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Politics

Ax Government Funding for NPR

NPR is no Xinhua, but Elon Musk is correct that it doesn't need government subsidies.

Liz Wolfe | 4.13.2023 12:05 PM

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Defund NPR: End Government Subsidies for Public Broadcasting | Illustration: Lex Villena; Jakub Gojda
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Yesterday, NPR announced that it was leaving Twitter after CEO Elon Musk slapped a "state-affiliated media" label on its account—the same label used for outlets like the Chinese propaganda publication Xinhua, which has been described by watchdogs and scholars as the "eyes and tongue" of the Chinese Communist Party and "the world's biggest propaganda agency."

"NPR's organizational accounts will no longer be active on Twitter because the platform is taking actions that undermine our credibility by falsely implying that we are not editorially independent," reads the statement from executives. "We are not putting our journalism on platforms that have demonstrated an interest in undermining our credibility and the public's understanding of our editorial independence." The Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) followed suit, to which Musk replied: "Publicly funded PBS joins publicly funded NPR in leaving Twitter in a huff after being labeled 'Publicly Funded.'"

Musk's decision to slap such a label on NPR's account sure looks like a textbook culture war provocation, eyeing NPR as a target ripe for roasting by his followers. (He tweeted "Defund NPR," sharing a screenshot of an email an NPR reporter had sent him asking for comment.) But there's more than a grain of truth to what he's saying, and if NPR stopped taking government funds, it could clear its own name.

So how state-funded is NPR, really? At its inception, it was entirely paid for by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), which was created by the Public Broadcasting Act signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1967. Democrats at the time were enamored with the idea of improving the breadth and quality of educational programming. "While we work every day to produce new goods and to create new wealth, we want most of all to enrich man's spirit," said Johnson. "That is the purpose of this act."

So in 1970, the CPB formed NPR, which started with 88 station affiliates; All Things Considered launched a year later. For that first decade and change, NPR happily chomped away at that government teat, ultimately landing itself in major financial trouble in the early '80s, accused of reckless spending by the Government Accountability Office and forced by the CPB to restructure. Instead of the government giving money directly to NPR, which could then be given out to member stations, the CPB decided to give funds to member stations—which now number more than 1,000—to buy NPR content, which remains the structure today (thus making it tough to suss out how much federal funding NPR actually gets).

As of 2017, NPR got 38 percent of its funding from individual donors; 19 percent from corporate sponsors; 10 percent from foundations; 10 percent from university licensing; and about 4 percent from the government. The CPB still funds NPR via the member station funds doled out, to the tune of roughly 10 percent nowadays, but it's tough to say exactly how much tainted taxed-away money is flowing into NPR's now-resplendent coffers. (Do public university funds count, for example?)

PBS, for its part, gets roughly 15 percent of its funding from the CPB, with a hefty chunk coming from individual and corporate donors.

Tea Partiers and Trumpists have all cyclically threatened to ax public radio funding, and they ought to follow through—in part because NPR can surely stand on its own two legs now.

NPR wants to have it both ways: Its supporters say less than 1 percent of its funding comes from the government but its website claims "federal funding is essential to public radio's service to the American public." It wants to continue holding out its hands for government funding, but it also wants to brag about complete and total editorial independence—two ideas held in tension—while developing quite the reputation for lefty bias (backed up by the Knight Foundation and Pew Research Center audience polling), which leaves conservative and libertarian taxpayers' stomachs churning.

But Tea Partiers of yore, Trumpy types today, and Musk fanboys miss that it's not that NPR is totally wrong on everything, or the enemy of the people, or a Pravda-style propaganda arm of the U.S. government. NPR has reported on the Social Security Ponzi scheme; how petty fines lead to driver's license suspensions; not to mention airing the dulcet tones of Reason's own Nick Gillespie making the case for…defunding public radio. ("The idea that we have an inalienable right to Car Talk or Sesame Street to be piped in over tax-supported airwaves strikes me as a stretch," said Gillespie in 2010.) NPR does good work at times and has shifted its funding model over the years to rely much more on individual, corporate, and foundation contributions. Its member stations ought to do the same, and all of them can succeed or fail of their own merit, the way pretty much all other publications and broadcasters do in this country.

What started as, essentially, a Great Society initiative designed to provide a diversity of programming options for the poor and downtrodden has outlasted its usefulness in the era of Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, and those little devices we keep in our pockets at all times that can stream any podcast on demand. The media landscape is totally different from how it was in 1967, and government allocation of funding ought to reflect that.

Why can't NPR and PBS privatize and charge customers a small monthly fee to view their content, the way many other platforms do? You still saw that Succession episode and you still read that New York Times or Bloomberg article even though you had to pay for the content (or prioritize what to consume due to cost).

It's time for the federal government to kick NPR and PBS out of the nest; your taxpayer dollars should never have been subsidizing Big Bird, Tiny Desk concerts, or those insufferable tote bags in the first place, and they certainly shouldn't now in the era of audiovisual abundance.

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  1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

    NPR has been the mouthpiece for the Left Wing of the D Party for 50 years, who are you trying to kid?
    It is state sponsored propaganda on behalf of only half of the state.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      No worries. If you want to listen to mouthpieces for the Republican party, just tune into talk radio. You'll have to wade through a metric ton of commercials for gold and dick pills, but you'll get your fix of right-wing propaganda.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        All privately funded, with much larger audiences. But don't let the differences stop your puerile boaf sideizm.

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        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          That's what a metric ton of commercials means? Wow. Thanks for telling me.

          1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            The point is your post was entirely unnecessary and blatant hoax sideizm, puerile nonsense. It added nothing to the conversation other than you once again shit posting and then crying when people call you out on it. Rinse and repeat every single fucking day. Do you enjoy playing the martyr?

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

              Wah wah wah says the teacher on the Peanuts.

              1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago (edited)

                You are fuckin terrible, and a plague on the board. Heaven forbid you actually consider what he calmly and rationally explained to you, and take it to heart as constructive criticism

                1. Nardz   2 years ago

                  Instead of troll attempts to distract from the topic, try this one:

                  https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1646604825583587329?t=RV1MzIGXcFjJdKq96wvdxw&s=19

                  Nothing As It Seems

                  It appears the madness in the empire’s star chambers has been cranked to 11, and they have gone and royally beclowned themselves with this “document leak” PSYOP.

                  And make no mistake, a PSYOP is precisely what we are dealing with here.

                  Not only is it inarguably a PSYOP, but it is one that must have been conceived at the highest levels of the ruling junta.

                  How do we know this?

                  BECAUSE THE REACTION OF ALL THE EMPIRE’S POWER APPARATUS HAS BEEN TIGHTLY COORDINATED AND CAREFULLY SCRIPTED!

                  Not only that, but the dopes bumbled and provided their patsy with documents whose provenance necessarily traces to TWO siloed sources: The DoD *AND* the CIA.

                  (Larry Johnson talks about this today in a short interview on Judging Freedom.)

                  This means the package of documents that the adolescent gamer boys are alleged to have been playing with in a dark corner of the internet could only have come from someone with access to *BOTH* Pentagon and CIA reports.

                  There can’t be many people who fall into that category.

                  But what’s the play here?

                  Maybe there’s a hint in the Ukrainian announcement that, because of this damaging leak, their best-laid plans have been compromised, and therefore the “spring” offensive must be delayed until summer.

                  Of course, the real problem is they don’t have an army. They went through their first two like kegs at a frat party, and they can’t seem to conjure up a third ex nihilo.

                  The only way to keep the party going is to *IMPORT* a new army.

                  [Links]

                2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  If he needs a sounding board for his latest batch of insults, I'm not volunteering for the job.

            2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              The only shitposters on this thread are you and your buddy from Canada. Everyone else is having a civil conversation.

              1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                Says the idiot who posted the drivel about conservative media. The only person playing the martyr is you. Calling out your shit posting is not crying. It is making an observation about how you whine about others being mean but always invite it and then scream when people push back. Just like you're doing now.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  The only one screaming is you.

                  1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                    I'm not screaming I'm pointing out in a reasonable tone. See, this is another typical ploy you do, mischaractetize what others are doing, always in a way that makes you out to be the aggrieved party. That's actually a sign of narcissism. Which fits a lot of your other wonderful traits we've all come to love.

                    1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

                      I think being openly hypocritical before the world is his kink.

                    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      I'm reading your posts in the voice of Sam Kinson.

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                      I’m imagining you at a party. You see someone you want to single out. You home in. At the right distance you shout “Stop yelling at everyone! You’re such an asshole! Why do you ruin every party!” Then you proceed in your psychiatric evaluation. Your friends are so befuddled that they go along, while sane people look around in bewilderment.

                    4. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                      Another sign of narcissism is attacking and belittling anyone who criticizes you. And projecting onto them your own faults. Keep ticking the boxes.

                    5. Maple Calder   2 years ago

                      Get a couple more glugs of plastic jug Walmart vodka in him and let him tell you all about his "cunt" ex-wife some time. Or how his homelessness, drug addiction and felony conviction are all somebody's fault but his.

            3. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Once you realize sarc has to virtual signal to the only people who don't laugh at him daily (Mike, jeff, shrike, r3st of the leftists) you see his only intention here becomes defending the left while pretending not to.

          2. Nobartium   2 years ago

            Imagine lecturing others on capitalism while pretending that advertisements are subsidies.

          3. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

            Much worse than a metric ton of pleadings for cash for the opportunity to get a "free" tote bag.

        3. Djea3   2 years ago

          Actually NPR admits that it receive 11% minimum through government agencies. This mean that 11% of their money come from MY POCKET one way or another.
          Bottom line is that they have been spouting left wing nonsense for as long as I remember, well back into the 70's. At that time more than half of their funding was direct Federal funding. Until they got caught mismanaging funds. Then the fed backed off a little.

          The bottom line is that 11% is the Gorilla in donations. this is true even if it is parsed up into smaller bite from different alphabet soup of government agencies. However, that does NOT include the affiliate funding that is paid by affiliates to NPR. About 2/3 of the affiliates are actually publicly funded college radio. This means that in the end, most likely 2/3 or more of NPR budget comes from the government in one way or another.

          The is actually unacceptable at all from my standpoint. it also explains the rampant leftism in colleges and why NPR does not want MUSK and the PEOPLE talking about what is actually happening, they certainly do not want us to trace the $$$ and find that their number are skewed for political purpose.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Conservative talk radio is funded by the government? Yeah, I'll need to see a citation on that, Sarcasmic.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          You could just re-read what he actually wrote, three comments up...

          Nah, too hard. You'd rather react to what he didn't write.

          1. Nobartium   2 years ago

            Except for the basic fact that they still aren't funded via your tax dollars, great point.

            1. Djea3   2 years ago

              Actually, they are. 2/3 of the affiliate required license fees come from public colleges and university that have broadcasting centers. This mean that 11% of their money comes directly from government agencies in one manner or another and 2/3 of the affiliate $$ come from....publicly funded universities paying fees to them from out tax dollars.

              The problem is that MOST Americans will read the lie and believe it, instead of reading on and finding where the "speaker" hid the facts with a sidelong truth and refused to talk about real truth.

              In other words, it behooves NPR to commit the lie of omission while telling just enough to let one who actual cogitates find the truth. Can't claim that they didn't tell you, they just parsed the truth up into hidden facts. You been lied to sucker.

              1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                I don't think that takes away anything from his point... it's NPR that's getting funded by government taxes, not conservative talk radio. sarcasmic, ObviouslyNotSpam and Libertariantranslator seem incapable of understanding this.

                1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                  Nope. The only one here who has alleged that conservative talk radio is government funded, is ML.

                  1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                    Conservative talk radio is funded by the government? Yeah, I’ll need to see a citation on that, Sarcasmic.

                    What part of this do you fail to comprehend? You're proving my point... you are incapable of understanding both facts and context.

          2. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

            He wouldn’t be Mother’s Lament if he responded to what people actually say. No, he makes stuff up and responds to that.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              I responded to exactly what you said, Sarckles. Shrike was white knighting for you which, as usual, involved lying about what I said.

          3. Maple Calder   2 years ago

            He addressed exactly what you said, sarcasmic. And replying to yourself from the sock you've already outed several times is just embarrassing at this point. Even by your alcohol-induced ugly-crying standards.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Hi Tulpa.

              1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

                His Sqrsly! Glad to see you're still too stupid and autistic to detect socks, which is why you're so fucking dog shit at operating them and out them every 3rd post.

            2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

              I thought I was supposed to be SPB's sock? Or is sarcasmic also supposed to be SPB's sock? Or is it the other way around?

              Your fantasy life is so confusing!

          4. Sevo   2 years ago

            ^ Spam is usually more intelligent.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Cite?

          5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "ObviouslyNotShrike 4 hours ago
            You could just re-read what he actually wrote, three comments up…"

            Umm, Shrike, he sure as fuck inferred it.

            But SkyNet is a Private Company 5 hours ago
            NPR has been the mouthpiece for the Left Wing of the D Party for 50 years, who are you trying to kid?
            It is state sponsored propaganda on behalf of only half of the state.

            sarcasmic 5 hours ago
            No worries. If you want to listen to mouthpieces for the Republican party, just tune into talk radio.

      3. NOYB2   2 years ago

        No worries. If you want to listen to mouthpieces for the Republican party, just tune into talk radio. You’ll have to wade through a metric ton of commercials for gold and dick pills, but you’ll get your fix of right-wing propaganda.

        The issue is that my tax dollars are used for progressive propaganda, not the lack of alternative sources of news.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          So you know, NPR isn't the voice of half of the state. Everything I've seen, heard and read tells me that the vast majority of government employees are Democrats. It's as bad as academia. So they really are the voice of the state, as far as the politics of the people who comprise the state goes (don't confuse the state with society, that's a different matter).

      4. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

        That is true. When I spun pizzas 50 yards from SMU, my bosses huddled over the John Birch newsletter with Garner Ted Armstrong droning over the radio. "Naygras are the missing link" they averred, and excoriated the Fed the way 1860s Dems did Lincoln, Abolition and the National Bank. Fascist radio was mostly before CB radio culture led to call-in voelkischer rallies with shill callers lined up around the block. Librulz and Jyooz were as evil to them then as FDR was when he okayed atomic bomb research in October 1939. Alex Jones is a throwback to Coughlin.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          I'm talking about the supposedly objective hosts who will back Republicans without criticism at every opportunity. Sure they're paid for by corporations instead of taxes. Who cares? They're still different sides of the same propaganda coin. To get hung up on the taxes part ignores the propaganda part.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "To get hung up on the taxes part ignores the propaganda part."

            Look at those goalposts move. Must be going 60 - 75 miles per hour.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Back in the blackest hills and hearts of the dog devils of Kissimmee, Florida, the rhubarb rednecks took their seig-heils from AM radio's own crucified girl-boss. If Comstock was the solution then God's own gun toting touts would negate the nattering nabobs of negativity between five and six PM on weekends.

      5. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        Tu quoque would work better if you were comparing two things that are alike you drunken fucking piece of shit.

      6. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        Big talk from you. When are you going to back it up? You’ve been hiding from me for over two months you little bitch. Still waiting for that ass kicking.

      7. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        And chiropractors, Christian credit repair services, and buckets of "survival food" that would destroy all but steel-plated pancreases (pancreae? Pancrei? Pancreum?)

        1. Diarrheality   2 years ago

          That would be pancreata.

      8. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        Are you implying NPR wouldn’t be able to survive as a commercial entity?

        If you are, I agree with you.

        1. Djea3   2 years ago

          If you took away the 2/3 of their income from affiliate fees (all public colleges and universities and therefore 100% tax money) then they would collapse within weeks. Take away the 11% that they admit to and in 8 months they are bust. Take BOTH away, and I guaranty you that they would not last 30 days.

          While there are huge donors by any standard, without the government dollar those that donate would not bother, they do not throw good money after bad. too wealthy to do that.

      9. thunderbolt   2 years ago

        Why fund left-wing radio with government funds that every taxpayer pays? How about left-wingers start their own talk radio station? Oh, now I remember ... nobody listens to it.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Air America was great!

    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      It is state sponsored propaganda on behalf of only half of the state.

      You are confused about how much power countervailing opinions and the people who have them matter. Half is waaaayyyyy to generous. Know your place prole. NPR, I am sure, has a segement to inform you on proper think regarding this topic.

    3. Zeb   2 years ago

      Maybe it's just me, but I feel like they have gotten way worse in the past 5-10 years. There was a time when they at least attempted to appear as a neutral news source.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Really? I still listen now and then while driving. And while the opinion/entertainment is blatantly pro-D anti-R, the news has always seemed somewhat neutral. More neutral than anything on cable, that's for sure. That stuff will have you dizzy from the spin, and sick from switching directions.

        1. Rossami   2 years ago

          "more neutral than cable" is very faint praise, indeed.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            What options are there? Pick an internet echo chamber, or get biased news from the radio or the internet. Got any suggestions?

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              *radio or tv*

            2. Maple Calder   2 years ago

              You could try getting news and opinion from varying sources and making your own determinations instead of eating whatever narrative is spoonfed to you by public broadcasting, MSNBC, Salon and The Atlantic. You know how you were 3 years late on everything involving COVID because "facts changed" and you wouldn't listen to any "conspiracy theorist" nutcases, like credentialed scientists who sacrificed their careers to publish a manifesto questioning the narrative? Well, the facts wouldn't change quite so violently if you broadened your horizons a little further than the surgeon general's warning label on your plastic jug of Canadian Mist.

              1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                Sarc is an nary, drunken leftist. With a massive obsession for Trump.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Also incorrect. See their statement regarding hunters laptop.

        2. Zeb   2 years ago

          I never watch cable news. Maybe NPR would seem better by comparison.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Sometimes I go places where it is on, and it's still a Don Henley song.

            1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

              If only there was a way to change the channel.

        3. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

          The music was the thing. The other part, communist treacle, was cheaper and more idiomatic than the competition. As a Libertarian Defense Caucus volunteer I paid over $20 a copy for Pravda translated into bad English. The Public Brainwashing system did too, for most of their stuff followed that playbook, but they did it with someone else's money.

    4. long time viewer first time caller   2 years ago (edited)

      There are many things I despise about NPR, but its arrogant insistence that it’s doing an ‘essential public service’ makes my blood boil. They consistently demonstrate blatant leftist bias, deny it explicitly then jerk themselves off that free media is a requirement for democracy. Taking offense to being correctly labeled as government funded media is on-brand for NPR as they continue their eternal crusade to be considered unbiased, legitimate media.

      To their credit, the accuracy of NPR stories is never in question. The information is always accurate and well researched. That was never in question.

      What IS in question is the quality of the stories they choose to report on. During the Trump presidency, I can recall a story they ran about one SINGLE Canadian woman who refused to move to the United States because ‘Donald Trump was running the country into the ground’. And I remember asking myself, what the fuck kind of story is this? Many more examples.

      The formula for any NPR story is as follows:
      1. Factually report correct information on relevant, current topic.
      2. Underhandedly interview irrelevant “experts” or irrelevant people on the street that suspiciously only espouse leftist viewpoints.
      3. Jerk off to your ‘cutting edge’ reporting.

      Or, if you’re interviewing a politician:
      1. Democrat: Easy, softball questions, everyone’s friends here :)).
      2. Republican: Proceed to grill politician on every political viewpoint they’ve ever held.
      3. Jerk off to your ‘cutting edge’ reporting.

      I could go on for days, but NPR taking L’s always makes me smile.

      1. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        "To their credit, the accuracy of NPR stories is never in question."

        Funniest nonsense on the internet today!

        "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor!"
        "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance!"
        "The affordable care act will lower medical costs!"
        "Trump colluded with Russia!"
        "Lock downs will lower mortality rates!"
        "Masks stop transmission!"
        "The jab is a vaccine which protects from infection and transmission!"
        "Progressive ideology is a good thing!"

        These are just a few of the nutcase tropes NPR has promoted over the years - unarguably false as they reported them.

        Noxious Progressive Rationalizations is the poster child for propaganda.

    5. Victor Whisky   2 years ago

      NPR was a station that was totally antiestablishment, anti deep state. They exposed America's dirty secrets, with former CIA officers exposing US funded coups, wars and training of death squads who claimed they were fighting communism when they were actually supporting Untied Fruit and South American Oligarchs who assassinated union leaders, nuns, priests and one cardinal, people who wanted a better life for the populace. It was all factual and irritated the US corporate world and the deep state. When Reagan got in, he did the bidding of the global corporates and the deep state. He defunded NPR and then there was a national purge of NPR administrators and radio managers and replaced with corporate deep state shills. The local manager of the NPR station here is paid $600,000. That is what you have to do to deep state apparatchiks, reward them and there are no shortages of people willing to sell their souls. Musk wants to stop funding of NPR because it has been infiltrated and co-opted by the globalists. It is not right or left, it is globalist deep state, far worse than right or left.

      1. Bobster0   2 years ago

        Take notes from "long time viewer, first time caller". His stuff is easy to read. It is well spaced out and written. Meanwhile Victor Whiskey stuff is tough to read and full of BS.

      2. Djea3   2 years ago

        You forgot to mention that the cause for defunding of NPR was mismanagement of Federal Funds. Originally well over 50% of their funding came from the FEDS directly. Now it comes from public colleges who have radio station affiliates. It comes from various government alphabet soup (admitted 11% of the entire budget comes that way and 2/3 of affiliate fees from public colleges).

        No matter which way you cut it, We the People are paying the bill for this leftist organization to feed us their ideals. They at least admit that they are an EDITORIAL media outlet, not news editorial.

        This is exactly what you described regarding how they approach interviews. And you are incorrect, they do not tell the truth, they tell the truth about what someone else said or did. However they were huge on masks and taking the C-19 shot, which now the entire world is finding may have killed and maimed more than C-19 did.

    6. Rethinker   2 years ago (edited)

      I don’t listen to it much, but it’s like PBS. They try to cover the real issues. You can’t expect as much from private industry. Put somebody like Musk in charge and you’ll get stuff that drives his bottom line. Govt. should keep funding it. It’s a drop in the bucket compared with military spending and legislative quid pro quo appropriations. I mean, how much did we get from the trillions of govt. $$ spent in Iraq and Afghanistan? Just a lot of wounded soldiers. We wouldn't know about that, though, without NPR and PBS.

  2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

    "...and all of them can succeed or fail of their own merit, the way pretty much all other publications and broadcasters do in this country."

    I find that argument...convincing.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      2nd that

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Bit ironic since reason is funded by a billionaire who pals around with soros.

  3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Conservative redneck radio gets a subsidy through its agreement with Armed Forces radio.

    Military’s subsidy of Limbaugh insults taxpayers
    Military’s subsidy of Limbaugh insults taxpayers
    The Pentagon’s defiant pledge to stick with the Rush Limbaugh show, no matter what, demonstrates a few hard and insulting realities.
    .
    The Armed Forces Network (AFN) that carries the Limbaugh show is not a private business, corporation or proprietorship that can do whatever it pleases with its money, personnel, operations and policy. Every penny of the armed force’s bloated budget comes from taxpayers.
    .
    The AFN, which has supported the Limbaugh show for two decades, is funded to the tune of an estimated $27 million annually. Every penny of which comes from the pockets of taxpayers. Since the military is not a democracy, and decisions are made top-down, there was never any chance for taxpayers to have a say about their money subsidizing the naked bias of one radio jockey at the public’s expense.

    https://www.baystatebanner.com/2012/03/14/militarys-subsidy-of-limbaugh-insults-taxpayers/

    Yeah, I know. Fat Rush is dead. But his mini-me clones have replaced him.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      And Fat Rush was a notorious draft dodger with that boil on his ass or something. What an insult to the military,

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "But his mini-me clones have replaced him."

        Oh?

        Where?

      2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        Kindly regale us with Biden's military service besides trying to get Hunter Biden commissioned in the navy.

      3. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      4. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        Uh huh. Now do all those democrats, like the kne current,y sending us headlong into WW3.

    2. The Team Struggling   2 years ago

      A whataboutism argument based on an article from 11 years ago. Stunning rhetoric. Now do you have any thoughts of your own about publicly funded media?

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Radio Free Europe seems like a worthwhile endeavor.

        1. The Team Struggling   2 years ago

          How so, in contrast to NPR, PBS or even AFN?

        2. Nobartium   2 years ago

          Hooray for propaganda!

        3. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

          Europe is pretty much free to fund their own fuckling radio.

        4. Maple Calder   2 years ago

          Yeah, but you thought that posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography at Reason.com was a worthwhile endeavor, so your opinion carries little weight.

        5. Sevo   2 years ago

          Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. Super Scary   2 years ago (edited)

      Well, he’s dead now so there you go. So he's not taking any money anymore I guess, so let's focus on the ones that actually are.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        Rush will live forever in his head.

    4. NOYB2   2 years ago

      Conservative redneck radio gets a subsidy through its agreement with Armed Forces radio.

      That's not a subsidy, that's a purchase of a commercial product. You know, the same way the military purchases food, pens, cars, and computers from private companies.

    5. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

      It's a mystery why your arguments do nothing but persuade people to disagree with you.

    6. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      See? Both halves of The Kleptocracy still turn boodle, pelf and loot into loudspeaker lying and dim-witted dinning, just like when Bert Hoover was building huge prisons to house beer pushers.

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        You fail to note that "conservative redneck radio" hasn't actually gotten any public funds unlike NPR, for the reasons NOYB2 mentioned. Shrike is simply wrong in his assessment, so why on earth are you defending him?

    7. Maple Calder   2 years ago

      Here's a late-breaking news item: shreek got his original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography in the comment section of a Reason.com article.

  4. MWAocdoc   2 years ago (edited)

    There is a concept called “the appearance of impropriety” not to be confused with official corruption or actual criminal behavior. NPR and PBS and CPB have all become icons in the culture wars and, as such, have mystically become hills to die on for both the culture warriors on the left and the reactionaries on the right. Libertarians tend to object to government funding of pretty much everything not specified in the Constitution (e.g. public school systems) based upon fundamental principles, while reaction to biased public broadcasting narratively transforms into “an existential threat to Our Democracy (TM)” for one side and a propaganda target of opportunity for the other side. This guarantees that nothing productive will happen from either side and that principle will not prevail for the liberty-minded minority.

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      Libertarians tend to object to government funding of pretty much everything not specified in the Constitution (e.g. public school systems) based upon fundamental principles

      The Constitution has nothing to do with it. People object to being forced to pay for that kind of crap all over the world.

      This guarantees that nothing productive will happen from either side and that principle will not prevail for the liberty-minded minority.

      And what would you know about what the "liberty-minded minority" thinks?

  5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

    “Yesterday, NPR announced that it was leaving Twitter after CEO Elon Musk slapped a “state-affiliated media” label on its account—the same label used for outlets like the Chinese propaganda publication Xinhua, which has been described by watchdogs and scholars as the “eyes and tongue” of the Chinese Communist Party”

    NPR has been the eyes and tongue of the Democratic Party who control the Senate, Administration and Federal bureaucracy. There’s not a lick of difference between it and Xinhua.

    1. MWAocdoc   2 years ago (edited)

      I think there’s more than a “lick” of difference between them. In the US people have plenty of access to alternative sources of information and opinion, although there are growing questions about how much influence the “deep state” has had in tainting those other sources lately. I doubt that alternatives to Xinhua are nearly as easy for Chinese people to access, either officially or unofficially. Context does make a difference. I may want to listen to what NPR or PBS have to say on a topic for the purpose of comparing and contrasting them to what, for example, “Reason” and Fox News are presenting, trusting none of them particularly but hoping to achieve enlightenment in the interstices by reading between the lines and taking into account their respective biases.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "I think there’s more than a “lick” of difference between them. In the US people have plenty of access to alternative sources of information and opinion"

        What does other available sources have to do with NPR's relationship to the Democratic Party?

        I was comparing NPR's relationship to the respective dominant party and national political establishment with Xinhua's. Not musing on the American media landscape as a whole.

      2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        In the US people have plenty of access to alternative sources of information and opinion:

        Yes and they did in the 1960's as well when L "Butcher" Johnson decided to stick his nose in. Same with the NEA. There is no reason for the government to be funding these activities.
        Newt Minnow, famous FCC commissioner called Commercial TV a vast wasteland.
        He's still alive, someone should ask him how PBS turned out.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

          Newt Minnow? That fossil is still around?

          I’d like to know what he thinks of virtually everything ever broadcasted now available via streaming over fiber-optic cables, satellite, and Wi-Fi? All done without his “help.”

    2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Xinhua is indeed "state-affiliated media".

      NPR is not anywhere near the same level, so Musk is as usual, full of [poo emoji].

      But, I'm happy to defund NPR, on general principles, of course.

      1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        But, I’m happy to defund NPR, on general principles, of course.

        Of course, sarcasmic, you're all about principles. Tell us again how funny it was that an unarmed woman was shot in the face and killed by a racist black cop for unauthorized parading and then go on a seething ACAB rant about the drug war and police militarization 20 seconds later, that's always a fun one.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          I think your drool has messed with your keyboard.

  6. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    "CEO Elon Musk slapped a "state-affiliated media" label on its account"

    "taking actions that undermine our credibility by falsely implying that we are not editorially independent,"

    So the independent NPR calls a true statement a lie, just to prove Elon's point.
    The federal government should not be funding ANY entertainment.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      I like how "state affiliated" media is recognized to be something that would "undermine the credibility" of NPR.

      Yeah, you said it NPR.

    2. Brandybuck   2 years ago

      4% government funding does not equate to "state-affiliated media". Not even close. Musk is the liar here, not NPR.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Then to clear this kerfuffle up, NPR should swear off the 4% funding due to the appearance of corruption.

        Or is NPR going to do that thing literally every time this subject comes up: both refute and affirm their own argument at the same time.

        "It's only a paltry 4% of our funding, it doesn't matter at all, it's just a tiny drop in the bucket!"

        Ok, then let's eliminate the 4%

        "Without that funding NPR's voice will be diminished... SHUTTERED EVEN!"

        1. NOYB2   2 years ago

          Then to clear this kerfuffle up, NPR should swear off the 4% funding due to the appearance of corruption.

          A lot of their funding comes through government-funded or government-subsidized intermediaries. It's likely that the majority of their funding comes from government, directly or indirectly. Eliminating the 4% of direct government funding would not make them "privately funded".

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            Yeah, that's something I agree with you on, but I'm not prepared to go down that rabbit hole. Government gives grant to NGO non-profit whose mission it is to build Media Literacy and a more robust, diverse Media Environment that's not "corporate controlled". NGO then turns around and gives a few million to NPR so on and so on.

            I'm not an FBI accountant, so I'm not ready to start a new cork board on my wall with push pins and yarn.

            1. NOYB2   2 years ago

              I'm just saying that applying the "government funded" label is accurate. So is the "state sponsored" label, given that NPR is a creation of Congress, not just a non-profit that happens to receive public funds. They are both.

        2. Brandybuck   2 years ago

          They should eliminate that funding. But at the same time Musk needs to eliminate HIS government funding. Subsides for his electric cars need to stop! This is Team Color sports shit. If it's wrong for Team Bluish to get funding, then it's wrong for Team Reddish to get funding. Period. Otherwise Musk is "state-affiliated" in exactly the same way NPR is.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            Who here that you claim is team red supports EV subsidies dummy? Most of the GOP is also against them.

          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            "...Subsides for his electric cars need to stop! This is Team Color sports shit. If it’s wrong for Team Bluish to get funding, then it’s wrong for Team Reddish to get funding...

            Brandyshit needs help with that strawman.

          3. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            Who the fuck are you talking about. The only oeolle here that possibly support EV subsidies are commenters like Groomer Jeffy, Liarson, Shrike, Tony, etc..

            The rest of us are dead set against that shit.

          4. Djea3   2 years ago

            That is the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard. First without MUSK there would be no electric cars, not really. Without Musk California could not have said no more petrol cars at all. It took tax credits given to the BUYERS of Musks vehicles to make people spend the $$. Musk only made deals with government departments and other businesses just like all other businesses do. Build a 1 billion facility to employ 3000 workers and I guaranty that any city and state will abate your corporate taxes and even waive building permit fees.

            Do not blame the way the government works on Musk. He is only taking what every corporation gets and nothing more and there is no special favor involved and it is not political at all.

      2. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

        NPR was established by the government and it receives government funding and support. That makes it both "state affiliated" and "government funded". Pretty much by definition "public radio" is "state affiliated".

        The 4% figure just refers to direct funding from the federal government. In reality, much, probably most, of NPR funding comes from government, via station fees, grants, grants to foundations, universities, tax breaks, etc.

        The fact that NPR gives a 4% figure itself tells you that they are liars.

      3. JesseAz   2 years ago

        That 4% is millions of dollars shit for brains.

      4. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        Being affiliated with the state equates to "state-affiliated media" regardless of the amount, and you are the third biggest lying sack of cunt mucus at this website, licking the heels of sarcasmic and Episarich/Bo Cara Esq. (currently dba Mike "White Mike" Laursen)

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Hi, Tulpa!

    3. NOYB2   2 years ago

      “CEO Elon Musk slapped a “state-affiliated media” label on its account”

      No, he did not. "State affiliated" might be debatable, since NPR is legally nominally independent.

      The label he slapped on them is "government-funded media". That label is accurate.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Yes he did. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/04/12/npr-quits-twitter-government-funded-labels/11649330002/

        "In a Wednesday tweet, Twitter owner Elon Musk shared an image with some of Twitter's guidelines for defining state-affiliated media: "State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution."

        "Seems accurate," Musk wrote, in a reply to the news about Twitter's designation for the NPR account."

        Only later did he change it to “government-funded media”.

        But you didn't notice, lol.

        1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

          Everyone noticed, sarcasmic, it was a breathless headline in every major wire service. NOYB2 was pointing out the difference since you and Brandycunt are still stuck on last week's ActBlue PDF.

        2. NOYB2   2 years ago

          Yes, I did notice. And by the time I noticed it, it was "government funded".

          In fact, NPR is unequivocally both. NPR was created by an act of Congress, which determines the purpose, content, and funding for CBP and NPR.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            You just said above, "No, he did not".

            Face it: you got played by Elon.

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Hasn’t Tesla received a bit of government funding?

      1. Super Scary   2 years ago

        Yep and that is irrelevant to this discussion.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          And also another dem funded subsidy. Not sure what Mikes boaf sides attempt was.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            It’s all he knows.

      2. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        Sure has. SpaceX even more so. You can feel free to cancel that too. Since Tesla and SpaceX are not media organizations there's no comparison to the topic actually under discussion. You and sarcasmic study up a bit on how tu quoque works the next time you decide to coordinate talking points.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

          You are casting pearls before swine.

      3. NOYB2   2 years ago

        Yes, and Tesla has no problem acknowledging that.

        It's NPR that is throwing a hissy fit because people dare pointing out that they are a creation of Congress and receive public funding.

  7. Overt   2 years ago

    "But Tea Partiers of yore, Trumpy types today, and Musk fanboys miss that it's not that NPR is totally wrong on everything, or the enemy of the people, or a Pravda-style propaganda arm of the U.S. government."

    You have got to love this collectivist twaddle.

    *Do* Tea Partiers really believe that NPR is totally wrong on everything? Do the Musk Fan Boys actually believe they are a propaganda arm of the US government?

    Where is the proof, oh Reasoned reporter? The link to "Tea Partiers" says that their complaint was that they don't believe the federal government has a role supporting a manifestly Left Wing radio network.

    If you are going to make the case against NPR, just make the case against NPR. Ms Wolfe spends more time criticizing the imaginary arguments of "Trumpy" people who want the same result than actually, you know, criticizing the arguments of people who want to preserve NPR.

    News to Reason: we live in a country where you need to convince at least 50% of people to agree with you to get legislative reforms enacted. Picking needless fights with the people who already agree with you is a pretty big waste of rhetorical resources.

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      you need to convince at least 50% of people to agree with you

      Well, 50% of the legislators elected by 50% of the 50% or so of people who bother to vote.

    2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      There's always at least one republican, whose wife has been put on the board of a local public station, who will vote no to defunding public radio/tv. and if the votes still too close they'll find another one.

    3. Djea3   2 years ago

      actually you know nothing of how much it takes to get things to change and happen in this country. The votes between left and right (dem and Repub) are only a few percent apart except in the leftist strong holds of the major coastal cities. Less than 3% can usually swing anything a different outcome.

      So the goal since the 60's was to grab an open 3% and hopefully take a small percent from the opposition camp in doing it. That is and was usually enough for a win. People do not realize it but it only took 3% of Germany to create the third Reich, it only tool 3% of the population to create communist china, Communist Russia etc.

      DO not talk about 50% as that is insane, hell not even 33% vote at all! Plus this is a Republic, not a democracy (thank God!). in a democracy people will vote to step money from others to give themselves things. Free Ice Cream every Friday for everyone...we will let the Bobs pay for it all.

      1. Overt   2 years ago

        "People do not realize it but it only took 3% of Germany to create the third Reich, it only tool 3% of the population to create communist china, Communist Russia etc."

        Right...3% plus the additional 40-50% that were already supporting your cause.

        "DO not talk about 50% as that is insane, hell not even 33% vote at all! "

        Yawn, what a bunch of nitpicking. Whether you think the number is 30% or 51%, the point is the same: You need a coalition of people to get stuff passed in this country. And shitting on the people who already agree with you is a stupid way to achieve that coalition.

  8. Brandybuck   2 years ago

    I have been saying defund from for years (decades really).

    But at the same time, Musk is wrong that they are "state-affiliated". At only 4% government funding, they may be less affiliated with government than Musk himself, who gets a shitload of subsidies from the Feds because of his electric cars and projects.

    And NPR has always been fair and balanced, in a way that FOX News never was. They may be liberal (meaning old school liberal) but they covered all the stories from all the sides, fairly, with an actual air towards objectivity. Along with the old Drudge Report (not the new one) they were once ranked the least biased news outlet. In an era when all radio news is about loud opinionating, NPR is a breath of sanity. I'm not a huge fan as they are not my kind of format, but in terms of news reporting they still rank above everyone else if I want to find out what is actually going on rather than just having my narratives validated.

    Musk is being a jerk. I could care less about twitter, so if he wants to run it into the ground and his billions with it, it's his property. But it's not winning him any points in the free speech side of things. He's just being an authoritarian dick.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Lol you're doing great.

      And NPR has always been fair and balanced, in a way that FOX News never was

      Imagine saying this with a straight face.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Did he say they were "state affiliated" or "state funded"?

      1. Brandybuck   2 years ago

        He marked them as "state-affiliated media". That's the issue at hand. Do try to keep up.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          But he later changed the label to "government-funded", aka, quietly covering his tracks...

          1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

            If by "quietly" you mean announcing it on fucking Twitter and having dozens of articles written about it by every major wire service for several days. It's too bad you weren't this critical about Twitter's internal policies when they spent a decade coordinating with the Democratic Party and federal government agencies to censor and monitor American citizens.

            1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

              I doubt Musk ever actually announced on Twitter that he was changing NPR's designation from "state-affiliated" to "government-funded", but if he did I will retract my potentially outrageous allegation that he did so "quietly".

              "In his exchanges with NPR reporter Allyn, Musk said he was relying on a Wikipedia page dedicated to "publicly funded broadcasters" to determine which accounts should receive the label."

              Well, that's comforting...

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          I am keeping up, it's you who are not keeping up:

          Twitter labeled NPR’s main account last week as “state-affiliated media, ” a term also used to identify media outlets controlled or heavily influenced by authoritarian governments, such as Russia and China. Twitter later changed the label to “government-funded media,” but to NPR — which relies on the government for a tiny fraction of its funding — it’s still misleading.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            Ah, "keeping up" after-the-fact... Better late than never!

    3. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

      He didn’t ban or restrict them in any way. As for fair and balanced, that is a joke. Or did I miss all the interviews with the Barrington folks during Covid panic?

      1. Nobartium   2 years ago

        Nope, in fact Elon continues to demolish the real reason why people like NPR used Twitter: Prestige.

    4. Zeb   2 years ago

      I think they used to try to do what you are saying. But lately that doesn't seem to be the case. Especially since Trump. And double especially since covid.

      Also, I don't buy that anyone covers all the stories from all sides' perspectives. Most media, certainly including NPR will usually give you 2 sides. That's a good way to look like you are being balanced while injecting some strong bias.

    5. Sevo   2 years ago

      "...And NPR has always been fair and balanced..."

      Brandyshit is obviously a TDS-addled shit-pile, which hints he's many cards shy of a full deck, but, WHAO!
      This is a whole new level of "I'm a fucking ignoramus!"

  9. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    What started as, essentially, a Great Society initiative designed to provide a diversity of programming options for the poor and downtrodden

    LOL if you think that was the real reason for creating NPR I think you're just not gonna make it.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      They had good intentions!

      1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

        No, no they did not.

    2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      You'd be amazed how diversified commercial broadcasting was prior to government funded PBS/NPR. There were only 3 commercial Networks, a maybe a local independent and a local educational channel. Everything from opera, to symphonies, to Ed Sullivan to Mr Ed. Bell telephone and Hallmark sponsored cultural shows many times a year.

  10. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

    "What started as, essentially a[n] initiative designed to provide a diversity of programming options ... has outlasted its usefulness..."

    I have been saying this for thirty years.

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  11. Dillinger   2 years ago

    the Sesame Street lessons were invaluable

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      The Street has changed. The count is loan sharking, perpetually homeless Oscar knifed Snuffy, Ernie fondled Elmo, and nobody is being prosecuted.

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

        Is Bert now Bertadette? RoBerta?

      2. Dillinger   2 years ago

        the colorblindness it taught me will get me killed in some cities now lol

  12. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

    When was the last time NPR demonstrated its editorial independence from PBS Newshour, The Nation, The Guardian, Jacobin, or the Times?

    It's been an echo chamber for so long that it needs an ear trumpet to hear the booing outside.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      I thought we were talking about independence from the US government?

      1. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

        Public subsidy of NPR serves to project the partisan views of magazines with fewer subscribers than into the popular imagination on a scale rivaling the BBC and the dystopian neighborhood loudspeakers of the PRC. It is the audio avatar of PBS's visual Wokemanship.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Oh, you're going for a SQRLYsey/Hank/TJ2000 vibe...

  13. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

    NPR was created by the federal government for what the party in control of the government at that time thought was in the best interests of society. For much of it early history was primarily funded by the government and still to some amount is. It has a reputation of being generally supportive of the ideology of the party that created it. The description of "state affiliated" is offensive to them, why?

    It is amusing how much progressive institutions squeal when the shoe is on the other foot.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Because of how Tweeter defines "state-affiliated" media:

      "State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution. Accounts belonging to state-affiliated media entities, their editors-in-chief, and/or their senior staff may be labeled.

      State-financed media organizations with editorial independence, like the BBC in the UK or NPR in the US for example, are not defined as state-affiliated media for the purposes of this policy."

      Oops, that was Twitter's policy until last week. Now it's:

      "State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution. Accounts belonging to state-affiliated media entities, their editors-in-chief, and/or their prominent staff may be labeled. We will also add labels to Tweets that share links to state-affiliated media websites."

      But, he later changed it to "government-funded", so there's nothing to see here...

      1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        But, he later changed it to “government-funded”, so there’s nothing to see here…

        Correct, sarcasmic. MUH PRIVUT CUMPUNIES! remember?

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Whose sock are you supposed to be?

  14. Dillinger   2 years ago

    cease programming every five minutes and beg for money the next 25 ... promise tote bags ... maybe the Chubb Group will help out

  15. NOYB2   2 years ago

    But Tea Partiers of yore, Trumpy types today, and Musk fanboys miss that it's not that NPR is totally wrong on everything, or the enemy of the people, or a Pravda-style propaganda arm of the U.S. government.

    I couldn't care less what they are "right" or "wrong" on, I don't want my tax dollars to pay for them, period.

    That should not be a difficult concept to grasp for someone who pretends to be a libertarian.

    1. Brandybuck   2 years ago

      Musk is not pretending to be a libertarian. Or if he is, his dictionary entry for "libertarian" is wrong.

      1. Super Scary   2 years ago

        I think NOYB2 is referring to the writer of the article.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        "Musk is not pretending to be a libertarian. Or if he is, his dictionary entry for “libertarian” is wrong."

        This is the fucking ignoramus who claims PBS is "fair and balanced"; anyone that unhinged can be safely ignored.
        Fuck off and die, asshole

      3. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        That wasn't who was being referred to in NOYB2's post, but then you're an illiterate fucking piece of shit who thinks NPR is unbiased, and a demonstrated history of reading not being your strong suit.

      4. mad.casual   2 years ago

        IDK, I'm no unbridled fan of Musk (criticism several posts above), but taking a bunch of government money and using it to dismantle or at least disrupt the Government Media Censorship Complex is pretty fucking big-brain/hardcore/guerilla-style libertarian.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          (criticism several posts above below)

      5. NOYB2   2 years ago

        Musk is not pretending to be a libertarian.

        No, but Reason writers are.

  16. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

    For those of you who were like me, longtime listeners of NPR who finally got so sick and tired of the naked bias that you turned it off and never went back, I strongly recommend Peter Boghossian’s series “all things reconsidered” on the Youtubes. It’s an excellent series of videos that analyzes how NPR didn’t just go down the tubes, but went through the Dispose-All before doing so.

    Here’s an episode (about 5 months old) about NPRs coverage of Elon Musk.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      I find it interesting that you continually complain about "media bias" from mainstream sources like NPR, and then all of your own media recommendations come from Youtube channels or podcasts that are even more biased than the sources that you complain about.

      And it's not just you that does this, it's a lot of people.

      It suggests to me that the complaints about "media bias" are more complaints about "they aren't reflecting MY views strongly enough".

      1. Brandybuck   2 years ago

        Precisely. It's like "bias" has been redefined to mean "not-my-bias". So NPR is biased because it's "not-my-bias", but a clearly biased Youtube channel is not biased because it is indeed "my-bias". It's nuts.

        People do not want objective journalism anymore, they want validation of their own bias. If it's not actively affirming listener's biases then it is obviously biased. What a fucked definition of bias that is.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          Precisely. It’s like “bias” has been redefined to mean “not-my-bias”. So NPR is biased because it’s “not-my-bias”, but a clearly biased Youtube channel is not biased because it is indeed “my-bias”. It’s nuts.

          Let's pretend, for just a moment, that I created a news network with the tagline, "We report, you decide" and then I filled it with GOP talking points, what would you call that?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            I'd call it "Fox News".

            But who is seriously claiming that NPR is "not biased"? I doubt even NPR would claim that.

            1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

              But who is seriously claiming that NPR is “not biased”?

              That would be the faggot whose cock you're riding in this very conversation, cytotoxic:

              And NPR has always been fair and balanced

        2. mad.casual   2 years ago

          It’s like “bias” has been redefined to mean “not-my-bias”.

          Uh... bias has always meant "not-my-bias". If I flip a coin that comes up heads 80% of the time it's a biased coin whether it coming up heads more often works in my favor or not.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        *head in hands*

        I don't listen to NPR for the same reason I don't watch "contra points".

        Do you get it now?

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Yes.

          Which media sources are not biased, per your definition?

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

            While Zeb correctly touches on the point below really well, I’ll help spell it out for you.

            Back in like the late 90s, early 2000s during the more ‘federated’ internet time, I remember reading an extensive blog post from someone who had spent a couple of decades in the news business and had eventually left in disgust. The topic of his post was bias in the media. And he made a careful point to say that it wasn’t really the bias that was the problem… it was the hypocrisy that was the problem.

            He pointed out the statistical fact that 9 out of 10 newsrooms in America were run by left-liberal card-carrying Democrats. Then along came Fox news which had some conservatives in the editorial room, and “suddenly we have a problem”.

          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            That didn’t answer ObviouslyNotSpam’s question.

            1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

              Then answer it yourself.

            2. Maple Calder   2 years ago

              You can call him sarcasmic, no need to play along with his socking anymore than there's a reason to play along with trannies who want their cock waxed at a women's day spa, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.

              Perhaps the red herring nature of the question is why Paul didn't answer it explicitly, or perhaps he thinks there's no such thing as an unbiased news source, unlike you and your buttbuddies sarcasmic and Brandyfuck who believe NPR is fair and balanced.

              1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                While his non-response may indeed be his answer, I would certainly like to know (a) if there are any such unbiased news sources, and (b) if so, which ones they (in his opinion, obviously) are. Paul is one of the more "normal" posters here. (Sorry for that kiss of death!)

                Unlike you, I do not wish to have my hand held by information providers I already agree with. As we have seen with Fox, they soon abandon their objectivity and revert to directly serving their base's biases. The only way I know of to reliably sift through the bias is to read several sources with different obvious biases--which is inefficient and time consuming.

                And, of course, it was also a rhetorical question, because I suspect any sources he does consider "unbiased" I probably would not.

                I often run new information sources through "Media Bias/Fact Check", just to see who's behind them and what they have said (false) before. It's not a perfect system, but it saves me time.

      3. Zeb   2 years ago

        The problem isn't in some sources being biased or having a particular POV. Of course everyone is biased. The problem is pretending that these giant media organizations which dominate national media are not biased and presenting a particular POV.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Are you characterizing NPR as a "giant media organization"?

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            Are you filling in for White Mike today?

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              ObviouslyNotSpam, the conservative and conservative-leaning Libertarian commenters here do not like their bubbly bitching sessions to be interrupted with questions.

              1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

                sarcasmic has been here as long as you have, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq., you don't need to explain things to him. He's been operating this particular sock for several months.

              2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Reminder. Don't call Mike a lefty shit. But he can do the opposite

          2. Zeb   2 years ago

            They have very broad reach and are widely considered a major, serious national news source.

            1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

              In my rough estimation, NPR is about as biased to the left as Reason is to the right. They are both far from the extremes. And they are both about as factual as one another, so if they say something factual, odds are it wasn't due to a planted story from a state actor or other power source. Media which score worse on these points just wastes my time.

              However, I would not consider either NPR or Reason to be "giant media organizations" which "dominate national media".

          3. Maple Calder   2 years ago

            They have as many local affiliates as ABC, CBS and NBC, and you just got done citing them as paragons of unbiased news reporting, sarcasmic. Is there any particular of that characterization you would disagree with? If so why?

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          I don't think anyone is claiming that NPR is "not biased". I certainly am not. But my point is that NPR's bias is slight compared to the biases on display in Diane's recommended media sources. Who do you think is more biased - NPR or Glenn Greenwald? It may be that Greenwald is right on many things, but that doesn't make him "unbiased".

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            NPR by a country fucking mile.

            There are lots of things I disagree with Greenwald on. Economic issues etc. But when Glenn Greenwald reports something, I know he's crossed his Ts and dotted his Is. This is why most of the people I follow closely are left-leaning people.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Are you kidding me?
              Give me any Greenwald video and I will show you examples of where he lies by omission, uses mockery to dismiss otherwise valid arguments, argues from the basis of "shadowy conspiracies", and otherwise caters to his audience by presenting to them the point of view that they expect.

              If it is any story at all involving the CIA or NSA, will he even attempt to offer the good-faith justification or rationale for what the CIA/NSA are doing? Fat chance.

              He is anti-surveillance and anti-spying. Good for him. I am glad he is anti-surveillance and anti-spying. That doesn't make his reporting on those matters "fair and balanced".

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Then choose a video and do so dumbfuck. You asked for a video yet claim any would suffice. So go do it. Back up your assertion.

              2. Maple Calder   2 years ago

                If it is any story at all involving the CIA or NSA, will he even attempt to offer the good-faith justification or rationale for what the CIA/NSA are doing? Fat chance.

                It's not the fucking job of a reporter to fabricate justifications and rationales for the CIA and NSA you fascist lardass bootlicking piece of shit. Jesus fuck.

              3. damikesc   2 years ago

                Examples?

          2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            Again, to be clear, it's not just the bias that's the problem, it's this that's the problem... from the much-missed Christopher Hitchens:

            So I know, thanks, before you tell me, that a documentary must have a “POV” or point of view and that it must also impose a narrative line. But if you leave out absolutely everything that might give your “narrative” a problem and throw in any old rubbish that might support it, and you don’t even care that one bit of that rubbish flatly contradicts the next bit, and you give no chance to those who might differ, then you have betrayed your craft. If you flatter and fawn upon your potential audience, I might add, you are patronizing them and insulting them. By the same token, if I write an article and I quote somebody and for space reasons put in an ellipsis like this (…), I swear on my children that I am not leaving out anything that, if quoted in full, would alter the original meaning or its significance. Those who violate this pact with readers or viewers are to be despised.

          3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            Think of it like this:

            There are 50 governors in America, and a current Sitting President.

            If you spend all of your energy writing about one and only one of those governors, and spend a huge amount of time on the former president... again, even if everything you write is true-- technically true or mostly true- or even when writing about the other 49 governors and/or the Current President-- yet always find a way somewhere in the article to say, "And this rather reminds me of Crazy Donald Trump!), while simply not spending that much time on the other 49... that tells me something about where all of your eyeball time is going.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Never mind that those 49 other governors are not going to run for President in 2024.

              1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

                Asa Hutchinson has announced his candidacy. Ron DeSantis has not. If you're going to try to deflect, try deflecting away from your own goal you fucking retard.

                1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

                  He’s in the same boat as Newsome

          4. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Citation on level of bias Heffer? Or is it that they agree with your left wing bias more so seem centrist?

            See their coverage, or intentional lack of it as unimportant, of hunters laptop (real) vs trump russia (fake)

          5. Maple Calder   2 years ago

            I don’t think anyone is claiming that NPR is “not biased”.

            Perhaps your blubbery fat man tits are flapping up and obscuring your vision, you obese piece of shit. Let me help you out. Again.

            And NPR has always been fair and balanced

          6. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

            Greenwald is more interested in Ttuth than Agenda, NPR is more interested in Agenda than Truth.
            Got any more brain busters?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Lol another Glenn fanboi

              They *both* push narratives. Greenwald pushes an anti establishment, anti surveillance, anti CIA/NSA narrative. Now there is a lot of merit to his narrative but it is still a narrative. I would not trust him to present fairly all sides of any issue involving the above. Why he talks with absolute contempt about mainstream media outlets. Whether or not the contempt is deserved, it is nonetheless not "fair and balanced".

              1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

                "Hurrrrrrr reporting on the narrative pushing is also narrative pushing! Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

                Maybe you should just stick to peddling pedophilia you stupid, fat piece of shit.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      I keep telling this story and will tell it here because it’s exceedingly cogent. I was a disagreeable but faithful listener of NPR for a little more than a decade until Trump pulled out of The Paris Accord in 2016.

      They had a Harvard Economist (I believe it was Keyu Jin but I could be mistaken) on talking about how China had a more comprehensive and coherent plan to tackle global warming. The host asked about China’s growing emissions relative to China’s shrinking emissions. The Economist explained that yes US’s emissions have shrunk and China’s emissions are both larger, have grown, and have grown faster since Kyoto and Paris, but because of Trump’s erratic approach, success wasn’t guaranteed and that the US needed to adopt a more centralized model with more stable leadership in order to address the problem. I was reeling. Not ‘China needs to industrialize and can’t meet the reductions the US has.’ or even ‘There are many solutions and globally everyone needs to step up.’ just straight up, ‘The US needs to adopt Chinese-style communism.’ and, after admitting that the US emissions were lower and had dropped, not even to save the planet, but switch to a model that was more actively harming the planet.

      The interviewer didn’t stop to say “Wait a minute…” or “Are you saying…” but plodded along with the “We do have to adopt a better plan here…” narrative before moving on. Finally, closing out the interview, they handed out the typical credits where credit is/was due and it was done in partnership with RFE/RL. I was flabbergasted. Whether you like that it was founded by the CIA or not, RFE/RL was created to combat censorship by the Soviets in Eastern Europe. I thought/wondered if a broadcast network set up to combat communist propaganda in Europe was also broadcasting the unequivocally communist propaganda I had just listened to. It was mind blowing.

      As had been the case for years, there were always stories that made me dubious about continuing to listen to NPR. Innskeep did an interview with David Duke in which Innskeep *tried* more times than Duke to implicate “The Jews” or bait Duke into doing so, which Duke refused repeatedly, to the effect of Innskeep more willingly blaming “The Jews” than David Duke. But anti-AGW, pro-Chinese pollution, Chicoms, CIA funding, broadcasting Chicom propaganda into Eastern Europe… I was done.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Cool story, bro. I'd be pissed off, too, after devoting my precious time to listening to that.

        I don't have time to listen or view media. Write it down or it may as well not exist...

  17. JFree   2 years ago

    So the poster child of cronyist billionaires sucking at the public teat.....is getting a free pass from most of the commenters here.

    1. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

      If this was an article on government subsidies, you’d see plenty of criticism. This is about labeling a state propaganda shill as such on a private platform, so there is no criticism offered.

      It is possible to hold 2 thoughts in your brain. Well, maybe not your brain, but most brains.

      1) I object to green subsidies and am disappointed that they are so prevalent that Musk has made billions selling cars to rich people whose purchases are taxpayer subsidized.

      2) Musk is correct in labeling state controlled media as such.

      1. Brandybuck   2 years ago

        3) Musk is "state-affiliated"

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          You keep saying "state-affiliated" when I believe the label was "state-funded" or "government-funded".

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            That is correct. You can see it on Twitter right now: https://twitter.com/NPR

          2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            It is now; he first labeled it "state-affiliated", before quietly changing it to "government-funded"...

            Good news: people are talking about Musk again!

            1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

              He did not ‘quietly’ change it.

              Elon Musk says NPR’s ‘state-affiliated media’ label might not have been accurate

              Quietly changing is updating the definition of Vaccine or “gain of function” on your webstie without making a public statement on it the change.

              1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

                Elon Musk says NPR’s ‘state-affiliated media’ label might not have been accurate should have been in italics as it was a quote from an NPR article.

                1. Zeb   2 years ago

                  So, they objected to "state-affiliated", their objection had merit, and it was changed. Seems like a pretty reasonable way to do something.

              2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                You almost made a good argument that people shouldn’t be so free with throwing out accusations of “quietly changing” Internet content. Then you undermined that argument by freely throwing out a couple accusations that someone “quietly changed” a website, showing that all you really object to is when someone accuses your team of “quietly changing” something.

                1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                  Caw Caw!

                2. Maple Calder   2 years ago

                  Elon Musk made the change public and it was reported on for days by every major news wire. Jesus Christ you brain damaged fucking retard, let me write your shit for you if you're this bad at it.

                  1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                    As far as I can tell, it was never announced on Tweeter. He mentioned possibly doing something in interviews and emails, and eventually did change NPR's label, but he has never announced that he was changing NPR's label from "state-affiliated media" or why. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will point me to it. I'm not a subscriber.

                    Indeed, the language Twatter's own media labelling policy previously used to explain the meaning of "state-affiliated media" included NPR as _an example_ of media which was not "state-affiliated". That language disappeared, and has yet to reappear. Here's how it currently reads:

                    "How state-affiliated media accounts are defined

                    State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution. Accounts belonging to state-affiliated media entities, their editors-in-chief, and/or their prominent staff may be labeled. We will also add labels to Tweets that share links to state-affiliated media websites."

            2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

              They only time they're not "government affiliated" is when a republican is heading it. In this case they are both affiliated and funded.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          "...3) Musk is “state-affiliated”..."

          No, but brandyshit is a TDS-addled pile of shit.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

      Musk does not get a “free pass” here. If a cronyist billionaire says “the sun rises in the east” we don’t discount that statement because he’s a cronyist billionaire.

      To be clear I have zero problems saying that the American Auto Industry, in which Tesla is a full, card-carrying member is "state funded".

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

        If a cronyist billionaire says “the sun rises in the east” we don’t discount that statement because he’s a cronyist billionaire.

        And some of us even go on to point out that regardless of whether the sun rises in the East or not: -EVs, Tesla included, are a scam that are being economically forced on the world by elitist watermelon fanbois. -Musk is a modestly-high functioning engineer and über competent huckster who’s EV tractor-trailers make no sense, who’s cybertruck was laughably bad, whose battery swap demonstration was a slight-of-hand that Penn Gillette would be insulted to watch, and who has yet to deliver on the promise of a $30K EV. -Even if he is an über competent huckster, SpaceX is cheaper than NASA and like in many, many, many places in our government, a cheap, self-aggrandizing huckter who still believes in some semblance of liberty and economics is better than the “We will bury you.” status quo.

      2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Few large industries are not "state funded", if that's your talisman--rendering the label meaningless.

        It's like claiming that the petroleum industry is being "subsidized" by governments building and maintaining roads.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      The other leftists already tried this tactic chicken little. Show one poster here who supports ev subsidies.

      1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        3 retards all employing the same lame-ass false attempt at tu quoque. Tu quoque can be very powerful, if you're bright enough to compare two like things.

  18. middlefinger   2 years ago

    I listen to see what the best and brightest have in store for us. Trending is eminent domain for climate and top down, federal government planned public housing projects.

  19. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

    it was entirely paid for by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), which was created by the Public Broadcasting Act signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1967. Democrats at the time were enamored with the idea of improving the breadth and quality of educational programming.

    Gov ran media………. 100%.
    Enacted by a “Democrat” (i.e. [Na]tional So[zi]alist fan).

    Ya; I’m not joking. The left are literally the Nazi’s of today by every action they take and by everything they worship/politically idolize. People’s should realize that before the Gestapo police gets stronger and the Gas Chambers start running.

    Does anyone really think a majority of German citizens started out knowing what king of ‘party’ they were supporting when they praised Hitler? It wasn’t until Hitler was long gone that all the sh*t/truth hit the fan.

    Every USA-Patriot should be consistent about LIMITED Gov-Gun usage and should be against Gov-Gun Commie and Socialist political structures creeping in. They ARE UN-Constitutional and treasonous to the USA.

    For F'Sakes; GUNS don't make sh*t.
    Their only purpose is to ensure Individual Liberty and Justice.
    Government isn't anything but a monopoly of GUN force.
    Stop trying to use a sledge hammer to fix your radio. WRONG TOOL.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      What was it like when Trump ran it?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        You mean when The Resistance ran it? Or do you think Trump was in the editing booth?

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Yeah, elect him again, so he can again get pwned by "the Resistance". Brilliant plan.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        "What was it like when Trump ran it?"

        Are you paid to be stupid, or do you come by it naturally?
        Eat shit and die, asshole.

        1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

          Yes... They literally are "paid to be stupid."
          One of the perks of building a [WE] Gov-Gun Armed-Theft gang government.

  20. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Hollllly shit, we are living in some upside-down-through-the-looking-glass shit right now.

    Naomi Fucking Wolf just gave a talk at Hillsdale College.

    I haven't really followed Ms. Wolf these last few years-- she was more of a fixture in the early 2000s-- I did get a kick out of Camille Paglia's takedowns of her. I've listened to part of the talk, and the best I can guess, is the impetus for this event was Ms. Wolf got 'deplatformed' over her reporting on women's health after the mRNA vaccine.

    There's a thread of commonality here on left/right alliances that I won't go into, but the observant among you are probably already on to it.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      I can see why you like her. She's a conspiracy nut.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        I don't like her. She's an old school nth-wave grievance feminist criticized beautifully by my favorite feminist, Camille Paglia.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Is she a TERF?

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        The conspiracies that were always true and you denied?

      3. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        Which conspiracy is that, lardass? That COVID leaked from a lab in Wuhan? That the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission of the virus? That not a single American boot is on the ground in Ukraine? Go ahead and get those greasy sausage fingers furiously citing, fat boy.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Why do you keep changing your name?

  21. Brandybuck   2 years ago

    Well Hillsdale has gone downhill since the days of Phillips and Roche. My guess is that they invited Wolf because of her anti-vaxx conspiracy mongering.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

      By anti-vaxx conspiracy mongering, you mean claiming that the vaxx does not keep you from contracting covid, nor does it stop the spread? Or the claim that the vaccine was confirmed to change the menstrual cycles of women, which was vigorously denied, then when it came out that it absolutely did, that message was changed to “Ok, it’s happening, but it’s not as bad as you say”, that kind of conspiracy mongering?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        But here's the thing. You are right that the government's and Pfizer's claims about the vaccine efficacy was not as strong as they initially claimed it was. That doesn't mean every crank and conspiracy nut is correct in their crankery.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          Ok, Scott Adams.

        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Are you seriously going to tell me the vaccine doesn't contain microchips? Get out you leftist!

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            Is that strawman left over from your horse ranch or are they going hungry just to keep your arguments going?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Not a strawman, from your new hero Dr. Naomi Wolf:

              https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57374241

              Dr Wolf, well known for her acclaimed third-wave feminist book The Beauty Myth, posted a wide-range of unfounded theories about vaccines.

              One tweet claimed that vaccines were a "software platform that can receive uploads".

              1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

                A 2 year old article in state-funded media is a lot better than most of your cites, I have to admit. It still doesn't make your buttbuddy's strawman any less of a strawman. On the other hand, you managed to create a strawman of your very own in calling Naomi Wolf Paul's "new hero" when all he did was point out the strangeness of her being a speaking at Hillsdale.

                1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                  Here's a copy of her tweet: https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1365942042195603459

                  Seems a perfectly normal thing to say...

            2. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

              It’s a joke. Take a sedative. Though people really do believe that. And that's what makes it funny.

              1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

                It’s a joke. Take a sedative.

                Coming from the histrionic cunt who goes into apoplectic alcohol-fueled rages 25 times a day in these comment sections about being persecuted by Mean Girls and his "cunt" ex-wife. Death, taxes, and sarcasmic inebriated sputterings: some things never change.

                Some people believed that paper masks whose orifices are 5 orders of magnitude larger than the COVID virus were an effective means of stopping the spread of the COVID virus and that anyone who refused to wear one was an "asshole" personally responsible for the deaths of old people. And by "some people" I mean your drunken pathetic bootlicking Nazi ass.

        3. JesseAz   2 years ago

          "Not as strong"

          Lol.

        4. Maple Calder   2 years ago

          That doesn’t mean every crank and conspiracy nut is correct in their crankery.

          It means that the person you just called a crank and a conspiracy nut who was right and you were wrong, isn't actually a crank or a conspiracy nut, cytotoxic.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        "By anti-vaxx conspiracy mongering, you mean claiming that the vaxx does not keep you from contracting covid, nor does it stop the spread?..."

        It's brandyshit, the TDS-addled shit-pile who regularly proves claiming to hold libertarian views is the last refuge of fucking lefty shits posting here.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Anybody else get tons of junk mail from Hillsdale? And it keeps following me from address to address.

      1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        You should mute them.

      2. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        Nope, can't say as I do. I don't opt-in to mailing lists of people I ostensibly hate, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. You should try it some time.

  22. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    At one point NPR kinds sorta made a little sense. The idea was that they'd get government funding, and in return they'd broadcast in rural places where commercial radio isn't profitable.
    Today we've got all kinds of media, satellite radio, data from cell towers, and whatever else I'm not thinking of off the top of my head.

    Things have changed.

    There's a great argument to be made that NPR has outgrown it's mandate and is no longer needed.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Or at least the government funding part.

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      I can remember times driving through BFE with a broken tape player and the only choices were gospel, country or NPR. I was glad for NPR.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        I remember the NPR station you could dial into on my grandparent’s Nebraska farm just playing classical music all the time. Pretty apolitical “bringing culture to the masses” stuff, and its content was a moot point because everybody listened to the local country station.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Except the lady at the bookstore.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            That sounds about right.

            The town did finally get a tiny coffee shop/bookstore in the 2010s.

            It did have one of those cool Carnegie library buildings, though. My aunt and uncle helped convert it into a community art museum. I assume, but I don’t know, that means the town has a library in some other building.

            1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

              Man, how did you find time to do all that traveling while you were obtaining your PhD in computer science after your successful career as a commercial property developer after you got done pretending to be a law student and eventual attorney, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.?

      2. Maple Calder   2 years ago

        I'm sure A Prairie Home Companion got you through a lot of rough nights drinking away the memories of all the cocks you sucked behind 7-11 for a 40 of OE while you were a self-confessed homeless drug addict.

  23. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

    Liz writes so vividly that she needn't even spell out that National Socialist Radio, the Public Brainwashing System and Altruist Things Considered are coercive bloodsucking vampires. Their squeaked and grammatically tortuous insinuation that they qualify as "independent" couldn't be funnier if it came from a tapeworm. The Peoples State of China can surely afford to fund them the way they fund their own Chan Ling Fance Broadcasting. Let the enemy fund it's own anti-energy and disarmament agitprop. Goebbels did.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      You, sir, should consider a career in AM talk radio.

    2. Rufus The Monocled   2 years ago

      Speaking of word crafting, I miss Agile Cyborg. I actually forgot his handle. For shame. I know it wasn't Argyle Cyborg.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Oh, yeah. He was great. There had to be some psychedelic drugs involved.

  24. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Reason Contributor, Brendan O'Neill

    Heather Mac Donald: When race trumps merit

  25. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

    This article mishmashes how much money goes to NPR/PBS directly and how much goes to the member stations that then filter it to NPR/PBS.

    1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

      The stupid innumerate cunt nicely papered over her inability to read financial documents with this parenthetical:

      (thus making it tough to suss out how much federal funding NPR actually gets)

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  27. RickAbrams   2 years ago

    This article shows that the number of non-issues which will inflame the Ignoranti is indeed endless.

    1. Maple Calder   2 years ago

      Libertarians for publicly-funded media!

      How's that bootleather taste, faggot?

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      This comment probes the ignorance of lefty shits. And finds no lower limit.
      Fuck off and die, asshole; make the world a better place.

  28. mad.casual   2 years ago

    NPR is no Xinhua

    WTHF?
    Ctrl+f "global media": 0 results.
    Ctrl+f "free europe": 0 results.
    Ctrl+f "radio liberty": 0 results.

    What a shit take. This may be the one article that kills Reason for me. The straw that breaks the camel's back. Similar is what killed NPR for me.

    John Lansing, NPR's CEO, worked as the first head of the US Agency for Global Media (USAGM) for four years prior to taking the position with NPR. He was appointed head of the USAGM by Barack Obama after the USAGM was created by Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton formed the USAGM specifically to combine and streamline the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the US Information Agency (USIA), the Foreign Services Division of which (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) was set up and operated by Allen Dulles *while he was Director of the CIA* and received subsidies from the CIA until 1971. To say nothing of the fact that the USIA was overtly established as the US's PR firm, quickly becoming larger than the next 20 US PR firms combined, and enjoyed dubious special privileges like being able to criminally prosecute people broadcasting or even screening USIA productions on US soil.

    Even without the funding going directly to NPR, the CPB's board is appointed by Congress and controls the funding. Donors to NPR are getting a tax break knowingly giving money this end. Further, at multiple times in the agglomeration of the CPB/USIA/USAGM, money or incentives were given to local independent broadcasters to carry the broadcasts and/or become affiliates.

    Saying NPR isn't state-affiliated media is like saying the BBC or CBC aren't state-affiliated media.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      You mean, like Twatter's own rules used to say?

      "How state-affiliated media accounts are defined

      State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution. Accounts belonging to state-affiliated media entities, their editors-in-chief, and/or their senior staff may be labeled.

      State-financed media organizations with editorial independence, like the BBC in the UK or NPR in the US for example, are not defined as state-affiliated media for the purposes of this policy."
      https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/state-affiliated-china

      This is actually still on Twitter, but only in the section about China--they removed it from the general government labels explanation. (Oops... I expect they will conform it with the general policy eventually.)

  29. boroka   2 years ago

    Radios in our home have been tuned to NPR stations since the 1970s. What's not to like: Great classical music and jazz, opera every Saturday, "Chapter-a-Day" readings, funny games, "Higher Ground" etc. News/editorials/comments --- not so much, but there is the "Off" button.

    I don't know a single person who quotes NPR verbiage, and I swim in a swamp of wokeness. This thing is harmless.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I used to listen to all the obvious NPR shows: “Car Talk”, “Prairie Home Companion”, “Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me”.

      Guess I stopped listening to any radio when podcasts came along. Ironically, I think podcasts were the only place I listened to Terry Gross. Her politics always messed up interviews on political topics but she was the best interviewer around for non-political topics. She was especially good at interviewing musicians.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      "...I don’t know a single person who quotes NPR verbiage, and I swim in a swamp of wokeness..."

      A fish doesn't know it swims in water either; stupidity explains much about fish and you.

  30. Poorgrandchildren   2 years ago

    John Wayne Gacy used a clown costume to hide his evil intent. PBS uses a "Big Bird" costume to hide its evil intent.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Stevie Wonder’s absolute baddest-ass performance of “Superstition” was the one he did on Sesame Street:

      https://youtu.be/_ul7X5js1vE

  31. Rufus The Monocled   2 years ago

    And Mush doesn't need subsidies either.

  32. tzx4   2 years ago

    Hey Elon! How about you give up all your government subsidies? Much of your fortune has been created by opportunities taking advantage of the US government and the US tax payer.

    And I hope and pray that Twitter crashes and burns. You are to Twitter Rupert Murdoch is the Fox News and you're both toxic.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      You're certainly right about the Tesla subsidies.
      Other than that, you are to news what the NYT is; fucking evil.
      Fuck off and die, asshole.

    2. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

      https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

      Twitter is doing just fine, mind you.

  33. Anti_collectivist   2 years ago (edited)
  34. Anti_collectivist   2 years ago

    Name one thing that came out of the Johnson administration that looks good today. Second only to FDR in unintended consequences.

  35. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   2 years ago

    There is no valid reason for any tax payer monies to be given to NPR or PBS by the government. We need to tighten the belt of government expenditures across the board, but funding NPR or PBS should be stopped.

  36. kevrob   2 years ago (edited)

    Federal funding aside, the FCC licencing units of government, such as state universities and state broadcasting agencies is the real insult to the first amendment. If Enormous State U (which ought to be privatized, anyway) wants their journalism students to get some on-air and production experience, a separate, private non-profit, where students from any school, governmental or private, could intern, should be set up. No appointments by the gov or state officials. Funds for that stick should be raised privately – no tax money.

    To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

    – Thomas Jefferson

  37. Ezra MacVie   2 years ago

    Defund PBS (the Public Broadcasting System), too.

  38. Anastasia Beaverhausen   2 years ago

    "Why can't NPR and PBS privatize and charge customers a small monthly fee to view their content, the way many other platforms do?"

    PBS already does - my PBS app on my Amazon Fire TV wants a subscription in order to view prior content.

    1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

      And how to you know that PBS doing that and not Amazon?

      In any case, NPR and PBS should still both be defunded.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Sure, I'm fine with that.

        Just as long as it's not really just being done to one side, which is the usual political approach.

  39. Tim V   2 years ago

    NPR is the reason the is no successful left wing talk radio.

  40. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

    Like Warren Buffet or Tom Steyer?

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