conversation is about just to get a few digs in at me, because you see me as a proxy for your relative.
If you want to argue with your relative, then take it up with him/her.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Flail some more, jeffy. Make it about me instead of about your shitty argument TODAY.
"The source is irrelevant if the information is valid."
Try refuting a true statement, douchebag!
Go bother your relative instead of me.
You even quit fallaciously.
Here's another fallacy: Fuck you.
Now you get it.
Haha.
Rage and seethe, shill.
Here is a data point which supports this contention:
Conservatives are more likely than liberals to exist in a media echo chamber
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2020/12/22/conservatives-are-more-likely-than-liberals-to-exist-in-a-media-echo-chamber/
The problem isn't really a "both sides" issue. Conservatives are more likely to have an insular media bubble than "everyone else".
And this makes a lot of sense - the conservative mind by nature is relatively closed to new ideas and new experiences, preferring to preserve the traditions and ideas of the past instead. So they are going to gravitate to news sources which reinforce the beliefs that they already hold, rather than to news sources which introduce ideas that contradict their beliefs, even if those ideas have a lot of validity to them.
I mean, look at the news sites that are routinely cited here by our right-leaning posters here as toplevel comments in the roundup. It's probably no more than a couple dozen, tops. That's their echo chamber. Whatever is posted on those sites, becomes their reality. Everything outside those sites is "fake news".
News and opinion have become so blurred that opinions are treated as facts, and facts are rejected when they don't conform to opinion.
That would confirm my observations.
It's a study from the London School of Economics, retard.
It was founded by the fucking Fabian Society.
"The Fabian Society is a British socialist organisation whose purpose is to advance the principles of social democracy and democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist effort in democracies, rather than by revolutionary overthrow.[1][2] The Fabian Society was also historically related to radicalism, a left-wing liberal tradition.[3][4][5]
As one of the founding organisations of the Labour Representation Committee in 1900, and as an important influence upon the Labour Party which grew from it, the Fabian Society has had a powerful influence on British politics"
Jeff claims he only posts nonpartisan links, and then he posts a British socialist study.
I can't even...
The authors of the study are not British socialists at least as far as I know.
Since von Hayek taught at LSE, I guess by your argument that means von Hayek was a socialist.
You are a moron.
He was placed there when he fled the Nazis. And he left in 1950 after a fight with your man Keynes for the University of Chicago, and the University of Freiburg, where he spent the rest of his career and finalized most of his ideas.
You are a moron.
This is, of course, entirely wrong. Both leftists and liberals are far more likely to live in a media bubble because they control all but one major medias network, along with virtually all of the other supporting institutions like academia.
Essentially anyone could live their life in America without ever encountering conservative thought or opinion. The reverse is very difficult and takes a determined effort. This is proven empirically in studies showing the right has a far better grasp of there lefts beliefs and arguments that the left has of the right.
Leftists love the idea though because it feeds their sense of superiority and allows them to denigrate those they hate. So they will continue to persist in their foolish beliefs.
So you didn't read the article.
I thought you only posted nonpartisan things.
How the fuck is the LSE nonpartisan? It was founded by the British Labour Party to teach socialism to colonial bureaucrats throughout the empire and has continued that tradition to this day.
First, I never claimed to post *only* nonpartisan sources.
Second, your characterization of LSE in the modern day is ridiculous. It is a modern research university. Whatever its legacy of the past, it ought to be judged by what it does today. Your argument is the same nonsense as those who claim that America is irredeemably racist because Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. You do realize that von Hayek taught there, right?
Oh but wait, this is another one of your bad faith arguments. You are doing this only to waste my time, to “refute” me even though your complaint is baseless and irrelevant.
You literally do this sort of shit ALL THE TIME. You don’t argue honestly. You pull crap like this, where you invent arguments that you don’t really believe for the sole purpose to oppose me. You are a ridiculous little man.
“You do realize that von Hayek taught there, right?”
You do realize that he was placed there after fleeing the Nazis and was chased out by Keynes, right?
You're always such a dishonest fuck, leaving out the key points time and time again.
the mainstream media sources, the so called "quality journalism" have lied about nearly every major event or policy or issue of the past several years.
They mislead, they cover up the truth, they propagandize for the regime, and they flat out generate lies (see hunter biden laptop, source of wuhan virus etc)
Every single major reporting from them has been a lie or intentional misdirection. To think that somehow MSNBC or CNN is any kind of reputable source for news and "journalism" is an absolute joke.
This analysis reeks of an absurd level of moral relativism.
That everyone makes mistakes, does not mean that all mistakes are equally bad.
And I am quite certain you can point to a number of mistakes or even lies that any major media organization has made. Okay, fine. If that is the case, then in response, why do you turn to media organizations that are *even more biased* than the ones that you complain about?
You think CNN lies to you? Okay, fine. Well, the Federalist lies a lot more to you - they lie by omission since they don't even pretend to be a news organization. How is this any more an improvement when it comes to *journalism*?
You think CNN lies to you? Okay, fine. Well, the Federalist lies a lot more to you – they lie by omission since they don’t even pretend to be a news organization.
Better one that doesn't pretend, to one that pretenses to objectivity while parroting their left-wing paymasters. I can at least respect MSNBC as being an openly partisan organization. At least they don't lie about who they are.
You think that the major legacy media doesn't lie by omission pretty much constantly?
You are right about the bias of many sources. They don't generally try to hide it. You are full of shit if you think that the old school legacy media is any less biased or dishonest.
First I think ANY media organization lies by omission to a certain extent, because all are constrained in their reporting by resource constraints, as none of them can afford to write a graduate-level thesis on any topic that they report upon. All must make choices of which information to include and which to exclude when deciding how to present any story.
So with that being said, the real question is how each organization decides to utilize their resources to report on a story within their constraints. Does the organization honestly and fairly try to inform the consumer? Or does the organization try instead to mislead the consumer by pushing a particular narrative? The reality here is that "it's a little of both", but the degree to which that it is more of the former than the latter is IMO the hallmark of good journalism.
So, take CNN. When they present a story, do they present more than one side to the story? Yes, they typically do. They may do so incompletely and imperfectly, but it is more than one point of view that is presented.
Now, take a guy like Glenn Greenwald. When he presents a story, does he present more than one side to the story? Yes, he does, but - let's be honest - he doesn't exactly 'steelman' the opposing argument.
You claim people here lie because they consider facts in ways you wish they didn’t. Similarly you think the Federalist lies because you don’t like their reporting, just as you don’t care that CNN lies because you support their narrative.
You claim people here lie because they consider facts in ways you wish they didn’t.
Bingo! I grew up reading a single newspaper. It was pretty easy to see know what was editorial bias, because it was on the editorial page. More difficult, but discernable was bias in what stories they ran or didn't run or to what extent they covered a story. The ability to easily discern bias or identify what is editorial versus what is news in regards to a single outlet is lost in an aggregated news feed.
Look up stories on the SUV attack in Waukesha. CNN ran something like 42 stories on the Michigan school shooting but ran 6 on the parade. NPR was just as bad. It is crystal clear who buried the story because it didn't fit the narrative.
You claim people here lie because they consider facts in ways you wish they didn’t.
lol it is the opposite. All the time *I* am called a liar only because I disagree with the right-wing narrative, not because my statements are objectively false. Because, in postmodernist hell, the right-wing narrative becomes reality to those who are within the media bubble. Which is partly my point here.
When the conservatives here consume low-quality, highly-partisan sources for their primary news content, their view of reality becomes highly warped and distorted.
Similarly you think the Federalist lies because you don’t like their reporting,
I think Federalist lies, JUST LIKE ALL PARTISAN MEDIA OUTLETS LIE, because their primary mission is to push a narrative not to genuinely inform their readers.
just as you don’t care that CNN lies because you support their narrative.
I said above that CNN like all media outlets are not perfect and at a minimum lie by omission because all operate with limited resources to present any story. That comment was right above you.
Which you didn't read, because I've noticed a pattern about you - twist everything I say into the worst possible interpretation to paint me as the worst possible villain. Because you are part of the problem.
All the time *I* am called a liar only because I disagree with the right-wing narrative, not because my statements are objectively false.
That is objective false.
You are called a liar because you deny reality. See any argument where you claim that CRT is not being taught in classrooms despite citation after citation that it is being taught right out a manual.
twist everything I say into the worst possible interpretation to paint me as the worst possible villain. Because you are part of the problem.
Sweet Jesus, jeffy, calling someone "part of the problem" is twisting what they say to paint them as the worst possible villain. You perform the action you accuse others of as you accuse them. That is some serious sophism.
You are called a liar because you deny reality. See any argument where you claim that CRT is not being taught in classrooms despite citation after citation that it is being taught right out a manual.
lol that is hilarious. It was the right-wing that literally *changed the definition of CRT* so as to include their narrative on the matter. So your own example proves my point. I am only a "liar" if one accepts the right-wing redefinition of terms consistent with the right-wing narrative.
It was the right-wing that literally *changed the definition of CRT* so as to include their narrative on the matter.
Stupidly false but indicative of what Jeffey will fantasize to justify maintaining his beliefs. In reality the left tries to absurdly re-define CRT so it can apply the No True Scotsman defense, just as they try to change the definition of racism so they can pretend their own racism doesn't exist.
Stupidly false
Chris Rufo literally tweeted that this was his explicit strategy.
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371541044592996352?lang=en
Schools wrote in their policies they were adopting CRT-based strategies and yet you claim they don't teach CRT. Further of course we see the results with their teachers and administrators parroting its principles. Are you playing word games with the fact that they are implementing CRT on students rather than teaching CRT principles to students? Or are you claiming these school systems didn't know true CRT? Or are you just lying because you think repeating the same bullshit 6,000 times will create reasonable doubt in someone's mind and is therefore worthwhile.
But one guy tweeted something which apparently means reality is no longer relevant. It's the sort of meaningless distraction Jeffey bases his entire worldview on.
Well, now here we have the bait-and-switch.
The original claim was about whether CRT was being taught in schools.
But NOW the claim is about "CRT-based strategies". That is a different claim.
The *actual* Critical Race Theory is a graduate-level academic legal theory. So I very much doubt that CRT was being taught in elementary school.
Were there people using ideas that were inspired by CRT and using those in the classroom? Okay, sure. But that is not CRT.
Just because an idea is inspired by CRT, or associated with CRT in some way, or liked by a CRT theorist, doesn't mean it is identical with CRT.
And that is what Chris Rufo was doing: he was going to take all of these ideas, which were somewhere in the "orbit" of CRT, and even some ideas that had nothing to do with CRT but were just ones that conservatives didn't like, and lump them all together, and declare them all to be CRT. It's dishonest, but that is what he did.
The original claim was about whether CRT was being taught in schools.
No, this was the original strawman. The claim was that students were being taught using CRT methods and principles.
The *actual* Critical Race Theory is a graduate-level academic legal theory. So I very much doubt that CRT was being taught in elementary school.
Here we see how you latch on to this irrelevancy. Everyone knows children are not being taught what CRT is. Instead they are being subjected to CRT's racism. Jeffey thinks this racism is fine because they are subjecting children to it without explaining why they are doing so. It takes a special kind of stupid to conclude this is exonerating.
Well, now here we have the bait-and-switch.
This is pedantry intended to deflect. There is no significant difference between "teaching CRT in schools" and "adopting CRT-based strategies" the phrases are interchangeable in meaning. Teaching a young child the different types of triangles is a strategy to prepare them for Trigonometry when they are older.
Just because an idea is inspired by CRT, or associated with CRT in some way, or liked by a CRT theorist, doesn’t mean it is identical with CRT.
A completely circular argument. "Something that is not X is not X." It is another deflection. There are direct references to CRT in teaching manuals. They are incorporating the facets of CRT the kids can understand at their current level and expanding on it as the students progress.
Chris Rufo is a distraction.
Your arguments are objectively false.
Oh, and as for this turd:
I said above that CNN like all media outlets are not perfect and at a minimum lie by omission because all operate with limited resources to present any story.
That is objectively false. CNN does not "operate with limited resources". They receive and spend billions of dollars to report the news. They lie by omission because they choose to lie.
So CNN has infinite money and infinite time to present infinite number of stories?
Absurdity doesn't falsify my argument. It requires only a finite amount of reporters, equipment and cash to cover a story. I am positive that CNN has sufficient resources to cover any story.
Those goalposts are staying right here.
lol it is the opposite. All the time *I* am called a liar only because I disagree with the right-wing narrative, not because my statements are objectively false.
How odd you believe someone else doing something proves you don't. In reality this just highlights your hypocrisy and complete lack of self-awareness.
JUST LIKE ALL PARTISAN MEDIA OUTLETS LIE,
Like, for example, CNN. But interestingly you don't use the term lie about anyone you support such as...
I said above that CNN like all media outlets are not perfect and at a minimum lie by omission because all operate with limited resources to present any story.
Right, "lies" becomes "not perfect" when you switch from opposed media to allied media. That's your nature which is why it's greatly amusing when you whine that others do this.
Which you didn’t read, because I’ve noticed a pattern about you – twist everything I say into the worst possible interpretation to paint me as the worst possible villain
This is a lie, but even if it were true what standing do you have to complain about it? After all this is a perfect description of you.
CNN is not a "partisan media outlet" in the same sense as Conservative Treehouse or, for that matter, Daily Kos.
A partisan media outlet is one that is not merely biased, but one that is explicitly partisan - does not hide at all that they support one side or another.
CNN is not "allied media". I even said that I don't even watch cable news anymore.
Could you try arguing against me the person instead of the strawman in your head?
I say that I prefer news sources like AP and Reuters. Why can't you accept that?
A partisan media outlet is one that is not merely biased, but one that is explicitly partisan – does not hide at all that they support one side or another.
A partisan media outlet is one that supports a particular side. You're trying to hide that CNN is leftist by pretending the key fact is whether they admit their support or not.
CNN is not “allied media”. I even said that I don’t even watch cable news anymore.
What a stupid argument. Watching or not has nothing to do with whether you are allies. And we know you understand them as such because if they weren't they would just be liars instead of "not perfect".
Could you try arguing against me the person instead of the strawman in your head?
It's ridiculously amusing you keep this fantasy view of yourself going. You're only here to shit on people but somehow you whine that you're the victim.
I say that I prefer news sources like AP and Reuters. Why can’t you accept that?
I don't care what media you like. You're the dog shitting in the yard, no one cares what color your dog collar is.
A partisan media outlet is one that supports a particular side.
That is not how I am using the term. I am using the term as one that is explicitly and unabashedly supportive of a side and doesn't even try to hide it.
And we know you understand them as such because if they weren’t they would just be liars instead of “not perfect”.
Did you miss the part where I said that ALL PARTISAN MEDIA LIES, which includes left-wing partisan media like Daily Kos?
You’re only here to shit on people but somehow you whine that you’re the victim.
I do not come here with the purposeful strategy to "shit on people". I come here to discuss news and ideas. Very occasionally, I will do a little bit of trolling. And in response, quite often - yes, I do get piled on and victimized. Look at this entire discussion. How can you say I have not been the victim here?
I don’t care what media you like.
So I can take it from this comment that you, like ML, don't really give a shit what I say, you just use my comments as a springboard to shit on me?
"So I can take it from this comment that you, like ML, don’t really give a shit what I say, you just use my comments as a springboard to shit on me?"
If you stop propagandizing and lying constantly I might.
I come here to discuss news and ideas.
If this were true you would do that. Instead you misrepresent what others believe so you can attack them.
I do get piled on and victimized.
You get treated just like you treat others. The only difference is that you whine about because in your conceit you believe they deserve it and you don't.
Look at this entire discussion. How can you say I have not been the victim here?
My memory goes back before today. If I was an asshole like you I would also wish every day starts fresh so nothing I've done previously could effect people's understanding of me.
You all have treated me far worse than I have ever treated you. You all have made vile insults against me that I would never begin or dream to make against you. YOU think I deserve to be called a pedophile or a Nazi simply because I disagree with your point of view. That's all. I have never called all of you pedophiles or Nazis or anything even resembling to those epithets. It isn't even close. I do have a legitimate grievance with how I am treated around here.
If this were true you would do that. Instead you misrepresent what others believe so you can attack them.
I come here to discuss what I think is true. Sometimes this means not accepting the right-wing narrative at face value. And this makes you upset when I don’t uncritically accept what you are saying. This isn’t trying to misrepresent what you believe. This is trying to get to the heart of what you *truly* believe.
For example, you all say that you want to ban or greatly limit abortion because you genuinely want to protect human life. Fine, I can accept that. But I do not believe this is the sincere, genuine motivation for ALL who are on your team. I also believe that there are some on your team who want to ban or greatly limit abortion because they want to control people. My evidence for this claim is the number of people around here who go on and on about ‘personal responsibility’ and ‘ why can’t they just take responsibility for the choices that they make when they have sex’. They see government as a vehicle for enforcing the ‘correct’ consequences for sexual behavior. You don’t like it when I make observations like this because it destroys the comforting narrative that everyone on your team is on one single page about wanting nothing more than to protect life. But that is not misrepresenting your position of your team. That is peeling back the layers of veneer to get at the heart of the matter. I don’t claim that EVERYONE on your team is like that. But there are some, and they exist, and it’s worth talking about.
Who called you a Nazi or a pedo?
SPB is called one due to that whole "posting CP" issue.
Unless you are also SPB, you are lying here.
“ YOU think I deserve to be called a pedophile or a Nazi simply because I disagree with your point of view. “
Stupidly wrong on both counts, but typical of how you lie about others. People shit on you because you shit on them, not simply because you disagree. But since you don’t apply the standard to yourself that you apply to others you pretend your behavior is different.
“And this makes you upset when I don’t uncritically accept what you are saying. “
Again, stupidly wrong. I challenge when you do uncritically accept the left wing narrative even when it is obviously wrong. Again you try to turn this into a personal issue because doing so allows you to both dismiss the issue and pose as the victim.
These mistakes are revealing. For example when you repeat that CRT isn’t being taught you ignore that children are subject to damaging racist treatment in order to play word games that being taught what CRT is is different than being taught using CRT. You pretend to be an independent thinker but in reality you adopt the left’s framing. They, and you, choose to focus on the word games because you don’t want people discussing the damaging racism. This is not a libertarian priority.
So, what news sources do you think are non-partisan and high quality.
^This Jeff.
And don't ignore it.
>> 24 mins ago
thinking!
I think NPR is pretty good, for their news shows like All Things Considered and Morning Edition. Their other longer-form shows like 1A or This American Life are much more slanted of course.
AP/Reuters/UPI are pretty good.
I don’t watch cable news anymore so I can’t say anything about those.
Internationally, I would say BBC and The Economist and Die Welt are decent sources of information.
Hope that answers your question.
I think NPR is pretty good
Good god. nuff said
Better than the Federalist.
Sure, if you're a radical leftist.
So only "radical leftists" would think that NPR is higher quality journalism than an explicitly conservative opinion site like the Federalist?
Nowadays? Yes.
Well, maybe some neurotic wine moms too.
News flash: "Radical leftists" think NPR is a tool of corporate media.
News flash: “Radical leftists” are a tool of corporate media.
The lefties that still stood by free speech and free inquiry are now called evil, alt-right, conspiracy spreading QAnons by you and your ilk.
Millennials are the most mentally ill and immature generation in American history. So many never reached adulthood.
The "Greatest Generation" said that about the Boomers. Boomers said that about Gen X. And so on and so forth. I'll bet every older generation has said something similar about the next one.
Maybe they were all correct. Or maybe I'm just becoming an old fart. I hope it's the latter, but I don't know. Recent generations have had unprecedented leisure and entitlement. I'm sure people were just as fucking dumb in the past, but at least they had to go out and do something to avoid abject poverty.
Boomers barely cared about Gen-X except when they were marketing action figures and sugary cereals to them in the 1980s, and dirge music, shitty-colored clothes, and weed paraphernalia in the 1990s. The only people of that generation who were ever marked as mentally ill weirdos were the late-Gen X goth kids.
No, sorry, the Millennials stand out—uniquely infantile, helpless, and out of touch with reality. It isn't just that old folks always grumble about "kids today".
Take away a millennial's phone and leave them a note saying that you will give back if they get together with you tonight. They will have zero idea how to process that. They can't bridge the gap when you remove technology.
So, a lot of whatever comes after millennials are young adults now. Do you think it has improved? Or are you like me and still think of everyone younger than you as "fucking millennials".
they were so fucking proud about being millennials they should forever wear it
Hell, walk into a roomful of millennials, you get the strong whiff of male-pattern baldness and menopause.
Have you seen Zoomer mental illness rates? Their stats are way through the roof, especially when they identify as left-wingers--mainly because there is cultural status now in being a head case.
A lot of that is Munchausen-by-proxy. If the Zoomers can get away from Mom and Dad (and public school teachers), their mental health will look better.
we may be able to chalk some of it up to social desirability bias.
Raise your hand if you had ENB minimizing the left’s outrageousness with wishcasting on your bingo card. Honestly that’s an extra free square.
The left? How about half an entire generational cohort.
So if someone demands you call them Emperor Bonaparte, it's "the kind thing to do" to comply? If I refuse, I'm a jerk?
Stop kowtowing to the mentally deranged and those pretending to be mentally deranged for attention. Shame and derision in society exist for a reason. It won't cure the mentally deranged, but it just might prod them into seeking professional help, and it will put an end to the freaks using a mental illness for attention.
44 percent of millennials refuse to believe facts.