Don't Blame Elon Musk for Turkey's Authoritarian Twitter Censorship
Anger about social media censorship should be directed at repressive governments, not the companies they threaten.

Twitter CEO Elon Musk is facing a barrage of media criticism for acquiescing to demands from the Turkish government to censor content on the site. The acts of censorship took place last week, just days before the country's presidential election; unsurprisingly, the restricted accounts had expressed criticism of autocratic Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Given that Musk has promised to make Twitter a platform for free speech—indeed, his stated rationale for buying the site was to make it more protective of political expression—his kowtowing to Erdogan has struck many commentators as hypocritical. "Elon Musk Doesn't Care About Free Speech," declared The New Republic. NBA star Enes Kanter Freedom, a Turkish dissident who has frequently criticized the Erdogan regime, said "I don't want to hear about Elon Musk talking about free speech ever again."
Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown also chided Musk for "making a dictator's job easier." And Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales tweeted that treating freedom of speech "as a principle rather than a slogan" would have meant fighting back harder.
What Wikipedia did: we stood strong for our principles and fought to the Supreme Court of Turkey and won. This is what it means to treat freedom of expression as a principle rather than a slogan. https://t.co/tHkx1Wa06r
— Jimmy Wales (@jimmy_wales) May 13, 2023
It's absolutely true that there's a certain incoherence to Musk's approach. He croons about free speech, while also pledging to follow applicable local laws. He has said he is willing to lose money on Twitter if it means protecting free speech, but he has also said that Twitter will not try to impose its values (free speech, one assumes) on the rest of the world.
Most countries, unfortunately, do not have free speech protections that are as robust as the U.S.'s First Amendment—and even in the U.S., social media companies have faced tremendous pressure from federal government agencies to censor speech. Musk is well aware of this, having green-lit the Twitter Files. Perhaps he should have anticipated that his various pledges—allow free speech, obey the law, be willing to lose money, don't impose values—would swiftly come into conflict.
But some of the criticism seems to suggest that Musk's decision to heed Turkey is some new low for social media platforms. Ryan Mac, a tech reporter for The New York Times, frets that Musk has provided "a blueprint for repressive governments everywhere."
"If Twitter doesn't censor the content you want, simply threaten to cut off the service," says Mac, summarizing the aforementioned blueprint. "Its owner just put it in writing."
This blueprint already exists: Musk is not remotely the first social media CEO to begrudgingly accede to an authoritarian government's demands.
In 2007, a Turkish court ordered the country's internet service provider to take down YouTube over videos that mocked Turkey's founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. YouTube complied within hours, removing the videos in order to restore YouTube access to citizens of Turkey. In subsequent years, Turkey's government used similar threats to force Facebook, Periscope, and yes, Twitter, to comply with demands for censorship.
It's true that Wikipedia fought back against Turkey's demands for censorship, resulting in the site not being available in Turkey at all from 2017 to 2019.
"I'd have liked to see everyone resist more over the years, but Turkey is a pretty important market," says Will Duffield, a policy analyst at the Cato Institute. "Wikipedia is probably the most successful example of resistance, after taking the block for two years a Turkish court ordered it reinstated on human rights grounds. Musk seems to be punished as much for tweeting it out as for complying."
It's not just Turkey, of course. Social media companies have had to deal with demands for content takedowns all over the globe. During the 2000s, the version of Google that was available in China included all sorts of compromises with the Chinese Communist Party's tyranny. Eventually, Google stopped complying, so it got the boot. In 2018, Google had plans to relaunch its censored search engine in China, but when the details leaked, the company faced so much criticism in the U.S. that it had to abandon course.
The point is that these are not always easy calls. When a repressive government orders a private company to restrict content, it is the government—not the company—that has decided to violate the human rights of its citizens. The companies should resist wherever they can, but resisting to the point at which the government shuts down their service is neither a moral requirement nor a course of action that obviously maximizes freedom. It's perfectly legitimate to think that a CCP-approved version of Google—while far from ideal—is better for the people of China than no Google at all. In either case, the villain is the CCP, not Google.
Which brings us back to Musk and Turkey. Twitter claims that it has fought Erdogan's takedown request to the maximally practical extent.
"We were in negotiation with the Turkish Government throughout last week, who made clear to us Twitter was the only social media service not complying in full with existing court orders," said a spokesperson for Twitter in a tweet. "We received what we believed to be a final threat to throttle the service—after several such warnings—and so in order to keep Twitter available over the election weekend, took action on four accounts and 409 Tweets identified by court order."
The spokesperson noted that the company will continue to fight the demands in court, and subsequently released the written orders for all the world to see.
Refusing to comply would have meant a total Twitter outage in Turkey on the even of its election. This is a development that should make everyone very angry with the Turkish government—Musk is not the correct object of scorn, though it's obviously fair to note he has not yet delivered on his promise of a free speech platform.
"The situation illustrates the dangers of letting autocrats control market access," says Duffield. "The best solution is to treat such demands as non-tariff barriers to trade. Our friends and allies should not demand that American firms neuter their products in accordance with local whims."
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Don't Blame Elon Musk for Turkey's Authoritarian Twitter Censorship
Anger about social media censorship should be directed at repressive governments, not the companies they threaten.
Agreed! About THIS precise matter, the worst that we can accuse Elon of, is slight (? or perhaps moderate ?) dishonesty... "I am TOTES 110% dedicated to free speech! No holds barred!" ... And OMITTING the "parenthetically" clause of, "Except when I can't make any extra money that way, for getting shut down". The other option is to GO THE HELL AHEAD and get shut down, and point the finger at exactly WHO it was, that shut you down! Word DOES get around, even in authoritarian nations (ass we're gonna get if'n we're STUPID enough to re-elect The Donald and His Stolen Erections!)
Except he wasn't dishonest at all, as this article and a billion other places have been clear. Elon has always said that his company would have to follow laws of the location in question. Of course this also puts paid to your slight (? or perhaps moderate ?) dishonesty when you insisted censorship couldn't be happening because no one was going to jail.
And who-all is getting censored here on this forum right now?
And WHO, in the USA today who has access to an internet connection, can NOT freely access ALL the lies, of whatever flavor, that they want to access? So where IS all this "censorshit"? Maybe it is (or more properly and honestly, "should be") simply called "private web sites; owners decide".
"And who-all is getting censored here on this forum right now?"
Cute attempt to change the subject. But let's return to the actual point at hand. You just agreed with Reason when they said censorship was happening. You quoted Reason's headline that used the word "censorship" twice. You said you "agreed".
And for the record, this episode of censorship (which you agreed was happening) included absolutely ZERO people being punished. By your own words you are contradicting your previous arguments that Censorship is not happening if no one is being punished.
https://reason.com/2023/01/10/house-republicans-to-probe-white-house-pressure-on-social-media-companies/?comments=true#comment-9870130
You spend hours on this board decrying the mean people who are mean to you. Wanna know what is mean? Pretending you are here to argue in good faith, and then posting the same tired argument- that you agreed has no merit- over and over. Your DEMAND for people to disprove an argument you know is fallacious is no different than someone calling you crazy. It is deceitful and dishonest.
So you’re STILL not naming any names of these HORRIBLY victimized web site owners? Color me SHOCKED!
And… It depends on WHO is doing it!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/863932758/stung-by-twitter-trump-signs-executive-order-to-weaken-social-media-companies
Stung By Twitter, Trump Signs Executive Order To Weaken Social Media Companies
Techdirt Parler censors liberals... https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/29/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like/
BOTH SIDES have done this, and will likely continue to do so! Deal with it! Get your news and opinions from some place OTHER than Twitter, which is what I do! Boycotts work! Crying to Government Almighty does NOT work, unless you have a LOT of spare bribe (oops, I mean campaign contribution) money at hand!
When I say that "BOTH SIDES have done this", I do NOT mean to LIE (like some people do), and claim that Government Almighty PUNISHED web site owners for WRONG political moderation (to exclude murder-for-hire ads, etc.) What I mean is that BOTH sides have THREATENED to do so, AFTER tearing down Section 230! And idiots fall right in line demanding that S-230 be trashed, so that THEY can pussy-grab their enemies, who will supposedly NEVER pussy-grab them right back! We can never reach peak stupid, it seems!
"This is a development that should make everyone very angry with the Turkish government—Musk is not the correct object of scorn, though it's obviously fair to note he has not yet delivered on his promise of a free speech platform."
Wow, this is now the second article in one day that directly repudiates a Hot Take (tm) from ENB. I eagerly await White Mike jumping onto twitter to defend her from...other Reason journalists.
I don't know what the fuck is happening at Reason HQ, but maybe they are starting to see some sense.
(And note, I have no special desire to see ENB gone...I just believe her Hot Takes (tm) are rarely more than Blue Bubble agitprop, and that a libertarian magazine shouldn't be posting that shit.)
Mike has a quandary on which writer to simp for.
The chick he has the hots for?
Robbie has the better unmatted hair.
So WHAT is it that ENB wrote, that you disagree with, and why? Other than calling her stuff "rarely more than Blue Bubble agitprop", do you actually HAVE something to say, other than to ASSert "Red Bubble agitprop"?
Your examples and citations are AWESOME! Because I said so! And because “Because I said so!” is THE most awesome libertarian, NON-authoritarian attitude EVER!!!!
Feel free to go read her previous articles. If I had a problem with said article, my response is generally in the comments. Specifically this week she has claimed Durham's report was a waste of money that didn't find any "major wrongdoing", a point contradicted by Ciaramella today. And as Soave reports in this post, ENB was hot out of the gate condemning Musk over the Turkey fiasco...which he argues is wrongheaded.
Don't bitch at me, it is Reason contributors who are disagreeing with her terrible takes.
The squirrel is ENB?
It's also more articles than they wrote objecting to the Twitter Files...
It’s also more articles than they wrote objecting to the depredations of Attila the Hun! It PROVES that they're simping for Attila the Hun!
If Attila the Hun reincarnated in 2023 and started censoring the internet I would absolutely criticize Reason if they ignored him for political reasons.
You really don't think about your sophistry before you post it, do you?
No censorship is happening because no one went to jail.
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Accidentally stepping on my toes is literally GENOCIDE!!! -Overt
If this keeps up, we'll have to start using the phrases LITERAL literal genocide, LITERAL literal censorshit, etc. ...
And WHO, in the USA today who has access to an internet connection, can NOT freely access ALL the lies, of whatever flavor, that they want to access?
Except Douglas Mackey did go to jail.
10 years in federal prison for a meme.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/31/far-right-influencer-convicted-in-voter-suppression-scheme-00090042
Far-right influencer convicted in voter suppression scheme
Douglass Mackey, 33, of West Palm Beach, Florida, was convicted in Brooklyn federal court before Judge Ann M. Donnelly after a one-week trial.
Stealing people's votes (through fraud) = "free speech"? Can I sell you some horse shit, while calling it "health-promoting nutritional supplements", and call that "free speech" ass well? And NOT expect to be punished, when caught? Cry some more, whining crybaby!
Dude, it was a fucking joke. If people were dumb enough to fall for it, that's on them.
Can I sell you some horse shit, while calling it “health-promoting nutritional supplements”, and call that “free speech” ass well?
"If people were dumb enough to fall for it, that’s on them." ... With that, I will justify myself!
I SERVE the people by ABUSING them! The weak and the stupid? The old, senile, and bedridden? Abuse them at will, and feel GOOD about it!
Has this been tried before? What were the results?
"Mackey didn’t sell anything."
A civilized society punished fraud, period! If I rip off a hooker through fraud... Promise to pay her for sex, get the sex, and do NOT pay her... I didn't sell anything, and I didn't deprive the hooker of her twat, either... She still has all that. Do you now think that the hooker should NOT be allowed to sue me, or otherwise have me punished!
Substitute an agreed-upon car or house inspection, many types of diagnostic doctor visits (consultations), physical or mental therapy, or any of a LOT of exchanges, for the hooker, and the math remains the same! No fraud allowed, you excuse-maker for EVIL! Ye servant and serpent of the Evil One!
Mackey promised to have these votes recorded (to matter, to be placed), and he lied about that! Ripped people off by making false promises... Highly similar to falsely promising to pay the hooker after having sex with her (or ditto other services by others, similarly ripped off, as I have listed).
Are you really too retarded to understand?
Yes, you are! Admit it! Some HONESTY from you would be a refreshing change, and a good place for you to start!
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> at Reason HQ, but maybe they are starting to see some sense.
Maybe.
Maybe it's a case of a stopped clock finding an acorn now and again. Time will tell, but it IS nice to see at least one reasonable take today.
Erdogan has been aggressively anti-press-freedom from the start, jailing journalists and political enemies, and leaning away from the secularism that used to define Turkey as "Islamic, but everyone is welcome". Doing business there means dealing with their laws and their political climate.
TL:DR Turkey is not the US, and is undergoing many crises both in the economy and in their take on liberal democracy. THIS is what should be discussed, not Twitter trying to cope.
Also, what the fuck is with Wikipedia trying to shame Musk here and act like they are something special. That shithole of a website has been completely coopted by propagandists. They are not liberal, open, fair, balanced, or anything else other than a great place for Media Matters aligned editors to gaslight the world.
Also even if Wikipedia were some bastion of free expression, it is nonsense to compare the two. Wikipedia is relatively static and can be mirrored and those mirrors distributed in order to provide its "service" of providing information. Twitter is about communication. You can't screenshot or mirror a 3 week old twitter feed and get the same value.
Zalensky is doing the same things as Ergodon but we have to praise him for some reason.
Almost the same.
Erdogan hasn't closed down any orthodox churches and jailed the clergy to my knowledge.
Orthodox churches have been shut down in Turkey for a while now, generally speaking.
Not so much.
I spent a month in Istanbul and Antalya in 2005.
Maybe it's changed now, but I haven't heard they've taken such measures recently.
They did convert a bunch of them into mosques, most spectacularly the Hagia Sophia, but that was pre Erdogan.
Funny note: the airport in Athens lists "Constantinople" as the destination for flights to Istanbul.
> They did convert a bunch of them into mosques, most spectacularly the Hagia Sophia, but that was pre Erdogan.
That was the joke I was making.
Yea, I was just being a dick.
No, Hagia Sophia was a museum for the last 100 years until just recently it was reconverted back to a mosque.
Take it up with Mehmet II
Damn, I just posted this above (before reading yours). Is Reason getting tired of Faux Libertarians? Wonder what Mikey and Sarc will do if they are? Pretend all along they agreed with us?
"directed at repressive governments"
My blame points to Lefty Nazi-Empire Agencies growing in the USA.
https://twitter.com/carolinecwilder/status/1658883217082941443?t=J8_rCVYwpfR-jXgk9qz-DA&s=19
Pride knows no bounds @Ford
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Ha Ha. Drive that to hunting camp
will not try to impose its values (free speech, one assumes) on the rest of the world..
If only everyone did that.
https://twitter.com/CovfefeAnon/status/1658919099852881928?t=osA_w2v39ahGiYu15ibUyA&s=19
Like the earlier message from US DoS this is a message that NATO doesn't recognize the territorial sovereignty of any government on Earth.
If there are LQBTQI+ people in a country, they're under NATO protection.
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The Covenant School, the Nashville Christian academy that was the site of a brutal mass shooting by trans killer that killed 3 children and 3 adults, has filed a court motion seeking to intervene in lawsuits demanding the public release of Audrey Hale's manifesto.
https://twitter.com/genX_75/status/1658712794710306816?t=K9vGqqtNh-pXYq0PmA_8Og&s=19
You need to understand that Neo-marxism is a global administrative state that is drowning the world in propaganda while simultaneously rewriting history and influencing (directly/indirectly) laws to bury us under more and more "woke" beurocracy.
This much stimulation in society causes you to tune out of society and avoid the noise or just keep quiet to avoid the negative attention ( keeping head down).
It has the fabulous side effect of making disinterested/disenfranchised people move aside, allowing for the infestation of the ideology (entryism).
Then comes the enforcement of the new
"normalization".
This is top down Neo-communism for regular people & Fascism (stakeholder capitalism) at the elite level. It uses any authoritarian tactic/technique/strategy to win. And so far, they are.
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They're all using identical logic.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1658931091737124864
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The wave of trans violence needs to be addressed. By far the biggest threat of random violence and terrorism comes from psychotic trannies these days.
Feeding people megadoses of any sort of hormone, cis or trans, can't possibly be good for mental health in people. I remember what puberty was like. I wouldn't want to be driven by that much testosterone again. I don't imagine I'd find megadoses of estrogen particularly psychically healthy either.
^This.
Even people in hormone therapy don't get a tenth of the dose they give to trans.
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1659008636750790659?t=vG0TCDNywwRC-41T-LhYjg&s=19
Are you ready for this New Yorkers?
New York City will begin tracking the carbon footprint of household food consumption and putting caps on how much red meat can be served.
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https://twitter.com/GrantAHolcomb/status/1658821138397503494?t=ZNp2FqdEKCdX809D5ECm4A&s=19
Bible Belt wins again.
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This is what a lot of anti-theists don't get. The massive amount of charity given by religious people which dwarfs even government. Some try to dismiss it by claiming it's given to church operations, but that's not included.
And it's not just Christians. Religious Muslims are far more charitable than secular Arabs. Religious Jews are far more charitable than secular Jews. Religious Hindus are far more charitable than secular Indians.
It is better for 60% freedom of speech than 0% within a country. Don't remove it for the world, just filter for a specific country. The savvy will jailbreak the country code anyway.
Next it is up to the people of any country repressing freedom of speech to demand access.
Just like in the USA, the Biden regime has tried to repress freedom of speech effectively calling over 70 million citizens of being villainous terrorists because they refuse to drink the Leftist Kool-Aid.
Voters who didn't vote for Trump, need to stand up and fight against the repressive tendencies of the Biden regime. We don't want the authoritarian single party state that the leftist are attempting to create.
I think the biggest thing I struggle with is the completely dishonest attacks on Musk. I personally disagree with his decision here, but that’s easy for someone who didn’t invest $44 billion into a company to say, and Soave lays out the logical and arguable position of Musk. Doesn’t change my opinion, but I can respect the logic supporting his position.
But the left has been constantly pushing for censorship almost daily anymore. They hated Musk literally because he was against censorship. Yet, this instance when he did censor, they attack him for censoring. It’s literally the left attacking him for doing what they advocate for. It’s basically saying, “you’re just as shitty as we are, how dare you!”
Yet, that’s not how they see it. They simply don’t like what he censored, not the fact that he censored. But they can't take that line of argument because it's too honest, so instead they feign about censorship. It’s so disingenuous and gross.
The cause of the socialists is as the strength of ten because their hearts are pure and their cause is socially just. Double standards don't count when it comes to pure hearts and social justice.
Musk is a self-serving hypocrite. You don't have to be a leftist to see that.
I like his cars, though.
The two are not mutually exclusive! One can blame Turkey's dictatorship AND Elon Musk in different ways for different transgressions.
Blame him for doing what he said he would? I don’t get that
this is way-off topic, but one hopes that the "number of changes" reason is phasing in to these comment sections includes blocking these stupid "I make xxx dollars at home doing so and so, here's the link" bot posts.
Makes the school look bad regarding bullying in a way that might trigger an investigation?
They were worried about schematics and names of employees. I have no problem with that being redacted.
The powers that be pressured them maybe.
I'd say there could be allegations/evidence of wrongdoing on the school's part, but if that were the case you'd think the police would have something to say about it.
Then again, both could be true...
The powers that be don't bother me as much as the be-ers that POW!