Ax Government Funding for NPR
NPR is no Xinhua, but Elon Musk is correct that it doesn't need government subsidies.

Yesterday, NPR announced that it was leaving Twitter after CEO Elon Musk slapped a "state-affiliated media" label on its account—the same label used for outlets like the Chinese propaganda publication Xinhua, which has been described by watchdogs and scholars as the "eyes and tongue" of the Chinese Communist Party and "the world's biggest propaganda agency."
"NPR's organizational accounts will no longer be active on Twitter because the platform is taking actions that undermine our credibility by falsely implying that we are not editorially independent," reads the statement from executives. "We are not putting our journalism on platforms that have demonstrated an interest in undermining our credibility and the public's understanding of our editorial independence." The Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) followed suit, to which Musk replied: "Publicly funded PBS joins publicly funded NPR in leaving Twitter in a huff after being labeled 'Publicly Funded.'"
Musk's decision to slap such a label on NPR's account sure looks like a textbook culture war provocation, eyeing NPR as a target ripe for roasting by his followers. (He tweeted "Defund NPR," sharing a screenshot of an email an NPR reporter had sent him asking for comment.) But there's more than a grain of truth to what he's saying, and if NPR stopped taking government funds, it could clear its own name.
So how state-funded is NPR, really? At its inception, it was entirely paid for by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), which was created by the Public Broadcasting Act signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1967. Democrats at the time were enamored with the idea of improving the breadth and quality of educational programming. "While we work every day to produce new goods and to create new wealth, we want most of all to enrich man's spirit," said Johnson. "That is the purpose of this act."
So in 1970, the CPB formed NPR, which started with 88 station affiliates; All Things Considered launched a year later. For that first decade and change, NPR happily chomped away at that government teat, ultimately landing itself in major financial trouble in the early '80s, accused of reckless spending by the Government Accountability Office and forced by the CPB to restructure. Instead of the government giving money directly to NPR, which could then be given out to member stations, the CPB decided to give funds to member stations—which now number more than 1,000—to buy NPR content, which remains the structure today (thus making it tough to suss out how much federal funding NPR actually gets).
As of 2017, NPR got 38 percent of its funding from individual donors; 19 percent from corporate sponsors; 10 percent from foundations; 10 percent from university licensing; and about 4 percent from the government. The CPB still funds NPR via the member station funds doled out, to the tune of roughly 10 percent nowadays, but it's tough to say exactly how much tainted taxed-away money is flowing into NPR's now-resplendent coffers. (Do public university funds count, for example?)
PBS, for its part, gets roughly 15 percent of its funding from the CPB, with a hefty chunk coming from individual and corporate donors.
Tea Partiers and Trumpists have all cyclically threatened to ax public radio funding, and they ought to follow through—in part because NPR can surely stand on its own two legs now.
NPR wants to have it both ways: Its supporters say less than 1 percent of its funding comes from the government but its website claims "federal funding is essential to public radio's service to the American public." It wants to continue holding out its hands for government funding, but it also wants to brag about complete and total editorial independence—two ideas held in tension—while developing quite the reputation for lefty bias (backed up by the Knight Foundation and Pew Research Center audience polling), which leaves conservative and libertarian taxpayers' stomachs churning.
But Tea Partiers of yore, Trumpy types today, and Musk fanboys miss that it's not that NPR is totally wrong on everything, or the enemy of the people, or a Pravda-style propaganda arm of the U.S. government. NPR has reported on the Social Security Ponzi scheme; how petty fines lead to driver's license suspensions; not to mention airing the dulcet tones of Reason's own Nick Gillespie making the case for…defunding public radio. ("The idea that we have an inalienable right to Car Talk or Sesame Street to be piped in over tax-supported airwaves strikes me as a stretch," said Gillespie in 2010.) NPR does good work at times and has shifted its funding model over the years to rely much more on individual, corporate, and foundation contributions. Its member stations ought to do the same, and all of them can succeed or fail of their own merit, the way pretty much all other publications and broadcasters do in this country.
What started as, essentially, a Great Society initiative designed to provide a diversity of programming options for the poor and downtrodden has outlasted its usefulness in the era of Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, and those little devices we keep in our pockets at all times that can stream any podcast on demand. The media landscape is totally different from how it was in 1967, and government allocation of funding ought to reflect that.
Why can't NPR and PBS privatize and charge customers a small monthly fee to view their content, the way many other platforms do? You still saw that Succession episode and you still read that New York Times or Bloomberg article even though you had to pay for the content (or prioritize what to consume due to cost).
It's time for the federal government to kick NPR and PBS out of the nest; your taxpayer dollars should never have been subsidizing Big Bird, Tiny Desk concerts, or those insufferable tote bags in the first place, and they certainly shouldn't now in the era of audiovisual abundance.
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NPR has been the mouthpiece for the Left Wing of the D Party for 50 years, who are you trying to kid?
It is state sponsored propaganda on behalf of only half of the state.
No worries. If you want to listen to mouthpieces for the Republican party, just tune into talk radio. You'll have to wade through a metric ton of commercials for gold and dick pills, but you'll get your fix of right-wing propaganda.
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The point is your post was entirely unnecessary and blatant hoax sideizm, puerile nonsense. It added nothing to the conversation other than you once again shit posting and then crying when people call you out on it. Rinse and repeat every single fucking day. Do you enjoy playing the martyr?
Wah wah wah says the teacher on the Peanuts.
You are fuckin terrible, and a plague on the board. Heaven forbid you actually consider what he calmly and rationally explained to you, and take it to heart as constructive criticism
Instead of troll attempts to distract from the topic, try this one:
https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1646604825583587329?t=RV1MzIGXcFjJdKq96wvdxw&s=19
Nothing As It Seems
It appears the madness in the empire’s star chambers has been cranked to 11, and they have gone and royally beclowned themselves with this “document leak” PSYOP.
And make no mistake, a PSYOP is precisely what we are dealing with here.
Not only is it inarguably a PSYOP, but it is one that must have been conceived at the highest levels of the ruling junta.
How do we know this?
BECAUSE THE REACTION OF ALL THE EMPIRE’S POWER APPARATUS HAS BEEN TIGHTLY COORDINATED AND CAREFULLY SCRIPTED!
Not only that, but the dopes bumbled and provided their patsy with documents whose provenance necessarily traces to TWO siloed sources: The DoD *AND* the CIA.
(Larry Johnson talks about this today in a short interview on Judging Freedom.)
This means the package of documents that the adolescent gamer boys are alleged to have been playing with in a dark corner of the internet could only have come from someone with access to *BOTH* Pentagon and CIA reports.
There can’t be many people who fall into that category.
But what’s the play here?
Maybe there’s a hint in the Ukrainian announcement that, because of this damaging leak, their best-laid plans have been compromised, and therefore the “spring” offensive must be delayed until summer.
Of course, the real problem is they don’t have an army. They went through their first two like kegs at a frat party, and they can’t seem to conjure up a third ex nihilo.
The only way to keep the party going is to *IMPORT* a new army.
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If he needs a sounding board for his latest batch of insults, I'm not volunteering for the job.
The only shitposters on this thread are you and your buddy from Canada. Everyone else is having a civil conversation.
Says the idiot who posted the drivel about conservative media. The only person playing the martyr is you. Calling out your shit posting is not crying. It is making an observation about how you whine about others being mean but always invite it and then scream when people push back. Just like you're doing now.
The only one screaming is you.
I'm not screaming I'm pointing out in a reasonable tone. See, this is another typical ploy you do, mischaractetize what others are doing, always in a way that makes you out to be the aggrieved party. That's actually a sign of narcissism. Which fits a lot of your other wonderful traits we've all come to love.
I think being openly hypocritical before the world is his kink.
I'm reading your posts in the voice of Sam Kinson.
I’m imagining you at a party. You see someone you want to single out. You home in. At the right distance you shout “Stop yelling at everyone! You’re such an asshole! Why do you ruin every party!” Then you proceed in your psychiatric evaluation. Your friends are so befuddled that they go along, while sane people look around in bewilderment.
Another sign of narcissism is attacking and belittling anyone who criticizes you. And projecting onto them your own faults. Keep ticking the boxes.
Get a couple more glugs of plastic jug Walmart vodka in him and let him tell you all about his "cunt" ex-wife some time. Or how his homelessness, drug addiction and felony conviction are all somebody's fault but his.
Once you realize sarc has to virtual signal to the only people who don't laugh at him daily (Mike, jeff, shrike, r3st of the leftists) you see his only intention here becomes defending the left while pretending not to.
Imagine lecturing others on capitalism while pretending that advertisements are subsidies.
Much worse than a metric ton of pleadings for cash for the opportunity to get a "free" tote bag.
Actually NPR admits that it receive 11% minimum through government agencies. This mean that 11% of their money come from MY POCKET one way or another.
Bottom line is that they have been spouting left wing nonsense for as long as I remember, well back into the 70's. At that time more than half of their funding was direct Federal funding. Until they got caught mismanaging funds. Then the fed backed off a little.
The bottom line is that 11% is the Gorilla in donations. this is true even if it is parsed up into smaller bite from different alphabet soup of government agencies. However, that does NOT include the affiliate funding that is paid by affiliates to NPR. About 2/3 of the affiliates are actually publicly funded college radio. This means that in the end, most likely 2/3 or more of NPR budget comes from the government in one way or another.
The is actually unacceptable at all from my standpoint. it also explains the rampant leftism in colleges and why NPR does not want MUSK and the PEOPLE talking about what is actually happening, they certainly do not want us to trace the $$$ and find that their number are skewed for political purpose.
Conservative talk radio is funded by the government? Yeah, I'll need to see a citation on that, Sarcasmic.
You could just re-read what he actually wrote, three comments up...
Nah, too hard. You'd rather react to what he didn't write.
Except for the basic fact that they still aren't funded via your tax dollars, great point.
Actually, they are. 2/3 of the affiliate required license fees come from public colleges and university that have broadcasting centers. This mean that 11% of their money comes directly from government agencies in one manner or another and 2/3 of the affiliate $$ come from....publicly funded universities paying fees to them from out tax dollars.
The problem is that MOST Americans will read the lie and believe it, instead of reading on and finding where the "speaker" hid the facts with a sidelong truth and refused to talk about real truth.
In other words, it behooves NPR to commit the lie of omission while telling just enough to let one who actual cogitates find the truth. Can't claim that they didn't tell you, they just parsed the truth up into hidden facts. You been lied to sucker.
I don't think that takes away anything from his point... it's NPR that's getting funded by government taxes, not conservative talk radio. sarcasmic, ObviouslyNotSpam and Libertariantranslator seem incapable of understanding this.
Nope. The only one here who has alleged that conservative talk radio is government funded, is ML.
Conservative talk radio is funded by the government? Yeah, I’ll need to see a citation on that, Sarcasmic.
What part of this do you fail to comprehend? You're proving my point... you are incapable of understanding both facts and context.
He wouldn’t be Mother’s Lament if he responded to what people actually say. No, he makes stuff up and responds to that.
I responded to exactly what you said, Sarckles. Shrike was white knighting for you which, as usual, involved lying about what I said.
He addressed exactly what you said, sarcasmic. And replying to yourself from the sock you've already outed several times is just embarrassing at this point. Even by your alcohol-induced ugly-crying standards.
Hi Tulpa.
His Sqrsly! Glad to see you're still too stupid and autistic to detect socks, which is why you're so fucking dog shit at operating them and out them every 3rd post.
I thought I was supposed to be SPB's sock? Or is sarcasmic also supposed to be SPB's sock? Or is it the other way around?
Your fantasy life is so confusing!
^ Spam is usually more intelligent.
Cite?
"ObviouslyNotShrike 4 hours ago
You could just re-read what he actually wrote, three comments up…"
Umm, Shrike, he sure as fuck inferred it.
But SkyNet is a Private Company 5 hours ago
NPR has been the mouthpiece for the Left Wing of the D Party for 50 years, who are you trying to kid?
It is state sponsored propaganda on behalf of only half of the state.
sarcasmic 5 hours ago
No worries. If you want to listen to mouthpieces for the Republican party, just tune into talk radio.
The issue is that my tax dollars are used for progressive propaganda, not the lack of alternative sources of news.
So you know, NPR isn't the voice of half of the state. Everything I've seen, heard and read tells me that the vast majority of government employees are Democrats. It's as bad as academia. So they really are the voice of the state, as far as the politics of the people who comprise the state goes (don't confuse the state with society, that's a different matter).
That is true. When I spun pizzas 50 yards from SMU, my bosses huddled over the John Birch newsletter with Garner Ted Armstrong droning over the radio. "Naygras are the missing link" they averred, and excoriated the Fed the way 1860s Dems did Lincoln, Abolition and the National Bank. Fascist radio was mostly before CB radio culture led to call-in voelkischer rallies with shill callers lined up around the block. Librulz and Jyooz were as evil to them then as FDR was when he okayed atomic bomb research in October 1939. Alex Jones is a throwback to Coughlin.
I'm talking about the supposedly objective hosts who will back Republicans without criticism at every opportunity. Sure they're paid for by corporations instead of taxes. Who cares? They're still different sides of the same propaganda coin. To get hung up on the taxes part ignores the propaganda part.
"To get hung up on the taxes part ignores the propaganda part."
Look at those goalposts move. Must be going 60 - 75 miles per hour.
Back in the blackest hills and hearts of the dog devils of Kissimmee, Florida, the rhubarb rednecks took their seig-heils from AM radio's own crucified girl-boss. If Comstock was the solution then God's own gun toting touts would negate the nattering nabobs of negativity between five and six PM on weekends.
Tu quoque would work better if you were comparing two things that are alike you drunken fucking piece of shit.
Big talk from you. When are you going to back it up? You’ve been hiding from me for over two months you little bitch. Still waiting for that ass kicking.
And chiropractors, Christian credit repair services, and buckets of "survival food" that would destroy all but steel-plated pancreases (pancreae? Pancrei? Pancreum?)
That would be pancreata.
Are you implying NPR wouldn’t be able to survive as a commercial entity?
If you are, I agree with you.
If you took away the 2/3 of their income from affiliate fees (all public colleges and universities and therefore 100% tax money) then they would collapse within weeks. Take away the 11% that they admit to and in 8 months they are bust. Take BOTH away, and I guaranty you that they would not last 30 days.
While there are huge donors by any standard, without the government dollar those that donate would not bother, they do not throw good money after bad. too wealthy to do that.
Why fund left-wing radio with government funds that every taxpayer pays? How about left-wingers start their own talk radio station? Oh, now I remember ... nobody listens to it.
Air America was great!
It is state sponsored propaganda on behalf of
only half ofthe state.You are confused about how much power countervailing opinions and the people who have them matter. Half is waaaayyyyy to generous. Know your place prole. NPR, I am sure, has a segement to inform you on proper think regarding this topic.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like they have gotten way worse in the past 5-10 years. There was a time when they at least attempted to appear as a neutral news source.
Really? I still listen now and then while driving. And while the opinion/entertainment is blatantly pro-D anti-R, the news has always seemed somewhat neutral. More neutral than anything on cable, that's for sure. That stuff will have you dizzy from the spin, and sick from switching directions.
"more neutral than cable" is very faint praise, indeed.
What options are there? Pick an internet echo chamber, or get biased news from the radio or the internet. Got any suggestions?
*radio or tv*
You could try getting news and opinion from varying sources and making your own determinations instead of eating whatever narrative is spoonfed to you by public broadcasting, MSNBC, Salon and The Atlantic. You know how you were 3 years late on everything involving COVID because "facts changed" and you wouldn't listen to any "conspiracy theorist" nutcases, like credentialed scientists who sacrificed their careers to publish a manifesto questioning the narrative? Well, the facts wouldn't change quite so violently if you broadened your horizons a little further than the surgeon general's warning label on your plastic jug of Canadian Mist.
Sarc is an nary, drunken leftist. With a massive obsession for Trump.
Also incorrect. See their statement regarding hunters laptop.
I never watch cable news. Maybe NPR would seem better by comparison.
Sometimes I go places where it is on, and it's still a Don Henley song.
If only there was a way to change the channel.
The music was the thing. The other part, communist treacle, was cheaper and more idiomatic than the competition. As a Libertarian Defense Caucus volunteer I paid over $20 a copy for Pravda translated into bad English. The Public Brainwashing system did too, for most of their stuff followed that playbook, but they did it with someone else's money.
There are many things I despise about NPR, but its arrogant insistence that it’s doing an ‘essential public service’ makes my blood boil. They consistently demonstrate blatant leftist bias, deny it explicitly then jerk themselves off that free media is a requirement for democracy. Taking offense to being correctly labeled as government funded media is on-brand for NPR as they continue their eternal crusade to be considered unbiased, legitimate media.
To their credit, the accuracy of NPR stories is never in question. The information is always accurate and well researched. That was never in question.
What IS in question is the quality of the stories they choose to report on. During the Trump presidency, I can recall a story they ran about one SINGLE Canadian woman who refused to move to the United States because ‘Donald Trump was running the country into the ground’. And I remember asking myself, what the fuck kind of story is this? Many more examples.
The formula for any NPR story is as follows:
1. Factually report correct information on relevant, current topic.
2. Underhandedly interview irrelevant “experts” or irrelevant people on the street that suspiciously only espouse leftist viewpoints.
3. Jerk off to your ‘cutting edge’ reporting.
Or, if you’re interviewing a politician:
1. Democrat: Easy, softball questions, everyone’s friends here :)).
2. Republican: Proceed to grill politician on every political viewpoint they’ve ever held.
3. Jerk off to your ‘cutting edge’ reporting.
I could go on for days, but NPR taking L’s always makes me smile.
"To their credit, the accuracy of NPR stories is never in question."
Funniest nonsense on the internet today!
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor!"
"If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance!"
"The affordable care act will lower medical costs!"
"Trump colluded with Russia!"
"Lock downs will lower mortality rates!"
"Masks stop transmission!"
"The jab is a vaccine which protects from infection and transmission!"
"Progressive ideology is a good thing!"
These are just a few of the nutcase tropes NPR has promoted over the years - unarguably false as they reported them.
Noxious Progressive Rationalizations is the poster child for propaganda.
NPR was a station that was totally antiestablishment, anti deep state. They exposed America's dirty secrets, with former CIA officers exposing US funded coups, wars and training of death squads who claimed they were fighting communism when they were actually supporting Untied Fruit and South American Oligarchs who assassinated union leaders, nuns, priests and one cardinal, people who wanted a better life for the populace. It was all factual and irritated the US corporate world and the deep state. When Reagan got in, he did the bidding of the global corporates and the deep state. He defunded NPR and then there was a national purge of NPR administrators and radio managers and replaced with corporate deep state shills. The local manager of the NPR station here is paid $600,000. That is what you have to do to deep state apparatchiks, reward them and there are no shortages of people willing to sell their souls. Musk wants to stop funding of NPR because it has been infiltrated and co-opted by the globalists. It is not right or left, it is globalist deep state, far worse than right or left.
Take notes from "long time viewer, first time caller". His stuff is easy to read. It is well spaced out and written. Meanwhile Victor Whiskey stuff is tough to read and full of BS.
You forgot to mention that the cause for defunding of NPR was mismanagement of Federal Funds. Originally well over 50% of their funding came from the FEDS directly. Now it comes from public colleges who have radio station affiliates. It comes from various government alphabet soup (admitted 11% of the entire budget comes that way and 2/3 of affiliate fees from public colleges).
No matter which way you cut it, We the People are paying the bill for this leftist organization to feed us their ideals. They at least admit that they are an EDITORIAL media outlet, not news editorial.
This is exactly what you described regarding how they approach interviews. And you are incorrect, they do not tell the truth, they tell the truth about what someone else said or did. However they were huge on masks and taking the C-19 shot, which now the entire world is finding may have killed and maimed more than C-19 did.
I don’t listen to it much, but it’s like PBS. They try to cover the real issues. You can’t expect as much from private industry. Put somebody like Musk in charge and you’ll get stuff that drives his bottom line. Govt. should keep funding it. It’s a drop in the bucket compared with military spending and legislative quid pro quo appropriations. I mean, how much did we get from the trillions of govt. $$ spent in Iraq and Afghanistan? Just a lot of wounded soldiers. We wouldn't know about that, though, without NPR and PBS.
"...and all of them can succeed or fail of their own merit, the way pretty much all other publications and broadcasters do in this country."
I find that argument...convincing.
2nd that
Bit ironic since reason is funded by a billionaire who pals around with soros.
Conservative redneck radio gets a subsidy through its agreement with Armed Forces radio.
Military’s subsidy of Limbaugh insults taxpayers
Military’s subsidy of Limbaugh insults taxpayers
The Pentagon’s defiant pledge to stick with the Rush Limbaugh show, no matter what, demonstrates a few hard and insulting realities.
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The Armed Forces Network (AFN) that carries the Limbaugh show is not a private business, corporation or proprietorship that can do whatever it pleases with its money, personnel, operations and policy. Every penny of the armed force’s bloated budget comes from taxpayers.
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The AFN, which has supported the Limbaugh show for two decades, is funded to the tune of an estimated $27 million annually. Every penny of which comes from the pockets of taxpayers. Since the military is not a democracy, and decisions are made top-down, there was never any chance for taxpayers to have a say about their money subsidizing the naked bias of one radio jockey at the public’s expense.
https://www.baystatebanner.com/2012/03/14/militarys-subsidy-of-limbaugh-insults-taxpayers/
Yeah, I know. Fat Rush is dead. But his mini-me clones have replaced him.
And Fat Rush was a notorious draft dodger with that boil on his ass or something. What an insult to the military,
"But his mini-me clones have replaced him."
Oh?
Where?
Kindly regale us with Biden's military service besides trying to get Hunter Biden commissioned in the navy.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Uh huh. Now do all those democrats, like the kne current,y sending us headlong into WW3.
A whataboutism argument based on an article from 11 years ago. Stunning rhetoric. Now do you have any thoughts of your own about publicly funded media?
Radio Free Europe seems like a worthwhile endeavor.
How so, in contrast to NPR, PBS or even AFN?
Hooray for propaganda!
Europe is pretty much free to fund their own fuckling radio.
Yeah, but you thought that posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography at Reason.com was a worthwhile endeavor, so your opinion carries little weight.
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Well, he’s dead now so there you go. So he's not taking any money anymore I guess, so let's focus on the ones that actually are.
Rush will live forever in his head.
That's not a subsidy, that's a purchase of a commercial product. You know, the same way the military purchases food, pens, cars, and computers from private companies.
It's a mystery why your arguments do nothing but persuade people to disagree with you.
See? Both halves of The Kleptocracy still turn boodle, pelf and loot into loudspeaker lying and dim-witted dinning, just like when Bert Hoover was building huge prisons to house beer pushers.
You fail to note that "conservative redneck radio" hasn't actually gotten any public funds unlike NPR, for the reasons NOYB2 mentioned. Shrike is simply wrong in his assessment, so why on earth are you defending him?
Here's a late-breaking news item: shreek got his original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography in the comment section of a Reason.com article.
There is a concept called “the appearance of impropriety” not to be confused with official corruption or actual criminal behavior. NPR and PBS and CPB have all become icons in the culture wars and, as such, have mystically become hills to die on for both the culture warriors on the left and the reactionaries on the right. Libertarians tend to object to government funding of pretty much everything not specified in the Constitution (e.g. public school systems) based upon fundamental principles, while reaction to biased public broadcasting narratively transforms into “an existential threat to Our Democracy (TM)” for one side and a propaganda target of opportunity for the other side. This guarantees that nothing productive will happen from either side and that principle will not prevail for the liberty-minded minority.
The Constitution has nothing to do with it. People object to being forced to pay for that kind of crap all over the world.
And what would you know about what the "liberty-minded minority" thinks?
“Yesterday, NPR announced that it was leaving Twitter after CEO Elon Musk slapped a “state-affiliated media” label on its account—the same label used for outlets like the Chinese propaganda publication Xinhua, which has been described by watchdogs and scholars as the “eyes and tongue” of the Chinese Communist Party”
NPR has been the eyes and tongue of the Democratic Party who control the Senate, Administration and Federal bureaucracy. There’s not a lick of difference between it and Xinhua.
I think there’s more than a “lick” of difference between them. In the US people have plenty of access to alternative sources of information and opinion, although there are growing questions about how much influence the “deep state” has had in tainting those other sources lately. I doubt that alternatives to Xinhua are nearly as easy for Chinese people to access, either officially or unofficially. Context does make a difference. I may want to listen to what NPR or PBS have to say on a topic for the purpose of comparing and contrasting them to what, for example, “Reason” and Fox News are presenting, trusting none of them particularly but hoping to achieve enlightenment in the interstices by reading between the lines and taking into account their respective biases.
"I think there’s more than a “lick” of difference between them. In the US people have plenty of access to alternative sources of information and opinion"
What does other available sources have to do with NPR's relationship to the Democratic Party?
I was comparing NPR's relationship to the respective dominant party and national political establishment with Xinhua's. Not musing on the American media landscape as a whole.
In the US people have plenty of access to alternative sources of information and opinion:
Yes and they did in the 1960's as well when L "Butcher" Johnson decided to stick his nose in. Same with the NEA. There is no reason for the government to be funding these activities.
Newt Minnow, famous FCC commissioner called Commercial TV a vast wasteland.
He's still alive, someone should ask him how PBS turned out.
Newt Minnow? That fossil is still around?
I’d like to know what he thinks of virtually everything ever broadcasted now available via streaming over fiber-optic cables, satellite, and Wi-Fi? All done without his “help.”
Xinhua is indeed "state-affiliated media".
NPR is not anywhere near the same level, so Musk is as usual, full of [poo emoji].
But, I'm happy to defund NPR, on general principles, of course.
Of course, sarcasmic, you're all about principles. Tell us again how funny it was that an unarmed woman was shot in the face and killed by a racist black cop for unauthorized parading and then go on a seething ACAB rant about the drug war and police militarization 20 seconds later, that's always a fun one.
I think your drool has messed with your keyboard.
"CEO Elon Musk slapped a "state-affiliated media" label on its account"
"taking actions that undermine our credibility by falsely implying that we are not editorially independent,"
So the independent NPR calls a true statement a lie, just to prove Elon's point.
The federal government should not be funding ANY entertainment.
I like how "state affiliated" media is recognized to be something that would "undermine the credibility" of NPR.
Yeah, you said it NPR.
4% government funding does not equate to "state-affiliated media". Not even close. Musk is the liar here, not NPR.
Then to clear this kerfuffle up, NPR should swear off the 4% funding due to the appearance of corruption.
Or is NPR going to do that thing literally every time this subject comes up: both refute and affirm their own argument at the same time.
"It's only a paltry 4% of our funding, it doesn't matter at all, it's just a tiny drop in the bucket!"
Ok, then let's eliminate the 4%
"Without that funding NPR's voice will be diminished... SHUTTERED EVEN!"
A lot of their funding comes through government-funded or government-subsidized intermediaries. It's likely that the majority of their funding comes from government, directly or indirectly. Eliminating the 4% of direct government funding would not make them "privately funded".
Yeah, that's something I agree with you on, but I'm not prepared to go down that rabbit hole. Government gives grant to NGO non-profit whose mission it is to build Media Literacy and a more robust, diverse Media Environment that's not "corporate controlled". NGO then turns around and gives a few million to NPR so on and so on.
I'm not an FBI accountant, so I'm not ready to start a new cork board on my wall with push pins and yarn.
I'm just saying that applying the "government funded" label is accurate. So is the "state sponsored" label, given that NPR is a creation of Congress, not just a non-profit that happens to receive public funds. They are both.
They should eliminate that funding. But at the same time Musk needs to eliminate HIS government funding. Subsides for his electric cars need to stop! This is Team Color sports shit. If it's wrong for Team Bluish to get funding, then it's wrong for Team Reddish to get funding. Period. Otherwise Musk is "state-affiliated" in exactly the same way NPR is.
Who here that you claim is team red supports EV subsidies dummy? Most of the GOP is also against them.
"...Subsides for his electric cars need to stop! This is Team Color sports shit. If it’s wrong for Team Bluish to get funding, then it’s wrong for Team Reddish to get funding...
Brandyshit needs help with that strawman.
Who the fuck are you talking about. The only oeolle here that possibly support EV subsidies are commenters like Groomer Jeffy, Liarson, Shrike, Tony, etc..
The rest of us are dead set against that shit.
That is the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard. First without MUSK there would be no electric cars, not really. Without Musk California could not have said no more petrol cars at all. It took tax credits given to the BUYERS of Musks vehicles to make people spend the $$. Musk only made deals with government departments and other businesses just like all other businesses do. Build a 1 billion facility to employ 3000 workers and I guaranty that any city and state will abate your corporate taxes and even waive building permit fees.
Do not blame the way the government works on Musk. He is only taking what every corporation gets and nothing more and there is no special favor involved and it is not political at all.
NPR was established by the government and it receives government funding and support. That makes it both "state affiliated" and "government funded". Pretty much by definition "public radio" is "state affiliated".
The 4% figure just refers to direct funding from the federal government. In reality, much, probably most, of NPR funding comes from government, via station fees, grants, grants to foundations, universities, tax breaks, etc.
The fact that NPR gives a 4% figure itself tells you that they are liars.
That 4% is millions of dollars shit for brains.
Being affiliated with the state equates to "state-affiliated media" regardless of the amount, and you are the third biggest lying sack of cunt mucus at this website, licking the heels of sarcasmic and Episarich/Bo Cara Esq. (currently dba Mike "White Mike" Laursen)
Hi, Tulpa!
No, he did not. "State affiliated" might be debatable, since NPR is legally nominally independent.
The label he slapped on them is "government-funded media". That label is accurate.
Yes he did. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/04/12/npr-quits-twitter-government-funded-labels/11649330002/
"In a Wednesday tweet, Twitter owner Elon Musk shared an image with some of Twitter's guidelines for defining state-affiliated media: "State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution."
"Seems accurate," Musk wrote, in a reply to the news about Twitter's designation for the NPR account."
Only later did he change it to “government-funded media”.
But you didn't notice, lol.
Everyone noticed, sarcasmic, it was a breathless headline in every major wire service. NOYB2 was pointing out the difference since you and Brandycunt are still stuck on last week's ActBlue PDF.
Yes, I did notice. And by the time I noticed it, it was "government funded".
In fact, NPR is unequivocally both. NPR was created by an act of Congress, which determines the purpose, content, and funding for CBP and NPR.
You just said above, "No, he did not".
Face it: you got played by Elon.
Hasn’t Tesla received a bit of government funding?
Yep and that is irrelevant to this discussion.
And also another dem funded subsidy. Not sure what Mikes boaf sides attempt was.
It’s all he knows.
Sure has. SpaceX even more so. You can feel free to cancel that too. Since Tesla and SpaceX are not media organizations there's no comparison to the topic actually under discussion. You and sarcasmic study up a bit on how tu quoque works the next time you decide to coordinate talking points.
You are casting pearls before swine.
Yes, and Tesla has no problem acknowledging that.
It's NPR that is throwing a hissy fit because people dare pointing out that they are a creation of Congress and receive public funding.
"But Tea Partiers of yore, Trumpy types today, and Musk fanboys miss that it's not that NPR is totally wrong on everything, or the enemy of the people, or a Pravda-style propaganda arm of the U.S. government."
You have got to love this collectivist twaddle.
*Do* Tea Partiers really believe that NPR is totally wrong on everything? Do the Musk Fan Boys actually believe they are a propaganda arm of the US government?
Where is the proof, oh Reasoned reporter? The link to "Tea Partiers" says that their complaint was that they don't believe the federal government has a role supporting a manifestly Left Wing radio network.
If you are going to make the case against NPR, just make the case against NPR. Ms Wolfe spends more time criticizing the imaginary arguments of "Trumpy" people who want the same result than actually, you know, criticizing the arguments of people who want to preserve NPR.
News to Reason: we live in a country where you need to convince at least 50% of people to agree with you to get legislative reforms enacted. Picking needless fights with the people who already agree with you is a pretty big waste of rhetorical resources.
you need to convince at least 50% of people to agree with you
Well, 50% of the legislators elected by 50% of the 50% or so of people who bother to vote.
There's always at least one republican, whose wife has been put on the board of a local public station, who will vote no to defunding public radio/tv. and if the votes still too close they'll find another one.
actually you know nothing of how much it takes to get things to change and happen in this country. The votes between left and right (dem and Repub) are only a few percent apart except in the leftist strong holds of the major coastal cities. Less than 3% can usually swing anything a different outcome.
So the goal since the 60's was to grab an open 3% and hopefully take a small percent from the opposition camp in doing it. That is and was usually enough for a win. People do not realize it but it only took 3% of Germany to create the third Reich, it only tool 3% of the population to create communist china, Communist Russia etc.
DO not talk about 50% as that is insane, hell not even 33% vote at all! Plus this is a Republic, not a democracy (thank God!). in a democracy people will vote to step money from others to give themselves things. Free Ice Cream every Friday for everyone...we will let the Bobs pay for it all.
"People do not realize it but it only took 3% of Germany to create the third Reich, it only tool 3% of the population to create communist china, Communist Russia etc."
Right...3% plus the additional 40-50% that were already supporting your cause.
"DO not talk about 50% as that is insane, hell not even 33% vote at all! "
Yawn, what a bunch of nitpicking. Whether you think the number is 30% or 51%, the point is the same: You need a coalition of people to get stuff passed in this country. And shitting on the people who already agree with you is a stupid way to achieve that coalition.
I have been saying defund from for years (decades really).
But at the same time, Musk is wrong that they are "state-affiliated". At only 4% government funding, they may be less affiliated with government than Musk himself, who gets a shitload of subsidies from the Feds because of his electric cars and projects.
And NPR has always been fair and balanced, in a way that FOX News never was. They may be liberal (meaning old school liberal) but they covered all the stories from all the sides, fairly, with an actual air towards objectivity. Along with the old Drudge Report (not the new one) they were once ranked the least biased news outlet. In an era when all radio news is about loud opinionating, NPR is a breath of sanity. I'm not a huge fan as they are not my kind of format, but in terms of news reporting they still rank above everyone else if I want to find out what is actually going on rather than just having my narratives validated.
Musk is being a jerk. I could care less about twitter, so if he wants to run it into the ground and his billions with it, it's his property. But it's not winning him any points in the free speech side of things. He's just being an authoritarian dick.
Lol you're doing great.
And NPR has always been fair and balanced, in a way that FOX News never was
Imagine saying this with a straight face.
Did he say they were "state affiliated" or "state funded"?
He marked them as "state-affiliated media". That's the issue at hand. Do try to keep up.
But he later changed the label to "government-funded", aka, quietly covering his tracks...
If by "quietly" you mean announcing it on fucking Twitter and having dozens of articles written about it by every major wire service for several days. It's too bad you weren't this critical about Twitter's internal policies when they spent a decade coordinating with the Democratic Party and federal government agencies to censor and monitor American citizens.
I doubt Musk ever actually announced on Twitter that he was changing NPR's designation from "state-affiliated" to "government-funded", but if he did I will retract my potentially outrageous allegation that he did so "quietly".
"In his exchanges with NPR reporter Allyn, Musk said he was relying on a Wikipedia page dedicated to "publicly funded broadcasters" to determine which accounts should receive the label."
Well, that's comforting...
I am keeping up, it's you who are not keeping up:
Ah, "keeping up" after-the-fact... Better late than never!
He didn’t ban or restrict them in any way. As for fair and balanced, that is a joke. Or did I miss all the interviews with the Barrington folks during Covid panic?
Nope, in fact Elon continues to demolish the real reason why people like NPR used Twitter: Prestige.
I think they used to try to do what you are saying. But lately that doesn't seem to be the case. Especially since Trump. And double especially since covid.
Also, I don't buy that anyone covers all the stories from all sides' perspectives. Most media, certainly including NPR will usually give you 2 sides. That's a good way to look like you are being balanced while injecting some strong bias.
"...And NPR has always been fair and balanced..."
Brandyshit is obviously a TDS-addled shit-pile, which hints he's many cards shy of a full deck, but, WHAO!
This is a whole new level of "I'm a fucking ignoramus!"
What started as, essentially, a Great Society initiative designed to provide a diversity of programming options for the poor and downtrodden
LOL if you think that was the real reason for creating NPR I think you're just not gonna make it.
They had good intentions!
No, no they did not.
You'd be amazed how diversified commercial broadcasting was prior to government funded PBS/NPR. There were only 3 commercial Networks, a maybe a local independent and a local educational channel. Everything from opera, to symphonies, to Ed Sullivan to Mr Ed. Bell telephone and Hallmark sponsored cultural shows many times a year.
"What started as, essentially a[n] initiative designed to provide a diversity of programming options ... has outlasted its usefulness..."
I have been saying this for thirty years.
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When was the last time NPR demonstrated its editorial independence from PBS Newshour, The Nation, The Guardian, Jacobin, or the Times?
It's been an echo chamber for so long that it needs an ear trumpet to hear the booing outside.
I thought we were talking about independence from the US government?
Public subsidy of NPR serves to project the partisan views of magazines with fewer subscribers than into the popular imagination on a scale rivaling the BBC and the dystopian neighborhood loudspeakers of the PRC. It is the audio avatar of PBS's visual Wokemanship.
Oh, you're going for a SQRLYsey/Hank/TJ2000 vibe...
NPR was created by the federal government for what the party in control of the government at that time thought was in the best interests of society. For much of it early history was primarily funded by the government and still to some amount is. It has a reputation of being generally supportive of the ideology of the party that created it. The description of "state affiliated" is offensive to them, why?
It is amusing how much progressive institutions squeal when the shoe is on the other foot.
Because of how Tweeter defines "state-affiliated" media:
"State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution. Accounts belonging to state-affiliated media entities, their editors-in-chief, and/or their senior staff may be labeled.
State-financed media organizations with editorial independence, like the BBC in the UK or NPR in the US for example, are not defined as state-affiliated media for the purposes of this policy."
Oops, that was Twitter's policy until last week. Now it's:
"State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution. Accounts belonging to state-affiliated media entities, their editors-in-chief, and/or their prominent staff may be labeled. We will also add labels to Tweets that share links to state-affiliated media websites."
But, he later changed it to "government-funded", so there's nothing to see here...
Correct, sarcasmic. MUH PRIVUT CUMPUNIES! remember?
Whose sock are you supposed to be?
cease programming every five minutes and beg for money the next 25 ... promise tote bags ... maybe the Chubb Group will help out
I couldn't care less what they are "right" or "wrong" on, I don't want my tax dollars to pay for them, period.
That should not be a difficult concept to grasp for someone who pretends to be a libertarian.
Musk is not pretending to be a libertarian. Or if he is, his dictionary entry for "libertarian" is wrong.
I think NOYB2 is referring to the writer of the article.
"Musk is not pretending to be a libertarian. Or if he is, his dictionary entry for “libertarian” is wrong."
This is the fucking ignoramus who claims PBS is "fair and balanced"; anyone that unhinged can be safely ignored.
Fuck off and die, asshole
That wasn't who was being referred to in NOYB2's post, but then you're an illiterate fucking piece of shit who thinks NPR is unbiased, and a demonstrated history of reading not being your strong suit.
IDK, I'm no unbridled fan of Musk (criticism several posts above), but taking a bunch of government money and using it to dismantle or at least disrupt the Government Media Censorship Complex is pretty fucking big-brain/hardcore/guerilla-style libertarian.
(criticism several posts
abovebelow)No, but Reason writers are.
For those of you who were like me, longtime listeners of NPR who finally got so sick and tired of the naked bias that you turned it off and never went back, I strongly recommend Peter Boghossian’s series “all things reconsidered” on the Youtubes. It’s an excellent series of videos that analyzes how NPR didn’t just go down the tubes, but went through the Dispose-All before doing so.
Here’s an episode (about 5 months old) about NPRs coverage of Elon Musk.
I find it interesting that you continually complain about "media bias" from mainstream sources like NPR, and then all of your own media recommendations come from Youtube channels or podcasts that are even more biased than the sources that you complain about.
And it's not just you that does this, it's a lot of people.
It suggests to me that the complaints about "media bias" are more complaints about "they aren't reflecting MY views strongly enough".
Precisely. It's like "bias" has been redefined to mean "not-my-bias". So NPR is biased because it's "not-my-bias", but a clearly biased Youtube channel is not biased because it is indeed "my-bias". It's nuts.
People do not want objective journalism anymore, they want validation of their own bias. If it's not actively affirming listener's biases then it is obviously biased. What a fucked definition of bias that is.
Precisely. It’s like “bias” has been redefined to mean “not-my-bias”. So NPR is biased because it’s “not-my-bias”, but a clearly biased Youtube channel is not biased because it is indeed “my-bias”. It’s nuts.
Let's pretend, for just a moment, that I created a news network with the tagline, "We report, you decide" and then I filled it with GOP talking points, what would you call that?
I'd call it "Fox News".
But who is seriously claiming that NPR is "not biased"? I doubt even NPR would claim that.
That would be the faggot whose cock you're riding in this very conversation, cytotoxic:
It’s like “bias” has been redefined to mean “not-my-bias”.
Uh... bias has always meant "not-my-bias". If I flip a coin that comes up heads 80% of the time it's a biased coin whether it coming up heads more often works in my favor or not.
*head in hands*
I don't listen to NPR for the same reason I don't watch "contra points".
Do you get it now?
Yes.
Which media sources are not biased, per your definition?
While Zeb correctly touches on the point below really well, I’ll help spell it out for you.
Back in like the late 90s, early 2000s during the more ‘federated’ internet time, I remember reading an extensive blog post from someone who had spent a couple of decades in the news business and had eventually left in disgust. The topic of his post was bias in the media. And he made a careful point to say that it wasn’t really the bias that was the problem… it was the hypocrisy that was the problem.
He pointed out the statistical fact that 9 out of 10 newsrooms in America were run by left-liberal card-carrying Democrats. Then along came Fox news which had some conservatives in the editorial room, and “suddenly we have a problem”.
That didn’t answer ObviouslyNotSpam’s question.
Then answer it yourself.
You can call him sarcasmic, no need to play along with his socking anymore than there's a reason to play along with trannies who want their cock waxed at a women's day spa, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.
Perhaps the red herring nature of the question is why Paul didn't answer it explicitly, or perhaps he thinks there's no such thing as an unbiased news source, unlike you and your buttbuddies sarcasmic and Brandyfuck who believe NPR is fair and balanced.
While his non-response may indeed be his answer, I would certainly like to know (a) if there are any such unbiased news sources, and (b) if so, which ones they (in his opinion, obviously) are. Paul is one of the more "normal" posters here. (Sorry for that kiss of death!)
Unlike you, I do not wish to have my hand held by information providers I already agree with. As we have seen with Fox, they soon abandon their objectivity and revert to directly serving their base's biases. The only way I know of to reliably sift through the bias is to read several sources with different obvious biases--which is inefficient and time consuming.
And, of course, it was also a rhetorical question, because I suspect any sources he does consider "unbiased" I probably would not.
I often run new information sources through "Media Bias/Fact Check", just to see who's behind them and what they have said (false) before. It's not a perfect system, but it saves me time.
The problem isn't in some sources being biased or having a particular POV. Of course everyone is biased. The problem is pretending that these giant media organizations which dominate national media are not biased and presenting a particular POV.
Are you characterizing NPR as a "giant media organization"?
Are you filling in for White Mike today?
ObviouslyNotSpam, the conservative and conservative-leaning Libertarian commenters here do not like their bubbly bitching sessions to be interrupted with questions.
sarcasmic has been here as long as you have, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq., you don't need to explain things to him. He's been operating this particular sock for several months.
Reminder. Don't call Mike a lefty shit. But he can do the opposite
They have very broad reach and are widely considered a major, serious national news source.
In my rough estimation, NPR is about as biased to the left as Reason is to the right. They are both far from the extremes. And they are both about as factual as one another, so if they say something factual, odds are it wasn't due to a planted story from a state actor or other power source. Media which score worse on these points just wastes my time.
However, I would not consider either NPR or Reason to be "giant media organizations" which "dominate national media".
They have as many local affiliates as ABC, CBS and NBC, and you just got done citing them as paragons of unbiased news reporting, sarcasmic. Is there any particular of that characterization you would disagree with? If so why?
I don't think anyone is claiming that NPR is "not biased". I certainly am not. But my point is that NPR's bias is slight compared to the biases on display in Diane's recommended media sources. Who do you think is more biased - NPR or Glenn Greenwald? It may be that Greenwald is right on many things, but that doesn't make him "unbiased".
NPR by a country fucking mile.
There are lots of things I disagree with Greenwald on. Economic issues etc. But when Glenn Greenwald reports something, I know he's crossed his Ts and dotted his Is. This is why most of the people I follow closely are left-leaning people.
Are you kidding me?
Give me any Greenwald video and I will show you examples of where he lies by omission, uses mockery to dismiss otherwise valid arguments, argues from the basis of "shadowy conspiracies", and otherwise caters to his audience by presenting to them the point of view that they expect.
If it is any story at all involving the CIA or NSA, will he even attempt to offer the good-faith justification or rationale for what the CIA/NSA are doing? Fat chance.
He is anti-surveillance and anti-spying. Good for him. I am glad he is anti-surveillance and anti-spying. That doesn't make his reporting on those matters "fair and balanced".
Then choose a video and do so dumbfuck. You asked for a video yet claim any would suffice. So go do it. Back up your assertion.
It's not the fucking job of a reporter to fabricate justifications and rationales for the CIA and NSA you fascist lardass bootlicking piece of shit. Jesus fuck.
Examples?
Again, to be clear, it's not just the bias that's the problem, it's this that's the problem... from the much-missed Christopher Hitchens:
Think of it like this:
There are 50 governors in America, and a current Sitting President.
If you spend all of your energy writing about one and only one of those governors, and spend a huge amount of time on the former president... again, even if everything you write is true-- technically true or mostly true- or even when writing about the other 49 governors and/or the Current President-- yet always find a way somewhere in the article to say, "And this rather reminds me of Crazy Donald Trump!), while simply not spending that much time on the other 49... that tells me something about where all of your eyeball time is going.
Never mind that those 49 other governors are not going to run for President in 2024.
Asa Hutchinson has announced his candidacy. Ron DeSantis has not. If you're going to try to deflect, try deflecting away from your own goal you fucking retard.
He’s in the same boat as Newsome
Citation on level of bias Heffer? Or is it that they agree with your left wing bias more so seem centrist?
See their coverage, or intentional lack of it as unimportant, of hunters laptop (real) vs trump russia (fake)
Perhaps your blubbery fat man tits are flapping up and obscuring your vision, you obese piece of shit. Let me help you out. Again.
Greenwald is more interested in Ttuth than Agenda, NPR is more interested in Agenda than Truth.
Got any more brain busters?
Lol another Glenn fanboi
They *both* push narratives. Greenwald pushes an anti establishment, anti surveillance, anti CIA/NSA narrative. Now there is a lot of merit to his narrative but it is still a narrative. I would not trust him to present fairly all sides of any issue involving the above. Why he talks with absolute contempt about mainstream media outlets. Whether or not the contempt is deserved, it is nonetheless not "fair and balanced".
"Hurrrrrrr reporting on the narrative pushing is also narrative pushing! Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"
Maybe you should just stick to peddling pedophilia you stupid, fat piece of shit.
I keep telling this story and will tell it here because it’s exceedingly cogent. I was a disagreeable but faithful listener of NPR for a little more than a decade until Trump pulled out of The Paris Accord in 2016.
They had a Harvard Economist (I believe it was Keyu Jin but I could be mistaken) on talking about how China had a more comprehensive and coherent plan to tackle global warming. The host asked about China’s growing emissions relative to China’s shrinking emissions. The Economist explained that yes US’s emissions have shrunk and China’s emissions are both larger, have grown, and have grown faster since Kyoto and Paris, but because of Trump’s erratic approach, success wasn’t guaranteed and that the US needed to adopt a more centralized model with more stable leadership in order to address the problem. I was reeling. Not ‘China needs to industrialize and can’t meet the reductions the US has.’ or even ‘There are many solutions and globally everyone needs to step up.’ just straight up, ‘The US needs to adopt Chinese-style communism.’ and, after admitting that the US emissions were lower and had dropped, not even to save the planet, but switch to a model that was more actively harming the planet.
The interviewer didn’t stop to say “Wait a minute…” or “Are you saying…” but plodded along with the “We do have to adopt a better plan here…” narrative before moving on. Finally, closing out the interview, they handed out the typical credits where credit is/was due and it was done in partnership with RFE/RL. I was flabbergasted. Whether you like that it was founded by the CIA or not, RFE/RL was created to combat censorship by the Soviets in Eastern Europe. I thought/wondered if a broadcast network set up to combat communist propaganda in Europe was also broadcasting the unequivocally communist propaganda I had just listened to. It was mind blowing.
As had been the case for years, there were always stories that made me dubious about continuing to listen to NPR. Innskeep did an interview with David Duke in which Innskeep *tried* more times than Duke to implicate “The Jews” or bait Duke into doing so, which Duke refused repeatedly, to the effect of Innskeep more willingly blaming “The Jews” than David Duke. But anti-AGW, pro-Chinese pollution, Chicoms, CIA funding, broadcasting Chicom propaganda into Eastern Europe… I was done.
Cool story, bro. I'd be pissed off, too, after devoting my precious time to listening to that.
I don't have time to listen or view media. Write it down or it may as well not exist...
So the poster child of cronyist billionaires sucking at the public teat.....is getting a free pass from most of the commenters here.
If this was an article on government subsidies, you’d see plenty of criticism. This is about labeling a state propaganda shill as such on a private platform, so there is no criticism offered.
It is possible to hold 2 thoughts in your brain. Well, maybe not your brain, but most brains.
1) I object to green subsidies and am disappointed that they are so prevalent that Musk has made billions selling cars to rich people whose purchases are taxpayer subsidized.
2) Musk is correct in labeling state controlled media as such.
3) Musk is "state-affiliated"
You keep saying "state-affiliated" when I believe the label was "state-funded" or "government-funded".
That is correct. You can see it on Twitter right now: https://twitter.com/NPR
It is now; he first labeled it "state-affiliated", before quietly changing it to "government-funded"...
Good news: people are talking about Musk again!
He did not ‘quietly’ change it.
Elon Musk says NPR’s ‘state-affiliated media’ label might not have been accurate
Quietly changing is updating the definition of Vaccine or “gain of function” on your webstie without making a public statement on it the change.
Elon Musk says NPR’s ‘state-affiliated media’ label might not have been accurate should have been in italics as it was a quote from an NPR article.
So, they objected to "state-affiliated", their objection had merit, and it was changed. Seems like a pretty reasonable way to do something.
You almost made a good argument that people shouldn’t be so free with throwing out accusations of “quietly changing” Internet content. Then you undermined that argument by freely throwing out a couple accusations that someone “quietly changed” a website, showing that all you really object to is when someone accuses your team of “quietly changing” something.
Caw Caw!
Elon Musk made the change public and it was reported on for days by every major news wire. Jesus Christ you brain damaged fucking retard, let me write your shit for you if you're this bad at it.
As far as I can tell, it was never announced on Tweeter. He mentioned possibly doing something in interviews and emails, and eventually did change NPR's label, but he has never announced that he was changing NPR's label from "state-affiliated media" or why. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will point me to it. I'm not a subscriber.
Indeed, the language Twatter's own media labelling policy previously used to explain the meaning of "state-affiliated media" included NPR as _an example_ of media which was not "state-affiliated". That language disappeared, and has yet to reappear. Here's how it currently reads:
"How state-affiliated media accounts are defined
State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution. Accounts belonging to state-affiliated media entities, their editors-in-chief, and/or their prominent staff may be labeled. We will also add labels to Tweets that share links to state-affiliated media websites."
They only time they're not "government affiliated" is when a republican is heading it. In this case they are both affiliated and funded.
"...3) Musk is “state-affiliated”..."
No, but brandyshit is a TDS-addled pile of shit.
Musk does not get a “free pass” here. If a cronyist billionaire says “the sun rises in the east” we don’t discount that statement because he’s a cronyist billionaire.
To be clear I have zero problems saying that the American Auto Industry, in which Tesla is a full, card-carrying member is "state funded".
If a cronyist billionaire says “the sun rises in the east” we don’t discount that statement because he’s a cronyist billionaire.
And some of us even go on to point out that regardless of whether the sun rises in the East or not: -EVs, Tesla included, are a scam that are being economically forced on the world by elitist watermelon fanbois. -Musk is a modestly-high functioning engineer and über competent huckster who’s EV tractor-trailers make no sense, who’s cybertruck was laughably bad, whose battery swap demonstration was a slight-of-hand that Penn Gillette would be insulted to watch, and who has yet to deliver on the promise of a $30K EV. -Even if he is an über competent huckster, SpaceX is cheaper than NASA and like in many, many, many places in our government, a cheap, self-aggrandizing huckter who still believes in some semblance of liberty and economics is better than the “We will bury you.” status quo.
Few large industries are not "state funded", if that's your talisman--rendering the label meaningless.
It's like claiming that the petroleum industry is being "subsidized" by governments building and maintaining roads.
The other leftists already tried this tactic chicken little. Show one poster here who supports ev subsidies.
3 retards all employing the same lame-ass false attempt at tu quoque. Tu quoque can be very powerful, if you're bright enough to compare two like things.
I listen to see what the best and brightest have in store for us. Trending is eminent domain for climate and top down, federal government planned public housing projects.
it was entirely paid for by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), which was created by the Public Broadcasting Act signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1967. Democrats at the time were enamored with the idea of improving the breadth and quality of educational programming.
Gov ran media………. 100%.
Enacted by a “Democrat” (i.e. [Na]tional So[zi]alist fan).
Ya; I’m not joking. The left are literally the Nazi’s of today by every action they take and by everything they worship/politically idolize. People’s should realize that before the Gestapo police gets stronger and the Gas Chambers start running.
Does anyone really think a majority of German citizens started out knowing what king of ‘party’ they were supporting when they praised Hitler? It wasn’t until Hitler was long gone that all the sh*t/truth hit the fan.
Every USA-Patriot should be consistent about LIMITED Gov-Gun usage and should be against Gov-Gun Commie and Socialist political structures creeping in. They ARE UN-Constitutional and treasonous to the USA.
For F'Sakes; GUNS don't make sh*t.
Their only purpose is to ensure Individual Liberty and Justice.
Government isn't anything but a monopoly of GUN force.
Stop trying to use a sledge hammer to fix your radio. WRONG TOOL.
What was it like when Trump ran it?
You mean when The Resistance ran it? Or do you think Trump was in the editing booth?
Yeah, elect him again, so he can again get pwned by "the Resistance". Brilliant plan.
"What was it like when Trump ran it?"
Are you paid to be stupid, or do you come by it naturally?
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Yes... They literally are "paid to be stupid."
One of the perks of building a [WE] Gov-Gun Armed-Theft gang government.
Hollllly shit, we are living in some upside-down-through-the-looking-glass shit right now.
Naomi Fucking Wolf just gave a talk at Hillsdale College.
I haven't really followed Ms. Wolf these last few years-- she was more of a fixture in the early 2000s-- I did get a kick out of Camille Paglia's takedowns of her. I've listened to part of the talk, and the best I can guess, is the impetus for this event was Ms. Wolf got 'deplatformed' over her reporting on women's health after the mRNA vaccine.
There's a thread of commonality here on left/right alliances that I won't go into, but the observant among you are probably already on to it.
I can see why you like her. She's a conspiracy nut.
I don't like her. She's an old school nth-wave grievance feminist criticized beautifully by my favorite feminist, Camille Paglia.
Is she a TERF?
The conspiracies that were always true and you denied?
Which conspiracy is that, lardass? That COVID leaked from a lab in Wuhan? That the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission of the virus? That not a single American boot is on the ground in Ukraine? Go ahead and get those greasy sausage fingers furiously citing, fat boy.
Why do you keep changing your name?
Well Hillsdale has gone downhill since the days of Phillips and Roche. My guess is that they invited Wolf because of her anti-vaxx conspiracy mongering.
By anti-vaxx conspiracy mongering, you mean claiming that the vaxx does not keep you from contracting covid, nor does it stop the spread? Or the claim that the vaccine was confirmed to change the menstrual cycles of women, which was vigorously denied, then when it came out that it absolutely did, that message was changed to “Ok, it’s happening, but it’s not as bad as you say”, that kind of conspiracy mongering?
But here's the thing. You are right that the government's and Pfizer's claims about the vaccine efficacy was not as strong as they initially claimed it was. That doesn't mean every crank and conspiracy nut is correct in their crankery.
Ok, Scott Adams.
Are you seriously going to tell me the vaccine doesn't contain microchips? Get out you leftist!
Is that strawman left over from your horse ranch or are they going hungry just to keep your arguments going?
Not a strawman, from your new hero Dr. Naomi Wolf:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57374241
A 2 year old article in state-funded media is a lot better than most of your cites, I have to admit. It still doesn't make your buttbuddy's strawman any less of a strawman. On the other hand, you managed to create a strawman of your very own in calling Naomi Wolf Paul's "new hero" when all he did was point out the strangeness of her being a speaking at Hillsdale.
Here's a copy of her tweet: https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1365942042195603459
Seems a perfectly normal thing to say...
It’s a joke. Take a sedative. Though people really do believe that. And that's what makes it funny.
Coming from the histrionic cunt who goes into apoplectic alcohol-fueled rages 25 times a day in these comment sections about being persecuted by Mean Girls and his "cunt" ex-wife. Death, taxes, and sarcasmic inebriated sputterings: some things never change.
Some people believed that paper masks whose orifices are 5 orders of magnitude larger than the COVID virus were an effective means of stopping the spread of the COVID virus and that anyone who refused to wear one was an "asshole" personally responsible for the deaths of old people. And by "some people" I mean your drunken pathetic bootlicking Nazi ass.
"Not as strong"
Lol.
It means that the person you just called a crank and a conspiracy nut who was right and you were wrong, isn't actually a crank or a conspiracy nut, cytotoxic.
"By anti-vaxx conspiracy mongering, you mean claiming that the vaxx does not keep you from contracting covid, nor does it stop the spread?..."
It's brandyshit, the TDS-addled shit-pile who regularly proves claiming to hold libertarian views is the last refuge of fucking lefty shits posting here.
Anybody else get tons of junk mail from Hillsdale? And it keeps following me from address to address.
You should mute them.
Nope, can't say as I do. I don't opt-in to mailing lists of people I ostensibly hate, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. You should try it some time.
At one point NPR kinds sorta made a little sense. The idea was that they'd get government funding, and in return they'd broadcast in rural places where commercial radio isn't profitable.
Today we've got all kinds of media, satellite radio, data from cell towers, and whatever else I'm not thinking of off the top of my head.
Things have changed.
There's a great argument to be made that NPR has outgrown it's mandate and is no longer needed.
Or at least the government funding part.
I can remember times driving through BFE with a broken tape player and the only choices were gospel, country or NPR. I was glad for NPR.
I remember the NPR station you could dial into on my grandparent’s Nebraska farm just playing classical music all the time. Pretty apolitical “bringing culture to the masses” stuff, and its content was a moot point because everybody listened to the local country station.
Except the lady at the bookstore.
That sounds about right.
The town did finally get a tiny coffee shop/bookstore in the 2010s.
It did have one of those cool Carnegie library buildings, though. My aunt and uncle helped convert it into a community art museum. I assume, but I don’t know, that means the town has a library in some other building.
Man, how did you find time to do all that traveling while you were obtaining your PhD in computer science after your successful career as a commercial property developer after you got done pretending to be a law student and eventual attorney, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.?
I'm sure A Prairie Home Companion got you through a lot of rough nights drinking away the memories of all the cocks you sucked behind 7-11 for a 40 of OE while you were a self-confessed homeless drug addict.
Liz writes so vividly that she needn't even spell out that National Socialist Radio, the Public Brainwashing System and Altruist Things Considered are coercive bloodsucking vampires. Their squeaked and grammatically tortuous insinuation that they qualify as "independent" couldn't be funnier if it came from a tapeworm. The Peoples State of China can surely afford to fund them the way they fund their own Chan Ling Fance Broadcasting. Let the enemy fund it's own anti-energy and disarmament agitprop. Goebbels did.
You, sir, should consider a career in AM talk radio.
Speaking of word crafting, I miss Agile Cyborg. I actually forgot his handle. For shame. I know it wasn't Argyle Cyborg.
Oh, yeah. He was great. There had to be some psychedelic drugs involved.
Reason Contributor, Brendan O'Neill
This article mishmashes how much money goes to NPR/PBS directly and how much goes to the member stations that then filter it to NPR/PBS.
The stupid innumerate cunt nicely papered over her inability to read financial documents with this parenthetical:
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This article shows that the number of non-issues which will inflame the Ignoranti is indeed endless.
Libertarians for publicly-funded media!
How's that bootleather taste, faggot?
This comment probes the ignorance of lefty shits. And finds no lower limit.
Fuck off and die, asshole; make the world a better place.
NPR is no Xinhua
WTHF?
Ctrl+f "global media": 0 results.
Ctrl+f "free europe": 0 results.
Ctrl+f "radio liberty": 0 results.
What a shit take. This may be the one article that kills Reason for me. The straw that breaks the camel's back. Similar is what killed NPR for me.
John Lansing, NPR's CEO, worked as the first head of the US Agency for Global Media (USAGM) for four years prior to taking the position with NPR. He was appointed head of the USAGM by Barack Obama after the USAGM was created by Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton formed the USAGM specifically to combine and streamline the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the US Information Agency (USIA), the Foreign Services Division of which (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) was set up and operated by Allen Dulles *while he was Director of the CIA* and received subsidies from the CIA until 1971. To say nothing of the fact that the USIA was overtly established as the US's PR firm, quickly becoming larger than the next 20 US PR firms combined, and enjoyed dubious special privileges like being able to criminally prosecute people broadcasting or even screening USIA productions on US soil.
Even without the funding going directly to NPR, the CPB's board is appointed by Congress and controls the funding. Donors to NPR are getting a tax break knowingly giving money this end. Further, at multiple times in the agglomeration of the CPB/USIA/USAGM, money or incentives were given to local independent broadcasters to carry the broadcasts and/or become affiliates.
Saying NPR isn't state-affiliated media is like saying the BBC or CBC aren't state-affiliated media.
You mean, like Twatter's own rules used to say?
"How state-affiliated media accounts are defined
State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution. Accounts belonging to state-affiliated media entities, their editors-in-chief, and/or their senior staff may be labeled.
State-financed media organizations with editorial independence, like the BBC in the UK or NPR in the US for example, are not defined as state-affiliated media for the purposes of this policy."
https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/state-affiliated-china
This is actually still on Twitter, but only in the section about China--they removed it from the general government labels explanation. (Oops... I expect they will conform it with the general policy eventually.)
Radios in our home have been tuned to NPR stations since the 1970s. What's not to like: Great classical music and jazz, opera every Saturday, "Chapter-a-Day" readings, funny games, "Higher Ground" etc. News/editorials/comments --- not so much, but there is the "Off" button.
I don't know a single person who quotes NPR verbiage, and I swim in a swamp of wokeness. This thing is harmless.
I used to listen to all the obvious NPR shows: “Car Talk”, “Prairie Home Companion”, “Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me”.
Guess I stopped listening to any radio when podcasts came along. Ironically, I think podcasts were the only place I listened to Terry Gross. Her politics always messed up interviews on political topics but she was the best interviewer around for non-political topics. She was especially good at interviewing musicians.
"...I don’t know a single person who quotes NPR verbiage, and I swim in a swamp of wokeness..."
A fish doesn't know it swims in water either; stupidity explains much about fish and you.
John Wayne Gacy used a clown costume to hide his evil intent. PBS uses a "Big Bird" costume to hide its evil intent.
Stevie Wonder’s absolute baddest-ass performance of “Superstition” was the one he did on Sesame Street:
https://youtu.be/_ul7X5js1vE
And Mush doesn't need subsidies either.
Hey Elon! How about you give up all your government subsidies? Much of your fortune has been created by opportunities taking advantage of the US government and the US tax payer.
And I hope and pray that Twitter crashes and burns. You are to Twitter Rupert Murdoch is the Fox News and you're both toxic.
You're certainly right about the Tesla subsidies.
Other than that, you are to news what the NYT is; fucking evil.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
Twitter is doing just fine, mind you.
Name one thing that came out of the Johnson administration that looks good today. Second only to FDR in unintended consequences.
There is no valid reason for any tax payer monies to be given to NPR or PBS by the government. We need to tighten the belt of government expenditures across the board, but funding NPR or PBS should be stopped.
Federal funding aside, the FCC licencing units of government, such as state universities and state broadcasting agencies is the real insult to the first amendment. If Enormous State U (which ought to be privatized, anyway) wants their journalism students to get some on-air and production experience, a separate, private non-profit, where students from any school, governmental or private, could intern, should be set up. No appointments by the gov or state officials. Funds for that stick should be raised privately – no tax money.
– Thomas Jefferson
Defund PBS (the Public Broadcasting System), too.
"Why can't NPR and PBS privatize and charge customers a small monthly fee to view their content, the way many other platforms do?"
PBS already does - my PBS app on my Amazon Fire TV wants a subscription in order to view prior content.
And how to you know that PBS doing that and not Amazon?
In any case, NPR and PBS should still both be defunded.
Sure, I'm fine with that.
Just as long as it's not really just being done to one side, which is the usual political approach.
NPR is the reason the is no successful left wing talk radio.
Like Warren Buffet or Tom Steyer?