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Justice Department Challenges Tennessee Ban on Drugs, Surgery for Transgender Youth

Plus: Court sides with journalists sued by LAPD, don't ban private employers from requiring college degrees, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 4.27.2023 9:32 AM

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Justice Department says Tennessee's ban on transition treatments for transgender kids violates Equal Protection Clause. The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) is suing Tennessee over the state's recently passed ban on certain sorts of medical care for transgender minors.

The broad Tennessee law, Senate Bill 1, makes it illegal for health care providers to perform or administer any treatment to someone under age 18 if the treatment is for the purpose of "enabling a minor to identify with, or live as, a purported identity inconsistent with the immutable characteristics of the reproductive system that define the minor as male or female, as determined by anatomy and genetics existing at the time of birth (the minor's 'sex')" or "treating purported discomfort or distress from a discordance between the minor's sex and asserted identity." That means things like puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for minors are illegal, in addition to surgical procedures. It's set to take effect on July 1, 2023.

The DOJ called it a law "that denies necessary medical care to children based solely on who they are." It alleges that the law violates the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

"SB 1's blanket ban prohibits potential treatment options that have been recommended by major medical associations for consideration in limited circumstances in accordance with established and comprehensive guidelines and standards of care," stated the DOJ in a press release. "By denying only transgender youth access to these forms of medically necessary care while allowing non-transgender minors access to the same or similar procedures, SB 1 discriminates against transgender youth."

The Justice Department has asked the court to prevent S.B. 1 from taking effect.

The move marks the latest attempt by the Biden administration to thwart state laws banning gender transition drugs and procedures for minors. Last year, the DOJ intervened in a legal challenge to an Alabama law (Senate Bill 184) to this effect. "As a result of that litigation, the most significant provisions of Alabama's Senate Bill 184 have been preliminarily halted from going into effect, and the United States continues to challenge its constitutionality," the DOJ pointed out.

In the latest challenge, the DOJ is intervening in a lawsuit filed by three Tennessee families with teen or preteen children and a Memphis-based doctor, Susan Lacy. They are represented by the American Civil Liberties Union.


FREE MINDS

Court sides with journalists sued by Los Angeles over police photos. The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) released the names and pictures of officers—including some who work undercover assignments—to Knock LA journalist Ben Camacho, who gave them to the Stop LAPD Spying Coalition to publish online. The city then claimed this release was "inadvertent" and sued. A judge this week rejected the city's request for a temporary restraining order. More from the Los Angeles Times:

On Tuesday, the attorneys asked the judge to approve the restraining order to stop Camacho and the coalition from "transferring, concealing, removing or otherwise disposing of" the photos and other information. Lawyers for Camacho have filed to have the case dismissed as unconstitutional and retaliatory.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff declined to issue the restraining order and labeled the city's legal brief confusing.

Beckloff said the city was trying to prevent the dissemination or publication of the information, but he told the city's lawyers: "You really don't address the prior restraint issue. You buried the lead." He said the city needed to address the pivotal U.S. Supreme Court case on prior restraint — Nebraska Press Assn. vs. Stuart — and whether the injunction would be effective.

City lawyers insisted they aren't seeking to prevent publication but want to prevent Camacho and the Stop LAPD Spying Coalition from allowing other people to download the photos.


FREE MARKETS

Department of everything good must be mandatory (sigh). Prominent conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation is calling for a ban on employers restricting some jobs to applicants with college degrees.

4/ The @Heritage "Mandate" proposes a full ban on the use of a bachelor's degree as a job requirement. Not for government hiring. Full private-sector ban, including exclusion from algorithmic screening. ???? pic.twitter.com/nN1gXwmsJf

— Oren Cass (@oren_cass) April 26, 2023

Once again, we see folks taking an idea that would be nice for businesses to voluntarily agree to and calling for the government to force businesses to accept it. Typically, this sort of micromanaging of private hiring practices has been a favored tactic of progressives. But the idea of using government to control business these days is loved by "conservative populists" as much as it is by their leftist counterparts.

The real kicker here: The Heritage Foundation lists a college degree among the required components for some job applicants.


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• "The ongoing vendetta between Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Disney escalated yet again [yesterday] when Disney filed a federal lawsuit accusing DeSantis of unconstitutional retaliation against the entertainment behemoth for protected speech," reports C.J. Ciaramella.

• "Do half of AI researchers believe that there's a 10% chance AI will kill us all?" It's a claim that's been circulating in prominent media outlets. But the Santa Fe Institute's Melanie Mitchell takes a skeptical look.

• The number of mass shootings in 2022 decreased from the previous year. According to FBI data, there were 50 mass shootings—defined as "one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area"—last year in the U.S. and 61 in 2021.

• How advocates pressured an Ohio town to reverse a ban on "aiding and abetting" abortions.

• Reason's Robby Soave argues against government-mandated age limits for social media.

• "Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology devoted to the cosmopolitan ideal of maximum equal freedom for each and every human being," suggests Matt Zwolinski, who has revived the Bleeding Heart Libertarians blog as a one-man Substack newsletter. "My writings here will explore what this kind of libertarianism might look like."

• "Harsher penalties won't save us from fentanyl," opines the Los Angeles Times editorial board. "In a very real sense, the co-manufacturer [of fentanyl] is U.S. criminal justice policy," it writes. "The war on drugs made fentanyl — much as it turned morphine into heroin and cocaine into crack."

• Reason's Emma Camp is in The New York Times with an op-ed on her growing ambivalence toward her autism diagnosis.

• How a "safeword" can protect you from AI-enabled scams.

• "Arcturus" is the newest COVID-19 subvariant to start spreading widely. "We haven't seen an increase in hospitalizations, we haven't seen an increase in any of the indicators that make us worry," Ali Mokdad, a global health professor at the University of Washington, told NBC News.

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    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

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    3. Anomalous   2 years ago

      It's still in draft at FBI HQ.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        AKA the political party-media-industrial complex.

    4. Cyto   2 years ago

      I wonder why this isn't important.... we are up in arms about some pictures from the police, but not this guy's motive. Or the red suv. Or the Vegas bump stock guy

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        I did watch the trial of the Red SUV guy, Darrel Brooks. I know exactly why he did it-he's a sociopath. There's no coherent political ideology there except for a lack of value for any life that is not his own. He's the result of a sort of institutional coddling that never held him accountable for anything, up until the point where he murdered six people.

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          I seem to remember some specific ideas being expressed about race in his writings, music and affiliations. There was even an explicit reference to running over white people with a car, was there not?

          I mean, sure, the root of the whole thing is crazy dude doing crazy dude stuff.... but would we pretend that a Klansman who talked about murdering black women because he hates black women was not also motivated by racial animus just because he also has mental illness?

          1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

            Cyto, I also am asking: What was SO dangerous that Audrey Hale wrote that the American people cannot read it?

            And we don't don't know shit about the motivation of Stephen Paddock. It is like that entire episode was memory-holed. Accidental?

            It is politics.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              And safe-for-democracy information curation.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              I think a lot of this just goes back to the absolute media frenzy that happened after Columbine. There's a legitimate question to be raised as to how much in the public interest is really there, if it just confirms what we already know that these people are nutbags. With Hale, as with the kids who attacked the STEM school in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, she was clearly radicalized and probably a massive drug fiend to boot. That's a bit different from Adam Lanza or Salvador Ramos, who were nothing more than sociopathic freaks that just wanted to kill as many kids as possible.

            3. Nardz   2 years ago

              I'd guess it's fairly typical leftist rhetoric indistinguishable from activists and politicians

            4. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

              Read the first sentence of today's round up for a hint. We can't have gender benders exposed as freaks can we? We live in fucked times.

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          2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

            Well the trigger for the whole thing is that he wanted to beat the shit out of his girlfriend, but someone stopped him from doing it and called the cops, but he was still pissed off. He didn’t give a shit who he hit. He wasn’t specifically aiming to hit as many people as possible, mostly because he wanted to remain in his vehicle and keep it operable. But he refused to hit the brakes or stop his vehicle because he gives no shit about human life.

            Him being racist against white people is probably relevant in some way, but it’s not why he did this specific thing. The same way it is with all other “hate crimes” and why we shouldn’t have that as a legal category.

            EDIT: I should add, this guy is not exactly someone who thinks ahead. He's not a planner. He didn't know there was a parade happening that day until he was crashing through it. He's a complete dumbass and wasn't targeting people. His whole motivation was that he was pissed at his ex-girlfriend, who was also his "ho" (he had been her pimp), because she didn't show up to bail him out of jail in Milwaukee. Otherwise he wouldn't even have been in Waukesha.

        2. Super Scary   2 years ago

          I also watched a chunk of that trial and let me just tell everyone that didn't watch it: it was a total shit-show since he represented himself.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            They usually are. Mr. Brooks had a fool for a client.

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  2. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1651519907543101440?t=CA1i8QdELoq7MQNRny5buQ&s=19

    The Pentagon is literally saying now that Tucker is off the air it will be easier to manipulate the public to support the war

    This is not a sci-fi movie, this is actually happening in realtime

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Well, they're not wrong....

      1. Cyto   2 years ago (edited)

        The amazing thing about this is that it is being reported unironically as a good thing. The reporter actually sought out an angle to attack Carlson as an enemy of the military to discredit him. And the article cites unnamed DOD officials.... I wonder who called who?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Remember when Democrats were anti-war?

          1. Dillinger   2 years ago

            No.

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

              Remember when some of them pretended to be anti war? (W days)

          2. ThanksForTheFish   2 years ago

            Remember when republicans were pro US military?

            1. markm23   2 years ago

              I remember one Republican President warning us about the Military-Industrial complex. I presume he wasn't anti-military since he served in the US Army for 39 years and achieved the rank of 5-star General.

            2. Wizard4169   2 years ago

              Being "pro military" isn't the same thing as supporting endless wars to do little to promote US interests and security. Step one of my plan to support the troops: "Stop pissing away their lives, bodies and minds in pointless wars.:

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          It's quite interesting, and very disturbing. It's almost as if we are subject to a oligarchy of the Military-Industrial Complex (aka "Deep State").

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            I’m sure the corporate press would tell us if that were true.

            /sarc

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Living the Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "The Pentagon is literally saying now that Tucker is off the air it will be easier to manipulate the public to support the war"

      Trump will start WW3!!

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Justice Department says Tennessee's ban on transition treatments for transgender kids violates Equal Protection Clause.

    Genital mutilations for all or for none!

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      The only treatment available to nom trans kids mentioned in the doj suit is some limited use of temporary drugs to delay puberty. A rare medical event with the drugs being used sparsely for a limited time. Trans kids are lifetime users of these drugs in higher doses leading to sterility.

      Kids are not allowed to get masectomies on a whim. None are. Only for cancer. Trans kids could as well.

      The latest long term studies from Norway show suicide rates go up for people transitioned at an early age, not down.

      The doj has literally no valid argument here.

      The treatments cause lifetime medical treatments for the "gender affirming" care. They are not in response to a medical need.

      1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

        Why does the doj need a valid argument?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Fair.

          My biggest issue with Gorsuch is he opened up the courts to this argumentation trying to be cute legally in his sex discrimination case.

      2. Cyto   2 years ago (edited)

        I am pretty sure the Boston Children’s Hospital disagrees with you on mastectomy for kids.

        At least they did. Before they didn’t.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Can't wait until they are sued due to lack of informed consent.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        And by gender-affirming they mean virtue signaling and political evangelizing.

        1. Roberta   2 years ago

          More generally, it's doing something shocking to upset social order.

          Certain body modifications in childhood have been accepted as part of the social order: circumcision, ear piercing. But other ones would not be: clitoridectomy, tongue piercing or bifurcating, foot binding. Castration to produce castrati for singing or eunuchs would be seen as a horrible abuse, but because of a desire to upset society on the basis of identity, somehow mutilation of minors for "gender affirmation" are sweeping those same societies as a beneficial medical-surgical-sociologic "treatment". Too bad Tom Szasz isn't around for comment.

          I think the movement against circumcision has been a good sign, but now who knows what kooky directions society will take? Well, WTF, when New York can legalize cannabis and then immediately have the same people turn around and move to outlaw tobacco in the same types of products, you know it's not about health or safety, but just to upset society and be "in your face" against the dying generation.

      4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Also, suicide is speech, and good for democracy.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      And tiny American flags for others!

    3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago (edited)

      The basis for transitioning as a treatment for gender dysphoria is founded on some very ethically dubious experimentation by some men with highly motivated thinking to prove their theories of mind/body duality with regards to sex correct. The medical side of advocating for these treatments has always been ideologically motivated, rather than results oriented.

      The idea that the best treatment for a mental distress is destroying the healthy sexual development of the body and removing healthy organs and tissue to sculpt the body into a superficial facsimile of the opposite sex seems outlandish, and to have minors be submitted to such treatment when they cannot give meaningful consent is a joke in poor taste.

      1. Muzzled Woodchipper   2 years ago

        I find the young kid argument so perplexing.

        A 14 year old girl is too young to consent to sex in most states, but mutilating their sexual organs irreparably is not only okay, it’s absolutely necessary.

        These people are well beyond fucked up.

        1. Roberta   2 years ago

          Worse, there are jurisdictions where minors of a certain age can consent to sexual activity, or at least are not criminals if they engage in it (though their partners might be), yet can't legally photograph themselves in sexual poses — or, presumably, write descriptions of their real or imagined sex activity! They can draw cartoons of totally imaginary figures having sex intercourse, but can't caricature themselves or their friends doing so, even from their imagination.

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            In my state even a written description of children engaging in sexual activity is considered illegal child pornography.

        2. Wizard4169   2 years ago

          Look, could we drop the "It's for the children!" horseshit already? The gay and trans bashers are already starting to go after adults too, and they have no intention of stopping until they've managed to forcibly stuff as many queer people as possible back into the closet. The culture warriors have exposed their dishonesty pretty blatantly over the last couple of years.

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            Could we drop the "gay basher" horseshit? Nobody gives a shit if you're gay. Poisoning and mutilating children for virtue signalling is another matter.

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      No surgeon in the US will do genital surgery on a minor.

      You'd think conservatives would be happy about that, but instead they pretend like it isn't true so they can use the pretense to justify culture warring.

      1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        Yet somehow all these people who had surgery when they were minors keep cropping up.

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        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          There is some evidence it was different in the past, but my claim is about the present. And, by the way, congratulations conservatives, because your pressure on transgender clinics probably had a lot to do with their stating clear policies about age restrictions.

          And you are subtly exaggerating by using the phrasing, “all these people”, to make it sound like there are many.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Cite?

          2. Super Scary   2 years ago

            "There is some evidence it was different in the past, but my claim is about the present. "

            To Mike, If there isn't a scalpel in a child right this very moment, you guys are wrong. Check and mate.

          3. NealAppeal   2 years ago

            Yeah...two minutes ago is in the past. Unless a surgeon is currently in the act then it isn't happening. - ML

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

              Cite?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Cite?

          4. JesseAz   2 years ago

            As of 12 p.m. on 4.27 no kids are in surgery - Mike.

            As he ignores the information from hospitals of it still happening and the WH admitting it is happening, and WPATH advocating for it to happen more.

          5. Wizard4169   2 years ago

            Culture warriors either claim trans people are so rare there shouldn't be any accommodations for them or else that the country is being overrun by them, depending on which is more convenient at any given moment. These people have blatantly exposed their dishonesty, but that doesn't stop them from talking out of both sides of their mouth.

      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

        You fvcking gaslighting douchebag liar, you have been shown over and over this is false

      3. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        Every time you say this, it sounds like you condone all other minor altering drugs and procedures, including mastectomies and hormone therapy. It's a terrible optic.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          That’s purely your mind adding to a simple statement of fact on my part.

      4. Ben of Houston   2 years ago

        That's what I find so wild about this topic. We have people in the same paragraph, if not the same sentence claim that no transgender surgery ever happens while decrying all attempts to make it illegal and referencing studies about how beneficial these surgeries are when performed on minors.

        How do you keep your head on straight with all this double and triple-think?

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          “ while decrying all attempts to make it illegal and referencing studies about how beneficial these surgeries are when performed on minors”

          Huh? Where did I say any of that?

  4. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Justice Department says Tennessee's ban on transition treatments for transgender kids violates Equal Protection Clause.

    I'm sick of the Great Trannie Wars. Progs and Cons need to find a more important issue to fight nonstop over.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Little boys with their dicks cut off, little boys without their dicks cut off. It's all the same to you, pedo.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        You Denny Hastert conservatives are always the first to call another names while you sit in your Lazy-Boys watching boys shower.

        1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

          Fuck off and die, pedo. Your previous handle was banned from this site for posting links to child pornography.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            Liar.

            But you Denny Hastert types live in fear.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. damikesc   2 years ago

              Denny Hastert? Really? THe people who loathe that Republican party are just like him now?

              Projection seems to be a talent of yours.

              1. Sevo   2 years ago

                Never presume intent where stupidity will suffice, and turd wears stupid like he wears dishonest.

            3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "Liar"

              The fuck you didn't, pedophile.

          2. ThanksForTheFish   2 years ago

            Source?

      2. Wizard4169   2 years ago

        There is actually some legit concern over the spike in girls identifying as FTM. I think it's possible that some of them are merely gender nonconforming. There has been no similar spike in boys identifying as MTF. But, hey, anyone not screaming about dick chopping 24/7 must be a "groomer", if not actually the devil incarnate.

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      I bet you are sick of it.

      If I was a card carrying lefty shit and my party was constantly coming out saying the sky is orange, the grass is blue, and night is day, I would get very tired of carrying water for those folks and getting nuts-on-the-face dunked on by those pesky conservatives with their facts and biology textbooks.

      You're basically signed up to get laughed at while taking L's, and the only way you could possibly win a debate on the topic is with ad hominem and strawmen slaying. Ya, I would be really tired of it too

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        He gets off on being ridiculed and insulted.

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        Interesting. So, you were into being extremely left and now you are into being extremely right. The extremism itself appeals to you.

        Ever read “The True Believer” by Eric Hoffer?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Laursen, you are a wonder of dumbness to behold. Somehow in the middle of all this, your lack of reading comprehension managed to miss the word "if" in the verbiage.

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        2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

          "So, you were into being extremely left" - "If...."

          In reality, I had some bleeding heart save the world ideas when I was very young, and even voted for some democrats. Ive always been a registered indy.

          I now find the left so extreme and authoritarian I feel the only course is to counter them. They are the biggest danger to our society, hands down. The shit that I dislike about R's is minor grievance stuff compared to the dangerous authoritarians on the left.

          The Elon meme with the left moving the overton window so far afield that they consider centrists "R's" is where Im at.

      3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        pesky conservatives with their facts and biology textbooks

        Which is ironic as some of us started off squaring off with religious conservatives using those exact same facts and biology texts. Now, we've had to switch around and fight progtards with them.

        1. Ben of Houston   2 years ago

          Welcome to the middle. We need more radical moderates.

      4. Wizard4169   2 years ago

        Pretty rich, considering just how dishonest the right wingnut culture warriors prove themselves to be a little more every day.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Amen. But reasonable, independent people are caught up in the Red Team vs. Blue Team culture wars. And the Red Team vs. Blue Team culture wars have decided to battle over what was an obscure issue involving few people.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Cite?

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Mike is the one person who supports neither team but always aligns with a single team more than anyone he claims is on the other team.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Court sides with journalists sued by Los Angeles over police photos.

    We all knew who T.J. Hooker was and what he looked like and we were better off for it.

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      Can the journalists sue for the body cam footage of the Las Vegas shooting?

      Haha I kid, because the cops were told to turn off the cameras

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Don't forget Officer Stacy Sheridan!

  6. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    How does the DoJ feel about a law saying everyone old enough to consent to life altering surgery is old enough to have a firearm of any type?

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Or smoke, drink, drive a car, vote, rent a car, rent a hotel room....

      1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

        Or get a tattoo, in many States.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_tattooing_in_the_United_States

        1. Muzzled Woodchipper   2 years ago

          Or have sex in most states.

          12 year old girls can’t consent to sex, but that they can mutilate themselves is an unmitigated good that is necessary.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Vote? Let's not get carried away.

        1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

          If they are under age, the democrat party will vote for them, as a public service.

  7. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    that denies necessary medical care

    It is never necessary to remove healthy tissue.

    1. Rich   2 years ago

      "Nice try, but that so-called 'healthy tissue' is causing mental illness!"

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Would a lobotomy help?

      2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        healthy tissue’ is causing mental illness!”

        Seems unlikely.

    2. damikesc   2 years ago

      I'd like to see SOME documentation of the medical efficacy of these treatments. Suicide rates certainly do not seem to improve.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        The efficacy is to their bank accounts

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          What about their political virtue profile?

      2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        Since you can't actually change your gender, efficacy is 0. This is modern day alchemy.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          If that's your desired end point, of course. I'd say you could also say it was effective if it actually made people happier and more functional in their lives. If living a delusion makes your life better, I've really got no problem. But there doesn't seem to be any evidence that that is the case outside of an extremely tiny minority.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Taxpayer funds shouldn't subsidize delusions. Medicaid is used here.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              No government support for personal or societal delusions? Why even bother with democracy?

            2. Zeb   2 years ago

              Agreed. I'm just saying that if you are going to talk about whether something is effective or not, you need to define the endpoint you are trying to measure.

          2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

            And we should add the caveat that we're okay with grown-up humans making grown-up decisions about their own bodies. With children, we're going to try teaching them to learn how to deal with stuff before we move onto permanent decisions.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              I'd also add the caveat that yes, we do not care as long as we do not have to subsidize it.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                Or applaud it, and sign oaths to that effect.

          3. Muzzled Woodchipper   2 years ago

            And even if it is, adults transitioning isn’t something people worry about in the least. It’s neurotic mothers seeking approval in their Wine Mom groups by having their children brainwashed and mutilated, while trying to legally mandate that I am forced to recognize Opposite Day as real. The problem is dumbfuck teachers brainwashing 5 year olds, telling them they can choose their gender, and indeed force many of these children into their NOT-gender while at school, while hiding it from parents.

            If an adult wants to fuck their lives up, have the fuck at it. I don’t care whether it’s effective or not. That’s irrelevant.

            1. rbike   2 years ago

              The money is in the parents insurance. Runs out at 26.

            2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              It is good (and libertarian) that many commenters here are stating that they only want to pass laws that relate to minors, but let’s all acknowledge there are more extreme conservatives who want to make “gender-affirming” medical treatment illegal for adults. Unless you distance yourself from them, they will be perceived as your culture war allies:

              https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/missouri-limit-gender-affirming-care-minors-adults-rcna79699

              “[Missouri] Attorney General Andrew Bailey announced plans to restrict health care for transgender people weeks ago, when protesters rallied at the Capitol to urge lawmakers to pass a law banning puberty blockers, hormones and surgeries for children. But the discussion was focused on minors, not adults.

              “Missouri Attorney General spokeswoman Madeline Sieren clarified in a statement later in the day that adults also would be covered.”

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                But if everyone here is a red trump cultist, then why do they disagree with your red herring?

              2. Minadin   2 years ago

                An Attorney General is a legislature now?

                I thought you said you weren't a member of the Biden Administration.

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  First of all my point was to illustrate the existence of conservatives who desire to block adults from "gender-affirming" medical treatments. I just presented an existence proof.

                  As to whether the Attorney General of the state of Missouri has legitimate power to impose this emergency rule, I have no opinion. The ACLU and others can sue, and it will be settled in court.

                  1. Minadin   2 years ago

                    My point is that 'phone and a pen' style of unilateral rulemaking isn't a) kosher or b) indicative of any sort of consensus or trend. But, it seems to be how the current administration chooses to operate.

                    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                      "the current administration"

                      Do you mean the Biden Administration? I thought this was a comment thread about Missouri.

          4. Roberta   2 years ago

            Like the punch line of the joke about the family telling the psychiatrist, "We'd like to, but we need the eggs."

  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Prominent conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation is calling for a ban on employers restricting some jobs to applicants with college degrees.

    If employers want only people who've paid large sums of money to be indoctrinated into being entitled and chronic HR problems, that's their prerogative.

    1. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

      I agree. That said, the law should probably clarify that the absence of degrees is not a legitimate ground for qualification when malpractice is otherwise an issue.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      How else can they maintain their federally certified DEI status, compliance with official regulations, and access to grants?

    3. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

      It's my understanding that the feds banned or at least restricted intelligence tests for hiring (it's racist). So companies used college degrees as a second-best method of finding out who was smart and hardworking.

      It may have been a good proxy before, but it's less so now, unless they're careful about what kind of college degrees they accept.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The ongoing vendetta between Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Disney escalated yet again [yesterday] when Disney filed a federal lawsuit accusing DeSantis of unconstitutional retaliation against the entertainment behemoth for protected speech...

    Disney lawyers know all about retaliatory practices.

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Florida has toll roads - - - - - - - -

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        Would be a real shame for the road into Disney World to become a toll road with significant tolls needed for upkeep.

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          Actually, the main route to Disney is a toll road.

          1. damikesc   2 years ago

            Haven't been there in about 36 years.

            Figure I can light my money on fire with a match more efficiently.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      Making Disney live by the same rules as every other business in Florida is an attack. Government favoritism is eternal.

  10. Rich   2 years ago

    mass shootings—defined as "one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area"

    What about the "four or more victims" part? Obviously the solution is to define mass shootings as "something unachievable without the use of nuclear weapons".

    1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Several definitions of "mass shooting". Pick the one that best fits your bias.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting

    2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

      I repost this periodically; the linked author wondered the same thing. Why four?

      Read or skim this article. It is not mine; I only post this link and a short summary. Shooters stopped by civilians killed far fewer victims, because the stoppers were on the scene, whereas police had to be called, dispatched, arrive, coordinate, assess, and finally act cautiously. One begins to suspect there's a reason Mother Jones and the police ignore shootings with fewer than 4 victims.

      I compiled and analyzed 100 shootings, noting my methodology, and I am now prepared to present my findings, complete with links to the data.

      • The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29
      • The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.33
      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        See? You proved how citizens with guns reduce the carnage and fuck up the narrative.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Do half of AI researchers believe that there's a 10% chance AI will kill us all?

    I believe two-thirds of that statement.

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      I disagree how about we compromise on three fifths?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Is Indian AI exempt?

        1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

          That depends, feather or dot?

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      50% of the time, it works every time

  12. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    "Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology devoted to the cosmopolitan ideal of maximum equal freedom for each and every human being,"

    Better still:

    "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

    Diderot

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      That has been tried, given Communism's atheistic nature.

      Works out quite poorly for freedom.

      Pol Pot did that kind of thing.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Communism is a form of authority like religion/monarchy.

        1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

          There is nothing workable that has no authority structures. The only thing that is workable is putting restraints on authority and having the elites and populace being vigilant about enforcing those restraints.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

        Diderot died before Marx was born.

        The enemy of freedom in his lifetime was certainly the Church and the King.

        To this day conservatives are the biggest supporters of both.

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          American conservatives support the king?

          You sure about that?

        2. damikesc   2 years ago

          What conservatives here have called for a monarchy?

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            More interesting question: what conservatives here have called for theocracy?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Let's see........

              Oh, that's right, Laursen, none. Now as for progressives calling for totalitarianism, we have JFree, Jeffy, Tony, Shrike, Artie, and, oh, yes, YOU.

            2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

              Lol. You think that’s “interesting”? Why don’t you see if you can think of one?

              Hint: “Don’t mutilate kids” is not a call for theocracy.

        3. Sevo   2 years ago

          You know that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Historically, some major communist countries adopted atheism, but there is no inherent or necessary tie between communism and atheism.

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

          But much like The first Commandment, it will tolerate no other Gods before it.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            That's very true. If a country has an influential church, the communist government is going to demand that the church either get behind the government or be destroyed.

            Modern Russia isn't communist, but notice how Putin, a former KGB agent, is perfectly happy to be photographed attending Easter services at the Russian Orthodox Church.

        2. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

          Marx called for replacing Christianity with socialism.

      4. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, rather king-like. A king by any other name would smell as rotten.

    2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      That has always ended poorly, to say the least.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        Except in the US. Well, they didn't kill the kings and priests, but did get them out of government.
        I can see why someone would see it that way looking at most of European history, full of wars between various factions of priests and kings. But you need to have something better to replace it with.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          And now one party is eager to turn the government back over to WEF kings and progressive priests.

        2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago (edited)

          The Founders were not openly hostile to religion. Many of them recognized religion as being necessary to a virtuous attitude among the people that is required to maintain a free republic.

          This was decidedly not the case of the French Revolution for example.

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            In France the clergy was the First Estate and had much of the political power, so it makes sense (even if the outcome of their revolution wasn't too great).

          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            And others were quite secular.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Cite?

    3. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      So strangling Brandon with Fauci's entrails? Im cool with that.

    4. Nemo Aequalis   2 years ago

      “Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology devoted to the cosmopolitan ideal of maximum equal freedom for each and every human being,”

      In 1993, if someone told me they were a libertarian I assumed they supported the gold standard, guns and property rights.

      In 2023, I just assume they're some kind of a pervert and stay out of their way.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        You need to meet more libertarians and stop assuming that the voices in media are representative.

    5. Sevo   2 years ago

      Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  13. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    And just like that reason is back on the justice department good narrative.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    According to FBI data, there were 50 mass shootings—defined as "one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area..."

    That's quite a wide net cast to still get fewer catches.

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Exactly; what happened to "four or more"?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        They needed to confirm narratives. Like how BAC kept being lowered to get more DUIs.

      2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

        I repost this periodically.

        Read or skim this article. It is not mine; I only post this link and a short summary. Shooters stopped by civilians killed far fewer victims, because the stoppers were on the scene, whereas police had to be called, dispatched, arrive, coordinate, assess, and finally act cautiously. One begins to suspect there's a reason Mother Jones and the police ignore shootings with fewer than 4 victims.

        I compiled and analyzed 100 shootings, noting my methodology, and I am now prepared to present my findings, complete with links to the data.

        • The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29
        • The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.33
      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Math is racist.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      Huh. By that standard it seems like there should be more. Wouldn't pretty much any gang-related gun fight or shooting count?

  15. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    How advocates pressured an Ohio town to reverse a ban on "aiding and abetting" abortions.

    Forget Harriet Tubman, get those activist on the twenty dollar bill!

  16. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 1.1% annualized rate over the three months ending in March, according to government data released Thursday. The data marked a slowdown from 2.6% growth in the previous quarter. In turn, that performance indicated a downshift from 3.2% growth in the previous quarter.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-economic-growth-slowed-significantly-at-start-of-2023/ar-AA1aqmLq?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=764608b89e1145dda44fbc97c21bac20&ei=9

    Getting closer to that Fed induced recession, Peanuts!

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Are you trying to claim those numbers are good, Buttplug?

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  17. Minadin   2 years ago

    "Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology"

    Libertarianism was never and will never be progressive. Because its founding, bedrock principle is the supremacy of individual rights.

    That is the absolute antithesis of progressivism.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Emancipation was both libertarian and progressive.

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        No, it was classically liberal.

        Not.
        A.
        Leftist.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          That must explain why you right-libertarians and conservatives still support the Confederacy.

          1. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

            Except the Confederacy had a completely legitimate and appropriate argument (the right to secession), only utilized it on behalf of an abomination (slavery). But, the fact that it was listed on behalf of an abomination doesn't make a legitimate and appropriate argument wrong. People should be free to divorce themselves from a larger and more powerful polity that doesn't serve their interests. That's hardly something anyone who claims to be either a liberal or a libertarian should object to. It's only the state-worshipping progressives who believe in the supremacy of ever-larger collectives.

            1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

              Well, the right of secession doesn't mean a right to fire the first shot at Fort Sumpter.

              Nor does the right of secession preclude the ones fired upon from firing back.

              And the right of secession doesn't provide an industrial base necessary to mass-produce mechanized weapons necessary to defend borders against mass-produced, mechanized weapons of warfare, especially Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons required today.

              Something all the Johnny Rebs tend to forget and something they could not rise to the occasion to meet in a thousand years.

              1. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

                So you believe stronger polities have a moral right to invade and impose their wills on weaker ones. Gotcha.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  One should also take into account who fired first. Also, not everywhere in the South wanted to secede. Eastern Tennessee, northern Alabama, parts of Louisiana (Acadiana comes to mind), western North Carolina, and the entire western part of Virginia (you know, the part that became West Virginia) had no desire to secede.

                  1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

                    Very true. Western NC and East Tennessee was a haven of Freethought and Abolitionism since Post-Revolutionary times.

                    There was also Jones County, Mississippi, protrayed fantastically in the movie The Free State of Jones.

                    Jones County, along with neighboring Covington County, consisted of Confederate deserters, fugitive slaves, and independent farmers, and fought for secession from The Confederacy and held it's own for several years after the war.

                    A lot of Intentional Communities nowadays can't even manage that.

                    Jones County, Mississippi--Wikipedia
                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_County,_Mississippi

                2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

                  Didn't say that either, simply that, like every other right, secession includes the responsibility to respect the rights of other nations, the responsibility to provide for your own defense, and, above all, to respect Individual Rights within and outside the nation.

          2. Zeb   2 years ago

            Libertarians and conseravatives disagree as widely about that as anyone.

          3. Sevo   2 years ago

            Do you know that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies? It’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          4. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "right-libertarians and conservatives still support the Confederacy."

            I don't, and never did, and I don't know anyone who ever did, except Democrats from Georgia.

            You say the most amazing shit, Pluggo. All the Confederates and Klansman were Democrats. They were people exactly like you.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              "...I don’t, and never did, and I don’t know anyone who ever did, except Democrats from Georgia..."

              Don't forget that turd lies; it's what turd does.

          5. damikesc   2 years ago

            We do not tend to support the Democrat Party which was the one party that ran the Confederacy.

            When the South stopped being steeped in racism, they drifted away from the DNC.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              The modern Democratic Party has zero to do with the Democratic Party of the 1860s.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                They still push segregation no?

              2. damikesc   2 years ago

                Democrats were utterly racist in the 1860's and they're utterly racist now.

                1. markm23   2 years ago

                  It's a different kind of racism. In 1860, they enslaved blacks just because they were black. These days, Democrats like Kamala Harris, don't do that. They write so many laws it's impossible to obey them all, prosecute blacks for crimes, send them to prison, and use the prisoners as slave labor. Totally different. (/sarcasm)

      2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        Any word on why the progressives have decided on re-segregating everything?

        'Progress' toward utopia always ends the same way.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Shrike is openly racist. He applauds segregation.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            But only "good" segregation.

        2. Super Scary   2 years ago

          It's fine when they do it. That's their logic.

        3. markm23   2 years ago

          Progressives want to resegregate everything because their ideology depends upon maintaining racial and other divisions. They don't ever want to treat individuals as individuals; instead they divide the population up into as many subgroups as possible, and treat everyone as a member of their assigned subgroup. What you do yourself doesn't matter to them - they'll decide what you deserve based on what others that look like you do.

          Why they do this is that it's impossible to negotiate political rewards and punishments with millions of individuals. Only the free market can handle such complexity, and it does this by dividing the decision-making among millions of participants. That process doesn't leave a way for a person like Joe Biden, of dull-normal intelligence, limited imagination, and vastly deficient ethics, to make himself and his family multi-millionaires. But swapping favors with the self-appointed leaders of a few hundred racial/ethnic/gender/age groups did enable Joe Biden to acquire vast wealth...

    2. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      :Because its founding, bedrock principle is the supremacy of individual rights."

      Would someone explain that the the Reason staff?

      1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

        Why would they care non of them are libritarian.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          But they often look like progressives.

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        What did they do to displease you now?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Cite?

    3. Zeb   2 years ago

      Maybe the word is too tainted now. But "progressive" is also just a word with a plain meaning. And taken that way I would say libertarianism is or at least can be progressive as it does seek to change the way society is governed and organized in a way I would recognize as progress towards something better.

      1. Ronbback   2 years ago

        Progressive like liberal used to be good terms but they have both been taken over to hide what their true intent is, socialism/communism/fascism which has never worked anywhere ever.

      2. Roberta   2 years ago

        I agree. Unless we say we're not for progress, we don't want to say we're not progressive. Why leave the word to a narrow class of bigots?

        In general I hate when the meanings of words become narrowed. You want a narrower meaning, get your own word, don't fuck with the existing ones.

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          We're for more organic progress in that individuals should be more free to experiment with new ideas and new developments.

          The vision that 'progressives' hold for society requires everyone to toe the same line, which means less individual liberty, and more top-down hierarchy, or it's not achievable.

      3. Nardz   2 years ago

        Progressivism: society is to be organized from the top down, centrally planned, comprehensively implemented via State authority & force (physical, legal, economic, social), with the ultimate aim of socially engineering "New Man" in spite of natural/unguided evolution

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          Yeah, that's progressivism as a political ideology. But you can still use "progressive" as an adjective to describe other ideologies. Don't let the assholes dictate your use of language completely.

      4. Super Scary   2 years ago

        "Maybe the word is too tainted now. But “progressive” is also just a word with a plain meaning."

        I wonder when the left will, similar to what they did with "SJW" and "woke," deny they wanted to be called that and start claiming "progressive" is just a dirty word used by conservatives to insult them.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          If the early 20th century progressives didn't ruin the term, I'm not sure what would.

          1. BYODB   2 years ago

            Yeah, if openly committing genocide and racial cleansing didn't dirty the word I'm not sure what would.

            In fairness, they still believe the same stuff that led to those atrocities they just hide it a bit better in nicer language today.

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      I was going to give him perhaps a few looks until I read this from the link, "I highly recommend the Shikha Dalima’s The UnPopulist". I'm on the side of more open borders (summed up: pay for yourself / ok to come) but she is just a terrible writer/public intellect. Last thing I read of hers was when she blamed Trump for Paki/India bad relations; I just stop clicking at that point because even the lulz weren't worth being subjected to that kind of ahistorical thinking.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Reason's Robby Soave argues against government-mandated age limits for social media.

    Boomers should not be allowed on Insta!

    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

      Your terms are acceptable.

  19. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    I'm willing to bet if you had the death penelty for fentanal dealers, and 20 year prison Sentanced for users, the usage would drop quickly. See Singapore for an example

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Libertopia!

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      you could say that about any product or activity you dont like

      1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

        Correct. I'm not saying it's the right way to do it. I'm pointing out that the last times writer is a retard

  20. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology devoted to the cosmopolitan ideal of maximum equal freedom for each and every human being...

    [Tosses abortion bomb into libertarian utopia]

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Clumps of cells with unique DNA aren't individuals. Only the magic birth canal fairy decides that.

  21. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology devoted to the cosmopolitan ideal of maximum equal freedom for each and every human being."

    Koch / Reason libertarianism, OTOH, is about promoting whichever policy will make Charles Koch's inherited fortune even larger. It's not all that "radical," especially since Reason wants Biden in the White House and he's about as bland and "establishment" as a politician can be.

    #InDefenseOfBillionaires

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      The key there is equal freedom. See how under covid progressives demanded everyone equally be vaccinated.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Hey, freedom is dangerous, and probably racist.

    2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Progressivism and freedom are always in tension as Progressivism tends to totalitarianism that is intolerent of any dissent.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Harsher penalties won't save us from fentanyl...

    NOTHING CAN

    1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Good sense can save you, as an individual, from fentanyl.

      For those who want to risk it, "My body. My choice", perhaps?

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Yup. No way that legalizing fentanyl, and allowing people to buy it from trusted sources on an open market, would prevent deaths.

  23. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    I wonder how Reason editors would respond?
    https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1651240667891351552

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago (edited)

      They would respond by saying free speech is imparative for food trucks to offer weed and sex work

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        But not memes.

        1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

          Members need to go to prison if they make fun of the regiem

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Common-sense liberty laws.

            1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

              No one needs 16 kinds of freedoms and 26 different rights.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      They'd shuffle in their seats, KMW would mumble "something-something NAP", ENB would stare daggers of rage, Robby would leave to use the washroom, Gillespie would stare out of the window, the Barely Legals would look confused.

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

        Gillespie would stare out of the window

        No chance. He'd never give up the opportunity to hear himself talk.

        Also, Robby deserves some respect here.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZt1O7qjH5I

  24. Nardz   2 years ago

    Reason energy:

    https://twitter.com/KevinCheney1/status/1651407021021831168?t=MI8s4qYdISf9Om6hEqN6CA&s=19

    When a teen in MT kills themselves because they can’t get access to medical care they want/need, they will have blood on their hands. These anti trans laws will lead to suicides. That is simply a fact.

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

      Rephrased

      “When a teen in MT kills themselves because they can’t get access to a Playstation they want/need, Sony will have blood on their hands.”

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        "If my daughter cannot go to a party because I said no, she will die and the blood is on your hands"

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      The fact that they are calling dangerous genital mutilation "medical care" enrages me.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        How about abortion as "reproductive rights"?

        1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

          Women's health.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        How about the typical leftist perspective of stating the imaginary is fact

      3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        For what is, at basis, a mental condition, not a physical one.

    3. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Suicidal teens, can't live with them, can't kill them.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      LOL, yeah, as if enabling their delusions have been such a smashing success, considering the long-term suicide rates for trannies aren't any different than the short-term ones. I expect "Zooey Zephyr" (LOL, you don't even need to see the guy to mark him as a troon, the anime-style name alone will clock him) will be in the same boat by the time 2030 rolls around.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

        “When a teen in Montana kills themself because they can’t get a stinkditch or a deflated balloon chest, they will have blood on their hands.”

        Note that this CO shitlib linked to that crappy UW study that every troon and their enablers are treating as gospel, despite long-term studies showing the exact opposite of what the study (that was surreptiously corrected after the fact) claims.

    5. Super Scary   2 years ago

      Histrionics like this are why a lot of people are souring on the LGBTQ movement.

    6. Phlinn   2 years ago

      It's depressing that the Tordoff study from last year is STILL getting cited. It's crap. Jesse Singal has the definitive takedown of it. https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/researchers-found-puberty-blockers?s=r

  25. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Reason's Emma Camp is in The New York Times with an op-ed on her growing ambivalence toward her autism diagnosis.

    The spectrum is what was. Wake me when she's diagnosed trans.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    How a "safeword" can protect you from AI-enabled scams.

    Palomino!

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Foliage

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Brandon?

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Begone!

    3. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Woodchipper

  27. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    "Arcturus" is the newest COVID-19 subvariant to start spreading widely.

    OH MY FUCKING GOD

    1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Somebody is getting off on coming up with these codenames for variants.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Lucky for me, i never stopped wearing my cloth mask, not even while walking outside by myself.

    3. Zeb   2 years ago

      WTF? Greek letters not scary enough anymore?

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Would you feel better if Boötes, the newest monkeypox subvariant to start spreading quickly, is what you really need to worry about?

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          Those are not the things I worry about.

      2. Krokko   2 years ago

        They should just double up the letters: After omega, it's alpha-alpha, alpha-beta, alpha-gamma...

        Will omega-mu be worth the weight?

    4. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Dammit! Arcturus was my safeword!

    5. Super Scary   2 years ago (edited)

      “Arcturus”

      I thought that was a Pokemon.

  28. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    "We haven't seen an increase in hospitalizations, we haven't seen an increase in any of the indicators that make us worry..."

    ...however the presidential elections are a year and a half away.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Finish the job.

  29. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    Parody is obsolete, Exhibit #7,037

    Mick Jagger is only 9 months younger than Joe Biden. He went on tour last year at age 79. Joe Biden is both fit and fit to serve another term. Don’t buy into ageism.

    It's not just Reason commenters who debase themselves for Dementia Joe!

    #BidenIsAsSharpAsEver

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Biden is even on the same amount of uppers as Jagger

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      Hilarious in the context of Biden being unable to conquer *checks notes* a small flight of stairs. Yup, he could definitely tour

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Well, let's give Trump equal time on that one:

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/14/trump-unsteady-walk-down-west-point-ramp

        Truth is we now have two certifiable old farts declared as the leading contenders for our two major political parties.

        1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

          He had slick shoes, on a slick ramp, and didn't want to eat it. And that one episode got MSM coverage on every network and all of latenight.

          Biden falls on the stairs daily and not a peep. Ive got at least 5 examples, plus many of him wandering around aimlessly after a speech.

          You really wanna go example for example?

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            No. Unlike you, I am not a supporter of either Trump or Biden.

            I just want to point out that they are both feeble old men because the many commenters here are conservatives and conservative-leaning libertarians who focus on the Democrats' flaws without any acknowledgement of the Republicans' flaws, even when they are quite parallel to the Democrats'.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              Biden has had these issues repeatedly.

              Trump did once. And he explained why.

    3. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Like Biden, Jagger died 10 years ago, but no one told him.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        What about Keith?

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          He's saying: "Keith, you ignorant slut! You're dead!". 🙂
          https://youtu.be/USleHz6FimQ

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Paul McCartney died like 45 years ago but never stopped making records.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Which is a real shame.

          1. Dillinger   2 years ago

            some people want to fill the world with silly love songs

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              What's wrong with that?

              1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

                I'd like to know.

        2. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

          You mean Billy Shears?

    4. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Mick Jagger is only 9 months younger than Joe Biden. He went on tour last year at age 79. Joe Biden is both fit and fit to serve another term. Don’t buy into ageism.

      #OzzyOsbourne2024

      1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        Because on 79 year old is active a relatively healthy does not mean all are.

        Not to mention that Biden was a dumbass before he got decrepit.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          Yeah, what a silly take. At that age you could be fine for another 10 years, or you could be senile or in rapid decline. And one injury or illness could flip a switch from fine to out of it.

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

          Well, let’s give Trump equal time on that one:

          https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-48879825

          “At the event in Washington DC, for the 4th of July ‘Salute to America’, [Trump] referred to airports existing in 1775.”

          Truth is we now have two certifiable old fart dumbasses declared as the leading contenders for our two major political parties.

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            Trump is too damn old too. But he does seem a lot more lively and coherent (in his own particular way) than Biden often does.

      2. Dillinger   2 years ago

        not certain Ozzy holds even dual citizenship

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          Don't buy into nationalism.

  30. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

    I denies medical care based solely on who they are. Or aren’t. That’s the idea. We don’t give hysterectomies to men, or C Sections, we don’t give vasectomies to women, and we don’t give a cavalry division to someone who thinks they are Napoleon or a nest on a skyscraper to someone who thinks they can fly

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Why do you hate democracy?

    2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Reality just ain't libertarian, if it insists on refusing to conform with what you want your identity to be.

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      2. Zeb   2 years ago

        No, reality is amoral. Libertarian is something people can be, not generalizations of existence.

        1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

          That was meant to be a jibe at those arguing that liberty must include anything goes self definition of identity. To a certain extent, that is fine, but at some point reality puts limits on how much you can do.

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            Fair point. If your idea of liberty includes freedom from basic material reality, you have a problem.

    3. markm23   2 years ago

      "we don’t give a ... nest on a skyscraper to someone who thinks they can fly"

      Why interfere with Darwinism improving the species?

  31. Rich   2 years ago

    “This just indicates to us that the virus continues to evolve and it will continue to evolve because the virus is circulating pretty much unchecked."

    "FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!"

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      The left has gone from mocking intelligent design to advocating for it.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        What else are government labs good for?

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Unit 731
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#:~:text=Unit%20731%20%28Japanese%3A%20731%E9%83%A8%E9%9A%8A%2C%20Hepburn%3A%20Nana-san-ichi%20Butai%29%2C%20%5Bnote,Second%20Sino-Japanese%20War%20%281937%E2%80%931945%29%20and%20World%20War%20II.

          Yeah, Wiki, but not bad in this case.

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      Above statement also applies perfectly to the common cold, which also isnt a threat

  32. DRM   2 years ago

    Prominent conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation is calling for a ban on employers restricting some jobs to applicants with college degrees.

    We already have such a ban, and have for over 40 years; it's just the executive branch refuses to enforce it.

    No, seriously. You know how people will tell you that you can't use IQ tests for hiring decisions? That was based on the Supreme Court interpretation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in Griggs v Duke Power Co?

    That case treated educational certifications identically to test scores. It is exactly as illegal to use diplomas and degrees to filter applicants as it is to use test scores; in all cases the employer must be able to demonstrate that the requirement directly relates to job duties.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      As long as employers can require DEI statements and oaths from applicants, all is good.

  33. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

    "a law "that denies necessary medical care"

    That's funny, I thought the talking point was "its not happening anyways, why are these crazy republicans limiting freedoms against some imaginary boogeyman".

    Seems we shifter VERY quickly from "its not happening" to "its happening and its necessary medical care"

    "Necessary medical care - castrating and mutilating kids to fit their make believe delusions" - Democrats

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      “Necessary medical care – castrating and mutilating kids to own the conservatives”

      That's closer to the real Democratic motivation, and much, much more evil.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      hormone blockers and surgery are "necessary medical care"

      The double speak on this issue is off the charts.

      1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        And the insane logic as well.

        "Trans kids have always been a thing, and have always been in the world in MUCH larger numbers than we know because they werent accepted so never came out."

        ...plus...

        "Trans kids NEED these medical interventions, otherwise their risk of suicide skyrockets"

        Yet historically extremely sparse trannies (as it is actually rare), and somehow not massive piles of gender-questionable dead children, ever. Its almost as if this is a social contagion among confused and easily influenced and/or mentally ill kids, and is escalating exponentially due to the left glamorizing these people.

        1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          the whole tranny discourse is an exercise in doublethink. one contradiction after another.

    3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Not even necessarily the children's delusions, but exploiting some kids having troubles coping with adolescence into a radical ideology and permanent medical maintenance.

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      That is an argument I have made many times here in the commentariat. But, as far as I know, it is not an argument one hears a lot from the White House/Democrats/Progressives.

  34. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Once again, we see folks taking an idea that would be nice for businesses to voluntarily agree to and calling for the government to force businesses to accept it."

    Well, are we baking the cake or not?

  35. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    That means things like puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for minors are illegal, in addition to surgical procedures. It's set to take effect on July 1, 2023.

    No, it means puberty blockers are illegal for the purpose of giving to children who want to transition, but they're still legal for the purpose of delaying precocious puberty. They do have legitimate medical uses aside from the gender-affirming off-label usages.

    1. rbike   2 years ago

      This occurred with a family member who at 5 came down with brain cancer. Puberty blockers til 19. Do not believe that this is reversible. Permanent changes. She is currently doing well and working on finishing college. Mom wants her to move out.

  36. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    '"The ongoing vendetta between Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Disney escalated yet again [yesterday] when Disney filed a federal lawsuit accusing DeSantis of unconstitutional retaliation against the entertainment behemoth for protected speech," reports C.J. Ciaramella.'

    Does this mean Disney will come out as a champion of the 1st Amendment and free speech?

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      So long as you don't say Mickey M.......!

    2. Bill Falcon   2 years ago

      supporting sexually mutilating kids should be grounds for any corporate officer or board to be removed and deported. Berlin circa 1925 would be a good place for them to go..

  37. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

    I took a brief look at the new Bleeding Hearts Libertarian page.

    Ugh. "Progressive libertarian", what an oxymoron. Praises a couple of web sites, one of which praises Piketty, and praises Obama as being some kind of left libertarian. Calls the Mises Caucus takeover of the Libertarian Party a Trump takeover.

    Three strikes, yer out.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      It was just a few years ago jeff tried defending the socialist libertarian description.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Progressive libertarian is to libertarian as Bud Light is to beer, and Dylan Mulvaney is to woman.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      They are almost certainly an opposition effort in disguise, like the Lincoln project.

    4. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      Being that the modern prog movement is trying to do their best Mao impression, there is pretty much no way they could be anything near libertarian

  38. Cyto   2 years ago

    Users on Twitter use the new community notes feature to call oit union boss and democrat supporters who were gaslighting about school closures.

    Don't tell me that Elon hasn't made a difference.

    https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1651543599484481536?t=xIGoLyYyW8mxqUIhk6VF6Q&s=19

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Elon is the billionaire we dont deserve, and i'm glad we have him

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        Remember how Twitter was going to go belly-up overnight after Musk bought it?
        Sorta like Trump was gonna finish his term in jail, right Tony?

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Same here. Not a libertarian and admits he voted for Biden. But he's still done more for liberty in a few months than reason has done in as many years.

  39. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Ex-Producer Suing Tucker Carlson Never Actually Met Him

    "Lawyers for Abby Grossberg confirmed to The Spectator that the former Fox News producer never actually met Tucker Carlson in person while working on his show.

    “Like many on the [Tucker Carlson Tonight] staff, Abby never met Tucker Carlson in person because he taped the show from his personal studios in Maine and Florida, and he did not visit Fox’s NY HQ during her time there,” Kimberly A. Catala, one of the attorneys representing Grossberg, said."

    So yet more garbage lawfare from the establishment aristocracy. These people are evil clowns.

    1. Cyto   2 years ago

      There were some weird claims in there. She says he specifically directed the managing producers to harass her because she is a woman. Seems implausible.

      And she provides a specific example that sounds exactly like she was complaining to them about having to work to hard and too fast and they told her that is how they are expected to work. It sounded like she was claiming that "we work hard around here" was actually targeted discrimination against her.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        It was her time--of the month.

    2. Bill Falcon   2 years ago

      NYC liberal in the media. I would provide an analogy, where I grew up most of the police force was Italian Americans...now if one claimed he was harassed by the force for being Italian...it would be viewed with skepticism.

  40. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Leftist students call North Korean defector Yeonmi Park a 'liar,' destroy fliers for her event at Syracuse

    Carthago delenda est

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Ah, Cato the Censor, a man for our times.

  41. Jerry B.   2 years ago (edited)

    This should be interesting. A judge in Hunter Biden’s paternity case in Arkansas is requiring Hunter to appear in court to testify if the laptop is his, so the financial information included on it can be used as evidence.

    https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/hunter-biden-custody-case/?utm_source=actengage&utm_campaign=conservative_test&utm_medium=email

    1. Cyto   2 years ago

      Nice.

      I wonder if she is getting outside assistance with her case. This seems to be really popular these days, to have partisan actors intercede in a legal case because they care about the outcome, usually for reasons not connected to the case.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        There's no way some hoochie ex-stripper is getting that level of legal representation unless she happened to hit the lottery on accident. I wouldn't be shocked at all to find out that Musk or Thiel was bankrolling some of this, or that some high-powered right-wing attorney was providing pro bono legal advice behind the scenes.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Hunter is hiding out at the white house and the regime will probably make the case that his appearance would be a threat to national security or some shit. I hope the judge holds him in contempt and orders his arrest. You can bet that government lawyers are working overtime crafting new legal theories. This may be the only case that the DOJ can't cover up. In any case it is going to be a huge mess for the Biden crime family.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      That is interesting.

  42. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    "But 'Gender' and 'Sex' are two different concepts..."

    Later:

    Vermont school district removes 'male,' 'female' from reproductive system lessons

    "Teachers would now only use "gender-inclusive language" in these lessons in order to "align our curriculum with our equity policy," school principal Sara Jablonski wrote in a letter shared on social media.
    Terms like "male" and "boy" would be replaced with "person who produces sperm." Likewise, "female" and "girl" would be replaced with a "person who produces eggs."

    Carthago delenda est

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      What if my sperm identify as eggs?

    2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Soon to come:

      New Student: "My name is Margaret, and I'm a girl."

      Teacher: "How dare you assume your own gender!"

    3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      So we replace a one syllable word and a two syllable word with two seven syllable phrases that are just the definitions of the two words, except that "male" and "female" also apply to creatures that are not persons.

      The people who come up with these things are too educated without obtaining any wisdom.

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        It could be simplified with acronyms. Just sayin’.

  43. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Your Free & Independent press.

    Biden Cheat Sheet Shows He Knew What Topic Reporter Would Ask Him About

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Nice.

  44. ace_m82   2 years ago

    After thinking about this very long, I've come to a simple conclusion:
    People on the "Right", conservatives and whatnot, can make good libertarians. They generally can rule themselves through non-State authority structures such as the family, the Church, and community standards.
    People on the "Left", woke people and their progressive allies, can never make good libertarians. They cannot rule themselves because the only authority structure they can conform to is the State. If a group of Leftists were to turn to libertarianism, they would devolve quite quickly into actual chaos, and then they'd lift up a new authority (a brutal State) to "fix" it. Leftists eat each other, first figuratively, then literally.
    So, the best libertarians have the same internal values as those on the "Right", they just recognize the (massive) limitations of the State to bring them about, and that the State is power-hungry and as it grows it will destroy those values.

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Sorry, Mr. AnCap. The strongest argument Murray Rothbard made for your AnCap/Polyarchy is that: Welp! At least it would be no different than what we have now!

      Well, guess what?

      The status quo is precisely what legitimate Libertarians don't want!

      Feudal Feifdoms, Compounds like the Gratefully Late Brother Stair's Overcomer Ministry in Walterboro, SC, Holy Islamvilles and Islamburgs, Mafia Turf, Anarcho-Syndicalist Communes, and Neo-Nazi Ethno-Enclaves all would quickly become States, and unlimited States at that, under your little AnCap/Polyarchy scheme too!

      These are precisely what every legitimate Libertarian would like to avoid and get rid of forever!

      Take your Anarchopulco and go play away from individuals who want their Freedom with Enlightenment in a state of Civilization!

      1. ace_m82   2 years ago

        "The strongest argument Murray Rothbard made for your AnCap/Polyarchy is that: Welp! At least it would be no different than what we have now!"
        Source, please.
        My response to the worst case scenarios against An-Caps is that it will devolve into warlords ...so what we have now!

        "[Blah, Blah] ...all would quickly become States, and unlimited States at that"
        So, that's what we already have. Also, a small State isn't unlimited because the other States compete with it, see Europe.
        Also, there's zero reason to think everyone would do what you assume. The family, the Church, and the community still exist and have power. That power is taken by the State. Reducing the State gives them back their power. A new State would have to take it all over again!
        Civilization =/= the State.
        An-Cap societies have existed and will again in the future.
        Stop lying!

      2. Bill Falcon   2 years ago

        The Villages are growing much faster than say Chicago or Detroit.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Any libertarian society that became explicitly leftist would be an anarcho-tyrannic state, similar to Portland.

    3. Zeb   2 years ago

      What has you convinced that being on the "right" or "left" is such a permanent characteristic? I think that is true to a large extent, different personality types tend toward different politics, but there are many examples of people "switching sides". Some people can actually learn and change their minds.

      1. ace_m82   2 years ago

        Well, if you look at the "conservative" vs "liberal" value study, that's more or less what I mean by those categories.
        There are always exceptions to these things, but people who value non-State authority will, kinda obviously, function well in a place with little or no State. Those who only value State authority will ...do whatever they want with no regard for how they affect others.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          I just feel like making broad declaratory statements like that will discourage people who might have been open to changing their minds.

          1. ace_m82   2 years ago

            OK, that's fair. I wouldn't throw that in the face of a "leftist" who was interested.
            That being said, if they don't believe they should follow authorities other than the State, do you think they could ever be a "good" libertarian? Maybe they could avoid running into law enforcement in a minarchist society, but I don't think that's all that's required to be "good"...

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      People on the “Right”, conservatives and whatnot, can make good libertarians.

      Great! So why don't they?

      1. ace_m82   2 years ago

        I am one of them!

  45. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Actor Tim Robbins unloads on Democrats and media for abandoning free speech

    In the last decade 3/4 of the left abandoned any pretense of allegiance to the concept of free speech and liberty, and assumed the mantle of fascism as easily as an old coat.

    But it's important to note 1/4 didn't, and lately they've been some of our strongest voices for liberty and common sense.

    I think that we need to be careful when we delineate who our enemy actually is, and not just fall back on outmoded left/right, liberal/conservative rhetoric.

    People like Paul Ryan and Pierre Delecto are just as big of adversaries to free speech as AOC.

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      Wow when the left looses Tim Robbins you know they are bad

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      And those like Greenwald are allies in supporting free speech

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        That's why deplatforming seditious voices, especially apostates, is critical for democracy.
        - Every progressive

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          The SF Chron on the Twitter files:
          -----------------------------------------------------------

  46. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Genius...

    "I think it's very important...for us, at every moment in time and certainly this one, to see the moment in time in which we exist and are present."

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Truly the Daniel Webster of our age.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Waiting for Gettysburg Address 2.0

    3. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      No, see, you don't understand her brilliance, she's dealing with high-level issues. Because it takes several nanoseconds for the light from what you're viewing to reach your eye, and your brain takes a tenth of a second to even process the sensory input, it's literally impossible to view the exact present. We're constantly reacting to things as they existed some time prior to our sense of them.

      Clearly Kamala is speaking to the paradox of our existence that is constantly in the past, insulating our physical bodies from perceiving the present world.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Well when you put it that way...

    4. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      "Whenever we go, then we are."

  47. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    "Arcturus" is the newest COVID-19 subvariant to start spreading widely. "We haven't seen an increase in hospitalizations, we haven't seen an increase in any of the indicators that make us worry,"

    Nonetheless, you should still wear your mask, get your boosters, social distance and most of all, and this it the most important part, BE AFRAID

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      The even more important part: rely on government for your very existence.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      All government union members will be working from home until the threat is passed.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        You are implying that they ever went back into the office. This is true for some but not most

    3. Super Scary   2 years ago

      "Nonetheless, you should still wear your mask, get your boosters, social distance and most of all, and this it the most important part, BE AFRAID"

      Thank goodness my local stores never bothered removing the "walk this direction" arrows in the aisles. That should save them a couple of bucks.

  48. Muzzled Woodchipper   2 years ago

    SB 1's blanket ban prohibits potential treatment options that have been recommended by major medical associations for consideration in limited circumstances in accordance with established and comprehensive guidelines and standards of care[.]

    Notice how the DOJ will go to the mat for mutilating children irreparably, but when it comes to cannabis, all we have is a blanket refusal to challenge its legal status.

  49. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    "Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology devoted to the cosmopolitan ideal of maximum equal freedom for each and every human being," suggests Matt Zwolinski, who has revived the Bleeding Heart Libertarians blog as a one-man Substack newsletter. "My writings here will explore what this kind of libertarianism might look like."

    Then it's not libertarianism, dipshit, it's authoritarian progressivism.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      He'd prefer you be forced to be free.

  50. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Authoritarian Liberals.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/04/27/can-justin-trudeaus-canada-get-any-more-authoritarian/

    Canadians will soon be relieved of the stress of seeking out content they find interesting on social media. Instead they will be able to relax, while the government chooses it for them.

    While the ruling Liberal Party claims the bill ‘will not apply to user-generated digital content’, it rejected an amendment that would have explicitly protected individual users and creators. Creators are now understandably concerned that their content will be hidden away from the eyes of Canadians in favour of government-approved, politically correct ‘Canadian content’, referred to as CanCon. Social-media users have concerns as well – namely, that algorithms on their favourite platforms will soon reflect the government’s preferences and interests rather than their own.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Kinder, gentler, and more caring democracy.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Social-media users have concerns as well – namely, that algorithms on their favourite platforms will soon reflect the government’s preferences and interests rather than their own.

      That's not just an unintended side effect. It's the main purpose of the whole bill.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Remember that Trudeau received only 30% of the vote, and in the last two elections the Conservatives beat him. But he still gained power and is pulling this horrific shit.

      1. beko   2 years ago

        00

  51. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    "But the idea of using government to control" .........
    Wraps it all up.

  52. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Newsom lies and misrepresents the facts.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/article_4ae0666e-e46d-11ed-8603-a79ffba6a169.html

    When announcing his plan to combat fentanyl, Gov. Gavin Newsom claimed San Francisco has less violent crime than Dallas, Texas, and Jacksonville, Florida. He said, "Two truths can co-exist at the same time: San Francisco's violent crime rate is below comparably sized cities like Jacksonville and Fort Worth — and there is also more we must do to address public safety concerns, especially the fentanyl crisis."

    The San Francisco Police Department reports its violent crime data based on the number of incidents, except for homicide. The Dallas Police Department reports violent crime data based on the number of victims. To explain the difference, an alleged perpetrator may rob three people in an incident. SFPD counts this as one incident; DPD reports it as three victims.

    Newsom's claim would have been true if he said there were more homicides committed in Dallas than in San Francisco last month. When it comes to all violent crimes, his claim isn't accurate because the data isn't comparable, as the FBI warns.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

      And I’ll bet all the way up to fifty cents that the # of incidents is colored by what ultimately gets recorded as an “incident” after it's massaged by diversion programs and refusals to prosecute etc.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        And how many incidents go unreported?

  53. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    And Pritzker's 2A violation goes SCOTUS.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_865f95fc-e472-11ed-8d13-e72f72b4c54d.html

    Plaintiffs in an Illinois case challenging a local and statewide gun and magazine ban are asking the U.S. Supreme Court to issue an injunction against the law while the case is on appeal.

    Plaintiffs note recent Supreme Court precedent in New York Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen case states the “Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms.”

  54. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>"that denies necessary medical care to children based solely on who they are."

    who they are belies the necessity.

  55. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    When a majority want to leave, you've got a problem.

    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/policy-shop/the-policy-shop-where-have-all-the-ex-illinoisans-gone/

    We all know someone who’s left Illinois … or talks about it. What’s shocking is how deep the negative outlook on the state of Illinois runs. New polling shows 51% of Illinoisans want to leave, with high taxes as the No. 1 reason.

    These aren’t empty threats. Census data show Illinois’ population declined by a record 104,437 residents from July 2021-July 2022, driven entirely by people leaving Illinois for other states. Illinois’ population declined for the ninth consecutive year in 2022. That same new data shows just 41% of Illinoisans polled said they’d stay in Illinois.

    The top five states that drew new residents each had total effective tax rates of 9.9% or lower. Illinois state and local governments took 12.9% of all the money made during 2022 in the state as taxes.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Hmm. A majority wants to leave, but presumably a majority elected the people and policies they now want to escape. Perhaps we should build a wall.

      1. rbike   2 years ago

        I left twenty years ago.

    2. Marshal   2 years ago

      States controlled by the left wing are in terminal decline spirals. This is largely because they pride themselves on wasting other people's money as a moral good, and the policies they chose to execute this strategy have long-term unavoidable consequences. For decades they have committed to ever increasing but unfunded pension benefits for reliably left wing voters, primarily educrats and other highly credentialed but minimally productive bureaucrats. Since courts have ruled these commitments are unalterable these states' decline are not reversible.

      Illinois is in one of the worst positions, and since they can't change spending taxes have to go up. Do not let your children establish themselves in a blue state. They will be leeched from to fund coddled retired boomers their whole lives.

    3. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      A uniform tax code everywhere would "fix" that.

  56. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Most voters closely follow this, and hint, Pluggo, they're not dick pics.

    https://nypost.com/2023/04/26/most-voters-closely-following-hunter-biden-scandals-as-2024-nears/

    Despite the Dems’ best efforts to bury the story, more than three quarters — 78% — of American voters have been “closely following” news reports about First Son Hunter Biden’s scandals, according to a new Rasmussen poll.

    And more than two-thirds of voters believe it is a “serious scandal” that Hunter allegedly received “preferential treatment” during an IRS tax investigation.

    Even 53% of Democrats say it’s serious.

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

      Sorry, that 78% number is too high, unless I'm really out of the loop. I’m aware of the Hunter Biden story but to say I’m “following” it, much less “closely following” it, is nonsense. And yet I definitely know more about what’s going on with it than a lot of people I meet.

  57. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    The DOJ called it a law "that denies necessary medical care to children based solely on who they are." It alleges that the law violates the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

    Excellent documentary out of Sweden that was actually produced in 2019. The Swedish legislature was poised to allow bottom surgery for Minors as young as 12, and as young as 15 without parental consent. After this documentary aired, they backed away from that.

    This is an extremely important documentary to watch. While Reason keeps trying to make this a culture war between liberty loving allies of freedom to live as who you are vs Ron Desantis, this is much, much bigger than that. And much darker.

    There is a movement out there that is very crafty and uses all kinds of weasel words to redefine terms that should be very easy to understand, and they're not satisfied with dealing with adults, it is paramount that they get to your children at a younger and younger age.

    This documentary is in four parts and covers a lot of ground. Of particular interest is the discussions and interviews with transgender people who regret their surgeries. Your heart really goes out to them because there is no turning back once you go down this road. One of Sweden's most famous trans celebrities came out after part 1 of this documentary aired and spoke out about her regrets on transitioning. Several of the interviewed said they would have just ended up a normal gay person, possibly an effeminate man or masculine woman, but they wouldn't have carved their bodies up and been forced to live with the life-long complications from these surgeries.

    We're carving up gay minors and calling it "life saving healthcare". Don't be gaslit.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      In one scene, a young trans-man is being interviewed and he pulls up some pictures of himself as a young girl and looks on them with deep regret.

      He's clearly emotionally distraught and tells the interviewer that he I doesn't know why he thought he was ugly. He was convinced he was ugly, but he clearly wasn't, and now he can't go back to being that young woman.

      This is very powerful stuff. The healthcare system carved this kid up and pumped him full of life-altering chemicals claiming it was "medically necessary".

      I swear to God if Reason continues to side with this shit...

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        these poor kids are just sacrificial lambs for a deranged cult with higher goals. they dont give a damn about the kids.

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        Well, good news for you then! Reason isn’t siding with this shit. They never have sided with it.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Ask Scott Shackford. I think he'll beg to differ with you.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Tell us again how nobody's castrating minors, Mike.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      We’re carving up gay minors and calling it “life saving healthcare”.

      They are very crafty and uses all kinds of weasel words to nudge others' thinking indeed.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        It ain't a weasel word to call them gay. They were calling themselves gay. And there is data to show that a high percentage of these trans kids would have become healthy gay adults.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          To crudely summarize: What's the distinction between two homosexuals and two men vying off for the women's bed-wrestling championship?

          You say they identify as gay, was some manner of objective biological test performed to confirm that or did we just, under the context of rampant social contagion, somehow assume that the assertion that they're gay is fact but that they're the opposite sex isn't?

          I think you know where I'm coming from on this. I'm not opposed to two dudes (or women) bed-wrestling but the separate issue of compelling support for the obliteration of objective distinctions well predates, potentially inextricably, the recent "transgender panic".

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Like I've pointed out repeatedly, if gender is just a social construct, as the left and their chemjeff enablers have argued for years, there's no actual need to whack off your sex organs or inject yourself with hormones. You'd simply call yourself a man or a woman, dress the part, and call it good; note that such an argument actually reinforces millennia-long gender norms that women are supposed to dress and act like women, and men like men.

      Now, trannies don't actually do this, as evidenced by FtMs being excited about getting pregnant (if you're really "born in the wrong body," the last thing you should want is a pregnancy), or MtFs going off on violent rants, such as when Bob Tur threatened to beat the shit out of Ben Shapiro for not going along with his delusion, just like any True and Honest Woman would do. They've fully bought into the transhumanist cult thinking that you need to change your physical characteristics to actually be a man or a woman. All of this shows that the activists are simply exercising a moving rhetorical target to increase their own political power, not "save lives."

  58. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Reason should be glad it's not a UK-based publication. Imagine the embarrassment they'd feel over their Tavistock coverage--- that is if Reason's Barely Legal writing team even knew what that was.

    1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      You assume they are capable of embarrassment

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        I'm guessing if you mentioned "Tavistock" to the young local writing team talent, they'd say, "you talking about that boomer concert in 1994, right?"

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  59. Dillinger   2 years ago

    moe. show here tonight. if you haven't seen moe. live, go see moe.

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      Shit, I didn't realize they were still touring. Sounds like a good time. We seem to have similar musical tastes.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        I saw Umphrey's McGee last Saturday everybody should see them at least once too

  60. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>"Arcturus" is the newest COVID-19 subvariant to start spreading widely.

    Hank Scorpio on line 2, wants his project back.

  61. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology

    not certain this guy gets it?

  62. Marshal   2 years ago

    Once again, we see folks taking an idea that would be nice for businesses to voluntarily agree to and calling for the government to force businesses to accept it.

    This is a terrible idea. While many jobs shouldn't require degrees many others include include broad in-depth training it would be effectively impossible to otherwise test for including engineering, sciences, finance & accounting, and I'm sure others. What we need to eliminate is the generic degree requirement. /obviously government should never be involved in this.

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    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      It should be transparently obvious that ENB is taking a/the third-post, second-hand position rather than arguing against the proposal directly.

      The argument, IMO, comes down to essentially a UBI-style libertarian argument. If DIE is of primary importance and employers can mandate training, then we shouldn't need all the DOL, EEOC, and educational/student loan requirements.

      I don't agree with the plan as being great pretty much the same ways UBI would be ho-hum at best, but ENB's (and Reason's) repeated take of "If [freedoms abridged], then [abridge freedoms less/differently] = ban" is absolute and anti-diverse shit.

      The entire proposal is 26 pages long and the third-hand argument cites two sentences. The conclusion:

      The good of the American family is at the heart of conservative labor policy recommendations. The longstanding tradition of a strong work ethic in American culture must be encouraged and strengthened by policies that promote family-sustaining jobs. By eliminating the policies promoted by the DEI agenda, promoting pro-life policies that support family life, expanding available apprenticeship programs including by encouraging the role of religious organizations in apprenticeships, making family-sustaining jobs accessible, simplifying employment requirements, and allowing employers to prefer American citizens when making hiring decisions, among the other policy recommendations discussed above, we can begin to secure a future in which the American worker, and by extension the American family, can thrive and prosper.

      makes clear that the goal is not simply to 'ban college degree requirements'.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        The good of the American family is at the heart of conservative labor policy recommendations

        Here's a crazy idea. NO LABOR POLICY.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          I don't disagree. I also don't agree that we aren't going to get labor policy if The Heritage Foundation stops publishing proposals.

  63. Marshal   2 years ago

    "Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology devoted to the cosmopolitan ideal of maximum equal freedom for each and every human being," suggests Matt Zwolinski, who has revived the Bleeding Heart Libertarians blog as a one-man Substack newsletter.

    Since progressive ideology has never included maximum equal freedom for every human being it seems impossible for libertarian progressivism to do so. Since to progressives "bleeding heart" means using government force to seize and redistribute whatever they want it's hard to see any libertarian overlap no matter how hard Reason writers try to find it.

    1. Zeb   2 years ago (edited)

      Since progressive ideology has never included maximum equal freedom for every human being it seems impossible for libertarian progressivism to do so.

      How so? Libertarian progress is going to look very different from leftist/technocratic progress. As a desirable end goal of libertarianism as an ideology (not a political party) the description seems pretty good.
      And just to be clear, I'm not defending the bleeding heart libertarian. I have no idea what he thinks or wants.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        What exact progress does libertarianism claim ideologically? "You built that, not us." seems rather core to libertarian ideology.

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        2. Zeb   2 years ago

          Progress towards universal individual rights and a minimal state.

      2. Marshal   2 years ago

        Libertarian progress is going to look very different from leftist/technocratic progress.

        I'm not sure you understand what he's trying to do. I agree libertarian progress is very different than leftist progress. Max however seems to think they can be blended.

  64. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    "Libertarianism once was, and could be again, a radical, progressive ideology devoted to the cosmopolitan ideal of maximum equal freedom for each and every human being," suggests Matt Zwolinski, who has revived the Bleeding Heart Libertarians blog as a one-man Substack newsletter. "My writings here will explore what this kind of libertarianism might look like."</I.

    me checking out the newsletter, thinking "i wonder what kind of power this 'libertarian' wants the government to have"

    5 minutes later: "ok nevermind"

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Safe to say that no part of a radical progressive reviving a blog named for 40s-era political ideology isn't, despite the radical progress, *exactly* what one would expect from someone using those *exact* terms in that *exact* manner?

    2. Bill Falcon   2 years ago

      Cosmopolitan "libertarians" are degenerate cultural marxists. Cities are fecal pools of stupidity and authoritarianism.

  65. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

    "By denying only transgender youth access to these forms of medically necessary care while allowing non-transgender minors access to the same or similar procedures, SB 1 discriminates against transgender youth."

    Only in a fundamentally evil society is chopping off children's sex organs and injecting them with alternate sex hormones to treat a mental health disorder considered "medically necessary."

  66. Rob Misek   2 years ago

    Voting, owning guns, driving etc etc can be denied to children solely based on their age.

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