Cops Use Phony Diagnoses To Explain Away Stun Gun Deaths
The National Association of Medical Examiners now says "excited delirium" should not be cited as a cause of death.

A small change in wording by medical examiners could have a big impact on how deaths in police custody are reported. In March, the National Association of Medical Examiners (NAME) said "excited delirium" should not be cited as a cause of death.
"Instead," the organization said, "NAME endorses that the underlying cause, natural or unnatural (to include trauma), for the delirious state be determined (if possible) and used for death certification." While that guidance is not legally binding, it further undermines the concept of excited delirium, which proponents describe as a state of wild agitation or distress, often resulting from illicit drug use, that can lead to sudden cardiac arrest. NAME now joins the American Medical Association and the American Psychiatric Association in not recognizing excited delirium as a cause of death.
The controversial term was popularized in the 1980s by a Miami forensic pathologist who was study sudden deaths of cocaine users, most of them in police custody. Nearly all "excited delirium" victims die after being tased or physically restrained by police. Since 2000, a 2017 Reuters investigation found, excited delirium had been linked to at least 276 deaths following the use of a stun gun, which suggested that electrocution, not excitement or agitation, was largely responsible.
The diagnosis has been used in other scenarios to clear police or other state actors. In 2019, three Aurora, Colorado, police officers accosted 23-year-old Elijah McClain as he was walking home from a convenience store and violently restrained him. McClain died after two paramedics diagnosed him with excited delirium and forcibly injected him with an overdose of ketamine, a powerful sedative. From January 2019 through September 2020, the Colorado Attorney General's Office found, Aurora paramedics injected people with ketamine 22 times in response to what they perceived as excited delirium.
A year after McClain's death, police officers in Rochester, New York, tackled Daniel Prude, a man having a mental health episode. The officers forced a spit hood over Prude's head and pinned him to the ground for three minutes until he stopped breathing. An autopsy report attributed Prude's death to "complications of asphyxia in the setting of physical restraint due to excited delirium due to acute [PCP] intoxication."
For decades, excited delirium diagnoses have helped police and correctional officers avoid liability for killing suspects. The NAME announcement is a welcome acknowledgment that medical examiners have an ethical duty to independently report the truth.
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What the fuck is this trash? I mean the article is utter garbage from sourcing to writing to everything in between. We get a link to a membersclick.net PDF that looks like some teen could’ve typed it up, with no letterhead, and no official signature, being passed off as official statement without even the slightest recognition that it looks very much like unofficial horseshit.
Further, the linked piece of bullshit and the article itself effectively describes “excited delirium” as “undermined”, seemingly in an effort to portray it as junk science, despite the fact that recommendation acknowledges and requires excited delirium as a premise and, instead, rather overtly recommends coroners try to play psychiatrist post mortem.
Further still, the bullshit recommendation and the bullshit fabrications obviously inserted by Reason don’t add up to the conclusions. The original “excited delirium” paper cites a handful of deaths, *without tasers* and *outside police custody* from 1985 and references Bell’s Mania going back to the 19th Century. The refutations supposedly invoking tasers are even less clear and more spurious (276 cases in 23 years?) and ketamine (22 uses, by paramedics, and only one death?) than the underlying/existing science narrative.
This is an obvious and shitty retcon. For yourself, the people you’re supposedly advocating on behalf of, and everyone around you do better or just fucking quit. Because this practice of heaping unending piles of bullshit on people until they suffocate is literally stupid and evil.
“The controversial term was popularized in the 1980s by a Miami forensic pathologist who was study sudden deaths of cocaine users”
Editor!? Can I get an editor!?
Reason doesn't have any on staff.
Taxers are lethal to a small percentage of the population.
When police pull that trigger THEY KNOW that there is a very real probability, even if small, that the person WILL DIE.
They are NOT non lethal.
“A 2012 study published in the American Heart Association's journal Circulation found that Tasers can cause "ventricular arrhythmias, sudden cardiac arrest and even death." At least 49 people died in 2018 in the US after being shocked by police with a Taser.
Medical conditions or use of illegal drugs can significantly heighten such risk for subjects in an at-risk category. In some cases however, death occurred after Taser use coupled with the use of force alone, such as positional asphyxiation, with no evidence of underlying medical condition and no use of drugs.”
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Taxers are lethal to a small percentage of the population.
Only to the half that pay taxes.
If you asked me what an unofficial, par-baked policy change attempting to be passed off by a rogue activist employee looked like I'd say: https://name.memberclicks.net/assets/docs/Excited%20Delirium%20Statement%203%20-%202023.pdf
No letterhead? Check.
No official authority cited as motivating the policy? Check.
Self-referencing acronym(s) unexpanded? Check.
Vague uncited (and false*) references to other organizations? Check
Irrelevant/nonsensical invocation of foreign/international health organizations and medical billing codes as forensic science without context? Check.
* 2023 ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code F19.921 - Other psychoactive substance use, unspecified with intoxication with delirium,
2023 ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code G25.71 - Drug induced akathisia
Just fucking retarded.
If I had a dollar for every bullshit diagnosis listed in some diagnostic manual somewhere I could go on a vacation this year! Most of these fabricated, scientifically unsubstantiated diagnoses are “psychiatric” from the DSM series – which itself is abused whenever used by practitioners for their real-life patients, because it was never validated for any use other than to put scientific researchers on the same page so they could compare the results of their research. And, finally, it has never been supported scientifically that excited delirium – which is a symptom, not a diagnosis per se – can even cause death in the first place!
Well then you might want to have a word with NAME and CJ for telling their practitioners, who normally work with the deceased rather than patients, to hew closer to the (their conception of) existing medical literature.
It's the same BLM bullshit, MWAocdoc.
They don't care about actual police reform. They don't care if fewer people get electrocuted to death. They don't care if "excited delirium" just gets changed to "drug induced akathisia". They (and apparently you) don't care if the original study of excited delirium was around people who did die but not in police custody. They (and apparently you) don't care if a coroner is entirely free to choose to put something other than excited delirium down as, unless the ME was involved, all CODs are made up (and NAME is specifically saying "You can't make up this, specific answer no matter what.")
All they care about is keeping the race-baiting ACAB narrative going and to that end, they actually really care about the opposite of all of the above. 276 people in 17 yrs. isn't even one full year of homicides in just Chicago in the last 60-some yrs. The number isn't good, but it's not the largest, most popular, most believed, most anti-scientific, most self-referencing, most generally socially destructive narrative out there.
To paraphrase G. E. P. Box "All models [of COD] are made up. Some are useful." Coke and restraint or coke and getting tased is certainly no safer than coke, tased, or restraint separately. To say the ME, or even a doctor treating a living patient, can't identify that trend rather than forbidding a judge, jury, or DA from accepting that diagnosis or being compelled to handle it a certain way, is coercing people to deny reality, against their conscience or instinct, in favor of your narrative.
ketamine, a powerful sedative
Anaesthetic.
Same chemical, different dose. As used by the paramedics in the case above, it most definitely was not being used as an anesthetic.
Vapors, General; don't forget vapors.
The same AMA that say BMI is racist and APA that says there are 6.02x10^23 genders and they can change day by day or minute by minute. I'll pass.
The same magazine that tells you sonograms are junk science and that aborting a thousand (cine que non innocent) fetuses with a heartbeat isn't mass murder because the noises you hear on a sonogram are actually just electrical impulses is now trying to convince you that 276 people getting incidentally electrocuted to death by stun guns through varying interactions with the police is unacceptable.
They don't care about science, The Science, or Junk Science.
Saying "There are chromosomal combinations beyond XX and XY" isn't saying "There are Avagadro's number of genders".
I get it, you're being hyperbolic, but you're also being really lazy in your thinking.
The AMA affirms medical spectrum of gender.
Which is nonsense. There is no "medical spectrum of gender". Medically, you are either male or female.
A tiny number of people have both ovarian and testicular tissue, in which case they are "true hermaphrodites", and an even smaller number of people has complete absence of gonads; these are not considered separate sexes, but simply separate disease states.
I get it, you’re being hyperbolic, but you’re also being really lazy in your thinking.
No, you're being lazy in your thinking. He consciously chose to be hyperbolic and by your own statements, you know he chose to be hyperbolic. Rather than say something meaningful or remotely factual or thought provoking you just chose to regurgitate meaningless platitudes.
And this doesn't get into the fact that he chose an arbitrarily large number to represent the abjectly bullshit nature of the situation and your inability to choose any number in the set because you can't defend the bullshit.
MD from Idaho: You are being even lazier in your thinking.
Had these people survived they would have been charged with attempted murder for assaulting police officers' fists and feet with their faces.
"Had these people survived they would have been charged with attempted murder for assaulting police officers’ fists and feet with their faces."
Yeah. I am thinking that some of the OPs are missing one point -- that tasers are used by the police, all-too-often, under way-too-many circumstances, just for their own "convenience." Or just because the suspect pissed them off.
Tasers are supposed to be an alternative to deadly force.
Instead they're used for compliance, as in "Do what I say motherfucker or I'm gonna keep tasing you!" When the person dies they blame it on something else, and the "They deserved it" crowd comes out to back up the police.
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It would be great news for many commenters here that excited delirium is not a cause of sudden death.
Sudden? No. Some of the regulars here have been in that state for years.
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>>ketamine, a powerful sedative
the kids say it's dissociative.
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>> big impact on how deaths in police custody are reported.
any change in Q.I.?
This is a better comment:
ACMT position statement on "excited delirium"
The funny thing about this statement is that they fell for the DEI narrative and claim excited delirium is used "disproportionately" even though blacks disproportionately overdose and die from overdoses. They're perfect in proportion.
From 2013 to 2020, rates increased for all groups, from 30.2 to 63.8 per 100,000 population for White persons, from 12.0 to 50.7 for Black persons, and from 9.6 to 29.9 for Hispanic persons. From 2019 to 2020, all three racial and ethnic groups experienced the largest annual increase in drug overdose death rates (56% among Black, 41% among Hispanic, and 28% among White persons). In 2020, the drug overdose death rate for White persons was the highest among all groups, followed by Black and Hispanic persons.
QuickStats: Death Rates for Drug Overdose* Among Persons Aged 25–44 Years, by Race and Ethnicity†— United States, 2000–2020
Cops Use Phony Diagnoses To Explain Away Stun Gun Deaths
*snort* Wait'll you get a load of COVID death reporting.
Is excited delirium correlated with drapetomania?
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