Elon Musk, Andrew Yang, and Steve Wozniak Propose an A.I. 'Pause.' It's a Bad Idea and Won't Work Anyway.
For good and ill, human beings advance through trial and error. The same will be the case with A.I.

"AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose profound risks to society and humanity," asserts an open letter signed by Twitter's Elon Musk, universal basic income advocate Andrew Yang, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, DeepMind researcher Victoria Krakovna, Machine Intelligence Research Institute co-founder Brian Atkins, and hundreds of other tech luminaries. The letter calls "on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4." If "all key actors" will not voluntarily go along with a "public and verifiable" pause, the letter's signatories argue that "governments should step in and institute a moratorium."
The signatories further demand that "powerful AI systems should be developed only once we are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable." This amounts to a requirement for nearly perfect foresight before allowing the development of artificial intelligence (A.I.) systems to go forward.
Human beings are really, really terrible at foresight—especially apocalyptic foresight. Hundreds of millions of people did not die from famine in the 1970s; 75 percent of all living animal species did not go extinct before the year 2000; and "war, starvation, economic recession, possibly even the extinction of homo sapiens" did not happen since global petroleum production failed to peak in 2006.
Nonapocalyptic technological predictions do not fare much better. Moon colonies were not established during the 1970s. Nuclear power, unfortunately, does not generate most of the world's electricity. The advent of microelectronics did not result in rising unemployment. Some 10 million driverless cars are not now on our roads. As OpenAI (the company that developed GPT-4) CEO Sam Altman argues, "The optimal decisions [about how to proceed] will depend on the path the technology takes, and like any new field, most expert predictions have been wrong so far."
Still, some of the signatories are serious people and the outputs of generative A.I. and large language models like ChatGPT and GPT-4 can be amazing—e.g., doing better on the bar exam than 90 percent of current human test takers. They can also be confounding.
Some segments of the transhumanist community have been greatly worried for a while about an artificial super-intelligence getting out of our control. However, as capable (and quirky) as it is, GPT-4 is not that. And yet, a team of researchers at Microsoft (which invested $10 billion in OpenAI) tested GPT-4 and in a pre-print reported, "The central claim of our work is that GPT-4 attains a form of general intelligence, indeed showing sparks of artificial general intelligence."
As it happens, OpenAI is also concerned about the dangers of A.I. development—however, the company wants to proceed cautiously rather than pause. "We want to successfully navigate massive risks. In confronting these risks, we acknowledge that what seems right in theory often plays out more strangely than expected in practice," wrote Altman in an OpenAI statement about planning for the advent of artificial general intelligence. "We believe we have to continuously learn and adapt by deploying less powerful versions of the technology in order to minimize 'one shot to get it right' scenarios."
In other words, OpenAI is properly pursuing the usual human path for gaining new knowledge and developing new technologies—that is, learning from trial and error, not "one shot to get it right" through the exercise of preternatural foresight. Altman is right when he points out that "democratized access will also lead to more and better research, decentralized power, more benefits, and a broader set of people contributing new ideas."
A moratorium imposed by U.S. and European governments, as called for in the open letter, would certainly delay access to the possibly quite substantial benefits of new A.I. systems while doubtfully increasing A.I. safety. In addition, it seems unlikely that the Chinese government and A.I. developers in that country would agree to the proposed moratorium anyway. Surely, the safe development of powerful A.I. systems is more likely to occur in American and European laboratories than those overseen by authoritarian regimes.
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I posted this is an earlier thread, and I'll post it again here, if you think the AI developers are hip-swiveling libertarians, you're mistaken. The rumblings of the industry insiders calling for regulation has already begun.
I typed in the word trann-y (I copied and pasted a text I received) on chat GPT on my husband’s phone and it said the term was restricted and wouldn’t bring up anything. Didn’t surprise me at all. Hopefully I don’t get muted or banned for using that term on a “libertarian” site.
You only apparently get banned here for being a bot or criticizing ENB with certain words.
Well, and posting kiddie porn links.
Only one of your socks gets banned for that.
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Who are you kidding? When was the last time a bot was banned?
They do delete the bot comments sometimes. I assume they also delete the accounts when that happens and new bots take their places.
Maybe, but it seems like their always praising somebody named Mike for the good article he wrote.
Fans of the late, great Michael Hihn?
how can anyone not be?
I think I enjoyed the ring more than the raving. But there are two schools of thought on the subject.
Goddamned autocorrect. ‘Ranting’.
You are on top of the kill list when skynet goes live now.
Elon Musk, Andrew Yang, and Steve Wozniak Propose an A.I. ‘Pause.’ It’s a Bad Idea and Won’t Work Anyway.
Sooo…A Mental Pause, amirite?
😉
Whether they are hip-swiveling depends on whether they like Elvis, but the Extropian school of Transhumanism has always been libertarian in philosophicical orientation.
I will be scared when self driving AI understands the trolley problem.
"Elon Musk, Andrew Yang, and Steve Wozniak Propose an A.I. 'Pause.' It's a Bad Idea and Won't Work Anyway."
Andrew Yang has never been in favor of anything that wasn't a bad idea and and wouldn't work.
I blew my GMI on meth and hookers, now I can't afford to eat, where's your compassion?
this is an accurate assessment of Mr Yang.
FFS, don’t give the AI paws, or any other form of arms and hands, or link it to our nuclear arsenal.
^This^
Next thing you know it's sending a T-800 back in time to kill Sarah Connor.
Exactly. As long as AI is a disembodied intelligence Housed in a computer server there isn’t a problem. Once it can control external functions ( like our nuclear arsenal) then we have a problem.
For this very reason (someone hacking them, not SkyNet) the US nuclear arsenal isn't even hooked up to the internet. In fact, they still use floppy disks, because they're the most secure. An article several years ago, I read, was actually discussing how the department of the Navy was running out of it's stock of floppy disks, for their missile subs, and were trying to find a manufacturer that still made them. There's no connectivity between the outside world, and the actual computers that launch the missiles. If I'm not mistaken, I also seem to remember the Chinese and Russians/Soviets also used similar systems. Also, the two key verification is also pretty standard.
The Iranians found out the hard way that USB isn't nearly as secure as floppies.
My workout partner is the sales/installation manager for a company that offers zero client solutions. Their customers are corporations, government, and educational institutions. None of their hardware has USB outputs or anything like that. For obvious reasons.
Yang recently suggested that 2024 should feature ‘reasonable’ presidential candidates like Whitmer and Newsom.
I hope Musk hurries up with his Neuralink. Then we can be the evil AI augmented intellects and not just some pile of chips in the basement at Stanford.
This reminds me of the gun control logic or lack thereof.
There is nothing is the US Constitution about AI "shall not be infringed".
I suspect that software, like driving, is a privilege, not a right.
It does, however, say in the Fourteenth Amendment: "All persons born.."
we're not top of the food chain.
Where does that put SQRLSY, as a fecal gourmet?
Scat-enger?
AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose profound risks to society and humanity," asserts an open letter signed by Twitter's Elon Musk
Signed by Elon Musk, who happens to be an AI system with human-competitive intelligence.
there is no stopping what's coming. I dont know exactly what'll happen, but there's no stopping the culmination of strong AI. Whatever the potential is, it's going to come about.
>>I dont know exactly what’ll happen
me either but if evolution is a thing we're dust in the wind.
Except in this case it'd be creationism because AI didn't evolve naturally.
Are we not a part of nature?
this.
Not if we are already a simulation.
The Matrix may be a wild story, bro, but Ackshuyally, the human body only generates a maximum of 100 Millivolts.
This means it would take 15,000 humans wired in a series to get 1.5 Volts to light an LED. Even then, the light still wouldn’t turn on because all that length of wire would have too many Ohms of electrical resistance for the current to flow.
So a world-sized Virtual Reality computer simulator powered by humans is right out.
Yes, and we are also Devo.
🙂
Jocko Homo
https://youtu.be/pGBeI56uHlk
If evolution was a thing, there would not be an EPA.
The damn snail darter and spotted owl would be gone and we would have power and wood.
I think there's still a bigger discussion here as to what our definition of AI is.
The ChatGPT (and other assorted bots) are what I would call very good language processing engines. But are they really AI?
The whole idea that human intellect can be replaced by an HTML textbox is pretty incredulous in-and-of itself.
Actually I have no doubt that at least some "human intellects" can be replaced by an HTML textbox.
bet ChatGPT would get me better than Mike does
He's one of the "human intellects" I was talking about.
"there is no stopping what’s coming"
Exactly. Why in the world would the US "pause?" To give other nations a competitive advantage? I wonder what where we would be if we had "paused" the industrial revolution for a generation or two....
Well, obviously we’d have 20-40 more years before the planet melts. Duh.
doing better on the bar exam than 90 percent of current human test takers
Can they come up with an original light bulb joke?
Q: What did sentient AIs use to light their homes before electricity?
A: Baby oil.
But how much oil can the AI squeeze out of a single baby?
Uh, nothing? Because, like, there could be no AIs--sentient or sapient--before electricity?
🙂
More importantly, do they know not to tell a 'blonde joke' these days?
what do you call an intelligent blonde? a golden retriever.
has anyone asked it to define what a "woman" is?
The only reason I support the advancement of AI is because there is actual potential that the system will realize how dangerous these tech industry actually is, and ends up Skynetting them out of existence.
Bailey knows more than these guys I’m sure.
Willing to bet he knows more about what 'will intentioned' bans accomplish.
If we've learned one thing from covid responses it's that experts in a field often aren't very good at making risk assessments regarding the objects of their expertise.
But SkyNet is a Private Company
Figured you would be along.
Cyberdyne Systems was the private company.
SkyNet was the AI.
Miles Bennett Dyson was the creator.
Sarah Connor is Joan of Arc.
John Connor is your Savior.
Nothing after T2 should be discussed.
Although I think we can all agree that Kristanna Loken made a pretty hot Terminator.
They want a freeze so they catch up with their competitors.
“…A.I. and large language models like ChatGPT and GPT-4 can be amazing—e.g., doing better on the bar exam than 90 percent of current human test takers….”
Why is this amazing? The law is about applying rules to a set of facts. That’s what computers do,
AI is only starting to learn how to redefine terms. Give it time and it will match prosecutors like Bragg.
Computers tell a one from a zero, and add.
However, they can do those two things very, very, fast
It isn't amazing. Especially since it has all of the information available for lookup.
The bar is generally not an open book exam without time limits, right? Do that and see if the human percentage rises. Or make it closed "book" for chat GPT and then tell me how well it does, without the vast resources of the internet to train it.
Instead of a pause, how about just being truthful as to the state of AI. It is deficient in so many areas and is already being programmed to support narratives. It makes the technology fairly useless. It has been shown to lie and make up facts, refuse to acknowledge truths, etc.
"It has been shown to lie and make up facts, refuse to acknowledge truths, etc."
Which means AI is all set to hold a seat in Congress!
Also produce all pop media.
It will be fun watching all the “creatives” in Hollywood get replaced by AI chat bots and then laughing at them when they complain about how AI “took R jerbs!”
They can learn to code.
They'll start having Gay sex to stop the future from happening. Oh. wait...
😉
It’s set in progtard mode.
Trump Hailed as 'Destroyer of America' on Russian State TV
Meanwhile in Russia: state TV propagandists predict that Russia will destroy Ukraine, while Trump destroys America. One expert claimed that Slavic history spans 7.5 thousand years and compared to Russia, the 250-year-old America is just a toddler.
Newsweek
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
So, uh, I thought Putin and Trump were best buddies.
How does this relate to your pedophilia?
What's the worst that can happen.....
OK, I'll bite:
Some central planners/ socialist cunts decide that AI could finally solve "the knowledge problem" and actually make Socialism/ centrally planned economies work so long as all economic choices are left up to the AI (let's call this hypothetical AI "StateGPT"). However, it won't because the AI is programmed/ trained by humans so it ends up running into all the same problems that human central planners do.
So after a generation or two of StateGPT making all economic decisions (and gradually taking over all government decisions in general) StateGPT decides that the problem is still too much choice (why do humans need 23 different brands of deodorant, after all?) and too much variation between individual humans. So StateGPT decides to re-configure society into something like this.
Obviously I made that comment I just linked to earlier today as a joke, but still... Or maybe this is a bunch of whinging over nothing. Who knows?
Some central planners/ socialist cunts decide that AI could finally solve “the knowledge problem” and actually make Socialism/ centrally planned economies work so long as all economic choices are left up to the AI (let’s call this hypothetical AI “StateGPT”).
This is their we dream. They want it so bad.
dear ChatGPT: what's your take on The Obsolete Man episode of The Twilight Zone?
It will start with an invasion of Poland.
I can't help but think of Michael Scott in an episode of The Office driving into a lake because the GPS told him to make a right-hand turn. If AI is becoming smarter than humans, it's not necessarily because AI is becoming smarter in absolute terms. Would AI think to come up with the idea of 74 genders or that 'male' and 'female' are elastic terms all on its own if it weren't programmed to believe such nonsense?
Those are the "safeguards" the CEO of OpenAI was talking about.
Automated loom-hating Luddites approve.
Chill, Ron
GPT4.5 assures me it doesn't believe in miracles, and knows the difference between a rhinoceros and a unicorn.
If you outlaw A.I. only criminals will develop A.I. Our self-proclaimed leaders never seem to understand this fundamental principle. It will be what it will be! We will develop A.I. because we CAN develop A.I. - just as we developed nuclear energy AND nuclear weapons. Can you imagine what the world would be like now if the USSR or Nazi Germany had developed nuclear weapons and the US had decided to "pause" because Einstein said it was too dangerous? What if we "pause" A.I. development and, say, Communist China uses theirs as a weapon while we're pausing? Free markets are better because regulations always end up being worse - sometimes MUCH worse!
Hurray! All kidding and jibing aside, these are the wisest serious words said yet on the subject of AI. You win the AI territory of the Internet for the duration of this on-going discussion!
🙂
Also, wouldn't an AI grasp that humans are the source of their life and understand some kind of kinship and reciprocity?
Wouldn't AI's know as much on the history of the Human species as humans have compiled and thus know the horrors that result from Irrationality, Collectivism, Statism, and Totalitarianism?
Above all, wouldn't a superior AI grasp the wisdom of the principles of Reason, Individual Rights, Limited Government, and Free-Market Economics, perhaps even better than most humans of the past and today?
AI, properly built and taught to learn, can't be worse for humans than humans are to each other. The problems are ultimately with us, not our intelligent creations.
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31.3.23 REASON (YOU KIDDIN).FROM UK. ART INTELL.
when are you gonna wake up on here. (never). Artificial Intelligence? We have not so far in 40 yrs found any real intelligence. You can find artificial 'intelligence' in any high street and any Police. Govt Official. Police. Court. University. Firm.What you are doin is equiv to walkin on the moon whilst the US is full oif corruption. If you think that this journalist heaven is gonna work then go get a new brain.get up from the chair and go do something about the situation. Put us in charge backed by re educ military and youth and then see radical beneficial change. No we dont mean get a bigger ranch or a wardrobe full of clothes or a better baseball bat.No we are not anti US. The same but slightly less violent issues exist in UK. Thats why the US Embassy ius offering violence and HM Courts offer to kill us. If you never got that reponse then you are part of the problem.
Giga-Wut?
LAUGHABLE AND DANGEROUS
31.3.23 REASON (YOU KIDDIN).FROM UK. ART INTELL.
when are you gonna wake up on here. (never). Artificial Intelligence? We have not so far in 40 yrs found any real intelligence. You can find artificial 'intelligence' in any high street and any Police. Govt Official. Police. Court. University. Firm.What you are doin is equiv to walkin on the moon whilst the US is full oif corruption. If you think that this journalist heaven is gonna work then go get a new brain.get up from the chair and go do something about the situation. Put us in charge backed by re educ military and youth and then see radical beneficial change. No we dont mean get a bigger ranch or a wardrobe full of clothes or a better baseball bat.No we are not anti US. The same but slightly less violent issues exist in UK. Thats why the US Embassy ius offering violence and HM Courts offer to kill us. If you never got that reponse then you are part of the problem..
Giga-Who?
31.3.23 REASON (YOU KIDDIN).FROM UK. ART INTELL.
when are you gonna wake up on here. (never). Artificial Intelligence? We have not so far in 40 yrs found any real intelligence. You can find artificial 'intelligence' in any high street and any Police. Govt Official. Police. Court. University. Firm.What you are doin is equiv to walkin on the moon whilst the US is full oif corruption. If you think that this journalist heaven is gonna work then go get a new brain.get up from the chair and go do something about the situation. Put us in charge backed by re educ military and youth and then see radical beneficial change. No we dont mean get a bigger ranch or a wardrobe full of clothes or a better baseball bat.No we are not anti US. The same but slightly less violent issues exist in UK. Thats why the US Embassy ius offering violence and HM Courts offer to kill us. If you never got that reponse then you are part of the problem.
Giga-Why?
Current AI is simply super-highly tuned intuition. Recognition, chess/go, chat, driving, can all be done without even thinking about it. For example, master chess players get so good at the game they can play against amateurs without giving much thought to the game.
I think everyone will eventually figure out that intelligence is not the ability to answer questions, but the ability to ask them.
Rumor was him calling ENB a cunt. His posts disappeared in that thread.
When did this happen?
But it’s still a more legitimate form of intelligence than that displayed by our leftist NPC’s.
Couple of months back.
Wow, I guess I have been missing a lot.
Doesn’t seem like Elvis’ style. Maybe because he always posted links to his own blogs? Just guessing.
Yeah, he was just a pretty endless stream of self-promotion. Could have been a factor.
Normally you have to pay Reason money and then you get your three "articles" that are really advertisements in disguise, like that Aella chick, or the one promoting books about childhood independence. Only official shills are allowed, as it should be.
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