The Post-Liberal Authoritarians Want You To Forget That Private Companies Have Rights
J.D. Vance and Co. are trying to give themselves permission to wield public power unconstitutionally.

On Wednesday night, Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) took the stage at Catholic University in Washington, D.C., and declared—to the astonishment of many who subsequently read the quote online—that "there is no meaningful distinction between the public and the private sector in the American regime."
The remark came during a panel discussion about Regime Change, a new book by the "post-liberal" Notre Dame political scientist Patrick Deneen, in which Deneen argues that classical liberals and left-progressives are all pushing the same agenda and need to be "replaced" by a new conservative elite. (Keep an eye out for a review in the August/September issue of Reason.)
A longer version of the Vance quote gives the context:
One of the really bad hangovers from that uniparty that Patrick talked about is this idea that there is this extremely strong division between the public sector and the private sector. You know, the public sector is the necessary evil of government. We want to limit it as much as possible, because to the extent that we don't limit it, it's going to do a lot of terrible things. And then you have the private sector, that which comes from spontaneous order. It's organic. It's very Burkean. And we want to let people do as much free exchange within that realm as possible. And the reality of politics as I've seen it practiced, the way that lobbyists interact with bureaucrats interact with corporations, there is no meaningful distinction between the public and the private sector in the American regime. It is all fused together, it is all melded together, and it is all, in my view, very much aligned against the people who I represent in the state of Ohio.
I will give you a couple of examples here. One, when I talk to sort of more traditionalist economic conservatives, what Patrick would call economic liberals, when I talk to these guys about, for example, why has corporate America gone so woke, I see in their eyes this desperate desire to think that it's all just coming from the [Securities and Exchange Commission]. That there are a couple of bad regulations at the SEC, and that in fact [BlackRock CEO] Larry Fink would love to not be a super woke driver of American enterprise, and that Budweiser has no desire to put out a series of advertisements that alienate half their customer base. They're just being forced to do it by evil bureaucrats. And there is an element of truth to that. The element of truth is that the regime is the public and private sector. It's the corporate CEOs, it's the H.R. professionals at Budweiser, and they are working together, not against one another, in a way that destroys the American common good. That is the fact that we are dealing with.
There are, of course, countless ways that the public sector—government—has its tentacles in private sector affairs. Through taxation and regulation; through the subsidies and targeted benefits that are a mainstay of the industrial policy that so many on the New Right want to double down on; and, yes, through insidious pressure campaigns like those uncovered through the Twitter and Facebook Files, state power is routinely brought to bear to nudge or compel private actors into doing what those holding the power want. Needless to say, we should be skeptical, if not hostile, toward all such efforts.
Interestingly, this does not appear to be what Vance is referring to. If anything, he's saying it's naive to focus on instances of state coercion. Instead, Vance seems upset that some business executives share the same "woke" values that government actors express. (They are, after all, highly educated fellow members of the professional managerial class!) And because they believe in radical environmentalism, trans-inclusive politics, and all the rest, according to Vance, these private sector leaders are all too happy to collaborate with lawmakers and federal bureaucrats to put those values into practice.
Vance here is channeling the neoreactionary blogger Curtis Yarvin, a.k.a. Mencius Moldbug, who has popularized the idea that "all the modern world's legitimate and prestigious intellectual institutions, even though they have no central organizational connection, behave in many ways as if they were a single organizational structure" with "one clear doctrine or perspective." He calls this decentralized entity "the Cathedral" and argues that the only way to combat it is by replacing America's liberal democratic regime with an absolute monarchy or (benevolent, one hopes) dictatorship.
But Vance goes further even than Yarvin, who defines the Cathedral as consisting of the mainstream media and the universities; Vance insists that government officials are also implicated. This step is critical, because the New Right, rejecting the classical liberal commitment to limited government and rule of law, openly calls on conservatives to wield state power against their domestic political "enemies," among whom it counts lefty corporations, universities, and nonprofits.
I've made this point almost ad nauseam by now, but if you need a refresher, look no further than this illustrative quote from Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts: "This is our moment," he recently told The American Conservative, "to demand that our politicians use the power they have. This is the moment for us to demand of companies, whether they're Google, or Facebook, or Disney, that you listen to us, rather than ram down our throats and into our own families all of the garbage that you've been pushing on us. This is our time to demand that you do what we say. And it's glorious."
For an even more concrete example, consider the time Vance went on live TV and proposed targeting left-wing institutions such as the Ford Foundation and Harvard for their political views. "Why don't we seize the assets," he asked, "tax their assets, and give it to the people who've had their lives destroyed by their radical open borders agenda?"
This is obviously contrary to the laws of our land. The American constitutional system "protects private actors," says Notre Dame law professor Richard W. Garnett, while constraining how government officials can exercise their power. "Private actors have free speech rights. The government doesn't. Private actors have freedom of religion. Government doesn't. Private schools can train kids for their sacraments. Government schools can't. The whole landscape of our constitutionally protected freedoms depends on this conceptual distinction between state power and the nonstate sphere."
But that distinction is an obstacle preventing post-liberals such as Vance from using the government to punish private entities who express views or implement policies that they, the post-liberals, dislike. And so, to give themselves permission to do what they want, they have to get people to believe that the distinction is already obsolete.
It's not. In fact, the "collusion" that Vance would use as justification to strip private actors of their rights consists of some of the very activities named in the First Amendment: voicing political opinions and advocating for changes to public policy. That some business executives happen to agree with some federal bureaucrats on some topics does nothing to transform private entities into public ones or to erase the distinction between the two spheres. (And that assumes Vance et al. are correct about the scope of the overlap, which they've thus far made little effort to demonstrate.)
None of this means you have to like the way companies use their rights. "If there are large private entities that are engaging in speech that some might find offensive," Garnett says, "you can boycott them, you can not patronize them, you can criticize them, you can set up your own businesses" to compete with them. But the New Right appears to be "impatient" with these remedies.
"It seems to me that it's perfectly appropriate to point out, as Deneen and Vance are doing, that a lot of corporate America seems to be going outside of its lane in very ideological ways," Garnett says. "But it doesn't follow from that that the government can silence them or punish them."
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“there is no meaningful distinction between the public and the private sector in the American regime.”,
he’s absolutely correct.
I don’t know about absolutely. But as an observation it’s not completely off. There has been quite a lot of blurring of the lines.
But yeah, it’s important to ask if he is making an observation or a declaration.
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Absolutely is a tricky word. When one says he’s “absolutely right”, that invites the predictable comments of “show me one place where the bowling alley on the corner is in the thrall of the FBI?” or “Show me one document that shows I closed down a single school or business”.
You know, it’s all just college buddies in the back seat telling you to turn left when you should really turn right. Whatever decisions you made were on you.
That guy in the passenger seat with the notebook jabbering on the microphone? Ignore him, whatever happens is 100% the driver’s fault.
Words have meanings, damnit!
And I spend a lot of time programming logic, so tend to Boolean interpretations of things.
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Chapter 3.
The supreme importance of names being correct.
1. Tsze-lû said, “The ruler of Wei has been waiting for you, in order with you to administer the government. What will you consider the first thing to be done?”
2. The Master replied, “What is necessary is to rectify names.”
3. “So! indeed!” said Tsze-lû. “You are wide of the mark! Why must there be such rectification?”
4. The Master said, “How uncultivated you are, Yû! A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve.
5. “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.
6. “When affairs cannot be carried on to success, proprieties and music will not flourish. When proprieties and music do not flourish, punishments will not be properly awarded. When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot.
7. “Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect.”
Bowling alley mandates masks in 2021.
If you read the comment in context, it is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS he was making an observation.
If the underlying idea to the claim is that the combination of authoritarian over-reach by government and corporate “capture” of politicians and regulartory agencies has blurred the line of demarcation to a point where it’s indefinable, then I could see the reasoning at work.
I’d hope that it’s not “absolutely true” in that we’re past a “point of no return” at which the commingling is already irreversible, and I’d suggest that an across-the-board reduction in the scope and scale of most levels of government (in turn changing the cost/benefit calculus for corporate purchase of influence or “access” via lobbying and other payments to reduce the extent of intertwining from both sides simultaneously) would be the hardest to accomplish but likely most thoroughly effective remedial action.
Didn’t Zuckerberg ask congress for this:
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1659396027500331008?t=5krdJPCnQG05rJlQCOF7oQ&s=19
New Senate bill proposes new federal agency to police digital media.
It would have the authority to fine users for “misinformation” and “hate speech.”
The Commission would have “a broad mandate to promote the public interest, with specific directives to protect consumers, promote competition, and assure the fairness and safety of algorithms on digital platforms, among other areas. To fulfill its mandate, the Commission would have the authority to promulgate rules, impose civil penalties, hold hearings, conduct investigations, and support research. It could also designate ‘systemically important digital platforms’ subject to additional oversight, regulation, and merger review.”
As @ReclaimtheNetHQ noted on Twitter, the bill would “empower a new federal agency to create a council that establishes ‘enforceable behavioral codes’ on social media platforms and AI. The council will include ‘disinformation’ experts.”
“The bill also has age verification requirements,” Reclaim the Net added.
“This is unconstitutional, also evil and stupid,” Constitutional attorney @pnjaban bluntly remarked.
The bill currently lacks specific safeguards to protect free speech and ensure that regulations implemented by the commission do not unduly infringe upon individuals’ constitutional rights. Instead, it relies upon government-appointed “experts” who would doubtless act to police state-approved narratives and policies. Without robust protections for free expression, there is a risk of chilling effects on online discourse, as well as stifling innovation and creativity.
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Yes, but it angers Progressives when you say that out loud.
when I talk to sort of more traditionalist economic conservatives, what Patrick would call economic liberals, when I talk to these guys about, for example, why has corporate America gone so woke, I see in their eyes this desperate desire to think that it’s all just coming from the [Securities and Exchange Commission]. That there are a couple of bad regulations at the SEC, and that in fact [BlackRock CEO] Larry Fink would love to not be a super woke driver of American enterprise, and that Budweiser has no desire to put out a series of advertisements that alienate half their customer base. They’re just being forced to do it by evil bureaucrats.
Wait who thinks that? Are there people claiming that wokeness in major corporations is a product of financial regulation? I don’t think I have ever encountered such a person.
Neither have I, but I admit I don’t know anyone who voted for Donald Trump.
I think we should all just forget that the Twitter Files happened and go back to mocking conservatives for even pointing them out.
Seems to me the woke question is largely distinct from the government censorship encouragement program. I don’t think of the censoring of covid information or stories about presidential candidates as being woke, just underhanded and illegal.
Oof
Are you disagreeing? I think of woke as specifically about the race/gender/social justice nonsense. The rest is regular old authoritarian propaganda and censorship, slightly veiled.
Propaganda and censorship are critical to woke.
Woke is, literally, interpreting all sensory information through a lens of psychotic fantasy rather than innate logic.
It’s an unnatural perspective that must be forced upon the human mind and reinforced with constant conditioning in the paradigm.
It is an incredibly unstable world view, because it relies on both internal and external contradictions, thus must be shielded from all information unconstrained by its rules.
It is a totalitarian ideology, and totalitarianism connects all within its domain.
A lot of the ESG stuff is in response to government actions, especially on banks. Regulators are asking about diversity during audits. Funding is tied to it.
Biden has EOs to fund contracts based on diversity. Auditors are encouraged to audit and ask diversity questions. California requires diversity in boards. Much of the woke is in response to government. It is not solely done organically.
HR firms were created due to government power and regulations. The labor regulators and DoJ Civil Rights division will target firms based on metrics. A lot of the NGOs are funded directly from taxpayers.
Fair. There is some influence there.
Then there’s the whole Civil Rights Act, which violates and supercedes the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th amendments. Probably 10th too. Basically nullifies the Bill of Rights, excepting only the 2nd amendment.
This seems like a stretch to me. I don’t know anyone making the argument that government is the cause and perpetrator of woke behavior. Actually, most understand that government is late to the party, knowing that government and policy is downstream of society.
It seems more a conflation to me. The left has currently won the culture war organically, and the right is now trying to fight back using the power of government rather than pursuing on organic strategy. As such, if feels like the conflation is based on the reaction of Repubs and the idea that Repubs are against big government, so they must think the government is the issue, when that’s not really the case.
“The left has currently won the culture war organically…”
Is this organic?
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/13/biden-howard-university-white-supremacy-terrorism-00096811
Thankfully, here’s a government guide to help us protect their Democracy (organically, of course).
https://www.scribd.com/document/643766515/DHS-Domestic-Terrorism-Scenarios
Most “organic” products are lies, so Biden’s speech fits.
Maybe I’m just not being clear on my meaning of organically.
Organically means the government didn’t force it. The left came to power through cultural infiltration and persuasion. From academia, entertainment, and media, the left has taken control by simply taking over such institutions rather than having the government force it.
No, I’ve heard these types of arguments from the libertarian side.
Much of the ideology behind current trends began in academia, and — for instance — a not too uncommon libertarian argument I’ve heard over the years is that universities respond to incentives from the government such as grants, etc. These incentives also occur on the corporate side. And things like that are what create an incestuous relationship between government and the private sector.
I think its important to look at the cultural side of things, too, and recognize a lot of the political trends that moved us towards the left over the last century also involved cultural shifts that came from the bottom up. The first was a reaction to the Victorian era status quo and puritanism around the early 20th century. The second was in the 60s and a reaction to some of the repressive culture and McCarthyism that existed around that time. Over time, this influenced institutions, until it was embedded in government policy.
On the other hand, I think you’re wrong in that the culture organically started shifting right again starting in the 80s and more so in the 90s. What started happening post-2000s IMO is that the entrenched establishment started fighting back. And much of what we’re dealing now is a fight between that neo-liberal establishment, and the conservative populism which emerged organically close to 50 years ago.
“The left has currently won the culture war organically”
Hahahahahhahaahahhaha
The Long March Through the Institutions would like a word.
That’s what he means by “organically”. The left won by showing up, essentially: They deliberately targeted key institutions like schools and the media, while the right was busy just making money and building stuff, and neglecting holding onto the institutions that transmitted our culture.
And pretty soon where were you going to hire management for your firm who hadn’t been through a left wing indoctrination in school?
And since the left wingers you hired would be concentrating on making sure nobody but left-wingers got hired, while the right-wingers would just be looking for competence, there wasn’t really any pushback as they took over one institution after another.
There was plenty of conservative movement in academia, media, entertainment in the 80s and 90s. Whether you’re talking about popular academics like Friedman, Bloom, Sowell; or talk radio and then Fox News; some conservative oriented programming on TV even; and also attempts to push influence school boards and university boards. When I was in UC Berkeley c. 2000 the school board even tried to shut down the ethnic studies dept, and left-wing students protested with sit-ins. I had many professors who were relatively conservative. (My political science professor escaped Communism in Hungary and my history professor downplayed the role of the Church in the Inquisition for instance). In fact I think it looked like a sea change was happening and the left was frightened that they were going to lose their institutional power, and that’s when you began to see a major pushback.
How is it even possible to downplay the role of the Church in the Inquisition? Sure, there were influencers outside the church, but it was the church that was actually doing the Inquisition.
Wrong as wrong can be , hater.
Were you out with your KKK buddies when the BBC documentary was aired. It’s available online
Contrary to popular belief, torture was rarely used. It was used less by the Inquisition than it was in the tribunals of other countries throughout Europe at the time.
Stories about cruel torture methods used by the Inquisitors and the terrible conditions in which prisoners were kept were completely falsified. The Inquisition actually had the best jails in Spain.
Prisoners of secular courts would actually blaspheme so that they could be transferred to Inquisition prisons and escape the maltreatment of the secular prisons.
The Inquisition was virtually powerless in rural areas.
In the entire sixteenth century, the Inquisition in Spain executed only about 50 people, which is contrary to the “Black Legend,” which numbers the executions in the hundreds of thousands.
Of all the Inquisitions together throughout Europe, scholars estimate that the number of people executed ranged somewhere between 3,000 and 5,000. That averages, at most, about fourteen people per year throughout the entire continent over a period of 350 years.
Basically what happened in academia was that the left had a moderate numerical advantage, but were largely content with it, viewing their conservative colleagues as harmless eccentrics. Eccentrics who often got a lot of publicity, but still harmless.
Then the GOP actually won the ’94 election, big time, and started (Fitfully!) trying to implement conservative ideas. And the left stopped thinking of their conservative colleagues as harmless, and instead thought, “Holy shit, these guys might actually end up in power!” They now thought of their conservative colleagues as dangerous extremists.
And they started a purge. Mostly by attrition, they just flat out stopped hiring anybody who looked like they might be a conservative, or giving tenure to conservatives who were already hired, while waiting for the existing ones to age out. So it took a couple decades to really take effect, but by now it’s largely complete at the most prominent institutions.
When I say this was “organic”, I just mean that it wasn’t externally imposed.
What you describe is accurate, but the term “organic” doesn’t describe it.
Organic implies natural, almost spontaneous, development.
As you note, the left targeted institutions for takeover, groomed successive generations, and cemented their hold by hiring according to ideological basis unrelated to the ostensible job rather than competence at performing the duties of each particular job.
That’s highly artificial development.
That being the case, it is logical/predictable/sensible that the left won the culture war- but it wasn’t organic or natural.
“This seems like a stretch to me. I don’t know anyone making the argument that government is the cause and perpetrator of woke behavior”
Think carefully on that for a second.
Think back 4 years ago when Social Media started getting rolling on its Anti-Conservative banning sprees. Remember when conservatives were suddenly getting booted from Patreon and Paypal?
Back then, we attributed it to liberals at the companies. I was sure that Twitter banning the NYP Biden laptop story was just an out of control proggy group at Twitter.
But now we see what was happening. These companies weren’t adopting these leftist totalitarian tactics independently. They were being constantly pushed by the government. We know that now.
Knowing that, isn’t there at least a good possibility that government is behind the sudden, bizarre shift of every corporation to woke politics?
No, I don’t. Twitter still controlled everything and made the final decisions. The problem was that Twitter personnel were ideologically in tune with the government officials. Again, both the result of organic change. When people with the same ideologies inhabit government and private institutions, it’s still organic. It’s that left leaning people have taken over. There were no government dictates, rules, policies, or laws enacted to force it.
However, I will say there is more pressure brought by government personnel on the private entities now. But government knows those entities are receptive to the pressure and agree with it, and it’s also the result of what happens when the organic takeover wins.
“o, I don’t. Twitter still controlled everything and made the final decisions.”
Just like the shop owner chose to pay money to the nice guy who was worried about something bad happening to him if he did not pay him?
We’ve given how many BILLIONS to banks since 2008? You think that money came with no strings attached? Republicans did not seem to have a problem with them doing their nonsense until it actually started hurting them seriously…but it was too late then. Banks will do whatever the government tells them to keep the possibility of being bailed out of MORE bad decisions on the table (personalize profits and publicize losses).
“The problem was that Twitter personnel were ideologically in tune with the government officials. Again, both the result of organic change.”
Demanding the hiring of people of specific groups already belies that belief. And state and federal governments have, in fact, done that. That impact cannot be ignored.
You’re basically proving my point. You can’t show specific governmental action demanding certain behavior and beliefs. That’s because support for those behaviors and beliefs has been mostly organic. Even your last paragraph is explaining organic transition. People capturing institutions and hiring like minded individuals is organic and not the result of government forced dictate.
They were, at one time, organic. Then the government captured them and they turned hard left (Walt Disney himself would have distanced itself far from the woke BS they do now. Roy Disney even moreso).
And hiring is NOT organic, given the government mandates on who one can and cannot hire.
The left has currently won the culture war
The left lost the culture war.
They lost it a long time ago.
That’s why their ideas are imposed by force. Economic threat, government pressure–even physical threat.
You WIN when people naturally gravitate to your ideas and stances.
The left uses force to keep people from gravitating towards the thinks they like and believe in.
And what is the left trying to stop people from gravitating towards?
THAT’S who won the culture war.
Ron Desantis: Pushing the big-government Nanny State from the right. I don’t see any difference in his use of force from the left-leaning use of force.
Then you admit to your inability to give any verdict on the way things are. Because the left does not see itself as right and the right does not see itself as left. So you just don’t ‘see’
John Locke claims that if anyone accepts the benefits of a government, he has tacitly consented to the burdens that government imposes on him. … Don’t like it, LEAVE
You seem to live in a bit of a delusional landscape if you think the left lost the culture war.
i dont think for a second that fink gives 2 shits about esg other than it provides an opportunity to charge higher management fees for his financial products
Yep, none of the DEI garbage is an outgrowth of the EEOC and affirmative action requirements. The political struggle sessions totally aren’t the direct result of “sensitivity training” being fully weaponized.
It’s really interesting the angry pushback I am getting for stating the obvious.
If you think Hollywood, academia, and the news media are the way they are politically because of affirmative action or the EEOC, then I don’t know what to tell you.
The sectors you picked have been socialist, secularist for at least 100 years…and not very diverse. EEOC the way it is enforced didn’t hurt say Hollywood, media, academia’s elites but discriminated against certain American ethnicities like Italian Americans who were coming “of age” in terms of going up the corporate ladder. I recall working for the “diversity” company as they called themselves in the 90s. Got promoted 4 times in 3 years, and then was told I could not be promoted again for years because I was “white.” When I asked the HR rep how that was fair given my grandparents and parents as Italian Americans were discriminated against ..they had no reply. I left soon after.
The sectors I picked are what has driven the popular culture in this country. And as you explain, though probably inadvertently, is that they organically became the way they are and not as the result of government force.
J.D. thinks he’s still one of us.
he is the republican version of elizabeth warren … she claims to be a cherokee … he claims to be a hillbilly
If JD is republican, he’s as establishment/Rockefeller as it gets.
They should just post the Yellowstone Costner meme above his every article.
how many people in fly over country work in venture capital
That is actually an argument agasint you.
Louisiana to remove $794 MILLION from BlackRock funds over ESG drive
“there is no meaningful distinction between the public and the private sector in the American regime.”
In the context of Reason’s shambling admission of the above when we were treated to *checks previous comment threads* new information being revealed causing opinions to evolve, how is he wrong?
Which version of fascism is worse for the economy, culture, citizens, and the world at large? Is the progressive fascism as currently implemented and expanding worse than the vague one Vance suggests which is focused on family, personal responsibility, and most freedoms?
Fuck off, Slade. Vance is correct in identifying the problem. He is wrong in wanting to use force to fix our political and cultural problems.
I don’t even feel the need to read through his quote to pick out misrepresentations by Slade. Progressives have taken over insitutions and merged their priorities with state power. Removing them from power is a good thing. I would say filling that vaccuum with conservative ideals is a net good while certainly not being the preferred outcome.
Criticism is fine, but I don’t think she actually takes issue with the current state of affairs. I’d rather see discussion of how to fill the power void after removing progressives than attacking any opposition to the power structure
“He is wrong in wanting to use force to fix our political and cultural problems.”
What the fuck else you gonna use, brush?
Physics is a thing.
Everything comes down to it.
*bruh
Apologies, I did not mean to call you a brush
I meant more that he is wrong if he’s advocating swinging the power of government in an authoritarian manner to resolve the problem. Violating rights is not the answer to violations of rights. I’ll admit it’s kinda a bullshit sentiment to express. Not meeting and exceeding the force of an aggressor is the same as abandoning the battlefield.
I’m eager to hear what tactics are available to win the cultural and political wars without stomping on freedom. This is where Reason and the Libertarian party should be forging a path. Unfortunately, Reason is already conquered territory and they advocate for the aggressors.
How is the power of government not being wielded in an authoritarian manner now?
“I’m eager to hear what tactics are available to win the cultural and political wars without stomping on freedom.”
If you think it’s a war that has to be “won”, stomping on freedom is inevitable.
The only way to avoid stomping on freedom is to accept that freedom will result in people (possibly even a majority of people) disagreeing with you. If you allow people to make decisions for themselves and direct their own actions, your worldview may become obsolete.
The biggest problem I see with the arguments of cultural conservatives is that it always starts from the premise that people who oppose their beliefs don’t actually believe what they say they believe. They’ve been duped or lied to. They have been “indoctrinated”. Educational institutions have been “captured”. Liberal social beliefs aren’t genuinely held, they are the result of a vast conspiracy against conservatives.
Liberals are apparently so dedicated to their radical cultural beliefs that they are laser focused on spreading them and thwarting the noble and goodhearted cultural conservatives who valiantly struggle against the forces of evil.
What cultural conservatives don’t ever allow themselves to admit is the Occam’s Razor explanation: people who can think for themselves and aren’t idiots have found cultural conservative arguments unconvincing.
Cultural conservatives justify their lurch into authoritarianism by telling themselves that their waning support on cultural issues isn’t because of the weakness of their positions. Instead, it’s that high-functioning adults who can run multinational corporations (Disney), or found and manage the world’s largest holding company (Berkshire Hathaway), or found and run the largest asset management firm in the world (Blackrock), or turn a small online bookstore into the largest retailer in the world (Amazon), or build the first operating system company from his own code into the first tech giant (Microsoft) are incapable of coming to valid conclusions about cultural beliefs, their applicability to corporate governance, and the benefits of implementing them in their companies.
Apparently these highly intelligent, highly successful, and deeply analytical people aren’t doing what they do because they have examined and considered the issues and concluded that they are the right things to do for their country, their company, and their employees. They haven’t made personal moral decisions based on what their knowledge and experience tells them. Their moral beliefs are all because of … woke indoctrination?
Tell yourselves whatever is necessary to protect your myopic worldview and fragile ego. Call anything you don’t like “woke” (what a meaningless term) and tell yourselves that what you believe is moral is the REAL morality and therefore it’s OK to use the government to force it on everyone else. Tell yourself that two wrongs make a right and they did it first and la-la-la-la-you’re-not-listening.
In general, people believe what they believe because they have thought about it and made decisions for themselves. People aren’t robots, programmed to believe whatever they are told when they are kids. If that were the case, religion wouldn’t be nosediving like a 737 Max.
Stop assuming people who disagree with you haven’t put in the same time and effort as you did to understanding their world and creating a moral code to guide their actions in it.
They aren’t wrong or fooled or lied to or deluded or misinformed or manipulated. They certainly aren’t part of some nefarious plot to undermine cultural conservatives.
They are just like you, they just disagree with you. Deal with it like a grown-up.
“This is where Reason and the Libertarian party should be forging a path.”
They are. You just don’t want to listen.
It’s kind of funny to see you spend 1,500 words making this point when you spend 16 hours a day on your primary Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2 handle ranting and raving, foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog about how Christians are mindless knuckle-draggers oppressing fags and trannies for no other reason than they’re ignorant and backwards and simply haven’t been enlightened to modern mores. It’s weird how the psychopathic totalitarian murderers you agree with are all purely rational thinkers of impeccable intellect while their victims are mindless rabble brainwashed by fundies, isn’t it shreek?
By the way, you know how you’re always surprised when everyone who’s been here for more than 30 minutes can detect your socks immediately? Your obsessive fellating of Buffett whenever you try to discuss anything even tangentially related to economic issues is one of your tells. Hope that helps when you create your next sockpuppet next week. Maybe try EdH this time, EdG. While you’re at it, you might want to do a little research on CP/M, the OS whose code Microsoft shamelessly pilfered for it’s abysmal clone MS-DOS which only became a monopoly standard due to anti-competitive exclusivity agreements. A practice that would later come back to bite Microsoft in the ass when they forgot to grease the palms. Bill Gates hasn’t written a piece of computer code since the mid 1970s. People like that only seem as gods to you because you are unintelligent and a shallow thinker.
In general, people believe what they believe because they have thought about it and made decisions for themselves. People aren’t robots, programmed to believe whatever they are told when they are kids. If that were the case, religion wouldn’t be nosediving like a 737 Max.
This is generally false, and it’s false because these movements hold views that are self-contradictory. This applies to both ‘sides of the aisle’ as well, yet somehow you manage to assume this is only true of conservatives which tells us more about you than perhaps you cared to share.
People are emotive animals, and as such they don’t generally arrive at their ‘world view’ through logic or reason. Libertarian thought is better on that front generally, but even the adherents to libertarian thought have their blind spots as they are indeed humans.
As a simple example of this, you’ll see people marching for abortion with signs that say ‘my body, my choice’ but when you ask them their views on something like heroin use suddenly it’s all about state power inflicting their morality on the public at large.
Yes, people do arrive at something resembling a world view but to claim it has any kind of logical framework or internal logic is a bridge too far for the overwhelming majority of humans. Ironically you cite the decline in religion as some kind of example, yet fail to notice the new godless religions on the left having just as much evidence for their claims as the far right does for the existence of god.
TL;DR – Turns out, humans aren’t rational animals writ large.
So, the right-wing Nanny State should make the decisions for the public because the public isn’t rational? I don’t buy that.
“This is generally false, and it’s false because these movements hold views that are self-contradictory.”
I wasn’t talking about movements. I was talking about people and the fallacy that we are all just slavishly obligated to hold the cultural beliefs we were presented with when we were young.
People not only have their own beliefs, those beliefs can (and usually do) change over time as new information is discovered.
I used religion as an example because it is the earliest cultural influence a child is subjected to. If we were only the result of our childhood influences, religion belief would never have started decreasing in our culture.
“yet somehow you manage to assume this is only true of conservatives which tells us more about you than perhaps you cared to share.”
That’s not what I said. Cultural conservatism attempts to hold on to the cultural beliefs of the past and resists new ideas, especially if they challenge core principles.
So religion, the nuclear family, heterosexual hegemony, a binary definiton of morality, and unitary cultural values are all things that cultural conservatives believe, but are increasingly challenged.
The idea that people should be free to believe what they wish and make individual choices based on those beliefs is an existential threat to cultural conservatism. Allowing the proliferation of beliefs that aren’t binary (conservative/good vs. liberal/bad) weakens cultural conservatism because of its dependence on orthodoxy.
Heterodox beliefs are increasingly popular. When I was growing up, heterodox religious beliefs were called “being a cafeteria Catholic (or Christian)”. The term was not complimentary. A pro-choice Catholic, in the cultural conservative view, isn’t a Catholic regardless of what else they believe, where they worship (and tithe), or their beliefs concerning saints, direct appeals to God, or the Pope.
“People are emotive animals, and as such they don’t generally arrive at their ‘world view’ through logic or reason.”
I disagree. It isn’t binary. People aren’t balls of emotion barely held together with a thin membrane of logic and reason. People are, largely, rational. They may be emotionally connected to the worldview they create for themselves, but that doesn’t mean said worldview was constructed without thought.
Claiming people are just slaves to raging emotions and the things they were taught as a child isn’t supported by evidence.
“to claim it has any kind of logical framework or internal logic is a bridge too far for the overwhelming majority of humans”
Why? Because the cultural conclusions other people come to don’t make sense to you? Acceptance of someone else’s logic is irrelevant to determining if it is, in fact, logic. Assessing the conclusion and using that to determine how logical the thought process is would be the definition of illogical thinking.
Given a set of predicates, there is never a single logical conclusion. The moment a factor is subjected to weighting (of two true things, A is more significant than B) or to a foundational belief, there are multiple possible conclusions, each internally consistent and logical.
Religion is the perfect example. Given two true facts (Saturday is the Sabbath and Sunday is the Sabbath), Jews would give A all the weight and B none, while Christians would say the opposite. Both agree there is a Sabbath, but completely disagree on which day it is. Both are logical conclusions. As is an atheist’s conclusion that there is no Sabbath, since their foundational belief that there isn’t a God precludes a holy day. Logic and truth aren’t the same thing.
“the new godless religions on the left”
Hyperbole and loose rhetorical redefinitions (like scientific conclusions as “religion”) are the opposite of logical. Is that why you think everyone is illogical and emotional? Projection?
“TL;DR”
I don’t believe in this. A long post making, supporting, and refuting points should always be read. You took the time to tell me what you believe and why. Ignoring it because it doesn’t agree with my beliefs is wasting an opportunity to have my mind changed. That’s how we refine our worldviews, by engaging with people who honestly disagree with us, but take the time to explain why.
Yes, some posters just spew ad hominem attacks. You didn’t, so I took the time to tell you why I disagreed with you.
This is almost all false.
To wit : People are emotive animals, and as such they don’t generally arrive at their ‘world view’ through logic or reason. Libertarian thought is better
Are we to believe that you are admitting that you and they are not really making an argument because logic and reason mean nothing.
Did you re-read what you wrote ????
and why must a worldview be re-analyzed if someone already did that. The idea of Natural Religion suggests itself. What can be known by reason but is usually found through Revelation.
Think of the child’s Waldo game. Once someone shows you the Waldo you can’t NOT see it. That is what you miss. You want everyone to be Aquinas or Aristotle and you think God must be like you.
“Cultural conservatives justify their lurch into authoritarianism by telling themselves that their waning support on cultural issues isn’t because of the weakness of their positions. Instead, it’s that high-functioning adults who can run multinational corporations (Disney)”
Not that the government has bastardized the concept of copyright protections on behalf of Disney? Or that the press ignored that Disney has been committing massive securities fraud for years, since the Reedy District thing was supposed to be independent residents and not Disney employees — but it was ALL Disney employees?
“or found and manage the world’s largest holding company (Berkshire Hathaway)”
Having the government protect you (the whole opposition to pipelines, forcing more transit on less safe trains that B-H have big stakes in) certainly helps.
“found and run the largest asset management firm in the world (Blackrock)”
The gov’t and Fed Reserve providing near limitless capital might have some benefit to them here.
“turn a small online bookstore into the largest retailer in the world (Amazon)”
Extremely low interest rates for years making venture capital a more appealing thing also benefits them here.
“Not that the government has bastardized the concept of copyright protections on behalf of Disney?”
What does this have to do with the subject at hand? I agree that the manipulation of copyright and patent protections is awful and should be stopped, but that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
“Or that the press ignored that Disney has been committing massive securities fraud for years”
Obviously you have no idea what securities fraud is if you think RCID could ever be considered securities fraud.
“since the Reedy District thing was supposed to be independent residents and not Disney employees — but it was ALL Disney employees?”
None of that was in the law that created the RCID. Literally nothing in the act that created RCID has ever been violated by Disney.
In development there is always a difference between what is planned and what actually gets built. That is normal in development and isn’t illegal anywhere in the US. Why would you possibly think something illegal happened?
Even the deal the board and Disney closed last month was legal, which is why DeSantis had to have his toadies pass a law that specifically targeted that specific deal and retroactively nullified it.
But saying he is using governmental force to retaliate against Disney for speaking out against Don’t Say Gay is a lie? Sure. Sure it is.
“Having the government protect you (the whole opposition to pipelines, forcing more transit on less safe trains that B-H have big stakes in) certainly helps.”
What conspiracy-theory nonsense are you spewing now? Berkshire Hathaway is a $750 billion dollar holding company. The amount of money your insane conspiracy would produce isn’t even a rounding error for them.
“The gov’t and Fed Reserve providing near limitless capital might have some benefit to them here.”
What are you talking about? BlackRock got no special funding from the government or the Fed to become the world leader they are today. They operated in the exact same lending environment as everyone else. They just did a better job of it than their competition. For years and years.
“Extremely low interest rates for years making venture capital a more appealing thing also benefits them here.”
Again, that was the business environment. It’s not like everyone else didn’t want to be the largest retailer in the world. They did, but failed. Bezos succeeded.
Are you really saying that successful companies are only the result of the lending environment they operate in? Even if that lending environment changed throughout the life of the companies?
Your theory is that any company could have been Amazon or Berkshire Hathaway or Blackrock if they wanted to? That nothing their founders did made them more successful than their competitors?
That is probably the dumbest thing you’ve ever posted. And your average post is soaked in ignorance and stupidity.
All that, however, is unrelated to the point I made. Which was that cultural conservatives refuse to acknowledge that their ideas aren’t compelling or convincing to most people.
Instead they claim that it is a conspiracy between liberals and companies or it’s indoctrination in schools or that there’s some other nefarious reason.
Never the most likely and least convoluted reason: the majority of people aren’t convinced by cultural conservative beliefs, ideas, and values.
When people tell you what they believe, why do you assume they’re lying?
So then you think the following must have been wrong????
Louisiana to remove $794 million from BlackRock funds over ESG drive
The Marxist democrats will never stop peacefully. Barring force, how do you expect to stop them?
You vote your way in but you gotta shoot your way out
“But that distinction is an obstacle preventing post-liberals such as Vance from using the government”
A relevant question in response to this assertion, it seems to me, would be, “Why is that distinction an obstacle for post-liberals but not an obstacle for progressivists?” Why are government officials allowed to browbeat and regulate corporations in favor of a socialist agenda? Libertarians are, of course, against this when authoritarians from either side implement it, yet the progressivists seem to get away with it much more than the reactionaries have.
Progressives have better PR.
Like Reason being a frequent water carrier, and loyal detractor of republicans. This article being an example.
The same reason no gives a shite about the Durham report. The progs control the pipeline (education) and ideology reinforcement institutions (conglomerate news and entertainment industries, powered by pro proggy big tech).
This will get worse. Consider McCarthy-ites were backward looking and old and on the way out, versus woke-atarians who are forward looking, young, and on the way up and in. Look at illiberal progressive conditioning of K-12 and university students to inculcate a proggy mind set in our future CEOs and politicians. Welcome to Amerika.
Sounds like we better wipe out the democrats now.
I doubt it. Almost all young people enter adulthood as idealists and only after they gain experience and perspective and some possessions to protect (if they do) can they start to question how likely it is that idealism is all it takes to achieve the goals of a better world. Socialism is a mystical, idealistic religion that attracts young people with or without “education” and mainstream media control. Reactionaries are, almost by definition, REACTING to the failures and outrages of socialist progressivism but the only limitations on THEIR excesses are self-imposed as far as I can tell.
College education is the best predictor of left-wing politics and Democratic party affiliation in poll after poll. This isn’t 1928. Blue collar union workers aren’t the progressive base anymore. Also whoever feeds you these idiotic talking points has been saying the same shit for 25 years now. The 90s are over, boomer. The Millennials are middle fucking aged. Gen X is getting ready to start collecting social security. They never grew out of progressive politics, and they never will.
Well, to be fair … I didn’t say they automatically grew out of it. Obviously they didn’t! What I said was that sometimes experience and perspective allow them to grow out of it.
Fun fact: the progressive base was never the blue collar worker, union or otherwise.
Progressivism has always been a movement of the elite against the lower classes. They duped a significant number of idealistic college grads into their movement because those people are young enough to think that socialism might work this time. A progressive may or may not care much for socialism, but they recognize a useful sledgehammer against the status quo when they see one.
Consider the new movement toward resegregation, thinning of the undesirable population through abortion, and the expansion of racial quotas and ask yourself how ‘forward thinking’ these people really are. It’s all the same old shit, just with a new coat of paint.
Bolshies have set the table in the media/academia but now corporate HR departments…that and the growth of sectors (Wall Street/Big Tech) where they place their NYC Ivy league buddies and relatives has created the Marxist wave allowing open smearing of “certain folks”. It really is a pathology that goes back to the issues of Europe between various religious and ethnic groups.
I think we’re past any hope that “they’ll grow out of it”.
They’re afraid of “it”.
Like everyone else they will die. And that is a cause for hope.
The right-wing authoritarians like to pretend that they are pro-business. That’s unless the business has some lefties in the C-suite. Then they are selectively anti-business.
Seems like they forgot Citizens United instituted Corporate Personhood.
Um, no, Citizens United did not. Corporate personhood existed as a concept and in law well before that. You need to go back to Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific in 1886 whereby the 14A equal protection clause guarantees constitutional protections to corporations in addition to natural persons. We can go even further back to 1819 with Dartmouth College v. Woodward. Here, the SCOTUS stated, “The opinion of the Court, after mature deliberation, is that this corporate charter is a contract, the obligation of which cannot be impaired without violating the Constitution of the United States. This opinion appears to us to be equally supported by reason, and by the former decisions of this Court.” and recognized corporate personhood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College_v._Woodward
And all “person” means in this context is that corporations can be a party to a lawsuit, and because they’re party to a lawsuit, they’re given the much of the same rights and protections that “persons” –whenever “persons” are mentioned in law — are stated to have, out of the interests of due process.
What the limit of those rights are is a debatable subject. For instance, I think Citizens United was overbroad. I’d argue that the free speech rights of corporations come from the fact that they’re representing shareholders — and unions from the fact that they’re representing union members — and passing a law limiting monetary involvement in political campaigns could be designed to protect shareholders or union members from having their contributions misused.
However, the simple fact that corporations have legal rights should be uncontroversial. I think many on the left simply want to steamroll over those rights and treat corporations as playthings of the government.
The only difference between personhood for a corporation and personhood for individuals is that the stockholders of a corporation cannot be held individually liable for more than the amount of their investment in the corporation. That was the entire purpose of the original laws in the US chartering corporations – to encourage the formation of productive businesses to advance the United States in international trade. That protection long ago lost its justification, but since no regulation ever disappears, we still have limited liability corporations under Federal law in the U.S.
Stop trying to use terms you don’t understand you stupid fucking cunt. Not only are corporations and other limited liability business entities chartered by the states, not the feds,, but there is no such term as “limited liability corporation.” You may be conflating two different forms of limited liability business entity: the corporation (of which there are several commercial and non-commercial, for-profit and not-for-profit sub-types, all of which offer limited liability, with the difference being in their tax treatment) and the limited liability company. The limited liability company was an entity created in the 1980s and eventually adopted by all 50 states to make limited liability protection easier to obtain for smaller businesses that would otherwise struggle to comply with the reporting requirements of a traditional S or C corporation.
Yeah man. And when those “lefties in the C-suite” are on the phone daily to the FBI, and hire FBI operatives, and the FBI literally maintains an office next door to the CEO, then the corporation hires Hamilton68 to help “guide its moderation policies” conservatives and should sit down, shut up and cheer on “the market” like right-side-of-history libertarians are.
Why do you hate democracy?
Speaking only for myself: I do not hate democracy. I only detest “Our Democracy (TM)” – you know, the democracy that is existentially threatened by anything the Democratic National Committee frowns upon.
Ah..when the Federal govt is run by cultural marxists, most CEO’s are not going to push back against the crazy CRT pushers…look at Big Tech..they did what corn pop’s commies told them to do..
Right wingers need to support free enterprise far more than they support large businesses, who utterly despise the concept of free enterprise.
It was the left that subsidized Amazon and even Robert Reich says so. Is there anyone more left than he.
https://twitter.com/thuleanrevenant/status/1659290327344115743?t=0YGwBw9JqlLiM-sIbJACzA&s=19
People from New York will tell you this happens all the time, everyday, and people just let them take the bike. They’re trying to demonize this woman for the same reason they do Daniel Penny: she said no
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4 days ago:
“@tariqnasheed
A suspected white supremacist woman tried to steal a Citi Bike from a Black kid after he paid for it, and when him and his friends wouldn’t allow her to steal it, she went thru all the Karen tactics to try to get the Black youths hemmed up:
*Screaming for help
*Fake crying
*Mayo Babbling
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[40 minutes ago:]
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1659329013951913984?t=SqBnmR2Pt7Vjbwyvtp-7Fw&s=19
The fact that she started fake crying for help as if she was in physical danger and she started fake crying, this gives the basis to suspect her of being a white supremacist. And I still stand by that suspicion
It is VITAL (yes, vital) that she and her legal team sue Ben Crump and every single journalist who amplified the lie.
“Private actors have freedom of religion. Government doesn’t. Private schools can train kids for their sacraments. Government schools can’t.”
So why are government institutions, schools in particular, pushing religious ideas like climate change and walking students through the catechism of announcing their gender and pronouns?
https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1659290584098435096?t=KqlVXYN632VdsiANfa9x_A&s=19
Biden’s State Dept is forcibly imposing pronouns for emails now, with some showing totally incorrectly. This is clown world stuff:
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Enough is enough.
My gawd you are nuts. Just because you drop religious terminology into a sentence doesn’t make it reality. Thanks for making it so easy for me to know who to place on Mute.
“For an even more concrete example, consider the time Vance went on live TV and proposed targeting left-wing institutions such as the Ford Foundation and Harvard for their political views.”
If you watch the linked clip, you’ll see Vance is talking about how openly partisan, wealthy institutions have special tax exempt status as non-profits that the middle class doesn’t have, and pointing out the irony of that since these non-profits pretend to be champions of Social Justice.
Its hard to say Vance is doing anything but making a rhetorical point meant to provoke. And even if he isn’t, he’s just talking about getting rid of a tax exempt status.
How would a libertarian describe an overly rash reaction to something provocative someone said on TV, with a suggestion its an indication of something more dire and nefarious going on in society? A “moral panic”, right?
“If you watch the linked clip, you’ll see Vance is talking about how openly partisan, wealthy institutions have special tax exempt status as non-profits that the middle class doesn’t have, and pointing out the irony of that since these non-profits pretend to be champions of Social Justice.”
Tell that to the Mormons with their billions in tithes going to bail out their for-profit enterprises.
With all going on in Congress with the Durham report and the weaponization of the DOJ and FBI hearings showing the Democratic malfeance and all Reason can report on is JD Vance making a very true statement they don’t like.
“there is no meaningful distinction between the public and the private sector in the American regime.”
What a bunch of Democratic sycophant losers.
JD Vance’s target audience, to wit, his potential voters, won’t care about the nuance. It’s “people we don’t like are doing bad things and we have to stop them however we can”. His sincerity or otherwise is irrelevant, as is his ability to carry out what he says he wants.
As far as corporate personhood is concerned, the major issue for me is that in some areas corporate persons have greater privileges than natural persons. They can’t be imprisoned when they commit crimes, and they can deduct their “living expenses” in a way that natural persons cannot. On the other hand, they can’t vote nor serve on a jury.
“to wit, his potential voters, won’t care about the nuance. It’s “people we don’t like are doing bad things and we have to stop them however we can”.
“Herp-derp, if you’re not a urban cosmopolitan progressive then u r dum and can’t into nuance!”
Yes, blue staters are definitely masters of our universe, with their little magazines and affected mid-Atlantic accents that make them sound like Frasier Crane’s gay uncle, perpetually explaining the subtle parallels between Biden and Seneca.
Shrike doesn’t understand nuance at all. It is all “does it helps the left or did soros say something about it”, that is all. Look at his comments in the roundup thread.
Still not shrike, you lying cracker cunt. I am not of the left, but nor am I of the right, unlike you, a Trumpist shill playing at being a libertarian while managing to defend every right-wing politician out there. I note that in this thread you criticise Biden, and defend JD Vance on the grounds that he’s talking about the way things are – ignoring the steps he’d take to change that, for he is also quoted above as saying: “”Why don’t we seize the assets…tax their assets, and give it to the people who’ve had their lives destroyed by their radical open borders agenda?” That’s hardly just the way things are, now is it?
And that reminds me, fuck off, you lying cracker.
Does it make you feel better to use the word “cracker” because you’d get your hicklib teeth kicked in for saying “nigger” down in Dogdick, guv’na shreek?
Fuck off, sockwit.
Stuff it up your ass, obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit.
Strangely, upon even a cursory examination, urban cosmopolitan progressives are largely uneducated, idiots, that are lazy thinkers.
My summation of JD Vance had no particular political bias to it – it’s a political strategy that may work well on either side.
So, as the obnoxiously arrogant POS, you hope that your focus on technique will misdirect others from focusing on the actual opposition to the tendency?
Not worth asking but do you really assume you claimed ‘intelligence’ is sufficient to support such blatant bullshit?
Eat shit and die, asshole.
See his Nelson screed above. Shreek is nothing if not consistently retarded.
That’s because a business entity can’t commit a crime, shreek. It takes an actual human being with agency to do that. Now this is the part where you make yourself look even more fucking retarded than usual by suggesting that corporate officers are immune from criminal prosecution or civil liability for criminal conduct committed during the course of their job duties, because you’re a stupid fucking piece of shit hillbilly who couldn’t graduate from Dogdick Community College after 8 years of trying and actually think that “limited liability” means that corporate officers get immunity from prosecution instead of what it actually means: that shareholders are limited in their liability for a corporation’s debt to the extent of their investment.
This is the moment for us to demand of companies, whether they’re Google, or Facebook, or Disney, that you listen to us, rather than ram down our throats and into our own families all of the garbage that you’ve been pushing on us. This is our time to demand that you do what we say. And it’s glorious.
You know what he didn’t say? Force. He said demand, not force. Slade seems to miss that there is a distinction. Demands can be made without force. Force without demands? That is what happens in Room 101. And one side of the aisle is a lot closer to Room 101 than the other. Hint: it is the side that engages in struggle sessions.
These new Republicans want total state control to ram their religion and fucked up morals down everyone’s throat. No one forces you to use facebook or google. There are a dozen alternatives, however put MAGAs in control and there will only be one state religion and one leader for life (Trump and his heirs). These hangers on just hope Trump will give them a little slice of the pie when he attempts martial law.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Again.
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Bullshit. Fuck off and die.
“The Post-Liberal Authoritarians Want You To Forget That Private Companies Have Rights”
Yes, it’s horrific, the Twitter Files, alphabet agencies leaning on companies to censor, and then what happened to Parler after the election, and Backpage.com, and leaning on companies to mandate the jab, and then all that DEI nonsen… What’s that?
“J.D. Vance and Co.”
Oh for fuck’s sake.
Basically. Another ignore the much worse left. And as pointed out above Vance is saying what the current state is, not what he wants it to be.
Try again:
“Why don’t we seize the assets…tax their assets, and give it to the people who’ve had their lives destroyed by their radical open borders agenda?”
Which is worse? The guy proposing something stupid and authoritarian or the people already doing stupid and authoritarian things?
This is the problem with the “centrist” types (not that SRG is one, or anything but a standard leftist).
They ultimately value the status quo above all else, because they’ve found a comfortable position within the status quo- the “center”/”both sides”.
It satisfies their ego because they see themselves as “independent” and “above the fray”. All outcomes are equally bad (or good) to them because they’re not on either team.
In reality, they’re just wallflowers too fearful or proud to engage, to declare a position and be identified with the mix of good and bad that comes with each side.
Being a “centrist” allows them to pretend apathy is objectivity, waffling is independence, shallow equivocation is nuance, laziness is profound.
Because, despite the disagreement and vitriol they may receive from either or both sides, they’re taking the easy way out on an intellectual and egotistical level. The arguments with both sides feed their sense of self satisfaction, their self-image.
Thus any prospective sudden change to the status quo is uncomfortable. The centrist can move with gradual shifts and maintain his centrism because the dominant partisans constantly grow more extreme. What he cannot abide is the uncertainty that comes from a real threat to the status quo because a significant, sudden change in the status quo threatens his own identity.
A centrist can bitch about one side so long as he doesn’t commit to opposing it more than the other side. And a centrist can recognize that the real dominant side is really bad, but then he’ll justify his inaction, his commitment to non-commitment and the status quo, with fantasies of how bad it will be if the other side becomes dominant.
TL;DR- the centrist takes the easy way out by imagining that the opposing side will be just as bad as the dominant side if power were reversed, no matter how bad the dominant side is in reality
Or you could try posting the whole quote without the redactions and ellipses, shreek:
Better yet, you could link to the entire discussion, which was about how tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organizations get tax exemption despite using their endowments for activism and lobbying.
Which if anything reinforces the point. The ellipsis was entirely justified, of course. And I merely restated the quote from the article.
“tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organizations get tax exemption despite using their endowments for activism and lobbying”
I doubt he wants the big evangelical churches to pay taxes when they hire lobbyists under the table and preach politics to their congregations.
I doubt he wants the big evangelical churches to pay taxes
I certainly do.
He is correct. That’s the result of more than a century of progressivism.
Hopefully, eventually, we can undo that. But as long as these regulations and laws are in force, there is no question of whether Republicans can wield that power, only how.
“the New Right, rejecting the classical liberal commitment to limited government and rule of law, openly calls on conservatives to wield state power”
Um, I think this is the old right, as in monarchs and popes.
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If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?
B-b-but conservatives are supposed to stand around with their thumb up their ass and let radical Marxists steamroll them! Like saint Reagan and saint Bush and saint McCain and saint Romney!
No this is MAGAism, the new face of white supremacy and fascism in America.
https://twitter.com/ComradeDoyIe/status/1659294665709875218?t=8uFQbn4QaargrQqh0E7w8A&s=19
Important thread on Mass Immigration at the Southern Border — so important!
We hear a lot about the crisis at the southern border and the ‘failures’ (it’s going exactly as they planned) from the Biden and previous administrations to secure the border.
This is true, but what also needs to be discussed is why these people are flooding into our country in the first place. The well-meaning American patriot loves his country and rightfully believes in its superiority, and therefore believes that anyone trying so desperately..
to enter must more or less share his feelings. If an illegal alien loves America, it is generally a love which knows no depth beyond viewing America not as a home, but an economic zone to be exploited. And the governments and cultures of the origin countries encourage this all.
The migration of people from Latin America to the United States since Hart-Cellar in ’65 has been the largest migration of people in the history of the world.
Let’s talk about Mexico in particular. Did you know that Mexico has about 50 consulates in the United States not including the embassy in Washington? Why? Because we’re a large country? Perhaps.
No other country in the world has as many consulates in a host country as Mexico does in the US. Texas alone has 11. Each consulate has mobile consulates which travel around the circumscription.
Depending on the size of it, they’ll process 100-500 passports daily. They can print them right there the same day. Every consulate has a budget for lawyers’ fees for Mexican criminals in the US.
Yes, taxpayer money from Mexico is used to pay for criminal and immigration attorneys for Mexican nationals in the US. (Apparently systems inspired by English common law are not universally compatible.) This ignores the tens of billions of $ taken from our economy in remittances.
They also have a budget to pay for the renewal of DACA and citizenship applications. If there’s a high profile case, the Mexican government will assign a team so the Mexican in the US receives the best legal assistance possible.
Even with insignificant things like “racist graffiti,” they will send official communications to both the Sheriff’s office and local authorities demanding results and “justice.”
The Mexican government distributes pamphlets promoting these illegal aliens as “heroes” and tells them that there’s nothing wrong with illegally crossing an international border and tells them that it is their right, even.
Adjacent to this is the Mexican public schools teaching the students from a very young age that more than half of the Mexican territory was “stolen by the US.” (Hold the L, pic related.) Where did Mexico get its land from, and why will your answer be in Spanish?
These consulates collaborate with non-profit organizations. They are pushing to get driver’s licenses to illegal aliens, and they’ve so far been successful in some states.
Moreover, they’re also pushing to get rid of the 287G agreements with ICE and local agencies, which is what allows local LE to serve and execute warrants against illegal aliens in their custody on behalf of the Federal Government.
At the border, single mothers usually request asylum. The more children they have, the more sympathy they will receive at the border.
They are also taught that getting pregnant and delivering their children in the US is profitable and has many advantages, which for them it does, but for the American taxpayer — not so much!
It is common for these mothers to encourage their daughters to get pregnant by an American citizen at a very young age. They send their children to public schools in part so that they can meet potential partners who are American citizens.
It is very common for Mexicans to live in free-union; they do not get married despite the fact that they would claim to be Catholics, which speaks against these practices. They can have many partners and an estimate of something like 5 children per person, not per couple.
They’ve also found that claiming ignorance is the best way to access entitlements.
Like most third world immigrants, and this is statistically verified, the following generations have basically been taught to vote for whichever candidate promises them softer laws on crime and a way to citizenship for their parents and family.
For the most part, these aren’t immigrants — legal or illegal. These are colonizers. They bring their flag, they bring their culture, and they tell us that we need them to “enrich” our wonderful country.
The reality is that these people largely just want to live a Mexican life with the benefits of the US capitalist economy and entitlement programs. They are hoping that the American government will take care of them the way the Mexican government doesn’t.
Obviously there are exceptions to this, but the trends are still true and need to be addressed.
Talking about the cartels is a fine idea, but if you want to get serious, talk about cracking down on the presence and influence of the corrupt Mexican government in our country, on the NGOs who assist these criminal migrants, and about fully militarizing the southern border.
https://twitter.com/TheWorthyHouse/status/1659323235924574211?t=7DwBkiciEj8VwOi4srJBjw&s=19
“White supremacy” and “white nationalism” are just updates on “the bourgeoisie” and “the kulaks”—infinitely flexible terms aimed at political enemies, used to justify extortion followed by extermination. Refutation is useless; grasping the intention towards you is crucial.
So is “patriarchy” btw.
This began in the 70s with “radical feminism” and what was then known as “radical race theory.” As theories these were posed as alternatives to Marxism. Where Marxism argued that class was the primary determinator of social and economic relations, radical feminism argued it was sex, and radical race theory argued it was race. By the 80s, cultural Marxism (from the British New Left) and with it critical theory started to gain more popularity, and eventually you see feminism and race theorists incorporate it into their thought, and that’s where “critical race theory” comes from. And yes “patriarchy” and “white supremacy” are both just different names for the bourgeoisie.
Well said.
They basically merged both predominant strains of marxism, communism+nazism, by introducing nazi race essentialism as a supplement to, and eventually replace for, economic determinism.
Because the key foundation of marxism is collective identity class conflict, it is malleable and can be filled out with whatever details are most useful at any given time.
I think its a bit much to say Nazism is a strain of Marxism. It was a form of socialism, but was based on a competing social theory.
What I think is true that if you look in 1930s dictionaries, racism is defined as belief that race is the primary determining characteristic of a person as an individual. And the way a lot on the “anti-racist” left talk about race today, they definitely fit into the 1930s definition of being a “racist.” To excuse themselves, they go in a lot of circles with talk about the “power structure” while not acknowledging they’re part of the power structure.
Nazism is 100% a type of marxism.
It’s not a competing social theory, it’s a different perspective of perpetual class conflict.
Marxism boils down to a very simple formula: people are units/expressions of an identity class and identity classes exist in perpetual war with each other to determine oppressor/oppressed position.
Billy deserves the lamppost.
But he asks for amnesty. Again.
https://twitter.com/billybinion/status/1659233197354303488?t=ebTILV-nwtpmrkW-XYAg1Q&s=19
I don’t care what actually happened here, and neither should you. It is way past time we stopped litigating petty disputes between individuals in the national press. This isn’t a story.
It’s become normal for the entire country to weigh in on silly fights that are between two people and have no import beyond those two parties. Consider that it is not actually normal or healthy to do this.
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When and where I grew up, a pregnant woman, or any woman, being harassed by four men of any race was never “Nobody else’s business”.
Envy the nation that has heroes? I say pity the country that needs them. Binion, you disgust me.
Look, facts evolved. The pregnant woman can prove she rented the bike, thus the 5 “youths” were trying to steal it. Sure, Binion and his ilk spread the lie that she was being aggressive and rAcIsT to them, playing the victim when she tried to steal their bike and attacking them for a simple misunderstanding, but now facts have “evolved” so we should all just ignore the story and the vile defamation that got this woman suspended from her job and to quit all social media.
Binion is committed to keeping the fantasy of wHiTe SuPrEmAcY as the greatest danger in this country.
By the way, Binion’s hivemind fellows are still at it.
3 hours ago:
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1659491718721335297?t=vJj4q1PedcZ7vH2jyrBu-Q&s=19
A New York City hospital employee has been placed on leave after a viral video that appeared to show her attempting to take a rental bike from a group of young Black men garnered millions of views.
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The language on its own doesn’t make sense. One pregnant woman is attempting to steal a single bike from several young men? It’s odd to me that they’re attributing ownership of 1 bike to a group.
It’s pretty obvious up front that the narrative being sold is fallaciously slanted. She’s in scrubs, the guy behind her not getting directly involved is in scrubs. Maybe they decided to take a walk, in matching scrubs. But the idea that they’re coming from or going to a place of work seems exceedingly plausible. While the young men are dressed like students with nowhere to go and nothing better to do.
Maybe there was a misunderstanding about the bike, but the idea that she thought “If I get off shift early enough I can go unload some Karen on those black kids at the bike stand.” or “Harassing these kids at the bike stand might make me late or get me fired but it’s worth it.” are the utterly retarded takes.
I hope she sues the shit out of NBC, NYT, and every bolshie media outlet.
Is there a full video of the interaction? All I’m finding is the clipped version that makes her look hysterical and them calm.
On a basic level of assumption, I’m going to assume that a pregnant woman leaving her job while still wearing scrubs is the one who paid for the bike. I could believe she had a “pregnancy brain” issue where she failed to successfully pay or grabbed the wrong one. It seems highly unlikely that she’d attempt to rob a guy. Unfortunately, I’ve seen this robbery tactic before and I’m more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the individual rather than the group (who are weaponizing the ad populum fallacy).
This is the presumption a rational person should hold. Rather than firing her and the internet piling on, maybe it’s worth looking at it more closely. It seems that she has provided the receipt for the bike. I haven’t seen the guy they claimed it belonged to named or providing receipts.
Binion looks like a fool and an asshole here. If he was libertarian then he’d actually give a fuck about the use of force and that it looks like the victim is being further victimized. It’s not a simple he said/she said. It’s a microcosm of the war in our society. There is a true side of the story. If it isn’t the implausible story being told in the media then it is an infuriating transgression by the individuals and those who support them
“The Libertarian Case For The ‘Soft’ Fascism You Know” by Stephanie Slade
This is as bad as the “Ted Cruz Comes Out Against Liberal Democracy” (but really opposes liberal democrat Donald Trump) article.
As someone who considers himself a libertarian, I’d say Vance’s diagnosis is about right, even if his remedy is off base. The idea that it’s just the state, as some sort of bizarre alien force, imposing its will universally on private actors is just stupid. Libertarian or libertarian-leaning thinkers ranging from Rand to Rothbard have noted the propensity of the state and corrupt private actors to collude. And to try to pretend that private actors empowered by government intervention are somehow only to be viewed as victims of government intervention is just utterly dishonest. The state may well be the central player in the Cathedral, on that I’ll happily agree. But, it’s the central player relied upon by the corporate elites, the media, the academic-industrial complex and the rest to gain and exert power, including in their own roles, in a way that they’d never have in a free market. In practice, that amounts to fascism, which Slade’s critiques of conservative “authoritarianism” increasingly seem to be cheerleading.
This isn’t to say I agree with Vance’s proposed remedy. I think Vance’s assumption that conservatives can wrest control of the apparatus of the Cathedral and live happily ever after is hopelessly naïve. Progressivism is the ideology of the apparatus itself. As long as the concentrated power remains in place, the interests and sensibilities of those operating within the structure of that concentrated power will reflect the interests and sensibilities of the structure itself. And progressivism is ultimately the interests and sensibilities of the concentrated power of technocratic-managerial class manifest as an ideology. The only way conservatives can hope to win, and this is no mean feat, is to break the centralized power that the empowers the Cathedral.
The power of the state and the Cathedral might best be compared to the One Ring in Tolkien’s mythology. Pretending it’s just a really cute piece of jewelry (as Slade seems to do) no better serves the good than presuming that you’re the one person who can wield it without being corrupted (as Vance and others seem to think).
At the current moment the treat is coming from the left and the right is reacting.
None of this means you have to like the way companies use their rights. “If there are large private entities that are engaging in speech that some might find offensive,” Garnett says, “you can boycott them, you can not patronize them, you can criticize them, you can set up your own businesses” to compete with them. But the New Right appears to be “impatient” with these remedies.
The real problem with Weimar Germany was that the Socialist Democrats weren’t patient enough for the market to take its course in the case of overly-politically-friendly businesses like Porsche, Farben, Krupp, Audi, BMW, BASF, Bayer, Zeiss, Deutsche Bank, Merck, Mercedez Benz, Hoesch, Shell, Siemens, Steyer, VW, and Hugo Boss.
It was the overreaction of the Socialist Democrats to these libertarian-above-aboard private businesses that was the real problem. If they’d just let the market run its course, these businesses would’ve collapsed under their own crony-capitalist weight.
Edit: Did I leave out the AP? I wasn’t sure if they counted as a native nationalist corporation colluding with the national government against the better interests of the German people or if they were more of a TikTok sort of situation.
I tend to agree with Vance and especially the quote from Kevin Roberts. Does that make me “not a libertarian!”? Well, ok. That’s just a label.
I’d rather be “not a libertarian!” and fight against the woke-ification of our culture, than be a pureblood libertarian and leave our culture to the likes of the Squad, Nicole Hannah-Jones, and 99% of college administrators.
Private corporations – and for that matter – governmental/municipal corporations are PROPERTY. Property is the OBJECT of rights not the possessor of rights.
If we choose to ignore that it is because we want to pretend that humans are property.
Property is the OBJECT of rights not the possessor of rights.
Sure, but then, objects don’t generally speak, incur cruel and unusual punishment, or donate to political campaigns, so, by your own prescriptions against slavery (or ownership of humans as property), we should be clear about when we’re not violating the non-rights of property and when we are silencing or punishing the people who own the property for their actions. Which seems to be very much aligned with what Vance is saying, the problem with the corporation isn’t every last shareholder and line worker. It’s the Chief Diversity Officers, HR, and lobbyists who are the problem (and even then, not them personally, just the cooperation/collusion).
“It’s the Chief Diversity Officers, HR, and lobbyists who are the problem (and even then, not them personally, just the cooperation/collusion).”
How are they the problem? They are there to protect the interests of the corporation. Protecting it from the lawsuits of disgruntled employees, regulations from disgruntled regulators, and laws from law makers etc. The idea that Chief diversity officers are there at the behest of a shadowy Marxist cabal pulling the corporate strings is a luridly cartoonish way of looking at things. You haven’t thought this through or you’re being disingenuous.
There is a longstanding agent-principal problem. Maybe if you had paid attention to CEO pay (and stock option issuance) getting out of whack for a couple decades now, you would understand ‘wokeness’ of agents of agents being just another manifestation of this. Not something new or special.
“…Maybe if you had paid attention to CEO pay (and stock option issuance) getting out of whack for a couple decades now, you would understand ‘wokeness’ of agents of agents being just another manifestation of this…”
Poor, poor, jealous loser JFree!!!
The first Property is Self, from where Rights are exercised.
Cronyism/fascism is not free markets. Bans and mandates of products produced in markets (unless it’s deadly) is, literally, fascism. Central planning of everything from urbanization to rationing electricity, water and square footage of living space is not free market capitalism. Open borders into the world’s most progressively taxed welfare state is not libertarian. Making money from the Chemical Castration of children (big pharmaceuticals) and child porn (public schools) is despicable and worthy of decent people’s scrutiny.
Finally, the two items that would go a long way in repairing what this county has devolved into is to abolish public defined benefit pensions and tax Ivy League endowments . Yeah, I don’t give a fuck what the hedge funds think- they can go work in the Salt Mines.
You sound like the progressives who want to tax churches.
Stephanie is defending cultural marxism using the mechanisms of fascism (large companies protected from competition in bed with an authoritarian central govt).
JD is right.
Cultural marxism is a threat to liberty and is winning because the Federal Govt refuses to obey the Bill of Rights.
Time to shut done these communist organizations…tax NGOs, shut down the Federal Dept of Education, sue the NYT and Wapo for false reporting. Force colleges to backstop all student loans…end all foreign aid…end the Fed…put up a damn wall on the southern border
What the article describes is just a repackaged and time worn fascist mindset. Private business and political activity must be “coordinated” to the public policy fantasies of this sort of fake populist blood and soil worldview. Disney and other so called “woke” businesses will learn to fall in line, or be taken over in the name of “the people’s community,” As Vance said, “Why don’t we seize the assets, tax their assets, and give it to the people who’ve had their lives destroyed by their radical open borders agenda?” All you have to do is substitute “Jew” for “woke” and understand that “the people” will wind up being people like J.D. Vance or Herman Goering.
Those big business interests whose politics already have no conflict with this sort of a confiscatory kleptocratic reactionary cultural movement, like say oil companies, pharma, transportation, mining, etc. will be and are now its primary financial supporters, and they seek cartel market protections through the increasingly fascistic Republicans. Historically this might also have included armaments generally, but interestingly American fascist movements have been inclined against territorial irredentism, and at odds with the traditional American military industrial complex and war profiteering, so as of now the neocons and their financial backers are hanging on to stammering old Joe Biden and the Democrats version of crony capitalism for dear life as some sort of Hindenburg check on the worst outcome for their bottom lines. That leaves the manufacturers of guns for sale to teenage school shooters and mental patients profiting so far from this sort of madness.
To hell with all of you statist Trump-humping nationalists.
https://www.takimag.com/article/what-is-common-good-capitalism-and-why-are-some-conservatives-so-enamored/
“Common-good capitalism is all the rage these days with national conservatives. But what exactly is it, you may ask? That’s a good question. As far as I can tell, it’s a lovely sounding name for imposing one’s preferred economic and social policies on Americans while pretending to be “improving” capitalism. If common-good capitalism’s criticisms of the free-market and prescriptions for its improvement were ice cream, it would be identical in all but its serving container to what much of the Left has been dishing up for decades.”
And people think I’m being hyperbolic when I say the MAGAs are fascists.
Not all facists are MAGAs but all MAGAs are fascists
I would think Democrats are much more fascist.
fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls – Biden is the most authoritarian president ever with huge number of executive orders bypassing congress, his mandates, and his excessive regulations. Biden has censored, started a Ministry of Truth and worked controlled the tech industry and environmental industry.
violent suppression of the opposition, – the Democrats weaponized the IRS, FBI and DOJ to go after political opponents, to legally harass, arrest and imprison political opponents.
and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. The new nationalism is LBGT+ and it is belligerent as hell. White hate is racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. – The Democrats tried to take over elections from the states as authorized in the Constitution by federalizing them while in Control of the presidency, the senate and the house. They tried to end the first and second amendments, they want to re-write the Constitution, they packed the appeal courts under Obama, the Democrats spend billions under Biden with programs advocating their system of government.
Now explain how the Republicans are fascists? Again the Democrats use projection to blame others for what they are doing.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.- Biden has been the most dictorial president ever.
The Woke-Liberal Reason Authoritarians Want You To Forget That Conservatives and Libertarians Have Rights Too
People have rights. Abstract government-created constructs (corporations) have privileges assigned to them by the government.
One wonders how one can both support the Citizen’s United ruling AND wag your finger at the State Department/Silicon Valley censorship industrial complex like… all at the same time and without ironicalism!
Probably Shrike socks.
I don’t know. Supporting constitutional rights but objecting to how some use those constitutional rights is a pretty common thing. And, ironically, we could stand to have more of it in today’s society, honestly.
E.g.: “I can completely disagree with what you have to say but I will fight and die for your right to say it.”
I don’t know why two issues would have to be conflated.
I disagree with Citizens United — I think it was an overbroad decision — but on each issue I think it comes down to a different set of legal problems and because of that you can have answers on both that don’t necessarily ideologically align with each other.
Nice–the simple-minded solution. Have fun with that.
I agreed with you right up until the point where you said that “conservatives” (whoever they might be) have no choice but to respond in kind. Opposing – and perhaps preventing – progressives from using government to achieve their totalitarian ends does not require conservatives to use government to achieve THEIR totalitarian ends. We can use the Constitution and, if necessary, militia force to prevent both progressives and “conservatives” from using government power to achieve ANY of their ends without trying to use government power to restore constitutional limits on government power. As my hero, Bullwinkle, was told, “That trick NEVER works!”
I read the first half of the article and totally agree with R MAC. I quit reading it because I figured Slade was misrepresenting what Vance meant and thought I’d see what was in the comments. So I’ll just go with that, not read the last half and figure Slade is being disingenuous.
“He’s making an observation, and also saying it’s bad. Slade is being trash…”
Correct; the headline is a blatant lie. He’s pointing out the drift and warning about it; the direct opposite of the headline claim.
Add Slade to the list of ‘Reason Liars’.
My belief is that it is aligned against taxpayers. Just look at the insistence to use union labor, not lowest cost/best quality to save tax dollars. It is more aligned with donors and the voters who don’t pay taxes.
He and these nationalists not advocating laissez faire.
Why are they always trying to gaslight us? I don’t get it.
You’re likely correct.
I do too, but with a slight change: “ironiclasm”
The intentional vandalism of instances of irony to enforce the new religious imperative of cognitive dissonance
https://twitter.com/hairtoucher/status/1659202025417220100?t=iifzvkYfJ0_dtjxLRynhrw&s=19
Basically every incidence of White People Being Bad is a hoax, nevertheless this woman was put on leave “pending review”. There’s something almost amnesiac about our culture, like mass forgetting is a defense mechanism for handling a constant bombardment of lies & contradictions.
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Given that he came back with his Nelson sock to corpse-fuck the thread hours after it died like he always does, that’s a pretty good bet.
Funny how you only get your hackles raised about using the government for “totalitarian” ends when it’s the right using constitutional powers like congressional oversight and legislation to restrain the unconstitutional activities of the administrative state.
I’m starting to think that Reason is deliberately trolling its readership because so often the article headlines are not only misleading but deliberately distortions of the truth. They constantly set up these overly simplistic straw man arguments and smugly purport to dismantle points no one is making. It’s weird. The other day they published a piece criticizing Republicans for “overstating” the crime problem in San Francisco. It’s impossible to overstate the dystopian crime sewer San Francisco sadly has become, yet Reason saw fit to waste valuable column space devoted to criticizing how people are describing it.
“It’s impossible to overstate the dystopian crime sewer San Francisco sadly has become”
Yes it is possible, and you just did. Facts are facts, and there’s no need to OVERstate them. Just cite statistics. SF has a crime problem as do many large cities, but to call it a “dystopian crime sewer” is demagoguery to the extreme.
“because so often the article headlines are not only misleading but deliberately distortions of the truth. ”
Headlines are written by the Editors, likely KMW. And 90% of the problem at Reason is that KMW is a bad editor, who does not challenge blue-bubble group think.
It is dystopian. You cannot leave anything in your car, anywhere in the city- all the way down to the bay area- without it being stolen. If you forget and leave an empty bag from McDonalds in your car, your window will be broken.
Entire tent cities line the roads of the bay area. I have work colleagues who can no longer use their back yard, because on the other side of their fence is a tent city on the easement behind their house.
It is dystopian. It is a hell hole. And the people who live in it have been slow-boiled so long that they don’t understand why visitors’ jaws hit the floor when they see it.
So you’re Seth Rogan’s sockpuppet, got it. SF is not the worst in the country but when people are fleeing your city, there is hardly a neighborhood sporting rampant graffiti and boarded up storefronts plus the comical faces on the sidewalk & usual theft and violence…yeah, dystopian.
“…SF has a crime problem as do many large cities, but to call it a “dystopian crime sewer” is demagoguery to the extreme.”
It is, at worst, a bit of hyperbole. Fuck off and die.
In order for crime facts to be correct, the police have to record all crimes properly. Time and time again it is shown they do not, and that the only number that is remotely reliable is homicide, and even that can get iffy. See the latest arkancide where the guy supposedly drove 30 miles away from home, tossed a noose around his neck, got ready to hang himself, and then shot himself with a shotgun in such a way as to kill himself instantly. Yet purportedly suicide.
> It is dystopian. It is a hell hole. And the people who live in it have been slow-boiled so long that they don’t understand why visitors’ jaws hit the floor when they see it.
it is the income and wealth inequality you tolerate and prescribe for the rest of society, biting you in the ass. get better politics, learn and truly get through your addled libertarian fucking skull the concept of “Redistribution” and how it can prevent things like fucking tent cities
The person who originally said that was bastard. Yeah, nice sounding but purely a lying sop to people who don’t look to the meanings of words.
I will not defend a right to talk pro-trans for example. And I would do everything I can to bring A-B down legallly because of that Dylan guy, who has something major wrong with him.
When I see the following for example, the only charitable respones is to seek prison time or the like
https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1987,w_3534,x_0,y_342/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_1044/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1670890442/GettyImages-1188319105_mjw9sh
you did the same thing, with a simple-minded reply.
Well, here’s your problem: You are an idiot.
No one has every redistributed away a nation’s poverty. And SF is one of the most redistributive cities in the nation.