Colorado Can't Force a Graphic Designer To Create Same-Sex Wedding Websites, Supreme Court Rules
The decision reverses a terrible previous decision by the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.

The government may not compel someone to "create speech she does not believe," the Supreme Court ruled this morning. In a 6–3 opinion authored by Justice Neil Gorsuch, the Court sided with a graphic designer, Lorie Smith, who wanted to expand into the wedding-website business without being forced by Colorado law to create products celebrating same-sex marriages.
Back in 2021, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit found that the planned websites would each constitute "an original, customized creation," designed by Smith "using text, graphics, and in some cases videos" with a goal of celebrating the couple's "unique love story." As such, it said they "qualify as 'pure speech' protected by the First Amendment." The lower court admitted that Smith was willing to provide her services to anyone, regardless of race, religion, or sexual orientation, so long as the substance of the project did not contradict her values. It also recognized that "Colorado's 'very purpose' in seeking to apply its law to Ms. Smith" was to stamp out dissenting ideas about marriage. Despite all of that, incredibly, the 10th Circuit held that the state government was within its authority to compel her to create such websites against her will.
Lamenting "an unfortunate tendency by some to defend First Amendment values only when they find the speaker's message sympathetic," Gorsuch—joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh, Samuel Alito, and Amy Coney Barrett—concluded otherwise.
The ruling in 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis is neither as narrow nor as broad as it (theoretically) could have been. The Court didn't do away with public accommodations, or businesses prohibited from discriminating against customers on the basis of characteristics such as skin color or national origin. It did note that "no public accommodations law is immune from the demands of the Constitution" and that "public accommodations statutes can sweep too broadly when deployed to compel speech." (The Colorado law was guilty in this instance.)
The high court also didn't establish a right for any and every business owner to decline to provide services for same-sex weddings—only those whose services involve expressive activity. Whether a particular service (say, cake baking) is expressive will have to be litigated case by case.
But the majority did decide Smith's case by appealing to free-expression precedents rather than religious-liberty ones. In other words, the justices didn't say that the faith-based nature of Smith's beliefs about marriage entitled her to an exemption. Presumably, a secular person with moral or factual objections to expressing a particular message would receive all the same protections as a Christian or Muslim objecting on religious grounds. As it should be.
"The opportunity to think for ourselves and to express those thoughts freely is among our most cherished liberties and part of what keeps our Republic strong," Gorsuch wrote in his majority opinion. "Of course, abiding the Constitution's commitment to the freedom of speech means all of us will encounter ideas we consider…'misguided, or even hurtful'….But tolerance, not coercion, is our Nation's answer."
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An off the shelf cake, fine, there is no legitimate reason to refuse on protected characteristic alone. Once you're commissioning anything for a specific date, manner and time you're SOL as refusing to allow one party to decline is mo different from enslaving them for the term.
Wrong wrong wrong. Whether it is an off the shelf cake or a custom masterpiece (see what I did there?), it is nobody's business except the business owner's.
What I really don't understand is why anybody would sue to force someone to bake a cake for them. Last thing I would want to eat.
Because like how whites must (eventually) become slaves to blacks (to pay for their past sins), Christians must be made to worship globohomo.
Speaking of which,
https://nypost.com/2023/06/30/sparks-fly-at-californias-final-reparations-task-force-meeting-nows-the-time-for-a-divorce/
What if you can't find a gay wedding cake baker?
I keed.
You'll have to settle for a cream filled twinkie.
Don’t you mean twink?
Hey-ooooh!
Open one up yourself. Or get together with like-minded people pool your money and open one up.
WHOOOOSH
Hey, I bet if I get enough money together and get on the right websites, I can find a gay cake baker to "open up" for me...
There are plenty of people that will take your money. These people specifically look for a Christian to start trouble.
Why not ask an Islamic cake baker to make your gay wedding cake? I am sure they are much more tolerant than Christians, then again they might throw you off a high building just for the request.
This is about religious freedom.
Can a Islamic baker be forced to decorate a cake with an image of Allah on it if someone requests that?
Cam a Jewish kosher caterer be forced to cook and serve pork sausages, bacon, ham and catfish for an event?
Or is it only Christians that can be forced to violate their religious beliefs?
It's not about obtaining a cake or a web site. The entire purpose of this abusive litigation is to punish dissent.
-jcr
^
The website designer sued the state.
For violating her personal religious beliefs, and she won. This has much wider implications than most people realize. Again answer me these questions:
Can a Islamic baker be forced to decorate a cake with an image of Allah on it if someone requests that?
Can a Jewish kosher caterer be forced to cook and serve pork sausages, bacon, ham and catfish for an event?
Or is it only Christians that can be forced to violate their religious beliefs?
I await an answers from anyone on any side of the issue.
Please be specific and explain why they should or should not be forced to violate their religious beliefs.
I am genuinely wondering how people feel about this issue.
If I have some off-the-shelf cake that's already baked and doesn't require any artistic embellishment or further creativity or customization, who cares?
If you're asking me to do something *further*, to use my special expertise and creativity to create something unique, with a message or symbol or etc, then you and I are going to have to agree on the meaning.
If I have some off-the-shelf cake that’s already baked and doesn’t require any artistic embellishment or further creativity or customization, who cares?
Rather fundamental to libertarianism and or anti-slavery: until I've bought the cake, is it yours or mine? If I can demand the cake on my terms and retaliate disproportionately and punitively otherwise, you don't own the product of your labor and we aren't equals before the law.
It is a perversion and I will say it.
Like taking your spouse to court because they don't love you.
(and no wonder "I am so happy about my gay 'marriage' I think I'll destroy some hardworking guy's livelihood" -- what's perverted there)
The real travesty is not that it took 5 years to settle this issue, but that everyone accepts that kind of delay as ordinary and justifiable.
Learned judges with offices full of well-educated clerks and libraries full of case histories can take months and years to study an issue, and still come up with split verdicts and multiple opinions. Yet the public is expected to obey these future decisions on the spur of the moment.
The US legal system is not a justice system.
The second real travesty is that everyone involved thinks all this is properly the government's arena. Whatever happened to just butting out and leaving people alone? Leave the bigots to show their bigotry in public, let the public know who to avoid. So much simpler, so much less sturm und drang.
Don't hurt people and don't take their stuff.
Self-ownership.
It ain't hard until the government steps in.
Shoots and scores!
Masterpiece Cake shop is still going after a decade.
I've long hoped for a bakery along the lines of those raw pizza places where you bake them at home.
A "take your cake and bake it too" kind of place.
Have Your Cake and Bake it Too.
Thank me later.
What’s the frosting on top?
Cook at home pizzas are in the shape they are going to be when you leave the store, and need no special pan to cook.
What is a "cook at home" cake shop going to give you? A bag of batter? And the pan to cook it in?
Does not translate.
Sounds like an Ikea cake.
There’s several common size pans. 13X9 being one of them.
You can cut it with a feather.
As a Pansexual, I could go for that! 🙂
Nothing is settled. The Colorado commission will be back shortly with another round of stupid. There truly is a 'gay political mafia' here - really rich, 100% committed to eliminating discrimination/hostility to gay based on religion. With a significant religious contingent here that wants to 'establish' anti-gay based on religion. There will be another case. And this commission will not be persuaded by Gorsuch's putting this opinion in secular 1A speech terms. Though they may have to get more creative.
The SC should just throw out the sections of the CRA of 64 which created this mess in the first place. There is nowhere in the constitution that allows the govt to force sellers to sell (in certain cases controlled by politicians) but allows buyers to discriminate which is what we have today. Just show some balls and allow free economic transactions again in the country. As for Colorado..time to do some serious pedo investigation..seems like some rich folks there might be involved in pedo/grooming..
Any libertarian who is arguing about the CRA is an asshole who is not worth listening to about anything else.
can you explain why?
Anybody who doesn't see that the CRA enforced as affirmatively as possible doesn't undermine several other more fundamental rights *including* equality before the law isn't willing to engage in free speech about the hard questions about liberty and is content to be more oxymoronic and willfully stupid than the religious fundamentalists they claim to oppose.
Even Christians debate 'Thou shalt not kill.' vs. 'Thou shalt not murder.' and 'Render unto Caesar.' among themselves, but your divine retardation is too sacrosanct to even discuss? Your intellect and tolerance doesn't rise to even the level of Fred Phelps or David Duke.
"Don’t hurt people and don’t take their stuff."
Well, Mister Liberty, how the fuck are we going to force people to submit to the current doctrine and punish certain groups for imaginary offenses?
Well credentials is not well educated
Too right! That is exactly the way to do this. Freedom of expression, association, and production and exchange, dare I say it, swings all ways and in all directions.
https://youtu.be/k4dlH3uZ7Os
Again, all three leftwing justices sided with the far left rage mob. What a surprise.
Well two of them may be part of the sisterhood.
Emotion and tribalism are unfortunately an evolutionary trait of the gender. Govt is the controlled paternal daddy...it can provide and punish the men who did this or that to them. This is why trannies pushing castration of their sons is so popular with these types...it is about physically and mentally castrating as a power grab.
I wonder if they actually believe the horseshit in their dissent or they're just afraid of their fellow lefturds sending them to the gulag.
-jcr
I’ve known people like them, they believe.
Those 3 women are among the 10 dumbest Justices of my lifetime of watching Justices.
Almost like they were picked because they are rabid idealogue diversity hires and not based onnqualifications
I wanted to see some coverage of the dissent. I doubt there is anything principled or constitutional there, but I'd like to see the rationale as well as the sort of criticism we see for the right
I think the media is deliberately avoiding publishing the dissents in the opinions released yesterday because they are so embarrassingly lacking in legal doctrine. Scotusblog has links to the decisions and I read a bit of the dissent by Jackson on the AA case. It was pathetic and read more like a social justice college student's letter to the campus newspaper.
Jared Polis has been forced by court order to just leave you alone.
Then Governor Dreamy will be just not into you.
Are you sitting comfortably? (now)
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
SCOTUS to ban Trannie Twerking next. The Culture Wars are the most important thing.
You never tire of being completely irrelevant, do you?
Culture is important. Why else would Marxists insist on a war?
And screech so much when they're resisted.
I know, right? Just let the school chemically castrate him. Quit fighting Kultur warr hurr durrr. Let's turn the conversation to gas stoves...
And Pizza ovens
Yeah, SCOTUS had to step in to stop the left's culture war on non-leftists in this case. Shame it has to do that, but somebody does.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
What is it with Colorado and forcing Christians to say gay? There's only one cake bakery and one web page designer in the whole state?
The Colorado Civil Rights Commission is loaded with neomarxist trash, is the reason. Denver is basically East Portland.
Also a shit public accommodation law that violates freedom of association.
Both the bakery and the web-site lawsuits were targeted to harass the individual providers. There are plenty of bakeries and web-site designers in Denver and surrounding cities who would have satisfied those clients.
What? Nooo!
Really. And the sad thing is one of the best ways to support your group/tribe/culture is to support them in the marketplace. Find the lesbian bakery, the gay web-designer, the trans graphic artist and hire them to do the work you need. Then promote them from a positive light as baker/designer/artist first, LBGTQRST second. That is the much more organic path to acceptance. Marketplace rape, forcing yourself and your ideology on a business through aggression with government protection, only results in more division and polarization.
I read one raging queen today writing that all gay businesses should refuse to serve the Christian right. Hmmm, there's something to ponder.
Did the "raging queen" write anything about Rainbow Flag-banning Muslims?
Muslims are now honorary Christian nationalists.
And they should have every right to do so in a free nation. Mandatory 'service' of others by Gov-Gun poking is slavery.
Yeah, like blacks can’t eat here? Or this private hospital is only for whites so take your emergency to the black hospital in the next county? Sorry, in a world with so many assholes society sometimes needs to step in. The world of humans can never be a libertarian dream.
Find the lesbian baker, and force her to bake a cake with Leviticus 20:13 inscribed in frosting? And if she refuses, sue her for violating that same law (creed)?
Note: it was the section on "directly or indirectly, to publish, circulate, issue, display, post, or mail any written, electronic, or printed communication, notice, or advertisement that indicates that the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations" that 303 was fighting.
2)(a) It is a discriminatory practice and unlawful for a person, directly or indirectly, to refuse, withhold from, or deny to an individual or a group, because of disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, marital status, national origin, or ancestry, the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation or, directly or indirectly, to publish, circulate, issue, display, post, or mail any written, electronic, or printed communication, notice, or advertisement that indicates that the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from, or denied an individual or that an individual's patronage or presence at a place of public accommodation is unwelcome, objectionable, unacceptable, or undesirable because of disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, marital status, national origin, or ancestry.
Someone tried that after the Masterpiece Cakeshop case, but the CO Civil Rights Commission dismissed it.
Christian hate groups that use the courts to do violence against the people they would like to destroy.
Where has that happened? If anything, it’s the other way around–look at Jack Phillips for an example.
He’s *Projecting* his ‘hate group’ of Christians onto anyone else around.
…because that’s what Leftard Nazi’s do.
I read that as groups that hate Christian's and it then makes sense and has real examples.
That is what I meant. When talking about hate groups they adopt the name of the group they hate. Jewish hate groups aren't Jews, they hate Jews.
lol... I too had to reword my comment a few times to clarify which was which :).. and sure missed the boat on your comment. Thanks for the clarification.
Gay hate groups use their dominate position in society to marginalize and belittle their adversaries.
But remember, the legion of frivolous hyperlitigious trolls waiting to take down the internet once the barrier of S230 falls is the real threat to free speech.
No. It's an ongoing war between a group of really rich gays - and religious groups who have been trying to establish anti-gay via religion rationale. These two cases are just the latest in a long string of political legal battles. And it is one reason (abortion is the other) CO has turned from purple to blue. This ain't the Bible Belt even if Focus on the Family and many Springs R's want that.
1992 - Amendment 2 defines marriage in basically Xian terms
1994 - CO SC overturns that as unconstitutional confirmed in
1996 - by USSC in Romer v Evans
1996 - CO legislature passed a bill prohibiting same sex marriage - vetoed
1997 - CO legislature passed a similar law - vetoed
2000 - CO legislature passed a similar law - signed by Gov
2006 - Amendment 43 puts the same into the Constitution with other stuff
2008 - Legislature passes law prohibiting public discrimination against gays.
2014 - A dozen or so lawsuits challenge the same-sex marriage ban statute/amendment on grounds ranging from undermining common-law marriage (legal in CO since 1887), recognizing out-of-state marriages, civil disobedience, county clerk disobedience, denial of marriage benefits/protections, etc.
2015 - Obergefell v Hodges
2016 - 303 Creative LLC v Evans starts getting filed but it takes years to get to the SC.
2017 - Masterpiece Cake v CCRC decided by SC
2018 - Masterpiece Cake v Hickenlooper (same bakery, transgender cake)
2020 - 4 R's introduce legislation to ban same-sex marriage. It doesn't pass.
2023 - 303 Creative LLC v Evans decided by SC. This case was not like the 1st bake cake one which was initiated by the cake customer. The 2nd bake cake one was initiated by the baker with a religious/lawyer group funding it. The website designer initiated the case herself with the same religious/lawyer group funding it.
If I understand rightly what you say you have it backwards.
Many , incl Christians , know gay acts are abominable and perverted and wrong. What bothers you is not that they obey the law about gays but that they won't say it is a good thing. That is how I read your ambivalent phrasing. Nobody , 303 or Masterpiece or all the rest, is doing anything about the law you invoke , they just in conscience think that it is perversion and lust and something wrong. You can't make the law tell them to think differently !!!
The 303 case is explicitly about creating an exception to the 2008 anti-discrimination law. It’s not really about gay marriage since there was never any customer who asked her for a website for a gay marriage. For that matter, there is no evidence that she has ever done any web site for any gay customer since that wasn’t what the lawsuit was about and there is no customer anywhere.
The advocacy group that funded the case has no interest in protecting speech. Their goal is to recriminalize homosexuality.
"Their goal is to recriminalize homosexuality."
Wow! I assume that's written in their little clubs constitution and its posted online? .... or are you a mind reader?
“Believe” not “know”.
Jesus said that if a man marries a woman, has children, she gets older, so he dumps her and marries a sexy young babe, he is committing adultery. Jesus talked about this much more than homosexuality because it generally involves emotional pain for the ex-wife and the children, and so in that sense is worse than gay marriage. I think it is fine for this person to have the right of refusal; I support that, I just question why she singles out gay people and not adulterers. What if you design a website, a couple gets married, and later you find out the guy was formerly a child molester? What are you going to do, have a "sin" questionaire that says, "If you say yes to any of the above, I will not do business with you?"
What are you going to do, have a “sin” questionaire that says, “If you say yes to any of the above, I will not do business with you?”
False equivalence to the case at hand.
What did Jesus say about when a woman does the horizontal mamba with a man and gets in the family way?
woman does the horizontal mamba with a man
A mamba? Someone's going to get bit, and it's not going to end well.
This woman is clearly a heretic, and as such has no constitutional rights. Next case!
Interesting test case for Colorado's public accommodation law. Refuse to do business with second marriages if the previous marriage ended in divorce, because sin. I'm guessing it would be ok if you refused straight couples (not a protected class), but you would still be fucked for refusing second gay marriages.
Jesus didn't do any of that. He said marriage is two of God's children making a commitment. Why do you make the silly statement about the website. You want the website designer to be of your motivation. But the Justices said "You cannot see her coinvictions as a veiled attempt to overthrow the law that lets you dignify your perversion (as she sees it)
You are like the slaveowners that Lincoln said were mad because they don't say slavery is a good thing.
THis is it exactly. and this is one of the clean commonsense rulings of SCOTUS in my lifetime. I applaud it.
Can you post those verses for us?
Can I still force a cake maker on Colorado to print a page from a gay website onto a cake? Because access to gay cake is the second most important right.
"The high court also didn't establish a right for any and every business owner to decline to provide services for same-sex weddings—only those whose services involve expressive activity."
In these cases, I think the 13th amendment would apply. For obvious reasons.
If only.
SCOTUS just might save a little of the USA after all...
Keep going! +10000000....
At least until the next fortified election.
Colorado legislature: Hold my shrooms!
public accommodations statutes can sweep too broadly when deployed to compel speech.
I haven't read the decision nor am I likely to. But one of the reasons, the website designer initiated the case (it wasn't a customer who did that) was that she wanted to ADVERTISE that she wouldn't design websites about gay marriage. Which was apparently part of the 2008 law that she wanted overturned. And yet this article says the designer is ok re serving gay customers as long as its not about gay marriage. IOW - she had no customers who were trying to compel her to design a website. Rather she was asserting a constitutional right to avoid complying with a law - so that those customers wouldn't show up
I assume there is a reason the decision is really narrow and stuff may have changed in the interim. But I don't understand how that decision is really supposed to apply. She can advertise that she doesn't want no steenkin website about gay marriage - but in small print (not that there's anything wrong with other gay business)? I don't get it.
Is this really a lawsuit based on real business decisions? Or a lawsuit based on sending some sort of message to find a way to overturn a 2008 anti-discrimination law? Or is it just about the CCRC admin type judgements?
Oh no, a lawsuit based on sending a message, how can I live in such a reality!
If you don't bake the cake or build the website, it's like having a bear in your trunk.
It's a website design who currently is designing websites. She wanted to expand her business into doing weddings, but if she did advertise she'd do wedding sites, she'd be forced to design websites for gay couples, regardless of her preferences. So before she did that, she was seeking permission from the government to run her business in a way that didn't violate her rights.
You can speculate about her motives, perhaps a desire to push a case to the Supreme Court. But as things stood, the government had a specific legal requirement she had to obey if she wanted to engage in a specific business model that she challenged on 1st Amendment grounds.
Ok. That makes sense now.
Her motives are far less important than the motives of her lawyers and those are well known.
so buyers can discriminate but sellers can't? That is the fallacy of this whole business since the CRA 0f 64. Get govt out of the discriminating business and that is it. People are just being douche bags when they go looking to get someone to "bake my cake"...go somewhere else. Or decide that as long as the buyer can pay for the product or service, the seller has to sell no matter what. The current "protected class" bullshit is the problem.
Anti-discrimination laws beyond govt not discriminating or passing laws forcing people to are nonsensical and anti liberty. Libertarians should be screaming for their repeal.
Anyone who wants to incorporate - to receive the benefits of limited liability from the legal system - had better accept that society creates conditions and requirements.
Deal with it.
10th Circuit had it correct. US v Texas highlights why - the entire matter was speculative.
I’m curious why Thomas concurred in this considering his reasoning in Moore v Harper. Given the complainant had not suffered any actual harm – there was never anyone asking her to make said website, that person never existed and the entire thing was speculative – you’d think Thomas’s reasoning about it being moot would have applied. He also had it wrong in Harper because while the complainants had received relief (which is why Thomas felt it was moot), the issue could have just as easily be in front of the court again given the same issue and the ruling set precedent by preventing further cases that would argue the independent state legislature theory.
Just… sloppy thinking, all the way around.
That is simply wrong. Having your Constitutional rights infringed is considered a harm even if nothing tangible happens to you.
Let’s say Montana passed a law imposing the death penalty for watching The View. Would you think that only a person who had suffered through actually watching the show, and then was arrested and tried and sentenced to hang would have standing to sue?
Of course not. Most sensible people would not court disaster in that way. The threat is enough. The law would have its intended effect — and without anyone willing to risk death to watch Whoopie and friends, there would be no recourse against this plainly unconstitutional law.
Isn't watching The View really punishment enough on its own? I'd think death would actually be a blessing at that point.
Christians in general are much more accepting of same sex liaisons. Christ welcomed all to his church, and that is as it should be, but not all should be given leadership in the church, and what the bible calls obvious sins should not be supported. Jesus forgave, but said "go and sin no more".
On the other hand Islam condemns same sex and in some countries a same sex act carries the death penalty. Often “morality police” throw homosexuals off tall buildings. So why does the gay community focus on Christians that are more accepting? You would think they would be trying Moslem’s to bake their cakes and design their websites if they want to force real change. Of course they would certainly be risking their lives with those actions, much safer to pick on the more tolerant Christians.
One of the great clear rulings of my lifetime.
I read the negative comments here and they are all the same : I am upset that you don't say that legal sex acts are good and not perverted and not immoral.
But that is a speech restriction and not a legal action at all.
I know many who support , some reluctantly, gay legal arrangements termed 'marriage', but absolutely DESPISE the immorality of it.
Okay, Some people prefer Streisand to the Rolling Stones and that is perverse too, BUT LEGAL
Except there is no 'inherent' right to get a government status symbol.
A famous misconception of the left; they paint entitlements (forcing their wants on everyone) as rights.
Humorously it’s the only time a leftard even acknowledges supposed ‘Individual Rights’ is when they are actually *entitlements* they know they cannot possibly win by majority. Otherwise they resort to [WE] mob RULES (i.e. “democracy”) arguments.
Which is fitting to their criminalistic-mentality view of everything. Any manipulation, projection, deception or excuses to STEAL more from those ‘icky’ people they have dehumanized in their self-entitled greedy F’Up-ed heads. Because that’s what Nazi’s do. That’s what Slavers do. That’s what lies at the foundation of every Communist nation. Gov-Guns (be it via slaves) makes them ?free? sh*t.
And lets not forget their ?Charity?… “I volunteer my Gov-Gun slaves for ‘charity’ in my name that I apparently cannot offer myself.”.. It’s always about UN-deserved entitlement (at the cost of others) to leftards. /s
I'm upset someone is pushing their superstitions on the rest of us.
Stuff your "immorality" up your ass.
Seems fairly clear it's the message and not the customer.
Are we supposed to believe that the baker or website designer would AGREE to make the cake or website for a gay wedding (etc.) if only a heterosexual person had been the actual customer (e.g., straight sister buying a cake or website for her lesbian sister and SIL-to-be)?
And only refused BECAUSE the customer was gay? As if, had a self-loathing gay had come to the shop and asked for a Leviticus-heavy website, that the designer would have REFUSED the business?
This is the best observation I've seen here.
From the Federalist
Writing for the majority, Gorsuch left little doubt the current court has a vested interest in defending Americans’ rights to free speech and religious liberty. Here’s a list detailing eight of his best lines from the opinion.
1. Gorsuch blasted Justice Sonia Sotomayor and the dissent for distorting the facts of the case.
It is difficult to read the dissent and conclude we are looking at the same case. Much of it focuses on the evolution of public accommodations laws … and the strides gay Americans have made towards securing equal justice under law … And, no doubt, there is much to applaud here. But none of this answers the question we face today: Can a State force someone who provides her own expressive services to abandon her conscience and speak its preferred message instead?
When the dissent finally gets around to that question—more than halfway into its opinion—it reimagines the facts of this case from top to bottom.
2. State-enforced speech is a blatant violation of the First Amendment.
If [Ms. Smith] wishes to speak, she must either speak as the State demands or face sanctions for expressing her own beliefs, sanctions that may include compulsory participation in ‘remedial . . . training,’ filing periodic compliance reports as officials deem necessary, and paying monetary fines. … Under our precedents, that ‘is enough,’ more than enough, to represent an impermissible abridgment of the First Amendment’s right to speak freely.
3. The dissent’s arguments in favor of coercing Smith’s speech are illogical.
In some places, the dissent gets so turned around about the facts that it opens fire on its own position. For instance: While stressing that a Colorado company cannot refuse ‘the full and equal enjoyment of [its] services’ based on a customer’s protected status … the dissent assures us that a company selling creative services ‘to the public’ does have a right ‘to decide what messages to include or not to include’ … But if that is true, what are we even debating?
4. The First Amendment guarantees free speech protections for all Americans.
[T]he First Amendment extends to all persons engaged in expressive conduct, including those who seek profit (such as speechwriters, artists, and website designers). … If anything is truly dispiriting here, it is the dissent’s failure to take seriously this Court’s enduring commitment to protecting the speech rights of all comers, no matter how controversial—or even repugnant—many may find the message at hand.
5. Nuking the dissent for abandoning its obligation to uphold free speech.
Today, however, the dissent abandons what this Court’s cases have recognized time and time again: A commitment to speech for only some messages and some persons is no commitment at all. By approving a government’s effort to'[e]liminat[e]’ disfavored ‘ideas,’ … today’s dissent is emblematic of an unfortunate tendency by some to defend First Amendment values only when they find the speaker’s message sympathetic.
6. The Constitution calls for tolerance of others’ speech and religious expression, not state-enforced coercion.
Of course, abiding the Constitution’s commitment to the freedom of speech means all of us will encounter ideas we consider ‘unattractive,’ … ‘misguided, or even hurtful’ … But tolerance, not coercion, is our Nation’s answer. The First Amendment envisions the United States as a rich and complex place where all persons are free to think and speak as they wish, not as the government demands.
7. Free speech is a foundational principle of the American experiment.
[T]he opportunity to think for ourselves and to express those thoughts freely is among our most cherished liberties and part of what keeps our Republic strong.
8. The Constitution trumps all.
[T]his Court has also recognized that no public accommodations law is immune from the demands of the Constitution. In particular, this Court has held, public accommodations statutes can sweep too broadly when deployed to compel speech. … When a state public accommodations law and the Constitution collide, there can be no question which must prevail.
Trump is the greatest president in living memory and it's not even close. And that's just for the 3 appointments he made. Taking back america one ruling at a time. it's great to see
It's one of the reasons they were so desperate to get him out of office.
Came here to post pretty much the same.
A rousing "thank you!" to Donald Trump and and equally rousing "up yours!" to the TDS-addled shits who gave us Biden.
Gorsuch is such a treasure. He's batting about .900 at this point. We dont deserve him.
Trump should have nominated three Gorsuch's...
Hopefully Lori Smith is able to recoup her legal costs from Colorado.
Why? Her case was all "fake news" - no gay person actually demanded she work for them. Overturning a law you haven't broken yet but might is a little like Joan Rivers' joke that she was going to sue Frank Sinatra for palimony for the ten years she would have lived with him had he asked her.
Partially correct. There was no gay couple involved in the case, but the state had threatened enforcement action even on the basis of her stating that she wouldn't provide design services for a gay wedding. That's more than enough reason to sue to get the state off her back.
No they didn’t. The lawsuit was entirely about hypotheticals. And was kept going for multiple years by the web designer and her lawyers – not by the state. What’s funny is that both sides admit that. In the opinion –
Instead of addressing the parties’ stipulations about the case actually before us, the dissent spends much of its time adrift on a sea of hypotheticals about photographers, stationers, and others, asking if they too provide expressive services covered by the First Amendment.
So according to the majority, the dissent is adrift on a sea of hypotheticals. But every single one of those stipulations is also a hypothetical or a speculation. Not an agreement about facts in the case. Or about someone who was ever harmed. Because no one has been harmed. Except hypothetically. Maybe.
Clear as mud . SCOTUS strikes again !
Because they don't want to deal with the real problem..the way the CRA was written...clearly this crap that buyers can discriminate but sellers can't in certain ways but can in others causes these legal "gymnastics"...it makes no sense the way we have allowed this irrational thinking codified as law since 64.
This insanity is the result of politicans not allowing people to engage in economic transactions w/o some social engineering. The CRA went way beyond banning govt from discriminating and passing laws forcing people to discriminate. It created this bizarre situation where buyers can discriminate but sellers can't under certain circumstances decided upon by said politicians (to buy votes of course and enrich their tribes).
Time to get the govt out of all economic transactions and dump this racist idea of "protected" groups..there are no protected groups in a free country..just free people.
A good article on exactly that -- https://www.centralmaine.com/2014/07/19/goldwaters-vote-against-civil-rights-act-of-1964-unfairly-branded-him-a-racist/
Democrats really tricked the Republicans in 1964 with their racist *entitlement* bill. Just like they did with their "Cares Act". And their stunts continue on today bill after bill after bill.
The main issue here is that gay "marriage" is about a man shooting a load into another man's tush. Everything else is secondary.
In the U.S., about 128,500 same-sex couples include at least one foreign-born partner/spouse. Approximately 94,400 of these couples are binational, meaning that one partner/spouse is a native-born U.S. citizen and the other is either a naturalized citizen or a non-citizen.
What's that? 73.4%
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/lgbt-immigrants-in-the-us/
Or maybe it's just all about finding a loophole in the law.
Baking a generic cake for sale to the general public is obviously not the same thing as decorating a cake with a specific message and theme for a particular purpose for a particular person. Designing web content with a specific message for a specific person or purpose is also obviously not the same thing as setting up websites for someone to post whatever content they want to put there. Refusing to sell a generic cake in your store, open to the general public, to a gay person or person of color because you don’t approve of their skin color or sexual preferences is clearly discriminatory (whether there’s a law forbidding it or not) and the First Amendment clearly takes precedence over laws requiring you to design content you disapprove of. It seems painfully obvious to me and it’s about time the Supreme Court did their job and said so.
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Exactly. Could A Christian minister, Islamic cleric or Jewish Rabbi, licensed by the state to preform marriages, be compelled (forced) by the state to preform a Satanic ritual marriage? What if they are the only clergy available in a limited geographical area? Does that change things?
If you think that force by the government is reasonable explain why? This has far reaching implications about religion, not just gays.
This case brought before SCOTUS was fake. The website designer was never contacted to create a wedding website. He actually doesn’t do wedding websites. It was a hypothetical case that government lawyers should have found out about and plaintiff lawyers failed to disclose. It is an attempt to create a precedent on a non-existing matter that will be used in future litigation. Doesn't bode well for the Judges...
So the Tenth Circuit erred in not vacating the lower court judgment for lack of standing?
https://youtu.be/k4dlH3uZ7Os
Sorry to hear that. You should design websites.
https://youtu.be/k4dlH3uZ7Os
Dee’s entered Misek territory where she’s talking to bots.
I wonder what the 'return on invsetment' for that?
I mean, who responds to this nonsense?
his employment agreement has a minimum posting requirement
I thought it was slightly funny.
In all fairness, I talk to “HonestEconomics” and tell him in various ways that I don’t want anything from his blog unless it is relevant to the topic. Also, I jibe “AngelinaJolie” about her movies and her passel o’ younguns. It make their spam at least sufferable if not funny.
As for Herr Misek, his bot-talk shows how deep into his dogma and ‘doxy he is. Hell, Herr Misek would condemn Torx Tools as a Jewish conspiracy because the bit-head looks like a Star of David.
🙂
I was about to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I remembered who he is.
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Thank you. It wasn’t intended to be any more than slightly funny, so goal achieved.
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