You Prefer 'High-Quality Public Education' Over School Choice? Define 'High-Quality.'
Families don’t all want the same sort of education for their children. They should be free to choose.

Arizona has one of the more liberating school-choice policies in the country, allowing funding for a student's education to follow that child to chosen learning options. The state also has a newly minted governor who is hostile to education freedom. Despite attending a private school, Katie Hobbs wants to roll back the state's scholarship program and offer all kids "high-quality public education" instead. With her allies, she pretends that's a goal easily defined and achieved with more money, instead of a hotly debated topic involving irreconcilable differences over priorities, education philosophies, and ideology.
After Hobbs opposed school choice in her inaugural address, Fox News Sunday host Shannon Bream asked, "Why shouldn't all students have a chance at what you said was so important in your own life?", especially in light of "the private Catholic high school that you went to."
"My parents made that choice," Hobbs answered. "I begged them to send me to public school. We sacrificed a lot. There were times when we were on food stamps. So, it was a choice that they made, and they struggled to make that choice. What I want is for every student in the state of Arizona, no matter where they live, to have access to high-quality public education."
What Is This "High Quality" of Which You Speak?
OK. So, beyond throwing her parents under the bus for picking a school other than the default one assigned by government, Hobbs clearly thinks that "high-quality public education" is a knowable and achievable standard. She's not alone in that assumption; the American Federation of School Administrators also holds "high-quality public education" in opposition to independently chosen alternatives, as does the American Association of University Women of California. Nina Rees of the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools argued there should be an enforceable right to a high-quality public education even while conceding that "endless struggle between the federal government and the states often leaves education policy mired in half measures and recriminations."
But if high-quality public education is a shared standard, what's the source of that endless struggle? Could it be that we don't all agree on what high-quality education looks like?
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We Don't Agree on What Kids Should Learn
"A recent Pew Research Center survey found widespread partisan divisions in the topics that parents of K-12 students across the country believe are appropriate for children to learn about in school," Pew reported last week. "A 56% majority of districts in Democratic-voting areas mention their diversity, equity and inclusion [DEI] efforts in their mission statements. That is true of just 26% of districts in Republican-voting areas, a difference of 30 percentage points."
The split can also be expressed as a rural vs. urban/suburban divide over the ideologically charged issue. Either way, there's sharp disagreement on incorporating DEI themes into curricula. That's unsurprising, given that DEI often stands in for other differences of opinion on sensitive educational matters.
"Americans are deeply divided over how much children in K-12 schools should be taught about racism and sexuality, according to a new poll," the AP reported a year ago. "The poll from the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy and The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows stark differences between Republicans and Democrats who want to see schools make adjustments."
Far beyond race, sexuality, and DEI issues, Americans have long disagreed on interpretations of history and current events. That's why publishers tailor lessons in school textbooks for different audiences around the country.
"The books have the same publisher. They credit the same authors. But they are customized for students in different states, and their contents sometimes diverge in ways that reflect the nation's deepest partisan divides," correspondent Dana Goldstein wrote in 2020 for The New York Times.
OK, so forget about divisive curricula. We can at least agree on measuring our success at teaching kids the basics, right? Well, no.
We Don't Agree on Testing
Recent years saw a revolt against standardized testing in schools across the country. Many parents and students opted out, no matter what the rules said. "The problem, as educrats are discovering, is that there's a hell of a lot less agreement than they thought about what kids are supposed to learn, how they're supposed to learn it, and how fast it should be learned," I wrote in 2015.
Much of the controversy was over the adoption of Common Core standards for English language arts and mathematics at various grade levels. While intended as a means of guaranteeing high-quality education, it turned out that not everybody was on-board.
We Don't Agree on When Kids Should Learn
"Since the beginning of this year, many legislators and critics have dubbed Common Core 'developmentally inappropriate,'" North Carolina Public Radio noted in 2014. "They argue that the new Math and English standards should be repealed because they are not suitable for some students."
The debate echoed an earlier one over national educational standards set by the No Child Left Behind Act. "With its emphasis — obsession, critics would say — on standardized testing, the law became unpopular among many teachers and parents and technically expired in 2007," NPR reported in 2015.
Lawmakers in conservative states are again pushing back against federal dominance of education, this time with a combination of resistance to burdensome regulations and objections to politicized curricula.
"Republican leaders in two states — Tennessee and Oklahoma — have taken steps to cut ties with the U.S. Department of Education, arguing that they'd rather lose billions in federal funding than comply with what they view as onerous mandates from Washington," according to education-focused The74.
So, when Hobbs and her allies argue that school choice, which lets families pick the educational philosophies, environments, and curricula that suit them, is a distraction from "high-quality public education," just whose definition of "high-quality" do they have in mind? Clearly, there's not just one.
You Pick Your "High Quality" and I'll Pick Mine
We've spent decades arguing over lesson content, educational standards, and assessment methods only to discover time and again that Americans simply don't agree on these issues. Why isn't it better to encourage people to explore their own definitions of high-quality education for their children instead of trying to force all kids into one-size-fits-some government institutions that are doomed to serve as battlegrounds for people who could, instead, peacefully go their own way?
Hobbs may publicly resent her parents for sacrificing to send her to private school instead of the public institution she says she'd have preferred. But she wants to put all children in the position of suffering schools inflicted on them by government officials. School choice frees families to choose from a range of options that meet their definition of "high quality." If more people can pick the education that suits them now, that means fewer people resenting Hobbs and company in the future.
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I DEFY you to cite a remotely credible source that they customize textbooks by state.
"high-quality public education"
I was curious about the origin and meaning of this phrase.
I found it as the first example under oxymoron.
But it does reinforce agreement with itself.
That's not quite all there is to "high-quality" education. This article does a good job of summarizing the controversies but ignores the whole point of not only differing theories of educational methods, but also the differences between and among students - age, IQ, learning styles, family and social network details and so on. The most important thing any school could do to help almost every student would be to individualize the curriculum all the time for every student instead of lining up 22.3 students per teacher in nice neat rows for 6.1 hours per day and then testing them once a year to see if they learned anything!
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The best way imo to personalize a curriculum is for govt to get out of making decisions about curriculum beyond just leasing out classroom spaces.
Govt is going to make facilities decisions and there's not much controversy there. 'School choice' should be 'classroom choice. Where teachers, curriculum developers, etc create content/schedule, parents/kids decide what they want, and schools lease out the space/facilities.
Textbooks are a perfect example of how TX and CA have screwed things up for everyone else because they insist on the state developing content.
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Public education can be high quality. The trick is to understand that public education requires that the public fund education for all children regardless of their ability to pay. What the Dept. of Ed. and the teachers' unions and the politicians they hire want to obscure is that this is ALL that phrase means. It does NOT require that the schools be owned by the government and be operated and staffed by government employees.
The worst possible thing would be for govt to fund anything re education and then to rent the land/facilities. Govt should never ever ever be a tenant.
Why should taxpayers pay for the education of children whose parents can afford to pay?
Those parents also pay more in taxes to support those who "can't afford" to pay.
For EXACTLY the same reason the TAXPAYERS should fund education for ANYONE.
But if kids aren't in public schools, how can you brainwash them?
This. "Hi-Kwalitee Publick Edyoukayshun" is a code phrase for "wrangle the kids to make sure they can't accidentally learn arithmetic or English or actual history any longer" because adults who can read and do math might notice how they're being fucked by the state.
hobbs is just spouting bought and paid for teacher union drivel
look at the former governor in virginia terry mcauliffe ... he campaigned with american federation of teachers randi weingarten despite sending 4 of his 5 kids to private school
newsflash ... politicians flat out lie to your face
Hobbs is a high functioning retard and that is giving her quite a bit of credit. She is honestly one of the dumbest politicians I've ever seen. She knew just enough on how to manipulate the elections, with the signature matching trial still going on. I have never heard one intelligent statement from her.
So a product of the system?
Stolen elections have consequences.
watching her during her campaign, provided she wasn't hiding in a basement or a bathroom, was cringeworthy. least charismatic politician i can remember in some time.
"Ummmm... ummmmmm...." - Katie Hobbs
My first thought was: Damn. Is the governor of Arizona really that full of shit?
Why isn't it better to encourage people to explore their own definitions of high-quality education for their children instead of trying to force all kids into one-size-fits-some government institutions that are doomed to serve as battlegrounds for people who could, instead, peacefully go their own way?
Because some people will choose incorrectly. Look at how many people were tricked by the Rooskies into voting for Donald Trump, those people obviously were dumber than dirt if they couldn't see how Felonia Von Pantsuit was a much superior choice. You're going to let those people choose not to let their kids learn the value of drag shows, anal fisting and how depraved the white race is?
"You Prefer 'High-Quality Public Education' Over School Choice? Define 'High-Quality.'"
Duh! High quality is where mediocre unionized teachers and bloated administration work to support Democratic politicians and consistently elect officials who immediate boost spending on public education while banning charter schools and vouchers.
Pretty much says it all.
She got hers. She no longer has anything to lose from supporting sending everyone else's kids to public school. In fact, she had a lot to lose from parents not sending their kids to public schools. Parents might choose options with different cultures than her own, and she won't be able to stop them.
That said, vouchers are terrible options, because what the state giveth the state can take away. Once the state funds something, there are strings attached.
She is taking her vengeance on her parents for trying to give her a quality education despite the hardships it put on them. She supposedly begged for a leveling government school education.
Name an important entitlement program that was taken away.
Indeed. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
"Since the beginning of this year, many legislators and critics have dubbed Common Core 'developmentally inappropriate,'" North Carolina Public Radio noted in 2014. "They argue that the new Math and English standards should be repealed because they are not suitable for some students."
Exactly. Only white privilege supports racist concepts like standards and tests, since these defy equity and oppress kids from black and brown families. And by oppress, they mean encourage critical thinking and discourage government dependency.
I was lucky enough to attend high-quality public schools as an Air Force brat. The Air Force refused to fund local schools for military dependents without actual standards back then. Every school I attended tried to individualize every student's curriculum and, in retrospect, I was put in self-paced advanced classes for reading (which I was good at), ordinary classes for history and geography (which I was "meh" about until I discovered genealogy for context) and bonehead math classes because my development was slow for most of my earlier grades. That turned out to be not only the best strategy for me, personally, but also for most of the other kids. And that one simple policy change could transform almost every public and private school in America overnight without spending a single penny more per student or adopting the "educational theory of the month" from the latest NEA conference or a Department of Education national standard to fight over.
High quality:
Dinosaurs and humans did not exist at the same time. Books are chosen by the reader not parents and librarians/teachers aren't threatened with prison. US history had many dark times and it's mandatory that everyone know about it, so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
We can start there.
Seems like a fishy post - - - - -
We are repeating the past; 1930's Italy and Germany.
Banning books and threatening teachers and librarians? Yes we are regressing.
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Only from a distance.
So rather than confront any of the substantive criticisms of the day, you're going to argue against a parody of your political opponents' concerns.
With such transparent efforts, why do you think anyone will take you seriously?
Books are chosen by the reader not parents
Wants 8-year olds reading Nietzsche.
Common Myth Number One-hundred Thirty-Three: History repeats itself.
Common Myth Number One-hundred Thirty-Four: Education can prevent humanity from repeating the mistakes of the past.
Kidding aside, progressive control of education, both K-12 and universities, will become even more critical to them as pursuit of gender alterations and catastrophe-grade clinical depression leads to left-wing sterility. The only way they can avoid extinction is by recruiting millions of new members every year.
Hobbs is a Leveler. She hopes the level is decently high, but her priority is for everyone to be on the same level.
Does anyone think that more than, say, 1 in 25 parents does any kind of deep dive into the educational standards and curriculum of their kids' public school? The real estate agent tells you "this house is in a great school district" (as determined by some 'independent' educational committee of the state) and then other parents tell you "75% go on to college and there's no gangs or bullies." Are parents really reading the text books to see what level of math junior is studying or what sis is hearing about the motives of the Founding Fathers? By and large, I think most parents are just fine if the kids seem to be learning what they themselves learned 20 years before.
"Choice" is for the elite and the well-informed and, unfortunately, meritocracy is not in good standing these days.
I think more parents pay attention when their 8 year olds start asking for gender reassignment surgery.
Even when the parents do pay attention it doesn't do them any good! I was a school board trustee in my district and my daughter's teacher told me it was none of my business what homework my daughter was being sent home with every day. That I did not need to help her with her homework. And that she was responsible for making sure my daughter did her homework properly and understood what was expected of her. At a parent-teacher "conference." I was consistently voted down when I objected at meetings to things like spending over a million dollars on a new football stadium while mothballing the olympic-sized swimming pool and defunding some actual educational programs.
Columbine HS, in JCPS (where I, and my 4 brothers, went K-12), CO, probably had similar demographics. Maybe even better, in terms of college attendance. When my daughter went to school, it was the HS just east of theirs, and hosted the southern IB program in the county. Neighbor, who went to Princeton commuted there to attend. It’s district is one of the more affluent in the county, that is the suburb county west of Denver. The HS is scholastically one of the best in the metro area as a result of its demographics and IB program.
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>>"I begged them to send me to public school.
because mean girls
Those that can, do and those that can't teach.
If there is any better example of failing public education it would be Baltimore. The rates of failure in both math and reading skills is not by accident either. Unfortunately this outcome is occurring everywhere else.
This is not by accident. It is by design.
Several ways to improve public education:
1) defund the Dept. of Ed.
2) outlaw all public servants unions; that mean teacher's unions.
3)Remove D.I.E. from public education. we didn't need it before and it isn't needed now.
4) Failing teachers need to be fired.
5) Discipline in the classrooms need to be enforced, even if it means removing an unruly student.
6) Parents do have a right to say what does and what does not belong in school.
7) Certain teachers have no business declaring whatever sexual preferences they practice or show up dressed in drag. Those that do so should be fired.
8) Parents need to become more involved with their children's education. They may need to form their own committees and even hire lawyers to combat the overly powerful teacher's union.
Nothing is going to change until parents apply unrelenting pressure on local school boards and to the point removing them.
Those that can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teaches gym.
So basically just need more money and more control and they will fix everything, right? Funny how i believe i have heard that before.
Chicago Public Schools comes to mind.
It's never enough. They always need more. I would be shocked. Shocked I tell you, if I ever heard them say, "That's it. We have enough. The problem is fixed. Thanks for your help."
That’s not quite all there is to “high-quality” education. This article does a good job of summarizing the controversies but ignores the whole point of not only differing theories of educational methods, but also the differences between and among students – age, IQ, learning styles, family and social network details and so on. The most important thing any school could do to help almost every student would be to individualize the curriculum all the time for every student instead of lining up 22.3 students per teacher in nice neat rows for 6.1 hours per day and then testing them once a year to see if they learned anything!
The problem with school choice is that it allows parents to send kids to schools which teach the wrong things. Some schools don't teach basic American principles, like the right to abortion and the right to choose your own gender. Some schools go against established historical facts, such as the idea that the Constitution was intended to be a guideline, not something which would restrict what the government could do. Some schools fail to show kids that hate speech is not free speech, and tell them that the First Amendment allows them to lie.
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If we allow school choice to continue, the next generation might start voting Republican. And that would be terrible for our democracy. Republicans are anti-Democratic.
The problem with school choice is that it continues to require property owners to fund the education of other peoples' children. Government should have nothing whatever to do with education. Once you accept the premise that government is responsible for providing for education, it's all downhill from there. I suppose vouchers allowing school choice is not quite as dismal as public education without school choice, but it's still horrible.
The school district I went to had good funding from local property taxes, but the shitty districts in my city receive MORE federal funding PER STUDENT than the better school districts spent. The students are still failing with MORE funding. A “lack of funding” is not the problem with bad schools.
There's a lot of bad students. Don't read the material, don't do the homework. If any homework is done, it's incomplete and late.
Students fail themselves more than school fails them.
The disconnect here is that people like Katie Hobbs equate "public education" with "publicly operated schools". Public education means that the public funds education for everyone regardless of their ability to pay. It does not mean that the schools themselves are operated by and staffed with government employees. They don't want to admit that.
Public education means to Hobbs education by the government funded monopoly cabal that funded her elections (along with George Soros and the Sinaloa Cartel).
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Perhaps Spongebob is a little too intellectual for ivy league schools.
We all know what her definition of "high quality public education" is. It's one where schoolteachers make large sums of money, contribute significant amounts of time and money to Democratic candidates, schools face little meaningful testing or accountability, and parents just shut up and let the state indoctrinate their kids as they wish.
You'll note that the people most vociferously opposed to parents' rights are the same people most vociferously opposed to real school choice.
They are free to choose. They can spend their own money to send their kids to private school.
Oh, you mean that they are "already paying for public school"? Well, welcome to the club: so are people without kids. That's no argument for school vouchers or school choice.
What Reason is doing here is tacitly approving forcible expropriation, and then just quibbling over how to divide the spoils. That's not very libertarian.
The main beneficiary of school facilities is every nearby homeowner since that is what really drives home prices at a local level.
The main beneficiary of curriculum is kids and their parents as guardian/intermediary.
Too bad we don't really care much to distinguish the two.
You know what would benefit homeowners even more? If they didn't have to pay 1-1.5% of their home's value in taxes every year. That would benefit everybody a lot more than using that money and transferring it to a broken public education system and public sector unions.
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"What Reason is doing here is tacitly approving forcible expropriation, and then just quibbling over how to divide the spoils."
Yeah, that's Reason.
We trust parents on food stamps to pick which grocery store to buy their sustenance. Government loans and grants (not to mention the GI Bill) allow college students to pick their own school -- public or private.
Do you oppose those programs?
If not, why do you think that government paying for K-12 education therefore means only government schools should be their provider?
R’s need to be a bit more honest about what they did to make the feds dominant in education re that whole ‘high quality’ objective.
Carter created the DoE but it was nothing but a glom of all the existing federal depts w a cabinet secretary at the top. It is Reagan who created a new ed function at the federal level.
What existed then was an interstate compact for education. Which was basically a benchmarking type function with no mandates and limited power. The main thing they were doing was figuring out how states could deal with students moving from one state to another and what grade was comparable/appropriate. Like everything re interstate compacts, the employees were seconded from the different states. Reagan wanted to privatize that testing function through ETS/College Board. The only way to force that to happen was to make the decision federal, within the executive branch, and hence to kill the interstate compact
School choice is also being sold as a federal notion
Someone wanted more power and more money and they got it. And they're all still begging for more power and more money. Go figure. One day that big government teat in the sky is going to shrivel up and run dry.
Parties change. The Dems of the 70's and 80's aren't the Dems of today, and ditto for the GOP. Imagine that.
It's simple. The people who think all kids should attend public school are either a) hypocrites who pay to have their kids attend elite schools; or b) can afford to live in a nice town with good public schools and assume that more money will fix any problem, not realizing that the government's "one size fits all" approach to education actually IS the problem.
"Americans are deeply divided over how much children in K-12 schools should be taught about racism and sexuality, according to a new poll,"
Americans are even more divided on whether racial discrimination and science denialism should be core principles of their educational institutions.
Yeah, take the 1619 project and climastrology for example. Some of the most racist and anti-science crap to come down the pike in a long time.
"High Quality Educaton?" Too many public school districts now oppose and/or restrict objective testing of students in reading, writing and arithmetic.
That tells us all we need to know about the quality of public school education, and their interest in teaching even the most basic academic skills to their students.
Parents should decide. Not monopoly school boards and their labor union masters.
An eight grader can read at the third grade level.
A High school senior can use a calculator for basic adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing. But please, don't ask one to count back change! The frightened look on their faces makes me think they might die!
I'd say that it's pretty hard to find anything actually high-quality, and I think that when it comes to school education, it's more or less the same, not talking about private schools. But after that, it's necessary to find proper college and get good education, and I think that postgraduate studies are highly important if you're willing to become a good specialist.