Fox News Starts Its Dominion Defamation Trial With Several Strikes Against It
Pretrial rulings recognized the falsity of the election-fraud claims that the outlet aired and rejected three of its defenses.

In a trial that begins on Monday, Dominion Voting Systems will seek to hold Fox News liable for airing statements that falsely implicated the company in a massive fraud that supposedly delivered a phony victory to Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election. That task will be easier thanks to pretrial rulings that recognized the falsity of those statements and rejected three Fox defenses.
"The question of falsity is whether the content of the allegations was true, not whether Fox truthfully republished the allegations," Delaware Superior Court Judge Eric M. Davis said when he rejected Fox's motion for summary judgment on March 31. "Through its extensive proof, Dominion has met its burden of showing there is no genuine issue of material fact as to falsity….The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that [it] is CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true."
As Davis noted, Fox guests and hosts falsely claimed that "Dominion committed election fraud"; that it "manipulated vote counts through its software and algorithms"; that it was "founded in Venezuela to rig elections for dictator Hugo Chavez"; and that it "paid kickbacks to government officials who used [its] machines in the Election." Those statements are "defamatory per se," Davis ruled, because they "strike at the basic integrity of [Dominion's] business" and "seem to charge Dominion with the serious crime of election fraud."
Fox News, relying on case law in its home state of New York, argued that its airing of false claims about Dominion was protected by a "neutral report privilege" that applies to coverage of newsworthy allegations. Since the president himself was claiming that Dominion had helped Biden steal the election, Fox said, it made sense to interview his representatives, such as lawyers Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, about that conspiracy theory. But Davis concluded that New York's highest court had rejected the privilege that Fox asserted.
Fox also argued that its presentation of Powell and Giuliani's allegations qualified as a "fair report" about judicial proceedings. That privilege, Davis ruled, "fails to shield Fox from liability."
Davis noted that "most of the contested statements were made before any lawsuit had been filed in a court." Just one of the statements, made on the November 30, 2020, broadcast of the Fox Business show Lou Dobbs Tonight, "references an official proceeding, and therefore only that allegation can be tested for the privilege," Davis wrote. And "because the fair report privilege only applies to substantially accurate reports about proceedings, not the underlying facts, the statement fails."
During that show, Davis noted, Powell "alleged that 'all the machines are infected with the software code that allows Dominion to share votes' and called it 'the most massive and historical egregious fraud the world has ever seen.' Because the statements do not concern official proceedings, the fair report privilege should not apply."
Finally, Fox argued that statements by hosts like Dobbs, who repeatedly lent credence to Powell's claims, were constitutionally protected expressions of opinion. Not so, said Davis. In an appendix, he went through all the relevant broadcasts, showing that statements Fox described as opinions included assertions of fact or were based on supposed evidence that neither Powell nor Giuliani ever produced.
"The Statements were capable of being proven true, and in fact the evidence that would prove the Statements was discussed many times (but never presented)," Davis wrote. "Moreover, the context supports the position that the Statements were not pure opinion where they were made by newscasters holding themselves out to be sources of accurate information." He added that "it appears oxymoronic to call the Statements 'opinions' while also asserting the Statements are newsworthy allegations and/or substantially accurate reports of official proceedings."
The main issues that Davis left for the jury are 1) who was responsible for airing the false and inherently defamatory statements about Dominion and 2) whether they acted with "actual malice," meaning they knew the statements were false or recklessly disregarded that likelihood. Dominion argues that Fox executives, producers, and hosts all bear some responsibility and that they either knew or should have known there was no factual basis for Powell and Giuliani's claims.
Davis said those are matters of fact to be determined by the jury. But he also said cases cited by Fox "do not establish a rule that the only relevant inquiry is to the actual malice of the speaker and not the employees responsible for publication."
As Davis noted, Dominion has presented evidence that many people at Fox were either skeptical of the claims about the company or dismissed them outright. Ten days after the election, Fox's fact-checking "Brainroom" said there was "no evidence of widespread fraud" and "no credible reports or evidence of any software issues." It added that "claims about Dominion switching or deleting votes are 100% false" and called assertions about supposedly deleted Trump votes "mathematically impossible."
Six days later, Fox Corporation Chairman Rupert Murdoch privately called the story "really crazy stuff." That same day in a text conversation with fellow Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson flatly stated that "Sidney Powell is lying." Ingraham agreed that Powell could not be trusted: "Sidney is a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy." In a deposition, Fox News host Sean Hannity said he "did not believe" Powell's claims "for a second."
In response to a post-election tweet about "vote dumping" from Maria Bartiromo, fellow Fox News host Bret Baier told Jay Wallace, president and executive editor at Fox News and Fox Business, "none of [it] is true as far as we can tell." In a December 1 email, Baier said Powell's claims "can't be remotely true." Lucas Tomlinson, another Fox reporter, responded that the allegations were "100% not true" and "complete bullshit."
Gary Schreier, second in command at Fox Business, "believed the allegations were false at the time of airing," Davis noted. John Fawcett, an associate producer for Lou Dobbs Tonight, told colleagues that Powell seemed to be "doing lsd and cocaine and heroin and shrooms." In a text to Dobbs, Fawcett suggested that Powell "could be losing her mind." He noted that her story "doesn't make sense" and added, "I just don't think she is verifying anything she is saying." Tiffany Fazio, executive producer of Hannity's show, called Giuliani's account of systematic election fraud "comic book stuff."
Dominion will try to persuade the jury that executives and producers who made such statements should be held responsible for allowing Powell and Giuliani to spout defamatory nonsense. It also will argue that the hosts who gave them a forum should have known better.
"In response to text messages and emails of various FNN [Fox News Network] employees questioning the veracity of the claims," Davis noted, "FNN has generally the same answer to all: FNN was waiting for the evidence. Because the election results would be verified in mid-December, FNN employees believed this was an appropriate length of time to wait and see if that evidence came to light."
Fox also argues that Dobbs and Bartiromo, both of whom seemed to accept Powell and Giuliani's tall tale, were true believers. "Ms. Bartiromo testified that she 'cannot sit here and say [she knows] what happened in the election even to this day,'" Davis noted, quoting Fox's lawyers. "Similarly, Mr. Dobbs still believes the election was stolen."
As Fox sees it, the implication is that Dobbs and Bartiromo neither knew the Dominion story was false nor promoted it "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not." The latter requires that they "entertained serious doubts as to the truth of [the] publication or had a high degree of awareness of [its] probable falsity." And while other employees were less credulous, Fox argues, it was reasonable for them to keep giving Powell and Giuliani a forum until it was clear that they had no evidence to support their claims.
In Fox's telling, that happened by mid-December. But the internal communications highlighted by Dominion suggest the reckoning could and should have come sooner.
"Dominion's lawsuit is a political crusade in search of a financial windfall, but the real cost would be cherished First Amendment rights," Fox said in an emailed statement today. "While Dominion has pushed irrelevant and misleading information to generate headlines, FOX News remains steadfast in protecting the rights of a free press, given a verdict for Dominion and its private equity owners would have grave consequences for the entire journalism profession."
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Do I have to post that CNN link where CNN mocked Fox News for losing viewers because Fox News was refusing to accept the election fraud narrative to the consternation of their mouth-breathing audiences?
Don’t waste it on us.
Let the judge know. I’m sure he’ll throw the case out. Fox should have hired you instead of the lawyers they have ‘cause you came up with this brilliant defense while their lawyers dropped the ball.
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Hey faggot, why don’t you fuck off? You have nothing to add, and are a notorious lying, sea lioning, democrat shill.
Yes, that sounds relevant.
Not sure to what, but you'll think of something!
Yeah, FOX News caught wind of that too, which is why they so feverishly backtracked on reporting the truth. It's all in the texts and emails.
Sure it is faggot, sure it is.
The Right needs to at least acknowledge the evidence that this ring might in fact keep tigers away.
I see defamation lawsuits are now a good thing.
It's happening to the right people, so it's good.
Yes, but orangemanisverybad.
If Fox is guilty here, then MSNBC, CNN, etc. should all have to lay out billions to Trump, and other republicans for their ongoing lies.
Delusional, bigoted, half-educated, disaffected, gullible Trump fans are among my favorite culture war casualties.
Carry on, clingers . . . so far as your betters permit, and not a step beyond.
As usual, Artie has nothing to add to the conversation except a stream of bigoted verbiage excreting from his keyboard in a torrent of anger and frustration at the simple fact he can't be better than his actual betters here.
That doesn’t even make sense. You’re a ducking retard. Just like all of you bitter Klingers.
Actual malice = nearly impossible to prove
Damages = $0.00
It’s clown world though.
If "actual malice" can be what the article said it was (knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard of its falsity), then your confidence is probably misplaced. This case will never get to the jury.
If Zimmerman couldn't win against NBC I'm a little unclear on how Dominion is going to win against FOX, but then again as others have said it is Clown World.
I’m old enough to remember what every Elected Democrat said about Diebold voting machines and the 2004 election being stolen in Ohio and how HBO won an Emmy for saying so
Toning really says ‘democrat’ like shameless hypocrisy.
Sounds to me like they're well on their way to proving it. Fox was spewing bullshit, even though they themselves believed it was bullshit.
When you take away the courts, now completely corrupted, as an option to hold totalitarian liars like Sullum accountable, what other consequences can be delivered?
I can think of a few.
Don’t get all glowy on me.
One radical option you might look at would be to stop the pain Sullum is inflicting upon you, and stop reading him? Just trying to help a brother out...
They're masochists. A regular dose of pain is the only way they can maintain their hate boners.
I believe Misek proposed a solution in a different thread
Was it final?
"Pretrial rulings recognized the falsity of the election-fraud claims"
This is such a sinister statement, but here it is, in the headline for an article of a "libertarian" magazine.
If the judge is wrong, Fox will have a great opportunity for appeal.
All of us living in the reality-based community recognize the falsity of the fraud claims.
There are plenty here who stubbornly cling to the belief that Trump didn't lose. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
I thought defamation suits against journalists was an attack on free speech.
Also, isn’t Dominion the company that Democrats were lambasting a scant 6 years ago?
Yes, but the donations finally kicked in.
Which journalist is implicated here?
See, FOX News even has you confused into thinking its a journalistic outfit. Maybe you should sue.
Oh, so they are infotainment like MSNBC then. Guess whatever bullshit some guests says on air shouldn’t be taken seriously and the case should be dismissed.
Thanks for playing Tonster.
No, you’re just stupid Tony. You’re a really dumb cunt that just pukes up whatever pablum your Marxist masters shove down your throat.
That’s really all there is to you. That and being used as a human pin cushion down at your local bathhouse.
With the defamation suit against Fox News by Dominion getting under way soon, let me state the following.
Many libertarians, such as myself, oppose defamation laws altogether as they pretend to be EXCEPTIONS to freedom of speech and the press.
Why should a libertarian oppose defamation laws? On the principle of "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins", laws against wrongfully damaging someone's reputation seem every bit as valid as laws against wrongfully damaging someone's body or property.
Suppose, for instance, that I'm one of two applicants for a position working with children—say, teaching at a private school. To give myself an advantage, I deliberately spread a rumor, backed by manufactured evidence, that the other applicant has been credibly accused of sexually abusing small children. The school doesn't have unlimited resources to spend investigating this rumor, so they play it safe and hire me.
In the absence of laws allowing civil action for defamation, what recourse does my victim have?
What was the damage here? Most libertarians believe in voicing more opinion, not using torts to silence people.
I don't think Dominion will have much difficulty proving its business has been damaged, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
How? What damage? The democrats couldn’t be more pleased with Dominion’s results.
Because there is a difference between your deliberately spreading a falsehood for the specific purpose of falsely damaging another person’s reputation maliciously; and reporting those claims. In the case of this lawsuit, the plaintiffs seem to be accusing a news organization of libel or defamation because they REPORTED that someone else was making those claims. The judge in this case dismissed before the trial even began the only possible defense that could be used by defendants! Surely the difference between making false claims maliciously and reporting those claims, whether false or not, made by others is something for a jury to decide, not dismissed before being considered by the jury.
When one side has all the evidence and the other has none, it isn't unreasonable to say, "you can't make false claims to defend makong false claims"."
No, because you can't own your reputation. Reputation is not property. Your reputation is something that sits in other people's brains. By claiming to own your reputation you essentially claim to own other people.
Defamation laws also make it harder to defend against defamation, because people assume that the allegation must be right if you don't sue. So it essentially forces you to go to court to prove your innocence.
Without defamation laws people wouldn't just believe everything others say, because they'd know it could be a lie.
True freedom always includes the freedom to take the consequences of your actions, for good or ill. I don't see how it advances freedom or the public good to allow people to knowingly lie with impunity.
True freedom always includes the freedom to take the consequences of your actions, for good or ill. I don’t see how it advances freedom or the public good to allow people to knowingly lie with impunity.
That's because you're a leftist.
There is no such thing as 'the public good'. The term is used when collectivists want to hurt someone so they can benefit.
Investigating the stolen election IS trying to stop people from lying, not just with impunity, but with the full force of the junta behind them.
It is the liars who are trying to punish Fox for daring to report that people were questioning the lie.
I thought lawsuits against the media were an assault on free speech? When did the narrative change? God, I can't even keep up anymore, and I'm an admitted news junkie.
I've tried to go cold turkey, do the twelve step thing, even used the patch but nothing works.
Even free speech has its limits and I think Fox may have pushed that limit a bit too far. There were putting out information that they knew to be false and doing it because they were worried about stock prices. There are limits and we are likely to find out what they are from this case.
“Even free speech has its limits”
What do you think those are?
I think that will be determined by the case. There are many limits on free speech. If you are a car salesperson you cannot lie about the vehicle you are selling. A young man was recently arrested for leaking classified information in his grab for attention, he cannot claim free speech. Fox knowingly allowed, many times, people to come on the air to lie about Dominion. Fox did not fact check these people in public or question their claims. They also did this not for journalist reason but to avoid losing an audience and profit. The case could go either way but it not a sure bet for Fox.
Every tyrant in history has called his critics liars.
Are you Misek?
How many political campaigns do you think could avoid being charged for lying?
Or is the usual double standard in effect?
Oh, it's worse than that: In many cases Fox did "fact check" the claims--and apparently concluded they were indeed false--before airing them and amplifying them.
Because there is a difference between your deliberately spreading a falsehood for the specific purpose of falsely damaging another person’s reputation maliciously; and reporting those claims. In the case of this lawsuit, the plaintiffs seem to be accusing a news organization of libel or defamation because they REPORTED that someone else was making those claims. The judge in this case dismissed before the trial even began the only possible defense that could be used by defendants! Surely the difference between making false claims maliciously and reporting those claims, whether false or not, made by others is something for a jury to decide, not dismissed before being considered by the jury.
There is a reckless disregard element to maliciousness, I believe? So if, in an effort to maintain their audience (who didn't want to hear the things Fox knew to be the truth), Fox intentionally made false claims about Dominion, specifically, that would be reckless, correct?
Leaking documents has nothing to do with free speech. To get a security clearance one has to sign a contract that includes restrictions on said speech, and consequences for violating the agreement.
This is a weak case. The problem is the democrat judge and potential democrat jurors. As democrats have a tendency put their finger on the scales of justice.
How was this more defaming than 4 years of Russian collusion claims?
The lawyers can show that Fox News knew that the allegation against Dominion were false. Can you show that the Russian collusion claims were false? Remember Trump as a candidate asked for Russian help. Remember in his book published after the 2020 election Paul Manfort admitted giving data to Russians. There is no equivalency except in your head.
No they can not. The judge merely asserted a truth without discovery. That is not showing anything. In fact the judge is making it so fox has no access to discovery to even attempt the truthfulness foe other people. Likewise fox did not make the comments guests did.
This is completely opposite of MSNBC who still claims trump russia with on air personalities even after the total debunking and special prosecutor report.
Most of your post is actually false. Lol.
Try again.
Has MSNBC been sued for defamation or libel by anyone claiming to have been damaged by the Russian collusion reporting?
MSNBC should be shut down, and the top people there subject to charges for FEC violations. As they are strictly a political propaganda organization that exclusively serves the democrat party. As such, they continually violate federal election laws.
Wasn't Hillary Clinton just fined 6 figures over the Steele Dossier? The same dossier that Mueller spent 1 and a half investigating and found squat?
No. Mueller was assigned to investigate obstruction of justice because then President Trump fired James Comey to stop and investigation. It was the Trump administration AG Jeff Sessions that requested the special investigation. You need to brush up on your current history.
Um, Mueller was authorized to do much more than investigate obstruction charges.
Full retard achieved.
"The DNC was fined $105,000 and the Clinton campaign was fined $8,000, according to a letter sent by the Federal Election Commission to a conservative group that requested an inquiry.
“The FEC concluded that the Clinton campaign and DNC misreported the money that funded the dossier, masking it as “legal services” and “legal and compliance consulting” instead of opposition research.” https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html
Keller relied on the Steele Dossier as the basis for the investigation. Which went far beyond mere obstruction charges. You might be lying, but history shows you’re stupid enough to to believe the pile of rotting elephant jizz that was your comment.
‘Mueller’
Slow down, take a breath and read the Mueller Investigation Report and the Senate Report on Russian Election Interference. You will find that the Dossier had little to do with either. The Senate Report mentions nothing of Steele and the Mueller Report mentions Steele only in reference to then President Trump briefing on the documents and his reaction.
Yeah, defamation laws are appropriate to provide protection to people. Fox definitely pushed the bounds when it came to the baseless Dominion claims.
I do wonder what damages were actually suffered. But even a nominal award is sometimes worth it.
Baselessness doesn’t matter. They have to make knowingly false statements, not baseless.
Democrats were making the same claims just months prior on CNN and MSNBC.
Apparently there is objective evidence that the reporters knew the claims were false. Whether they presented those false claims as fact maliciously, intending to harm the plaintiffs is what the trial is about. The judge deciding that they knew the claims were false - a key element in proving defamation or libel - instead of letting the presentation of the evidence in court for consideration, seems wrong to me.
“In a December 2019 letter to Dominion Voting Systems, which has been mired in controversy after a human error involving its machines in Antrim County, Michigan, resulted in incorrect counts, Democratic Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Ron Wyden, and Amy Klobuchar and congressman Mark Pocan warned about reports of machines “switching votes,” “undisclosed vulnerabilities,” and “improbable” results that “threaten the integrity of our elections.”” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-senators-warned-of-potential-vote-switching-by-dominion-voting-machines-prior-to-2020-election
The difference here is that Democrats were responding to an actual incident of problems with Dominion software in an actual election. So, NOT "making the same claims."
Can you see anyone in a rightish state or local government purchasing a voting system from Dominion these days? Proving financial damage probably won't be that difficult--and will be in the hands of a jury, who are easily persuaded to empty defendants' supposedly deep pockets. Fox will settle before then.
Fox can't settle if Doninion doesn't agree to the settlement. I guarantee they are requiring Fix admit they intentionally and purposefully lied about the election and Dominion as any part of the settlement.
In a choice between admitting your "news" is not just opinion, but knowingly false information, and requiring someone else to claim the same thing, it's a no-brainer. Your credibility is already undermined, but it's worse if you admit it.
“Even free speech has its limits”. Now that’s a libertarian statement!
yes
Friend/enemy is all that matters.
Learn where we are.
I have to wonder why Fox has let this case go one so far and not settled. Win or lose they have suffered a lot of damage that will not be easily fixed. They also now face additional lawsuits from the producer that they tried to throw under the bus.
I predict a break-up and re-branding exercise will be one of the results. Rupert must be furious.
Yeah, I’m sure the accuracy of your predictions is really impressive. We’re all waiting breathlessly for your next pronouncement.
"There is no such thing as bad publicity." Also, making the case that conservatives - including Fox News - are under unfair attack from their opponents in the culture wars may be part of their calculations. In any event it's not obvious that your opinion that they have suffered a lot of damage "win or lose" is true.
Private vs public figures and different burdens of proof, traditional for private (not famous football coach) and 'actual malice' for public figures (famous football coach) simply do not exist in the Constitution. S. Ct. pulled all of it out of thin air in one of the worst decisions ever written. It's ironic that if NY Times vs Sullivan never happened, there is no way Fox News would have allowed any of this to air on their networks and they would not be facing the coming billion dollars worth of judgements. They who want to live by the actual malice sword are now going to die by it.
Common law suits for defamation pre-dated the Constitution, so in order to proclaim their "unconstitutionality", the burden is on you to explain what it is in the Constitution changed the status quo in that regard.
The 1st Amendment says, in relevant part: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press."
Your turn.
Even if we grant your argument, every defamation law passed by congress in the last 200+ years is still unconstitutional.
When were the claims proven false? Code was never released. There is zero ways fox can know the claims to be false. None. No election audits regarding votes were made, just recounts in some counties.
Defamation requires making a knowing false claims with malice. Yes Dominion is a public actor. The claims made were about software nobody has been seen. It was done without malice buy an assumption of fraud.
This falls against all current jurisprudence for defamation, especially in regards to media. Reason is seemingly applauding the issue which will make them liable the next time a fact in their article turns out to be false. See their claims of credibility for the Kavanaugh accuser. Think of their articles talking about Trump russia. Or sullum pushing the nuclear secrets claim from the Trump raid.
That task will be easier thanks to pretrial rulings that recognized the falsity of those statements and rejected three Fox defenses.
What court proved this false? They are setting dacts not ever proven. Just narratives as fact.
I'm not a pusher Dominion changed votes. But they again have never released their source code, making proving yes or no actual proof. I do agree mail in ballots are a source of fraud.
But the claims here are not proven and if the court wants to claim this, fox should be allowed access to the source in discovery. This is accepting assumptions as fact with no ability to defend.
Agreed. I would think a simple defense would be the destruction of ballots that should have been kept for audit purposes. Without that trail of custody how does one presume fraud or no fraud from either side? We don't have that info anymore is not a good defense for Dominion.
The Dem questioning the software 6 years ago definitely should be a counterpoint as well.
Agreed. And it wasn't even 6 years ago. Most dems were wary of Dominion months before 2020.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-senators-warned-of-potential-vote-switching-by-dominion-voting-machines-prior-to-2020-election
From one of the articles that this Democrat letter referenced:
"The researchers didn’t single out ES&S election systems for their hunt. They also attempted to search for connected systems for the other top two voting machine vendors in the country—Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic. But Skoglund said the configuration footprints for these systems are less distinctive than ES&S’s footprint, resulting in the team finding thousands of systems that were clearly not election infrastructure."
The point of the Warren, et al., letter was to wonder if the consolidation of voting machine businesses over the previous ~20 years was leading to election officials that weren't as knowledgeable as those companies, and whether that was leading to security risks. The Washington Examiner article definitely raises alarms much greater than what the letter stated (no surprise), but it fails to note how it was Republicans in Congress at the time that seemed to be blocking efforts to prohibit electronic transmission of even unofficial vote totals from machines or for those machines to be connected to telecommunication networks at any time. (Official vote totals from the machines were stored on memory cards in the machines which are then hand delivered to central election offices. The transmission of totals was a convenience for election officials to get the unofficial results to media and the public more quickly. A lot of this could be avoided if people were simply more patient and didn't need to know who won by midnight on election night.)
This line of argument that Democrats were wary of machines prior to 2020 is wrong to imply that Republicans were as well. Just like doubts about mail voting, it was something they started to doubt only when Trump did.
Well wrong final assertion. Alarms against these companies and proprietary code have been around for a decade.
But it seems like you have a narrative to isolate why only fox is the bad guy. You do you. Rationalize why this one case is the exception.
Well wrong final assertion. Alarms against these companies and proprietary code have been around for a decade.
Then it won't be difficult to show where some Republicans expressed as much concern about it prior to 2020 the same way you and others are pointing to some Democrats expressing concern.
But it seems like you have a narrative to isolate why only fox is the bad guy. You do you. Rationalize why this one case is the exception.
Fox is the "bad guy" here because the evidence we have seen so far shows their producers, executives, and on-air hosts talking about how little they believed the accusations against Dominion machines and other stolen election claims, and yet they continued to put people making those claims on air with hosts that either agreed or wouldn't push back against those claims. We also see from their statements and communications with each other about how they did this out of worries of losing viewers if they didn't.
Whether the standard of actual malice is met is for a jury that sees everything and hears testimony to decide. I know that none of us will see or read more than a tiny fraction of all of the evidence and testimony that a jury will see.
What is sad about this whole thing is why it doesn't make people on the right realize that they have been played by the conservative media for decades. Rush Limbaugh hit upon the winning formula in the 80's and it spawned an entire industry. Entertain a conservative audience by telling them how much they are right to be angry at and to hate liberals. Getting that kind of validation feels good, so they will keep listening and remain loyal. And it even has benefits at the ballot box, which continues a cycle of being able to keep them worked up and watching and listening.
Is that tactic employed by at least some left-wing media? Sure, and I would not excuse that in any way. Why allow that to excuse the right? Wouldn't you want your side to be more honest, more rational, and communicate truth more often than the other side?
They claims were proven false because they exceeded the limits of credibility. The Fox people themselves knew this and still put the accusers on the air.
Do you just utter inanity then pat yourself on the back?
Voter fraud only happens in other countries.
Amd often with the aid of the Biden administration.
It must be cool to be able to read minds.
I didn't read minds I look at the Fox staff testimony. It was the Fox staff that found the claims against Dominion to be uncredible.
In what form did these "findings" take place?
Because Dominion employees said so?
Without being able to see the software, and having the expertise to decipher it, how could anyone be certain that the accusations were false?
Such investigation should have been what happened, when discovery was implemented pre-trial, but this "judge" seems to have prohibited such actions.
The fix, in this "trial", as in the election, is in, and the TDS sufferers are going to get away with it, again.
Financial fraud cases have been made, and led to convictions based on forensic auditing and the unrealistic results found. So unrealistic to have been proof of an underlying fraud and embezzlement.
Such should have been done about those election "results", the falsity of which has been denied, at trial, purely on the word of the plaintiffs.
That should only happen in kangaroo courts.
Here's an article about what should have taken place:
https://www.frontpagemag.com/auditing-bidens-victory/
He doesn’t care. He just pukes up democrat talking points. Nothing goes on in his head that passes for real thoughts.
The finding took place in Discovery and they showed that Fox newspeople and executives did not believe the accusations against Dominion. There is no obligation for investigations and proof when the accusation are so far out of field. Our court system assumes innocents and there is nothing to suggest Dominion did anything wrong. On the other hand, Fox knew they were pedaling a lie, and this is shown by their own word in Discovery interviews.
You can always find reason to doubt something when you really don't want to believe it.
Non sequitur regarding defamation laws for public figures. But keep applauding this. Just realize it opens up defamation suits further than even Trump ever asked for. A bullet for your enemies will lead to many for your friends.
Isn't this the irony of the situation, that Trump wanted media-types to have to face defamation suits, like the rest of us would, for false reporting, and this suit is going forward, when similar ones have been dismissed, out of hand, due to "Sullivan".
Unfortunately, as with so much that has happened in the last decade, or so, this precedent will only apply when a conservative news organization is sued, and not when it is the real liars of the media facing scrutiny.
+1000000000000 Well Said....
And exactly correct.
The 2020 election isn't about finding truth anymore. It's about prosecutable politics.
Playing devil's advocate here, the claims do not have to be proven false (in court) for plaintiffs to prevail. In this particular case there are internal Fox News memos stating clearly that the defendants believed that the claims were false. That's all that's needed for the judge to dismiss that particular avenue of defense (although personally I think it's a bad decision - that evidence should be allowed in court if only to allow the plaintiffs to knock it down for effect!) Plaintiffs will have a more difficult time proving that it was done maliciously with the intent of damaging them, and not for protected first amendment fair reporting purposes.
The whole thing is just more corrupt democrat lawfare, that has no basis in reality. If this is the new norm, then the revolution can’t begin soon enough.
Remember, the pinnacle of a journalist's career is to launder information for the US security state.
Stay at home mom Kelly Richards from New York after resigning from her full time job managed to average from $6000-$8000 a month from freelancing at home...
This is how she done it...................>>> http://www.jobsrevenue.com
https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1646979353467551747?t=32WtTZEgav57Cg8xiaLVzg&s=19
They didn’t even apologize and Ben’s still butthurt about it lol. Just a bland “we love everybody” statement.
That’s how fanatical the left is about imposing their shitty values through corporations. They’ll bitch about anything less than total devotion to their agenda
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AB is now "leaking" it was a low level employee who created the cans for mulvaney.
And they put out a non-apology apology
That was a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. I would have to use AI to accomplish that feat.
A nopology.
Wtf.
Now Reason won't link to Michael Shellenberger's twitter...
"The idea that governments worldwide are working together to censor their citizens sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's not. It's increasingly clear that there is just such an organized effort involving, at a minimum, the US, Canada, UK, & New Zealand.
Consider: the U.S. government worked with private sector partner The Atlantic Council to censor ordinary Americans; UK police visit people who post wrongspeak; Canada is seeking greater censorship; and the former PM of NZ is leaving the government to do censorship full-time.
Now, new documents have surfaced showing a censorship effort in U.S.-allied nation that are eerily similar to the ones created in the U.S."
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Reason is just protecting us from wrongthink. Learn to love the state like a good libertarian.
https://twitter.com/aimeeterese/status/1646916774708015106?t=LvoUvLQRgMyFVCPjZKyUyg&s=19
This is some of the propaganda NPR was pushing during covid. You know, npr, the “independent” non-state affiliated media outlet.
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What's the propaganda? Is it that they bought into the whole "there's a virus" thing?
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1646978205339860995?t=nFDnOJU-sWMN5KVzSDFJGA&s=19
SHOCK: Nashville flower shop called FLWR owned by Alex Vaughn and Quinn Kiesow has refused to provide memorial flowers for the six victims of the transgender killer. If the victims were LGBTQ the court would force them to provide flowers.
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The article says they declined to provide services for an RNC event. If it's a memorial for the victims, I don't find it appropriate for the RNC to be involved.
They are certainly well within their rights to decline to serve a political party. They're even free to decline for the victims (though that makes them shittier).
The lead doesn't seem to support the content. Still, this is a double standard and I question whether a shop would refuse to provide for the shooter's funeral.
They wouldn’t refuse if they wanted to remain in business.
Just more evidence that the courts, law, isn't a solution.
Even the Gateway Pundit article admits that it wasn't a request to provide "memorial flowers for the six victims of the transgender killer". It was a RNC Trump fundraiser.
Maybe so, but the florist is refusing to serve the RNC, over the school shooting, when the one doing the shooting had zero connection to the RNC.
This is magnitudes worse than victim-shaming.
It has gone as far as oppressor-honoring.
So they refused to offer services to a political organization engaging in political speech they find objectionable.
This is something you're supposed to think is the absolute liberty of private businesses.
Or do you just hate queer people and don't have braincells for much else?
Why should I respect their rights when they force themselves on me and don’t respect mine? My obligation to respect your rights is contingent on you playing by the rules. I know sociopathic faggot with a subnormal intellect, such as yourself, has a hard time grasping that.
Just ge tit in that tiny little ind of yours that we hit back. And we can hit much harder than you can.
14 Apr 2023. Dominion sued Fox News for defamation just for airing the opinion of Rudy Giuliani and others, that there was fraud with the machines. Pre-trial rulings didn’t allow Fox to prove there really was election fraud. The trial continued only to determine who was going to pay for damages. 1
Wrong defamation laws destroy freedom of speech. In this case, defamation lawsuits destroy democracy: this ruling is is really dangerous. Suppose next elections are cleverly rigged in favor of your not-favorite party. Suppose that because the judges don’t order a forensic analysis as in 2020 and 2022, it takes time to prove how widespread it was, more time than the certification deadline. With this kind of pre-trial, leaving out the possibility to provide evidence, no media is going to report fraud ever again and social media will be censored like nowadays. Without media coverage, the people won’t know. There’ll be no demonstrations. Stealing an election will be a non-event: it can’t happen even if it happens. Nothing will be done to correct the rigging because no one will learn about the rigging.
So, if an election officer is bold enough to try to decertify, he'll have to face the whole ignorant world against him, simply because the world was blinded by this gag rule. Of course he'll back down ... worse than Pence.
All this shows that voting machines are dangerous, even more if run by a private corporation: each machine result should be controlled by multi-partisan election officials. There should be a triple check: electronic, multi-party officials and the voter controlling that his vote is correctly tabulated (this could be done even keeping anonymity).
Proof of election fraud? search for American coup ScientificProgress .substack .com
In this case, defamation lawsuits destroy democracy: this ruling is is really dangerous.
Maybe if the lawsuit succeeds. If it fails, seems like it would reinforce freedom of the press.
EVERYONE saw unexplainable overnight flips.....
Offering reasons to why that occurred is what media does.
Why did George Floyd die???
1. Because cops are racist.
2. Because he was O.D. on drugs.
3. Because he had COVID.
All possibilities presented and aired publicly.
Only tyrants pretend they KNOW the right answer against odds and prosecute accordingly.
And that's exactly what Dominion is doing. Have they even offered up an excuse as to why they did mid-term machine updates? Was that claim ever even countered? What about pillows who supposedly has IP proof that China had access to those machines? Was that ever countered beyond a reasonable doubt?
So many reasons to doubt and I haven't heard anything but a 'IT IS THIS because WE say so' form around it.
As JeeseAz points out so well above; They haven't even proven their innocence as far as I can tell. Their rebuttal to the accusations are nothing but counter attacks. Generally in human nature 'hey look a unicorn' counter attacks almost ensures guilt. And so far that's all that's been developing on the subject of suspicion.
Lawsuits are easy when the judge is a piece of shit democrat in the tank for you.
If the Dominion suit were meritless, why do Fox's own internal communications support them? Don't you think that if there were real evidence, Fox's internals would have mentioned it?
This is just more election derangement syndrome from the usual circle jerkers.
Just checking --- news stations always interview only people that they fully agree with, right?
I think if you check the tapes that all network will challenge and question people they disagree or question. I have seen Fox reporters and new people question both Democrats and Republicans, yet they never really pushed back on Sidney Powell. They just let her talk nonsense and why to keep their audience.
So you’re saying that Fox was emulating MSNBC’s daily broadcasts?
What is this election derangement syndrone?
This lawsuit has zero chance of winning.
FOX News viewers should just fucking take the cyanide capsules already. Yes, they've been lying to you 24 hours a day for 20 years. Sorry. I tried to tell you. At some point the problems stemming from your stupidity should be contained to your own household.
I saw it nearly topple democracy in the United States in favor of a fat orange clown fire. If there are no consequences for that, then what's the fucking point of a free press anyway? It gets to be free up until the moment some shitty propaganda channel gets its führer of choice? Ron deFuckface is cumming all over antidefamation legislation with the express purpose of suppressing a free press that criticizes members of his political faction. I'll not strain to hear above the crickets in here.
Tony, Fox viewers aren’t a problem. It’s traitors like you. Republicans are patriotic Americans. Not democrats, who are antagonistic territorial residents' many of whom are domestic terrorists. As a deluded, sociopathic deviant, your twisted little excuse for a mind has allowed you to believe otherwise.
Nothing good, decent, or right comes from creatures like you and your fellow travelers. You are the enemy within.
Poe's Law strikes again. If I didn't already know Chud was a conservative troll, I would assume he was making a parody of a conservative troll. But not a good one, since it seems way too over the top to be a real post. And yet ...
And Fox News viewers shouldn’t kill themselves, but you should.
Do it now.
You are one bitter critter there Tony, that big,bad FNC won't hurt you any more cupcake. Once you get on Thorazine and evict FNC from living rent free in your head you'll be O.K.
Stay at home mom Kelly Richards from New York after resigning from her full time job managed to average from $6000-$8000 a month from freelancing at home...
This is how she done it...................>>> http://www.jobsrevenue.com
So presumably there should be no problem suing CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo over all the stories they carried repeating the false claims of Creepy Porn Lawyer and his clients about Brett Kavanaugh. Oh wait, liberal judges suddenly see that as absolutely essential Freedom of the Press.
And given Alvin Bragg’s case, I would have conservative jurisdictions start investigating prominent democrats in places including the media for possible crimes. Because democrats say that’s ok now.
since nobody is going to mention it
Dominion is owned by the CCP through a shell corporation.
but you know, it's arms length, rite? so it's okay, rite??
I thought that the craziest possible posts were already made, and then you blew everyone else out of the water.
but of course, you love the Chi-Coms, their your other Bolshevik golem.
https://forward.com/schmooze/159051/a-jew-in-maos-china/
I don't come here often, people here are stupid and uninformed.
you tell me, who owns Dominion?
others will take a look on their own
I also heard that about Dominion being controlled by the CCP, it makes sense because they had the most to gain from Trump not being re-elected.
Biden is following the same idiotic trade policy as Trump. So why should it be better for China then?
Because Trump was De-Regulating the CCP control?