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Pandemic

The Crusade Against 'Malinformation' Explicitly Targets Inconvenient Truths

The legal challenge to censorship by proxy highlights covert government manipulation of online speech.

Jacob Sullum | 3.22.2023 12:01 AM

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Last month, I noted that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had repeatedly exaggerated the scientific evidence supporting face mask mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic. Facebook attached a warning to that column, which it said was "missing context" and "could mislead people."

According to an alliance of social media platforms, government-funded organizations, and federal officials that journalist Michael Shellenberger calls the "censorship-industrial complex," I had committed the offense of "malinformation." Unlike "disinformation," which is intentionally misleading, or "misinformation," which is erroneous, "malinformation" is true but inconvenient.

As illustrated by internal Twitter communications that journalist Matt Taibbi highlighted last week, malinformation can include emails from government officials that undermine their credibility and "true content which might promote vaccine hesitancy." The latter category encompasses accurate reports of "breakthrough infections" among people vaccinated against COVID-19, accounts of "true vaccine side effects," objections to vaccine mandates, criticism of politicians, and citations of peer-reviewed research on naturally acquired immunity.

Disinformation and misinformation have always been contested categories, defined by the fallible and frequently subjective judgments of public officials and other government-endorsed experts. But malinformation is even more clearly in the eye of the beholder, since it is defined not by its alleged inaccuracy but by its perceived threat to public health, democracy, or national security, which often amounts to nothing more than questioning the wisdom, honesty, or authority of those experts.

Taibbi's recent revelations focused on the work of the Virality Project, which the taxpayer-subsidized Stanford Internet Observatory (SIO) launched in 2020. Although Renée DiResta, the SIO's research manager, concedes that "misinformation is ultimately speech," meaning the government cannot directly suppress it, she says the threat it poses "require[s] that social media platforms, independent researchers and the government work together as partners in the fight."

That sort of collaboration raises obvious free speech concerns. If platforms like Twitter and Facebook were independently making these assessments, their editorial discretion would be protected by the First Amendment. But the picture looks different when government officials, including the president, the surgeon general, members of Congress, and representatives of public health and law enforcement agencies, publicly and privately chastise social media companies for not doing enough to suppress speech they view as dangerous.

Such meddling is especially alarming when it includes specific "requests" to remove content, make it less accessible, or banish particular users. Even without explicit extortion, those requests are tantamount to commands, because they are made against a backdrop of threats to punish recalcitrant platforms.

The threats include antitrust action, increased liability for user-posted content, and other "legal and regulatory measures." Surgeon General Vivek Murthy said such measures might be necessary when he demanded a "whole-of-society" effort to combat the "urgent threat" posed by "health misinformation."

In a federal lawsuit filed last year, the attorneys general of Missouri and Louisiana, joined by scientists who ran afoul of the ever-expanding crusade against disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation, argue that such pressure violates the First Amendment. This week, Terry A. Doughty, a federal judge in Louisiana, allowed that lawsuit to proceed, saying the plaintiffs had adequately alleged "significant encouragement and coercion that converts the otherwise private conduct of censorship on social-media platforms into state action."

Doughty added that the plaintiffs "have plausibly alleged state action under the theories of joint participation, entwinement, and the combining of factors such as subsidization, authorization, and encouragement." Based on that analysis, he ruled that the plaintiffs "plausibly state a claim for violation of the First Amendment via government-induced censorship."

Whatever the ultimate outcome of that case, Congress can take steps to discourage censorship by proxy. Shellenberger argues that it should stop funding groups like the ISO and "mandate instant reporting of all communications between government officials and contractors with social media executives relating to content moderation."

The interference that Shellenberger describes should not be a partisan issue. It should trouble anyone who prefers open inquiry and debate to covert government manipulation of online speech.

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  1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    Sullum hardest hit

    1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

      Does seem disingenuous to be whining about it now, after he got flagged, as opposed to two years ago when it really, genuinely needed to be called out.

      1. MasterThief   2 years ago

        It's also a failing of his own partisanship to not note that this is all done in a partisan manner that supports his party. It's always "claims of censorship from conservatives" and not an acknowledgement of the fact that it happens.
        A worthless "libertarian" take since he continues to soft-peddle the criticism and only speaks up because his own ox got gored.

        1. Rob Misek   2 years ago (edited)

          Truth always has been and always will be inconvenient to the corrupt.

          That why humanity developed the principles of logic and science which eventually discern truth by refuting all untruths.

          Some of us have come a long way from claiming what we can’t prove and denying what we can’t refute.

          Discerning truth takes time. Lies harm immediately. Isn’t it the job of government to make and enforce laws that prevent people from harming each other?

          Criminalize lying.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            "...Criminalize lying."

            You'd never be a free man, Nazi shit.

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            2. Rob Misek   2 years ago

              “ Some of us have come a long way from claiming what we can’t prove and denying what we can’t refute.”

              I wasn’t talking about you.

          2. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

            Oh look, the Nazi is once again demanding speech be criminalized. What a surprise.

            1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

              Kol Nidre boy isn’t. No surprise there.

          3. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

            “Criminalize lying.”

            What would politicians do for a living?

            1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

              Something different.

              1. Sevo   2 years ago

                So would you, Nazi scum.

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          4. B G   2 years ago

            "That why humanity developed the principles of logic and science which eventually discern truth by refuting all untruths."

            On any given day, we could discover a new data point that would either refute or force us to reconfigure the underlying logic to anything we currently consider to be "truth". Under the standards you propose, nothing could ever truly be called proven because there's too much about the universe which we don't know that we don't know.

            Name anything you consider to be a proven truth. Then prove that there's no possibility that human knowledge entails everything there is to know which might possibly be relevant to refuting it. Your entire premise is, under the standard you would apply to the world, untrue; by your own criteria, every time you regurgitate this noise, you would be convicted as a liar.

            From the idea of the flat Earth, to the Geocentric cosmos, to the solidness of matter, to salt consumption causing high blood pressure, to Seratonin levels in the brain controlling depression, history is full of examples where something that consensus deemed to be "settled" (because it was deemed to fit what we thought was all of the available data) was upended by the discovery of some new piece of data; in most cases the first to point to that new data were ignored, suppressed, or called heretics/liars.

            1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

              Our most current understanding of logic and science is the best we will ever be capable of. That’s truth that can be enforced by law.

              You don’t know, so say that and you will get all the attention you deserve, none.

              You know when you can’t prove what you claim or refute what you deny. If you’re too stupid to know that, you would learn to shut up and once again get all the attention you deserve. Sound good?

              When lying is criminalized more people will admit when they don’t know and we’ll listen to those stating facts that they can prove.

              The way it should be.

              1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                You will be forced to admit the Holocaust, or go to prison for life.

                1. Rob Misek   2 years ago (edited)

                  I would suggest that first the claim that a holocaust ever occurred would need to be irrefutably proven. Paid and coerced testimony is inadmissible.

                  Failing the ability to do that the entire holocaust industry would need to be dismantled, all criminals purporting it punished and all victims of it compensated.

                  To prosecute me you would simply have to demonstrate that my statements aren’t supported by correctly applied logic and science. Refute them.

                  None of you ever have or ever will be up to that task.

                  The following points refute key elements of the holocaust with logic and science. This is because all stories creating the holocaust narrative defy logic and science.

                  There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence. Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred.

                  The fact that all evidence that refutes the holocaust is criminal in every nation where it allegedly occurred is relevant if you are accepting any evidence at all from those nations.

                  Refusing to consider evidence is the definition of bias and any conclusion that bias is irrelevant only demonstrates bigotry and a disregard for justice.

                  The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That couldn’t have happened as claimed. The story is bullshit.

                  Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.

                  But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.

                  And so it goes with every bullshit story told by paid and coerced lying fuckwitnesses. The facts prove otherwise.

                  Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.

                  The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.

                  The story is told by one Jewish survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.

                  She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.

                  They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.

                  Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.

                  There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.

                  There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.

                  Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school.

                  Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.

                  Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of.

                  Here are some actual enigma decrypts from Bletchley park in 1942 when deaths were at their highest.

                  Firstly the number of dead for the month are nowhere near what is necessary to support the holocaust narrative.

                  Secondly, notable is the concern over typhus deaths and the requests for medical supplies to treat.

                  GPDD No’s.:- 194/199, 201/203, 205, 218, 219, 222/3, 226, 233, 236, 239, 240/2, 247.

                  Covering the period 3rd Aug. 1942 – 25th Sept. 1942

                  A further examination is made of Concentration Camp figures; deaths from typhus have reached a very high figure in AUSCHWITZ.

                  A suspected case of typhus is reported from AUSCHWITZ (223b/42). It is probable that on the 6th August Nachschubkdtr. Russland Mitte requests typhus vaccine for 50 men and spottenfever serum for 20

                  For the first time returns are given for deaths of prisoners (223b/14,24,43,50): the figures for August are: NIEDERHAGEN 21, AUSCHWITZ 6829 (or 6889) men, 1525 women;.

                  Are you willing and eager to perform the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?

                  That would require you to really believe that Germany INTENTIONALLY lost the war to cover up the holocaust while ostensibly leaving lying fuckwitnesses alive in the prison camps as the Germans retreated.

                  The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers.

                  The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.

                  The Red Cross was founded in 1863 with the purpose of protecting the interests of victims of conflicts.

                  The holocaust fairytale requires us to believe that they were so unaware of what might be happening that they completely missed 95% of the victims in prison camps.

                  AND that they had not so much as an inkling that a holocaust was going on right under their noses even though allied media propaganda was reporting it. Because there is no evidence of any Red Cross document suggesting they did.

                  Are you performing those feeble mental gymnastics? How gullible are you?

                  The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.

                  There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.

                  Head of British Psychological Warfare Executive (Propaganda), Victor Cavendish-Bentick in a handwritten note, wrote on Aug 27th, 1943,

                  “We have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don’t we run the risk eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring the whole of our psychological warfare down with it? So isn’t it rather time now to let it drift off by itself and concentrate on other lines that we are running.”

                  Public Record Office Document F0371/34551 revealed by Stephen Mitford Goodson, ‘Inside the South African Reserve Bank’.

                  Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before and during the war throughout Europe employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.

                  Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.

                  Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.

                  According to the testimony of the so called survivor, the timing entering the chambers immediately, the details shirtless survivor, piles of bodies with unvented cyanide gas pockets in every space, death from repeated exposure as per testimony would have been necessary, not just possible.

                  According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.

                  Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.

                  If Germans had used gasoline engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though Germany had plenty of gasoline for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.

                  Somebody is lying. They weren’t both steam chambers and diesel gas chambers.Which stupid lie is more believable? Does it even matter to you?

                  Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.

                  What’s the probability after being proven lying about 6 million Jewish deaths by holocaust over 166 times that the 167th claim is true? Better to buy a lottery ticket. Though the bullshiit narrative has been like a lottery bonanza for Jews.

                  The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.

                  These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?

                  They are properly referenced quotes from Jewish leaders demonstrating that they had intended to create and force Germany into WW2.

                  That kind of evil is absolutely relevant when considering the character required to lie to the world about a holocaust for the 167 th time.

                  “We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”. David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.

                  “The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”

                  Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.

                  The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    Once more, the lying piece of shit fills a lot of space, totally ignorant of the fact that what evidence he's found it totally irrelevant to his argument, and the rest doesn't even qualify as evidence.
                    Yes, he's a lying pile of Nazi scum, but he makes up for it by being abysmally stupid besides.

                    1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      You desperately tried and failed to refute what I said before, and I rubbed your face in it.

                      I see you’ve given up. Hahaha

                    2. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "You desperately tried and failed to refute what I said before, and I rubbed your face in it.
                      I see you’ve given up. Hahaha"

                      No, Nazi shit; here it is again, and those with an IQ higher than single digits will see that, indeed:
                      You.
                      Are.
                      Full.
                      Of.
                      Shit.

                      Misek’s “irrefutable” evidence shown to be largely lacking in evidence and refuted where we find some few scraps:
                      1) “There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence.”
                      That’s a lie.
                      Contemporarily, there was ample evidence in carcasses, skeletons, other human remains, mounds of possessions, gold dentures, etc.
                      Even in 1994, comparisons cyanide ions remaining on the walls of buildings where Zyklon-B was used sparing as a fumigant and the walls of the cellars at Auschwitz shows drastic deltas: Institute for Forensic Research, Cracow: Post-Leuchter Report (archive.org)
                      2) “Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred”
                      Irrelevance
                      3) “The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That never happened.”
                      Lie or possible attempt at sophistry; cyanide is the active ingredient in Zyklon-B.
                      4) “Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
                      But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.”
                      Bullshit. It is possible to die from contact, but the primary cause of death from Zyklon-B is ingestion of the gas containing the cyanide.
                      5) “And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.”
                      Irrelevant attempt to poison the well; not evidence.
                      6) “Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
                      The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
                      The story is told by one Jewish survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
                      She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
                      They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
                      Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
                      There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
                      There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
                      Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school”
                      To be honest, I haven’t heard of this but as regards any of evidence with reference to the Holocaust, it says nothing at all. It is totally irrelevant.
                      7) “Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
                      Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of”
                      Cite missing for YOUR claim, but:
                      “Allied forces knew about Holocaust two years before discovery of concentration camps, secret documents reveal”
                      […]
                      “The Allied Powers were aware of the scale of the Jewish Holocaust two-and-a-half years earlier than is generally assumed, and had even prepared war crimes indictments against Adolf Hitler and his top Nazi commanders…”
                      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html
                      8) “Are you willingly performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?”
                      OK, this goes beyond parody, and this represents the Nazi shit’s level of gullibility.
                      Simply, yes, the Nazis did NOT want to broadcast to the world that they were engaged in mass-murder, as the post-war interrogations proved. If there’s ‘mental gymnastics’ here, Nazi shit just got a unanimous “1”.
                      9) “The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers”
                      Cite missing.
                      “The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
                      Are you performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe that the Red Cross were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% or 5,629,000 deaths?”
                      Is Nazi shit so gullible as to believe the Nazis would welcome the Red Cross to the death camps? Seems so. Value as “evidence” = zero
                      10) “Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
                      Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
                      Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.”
                      Arm-waving; see about for Zyklon-B concentrations. Value as “evidence” = zero
                      11) “According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.”
                      Arm-waving, Value as “evidence” = zero
                      12) “Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.”
                      One approximation, one number many assumptions, no support. Value as “evidence” = zero.
                      13) “If Germans had used gas engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though they had plenty of gas for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
                      Which stupid lie is more believable? You have to perform some feeble mental gymnastics to buy that.”
                      More arm-waving, weak attempt at well poisoning, zero evidence.
                      14) “Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
                      The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.”
                      Anti-sematic rant, followed by idiotic conspiracy theory; not anywhere close to “evidence”.
                      15) “There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.”
                      I’ll bet there were all sorts of letters which were embarrassing during WWII. Try finding some evidence
                      16) “The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
                      These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
                      “We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”.
                      David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
                      “The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
                      Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
                      The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
                      Smells strongly of “DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!!”, but regardless, even if true, it is irrelevant to the question.

                    3. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "You have no clue.
                      Apparently you think the allies didn’t use propaganda."

                      You are cluically challenged.
                      You seem to think that has bearing on the discussion.
                      Hint: You are too fucking stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" and "relevance".
                      Eat shit and die, Nazi scum.

                    4. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      You are DESPERATE to refute what I said because you recognize that truth can’t be refuted. Hahaha

                      Your cherished bogeyman narrative necessary to your perpetual victim mentality has been refuted.

                      I HAVE immediately refuted your even more feeble attempt than the last, demonstrating that you can’t refute the truth, that I said.

                      I want you to recognize that as soon as it is no longer a criminal offence to refute it in every nation where it allegedly occurred, forensic analysis will probably only add to my statements of logic and science that refute the holocaust. I can’t wait.

                      Somehow you managed to fail more miserably than last time but I appreciate the opportunity to clearly demonstrate it, just the same.

                      1) Being a crime to conclude that the holocaust is refuted, no government approved study could have been objective when the conclusion is predetermined.

                      The polish government approved “post lecter” report simply concluded that trace amounts of cyanide were found throughout the camp and did not even address the lectern reports analysis of the extreme concentration of cyanide in the admittedly non homicidal clothing fumigation chambers that were designed to use zyklon b.

                      The government would have committed a crime if they had actually been objective.

                      Your point 1) has been refuted.

                      2) typical for a biased feeble minded fuckwit you didn’t even try to refute how I demonstrated that criminalizing the evidence that refutes the holocaust is relevant.

                      I’ll repeat it, just for you.

                      The fact that all evidence that refutes the holocaust is criminal in every nation where it allegedly occurred is relevant if you are accepting any evidence at all from those nations.

                      Refusing to consider evidence is the definition of bias and YOUR conclusion that bias is irrelevant only demonstrates your bigotry and disregard for justice.

                      Your feeble point 2) was already refuted

                      3) typical for a biased feeble minded fuckwit you didn’t even try to refute how I demonstrated that zyklon b was a pesticide used to save lives throughout Europe. Its use absolutely no evidence of a holocaust, instead to save lives.

                      Your feeble point 3) was already refuted.

                      4) Typical for a biased feeble minded fuckwit you didn’t even try to refute how I demonstrated that the described method of using zyklon b doesn’t support the narrative and that death from the detailed fuckwitness testimony and picture would have been scientifically necessary NOT merely possible.

                      Here I’ll repeat it for you,

                      Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.

                      According to the testimony of the so called survivor, the timing entering the chambers immediately, the details shirtless survivor, piles of bodies with unvented cyanide gas pockets in every space, death from repeated exposure as per testimony would have been necessary, not just possible.

                      Your feeble point 4) was already refuted.

                      5) Your desperation to refute what I’ve said demonstrates that you believe that facts will prove a story is bullshit.

                      Your problem is that my facts are proving that your story is bullshit.

                      That’s what we’re doing here. I hope that’s not irrelevant. Hahaha

                      Your feeble point 5) has been refuted

                      6) the fact that you admit that you haven’t heard of what Jews herald as the single greatest event of the holocaust and therefore consider it irrelevant demonstrates the low bar you set for “irrelevance” and just how ignorant you are.

                      Your ignorant point 6) has been refuted.

                      7) The fact that the allies admitted to using media propaganda to spread the holocaust lie for years doesn’t prove that there was a holocaust, in fact the opposite.

                      I provided my reference dates and identification.

                      Your feeble point 7) was refuted.

                      8) you admit that the Bletchley park decrypts demonstrate that to believe the holocaust story about them you must believe that the Germans intentionally lost the war to cover up the holocaust and at the same time left lying fuckwitnesses alive to tell the story after the Germans.

                      This is what you believe. Hey folks you didn’t win the war, the Germans intentionally lost it to protect a secret that they left witnesses alive to tell it.

                      Sevo the retarded has performed his most famous feat of feeble minded gymnastics.

                      Hmmmm should be in a history book somewhere Dontcha think. No you don’t.

                      Your feeble point 8) was hahaha refuted.

                      9) You are claiming that the Red Cross didn’t visit German prison camps. That’s an absurd lie disproven by the numerous Red Cross records.

                      Did you just make that up general because it’s time for your medication.

                      You need to provide a cite. Hahaha, I won’t hold my breath.

                      Your feeble point 9) has been refuted.

                      10) in your feeble fuckmindedness you forgot that that information soundly refuted your points 3) and 4). It is neither irrelevant or “arm waving”

                      Your point 10) has been refuted

                      11) the contradiction between the Nuremberg conclusion and the official holocaust story demonstrates that one or both are lying and therefore not credible.

                      I’d call that relevant to refuting the holocaust.

                      Point 11) has been refuted

                      12) they are the numbers and you haven’t refuted them. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe and definitely doesn’t support the mass murder narrative of the holocaust. If diesel exhaust was used in gas chambers , the holocaust couldn’t have happened.

                      I’d call that relevant to refuting the holocaust.

                      Your point 12) has been refuted.

                      13) simply the summary of what was contained in points 11) and 12) and refuted with them.

                      Your point 13) has been refuted.

                      14) you haven’t refuted the fact that Jews did publicly falsely claim to have suffered from holocaust’s of 6 million no less than 166 time between the years 1900 and 1945.

                      You didn’t refute the probability of the 167th claim being true. Better to buy a lottery ticket. Or the fact that the bullshiit narrative has been like a lottery bonanza for Jews.

                      The fact that the truth is antisemitic is irrelevant to refuting the holocaust.

                      Your point 14) has been refuted

                      15) the fact that the documented letter from the head of the British propaganda office Victor Cavendish-Bentick admits in august of 1943 that they have NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE HOLOCAUST PROPAGANDA is evidence relevant to refuting the holocaust.

                      Your point 15) has been refuted

                      16) it demonstrates the inherent evil of a people whose religion advocates lying and that these claims which aren’t required curriculum in school demonstrate that the majority of people don’t yet know the truth.

                      This is entirely relevant to the holocaust purported by the usual suspects.

                      Your point 16) has been refuted.

                      All your feeble points have been refuted demonstrating that you haven’t refuted a word I’ve said.

                      I like feeding trolls evidence of truth that they can’t refute and laughing at you as you choke trying. Hahaha

                  2. B G   2 years ago

                    "The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war."

                    You'd think the German bombs falling on so many cities in England would have been sufficient to turn public opinion in favor of the war in an officially Protestant Christian country with less than 1% Jewish residents before the war (which increased to around 1% of the population by 1943 because of those who fled the continent as it was occupied by German forces).

                    Or do you think the accounts out of London during "the Blitz" were also coerced and/or paid to perpetuate some kind of hoax?

                    Maybe the whole war from the invasion of Poland to D-Day was made up by Hollywood (and Germany was divided into "east" and "west" just to cover it all up)? They certainly made a ton of money telling stories about it over the years....

                    1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      You obviously can’t refute what I have said.

                    2. B G   2 years ago

                      There's no reason for me to refute your insanity.

                      The idea that the purpose of creating a myth of the holocaust was to manufacture support for a war among people who had already been subjected to 56 consecutive days of air raids is insane on its face. Anyone in England who didn't support the war effort after the Blitz wasn't going to be swayed by claims of any kind of atrocity against ethnic/religious minorities hundreds of miles away, and any effort expended trying would have been wasted entirely.

                      The U.S. fabricated a story around the destruction of the USS Maine to generate support for WW1. After Pearl Harbor, there was no need to do the same for WW2.

                    3. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      You have no clue.

                      Apparently you think the allies didn’t use propaganda.

                      Hahaha

                    4. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

                      I see you have no response to BG. Typical.

                    5. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      I have no control over your lack of comprehension.

                      I’m pleased with the optics of this discourse.

                    6. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

                      You mean you're pleased you have no rebuttal to BG? Well, to each their own.

                  3. B G   2 years ago

                    "But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.

                    ....
                    Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before and during the war throughout Europe employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle. "

                    There's no need to debunk your claims when they're self-contradictory. In one part of the rant, you insist that those who handled the bodies of those killed by the gas would have been killed by skin absorption of gas (which you also insist was never deployed. Then it shifts to the claim that the reason for the gas being on hand for use in cleaning bedsheets and other textiles to prevent typhus (which would imply that the staff of the camps would also have been surrounded by residues which you contend would be fatal in the short term)?

                    We all get that in the distortion field you think of as "logic" it's not possible for any two things you choose to believe to be incompatible (a common trait among irrational ideologues, since contradictory ideas also permeate "progressive" thinking and most other blind-faith zealotry), but the application of acutal logic is all that's needed for a lot of your rantings to be shown as self-refuting. This means there's no real need for anyone who doesn't blindly swallow your nonsense to refute it themselves.

                    1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      The contradiction is between science and logic and the narrative that I’ve refuted.

                      I’ll type more slowly so you can understand, maybe.

                      IF cyanide gas had been used to kill a room full of people, the behaviour described by the fuckwitness would have necessarily killed him.

                      In fact if used in accordance with fumigation instructions and equipment zyklon b is relatively safe.

                      But the dumbass method described by the holocaust narrative not only would have taken too long to support the narrative but probably not worked at all.

                2. B G   2 years ago

                  "I would suggest that first the claim that a holocaust ever occurred would need to be irrefutably proven. Paid and coerced testimony is inadmissible."

                  You would have to prove your allegation that every witness account of the Nazi camps, including accounts from surviving prisoners, staff of the camps who were arrested, and the US/British/Russian soldiers who liberated the camps in the final months of the war were paid ans/or coerced to provide mutually corroborating information. You don't "know" this to be true under your own standards of proof (and bizarre interpretation of the concept of logic), and yet you repeatedly claim it as an objective fact.

                  Do you also believe that the tubs of wedding rings, gold teeth, and other deeply personal belongings of the prisoners which were photographed in the documentation of the camps during their liberation/dismantling were all just freely donated by those who had possibly volunteered for relocation to forced labor camps in which approximately 12 million "residents" died in under 6 years?

                  1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                    People die in war and in prison camps. It’s no proof of a holocaust.

                    I’ve demonstrated how easy it is to refute fuckwitness testimony.

                    Forensic evidence would refute the rest, if it wasn’t a crime to do so in every nation where it exists.

                    1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      Probably

                    2. B G   2 years ago

                      Your claim was that the witness testimony was paid and/or coerced, and implied that's the case for all of the thousands of cross-corroborating witness accounts.

                      By your own rules of "truth", the burden is on you to prove that to be the case, or else you're "lying". You've covered before that there's no burden to refute a claim that's not been proven true, so start operating by your own rules or admit that your entire premise of "enforcable honesty" is a false one.

                    3. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      I’ve refuted the only witness claims presented here.

                      If you want to present a new one, you’ll need to prove that the claim is true.

                      Or are you grateful that Jews oppose forensic review of the alleged sites while parading gold teeth in museums?

                    4. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      No fuckwitness has ever had to prove their claims.

                      Because refuting them is a crime in every nation where the events allegedly took place.

                      That’s how the lie persists.

                    5. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      Logically there was no witness present at any alleged holocaust event who wasn’t either coerced to confess complicity or paid reparations as a victim.

                      I am not aware of any specific exceptions. Are you? Prove it.

                      Can you refute that logic?

                    6. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)

                      “Logically there was no witness present at any alleged holocaust event who wasn’t either coerced to confess complicity or paid reparations as a victim….”

                      Rob Misek 2 hours ago
                      Flag Comment Mute User
                      "The burden of proof is only on those who make claims."

                      YOU made the claim; prove it.

                    7. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      I did. With logic.

                      Good luck refuting it.

                    8. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      I’ll type more slowly so you can understand, hahaha.

                      If there’s one theme that permeates the entire bullshit holocaust narrative, it that the Nazis were fanatical about covering it up.

                      It kinda has to since no evidence exists of something that didn’t happen.

                      Witnesses would be a big problem.

                      So it contradicts the theme that the Germans ostensibly left so many alive to tell the tale, when they could so easily have been killed.

                      Some fuckwit, I won’t say who, actually said that the Germans intentionally lost the war, sacrificing their military secrets via the enigma machines, to report lower death numbers in the prison camps thereby completely fooling the allies who they knew to be listening. I never saw that coming.

                      Soooo why would the Germans have invited spectators to witness the holocaust?

                      In any event there are participants and spectators. In this case the participants being the Nazis, every one facing the noose at Nuremberg and the victims every one expecting reparations.

                      In the absence of spectators, all paid or coerced.

                      Logic, ain’t it grand?

                    9. B G   2 years ago (edited)

                      “People die in war and in prison camps. It’s no proof of a holocaust.”

                      That’s irrelevant to your claim that all of the first-hand accounts were coerced/paid.

                      “I’ve demonstrated how easy it is to refute fuckwitness testimony. ”

                      All you’ve demonstrated is that you can’t tell obfuscation from proof and won’t answer a direct question on the same terms you’re demanding from others. Why should anyone in any forum take your concept of “truth” seriously when you won’t do it even one time?

                    10. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      I’ve proved with logic that all potential witness testimony must have been either paid or coerced.

                      If you’re capable of comprehending this, either refute my logic or accept it.

                      Clear?

                    11. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

                      "I’ve proved with logic that all potential witness testimony must have been either paid or coerced."

                      This may be the dumbest rebuttal I have ever read. Might as well say "nuh uh." It would at least not be as cringy.

                    12. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      I have no control over your lack of comprehension.

                      I’m pleased with the optics of this discourse.

                    13. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

                      You know you've lost when you resort to copy and paste responses. Well done! Your Fuhrer would be proud.

              2. B G   2 years ago

                "When lying is criminalized more people will admit when they don’t know and we’ll listen to those stating facts that they can prove."

                If you think this statement is true, then prove it. If you can't, then by measured by your standard you are a liar and deserve no attention.

                This is a guess on my part, but did you attend services at "The World Church of the Creator" in Idaho as a child? Is your obsession with the idea of legally enforceable "truth" connected to a desire to punish the FBI infiltrators who helped to imprison the leader of that organization along with others in the area?

                1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                  Logically the enforcement of laws reduce crime. That’s why we have them.

                  Lying is coercion. I simply want to criminalize it.

                  Why do you want to lie?

                  1. B G   2 years ago

                    I've covered multiple times that my issue with your proposed insanity is that it would be enforced selectively and to the benefit of those already in power (as so many existing laws are and past laws have been).

                    It's not about wanting to lie, it's about not accepting a system in which the burden of proof is put onto the accused and the holders of authority are empowered to determine "truth". Many societies have operated under those rules in human history, and none of those have produced any result other than oppression and totalitarian dictatorship.

                    You can't outlaw coercion by coercing silence.

                    1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      The burden of proof is only on those who make claims.

                      Nobody’s forcing anyone to claim anything, you won’t have to prove anything.

                      Lying is a coercive offence.

                    2. B G   2 years ago

                      "The burden of proof is only on those who make claims."

                      And yet you refuse to provide any evidence to support your claim that empowering the state to enforce "truth" will facilitate the removal of corrupt officials instead of being used by those corrupt officials to solidify their own hold on power (which has been the outcome in every past and current society which has allowed the prosecution of expression of ideas which were deemed to be false/dangerous).

                      As long as you refuse to operate under your own proposed rules, why should anyone else take any of your rantings about this (or any other) topic seriously?

                      If you're unwilling to provide the kinds of proof you're demanding from everyone else, then your entire premise on the concept of "truth" is itself (under your own rules) a lie, and you yourself are a liar meaning you're not to be taken seriously.

                    3. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      “ empowering the state to enforce “truth” will facilitate the removal of corrupt officials instead of being used by those corrupt officials to solidify their own hold on power ”

                      I’ll make it remedial for you.

                      When asked what they’re going to do, or have done the “corrupt officials” will either lie, tell the truth or not respond.

                      Are you still following?

                      If they lie, they’ve committed a crime and they’ve ousted.

                      If they tell the truth of their corruption, they’re ousted.

                      If they refuse to answer everyone will know why and either find out by asking their conspirators, same process etc, and probably either oust them in session or at the next election.

                      All this logically directly resulting from the criminalization of lying.

                      Again you can either refute this logic or accept it.

                      Clear?

                    4. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      I’m going to share something with you bg

                      I don’t always know for certain if people not recognizing logic are bigoted, have untrained minds or have minds genetically incapable of grasping logic.

                      With you I’m pretty sure it’s not the third. Therefore your grasp of logic can be improved with some effort on your part.

                      I suggest that if you train your mind to be open to all information, resisting preconceived conclusions, you will unlock and open doors to greater understanding of reality.

                      Know this. Walking through that door you leave behind those who refuse to, who will then perceive you with all the contempt of their bigotry as you see them perceive me.

                      It’s your choice and you’re lucky to have it. The red pill or the blue pill.

                    5. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                      That’s not a compliment. That’s merely me clearly stating an opportunity that has already always been available to you.

                      A room full of chimps eventually typing Shakespeare don’t deserve a compliment.

                2. Sevo   2 years ago

                  "Lying is a coercive offence."

                  Now the Nazi scum proves he has no understanding of the concept of "coercion".
                  Pretty soon, we'll get to the concept of "tying shoelaces" as we probe the depths of this asshole's ignorance.

                  1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                    Lying coerces by compelling people using the false authority of truth to act in the liars interest instead of their own. Liars use it to initiate harm against people.

                    That’s called rubbing your face in it.

                    I like feeding trolls evidence they can’t refute and laughing as you fall flat on your face choking on it. Hahaha

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  3. Jerryskids   2 years ago

    The interference that Shellenberger describes should not be a partisan issue. It should trouble anyone who prefers open inquiry and debate to covert government manipulation of online speech.

    Well, which is it? Should it or should it not be partisan? "[A]nyone who prefers open inquiry and debate" sounds pretty damn partisan to me.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago (edited)

      There you go again, expecting the words of a journalist to match the definitions for those words.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      Well, party politics in general isn't conducive to or accepting of open inquiry and debate.

  4. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    Democrats are the party of the [Na]tional So[zi]alists.
    They by written letter censored the sitting President of the USA.
    They compulsively ignore the US Constitution.

    There is a treasonous empire not only living amongst us but taking control of this nation right before everyone's eyes.

    Hitler didn't conquer Germany; He sold the [Na]tional So[zi]alist ideology to them. Exactly what Democrats are doing in the USA.

    The US Constitution must be the Supreme Law of the USA else the Nazi's will get control of it. The USA is a *Constitutional* Union of Republican States. It is NOT a Democratically established Nazi-Empire.

    1. Jeb Kerman   2 years ago

      Lincoln murdered the republic long ago.

      The US Union is a national socialist democracy and always was.

      The War on Drugs is the American version of Mao's Cultural Revolution. It completely upended the concepts of rule of law, supremacy of the Constitution and government by representation. It set the precedents for warrantless searches and armed raids on private property.

      The NAZIS are in control because we have failed to impose our Constitution since Lincoln.

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        Lincoln actually amended the Constitution instead of just "Democratically" voided by ignorance of it. I'd peg it on Wilson & FDR.

    2. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

      Your first right bracket “]” should have been after the “t.”

  5. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

    GFY Sullum, you’ve been cozying up and covering for the Stalinists for far too long

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      "Individual-freedom-loving" conservaturds LOVE to shit ALL OVER people for agreeing with their cause! THIS is how you "make friends and influence policy", right, right-wing asshole?

      Did you notice THIS part of the article, though?

      'The threats include antitrust action, increased liability for user-posted content, and other "legal and regulatory measures." '

      Threats of "increased liability for user-posted content" is one of the major "sticks" wielded by Government Almighty power (and punishment) pigs on BOTH SIDES!!! Section 230 stands between us and this shit!!! And USEFUL IDIOT conservaturds (but I repeat myself) AGREE! Tear DOWN S-230 so that we can pussy-grab the libs (make them cry), and they will NEVER-EVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back, for lack of S-230! The power-lusting, punishment-lusting assholes want to punish "Party A" for the writings of "Party B", because they are SOOOO power-hungry (and frankly, EVIL) that mere simple "justice" means NOTHING to them, compared to POWER-POWER-POWER!!!!!

      1. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

        I know this will go over your head, but maybe it's still worthwhile to third parties reading.

        The newfound agreement from Sullum and Reason staffers more generally strikes many of us as ingenuine. At this point, people have been complaining about censorship literally for months on end. Many of us tried to point out that what was going on was wrong. And libertarians, of all people, should be most bothered by it. The response from Team Reason was mostly indifference or excuses. Now, we're expected to be suddenly alarmed and upset simply because it's now happening to them? Well, no. Not unless Team Reason gives any of us reason (pardon the pun) to think they're now genuinely bothered by it as a matter of principle and will take a consistent view of it in the future (at least that's my standard). But, the very least of doing that is acknowledging that, in dismissing complaints about censorship, they were, in fact, taking the side of the censors. Because, if they can't come to terms with that, I'm more than a little skeptical that the outrage they muster on behalf of the Great and Noble Jacob Sullum will be extended to icky people like Alex Jones or random "election deniers".

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          Conservative outrage would be a LOT more credible if they didn't often back up people (blatant liars, willing, even, to lie IN COURT) like MANY Trump lawyers and like Alex Jones!

          https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/ (Yet another Powell article)

          https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
          Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory

          1. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

            And that's why so many of us dismiss you, SQRLSY. Ultimately, your support for free speech very much appears to be free speech as long as you agree with the speech. Plenty of people here have been over with you the fact that, say, Rachel Maddow has made essentially the same defense. But, for some reason, you don't see us demanding she be censored. Because you either believe in free speech or you don't.

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              "And that’s why so many of us dismiss you, SQRLSY."

              Because I am not of quite exactly the right tribe! 'Cause I'm not a Trump cultist! And Trump cultists defend the likes of Sidney Powell!! "Free speech" rights to LIE IN COURT!!!! Is this the hill you want to die on?

              1. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

                For that matter, you’re not exactly of the right mind…

              2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

                Members of the feminist cult, the BLM cult, the LGBT cult, (i.e. Identity-affiliation gang building) etc, etc, etc calling Trump supporters a 'cult'.... LOL...

                PROJECTION is all the left sells anymore.

            2. Sevo   2 years ago

              The spastic asshole believes in free speech, but....

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          2. B G   2 years ago

            Isn't that last story just a case of Powell attempting to use the same defense that was used successfully by FNC and MSNBC in defamation cases?

            Rachel Maddow's lawyers actually made the case that her use of the word "literally" before making the "defamatory" claims would indicate to any reader/listener that her intent was that those claims should not be taken as a statement of literal facts.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          "...Because, if they can’t come to terms with that, I’m more than a little skeptical that the outrage they muster on behalf of the Great and Noble Jacob Sullum will be extended to icky people like Alex Jones or random “election deniers”."

          Or the Jan 6 protestors.

      2. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        Section 230 is a get out of jail free card for big corporations. I thought you Libtards hated big corporations?

        Make up your mind.

  6. Boomer   2 years ago

    > Surgeon General Vivek Murthy said such measures might be necessary when he demanded a "whole-of-society" effort to combat the "urgent threat" posed by "health misinformation."

    Dear General Murthy, could fucking start with the "health misinformation" provided by our government regarding nutrition first please?

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      Yeah, government dietary advice has probably cause more health problems than any virus could. No one should believe a word these people say.

  7. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    Just for the record; like "assault rifle", the character strings 'disinformation', 'misinformation', and 'malinformation' are void of true meaning. they are just propaganda tools of the fascists to manipulate the people through the media for state control.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      There is no such thing as misinformation. There is only information and those too stupid or lazy to verify it.

      1. B G   2 years ago

        A lot of people don't have the access to verify/refute certain claims.

        A lot more don't have the logical skill set to do it even if they were handed the necessary information; much of the public education system in the USA has ensured that this is the case.

  8. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Last month, I noted that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had repeatedly exaggerated the scientific evidence supporting face mask mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Your hated commenters did this over 3 years ago.

  9. block30   2 years ago

    It was fucking demagoguery....when do the Nuremberg trials start?

  10. Brian   2 years ago (edited)

    The media are just propaganda arms of the government now, and the new “malinformation” label is just how they victim blame when you point it out.

  11. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

    ""The Crusade Against 'Malinformation' Explicitly Targets Inconvenient Truths""

    Feature not a bug. It's obvious that it's about controlling information.

    1. charliehall   2 years ago

      Yes medical information is controlled by the government. It is illegal for me to sell a cancer drug that hasn't been proven safe and effective. Every free country has such regulations.

      1. MK Ultra   2 years ago

        Fucking jackass.

  12. Sevo   2 years ago

    Hey, Sullum! Who'd you vote for, TDS-addled asshole?

    1. Truthteller1   2 years ago

      Sullum voted for Biden obviously.

  13. charliehall   2 years ago

    Speech about health matters has been regulated by the federal government since Theodore Roosevelt was President. By the arguments here, I could market a worthless non cure for cancer because of "First Amendment!!!" Junk science will win and lots of people will die. This isn't Reason this is Anarchy.

    1. MK Ultra   2 years ago

      Fucking jackass.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      "...This isn’t Reason this is Anarchy."

      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.

  14. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

    The Crusade Against 'Malinformation' Explicitly Targets Inconvenient Truths
    Give Reason some credit only 4 years into covid and 2 years into the Biden administration they are figuring censorship out. Though they do fail to name the perpetrators by name. I can help there though:
    China
    WHO
    CDC
    Fauci
    Birx
    Biden
    The FBI
    Anyone in the Biden Administration
    ABC
    CBS
    NBC
    CNN
    MSNBC
    WaPo
    HuffPo
    NY Times
    Democratic governors
    Twitter Execs
    Facebook Execs
    Well that is only a partial list, but I am running out of time!

  15. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

    You proudly stood with the censors for years so GFY with this half-hearted recognition of the evil you helped perpetuate. You only see a problem now that you ended up on the crosshairs.

  16. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men."

  17. Ronsch   2 years ago

    Anecdotal data was being spread over social media politicizing masks and vaccines with the result the Covid death toll of Republicans rose far greater than for Democrats who complied with wearing masks and getting vaccinated. The government was trying to save lives by asking social media to delete the misinformation that was killing people. Whatever you want to call it, they were trying to save lives. https://politicsofthelastage.blogspot.com/2022/12/update-on-covid19-mask-and-vaccine.html

    1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

      No, they weren't. This was about control. Studies have shown that masks were very ineffective. Why wasn't that promoted?

    2. JFree   2 years ago

      From one of the studies cited in your link, the main difference in partisan death rates occurred after 2020. And that study (the FL and OH one) specifically pointed to counties with both a low vax rate and party registration info for the deceased. That really makes it evidence that the mask mandates were kind of irrelevant. The vax politicizing otoh was deadly.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        "...The vax politicizing otoh was deadly..."

        You.
        Are.
        Full.
        Of.
        Shit.

  18. Think It Through   2 years ago

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - CS Lewis

  19. Liberty Lover   2 years ago (edited)

    Every dictator and dictator wannabe in history has called truths disinformation or lies. Dictators can’t allow the truth, because the truth is always a threat to their power. They start a Ministry of Truth or Disinformation Board to push their propaganda and lies as the truth and censor the truth as disinformation. Like Biden’s failed Disinformation Board. You see Biden and the Democrats are still dictatorship wannabes, they don’t have their total dictatorial power yet. But don’t think they won’t keep trying because of that one failure.

  20. block30   2 years ago

    R Mac....I agree. . Unfortunately. The dems know what's at stake and will spend themselves silly to lie steal and cheat their cronies out of prison.

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