Anthony Fauci Says Don't Blame Him for COVID Lockdowns and School Closures
Fauci says public officials should have listened to other advisers and made better decisions. That's true! It's also incredibly frustrating.

If you're looking for someone to blame for the infamous "15 days to slow the spread" that turned into more than a year of shuttered schools, closed businesses, and fraying social connections, Anthony Fauci says don't look at him.
"Show me a school that I shut down and show me a factory that I shut down," says Fauci, the former White House coronavirus czar and now-retired public health official who became the face of both the Trump and Biden administrations' handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, in a lengthy sit-down with The New York Times. "Never. I never did."
The interview is framed by the Times as an inside look at Fauci as he "wrestles with the hard lessons of the pandemic—and the decisions that will define his legacy." But when it comes time to answer the tough questions about who was at fault for America's botched response to COVID-19, the good doctor is happy to pass the buck. The blame is spread around, not only to the CDC and the other public health apparatuses for which Fauci became a convenient (and willing) personification but also to the politicians who followed public health recommendations without any consideration of the costs involved.
Here's the most interesting and illuminating part of the exchange:
"I gave a public-health recommendation that echoed the C.D.C.'s recommendation, and people made a decision based on that," says Fauci. "I'm not an economist. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is not an economic organization. The surgeon general is not an economist. So we looked at it from a purely public-health standpoint. It was for other people to make broader assessments—people whose positions include but aren't exclusively about public health. Those people have to make the decisions about the balance between the potential negative consequences of something versus the benefits of something."
In a certain way, Fauci is correct about all this. He never called for the closure of specific schools, nor did he stand at the podium in the White House briefing room and announce which businesses could stay open and which must close. Those acute decisions were made by other people—by governors, mostly, but also by local elected officials and school boards. And they were made, in the case of schools specifically, with teachers unions weighing heavily on the scales.
Moreover, Fauci couldn't have made those decisions. The emergency powers invoked to require masks in public, to close schools, to require proof of vaccination, and so on did not grant the White House's top coronavirus expert any special authority. Again, it was governors and local officials (along with their dutifully appointed and confirmed public health officials) who made those determinations. It wasn't Fauci who kept playgrounds in California closed even after bars and restaurants had reopened, it was the California Department of Public Health. It wasn't Fauci arresting socially distanced beach-goers, either. It was local police enforcing local ordinances.
Fauci is also correct when he diagnoses why these failures happened. "We looked at it from a purely public-health standpoint," he says in the Times interview. "It was for other people to make broader assessments." That's exactly what many elected and appointed officials at all levels of government failed to do during the pandemic. Protecting public health is one important component of an overall pandemic response plan, but other things matter too: the economy, the learning loss from closed schools, the social effects of lockdowns. Too many public officials ignored those other things for too long, and we're still dealing with the consequences.
But while Fauci is narrowly correct about each of these things, he's also woefully understating the role that he played in creating the mess. From the start, Fauci pushed for the Trump administration to tell states to lock down. "No bars, no restaurants, no nothing. Only essential services. When you get a place like New York or Washington or California, you have got to ratchet it up," he told Science magazine in an interview in mid-March 2020.
Fauci also pushed back against evidence that lockdowns were causing unintended (though totally predictable) problems. A group of epidemiologists and other public health experts in October 2020 signed The Great Barrington Declaration, which called for a focus on protecting the vulnerable and letting everyone else resume normal life. Soon after it was published, Fauci denounced the document as "nonsense and very dangerous."
And though it may not have affected the public policy response to the pandemic, Fauci also deserves blame for his dissembling about the usefulness of masks and the origins of the pandemic. In the early days of COVID, he advised against the wearing of masks in public places, only to later admit that he'd been less than truthful. Later still, he advocated for double-masking, despite a lack of any evidence for the effectiveness of that strategy.
He also obfuscated about the possible "lab leak" origins for COVID and criticized anyone who believed such a thing. "They're really criticizing science because I represent science. That's dangerous," he said in November 2021 after several senators pushed for an investigation of the Wuhan lab near where the first known COVID outbreak occurred. Fast-forward more than a year, and the lab-leak theory has gone from supposed "misinformation" to being endorsed by the FBI and the federal Department of Energy.
For Fauci to now sit back and claim that public officials should have spent more time listening to economists and other advisers that weren't him is both true—they absolutely should have!—and incredibly frustrating. It's like having a friend in the back seat of your car who insists that turning left is the quickest way to get to the restaurant, but a half-hour later when you're lost and running late, he insists that it was really your fault for making the turn because you're driving the car. He's right, but you're still going to be mad at him.
They say that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Unfortunately, America's COVID-19 failures have many parents—they're just all absent. It's easy (and in some ways right) to blame Fauci singularly, but that actually hides a good portion of the policy lessons that ought to be learned from the past few years. Limiting the emergency powers that governors and other elected officials can access, as 30 states have done in a variety of ways, is one good idea. Throwing out (or at least refusing to promote) the bums who made those poor decisions is another. It would be nice if Fauci was singularly responsible—then his exit from public life would mean there was no chance this could happen again. Unfortunately, things are not so simple.
And, of course, we shouldn't forget the fact that despite everything—the pointless school closures, the livelihood-destroying mandates shuttering bars and restaurants, and the rest—America still suffered nearly 1.1 million "excess deaths" over the past three years, a total that exceeds the 1 million-deaths figure Fauci offered as a "worst-case scenario" in March 2020.
Confronted with that seemingly contradictory set of facts right at the top of his interview with the Times, Fauci replies that "something clearly went wrong."
He's right about that, at least.
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So we looked at it from a purely public-health standpoint.
And from that standpoint Fauci and is ilk were complete failures.
And his comment is moronic. No one makes recommendations in a one-perspective vacuum. It’s like saying “We should kill all special needs kids, but I’m only saying this from a purely economic standpoint.”
You're absolutely right. It is the leader who must understand that there is more than only economics that should drive that decision. If Trump took marching orders from Stephen Miller, Special Needs kids would have been turned into soap.
Stuff your TDS up your ass; your head is begging for company. And then eat shit and die.
I think he is actually pointing out that Trump did NOT take marching orders from one person as, in fact, he did not have special needs children turned into soap.
You need to read more of the TDS-addled shit-pile's comments.
It wasn't his job to look at the economics. If you injured and your doctor says to take three weeks off, your doctor is not responsible for your economics, he is responsible for your health. There was little if any guidance from the administration and so the health message came out strongest.
It is amusing watching the leftists here rationalize the past.
They’d bury it completely if they could.
They tried to with pleading for amnesty.
JFree hardest hit.
Three weeks to flatten the curve?
Wrong analogy. Doctors tell us all the time that the best thing for you health-wise is to do xyz. They don’t recommend a course of action independent of other factors.Fauci made flat out recommendations without any caveats. If he was taking a purely public health stance, he would have made much more draconian recommendations.
They also don’t treat you for someone else’s disease.
Are you talking about vaccines? Because numerous vaccines have been required for centuries. From school kids to world travelers to soldiers. Simply stating something as fact does not make it actually factual. I think that's called an Alternative Fact.
I think you made an assumption so you could use alternative fact as a word as it seems important to you.
That asshole is a TDS-addled shit-pile who seems to prefer the flavor of Kiwi polish on the boot he licks.
I'll play a bit of devil's advocate here and state that it wasn't necessarily Fauci's statements that are at issue here, but the media's deliberate gaslighting and narrative-spreading for the duration of the pandemic. They took a clear side that had everything to do with politics and nothing to do with science.
Fauci's obviously playing coy here, because he damn well knew what was going on and was happy to soak in the media's rimjobbing of him during that period. But ultimately, it's the media who are Enemy #1.
I would like to point out that Michael Smerconish gave a lot of airtime and support to the Great Barrington Declaration. Mr. Smerconish may not have been on the right network (he is CNN and POTUS) to get the attention of the former administration.
This is the most pathetic attempt at deflection I've ever seen.
Are you sure? We've got some real boneheaded lying piles of lefty shit here.
No deflection, fact. There was plenty of media with good ideas, but you can't just fix on one channel.
Oh please, name these "good ideas" and where they came from. I'll wait.
delete your account
This comment is almost too stupid to acknowledge.
It is the elected leaders who should be able to listen to various experts on various facets of a problem and derive the best course of action from those recommendations. The problem has always been that Trumpists look high and low for anything that could expose his own incompetency. He could have fired Fauci by 3AM tweet like he did did so many others. Blaming Fauci as the messenger is just pathetic.
Well, Fauci certainly is to blame, along with TDS-addled shit-piles like you.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Curious why you only mention "Trumpists" in your post and not Biden's doing the exact same thing. Why is that?
Because s/he is a TDS-addled shit-pile.
Fauci literally lobbied for government action as shown by the links below. He did it publicly and privately. He wasn't just giving advice or recommendations.
This is not correct. Almost all of the public health experts responsible for recommending official responses to viral pandemics for the twenty to thirty years leading up to the COVID-19 pandemic recommended STRONGLY for government to avoid draconian lockdown-type responses. Based on world experience with over a hundred years of pandemics they said that lockdowns would have little effect and that the socioeconomic fallout would be far worse than the virus itself. Fauci reversed that position with no new scientific evidence to justify it based solely upon political expediency.
"if he was taking a purely public health stance, he would have made much more draconian recommendations" -- WFT? why? for a virus that little to no risk to 90+% of the population. what koolaid are you drinking?
No, but your doctor will ask you if you can take three weeks off. And make referrals to assist you if you cant. At least good doctors do.
Everything the Trump Administration suggested was vilified and disparaged and because he did advise the opposite of Fauci he "mishandled" the pandemic and "killed people." Once again Trump was proven right and trying to deny what he said at this point is delusional. His recommendations were broadcast and discredited by the fake news on a daily basis. Most of the drugs he recommended that would cause deaths according to the left and their fake news has now been proven to be somewhat effective against the virus. If the governors would have followed Trump's advise instead of Fauci's we would have done a lot better.
Trump, is that you?
Cite?
Really? To take one example, according to your comment Trump has been proven right on ivermectin?
cite?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2207995
Your turn. Bet you come back with the studies regarding hospitalized patients despite anti viral never meant to treat acute cases post hospitalization just like vaccines aren't.
And what about all the times Trump flip flopped and played both sides? A person who has contradicted themselves cannot be 100% correct about everything. It’s logically impossible.
Which side did you agree with?
Care to comment?
As usual, with the government.
If he flip flopped he was correct more often than you Mikey.
If you truly believe following Trump's advice would've made things better, don't blame Fauci, blame Trump. Donald is the reason nobody listened to Donald. Had he not proven himself to be a self-serving untrustworthy liar, an unscrupulous phony scammer, racist, moronic Wall Street whore with an inability to run a lemonade stand (without bankrupting it), then he may have had the credibility as a President to be listened to.
So why have studies shown that the lockdowns failed? Trump got that one right.
Trump had nothing to do one way or the other with lockdowns. Those decisions were made at the state and local level.
Die.
"...Donald is the reason nobody listened to Donald..."
Quit blaming Trump for the fact that you've got the intelligence of a 13 year-old and want a daddy figure instead of an effective POTUS.
Fuck you with Fauci's dick, you TDS-addled pile of shit.
"Had the leftist media and pundits not gone out of their way via selective, hyperbolic and false reporting to falsely "prove" Trump to be a self-serving untrustworthy liar, an unscrupulous phony scammer, racist, moronic Wall Street whore with an inability to run a lemonade stand (without bankrupting it), then he may have had the credibility as a President to be listened to." There, fixed it for your. Yes, he had stupid tweets but if you look at his actual policies, you know the real work that was done, it was pretty solid.
TDS-addled shits have the intellect of a 13 year-old; personality is all that matters.
Actions and results should be ignored if done by someone the shit finds 'icky'.
T wa she’s job to tell the truth. His own emails prove he lied about a number he rof things. So how about that?
Nope. Uh-uh. The apologists for the monsters who perpetrated the atrocities of the last 3 years (Fauci playing the leading role, joined by Cuomo, Newsom, and countless others) don’t get to rationalize this away. I can only assume you were one of the loons shouting from the rooftops. There will be no amnesty for what these a-holes did.
The thing is, that Fauci and his apologists miss, is that Public health also encompasses everything he states it doesn't. Health isn't just avoiding disease, but encompasses social welfare issues, such as education, finance etc. That's partly why doctors and nurses ask questions about your home, work and recreational lifestyle. Because true practitioners of medicine understand all of these things are part of your 'health'. What Fauci just admitted is he ignored almost half of his duties by hyperfocusing on a single aspect of the pandemic. So, he admits he is at fault while trying to deflect blame.
The Great Barrington Declaration"
"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection..."
Fauci was warned and chose to ignore it.
Actually, he actively campaigned against it, trying to malign those with other opinions and spin things towards his own,
And suppress other scientists as we found out when Rand Paul questioned him.
Bam. Exactly
Fauci's duties were to be the figurehead and come up with a way to legitimize the most massive crime against humanity ever committed, planned by a globalist cabal to turn the tides from first Russian intervention in Ukraine+Syria, then Brexit, and finally Trump to pave the way for imposing worldwide progressive transhumanist dictatorship (as partially described by the WEF's Agenda 2030).
Fauci performed his duty faithfully and with enthusiasm.
They really didn't even do that.
Public health should consider "all harms" not only those from a single disease. And any responsible PH practitioner will consider second order effects from mitigation measures.
Fauci did none of this. He was purely a politician.
Feel the hate flow through you...
sarcasmic, serious question. I am not bashing you.
Were the lockdowns wrong after the 15 days to slow the spread initiative failed?
I don't have any answers.
I was just making a Star Wars joke.
You say things about everything, though, pretending you have ideas or something of value. But when people try to get actual answers out of you, you deflect like this. I know because I’ve tried this with you several times.
The question I was just asked was very loaded. I'm not answering it.
I may have well been asked "Given these premises, what do you think in hindsight about things you never supported in the first place?"
I should be telling him to get fucked. But I'm feeling charitable.
Ideas!
You should be begging my forgiveness, you little pussy. Or step up. You promised me an asskicking. So where is it?
I’m not going away.
You want a response from that creep?
Such honest argumentation.
Why not just go with facts changed. Everyone who was right was a conspiracy theorist. Seems to be your go to lately.
But you can never admit to being wrong no matter how many times it happens.
Fauci to America’s medical and governmental establishments: “Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Darth Plageis the Wise?”
Fauci argues for the end of Chevron defense. They are not experts. Don't listen to them.
Deal.
"They are not experts."
ONLY Der JesseBahnFuhrer is a TRUE Expertologist of Expertology! Bow LOW, peons, Heil JesseBahnFuhrer, and ALL HAIL JESSEBAHNFUHRER!!!
(Always ask yourself, "What would JesseBahnFuhrer do?")
Everyone is an expert compared to Sqrlsy.
Why bother to engage with the likes of Sqrlsy, Laursen and Sarcasmic? They are incabable of learning and recognizing their errors. I can mute them, but I still have to scroll past their answers.
Miss Ann Thrope is an ambulatory teratoma who should have been aborted! This TOTAL miracle (that she still LIVES!) will be abused by anti-abortion fanatics EVERYWHERE for the rest of eternity!
For the rest of women, get out your red robes with hoods, and-or your burkas, 'cause here (below) is what's coming down the pike... You may NOT abort your teratoma!!!! (Not till you're on death's doorstep, at least, and THAT is, if you're lucky!)
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Woman with Cancerous Pregnancy Was Told to Wait in Parking Lot Until She Was 'Crashing'
You kidding? Mother’s lives for making little personal snipes at our every comment, even though we all have him muted.
Inaccurately recap what other people have said in past conversations? Accuse people of saying things they never said? Put words in people’s’ mouths, then argue against them?
JesseAz or Mother's Lament? Is there really a difference? Never mind. Don't care.
Poor sarc
Sarcasmic and a steaming pile of shit? Is there really a difference? Never mind. Don’t care.
Stop whining you little bitch. Or do I need to wait a few days so you can afford some ‘liquid courage’?
So many ideas. And you two shit stains literally making up comments about those you claim to have muted incorrectly while complaining I make up statements about you quoted directly is fucking hilarious.
I didn't discuss you nor sarc. How pathetic is it you two continue to do this?
I like how citing your past statements with links is "inaccurate." LOL.
Nice take.
Fine. So be it. Hang Walensky too. Newsom, Whitmer, Cuomo as well. Spread the blame around, if you must.
Hang Mike Pence! THAT'S where it's at, MoonDawgs! This has been BLESSED by Der TrumpfenFuhrer!!!
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/jan-6-hearing-trump-thought-pence-deserved-chants-to-hang-him-aide-says.html
Trump chief of staff said the president thought Pence ‘deserves’ chants of ‘hang Mike Pence’ on Jan. 6, ex-aide testifies
Have you thought about hanging yourself?
The David Carradine way?
I’m sure he’s tried it.
That dried up drunk is a more broken down Oscar the Grouch. I doubt his dick has worked in years. Just like his drunk ass.
Plenty of blame to spread.
Ron Bailey at everyone else at Reason for example.
"Ron Bailey at everyone else at Reason..."
Ron Bailey spreads the blame at everyone else at Reason? Citations please! Or is this from your Perfect Mind-Reading Tinfoil Hate-hat?
Think that would be “and” not “at.” Reason was nowhere to be found during the 2020-2022 rhetorical effort against the excesses Covid totalitarianism.
Shillsy knows, but he's big on lying.
If you ignore all the times they were found there.
Cite?
I doubt there's a tree limb strong enough for Pritzker. The French might offer a better solution...
Inslee, don’t forget Inslee.
I won't...
I was led to believe he is The Science
No man may enter the kingdom of science but by him.
Amen
Do you accept Fauci as your scientist and savior?
Only if he is a Christian scientist.
Well, he held AZT back for about 5 years, so...
In the same interview Fauci finally admitted masking doesn't work.
Dude is a bureaucratic weasel. Note that everything he ever says is couched and prevaricating. It's all based on the idea of making everyone do something under authority -- disagree with me and you are anti-science -- yet never actually being 100% clear so you can backpedal later.
Here's the backpedaling.
There is a good reason why you don't let doctors and scientists formulate public policy, but a doctor who is actually a life long bureaucrat is the worst of all worlds. The same sort of risk-averse that epidemiologists are (they're notoriously germophobes) mixed with the type who would happily limit every freedom so that he can't be sued or blamed for anything that goes wrong.
And
to this day, their strategy of downplaying natural immunity (after the first month or so, when it was made clear that this would cut into Big Pharma profits) has totally succeeded.
Suppression of the FACT of natural immunity made Pfizer millions (or billions) and caused excessive job losses and damage from ill-considered mandates. Fauci was instrumental in the dismissal of the effects of natural immunity. What a scumbag.
That said, nobody in the media ANYWHERE ever mentions it when listing the errors of our "expert class".
Well there was this guy on Fox who pointed that out, but he's not there anymore.
Now why would Blackrock want that?
Like I said above, he damn well knew what he was doing, in that the media would take everything he said as gospel. So yeah, he's being a total weasel bureaucrat, just like they all are.
But when it gets right down to it, this all would be moot if the media hadn't gone all-in on pimping any narrative thread they thought would hurt Trump, and deliberately polarized the general public in an effort to get him out.
They, and the "cabal" that Time Magazine outlined in their election article, from the Chamber of Commerce to the DAs to the doctors to the tech companies including the executives all the way down to the janitor, are the ones who all deserve to be shoved through a woodchipper.
You're absolutely right.
I can always point to the vaccine mandates as one example (among very many that you know) of the politicization of positions. As soon as we knew that it didn't stop transmission the entire point of a vaccine mandate was moot.
It was AFTER the Delta wave that Biden did the mandate. Why? To appease the base. It was leftist religion by that point, even amongst the ones who said they would NOT trust the vaccine in November (including Harris, Newsome, and many other anti-vax democrats) it was how you set yourself apart. You wear a mask and you get your "fauci ouchie" so nobody thinks you're a trump supporter.
Masks, school closings, lockdowns, checking vaccine cards to go to a show... the list is endless. They did nothing, evidence shows little to zero benefit, but we had to do them because politicians can NEVER say they were wrong, and because they had to prove they weren't anti-science trump voters. Or something.
As the de facto COVID resident in chief, he has the burden to provide a list and '...prove how many schools he tried to keep open, considering there was zero evidence that supported shutting any school down .......' I can understand failure - it's unforgivable for him not to have tried.
He worked directly with the teachers unions to keep schools closed as they asked for covid funding. This included forced vaccinations of all school employees.
https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-anthony-fauci-schools-jose-biden/10108050/
He also mentioned shutting them down for RSV last year.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2022/12/04/fauci-fails-recognize-harm-closing-schools-covid-rsv/10812009002/?gnt-cfr=1
Here is Fauci working to keep NYC schools closed.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/01/despite-science-fauci-and-de-blasio-kept-schools-closed-to-hurt-trump/
Oh hey, Bill de Blasio! Another man that will get away with everything scott free. I am sure him and Fauci enjoy chuckling into their cuff-links at the thought of their lessers following their orders/edicts.
This is what I kept referring to as the "Circle of Unaccountability".
Fauci "recommends" closing the country (which he absolutely 100% did-- and wasn't challenged on that assertion when interviewed directly by Reason's own Soave), the politicians take the medical advice (after all, they're not doctors) and then point to the "medical establishment" as "following the science, and the science says". Fauci then says, "I only gave purely scientific advice, I'm not an economist".
But also, if you dare disagree with him at all, you're just a science denier. So even though he was wrong, it's still not his fault, because he was following the science, or something.
He's a scumbag and we've known this for a very long time.
This is another example of Reason's tepidity when discussing COVID policy.
Hitler just said "who will rid me of these troublesome Jews"... it was the guy who turned on the Zyklon B valve in the concentration camps who's to blame. So... like that 'friend' in the back seat, sure, we can be a little mad at him and all, but really, it's on these other guys...
Butt then “who will rid me of these troublesome DENIERS of the TRUTH that My Erections Were STOLEN?!?!?”
This is why we need to...
Hang Mike Pence! THAT’S where it’s at, MoonDawgs! This has been BLESSED by Der TrumpfenFuhrer!!!
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/jan-6-hearing-trump-thought-pence-deserved-chants-to-hang-him-aide-says.html
Trump chief of staff said the president thought Pence ‘deserves’ chants of ‘hang Mike Pence’ on Jan. 6, ex-aide testifies
Why are you bringing that up here? Trump just says shit. Are you just noticing this now?
Fauci at least can admit error. Trump can NOT!
OH WAIT!!! THIS JUST NOW IN!!!
STOP THE PRESSES!!! INSERT HOTTEST NEWS FLASH!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!
Trump finally (Sort of) concedes!
My most-senior inside contact at the Shadow White House has surreptitiously slipped me an advance copy of the ex-lame-duck POTUS’s concession speech. Without further ado, here it is:
Friends, non-foreigner-type True Americans, and all who Make America Great Again, lend me your ears! I come to bury Biden, not to praise him. Biden and his minions stole the elections, and we must dishonor that! To Make America Great Again, we must invent the most fantastic, fabulous, YUUUGEST BIGNESS EVAH SEEN, in the ways of truly factually fictitious, but Spiritually and Metaphorically True, NEW Republican ballots! Because I have directed My Generals and My Scientists to research the current and past performance, efficacy, and patriotism of one-party states, versus multi-party states. As I have directed them to, My impartial, unbiased, data-driven council of My Generals and My Scientists have determined that yea verily, one-party states work better! Therefore, we must all strive for the Glorious Day, when America becomes a one-party state, under the One True Party, the Republican Party!
But for now, the courts have sided with Biden and his camel-toe, and Antifa, BLM, and all the Marxist terrorists. We must let the courts have it their way, with mayo on the side. I mean, with Mao Tse Tung on the side, but without the Proud Boys standing back and standing by. Thank you, Proud Boys, for having stood by me. Also, thank you, Steve Bannon, Vladimir Putin, Kim Ill Dung, and Pepe the Stolen-Intellectual-Property Frog. Pepe, watch out for Miss Piggy, she and her “pre-nuptial contracts” will clean your clock, just like Melania is set to clean mine soon! But I digest.
So we can’t disrepute what the nasty courts have said, or there might be civil war. Sad! The courts aren’t very American these days! And if you don’t like what I just said? Well, I’m sorry that you feel that way!
So congratulations to Biden for having stolen the elections! This is America, so we must properly honor the decisions of the courts, in a dishonorable way! Biden can come and live with us in the White House, per the wishes of the courts. He can pour our covfefe for us, for Steve Bannon, Pepe the Frog, and I, and Jill can make sandwiches for us. We promise to call him POTUS, and her, First Lady! POTUS of covfefe, and First Lady of sandwiches, that is! Hey Biden! Get yer butt over here! Pepe needs some covfefe!
That setup will get us by for a little while! Meanwhile, we can schedule the NEW run-off elections, this time without any fraudulent so-called “Democratic” votes being allowed, and we can do this RIGHT the next time!
Meanwhile, congratulations to Joe Stalin-Biden, on being elected POTUS of pouring covfefe for Pepe!
Fauci hasn’t admitted anything. But you knew that.
Fauci admitted that "mistakes were made". I'll not bother to Google it (ye of the fossilized minds never change yer fossilized minds anyway), but Fauci may or may not EVER have admitted that HE personally made any mistakes!
Trump? Now HE has never even admitted that "mistakes were made" with respect to the claims about the "stolen erections"!!!!
I imagine your brain to be an environment of constant turmoil.
Have you seen a doctor for that?
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Just murder Pence and we'll make things great
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Squirrel Church blog needs to be redone
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Playing one of Tim’s flutes
Spitting out pieces of enchanted poop
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Same useless lines
And wandering disconnections
Making posts the only way he knows
Brain without meds
and incoherent babble
Goes on and on and on and on again
Feeling alone
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Salvation a la mode and PAREntheSES
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Definitely worth a nickel.
Fuckin' awesome.
This absolution for Fauci is claiming Hitler is innocent because he merely ordered people to "Kill all the Jews," and didn't say, "Kill Henri Levy and Rene Blume and Horst Rosenthal and Rosa Stallbaumer and.."
"It's the killers' fault, Hitler never ordered them to kill those SPECIFIC people."
Name one Jew I ordered killed... just one.
Again let just jump to the Nazis, I think you could do a better analogy.
Well you can look at all the OTHER analogies people have used in this thread, including trying to accurately describe the problems with claiming is just a guy in the backseat. But you don't like that we can play with the logic used to excuse Fauci and see if that same logical argumentation is so vacuous it could be used to excuse the most evil people in history. Because the argumentation actually IS that bad and weak, so you could use the same thing for the worst actions ever taken without changing many words.
at least a few of the nazis swung or cyanide’s themselves for their crimes.
The "friend in the back seat" analogy deserves the Nazi Analogy, because it puts in into stark relief.
No one is suggesting Fauci is a Nazi. However, we are suggesting that his command of vast budgets and the power to make or break careers makes him slightly more than "that friend in the back seat".
“It’s the killers’ fault, Hitler never ordered them to kill those SPECIFIC people.”
This has been used, un-ironically, as a defense of Stalin...
Which is hilarious because Stalin personally created the lists to go to the gulags. He sat in on the torture sessions. He ordered people shot for giving him bad news, and replaced them with people who would create the right misinformation.
I’ve said it many times. Many commenters here cannot stand Reason, or anyone, calmly discussing politics. They want condemnation and diatribes, and resentment and anger, and punishment and retribution!!!
No, we just dislike it when people who have seriously done significant harms, who are corrupt bureaucrats that have worked to discredit people for simply questioning them, have their bad acts downplayed.
It’s never made sense to me why a libertarian publication fears going hard after a career bureaucrat. An unelected member of the establishment.
They don’t “fear” going hard. It is not their editorial style to “go hard”.
It is the editorial style one wild expect from a magazine that is titled “Reason”, not “Emotion”.
That you say you want Reason to “go hard” confirms what I wrote in my comment.
You’re a sea lioning liar. No ome likes you because of that. Being dishonest and excruciating, while supporting totalitarianism has earned the hatred of everyone here. So own that. We all have a very easy time discussing ideas honestly.
You’re incapable of that. Maybe you would be more comfortable at WaPo, or Slate.
Again, look at their numerous J6 articles you retarded simping shit stain.
So what? Somebody calls you a “science denier” — Debate back in an adult and civil way.
(And, no, throwing tantrums and engaging in childish partisanship isn’t a legitimate way of countering being called anti-science.)
You people should be back handed when you mouth off like that. This country’s problems increased exponentially when we stopped.
I apologize for leaving you so deprived of some very important lessons.
Does debate back mean "mute everyone who shows you to be functionally retarded and a government narrative simp"?
Because that's your debate style.
Except that they then censored the "censored deniers" you idiot! You can't "Debate back in an adult and civil way" when the other side is actively stopping you, which we know Fauci was doing.
Yeah, the problem with his weaseling out of it now is that there was also a big push for "trust the experts". Which, even if the supposed experts had been more competent and had better information, was a stupid idea. You can't base public policy on the narrow expertise of experts in one field. Even if their "science" wasn't shit for the most part, science can't tell you what is morally or politically acceptable or reasonable.
I'm sure Fauci does know this in some way. I think I even remembering hearing him say something to that effect a few years ago. But he sure seemed happy to be wielding that power when he had the chance.
I’m sure Fauci does know this in some way.
He knows this in a very big way, which is why Fauci was so effective in marshalling forces through financial and career pressure to carry and propagate bad scientific advice-- or "policy-based science" as it's been correctly called. That man is a classic example of a very powerful, but unaccountable bureaucrat. He commands vast budgets and holds the careers of thousands of other people in his hands. But he's not legally in charge of anything.
"Circle of Unaccountability"
Which is similar to a government person saying: "I take full responsibility"
Which means nothing to see here, let's move on.
And the people to blame in that scenario are the politicians who took advice directly from a doctor without thinking about other considerations such as economics, liberties, etc.
Harry Truman had an answer to the “Circle of Unaccountability”.
You were in here telling people to trust fauci and not their own doctors for 3 years. Stop lying about your own arguments.
It's like having a friend in the back seat of your car who insists that turning left is the quickest way to get to the restaurant, but a half-hour later when you're lost and running late, he insists that it was really your fault for making the turn because you're driving the car. He's right, but you're still going to be mad at him.
What the actual fuck? Even my kids understand the distinction between a pilot and a navigator. It's not the driver's fault a wrong turn was made, it was the navigator's. If I veer off the road and hit a tree, it's my fault as the driver regardless of whether the navigator gave me shitty directions or not. If the path the navigator lays out is executed perfectly but doesn't get anyone to the desired location it's the navigator's fault.
Per your own statements, he wasn't just some friend in the back seat. He silenced other people in the car and failed at navigation by his own worst-case estimates. He's specifically responsible actively and passively for the majority fuck ups, well beyond any specific driver or governor.
If the path the navigator lays out is executed perfectly but doesn’t get anyone to the desired location it’s the navigator’s fault.
No shit. My father was a navigator on B17s in WWII. The pilot literally just steered the plane. If you ended up in Norway instead of Munster, that was my dad's fault.
Fauci could have, for example, lent a bit of support to the Great Barrington Declaration (quite a few epidemiologists signing that).
Instead, well:
"Twitter Files Confirm Censorship of the Great Barrington Declaration"
[...]
"Victims of Twitter’s practices include Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford professor of medicine and co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration (GBD). Weiss’s thread and The Twitter Files confirm what we’ve long suspected. Seeking to prop up Anthony Fauci and the lockdown policies he promoted in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, Twitter (and other Big Tech companies) intentionally blacklisted, censored, suppressed, and targeted the GBD and its signers..."
https://www.aier.org/article/twitter-files-confirm-censorship-of-the-great-barrington-declaration/
Now do an article on Fauci's lying on lab leaks. You know, so I know where that "friend in the back seat" might stand on the issue.
and hopefully find a way to prosecute for being intentionally deceptive for who knows what reason
https://reason.com/2021/07/23/is-anthony-fauci-lying-about-nih-funding-of-wuhan-lab-research-or-is-rand-paul/
Of course, it’s a Reason article so it’s dispassionate and balanced. That’s not popular here.
Thank you. I'm adding that link to my list of Reason's weak-tea COVID writing.
So what you wanted was childish invective.
>In a certain way, Fauci is correct about all this.
in a certain way, it's fucking disgusting to stick up for the troll.
Let's be REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEasonable about our criticism of the guy who likely architected this entire pandemic.
A man in a hot air balloon realized he was lost.
He reduced altitude and spotted a woman below. He descended a bit more and shouted, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”
The woman below replied, “You are in a hot air balloon hovering approximately 30 feet above the ground. You are between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude and between 59 and 60 degrees west longitude.”
“You must be an engineer,” said the balloonist.
“I am,” replied the woman, “How did you know?”
“Well,” answered the balloonist, “everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help so far.”
The woman below responded, “You must be in Management.”
“I am,” replied the balloonist, “but how did you know?”
“Well,” said the woman, “you don’t know where you are or where you are going. You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air and you are kept aloft by a complicit media consistently blowing smoke up your skirt. You made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect people beneath you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it’s my fault.”
That's really a crappy story. Who has ever heard of an engineer that's a woman?
If they identify as an engineer, you have to play along with the delusion!
FWIW I can see two right now.
I know. I actually have a lot of respect for women who go into engineering fields.
I just felt the need to make that sort of mean-spirited joke because of the "equity," push, where women want equal pay for allegedly equal work. But even though women are outperforming men in college admissions and most academic measures, you still have something like 78% of engineering students being males. Women are generally choosing not to go into high-paying fields where they're underrepresented even though there are no barriers to entry.
So I always have this "We need more women in X" or "Women are underpaid compared to men," burr under my skin because women aren't making the same professional choices as men.
“…Women are generally choosing not to go into high-paying fields where they’re underrepresented even though there are no barriers to entry…”
“During the 2019–2020 application cycle—the most recent year for which data is publicly available—more than 53.5% of applications to MD-granting medical schools came from women, who made up 53.7% of the number of students matriculating. For DO-granting medical schools, the percentage of female applicants was 53.4%, and the number of female matriculants was 51.9%…”
https://www.ama-assn.org/education/medical-school-diversity/women-medical-schools-dig-latest-record-breaking-numbers
Maybe we should have listened to Mrs. Fauci...
certainly one who can give directions.
I thought it was really apt in the context of "Knowing where to go." vs. "Steering the car into a tree".
to be fair, I can totes grudge the fuck out of The Science for the aids thing alone. praise be unto Him.
an inside look at Fauci as he "wrestles with the hard lessons of the pandemic—and the decisions that will define his legacy."
Were I religious, I would pray this disgusting sack of human debris squats in hell for eternity, with perpetual reminders that the entirety of his legacy is that he was never on the right side of a single issue.
I've lost track of the NYT articles on "fauci"... the last time he prevaricated on the "mistakes" of covid it was shit like "not acting fast and hard enough, not locking down enough, not being aggressive enough about masking, allowing too much misinformation, not vaccinating aggressively and quickly enough..."
No Accountability.
We all know this, but it needs to be repeated. If there is no accountability at the top, then law and order is a fiction.
we start by eliminating sovereign immunity at all levels. make these asshats liable in SOME way for their ineptitude, intentional deceptions, LIES and all other sorts of errors that are not honest mistakes
Ok.
Who's going to do that?
No one. So the only conclusion is that Law and Order is a fiction.
Plan accordingly.
Bingo
law and order is a fiction in the blue states certainly. law itself has always been a place where resources could force the state to make a case. poor people roll over from lack of money and stupidity
the courts. liability is asserted and adjudicated. the ONLY thing that power mad jerkoffs respect is the power of sanctions that hit THEM. we saw the CITY of chicago get sanctioned (sort of) this week for forcing vax's. if the folks behind those mandates had the same liability do you think they would be as strident in promoting them? i don't. y'all go ahead and surrender like whipped dogs. i will continue to support the IJ, the PLF, the MSLF and others that file suits to stop abuses of power. the wheels of justice grind slow but they grind small. the Supremes get it right far more often than they get it wrong
Well, it's a good thing we have the NYT to set the record straight. Fauci is innocent of any wrongdoing. The paper of record said so.
Fuck you, Fauci. You and Biden tried to force me to get jabbed or lose my job. Go straight to hell you weasle piece of shit lying bastard.
"When you are in a public health crisis, sometimes unusual situations require unusual actions," Dr. Anthony Fauci told the "Fox News Sunday" show. "In this case, it's things like mandating, be they masks or vaccinations."
Again fuck you, go to hell.
> You and Biden tried to force me to get jabbed or lose my job.
Don't forget Trump. He was there in the stew as well.
Umm what?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-publicly-defends-covid-19-vaccines-slams-mandates/story?id=81914671
Biden pushed the mandates. Local governors as well. Trump was slammed for being against it.
Brandyshit is a TDS-addled asshole; keep that in mind.
I don't but he didn't try to force me to take an experimental drug. The fucking assholes I mentioned did that.
Don't forget to stuff your TDS up your ass so your head has some company, TDS-addled shitpile
Nope, not even a little. He just came up with the vaccine when you and your oaks said he couldn’t. It was your democrat friends that tried to force it on everyone.
Wait, so your saying that Trump was president in spring of 2021?
...and don't forget the company you work for. They were responsible too. Somehow, they get a pass? BTW, did you get sick from the "jab"? Did it kill you? Have you gotten terribly sick since then and not recovered?
Most companies were just trying to get ahead of what at the time seemed like a pending mandate from the feds, although cowardice is by no means an excuse. Still, lawyers were scrambling thick and fast—so much of COVID policy was CYA.
Also, whether or not the jab is safe is immaterial. No one should force you to get a medical procedure against your will.
ENB slammed DeSantis for not allowing companies to enforce vaccine mandates.
https://reason.com/2021/05/28/ron-desantis-threatens-to-capsize-cruise-ship-industry-if-they-require-vaccinations/
No, my company was cool, never tried to force me and were waiting out the clock. And no never got the jab, had covid before the jab was available and I didn't want to get the symptoms again and already had the antibodies.
Do you mind saying what your job is? Or in what area at least?
Why in fuck would it matter? Force is force.
He probably wants to figure out which company so he can turn them in to the Biden administration for some retaliation because of their dissent.
Definite fed friendly that sea lion.
It is because he wants to nitpick whether or not that person was forced-forced, or just mostly forced, or given an offer they can't refuse.
This has been the evolving tactic of Mike. He has shifted from scolding everyone who doesn't conform to his (incorrect) view of the science to insisting that the government was never forcing anyone or anything. And by the way, this was after I called him on that fact.
Fauci's a narcissist and a sociopath. He got off on running a science experiment with 330 million involuntary test subjects.
Those acute decisions were made by other people—by governors, mostly, but also by local elected officials and school boards.
Also Congress and the President(s) who sent money to the states so they could "afford" to lockdown.
He will never face the music, because all the people interviewing him now are the same people who "just passed on his advice" during the pandemic.
The Chemjeffs and the Mikes who morally shamed anyone who didn't hew to their "scientific" conclusions now will tell you it is wrong to hold them accountable based on actual scientific conclusions. And they will show absolutely no contrition and humility as they do this. They will instead try to pick some other area where the science (for now) supports their moral preening and will try to get us to only talk about that. It would be tiresome if people like them, including the NYT and Fauci himself, weren't privileged with large megaphones in daily discourse.
The Chemjeffs and the Mikes who morally shamed anyone who didn’t hew to their “scientific” conclusions now will tell you it is wrong to hold them accountable based on actual scientific conclusions.
Even worse. They are claiming the moral high ground by claiming facts changed as they ignored all the evidence of the facts, then calling those who understood the facts over narratives a conspiracy theorist.
Each one of them, sarc included, have tried to state this. Even attacking people pointing out the 100 years if prior evidence and facts not changing and they were right.
People like chemjeff, or the NeverTrumper “moderate conservatives” who parroted the same lines the last three years, are ultimately jobbers who don’t want to do anything except keep their heads down and hope the mob comes for them last. That’s why they will always, ALWAYS come down on the side of those in power on the cultural front, and will never question anything these established authority figures say, both because their social status depends on it and because they’re legitimately terrified they’ll lose everything they have if they don’t clap along.
I envy Groomer Jeffy’s eventual executioner.
It will be a bear in a trunk.
That poor bear.
It's like having a friend in the back seat of your car who insists that turning left is the quickest way to get to the restaurant, but a half-hour later when you're lost and running late, he insists that it was really your fault for making the turn because you're driving the car. He's right, but you're still going to be mad at him.
I'm sorry, what if you're the OTHER guy in the backseat? You're not driving but you're shouting as loud as you can, "No, that's a wrong turn, you're going to park us in the wrong part of town and we're going to get the shit beat out of us and our tires will be stolen," and yet he keeps insisting you're both a liar and a racist? Even as people are beating you up, he's telling you that it's your fault for panicking too early, and that he really was right if you'd just listened to him a bit longer, that he actually would have gotten us there. And he worked with his other friend to do everything possible to muzzle you and shut you up, even trying to throw you out of the car because you dared try to suggest some alternative to the driver?
Do you not see how the innocent "guy in the backseat" metaphor is being insanely generous to Fauci?
As mad.casual correctly analogizes above, Fauci was "not the guy in the back seat". He was literally hired to be the pandemic navigator. Reducing his role to "the guy in the back seat as you and your college bros try to find a Schlotzsky's to grab a sandwich" is the exact wrong analogy.
But... hey, Reason's Barely Legal writing team. This is how people with *checks previous articles* vertical driver's licenses see the world.
Boehm's takes are not always bad, but when he has a bad take, it is a shitty fucking take. That backseat guy analogy for Fauci is one of the worst I've heard in a while.
Fauci was the bear in the trunk of your car.
https://reason.com/podcast/2021/10/25/freedom-responsibility-and-coronavirus-policy/#comment-9176512
chemjeff radical individualist 1 year ago
Here is a better bear-themed analogy.
A bear wanders onto your property and sneaks into the trunk of your car. You don’t realize the bear is in your trunk – or maybe you do, but you don’t care – and you drive around town doing your normal errands. Every time you stop, the bear gets out and mauls people, then gets back in your trunk. So, do you have any responsibility for the bear that’s in your trunk?
It's probably one of the stupidest things he's ever said here.
like bad wine it gets funnier with age
The bear stops with every vaccinated person. Stops. Cold.
We can't let this one die.
It just bears repeating.
His J6 trespassing take was worse.
chemjeff radical individualist 2 years ago Flag Comment Mute User What is there to talk about?
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From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers. Again from a libertarian perspective, the officers would have been justified in shooting every single trespasser. That would not have been wise or prudent, of course.
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They were all trespassers trying to be where they weren’t supposed to be.
I had no idea that trespassing was a capital offense. Does chemjeff wannabe statist need a reminder about the 8th amendment?
Shit, may chemjeff will tell me if I can I shoot the uberlibs who walk on my property with their little dogs, yakking away on their smartphones? They're trespassing.
But used in Unicorn Abattoir's context, it's good.
He wasn't just mumbling "Turn left ahead." from the trunk and every time anybody got out to look around and figure out where we're going and say, "I don't think this is the right way.", he'd maul one of them.
"...It’s probably one of the stupidest things he’s ever said here."
That's a VERY tough call!
I imagine Jeff as being someone that people who know him will cross the street to avoid talking to him.
It was said of Adrew Lloyd Weber that he asked why people hated him on sight. Like Jeff and the obnoxiously arrogant POS SRG, it was pointed out that it saves them time.
Lying lefty assholes gonna lie; why waste time figuring it out?
Boehm’s takes are not always bad
Cite? They seem to be bumper sticker takes at best. Usually fairly bad.
Fauci is probably one of the biggest fuck ups in the history of government agencies. and, considering the general nature of government, that is saying something.
it is nothing short of pathetic that he want to try and deflect blame by saying that he was only providing a purely public health point of view..... when his biggest fuck up was the shit he pulled with masks. he bold faced lied to the public because he was afraid of a run on masks that would make hospitals unable to get them. he was not offering advice based purely on public health when he did that. he should have been fired on the spot when that happened.
he lied about masks, and then admitted he lied to us because he wanted to control our actions. he pushed policies without considering the other impacts. he pushed back on the lab leak theory instead of just staying out of it. (lab leak or not.... it really had nothing to do with how to respond and so had nothing to do with his job.) and now he wants a pass by ignoring the way he stepped outside that purely advisory role he failed at.
Funny that the only time he managed to tell the truth was when he was trying to lie. There has never been evidence that widespread public mask use did jack shit.
Before KungFlu, that was the general consensus. When I was in Desert Storm over 30 years ago, they made it very clear that anything less than our sealed, filtered M17A2 protective masks would result in certain death if we were exposed to biological warfare. But suddenly, a cheap ill fitting piece of thin cloth is effective?
I will forever despise Fauci for the mask lie alone, but it can be argued that he did it for public health reasons - it was better for public health that health care workers get the masks. But it does show he’s a lying sack of shit (also lying about what % of people need to get the vaccine for herd immunity) so why would anyone believe him now? He only said he was coming from only a health perspective after he got drilled in front of Congress he never said that prior.
No the lie about masks was saying his first stance was a noble lie, when it was the truth instead. That was the lie.
Trump era, which flowed on to the Biden era, was to Trust the Expert. Singular. And Trump chose Fauci and had him there in his initial 24/7 blow-by-blow pandemic fireside chats. Even at the time I was wondering to myself how the hell there was only one expert to speak with one voice the an entire contentious community of epidemiologists.
As much as he was wrong, I am NOT going to blame Fauci because it was out culture that decided there should be a Solitary Strong Man in charge (Trump) and a Solitary Smart Man to advise him (Fauci). We have only ourselves to blame.
Difficulty. Trump also raised up Scott Atlas who was against much of the pandemic response to have the media mercilessly attack him for the non freak out views. The media has a large portion of the blame here.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/04/909348915/president-trumps-new-covid-19-advisor-is-making-public-health-experts-nervous
Facts are never your friend brandy.
The media, and the people pulling their strings, are the primary villains in all of this, when you get right down to it.
I agree. In order I would go Fauci, Media, Governors, trump.
Fauci was middle management.
Trump undoubtedly asked who knew the most about infectious diseases in Washington and he was given Fauci's name. Trump really didn't shut anything down. It was mostly governors, with Democrat governors being the worst offenders.
And the governors were working directly WITH fauci.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/507838-fauci-urges-state-local-leaders-to-be-as-forceful-as-possible-on-masks/
Yet we still see people like m4e, brandy, and jfree still trying to blame a singular person.
And
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/20/trump-downplayed-coronavirus-fauci-gave-governors-facts-column/5467859002/
I haven't yet heard from any self-described libertarians who
suffer from TDSare reflexively anti-trump explain to me, exactly what policy Trump SHOULD have enacted unilaterally which would have resulted in a non "botched" covid response.In my opinion, Trump allowed the states to make their own policies which was the correct response. Trump was trapped in an impossible situation with Fauci. He couldn't fire him for political reasons that are so obvious that they barely need articulating. But unfortunately, keeping him on was, ultimately a moral failing-- but in a way, a failing that had to be seen out. Had Trump fired Fauci, enacted a more rational approach of protecting the vulnerable, a-la the policies laid out by the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, the media would have laid every covid death at his feet.
From a political angle, Trump appears to be winning the long game here (even if beyond the grave): Fauci and his media sycophants were allowed to have their way, the truth is slowly but surely coming out and now we get to watch the Branch Covidians in the media and government try to uncomfortably wriggle their way out of their own previous political positions.
Lets start with not signing the CARES Act and whipping the Rs into fighting back against it (90+% of Rs voted for it in Congress). You know being a leader.
Well, thank you all very much. This is a very important day. I’ll sign the single-biggest economic relief package in American history and, I must say, or any other package, by the way. It’s twice as large as any relief ever signed. It’s $2.2 billion, but it actually goes up to 6.2 — potentially — billion dollars — trillion dollars. So you’re talking about 6.2 trillion-dollar bill. Nothing like that. And this will deliver urgently needed relief to our nation’s families, workers, and businesses. And that’s what this is all about.
- Trump signing CARES Act.
I am sending this back to Congress, and every Republican should not vote for this. It is nothing more than a recipe for social, economic and political ruin.
- What he should have said.
His veto would have been overridden and he would have been torn apart by the media for daring to veto it in the first place. Including our resident pedophile who raves about ‘Trump’s budget deficits’.
Right, so why did he say it was the greatest bill ever and say it was going to help people?
And him being torn apart by media vs the civil rights of every American; go fuck yourself.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, and then please fuck off and die, shit-pile.
There is A TON of revisionist history being peddled by the anti-Trump right on the whole thing
Direct quote. Your a fucking joke.
"Your"
Poor, pathetic little eunuch.
YOUR life has no value, and YOU'RE an enemy of liberty.
1) should have fired fauci, 2) should not have enacted eviction moratoriums, 3) should not have spent trillions on "covid relief", 4) should not have rushed the development of an unnecessary, untested and dangerous drug that was then forced on the country, 5) should have provided liberty first leadership that showed the country that the blue state lockdowns and forced mrna injections are wrong.
we can look back at clearly see that trump did a terrible job on his covid leadership. it's so bad that it disqualifies him from another term.
trump should have fired fauci on day one of his presidency. the smurf's record on hiv was clear -- everyone knew he was incompetent. trump also instituted the unconstitutional eviction moratoriums and spent trillons on "covid relief". the facts are that trump's covid record is terrible.
Don’t forget to stuff your TDS up your ass so your head has some company, TDS-addled shitpile
At least he's running from lockdowns and closures now. He's crafty enough to know not only to not own it but to not dig in like some diehards.
At least he’s running from lockdowns and closures now.
If running from a geographic location is to claim you've never been there, sure.
If you're dishonest, it can be.
I guess that shows that when you elect clowns to public office they will make clown decisions. Who knew?
Uh, Fauci had been working for the feds since the Nixon administration. He managed to fuck up TWO pandemic responses during his time in government.
Funny how the press is quick to point fingers when they alone are responsible for 100% of the misinformation. For anyone that has read an article in a publication on an issue they are very close to, either inside or connected to directly, the article is mostly old news, spun, simplified, twisted, an amalgamation of misplaced facts and assumptions, but mostly just plain wrong. Take this to heart when reading, no matter whom you align yourself with.
Funny how the press is quick to point fingers when they alone are responsible for 100% of the misinformation.
Bingo.
"Funny how the press is quick to point fingers when they alone are responsible for 100% of the misinformation..."
Where did that misinformation originate?
Not so funny that you spend every effort to deflect blame from the lying POS Fauci; fan-boy?
fauci completely whiffed on natural immunity and completely whiffed on the age skew in outcomes of covid infection
denouncing the great barrington declaration equals endorsing lockdowns
The stuff that is done as part of a declaration of a state of emergency is on us. Not professionals or experts or pols or bureaucrats. A state of emergency cannot be an abdicated responsibility. Grow the fuck up people.
On who?
"The stuff that is done as part of a declaration of a state of emergency is on us..."
No, steaming pile of shit, it's on YOU and your fellow chicken littles. You OWN it, asshole.
Wait, you’re blaming the poor rubes for listening to experts, government officials, and media who were all threatening and jailing said people?!
This is such an outrageous attempt to downplay culpability.
Watching everyone that parroted Fauci and the “medical establishment” trying to come to grips with the fact that the majority of advice, claims, and recommendations from the “experts” was wrong has been truly amazing. But blaming the unwashed masses is just incredible.
Those ‘rubes’ are the ones who are supposed to hold govt accountable TO US. There may be reasons (not very good ones but still – reasons) why we just abdicate our self-governance responsibility to a once-every-few-years election event. But the two big differences between ’emergency’ (which would include war) and ‘normal status quo’ is that a)the former is always considered temporary until it becomes normalized and b)it is never an election issue until well after the fact or after some sort of action is thought to be necessary.
The logic is identical to what we opposed re standing army. That you just can’t trust an already organized army to deal with an emergency without risking those actions becoming permanent – and hence tyrannical. Our solution back then was the militia – a ‘direct democracy’ form of waging war where the involvement of everyone is required to deal with the problem, hold everyone accountable, and keep all the actions temporary (because the militia’s goal is always to return home).
There is absolutely no reason why mobilizing the militia in a public health emergency like covid was a ‘wrong response’. Some of the needed stuff really early on – sanitizer/mask production, building ventilators/etc, building temporary hospital bed capacity, ramping up some basic medical skills to deal with a surge, mobilizing testing/etc at the local/neighborhood level as the virus spreads to a locality, etc. That is what a militia can do – AS WELL OR BETTER THAN FULL-TIME ‘PROFESSIONALS’ . The difference being that a militia mobilization – and hence dealing with the emergency – has a serious time-limit. The goal is to solve the damn problem – not stretch it out into a full-time career.
Once mobilized the militia itself is good at holding ‘experts’ accountable for their competence. The CDC, in particular, was blindingly incompetent from early on (Feb 25 2020 would have been the day when that became obvious). Now maybe Fauci would have still been – see microphone and start hogging it – but that skill alone is not particularly important.
Many here seem to think I advocated all sorts of policy shit. But THIS – dealing with the public health emergency by mobilizing the militia (and NOT the National Guard relic of that) – is what I actually advocated. It’s the same thing I advocated (not here but elsewhere) after 9/11 to deal with the temporary transportation security problem and the more permanent ‘soft target for terrorists’ problem.
What took me a long time to realize is that ‘libertarians’ of the ilk here really are so knee-jerk opposed to ‘gummint’ that they also are knee-jerk opposed to ‘self-governance responsibility’. They yap about the 2nd but they quite deliberately ignore what the militia really means.
"...What took me a long time to realize is that ‘libertarians’ of the ilk here really are so knee-jerk opposed to ‘gummint’ that they also are knee-jerk opposed to ‘self-governance responsibility’. They yap about the 2nd but they quite deliberately ignore what the militia really means."
It took very little time to realize that you're a lying, boot-licking pile of lefty shit who rivals turd for dishonesty.
YOU own this disaster, asshole!
So, it’s the people’s fault that they didn’t organize a militia to deal with the matter and in doing so didn’t fight off state and federal authorities and their power actions?
I mean, as a general concept, I agree with your logic on taking on more responsibility in the local sphere instead of shirking that responsibility off onto more and more powerful of governments who once have power, won’t let it go.
But that’s a general issue versus the current specific issue of terrible decisions and actions by the federal government and state governments based on awful and politicized advice.
Hopefully, but not likely, people will see just how awful the “expert class” and “betters” were at policy, foresight, and competence in dealing with COVID and can start to move towards a more local desire for action and control.
Problem is, the US public is about as apathetic, selfish, and as lazy as you can get and still be a first world country. The instant people actually have to lift a finger or spend time learning about something is the same instant where they become cool with the fuckups by those in power simply because they don’t want to have to bother.
I think it's helpful to point out that we can only learn lessons and change our actions in future if we take responsibility for what happens.
Blame expert. Shoot expert. Find another expert. Rinse and repeat. Not sure that leads anywhere.
"I think it’s helpful to point out that we can only learn lessons and change our actions in future if we take responsibility for what happens..."
You should be hanging your head in shame, but as a steaming pile of shit, you haven't the decency to do so.
Jam your PANIC flag up your ass, then please fuck off and die.
This guy is a 21st century Eichmann type figure. This article comes down way to soft on him. He will prevaricate and obfuscate until eternity. He needs prison time.
How do these people live with themselves? The next thing? All the media that proclaimed anyone that disagreed with this scumbag has blood on their hands, or were science deniers, or tin foil wearing conspiracy theriost, etc..... now, well, Trump didn't HAVE to listen. He had other advisors. Can't lay this at fauci's feet. Disgusting
This guy is a 21st century Eichmann type figure…He needs prison time.
I would be fine with Fauci facing the same punishment as Adolph Eichmann. Hint: it wasn’t prison time.
Holy shit
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1650885859275681800?t=0-CMcoSrXjTKaxhB1k4vBQ&s=19
Our children are our nation’s future, and they are in the hands of teachers.
This White House will always have their back.
Rebecka put the teacher's creed into words when she said: "There's no such thing as someone else's child." Our nation's children are our children.
If there's ever a statue of Rebecka Peterson, I hope it gets torn down because she owns a bunch of black kids.
Just remember that Biden doesn't even know where he's at unless he's reading it off a teleprompter. He's simply parroting what his rad-left staff are putting in front of him. They and the people in academia and mass media who share their values are the real danger.
I think it's safe to conclude "your children are our children" is a fundamental leftist tenet at this point.
A village takes...
Add that to the list of justification for cleansing the democrats out of existence.
Dr Fauci's message was about health and it came through because there was nothing else offered as an alternative. The fact is that the Trump administration was woefully negligent in its handling or the crisis. Blame is heaped on Fauci, the CDC, governors but not where a lot of the blame should be lain and that is at the doorstep of the administration. The former President's strategy was "I hope it goes away" throughout the last years of his administration and that is why he was fired in November 2020.
There was lots offered as alternatives. But Fauci and others worked hard to slander and silence them. There were many well qualified experts in the relevant fields questioning it all from day one.
There were alternatives but the people offering those alternatives did not get support from the administration. Instead, the President seem to go to the latest talking head on Fox or to the conspiracy sites of the internet. Why did not the signer of the Great Barrington Declaration get support for their ideas?
Your memory is bad or you're flat out lying. Either way, your post is nonsense.
I'm not claiming Trump did a good job on the pandemic stuff.
Everything in your message presumes that we didn't lock down hard enough, fast enough, or widely enough.
Most importantly you let the unvaccinated seek medical care despite JFrees moral pleading to deny them healthcare.
Not at all. What I am suggesting is that the country had a passive administration that delayed taking active leadership. We know that Peter Navarro warned the President well ahead of time. We know the pandemic was ignored by the President until the stock market began to crash. We ended up with lock downs because that was the option that remained.
Youre a leftist. You dont support federalism but an over powered central executive. Trump was right to defer to governors. He was wrong to fund those governors.
Spot on.
Trump did not defer to the governors, had he done so he would not have questioned Governor Gretchen Whitmer. You mistake incompetency for federalism.
Are you equating questioning the actions of someone with not deferring to those actions? If I say, I don't like what you did, but I still leave it up to you to do, isn't that still deferring to you?
Trump's response to his economic advisor Navarro after his memo on Jan 29, 2020. The president quickly restricted travel from China, moved to delay re-entry of American travelers who could be infected, and dispatched his team to work with Congress on stimulus funds. What he didn't do was panic the public by making all the warnings public. In other words he didn't talk about it acted.
The worst-case scenario would have been to have Biden in office when it hit. And there is no need to explain.
Oh yeah, and he was immediately called a racist for this response, along with Pelosi taunting people to come out and celebrate Chinese New Year in the streets.
Not at all. What I am suggesting is that the country had a passive administration that delayed taking active leadership.
Everything in your message presumes that we didn’t lock down hard enough, fast enough, or widely enough.
Tumor gonna tumor
By the facts and Fauci's own words the outcome with his involvement was worse than the "worst-case scenario" that presumed no involvement on his part. Failure by his own pretenses.
"I hope it goes away" is the CORRECT response from the Trump administration. The Federal government may have some role in early detection of incoming infectious threats and, perhaps, some role in emergency response planning - such as National Guard and Reserves field emergency hospitals to handle overflows from the hospitals and mass burials in worst-case scenarios. It should not have any authority under the Constitution for anything else. Trump may have mismanaged the COVID pandemic but it was not from failing to respond with authoritarian unconstitutional intervention in local and state affairs. It was from failing to control his CDC lackeys.
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No, we blame Fauci for being a lying p.o.s., a scientific ignoramus whose opinions on both HIV and COVID were fundamentally wrong, and someone who abused his government position to corrupt scientific research in the US.
Lockdown cheerleading squad: How can we make this about Trump?
Mostly by lying from the comments.
Yet, you control billions of dollars in investments in research and drug development: economic and scientific decisions. And through those billions, you don't just control what research actually gets funded, you also have the power to make and break scientific careers, and you have abused that power to manipulate messaging on "the science".
And, of course, "economic organizations" are no better at making these tradeoffs; we don't live in the Soviet Union and there should be no office of "economic planning" either.
It is the R&D funding authority of the NIH, the NIAID, and related government agencies and officials that is at the heart of this corruption of science and misallocation of resources.
And the solution is simple: cut these branches of the government down to tiny institutions with small budgets and no ability to fund research or subsidize corporations.
Fauchi was the face, heart and soul of Covid-19! The man is a typical Democrat, failing to take responsibility for his behavior, bordering on Criminal!
Would you expect anything less from a career bureaucrat?
How many people were taking Fauci's and and CDC's recommendations and screaming "it is only the economy!" when anyone objected that there were other considerations? Fauci basked for years in those people's adoration.
Yes, technically, he had no personal authority to shut anything down, but he was the public face of the lock downs for the country. He was the one the people who had the authority were deferring their decisions to, and he did nothing to dissuade them
What a spectacle of buck passing. What a craven.
If there’s anything the AIDS and Wuhan virus crises proved, it’s that the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases is inherently, structurally, and permanently incompetent, and should be immediately abolished.
So instead of Fauci we should have listened to all those who questioned the science and policies, and who were then silenced, attacked, and canceled as a result.
It’s what we do about it now that is important. Fauci, and every like him, must be removed. Then we can figure out what to do with them.
We didn't have the option to listen to those who questioned the science or the policies. In any event, the science wasn't the problem. Early in a new pandemic there IS no science to listen to. Fauci made stuff up to satisfy his bosses and his self-image as he went along. The policies were planned long in advance by the actual experts based on over a century of experience with previous pandemics. Those experts almost unanimously said, "Don't do it - it won't work anyway and it will do more social and economic harm than the virus will do." Fauci and his fellow bureaucrats threw all that out the window when the counts started rising.
No, not all of them. That’s a big part of the problem. There were (and are) a lot of sources of COVID-19 bullshit around. Fauci didn’t have that market cornered.
If you are going to oppose government-backed bad information, do so with quality information. Not nuttery.
What’s equally disgusting about Fauci is that he was also wrong about the science! The CDC should be one of the pre-eminent epidemiological resources in the world, but instead of following the recommendations of an entire generation of virologists and epidemiologists who were responsible for formulating the response plans of every developed nation on earth and the World Heatlh Organization for the next viral pandemic saying that draconian social responses such as lockdowns would be ineffective and do more harm than good, they immediately reversed course from either panic or under pressure from politicians. Lo and behold! The draconian lockdowns were ineffective and did far more harm than good, as predicted. So not only should governors and public health officials have taken other socioeconomic fallout into account, they should not have listened to Fauci and the CDC even about the public health issues.
I seem to recall the asshole telling R. Paul that in questioning Fauci, he was questioning "science"; I'd suggest Dr. Paul ask for a public apology.
Right! Science told us to shut down everything! Or was it god? What is the difference in that context?
Unlike Fauci, R. Paul is not petty or vindictive.
Roget’s Thesaurus has a new entry under “hubris”… Fauci.
Now this asshat is says he is not responsible either.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trudeau-slammed-after-claiming-he-never-forced-anyone-take-covid-19-vaccine
All leftists are the same. Deny youre at fault, change your past actions and statements, pretend it was someone else. See sarc and Mike above.
Blame seeking behavior seems to be a consistent trait for leftists.
Well he didn't force anyone to take the vaccine. He just made it impossible for them to live if they refused! If you don't see the difference, then you're way too out of touch with the modern world.
Still not clear to me; do we not blame him for lying about not needing masks, or not blame him for lying about needing masks?
Either way, I blame him for each and every part of the entire fiasco.
My summary remains unchanged: Fauci is a lying liar who lies about lying.
Tribunals for crimes against humanity. Now
Who's going to hold these tribunals?
Everybody currently in position to do so, every authority, every institution was 100% on board with the most massive crime against humanity ever perpetrated.
Trials won't be held by collaborators, and there will be no justice unless it's brought forcefully and directly by we the people.
Mr. Boehm, please add "dissembling" to your spellchecker's dictionary.
Well, perhaps we should consider disassembling the dissemblers?
"Show me a school that I shut down and show me a factory that I shut down," says Fauci, the former White House coronavirus czar and now-retired public health official who became the face of both the Trump and Biden administrations' handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, in a lengthy sit-down with The New York Times. "Never. I never did."
Show me a single person Hitler killed.
Absolutely right!
His cousin/ex?
I like to think he killed himself ...
If we are doing a Nazi analogy, Fauci is more like Gottried Feder than Adolph Hitler.
Screaming "Fire!" in a crowded theater is not a First Amendment right. Screaming "shut down" from atop the most powerful government in the world, or world's history, while that agency resists legislation against it's "recommendations", is not blameless for the consequences of following the recommendations.
PERHAPS, we Libertarians would endorse than all such statements from government are nothing but unenforced recommendations. However, the country is not at all Libertarian. Therefore, Fauci and other totalitarians must take full responsibility for their forced rules, or support the return of gothic totalitarian powers to the people.
While that sounds plausible, screaming “fire" in a crowded theater IS, in fact, a First Amendment right. That myth was debunked long ago. Please stop spreading false authoritarian propaganda – there’s already too much of it being believed by a credulous populace these days!
Pick an example of a COVID-19 related forced rule. It was probably imposed by a state or local government.
And Mike likely cheered it on.
Fauci may be an excellent infectious disease scientist but his role during COVID was that of an arrogant schmuck who basked in the WaPo, NPR, NYT and their audience worship of him because they saw him as one of them and an anti-Trump. He did not actually do anything to help better understand the virus itself and how it spreads.
He did not actually do anything to help better understand the virus itself and how it spreads.
He got to see his creation released in the wild. I think he has an excellent understanding of the virus itself.
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I don't care what lying Dr. Death Fauci says, I am blaming him for the damage he wrecked on the people and economy.
"They're really criticizing science because I represent science. That's dangerous,"
Some creepy Star Wars vibes, "I AM the Senate!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtaEdpEuOyE
l'état, c'est moi.
the smurf belongs in prison
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There is plenty of videos out there with Fauci advocating for more lockdowns.
When Fauci is behind prison bars, justice will have been done.
If Fauci has no responsibility for school COVID lockdowns, then Trump has no responsibility for Jan 6 riots. Either the words of leaders matter or they don't.
Schools followed CDC guidance which was directed by Fauci.
He should own up to his overzealous rigor, but he is not man enough to do so. Similarly, Biden is just as responsible since Fauci is counsel to the President, not President. Biden should have weighed all factors and got our children back into school much faster. Yay for Florida --- where Democrats go to get away from the mess they created.
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Is ‘prison bars’ a euphemism for ‘death by slow torture’? Because if so, count me in!
What crime would he be charged with?
Any time there is a multifaceted problem it is incumbent on the leaders to listen to the experts on the various facets of the problem and then synthesize a policy based on those recommendations. Blaming a single expert for your leader's inability to synthesize anything at all is on your boy. Continuing to blame an infectious disease expert for making recommendations based solely on his sphere of understanding is just lazy scapegoating. Grow the fuck up. "Party of personal responsibility" my ass. Lazy fucks.
The guilty parties in a million or more excess deaths in America during the past few years, not to mention the millions still disabled by "long COVID", are those who take Libertarian ideas too far. As my dad told me many years ago, "Your freedom to swing your arm ends where your neighbor's face begins!" In retrospect, it is very clear that we could have saved a million lives with proper use of face masks and lining up to get the new vaccines and boosters as soon as they became available (as I and my wife did, and I STILL haven't caught COVID). Propaganda to the contrary of what I just said is coming from foreign enemies and their poorly-educated American dupes.
I have anecdotes too. I haven't been vaccinated and have never had covid. Everyone I know who is has had it, many of them multiple times.
You might have had an excuse for believing that two years ago, but we now know that masks made little difference and the vaccines were never going to work the way we hoped they would. I was optimistic about the vaccines at first too, but you need to update your beliefs when actual evidence becomes available.
"The guilty parties in a million or more excess deaths in America during the past few years, not to mention the millions still disabled by “long COVID”, are those who take Libertarian ideas too far..."
Eat shit and die, bootlicker.
You seriously need to update your research of the latest news on facemasks. Hint, they did very little. Even N95s. Most users didn't wear them effectively or properly and if you had a mask that prevented virus transmission, it would have been very difficult to breathe. They are sort of like using a chain link fence to stop mosquitos. They catch most of the liquid in large droplets but that's about it.
"What crime would he be charged with?"
Lying to congress for starters, TDS-addled shit-pile.
Yeah, Trump fucked up by keeping Fauci around. He's lazy like that.
BUT... Fauci actively kept information from the public by withholding funding and attacking dissenters. His name is on the Moderna patent. He did what he was told to do by those in charge of distributing this military countermeasure and the world is worse off for it.
Crime against humanity.
You are projecting your own ignorance on others.
Lying to Congress; and perjury.
"If Fauci has no responsibility for school COVID lockdowns, then Trump has no responsibility for Jan 6 riots. Either the words of leaders matter or they don’t..."
One of those is not like the other, but TDS-addled piles of shit wouldn't understand, TDS-addled pile of shit.