Ron DeSantis Confirms (Again) That His Attack on Disney Was Political Retribution
He either doesn't understand or won't admit why this violates the First Amendment.

It's been less than three weeks since The Walt Disney Company sued Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over what it claims is an unconstitutional "campaign of government retaliation" personally directed by DeSantis.
And in a newly published interview, DeSantis seems to admit that's pretty much exactly what happened.
"When Disney first came out against the bill [H.B. 1557]…people in the legislature started floating this idea of going after Reedy Creek," DeSantis told The American Conservative's Bradley Devlin in an interview published Monday by the right-leaning publication.
That bill—dubbed the "Don't Say Gay" bill by the media—forbade the discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in elementary school classrooms (a ban that has more recently been expanded to include all public schools in Florida). In response to Disney's criticism of the bill, DeSantis began a monthslong crusade against the company and the Reedy Creek Improvement District, the special governing jurisdiction which contains Disney's Florida theme parks and associated properties. That effort culminated, for now, in DeSantis appointing a new board to oversee the zone and Disney's subsequent lawsuit alleging targeted political persecution.
In the new interview, DeSantis initially tries to pass off the idea as having originated with unnamed members of the state Legislature. Later, he argues that "Disney had fallen out of favor with our base" and become "unpopular with a lot of the legislators."
But the interview leaves little doubt about who was leading the effort. Devlin writes that, after Disney criticized the bill's passage, DeSantis "and his team" started digging into the company. Later, after the initial effort to simply repeal the Reedy Creek district nearly collapsed amid a series of legal and fiscal complications, DeSantis talks about guiding the process that ended with the state seizing control of the board that runs Reedy Creek.
Through it all, DeSantis tries to frame the Reedy Creek issue as a unique example of corporate welfare. But there are hundreds of similar special improvement districts scattered across Florida. Only one of them is under attack by DeSantis—and it's no coincidence that it is the district run by a corporation that's engaged in a political spat with the governor.
Indeed, DeSantis has openly bragged about engaging in political retribution against Disney, including in his recently published book. The 77-page complaint filed by the company last month is littered with examples of the governor and his political allies confirming that Disney was a singular and politically motivated target.
Asked about Disney's lawsuit alleging that political retribution, DeSantis says it misses the mark. "I mean, the idea you have a First Amendment right to corporate welfare or having a local government that you basically control with no accountability is ridiculous," he says. The attempt to take control of Reedy Creek did not "touch Disney's free speech rights," did not "pull ABC's broadcast license," and did not remove Disney's "ability to speak out," DeSantis argues.
But that's a deliberate misunderstanding of what the lawsuit claims. Disney isn't alleging that DeSantis directly threatened the company's right to broadcast its content. Nevertheless, DeSantis deliberately revoking Disney's self-governing status is still an unconstitutional violation of the company's right to free speech and due process, the company alleges—as the Supreme Court has consistently held.
Later in the same American Conservative piece, Oren Cass helpfully clarifies the situation.
"The interesting thing about the Disney example is that DeSantis wasn't going after Disney because Disney was being woke," says Cass, executive director of American Compass, a right-wing think tank. "What elicited response was Disney's decision to try to get involved in the political process."
Exactly. And here's the thing: The individuals who form a corporation have the right to get involved in the political process—and to do so without the threat of political retribution from elected and appointed government officials. The right to free speech does not end at the boardroom door.
"If the government could deny a benefit to a person because of his constitutionally protected speech or associations, his exercise of those freedoms would in effect be penalized and inhibited," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion of a 1996 Supreme Court case that dealt with a very similar situation: a government attempting to revoke a government-granted privileged in response to the owner of a towing company exercising his free speech rights.
"Such interference with constitutional rights is impermissible," Kennedy concluded.
Unfortunately, that sort of interference with constitutional rights is increasingly being cheered on the political right. Cass tells The American Conservative that long-held conservative principles about the free speech rights of corporations (and the people who run them) need "rethinking." Elsewhere in the piece, Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts lauds DeSantis for the governor's willingness to wield the power of the state against private businesses.
"This is our moment to demand that our politicians use the power they have. This is the moment for us to demand of companies, whether they're Google, or Facebook, or Disney, that you listen to us, rather than ram down our throats and into our own families all of the garbage that you've been pushing on us," Roberts tells Devlin. "This is our time to demand that you do what we say. And it's glorious."
There may never be a more concise and apt description of what Reason's Stephanie Slade calls "will-to-power conservatism" than those few sentences. And, coming from the president of the Heritage Foundation, those words carry extra weight. This is no longer a fringe idea within the conservative milieu; it is the viewpoint of the Republican establishment and the calling card of one of the leading Republican governors in the country.
The courts will have the final say on the legal and constitutional elements of DeSantis' assault on Disney and Reedy Creek. Politically, however, DeSantis is quick to denounce those who disagree with his approach. "I think too many people on the right have basically been corporatists over the years," he tells The American Conservative.
But the rights of private entities—individuals, corporations, whatever—are fundamental to a well-functioning society. Without strict limits on the realms where politics can intrude, there will be no realms into which politics does not intrude, and the breaking down of those barriers should not be cheered.
Saying so isn't corporatism, it's constitutionalism—something that used to matter to leading conservatives.
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Teason writers proving once again they are pro-pedophile far left propagandists.
If opposing government control of business and defending free expression is far left, count me in.
Could be one of the dumbest statements ever said here. Operation chokepoint, ESG, DEI... all leftist ideologies effecting business. Usually at the expense of conservatives.
Yet the Florida Legislature passing regulation to end all special benefits to these agreements that effected neutrally a dozen businesses causing them to be treated as every other business... outrage!!!
You'll be cheering until Democratic governors and legislators take action against conservative corporations. Then you'll be crying like the little Airizona girlie you are.
Cite? Love how you guys make up bullshit. I am always against corporate favoritism. Try again.
Take action against conservative corporations?
That has to be the emptiest threat ever.
That’s already happening. Damn, you’re stupid.
Neither side (neither side!) understands this. The power you give government for your side to wield WILL be used against you when the other side comes to power.
Eight years of Obama and the progressives did not understand that he was not an immortal being who would be president forever. So when Trump got elected they all shit their pants and cried "who gave Trump all this power?!?!?" And Rorschach whispered back, "you did, you gave him this power".
The same is starting to happen in reverse. Progressives are using the powers that conservatives gave to government to impose their progressive wishes on everyone. The power to ban woke is the same power to impose woke. Government should NOT have that power to begin with.
This is why I do not like the modern conservatives, their operating principle is indeed "will to power". They demand the power to impose their will upon others. I remain a libertarian and would deny government the power to anything except protect the lives, liberties, and properties of the people. Punishing corporations for having an opinion on school curricula exceeds that scope.
Remember the concept of the imperial presidency? And how too much was being done via executive orders? The neo-cons and Cheney, Rumsfield etc...cheered it on. Then Obama got 8yrs and ohhhhhh noooo he was doing the same thing and the republicans shed many tears. Then Trump did. Dem tears. Rinse, repeat for Trump and now Biden.
It's so weird how you roll together government law-enforcement actions like Operation Chokepoint, voluntary investment strategies like ESG, and voluntary corporate policies like DEI and pretend they are the same as targeted retribution by the government against a company whose CEO criticized legislation supported by the governor.
"ideologies effecting business", as things that are voluntarily chosen by companies, aren't equivelent to targeted legislative retribution for speech critical of the government.
Corporate ideologies can be adopted (or not) by each company, depending on their wishes. Laws are not voluntary.
"Yet the Florida Legislature passing regulation to end all special benefits to these agreements that effected neutrally a dozen businesses causing them to be treated as every other business… outrage!!!"
Your characterization is wrong. The first version kf the legislation would have impacted 6 of the 1800+ special tax districts in Florida. But it would also leave Florida responsible for the loans Disney took out to build infrastructure and pay emergency services and police.
The legislation that passed impacted only Reedy Creek and left Disney with the costs of infrastructure without any compensation. If that isn't targeted retribution by the government (and completely devoid of policy purposes, since only one of the 1800+ special tax dustricts), I don't know what is.
Lol. They are rolled together because government officials are making those things requirements in banks and risk a alysis to effect basis points. They also tie government contracts to it. Operation Chokepoint was the beginning of it. Biden has openly continued it through various regulations and contract awards.
Are you not aware of this? You are literally ignoring the corporate fascism growing in real time. But I dont expect much from you in regards to knowledge.
The legislation that passed impacted only Reedy Creek and left Disney with the costs of infrastructure without any compensation. If that isn’t targeted retribution by the government (and completely devoid of policy purposes, since only one of the 1800+ special tax dustricts), I don’t know what is.
This is completely wrong.
CNN didn’t tell him, so no, he doesn’t know about that.
"corporate fascism"
Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism
You do understand that a corporation isn't a government, right? Corporate fascism is a literal oxymoron.
"This is completely wrong."
“The legislation would dissolve special districts that were created before November 1968 and have not been reapproved in state law. A state Constitution was ratified in November 1968.
A House staff analysis said the legislation would apply to five special districts: the Reedy Creek Improvement District, the Bradford County Development Authority, the Sunshine Water Control District in Broward County, the Eastpoint Water and Sewer District in Franklin County and the Hamilton County Development Authority.
The districts would be dissolved on June 1, 2023, though the proposal says they could be “reestablished.””
So out of more than 1800 special districts in Florida, legislation was passed that impacted just five. And of those, four have reported that the government has indicated that they will be allowed to reestablish their districts under the same terms as before.
But you want us to believe Disney wasn’t targeted by DeSantis.
When the Reedy Creek district made a development agreement with Disney, which was completely within their authority, another law was suddenly drafted (and signed) specifically targeting that agreement.
But you want us to believe Disney wasn’t targeted by DeSantis.
It’s not even something they’re trying to hide. When someone says, “this is a really nice business you have here, it would be a shame if anything happened to it”, they have to make sure everyone understands why bad things are suddenly happening. DeSantis and Florida Republicans have made it clear why bad things are happening.
But you want us to believe Disney wasn’t targeted by DeSantis.
It is completely right. You are definitely lying to everyone here. You may be lying to yourself. But no serious person thinks that DeSantis wasn't retaliating against Disney for speaking out against Don't Say Gay.
The CEO did more than just criticize the actions, he threatened to take whatever actions he could to prevent the legislature from their duty to pass laws as they see their duty to their constituents.
That goes way beyond freedom of speech, as does any threat.
No it doesn't. Citizens have every right to petition and lobby legislators to not pass laws, especially laws as stupid as the one in question. Threatening to use your constitutional rights to engage in the democratic process is, I suppose, technically a threat, by some ludicrously wide definition of "threat", but it's a type of threat that is constitutionally protected and essential to healthy democracy.
Many older Lefties are still unaware of how the party has embraced controlled/completed speech and now works with big corporations. After all these are the same people who can watch a Biden Q&A with the press and look you in teh face afetr and without flinching tell you Biden is the smartest most aware president in history and they genuinely believe it. They literally perceive a very different reality from the rest of us normies. Anytime Trump was on the news it didn't matter what he was actually wearing, the Lefties (and Stage 3+ TDS victims) literally saw him wearing a Brown Nazi uniform.
And what do you call it when government and business work together, Charlie?
Gimme an 'F'.
Gimme an 'A'.
Gimme an 'S'.
etc
The DeSantis thing really has been interesting watching what happens to free speech when one party is in control. On the federal level, Dems are in control and want to suppress speech. In Florida, where Repubs are in control, they too want to suppress speech.
It’s almost like it has nothing to do with party, but about keeping power. Which goes to show why the 1A is so important.
No, Disney pushed a position that favors pedophiles, among other vile things. So DeSantis and the Florida legislature took away special considerations Dismey Corp. received. Not really the same as say, trying to destroy the natural oil and gas industry.
Democrats are just angry that republicans didn’t sit back like punching bags amd hit back. Which is something they better get used to.
But all you are doing is hand waving away the obvious simply because you like the results. It you were an environmentalist, you would love the results of eliminating the oil and gas industry and therefore would support restricting speech to accomplish that.
The idea is free speech is more important than governmental policy. You can’t have a standard of being able to limit free speech just because you (subjectively) don’t like what someone is saying. I mean, that’s literally why the 1A exists.
It baffles me that on a libertarian comments page there are so many who are making the same argument as you: speech can be restricted as long as it’s for the “right” reasons.
You've not cited one example of Florida government wanting to suppress Free Speech. If you are implying that what this articles author is saying about it then you're listening to someone who knows little about Constitutional Law. That said DeSantis and teh FL legislature have gone to far in the Free Speech area but not with Disney but with the recently signed legislation about anti-Semitism. In court DeSantsis will loose on that one because it is a violation of Free Speech but what is being done with Disney is not. Also just in case you try this pitch, restricting what books are available to kids in public schools isn't suppressing Free speech.
First, I know a significant amount of constitutional jurisprudence. Second, I'm not implying anything, this article is specifically about the actions taken against Disney and that it what I am responding to. No implication, direct discussion. Third, punishing a company for its speech is literally a violation of the 1A. If you think otherwise, you don't understand even the basics of 1A jurisprudence. And fourth, I didn't mention anything about "book banning" and don't believe book banning has occurred. But you brining that up shows me that you tend to make up facts and arguments in your head about what others believe rather than simply addressing the words on the page. Thus, your credibility is suspect because of it.
I hate to say it b/c I support what DeSantis ahs done but he did cross the line with regards to free speech violations with teh recent legislation on anti-Semitism; the one where he travelled to Israel and signed the law there. This Disney stuff is not a violation of Free Speech nor anything else but this 1 bill on anti-Semitism is and it's going to cost him some in the long run. if I were running against him I absolutely would use that against him to show that DeSantis supports some suppression of speech.
Actually, the actions taken against Disney were most likely violations of 1A.
You see this at the local level too. Even within Democrat supermajority California, San Francisco stands out as Bizarro World with 90% Democrat registration. Without any opposition the ruling classes get to do whatever they want, up to and including ignoring constitutional protections. People forget that Gavin Newsom was considered the "conservative reactionary" candidate in the mayoral election. You can see the other half in Bakersfield, which approaches 90% Republican. Held only in check by the state. It has its own Bizarro culture going on.
I find it amazing how quickly the obvious gets thrown out for tribal allegiance, or, maybe more precisely, for tribal hatred.
At the end of the day, no matter the political party, if a group of people have majority control, they will use that control. Period. It’s the reason that the 1A exists to begin with, as the Founders knew that no one or group could be trusted to protect speech.
I’m tired of seeing the same authoritarian behavior get justified over and over based on political allegiance or simply because the outcome was desired. There needs to be more reverence for long standing principles of societal structure like the 1A rather than desire for immediate, and usually, short term political wins.
Amen!
Di Santis was NOT trying to control the Disney business. Government were simply stepping up to take care of an issue that is, in fact, a government responsibility, that is to see to the general welfare and well being of the students in state schools, and letting them be taught as the wokies were wanting to teach them is NOT handling the Stte's responsibility for what is taught in government fuded education.
Disney as individuals nor corporation have any responsibility to deal with what is being taught in state schools, no more than any other entity.
Disney's "constitutional rights" do not include managing content of public education. NOT their bailiwick, and no one has elected or appointed them to do so.
As to the special tax area, my recollection is that was a sweet plum deal to help Walt, back when HE was actually RUNNING the whole show, manage the complexity and expense of an incredibly large and formidable development project. Now the corporation have been running along quite well for decades, that special perk and government largesse needed to go away because it was no longer apppropriate. I'm surprised the Disney corporation are on such a whinge about the termination of their special priviledge, unique to them and their situation, now welldevolved from the beginning days. WHY whould that busiess get such special treatment any more?
Disney’s “constitutional rights” do not include managing content of public education. NOT their bailiwick, and no one has elected or appointed them to do so.
Disney's constitution rights do include having and expressing an opinion, no matter how sick, on ANYTHING. Disney never attempted to take over schools just express an opinion.
Florida is well within their rights to remove Disney's special status, but when they do so in response to speech from Disney, it is problematic legally and should be a red flag for anyone close to libertarian beliefs.
I like DeSantis more than any other possible mainstream presidential candidate right now mainly because of his war against woke-ism, but I fear his authoritarian and anti-free speech tendencies. The government should neither impose nor ban woke-ism in private life or private corporations and especially in speech.
"If opposing government control of business and defending free expression is far left, count me in."
You're 2 decades too late for that. 20 years ago teh Democrat's party did a u-turn and decided to be the anti-free speech pro-corporate party.
This was opposing corporate control of government even over other individuals and corporations. Iger’s continued public statements that Disney was RCID, combined with the emails with development agreements and power transfers that originated in Disney legal and Disney “asked” RCID to rubberstamp at the 11th hour are both contra their own court filings both during the existence of RCID when applying for tax free bonds and when filing their court case post-RCID, are evidence of massive securities fraud to the tune of billions, and make any and all agreements RCID had void.
You're stupid.
About as intelligent as Mike and sarc. B.
Maybe they’re all from the same retarded litter.
Yet we’re still far more intelligent than you and your fellow travelers. You really are an insect among gods.
Eric Boehm seems to think the word ‘political’ is a pejorative, flinging it 15 or so times in this brief article. De Santis hasn’t merely got allies, he’s got ‘political allies.’ Sounds pretty nefarious and backroom. It’s amusing to hear him so vigorously defend the constitutional rights of corporations. I wonder how far he would go with that. The idea that the “hundreds of similar special improvement districts scattered across Florida” carry the same weight as Reedy Creek (which is more than half the size of the city of Miami) is also a joke.
Reason has no problem with political comments related to prosecutions. Only when they have to defend against a principle they used to have such as being against corporate favoritism and only when it is a GOP policy. They didn't even write articles about the political statements done to justify covid restrictions.
Why wouldn’t he defend the constitutional rights of other corporations?
Won’t someone think of poor woke corporations?
So, now it's okay to trample on constitutional rights as long as the person or entity is sufficiently disliked?
The comments on this article are really, really depressing from a freedom and liberty point of view.
I really can't believe how much modern politics has turned people away from foundational principles and turned them towards untethered political gamesmanship.
Maybe Disney Corp. shouldn’t be so pro pedophile.
. . . and of course, this is all 'politics' and has absolutely nothing to do with the sexual mutilation of children, which Boehn evidently defends.
Huh? The Disney dust-up was about the CEO speaking against a bill that prevented speech about homosexuality. Are you equating homosexuality with “gender-affirming” surgery for minors?
Both topics are quite relevant to the article and avoided. It seems all about 'politics' and nothing to do with children and sex, except for one reference to HB 1557. Let's be all constitutional, but use the prejudicial misnomer for the bill. That's pretty slimey. It misrepresents the bill painting Disney as the heroic defender of gay rights and De Santis as a homophobe.
Someone hasn't read the bill. It prevents discussion by school employees about sexuality with children outside any specific curricula at age-appropriate levels. What specific genital pairings are involved isn't relevant to the bill.
In other words, someone who calls it the 'Don't Say Gay bill' will not have read the bill.
If FL levied a surcharge on Disney tickets, this case wouldn't be interesting. But they didn't. They passed a law dissolving special districts over a certain age (not just RCID by the way), but the thing is retaliating against Disney by attacking the RCID might actually be constitutionally permissable because of the nature of the RCID and Disney's assertions related to the RCID for decades. Disney has been claiming for decades that RCID/Disney are separate and distinct. There was a purpose for this and that purpose was so that the RCID, which taxed non-Disney entities in the RCID as well, could issue tax exempt bonds for a 'wholly public purpose'
So FL retaliated by hitting Disney's strawman.
Judge: So let me get this straight, Mr. Iger, you are saying that FL didn't like your stand on the Don't Say Go bill and in retaliation dissolved the RCID?
Iger: Yes
Judge: But how does Disney have standing here? How did the dissolution of the RCID hurt Disney? Hasn't the RCID made assertions to bond purchasers purchasing tax exempt municipal bonds that Disney and the RCID were separate and distinct entities?
Iger: Yes, Disney and the RCID were separate and Disney treated with the RCID on an arm's length basis.
Judge: Well, then how is Disney harmed by the mere act, without any other action, of the state dissolving the RCID and replacing it with the CFTOD?
Iger: Well, even though we claimed we were treating with the RCID on an arm's length basis, fact is we were exerting undue influence on RCID and now that the CFTOD replaced the RCID that harms Disney because we can't do that anymore.
So, yes, Disney absolutely could prevail, no question, but the nature of the RCID is a potential Achilles' heal of their claim.
As we have seen elsewhere so many times, the process is the punishment.
Let Disney fight back. Florida has a very substantial budget surplus for any legal fight and numerous other tools they can wield against Disney (roads need repair and replacement, sewers are below code, fire systems need replacement, etc etc), any of which would adversely impact Disney's attendance.
This line of thought won't work. The RCID's board was chosen/divied up by the landowners within the district. Who owns the majority of land in the RCID?? Of course Disney does. So as the largest landowner in the district, they chose the majority of the RCID board. I don't live in Florida but I read somewhere that it might be close to 90% of the land so had 90% of the board seats. It has been that way since the beginning.
There are people who want this man for president precisely because he pursues petty vendettas.
Sarcasmic only approves of petty vendettas if they're his tribe's. That's why Alvin Bragg's 34 charges of 'wut?' against Trump have the Sarcasmic seal of approval.
And why all the Trump cases are legit per sarc. Same with J6. Doesn't even matter if the issue is from a libertarian stance like no special treatment. Orange and Oranges man bad.
I still want to hear why Reason thinks favored corporations is a good thing.
Corporations should neither be favored nor opposed; treat them equitably.
Disney's deal with Florida in the 1960s was pure Corporate Welfare. But it is not a unique beneficiary of such. Singling out one business for persecution because its leaders do things the government doesn't like that aren't illegal is pure fascism.
The law passed by the legislature didnt single out a single company but affected around a dozen and ended all corporate favoritism through these agreements.
It helps to learn the basic facts of the case before weighing in.
"affected around a dozen"
It didn't. The first version hit 6, but also put Florida on the hook for the costs of infrastructure in Reedy Creek. The one that actually passed hit Reedy Creek only.
This isn't opposition to corporate favoritism. That's been made abundantly clear by DeSantis himself and his various toadies in the legislature.
They didn't single Disney out you idiot. Thanks for proving you can't make a point without lying.
Yes, they did. And they brag about it.
Singling out one business for persecution
Except that they didn't and made the same rules applicable for everyone, but thanks for exposing yourself by showing us what you are.
Why do all the DeSantis apologists keep saying this. It's not like they aren't bragging about what they did
Not everyone loves pedos as much as you do.
Why do all the DeSantis apologists keep saying this.
Because it's true, Shrike, you disingenuous fuck. Can you otherwise explain to us what only applied to Disney and nobody else?
"The legislation would dissolve special districts that were created before November 1968 and have not been reapproved in state law. A state Constitution was ratified in November 1968.
A House staff analysis said the legislation would apply to five special districts: the Reedy Creek Improvement District, the Bradford County Development Authority, the Sunshine Water Control District in Broward County, the Eastpoint Water and Sewer District in Franklin County and the Hamilton County Development Authority.
The districts would be dissolved on June 1, 2023, though the proposal says they could be “reestablished.”"
So out of more than 1800 special districts in Florida, legislation was passed that impacted just five. And of those, four have reported that the government has indicated that they will be allowed to reestablish their districts under the same terms as before.
But you want us to believe Disney wasn't targeted by DeSantis.
When the Reedy Creek district made a development agreement with Disney, which was completely within their authority, another law was suddenly drafted (and signed) specifically targeting that agreement.
But you want us to believe Disney wasn't targeted by DeSantis.
It's not even something they're trying to hide. When someone says, "this is a really nice business you have here, it would be a shame if anything happened to it", they have to make sure everyone understands why bad things are suddenly happening. DeSantis and Florida Republicans have made it clear why bad things are happening.
But you want us to believe Disney wasn't targeted by DeSantis.
Either your brain is so feeble you struggle to keep from drooling into your soup or you are a champion-level sophist.
It's still targeted towards Disney. It is still pretty blatantly a case of political retribution.
Removing all of these special districts is legally the correct move regardless of the circumstances that spurred them to do so. I actually do agree that it's a bad look and precedent to take this political action. However, since politics doesn't exist in a vaccuum we have to acknowledge that far worse violations constantly run in the other direction (CIA, FBI, IRS attacks, CA government banning business and travel with NC, NCAA breaking contracts to punish businesses in NC for a law by their government, etc.)
It's interesting how Reason keeps whitewashing Disney's actions. Disney inserted itself into the political process and defamed politicians while lying about the law itself. This is before addressing the company's issues with pedophilia not being prosecuted.
If Disney wanted to continue wielding government power within their own space then it would have been smart to not interfere with the state. They made themselves a hostile political agent and really have no right to complain after they lost privileges from the entity they attacked.
Let's be real that the only reason this is news is because the right essentially never does things like this. The left has gotten used to unilateral warfare and are shocked to face a more legally justified backlash
Word.
It's like racism. It is news because it is so rare in 2023. So the race hustlers have to search far and wide, and make up stories, to propel their agenda. The media help by ignoring the hundreds of black people murdered every week and focusing on the rare incident of a white person killing a black. Because it is so rare and unexpected.
"I actually do agree that it’s a bad look and precedent to take this political action"
Government retribution against people and companies for criticizing them is ... a bad look? I sense some serious whataboutism coming!
"far worse violations constantly run in the other direction"
Aaaaand we're off!
"CIA, FBI, IRS attacks"
OK, we'll start with vague, generalized claims of "these are bad people".
"CA government banning business and travel with NC"
Ah, a somewhat relevant point. One state government chose to spend their money elsewhere rather than in a state they felt discriminated against California citizens.
So not targeted legislative punishment of free speech, but a boycott. Virtue signalling that disadvantages states they disagree with? A "bad look", but far better than what Florida did.
"NCAA breaking contracts to punish businesses in NC for a law by their government"
So an athletic organization (not a government) broke contracts based on theor belief that a law was discriminatory. If the contract didn't allow for the cancellation, NC should have sued the NCAA for breach of contract and use the proceeds to make the local businesses effected whole. Not a state government legislatively targeting free speech, but a close cousin.
"Disney inserted itself into the political process"
As they are permitted to, in America. There is nothing wrong with it. Companies have been doing it for over two centuries and spend billions for and against various laws every year, in addition to direct criticism.
This is not something that justifies governmental retribution.
"defamed politicians while lying about the law itself"
It did neither of those things, objectively speaking. Defamation is a crime and no politician even claimed they were defamed, so it was neither asserted nor adjudicated, never mind found to be valid in a court of law. And part of the law can literally be summarized as "don't say gay", so it isn't a lie, just an opinion.
For reference, calling a law by a nickname the government doesn't like is also not a justification for governmental retribution.
"This is before addressing the company’s issues with pedophilia not being prosecuted."
Disney has never been credibly accused of organized pedophilia. The Catholic Church, which has hundreds (if not thousands) more credibly accused, organizationally protected, legally defended, and aided-in-evasion pedophiles than Disney's zero, would probably be a better start point for prosecuting organizations for pedophilia.
But finding the first pedophilia case against Disney would be a necessary first step.
This is pure hyperbole, and a particularly disgusting version of it.
"If Disney wanted to continue wielding government power within their own space then it would have been smart to not interfere with the state."
Oh, you're abandoning your position from the beginning of your own post? It's not a bad look, it's to be expectred that the government will punish dissent and it's just fine?
"They made themselves a hostile political agent and really have no right to complain after they lost privileges from the entity they attacked."
They publicly criticized a proposed law. That means they disagree, not that they are "a hostile political agent". Publicly disagreeing with the government should never result in targeted retaliation. Period.
"Let’s be real that the only reason this is news is because the right essentially never does things like this."
Or, maybe, that the government punishing free speech is horrifying to Americans. Libertarians, with their deep skepticism of government, should be outraged.
"The left has gotten used to unilateral warfare and are shocked to face a more legally justified backlash"
Aaand we finish with doubling down on whataboutism and a completely unjustified declaration of being "legally justified".
Wow. What an irrational defense of statism and governmental retribution, with overt hostility to free speech and political criticism as the cherry on top.
He approves of the serious vendettas as well. He'll be around sucking Biden's ass again regarding the DOJ and the IRS.
Not because he pursues petty vendettas so much as people are tired of being told what to think by companies like Disney and are tired of being scolded and they like someone standing up for them. It's like the Bud Light controversy. Most people didn't like their choice of an influencer, but what really pissed them off was the video of the person who made the decision and her explanation of why she made the decision that really pissed them off.
I may not agree with De Santis on this, but I understand why people applaud it. Maybe instead of ridiculing them, try to understand them. Instead of writing them off, ask yourself how they got to this point. Instead of looking down your nose at them, attempt to gauge how things got to the point that people who have always defended the 1A are willing to turn a blind eye to these action?
I mean could it be the left weaponizing the 1A to get their way, while also ignoring it whenever it displeases them and getting away with it? Like the bake the cake the controversy, for example. Or students wearing bong hits for Jesus getting 1A protection while kids who were an NRA shirt to school get suspended? Could it be two decades of corporations forcing their views down American throats even when the audiences have tuned them out? Now it's beer, the NFL, NBA, MLB, a company supposedly dedicated to children's entertainment. It's jean companies and tennis shoe companies, it's in every film etc. The consumers have boycotted, have stopped going to the movies and spending their money, yet the companies keep lecturing us. Keep telling us how bad we are. We've asked them to stop. We've begged them to stop. We've boycotted them, we've stopped buying their products, yet the virus continues to expand into every aspect. Many people just feel completely powerless now. Defeated. So, yes when someone comes along and fights back, they cheer them on. People are voting for him because he did push back. He was wrong in how he pushed back (albeit reading about how Disney got approval for the Reedy development district, Disney committed fraud to do it, claiming it was going to be a housing development/community of the future, while private letters of Walt Disney make it clear he never planned it that way, just sold it that way), but people are focused on him pushing back. If you want to convince them otherwise, ridiculing them is most likely to backfire spectacularly (much like it does with Trump supporters). People are pissed. They're tired of being talked at, told what to think how to think. So yes, they like someone who stands up and pushes back.
Also, consider that the media grossly misrepresented conservatives for decades now, are you surprised they don't listen to the media on this, or believe them. Or that De Santis has down a lot more than just this fight with Disney, and they may not agree with him on that, but they like the other stuff better?
Also, consider that conservatives have seen the left get away with tactics like this for years, decades, and are tired of losing. Why not use their tactics against them? A lot on the right are coming to this conclusion. It's like how they have tuned out accusations of racism, no matter true or not, because if they can label Romney a racist, they will label anyone a racist. The right tried for years to be above the fight, and all they ever got for it was a punch in the teeth, and harassment. It's not surprising they're deciding to use the lefts own tactics to fight back. Maybe it's not the right decision but ridiculing them is a perfect example of why they don't care anymore.
The people who are deSantis base have never given a shit about the 1A unless it can be weaponized for their benefit. Maybe the 2A but not the 1A
Well thats bullshit. Good work jfree.
"The people who are deSantis base have never given a shit about the 1A"
JFree, who's spent the last six years here (particularly during the Covid hysteria) not giving a shit about the first amendment at best, and holding open hostility to it at worst, suddenly decides that it's a real problem amongst DeSantites.
You're not simply being hypocrites. Hypocrisy defines you.
Fucking useless jackass.
Well said.
People are pissed. They’re tired of being talked at, told what to think how to think. So yes, they like someone who stands up and pushes back.
This is what frightens the leftists. When people see guys like Desantis successfully pushing back, they will spine up and push back as well. The bully tactics vanish once the victims start punching the bully in the mouth.
That’s when the left uses the federal government to destroy you.
Poorly said.
What frightens the rightists is ... everything.
Act Blue is not sending their best.
They might just be sending their best and brightest with Ed, sad really.
"What frightens the rightists is … everything."
Ouch, I don't know how I'm going to recover from that stinging retort. Looks like Hank and Sqrlsy have some real competition.
???!!!
One of DeSantis’ primary passtimes is going around telling people how they are allowed to think.
How so, White Mike?
Do you have an example? Or maybe a... (tum-tum-taaah) citation?
People are pissed. They’re tired of being talked at, told what to think how to think. So yes, they like someone who stands up and pushes back.
The correct response is for people to stand up themselves, not to delegate action to the gubmint. You don't like a corporation going woke? Boycott their product, or short their stock. If people don't like what Iger said or Disney are doing, they shouldn't go to Disneyland, stop watching their films, cancel subscription to the Disney channel, etc. But if you're too lazy or reluctant to do this yourself and want some bigoted governor to act on your behalf, at best, you're a chickenshit.
Yeah, maybe people should March on the capitol or something.
That should work out fine.
If you do it like Martin Luther King, it works spectacularly. If you do it like the J6 mob, it doesn't.
Try to do it without smashing your way into the Capitol and things will go much better.
or at least do it without 60 govt spooks planted in the crowd to incite violence, amirite?
*eyeroll* Sure, they were just tourists.
*eyeroll* yeah.. the govt had operatives there on a mostly peaceful mission
*cough cough* ray epps *cough*
Damn. You are so credulous you probably believe in the Easter Bunny.
But most of all ignore the government grants, funding, and special privileges for these woke companies. Never complain. Shrike doesn't like it.
As I'm not shrike, what he does or doesn't like isn't relevant. But I note you don't actually address my point, probably because in another context, say, if it had been made by one of your cracker wingnut buddies about a Democratic governor trying the same bullshit, you'd approve of the sentiment.
I don't think that Disney should have been given these favours in the first place - but given that the state contracted accordingly, why then, the case is altered.
FWIW as a matter of economics, I wonder whether Disney's control over the area turned out to be cheaper and more efficient than Florida's would have been,
Most people don’t like pedos as much as you do freak.
I'm not shrike, you lying POS.
True, even shrike would be ashamed of that remark. And he was/is a fool.
"cracker wingnut"
You're only one "peanuts" away from every Shrike post ever.
Hardly accurate - and does the real shrike use the term "cracker"?
Still, at least you know that I'm not shrike, though you're too much of a chickenshit to point this out to the rest of the cracker crew.
Not because he pursues petty vendettas so much as people are tired of being told what to think...
Who tells you what to think? Are you mere clay that is molded by your entertainment choices? No? Then why do you act like everyone else is?
Do you purposely miss the point? Because at this point that is all I can assume. Or did you pick one line out of context to play gotcha? Because, your take is complete bullshit when read in context. Thank you for providing more evidence of how dishonest you are when you post.
"Do you purposely miss the point? Or did you pick one line out of context to play gotcha?"
He's not known as Reason's dumbest troll for nothing.
Are you mere clay that is molded by your entertainment choices?
This doesn't make sense, mere clay molded by its entertainment choices wouldn’t get annoyed by being told what to think.
@soldiermedic76
What Disney dared to do was challenge one of conservatism's most successful, dirty, and underhanded tactics: Lying and saying something harms children in order to justify censoring it. Conservatives have long acted like merely hearing homosexual relationships exist is harmful to children. Not just gay sex, mind you, but also people of the same sex falling in love, dating, etc. They have long treated discussion of even chaste homosexual relationships as something inappropriate for and harmful to children, even though that is stupid and makes no sense. They were furious that Disney dared to question their lies.
Remember this started in the first place with an attempt to write those bigoted falsehoods into law: Florida passed a law prohibiting any and all discussion of homosexuality for grade K-3, and then expanded it to all grade levels. The law's supporters kept lying and saying that it only covered explicit discussions of gay sex, but everyone could tell they were not only lying, but were sloppy liars. There is actual video footage of the one of the bill's authors rejecting a suggestion to make the bill's language clearer, because he wants it to be vague so it can be interpreted as widely as possible. Recently a teacher in Florida got in trouble under the law for showing a movie to her class that had gay characters, even though it was a PG rated movie and the characters in question had a chaste relationship.
I can understand why the right lost it when they suddenly got pushback. They've used the "think of the children" tactic for years with no pushback, it was probably shocking to suddenly have someone stand up to them. It reminds me strongly of how the Left suddenly freaked out and starting saying everything was "white supremacist" after people finally started giving them pushback when they called everything they didn't like "racist."
Lying and saying something harms children in order to justify censoring it.
THEY’RE CASTRATING CHILDREN, THEY’RE SLICING OFF CLITORISES AND BREASTS FOR FUCK’S SAKE.
These children will never be able to reproduce.
They’ll never be able to have enjoyable sex. In most cases these faked new “organs” will be at best numb, at worst incredibly painful.
Meanwhile, because puberty blockers are actual poison that stops your body developing, they can look forward to a lifetime of heart and organ failure.
Then there’s the massive doses of artificial hormones at twenty or thirty times normal levels, pushing developing brains towards madness.
This is the fucking truth of what is happening, and you’re lying about it because you’re an evil monster.
There is so much ignorance and untruth in that post that it might create its own gravity field from the weight of its bullshit.
Recently a teacher in Florida got in trouble under the law for showing a movie to her class that had gay characters, even though it was a PG rated movie and the characters in question had a chaste relationship.
Talk about sloppy lies. There is no such thing as PG-rated chaste gay relationship or a chaste straight relationship, it's an invisible pink unicorn. Invisible pink unicorns being what they are, a teacher in Florida decided to show a Disney movie rather than teach science or perform standardized testing according to protocol and got reprimanded for not doing her fucking job in accordance with her teaching contract.
You seem to think you *still* control the narrative when, since at least 2016, it should be painfully obvious that ~50% of the population isn't buying the bullshit you and Disney are shoveling. Every day, the more you open your mouth, more and more people recognize that you're a lying advocate of child molestation. Get a fucking clue.
"There is no such thing as PG-rated chaste gay relationship or a chaste straight relationship"
What, all romance is inherently sexual and can't be portrayed in a PG movie? How obsessed with sex are you?
"it should be painfully obvious that ~50% of the population isn’t buying the bullshit you and Disney are shoveling"
Not even 50% of self-identified conservatives believe the nonsense you moral panic idiots do. You hold the minority belief that even most conservatives think is a fever dream, but a politically useful one.
"more and more people recognize that you’re a lying advocate of child molestation"
Sure, that's what more and more people recognize. Not that the lunatic fringe of the conservative movement is collectively off their meds and probably dangerous to perfectly innocent people.
The fact that you think this pedophile snipe-hunt of the lunatic fringe has any traction in sane people's minds is proof that you will be screaming about stolen elections in November 2024 and not understand why people didn't overwhelmingly vote for candidates that espoused such insanity.
What it actually says:
3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age- appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.
Pretty god-damned vanilla.
At what age is sex ed normally taught? About 6th grade (12 yrs old). So prohibiting discussion at earlier ages is completely in line with national norms.
"Pretty god-damned vanilla"
If by "vanilla" you mean completely ignore the reality that gay people exist, sure.
"At what age is sex ed normally taught? "
Claiming that reading a book about a family with two dads is the same as sex ed is insane. Like the idea that any book that a single parent objects to should be reviewed. Or that a random parent knows as much about educating students as a highly-educated, highly-trained professional and should be considered equally knowledgeable.
"So prohibiting discussion at earlier ages is completely in line with national norms."
But discussing "sexual orientation or gender identity" isn't sex ed.
Sexual or gender identity can be easily discussed without ever discussing sexual activity. Claiming otherwise is a lie.
"Not because he pursues petty vendettas so much as people are tired of being told what to think by companies like Disney"
You're conflating government authoritarianism and corporate marketing. If you don't like what Disney says, don't buy their products. You don't have that option with government laws.
"It’s like the Bud Light controversy."
What, a micro-targeted marketing partnership makes hyper-sensitive transphobes lose their collective minds? If you don't like it, stop buying Bud. Don't pretend there's some sort of conspiracy against you by corporate America.
"Maybe instead of ridiculing them, try to understand them"
People who fight tooth and nail against change are pretty easy to understand. If culture is moving away from their worldview, increasing desperation leads to claims of immorality, criminality, nefarious plots, coersion by non-government entities, and fascism pursued by those who accept the new cultural norm.
"Instead of looking down your nose at them, attempt to gauge how things got to the point that people who have always defended the 1A are willing to turn a blind eye to these action?"
I would definitely push back hard on the idea that cultural conservatives have always defended the First Amendment. Free speech lets new ideas challenge old ideas. If you want things to remain the same, culturally, that is a bad thing.
"I mean could it be the left weaponizing the 1A to get their way"
How? Any examples to help me understand?
"Like the bake the cake the controversy, for example."
That isn't remotely a First Amendment issue. It's about nondiscrimonation law and claims of exceptional status by religious people.
"Or students wearing bong hits for Jesus getting 1A protection while kids who were an NRA shirt to school get suspended?"
Agreed. Neither should get suspended.
"Could it be two decades of corporations forcing their views down American throats even when the audiences have tuned them out?"
No one is forcing anything. If you don't like something, you can avoid it. Audiences haven't "tuned them out". They've obviously got a good idea of what their customers want, since they are still in business.
You seem to think that cultural ideas that you disagree with is the same as cultural ideas that most people disagree with. That doesn't seem to be the case.
"it’s in every film etc"
What is?
"We’ve boycotted them, we’ve stopped buying their products, yet the virus continues to expand into every aspect."
Companies look long-term. They look at net change over time. If a boycott is small or is large but has no staying power, they will take the business they have and ride it out.
Also, a "virus"? Really? Non-conservative cultural beliefs aren't a "virus".
"Many people just feel completely powerless now. Defeated."
That's what happens when most people don't agree with you. That doesn't justify govenment force.
"If you want to convince them otherwise"
DeSantis is using the power of government to punish those who speak out against his policies. Looking at that and saying, "Yeah, that's OK with me because he's doing what I like", is not how a free society behaves. They have abandoned American principles in favor of will-to-power politics.
"So yes, they like someone who stands up and pushes back."
By whatever means necessary? Your preferred outcome justifies anything?
"The right tried for years to be above the fight, and all they ever got for it was a punch in the teeth, and harassment."
Really? Intentionally provocative culture warriors like Karl Rove were "above the fight"? Conservatives have never been "above the fight" and since the Moral Majority under Reagan, the moral-superiority tropes from the right have been ceaseless. You aren't better or more moral than anyone else. You are just as small-minded and venal as everyone else.
"It’s not surprising they’re deciding to use the lefts own tactics to fight back."
Can you give an example of where a conservative corporate officer spoke out against a Democratic law and had their company specifically targeted for retribution by the Democratic governor?
This isn't normal. It isn't just backing your "team". This is betraying American values and encouraging governmental retaliation against their critics.
It's wrong, and the fact that cultural conservatives can't say "This is wrong. I will find a candidate that supports my beliefs without the authoritarianism." says a great deal about the cultural conservatives of today. You should be disgusted by it, not cheering for it.
"Maybe it’s not the right decision but ridiculing them is a perfect example of why they don’t care anymore."
American culture is moving forward, so let's burn it to the ground. If we can't have it, no one can. Mess with me and see what happens.
What are you people, family annihilators on a national scale? If you aren't winning you'll betray any principle to get back on top?
Cool story bro. Now do Biden.
Biden isn't a very good President. He's better than Trump and much better than DeSantis would be, but that doesn't make him good.
We really need to stop electing seventy-somethings. Or worse. Unfortunately the parties retain a lot of power and seniority means funding.
Ranked-choice voting and reducing ballot-access requirements to something like 1000 signatures would go a long way to breaking that duopoly.
Agree. I don't like the political retribution, but we are far past it being normalized (albeit from the other side.) I also don't like how Disney's actions are being written off as simple speech.
I think that while conservatives might applaud this move that most also hate engaging in that sort of warfare. Tactically, I think it's necessary because there is an extreme lack of balance in the use of force. If the left keeps stabbing the right and the right only responds by filing restraining orders, then the aggression needs to be ended through a different means. Reason is complaining about the right engaging in a lesser use of force against an aggressor. Unfortunately, their opposition only believes in the exercise of power for its own sake, so a stronger response is necessary
“Or students wearing bong hits for Jesus getting 1A protection”
Huh? The students who were disciplined by the school for displaying “Bong Hits for Jesus” _off-campus_ lost in court.
There are commenters here that everyone hates that like to threaten violence and then puss out, so why don’t you slither back under your rock?
But the rights of private entities—individuals, corporations, whatever—are fundamental to a well-functioning society.
I’ll try to keep that in mind the next time I hear about bakers, photographers and caterers being destroyed for not wanting to associate with same sex weddings or progressive suing nunneries to force them to offer free abortions to their secular employees. The last thing the left wants is a well-functioning society.
"That's different because shut up".
0:28 (sec)
So you think that landlords should have a right to refuse to rent to Blacks or Jews? And restaurants and hotels to refuse to serve them?
Abolishing Jim Crow violated peoples' "rights"!!!!
So then you shouldn’t mind the government stepping in to protect us from having to pass political loyalty tests in order to keep our jobs.
He can’t answer you honestly.
Yes. To all of those.
Next questions?
a) Who here at this libertarian site is advocating telling bakers they have to make a gay wedding cake?
b) What baker has been “destroyed” by being involved in such a controversy?
Kill youself you lying faggot!
Don’t you ever tire of lying?
Mike's an athlete when it comes to fibbing.
Construction workers and food service workers are leaving jobs en masse in Florida because of Da Meatball's new anti-migrant bill - driving up labor costs thus food and housing prices.
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/05/15/desantis-immigration-bill-reportedly-now-effecting-florida-construction-industry/
Biden's fault, of course.
“Videos circulating on social media show several construction sites in Florida abandoned by immigrant workers allegedly because of the state’s new immigration law signed by Governor Ron DeSantis last week.”
Lol. Okay. And I saw some videos circulating on social media showing occupied construction sites. That’s some hard proof Pluggo.
Always read Shrike links. He never does, and they’re usually sophistry and almost always self refuting.
What's the odds that people picked up at Home Depot for labor are paid under the table and avoid taxes.
He’ll be along with more crap in a minute.
One thing about you wingnuts - whatever you believe the opposite is true.
Pot meet Kettle.
Well I believe that:
-the world is round
-racism is wrong
-the holocaust happened
-the moon landing was real
-Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself
Are you saying all these positions are wrong?
I guarantee you Shrike disagrees with four, and as long as the racism is the soft bigotry of paternalism and lower expectations, he's five for five.
https://reason.com/2022/09/27/for-florida-gov-ron-desantis-political-stunts-are-more-important-than-substance/ and
https://reason.com/2022/09/21/are-ron-desantis-migrant-flights-legal/
Ass POTUS, DeSatan will be forcing USA taxpayers to trick and ferry billions upon brazilians of sub-Brazilians from Brazil to Botswana, and to deport illegal sub-Martians from Mars to Uranus! Ass long ass the illegal Martians SUFFER-SUFFER-SUFFER, red-meat-hungry socons and troglodytes will be DELIGHTED to spend those extra tax dollars! Butt I for one think that illegal Martians are intelligent beings, too, and hope that they will NOT suffer on Uranus, from too many foul odors, etc.!
DeSatan… SPEAKS to me! Get Thee behind me, DeSatan!
Scienfoology Song… GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers
DeSatan loves me, This I know,
For DeSatan tells me so,
Little ones to GAWD belong,
We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan loves me, yes indeed,
Makes the illegal sub-humans bleed,
Protects me for geeks and freaks,
I LOVE to pay taxes, till my wallet squeaks!
PUNISH Disney, I’ll PAY for their pains,
Ass long ass DeSatan Blesses our gains!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan expels the low-lifes to Venus,
Moves them ANYWHERE, with His Penis!
His Penis throbs with His Righteousness,
Take no heed, He says, of His Frighteousness!
ALL must be PUNISHED, they say!
So never, EVER be or say gay!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
Our USA taxes must PAY The Way, He may say,
To EXPORT the illegal Mars aliens, every day!
To Pluto, Jupiter, or Uranus, they must ALL go!
Oh, the places that the low-lifes will go, you must know!
The taxes we shall pay? Through the money, we must BLOW!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
(If we did NOT do-doo, doo-doo-doo, ALL of this, then that them thar illegal Mars aliens WILL show up on OUR doors, in the formerly pure USA!!! We MUST keep them AWAY, far away, out in the Deep Dark Yonder!)
#MeInTheAss’CauseI’maGullibleLowBrowBlowHardConTard
#BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong
Remember the spamflag, folks.
^nuts
"Always read Shrike links."
That seems dangerous considering what the original account was terminated for.
Fair enough.
Always read Shrike links except for his (dot)onion ones. Wait a few minutes for Reason to nuke the thread.
Feed at the government trough and you get heartburn. Disney wanted to get political and go after DeSantis.
They could have stayed apolitical and still managed their kingdom.
Wrong. All they did was disagree with DeFascist. All the other companies which are "getting political" but agreeing with him aren't being touched.
Cite?
Which companies are those again? How many companies came out and publicly supported the bill? Can you list them?
DeSatan tis of Thee,
Sweet Man of tyranny!
From every mountainside,
You can smell Him for free!
DeLand where de eagles glide!
DeLand where de illegals hide!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I sing,
To the liberals, tears You bring!
You make the proggies cry!
Talk with THEM?! Don’t even try!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I praise!
For the woke, Holy Hell You raise!
Illegal Martians? Low-life scum, You catch and send,
To Uranus with them! Ignore tax dollars You spend!
We must punish ALL, who to USA might sail,
At ALL costs, DeSatanism MUST prevail!
#MeInTheAss’CauseI’maGullibleLowBrowBlowHardConTard
#BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong
"Wrong."
Yes you are. Disney (specifically the CEO Bob Chapek) said they (the Walt Disney corporation) were going to get the law overturned. That's different than disagreement in opinion.
@Pear Satirical
By "going to get the law overturned" what they probably meant is support efforts to challenge the law in court. That is something that they are totally entitled to do. Challenging laws in court is every American's fundamental right. Punishing them for exercising those rights is unconstitutional.
Here's the full statement, make of it what you will:
“Florida’s HB 1557, also known as the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill, should never have passed and should never have been signed into law. Our goal as a company is for this law to be repealed by the legislature or struck down in the courts, and we remain committed to supporting the national and state organizations working to achieve that. We are dedicated to standing up for the rights and safety of LGBTQ+ members of the Disney family, as well as the LGBTQ+ community in Florida and across the country.”
Also, no it is not "something they are totally entitled to do". They owe it to their shareholders to turn a profit and to their employees to treat them all equally. If they want to set fire to piles of their own personal money to overturn a law, they can do that. But whimsically allocating corporate dollars to political advocacy is only something they're *totally* *entitled* to do if you're an utter retard suffering from TDS. There was a time when this was actually the left's principled stance. Apparently, rather passively expecting corporations to take care of their customers, employees, and shareholders wasn't fascist enough for them.
It's the typical left-tard celebratory parallax. When Brendan Eich or James Damore spend their own time or money the way they see fit and a corporation punishes them, corporations are good for acting as extensions of the state. When the Trump family has money tied up in LLCs, well those evil corporations are just how donors hide money and his payment to his lawyer is an evil campaign contribution. When the Clinton Foundation and Biden's have tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars in foreign donations that are both circumstantially and non-circumstantially by their own testimony providing pay-to-play influence peddling, well those LLCs and foundations are just harmless businesses that every VP or SOS sets up when they're VP/SOS, stops when they stops being VP/SOS, and brag about the quid-pro-quo afterwards.
Was this to me or Ghatanathoah?
In agreement with you in refutation of him.
Disney can't just completely fabricate a narrative about what a law does and sue based on that narrative all they like.
Thank you
In a just world, that statement alone without any walkback would have made any shareholder lawsuits about breach of fiduciary duty valid.
Ok groomer
US weekly natgas rig count falls by most since 2016 -Baker Hughes
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-oil-gas-rig-count-falls-lowest-since-june-2022-baker-hughes-2023-05-12/
OMG. Oil/Gas production at all time high. So much they are cutting rigs to bolster low prices (down 80%).
This Biden guy is a fucking oil and gas beast!
WE'RE DROWNING IN GODDAMN GAS BOYS!
Despite some plans to lower rig counts, U.S. crude production was still on track to rise from 11.9 million barrels per day (bpd) in 2022 to a new record high of 12.5 million bpd in 2023 and 12.7 million bpd in 2024
The horror. the horror.....
Goddamn. Do you never stop lying, you fuking liar?
"The oil and gas rig count, an early indicator of future output, fell by 17 to 731 "
When Biden took offect, the number was 374.
So much for the lie that Biden has tried to destroy the fossil fuel industry.
So of course the MAGA people will now complain about LOWER prices.
Hey shrike finally found someone dumb enough to use the covid baseline instead of the pre covid baseline.
And can you show these lower prices?
See the downward trends everywhere but green?
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50918
And more.
While the Department of Interior is being forced by court order to hold a lease sale this quarter, it increased fees by 50% and decreased the amount of available acreage for drilling by 80%—even as it cuts fees and red tape for renewable “green” energy production.
.
Timelines to approve permits to drill on already leased land ballooned from the Trump administration’s best average of 108 days in 2019 to 182 days under the Biden administration, and scores of permits are now being held up by litigation initiated by extreme environmental groups allied with the White House.
https://www.heritage.org/energy-economics/commentary/bidens-radical-anti-fossil-fuel-energy-policy-costs-americans-dearly
The oil and gas industry doesn't want to drill on federal land. It wan't to drill in West Texas and North Dakota, neither of which has any significant amount of federal land. These lease sales are a joke, as most of them expire with no drilling being done -- thousands of leases where the oil industry has determined that the insistence that the government manipulate the fossil fuel market to result in low prices means that they can never recoup the investment in the expensive exploration. We only get cheap oil by importing it.
The MAGA folks don't understand this. They understand little else, either.
(The progressives don't understand the energy industry either, as their policies are just as bad, but Biden is pretending to follow them while actually throwing them under the bus.)
Is everything you say pure retard?
There are roughly 800,000 acres of federal land in Texas,
And here is ND
https://www.worldofmaps.net/en/north-america/maps-of-north-dakota-usa/map-of-north-dakota-map-federal-lands-and-indian-reservations.htm
And they would drill on federal land if fees and permit delays weren't holding then up retard. Same with off shore. The rig counts cited by shrike above are private land drilling because of the federal land use issues caused by Biden. It is literally part of what I posted above.
One of the reasons federal land expenses is rising is due to Open Societies and Soros as he buttresses profits from the private lands he has bought for energy. It is a shell game to make dem donors rich.
You are literally beyond ignorant. Everything you know is wrong.
"Extreme" environmental groups? You mean the ones that want to breath clean air, drink unpolluted water, and live on non-contaminated ground? Wow, that is soooo extreme!
Low cost energy has raised more out-of poverty than any other industry. Yes. The left wants people to eat bugs, not travel, and lower quality of life. They are evil.
I don’t know why we bother to debate their lies with them. The correct action is to just get rid of them. I see no workable version of the future where their presence can be tolerated.
It’s time for them all to go. Voluntarily, or not.
You mean to say Reuters is dumb?
They said "new record high", not post-COVID high, you idiot.
Reuters is a leftist pile of shit. Like you.
If you believe anything he says you’re retarded.
3.60 isn't lower than the 2.50 I was paying that's a weird last statement.
It's always entertaining when you all on the left try to claim that you're both for fossil fuel expansion and use while also claiming you're against fossil fuels and want to ban all drilling.
Maybe if you all actually figured out that having your cake and eating it too is not a thing you'd be more believable when you explain your policy positions.
Given the choice between thinking DeSantis understands the situation, or that Boehm does, I know where my money is. Especially since Boehm claims this was the only special district affected by the bill that chopped on the order of a dozen of them. Implying Boehm is talking out his ass, again.
Boehm has ignored the dozen others that lost their privileges consistently or that Florida has been slowly unwinding these special districts for a decade, usually when the agreements come up for renewal. Disney was aware their special districts was being reconsidered but felt they were to big to lose it. So they got in a public tryst with Florida. Yeah, De Santis has said some really stupid shit about this, really playing the culture warrior schtick, but Florida has also been trying to end these special districts or at least renegotiate them for some time. There is definitely another part of this story that isn't being told, largely because it doesn't play into the narrative. And some of that is De Santis's fault because he's also made this a culture war thing. If he had just stated 'Disney was one of a dozen companies that lost their special district status, something Florida has been working to end for a decade' and left it at that he's still get accused of it being political. Even if he didn't do it this year, but waited till next year and ended a hundred, he'd still get accused of singling out Disney. That doesn't mean he should make it easy for them.
But I also understand the impulse.
I also can't help but wonder if that isn't why Disney waved the red flag to begin with. Because Florida has been considering this for some time before the current kerfuffle, that Disney was warned several years ago that they might lose their special district, so now they can scream about being attacked politically. I have to agree with Theil that the Democrats are the evil party and the Republicans the stupid party (at least at times).
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Eric Boehm voted, and campaigned, for a man who committed the greatest abuse of government power in US history to become president vs the victim of that abuse.
I think singling them out for special treatment would be a 1A problem. Singling them out for no special treatment doesn’t really pass the discrimination test
DeSantis has singled them out for special negative treatment. Clear 1A violation and probably a Contracts Clause violation.
What negative treatment?
Not getting special priveleges.
How many other corporations in FL have their own government?
Maybe you ignorant troglodytes could try READING THE FUCKING ARTICLE!
From the article...
"But there are hundreds of similar special improvement districts scattered across Florida. Only one of them is under attack by DeSantis—and it's no coincidence that it is the district run by a corporation that's engaged in a political spat with the governor."
I doubt that any of those other special improvements districts give a for-profit corporation the same privileges on as wide a scale. Prove me wrong if you can.
Wait a minute, did I just ask the Squirrely One to provide documentation?
None. At least none unless Disney was committing billions of dollars in securities fraud.
No. You’re just angry because he isn’t putting up with their shit. Get used to it.
Corporate welfare is nowhere to be found in the Bill of Rights.
True. The "corporation is a person" nonsense would have shocked Alexander Hamilton (the biggest advocate of corporations among the Founding Fathers) and James Madison (who wrote the First Amendment). It is the product of activist judges from the late 19th century.
Tell me you know nothing about Citizens United without telling me you know nothing about Citizens United.
It is the product of activist judges from the late 19th century.
He is referring to a famous railroad case from the 1870s. Nothing to do with Citizens United, dumbass.
You’re a child raping faggot who worships a neo Marxist international criminal. Die.
To be fair he knows nothing about anything based on his posting.
To be fair, JesseBahnFuhrer knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, according to its posts!
What a load of Cr@p.
Where was the outrage while Obama Bin Ladin used every means at his disposal to attack the fire arms companies and news media that did not give him enough praise for his golf score.
I thought this was a Libertarian site not another progressive hack site.
Far too many who claim to be Libertarian are just progressives trying to take over the group, just like they try to with every perceived power structure.
I believe you just made a two wrongs make a right argument. Not very logical, man.
The barriers preventing the intrusion of politics into anything and everything were breached a very long time ago and the trend has not abated but accelerated over time. One example of this blurring of lines was the creation of the special district exemption for Disney (and many other “private” businesses in Florida) several decades ago in the first place. Whatever the practical justification for creating quasi-governmental districts for private corporations might be, Disney is not even remotely just a private activity. I would like to totally eliminate public, tax-funded school districts and allow parents to try to educate their children as they see fit. But if we’re going to force all taxpayers to subsidize the education of someone else’s children, the public schools should stick to basic education and leave the socialization and propagandization of children to the parents and stop pushing controversial social agendas.
Ironially the special district was set up in agreements with Disney to create a town utilizing new technologies and building a city of the future for residents to live in. After seeing the costs they decided not to, violating their actual agreement when discussing the special district.
Hope DeSantis loses this one. Not that I like Disney but whatever their views are they have a right to them and to petition the government.
Still I'd vote for him today over anyone else who is a potential contender.
They’re welfare whores.
Why does Disney deserve extra priveleges?
There’s too much of a lefty-narrated spin for me to curse DeSantis much on this. I’d imagine in the very beginning when the State allowed self-governance they didn’t purposely include permission to teach all children that poking each other in the butt-hole with their penis was something to be proud of.
Oh wait; Yeah that is pretty much DeSantis pure retribution now isn’t it. i.e. “Your not going to self-govern if your going to teach children to embrace mentally illness.” Which UN-surprisingly is the very cornerstone to the entire debate when DeSantis (the state) directed State-Education NOT to be teaching butt-sex pride.
But of course the left will do hippidy-hoops over narrating as State-Education direction or cancelling self-governance due to butt-sex pride. Oh no; they’re draw this completely BS narrative that teaching children butt-sex pride is American Freedom of Speech.
And of course this has nothing to do with *their* kids. It’s everyone else’s kids they want to indoctrinate with butt-sex pride. And that is 100% confirmed by their insistence on Commie-Education.
The special district was because Walt's vision for Epcot was a real city. Sadly, that never came to pass.
Yeap. They violated the agreement for the district privileges in under 2 years.
Nopppppeeeee! The special district was created by legislation and abolished the same way. Expecting all businesses in the state to play by the same rules is not a far fetched idea. Tough on Disney for having to pay taxes like the little guys
I think both the author and many of the comments here are misplaced. I don't see it as any sort of free speech issue. If you say to your boss "you know I've always thought you were a bungling incompetent fool" that is constitutionally protected free speech. But if you find yourself pounding the pavement w/an updated resume you shouldn't be surprised. If a country or rock music star at a concert looks at the audience and says "you know I've always thought my fans were pretty pathetic people who should really get a life" that is constitutionally protected free speech. But if his/her understandably shocked fans say "hey screw this A-hole, I'm never buying his/her music again or wasting my money on a concert ticket" that wouldn't be surprising would it? Exercising your free speech rights doesn't mean there wont be consequences. Just ask J.K. Rowling or any celebrity who questions the transgender nonsense. And it was Disney that started this by injecting their corporate brand into a purely political issue that had nothing to do w/their business operations. Although indeed Disney has increasingly operated from a far Left woke prism in their products. And the result? Well just ask any Disney shareholder. Nobody including DeSantis is trying to muzzle Disney. Only showing them that one of Newton's Laws of Motion can apply in politics and business as well.
"If you say to your boss"
You think the government is the boss if businesses? That's disturbing.
"Exercising your free speech rights doesn’t mean there wont be consequences."
Unless you refuse to call a trans person by the name and gender they ask you to. Then your free speech rights are being violated when you get fired for creating a hostile workplace.
"And it was Disney that started this by injecting their corporate brand into a purely political issue that had nothing to do w/their business operations."
So the corporate version of "shut up and dribble"? Companies and their officers aren't allowed to express opinions on public issues? And if they do they're "starting" things?
"And the result? Well just ask any Disney shareholder."
That would be me. It's made me a shitton of money. Great stock, and pays a dividend to boot.
"Only showing them that one of Newton’s Laws of Motion can apply in politics and business as well."
And so government retribution is OK because you can make an analogy to Newton? Your principles and ideals are clearly rock solid.
Disney got an agreement originally because Walt was going to build a city, specifically the Experimental Prototype City of Tomorrow or Epcot. After his death, the corporate board built an Amusement park and two cul-de-sacs of trailers that they call cities. They special district has issued municipal bonds. The bonds are public not private. Disney had there inside counsel certify the public bonds. The district is supposed to be run by a board eected by citizens. The only people allowed in either of the fake trailer park cities are Disney employees. The district has about 20 residents. If they don't want to live there, the property goes back to Disney and they install new residents. Some of these residents make up the public district's board. The board is supposed to make all decisions for roads, signs, development. Like a normal small government. The board that is installed by Disney doesn't even pretend that they make the decisions. Any dealings with the board were referred to Disney's lawyer by the district's board. Disney's speech may have instigated the Florida legislature reforming the district; DeSantis only signed the law. This was not an executive action. But the political speech only gave Florida the political capitol to take an action that is in the scope of the Florida Legislature. This article is why I rarely read anything from Reason anymore. The article is just a regurgitation of Disney talking points that were emailed to reporters. And the takings clause violation is bunk. It refers to Florida voiding a contract that was found to be invalid anyway. The Distict under Disney's guidance failed to follow the correct procedure for it's approval.
(a ban that has more recently been expanded to include all public schools in Florida)
Holy Shit! You guys really are going all out to debase yourselves and disinform/insult your readers aren’t you?
Ronnie D: This bill forbids the teaching of all sex and sexual oriented material in K-3 programs and all non-pertinent education programs, without parent consent, at all schools subject to FSBOE certification.
Retards Magazine: You’re banning the word “Gay” from all schools!
People with eyes: The bill forbids the teaching of all sex and sexual oriented material in K-3 programs and all non-pertinent education programs, without parent consent, at all schools subject to FSBOE certification. The word “gay” appears nowhere if it is “banned” anywhere, it’s in K-3 classes.
FSBOE: This bill forbids the teaching of all sex and sexual oriented material in K-3 programs and all non-pertinent education programs, without parent consent, at all schools subject to our certification.
Retards Magazine: You expanded the bill! You said it would only apply to K-3.
People with eyes: The bill forbids the teaching of all sex and sexual oriented material in K-3 programs and all non-pertinent education programs, without parent consent, at all schools subject to FSBOE certification. You obviously, and seemingly deliberately, didn't understand the first time. This time it really just starts looking really, really stupid or really, really malicious.
Even by your own source:
The board decided that all sexual instruction by staff that is not classroom/lesson specific and performed with parents’ consent is inappropriate in public schools, per the original letter of the law that you consistently fail to read and deliberately misinform your readers about. It’s a decision that only a fascist actively seeking to use State employees outside their specific job roles in order to brainwash kids would actively seek to countermand. But, I guess if you’re advocating for pedophilia, utterly and principally debasing yourself is a given, so may as well go full retard.
What do you want, dude?
OrangeFlorida Man Bad! Must stoke DeSantis Derangement Syndrome, early and often, lest their favored progressives look bad in comparison.This is why OBL is now just Sandra. The whole pearl clutching joke she told about “Desantis literally made it illegal to say gay in Florida!” is kind of into Poe’s law territory anymore because you have to tear down Desantis.
And also the comment:
dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay” bill by the media—
Is great. Totes blame it on “the media” like, A, Reason’s writers didn’t repeat it every time they mentioned DS and, second, it was “the media” who made that up, not Democrats and progressive activists who knew they could put out a talking points memo and get the compliant press to just repeat that phrase for them.
This was my point about “expanded”. They’re doubling down on the false narrative. The bill wasn’t expanded, it was applied to exactly what it said it was going to apply to. It was only expanded from the false narrative Reason originally tried to push.
Now, every time Reason/Boehm uses the word “expanded”, I have to ask myself, “Does actually mean ‘expanded’ or does he mean ‘Used as intended just not in the way he wishes’?”
"This bill forbids the teaching of all sex and sexual oriented material in K-3 programs and all non-pertinent education programs, without parent consent, at all schools subject to FSBOE certification."
No, it didn't "[forbid] the teaching of all sex and sexual oriented material". It forbids "instruction ... on sexual orientation or gender identity" (that's from the law). Reading a story with two dads in it isn't sexual.
"The word “gay” appears nowhere"
Thinking "sexual orientation" isn't the same as "gay" shows a mind-boggling lack of intelligence.
"This bill forbids the teaching of all sex and sexual oriented material in K-3 programs and all non-pertinent education programs, without parent consent, at all schools subject to FSBOE certification."
You keep saying this, and yet that's not what the bill says. Apparently you're illiterate.
"The board decided that all sexual instruction by staff"
Discussing sexual orientation and gender identity isn't "sexual instruction", so you're starting out completely wrong.
"that is not classroom/lesson specific and performed with parents’ consent is inappropriate in public schools,"
Teachers don't have to proactively get parental approval for everything they teach. Yet. But idiots will probably require that next.
"per the original letter of the law that you consistently fail to read and deliberately misinform your readers about"
What you said is the "original letter of the law" is literally not the text of the law. That means you "consistently fail to read" the law.
This is one of the most insane own-goals I've ever read here.
Attackeing someone for not reading the law while completely making up the text of the law?
*finger kiss* Priceless!
Reason - you are all-day, no soul, no REASON, axxholes.
This article is bullshit paid for by disney. I hope Florida puts them out of business there. That property can be used for other things that will produce much more tax revenue.
I have to love the talk about how it's awful for corporate interests to inject themselves into political affairs and then using the First Amendment as a cloaking device. Didn't seem so awful to the right when Citizens United happened, and that was fairly recently, folks. Republicans loved that because it meant the Koch brothers could spend as much as they wanted so as to elect/buy as many politicians as possible.
Just out of curiosity I'd like to ask why so many folks seem to loathe Reason.com so fiercely and yet still keep turning up here. If you don't find these writers interesting and informative, why are you wasting your time here?
…because it’s the only place left one doesn’t get censored for using curse words like US Constitution and Patriots. No joking. Plus it wasn't until recently Reason got really retarded. John Stossel use to be one of the team not an outlier.
Citizens United was government trying to control when 'misinformation' (e.g. a film about Hillary Clinton) could be published or viewed by the public, and also restricted people or corporations from funding such a film.
Florida has not censored Disney, before during or after their tax haven status was in effect. All 1st Amendment rights Disney had the day it incorporated, are still in effect today. Thanks to Citizen United, Disney can make all the films it wants about Joe Biden and his merry band of Groomers, and there isn't anything DeSantis or anyone else, can do to stop them.
Reedy Creek was a political set aside in which Disney got special privileges from the government of the state of Florida in exchange for the benefits Disney could bring to the people and state of Florida.
When Disney reneges on their part in the arrangement OF COURSE a political solution is used.
What part of this is so hard for people?
> Saying so isn't corporatism, it's constitutionalism—something that used to matter to leading conservatives.
Conservatives in this country are no longer conservative.
Judge: So let me get this straight, Mr. Iger, you are saying that FL didn't like your stand on the Don't Say Go bill and in retaliation dissolved the RCID?
Iger: Yes
Judge: But how does Disney have standing here? How did the dissolution of the RCID hurt Disney? Hasn't the RCID made assertions to bond purchasers purchasing tax exempt municipal bonds that Disney and the RCID were separate and distinct entities?
Iger: Yes, Disney and the RCID were separate and Disney treated with the RCID on an arm's length basis.
Judge: Well, then how is Disney harmed by the mere act, without any other action, of the state dissolving the RCID and replacing it with the CFTOD?
Iger: Well, even though we claimed we were treating with the RCID on an arm's length basis, fact is we were exerting undue influence on RCID and now that the CFTOD replaced the RCID that harms Disney because we can't do that anymore.
So, yes, Disney absolutely could prevail, no question, but the nature of the RCID is a potential Achilles' heal of their claim.
Is this an actual record of Iger's testimony? Link? Pretty damning of Disney's position IMHO.
The court filings state that Disney and RCID are separate entities because legally they purportedly were. The problems with this position is that all the powers transferred at the last minute from RCID to Disney originated from within Disney legal and were emailed to the RCID counsel asking them to put their name on it explicitly because otherwise it would be legally invalid, which was done with no changes to the document and that Iger has made multiple public statements, including during an investor call, that RCID was Disney.
OF COURSE it's political retribution - Disney launched a POLITICAL ATTACK.
And Disney has no (First-, or any-) Amendment right to special contracts with state or county governments. Nobody is criminalizing any speech.
They use David French to argue this is a 1st Amendment case so the odds off him making sense are 10,000 to 1. It's not such a case. French (as usual) totally misreads the supporting case law.
'...Government officials may indeed terminate at will relationships, unmodified by any legal constraints, without cause; but it does not follow that this discretion can be exercised to IMPOSE conditions on expressing, or not expressing, specific political views, see Perry v. Sindermann, 408 U. S., at 597. ..
The State of Florida has imposed NO conditions on Disney expressing or not expressing specific political views, before, during or after their 'tax haven' status.
As Scalia says in a scorching dissent about Government exercising it's power, and favoring this one over that one, '... Hooray! Favoritism such as this happens all the time in American political life, and no one has ever thought that it violated-of all things-the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States....The Court must be living in another world. Day by day, case by case, it is busy designing a Constitution for a country I do not recognize. Depending upon which of today's cases one chooses to consider authoritative, it has either (O'Hare) thrown out vast numbers of practices that are routine in American political life in order to get rid of a few bad apples; or (Umbehr) with the same purpose in mind subjected those routine practices to endless, uncertain, case-by-case, balance-all-the-factors-and-who-knows-who-will-win litigation....I dissent...'
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So what?
Here comes unreason beginning to justify their inevitable vote for Xiden or whomever the establishment nominates in 2024. How's that going for you so far Eric?
Damn Eric, never have I read such drivel. If I pay you $10/day to keep your mouth shut, and you agree to these conditions, but then you open your your mouth and spout crap such as this, so I stop paying you $10/day, in no way whatsoever was your First Amendment rights violated. If this is the sort of illogic that is spewing from the Libertarian party these days, count me out. This is shear stupidity.
So, I don't see any proof of DeSantis specifically saying that his only motivation was Disney speech. I watched Disney talk about his motivations for Disney World and, especially, EPCOT, on local TV in Orlando. That was never built. The Reedy Creek Improvement District is a special taxing district set up for specific purposes. There are many of these in Florida and they all provide a specific public purpose. The purpose of the RCID was NOT set up to provide Disney with big profits. Disney failed to implement the original purpose of EPCOT as a research and development project for advanced city planning. Disney made the mistake of drawing special attention to itself. The legislature and DeSantis noticed and could just as likely have to realized this. None of the other districts like this in Florida are just for amusement parks. This is an egregious example of government providing a special privilege to a single, powerful corporate entity. Reason should be more careful in how they characterize this issue.
You assume any of the folks who WRITE for Reason are capable of reason.
Man, there are a lot of complex and ridiculous arguments in these comments, but there is only one simple decision you need to make about R. DeSantis. If he is the nominee, will he be a better choice than Joe Biden and his moron VP? Because if you vote for Joe, statistically speaking, you're voting for Kamala. That's just crazy to even consider. DeSantis might be Trump Lite, but he's definitely preferable to the Marxist clown show we're currently governed by. There is no credible leftist candidate that is superior to DeSantis, and there never will be. No need to fight about his motivation for slapping Disney in the nuts. They asked for it. It's a good lesson for other Florida corporations to dwell on. "Should I take up politics, or take care of business?" The answer is seemingly self evident.
Yet Ron has the personality of a dish towel, and can't win the nomination. Besides, we NEED a wrecking ball in office. Ron can be President for 8 years after Trump's second term.
"He either doesn't understand or won't admit why this violates the First Amendment."
I thought the Derangement Syndrome issues at REASON were limited to Jacob Sullum who has stage 4 TDS but with each day I'm seeing Mr Boehim approaching Stage 3 maybe even 4 DeSantis Derangement Syndrome. Eirc is right about one thing, the courts will decide and when they decide this is not a violation of Free Speech will Eric here admit he was wrong or will he do like Sullum does and move onto a different accusation, one that's not yet been tried and or debunked?
Wait, businesses have a "constitutional right" to be self-governing? Wow, that's a dumb take.
Only if they want to admit to billions in securities fraud.
The funniest part of this whole thing is that the only possible way that the dissolution of RCID and replacement with CFTOD harms Disney is if Disney was lying about the nature of RCID and thereby committing billions of dollars in securities fraud. Disney must prove in court that they were defrauding the people and government of Florida if they want to have standing for, let alone win, their case.
Brilliant!
Before Disney making their perspective known
Other companies: WTH is Disney still getting special treatment from the state? It’s not fair that they get all these tax breaks, and are treated like their own fiefdom!
Ron DeSantis: Do de do do do. Just doing my governor thing, de do do do do.
After Disney takes a stance on a law DeSantis signs
Ron DeSantis: Wait, what??? Now you’re going to actually act like you’re a fiefdom? Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. And really, why is the state still giving you all these privileges, even patent protection runs out. . . you’ve had plenty of time to make your money back, time to be just another company in the state.
Reason.com: Oh nos, DeSantos admits he’s “punishing” Disney for their political views.
Ron DeSantis: Welp, I suppose you could say it like that. The rest of the companies in Florida probably also feel “punished” because they’ve always had to pay the same taxes Disney will now have to pay. Why do you imply there is some some of injustice being done when in reality justice was simply restored?
“Why do you imply there is some some of injustice being done when in reality justice was simply restored?”
Because all Progressives lie, always. Some even lie about being Progressives (totalitarians), claiming instead that they are "Libertarians." A lot of those write for Reason.
Democrats confirm (again) that they believe they should be immune to consequences for poor behavior.
Special perks exist solely on sufferance. Always. Therefore, removing special perks for poor behavior cannot possibly be "retribution," but merely "predictable consequences."
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I am not a DeSantis fan but if he were able to line up all Disney top management and shoot them, I would get popcorn and soda. Why must I like DeSantis to approve what he is doing. Please explain that. Disney violated the First Amendment so it's karma.