Is the 'Climate Time-Bomb' Really Ticking Toward Imminent Catastrophe?
Climate change is a problem, but the IPCC AR6 Synthesis Report is wrong to suggest that humanity is on the brink of catastrophic warming.

"The climate time-bomb is ticking," declared United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres at the press conference on Monday launching the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) AR6 Synthesis Report. He called it "a survival guide for humanity." The report is supposed to be a comprehensive summary of the scientific, economic, and policy findings of six earlier IPCC climate reports.
The report provoked dire headlines. "World is on brink of catastrophic warming," warned The Washington Post. The New York Times proclaimed, "World Has Less Than a Decade to Stop Catastrophic Warming." And The Guardian starkly asserted, "Scientists deliver 'final warning' on climate crisis: act now or it's too late."
What is the supposed looming climate catastrophe? Exceeding the threshold in which global average temperature rises 1.5 degrees Celsius above the 1850-1900 baseline. That threshold was established in the 2015 Paris Climate Change Agreement, which aims to hold "the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels and pursuing efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels." In order to have a 50/50 chance of achieving that goal, the new report calculates humanity must cut its greenhouse gas emissions (chiefly carbon dioxide) basically in half by 2030. Secretary-General Guterres asserted that the report shows that "the 1.5-degree limit is achievable."
Will humanity inevitably suffer a catastrophic fall if we go over the supposed 1.5 degrees Celsius climatic cliff in 2030? No, argues University of Cambridge climate researcher Mike Hulme in his October 2019 editorial introducing a special issue of the journal WIREs Climate Change devoted to the question, "Is it too late (to stop dangerous climate change)?"
Hulme notes, "There is a long history of climate deadlines being set publicly by commentators, politicians and campaigners…and then of those deadlines passing with the threat unrealized." As an example, he cites Secretary-General Guterres' September 2018 assertion, "If we do not change course by 2020, we risk missing the point where we can avoid runaway climate change, with disastrous consequences for people and all the natural systems that sustain us."
Hulme pointedly observes that "deadline-ism" as embodied in such claims "does not do justice to what we know scientifically about climate change." Climate change prediction science reports "a range of possible values for future global warming. It is as false scientifically to say that the climate future will be catastrophic as it is to say with certainty that it will be merely lukewarm." He adds, "Neither is there a cliff edge to fall over in 2030 or at 1.5°C of warming."
It is the case that the world's average temperature is about 1.1 degrees Celsius higher than it was between 1850 and 1900. The bulk of that temperature increase largely stems from burning fossil fuels that have loaded up the atmosphere with extra heat-trapping carbon dioxide. Atmospheric carbon dioxide stood at about 285 parts per million around 1850, rising to about 316 ppm by 1958 and is now at 420 ppm.
The report states that the evidence has "strengthened" that man-made global warming is responsible for observed changes in extremes such as heat waves, heavy precipitation, droughts, and tropical cyclones. Recent studies do show that the intensity, frequency, and duration of heat waves have increased since the 1950s and that the frequency of heavy rainfall events has also risen. On the other hand, clear evidence for changes in global trends in meteorological drought is lacking and global tropical cyclone accumulated energy (a measure of the combined duration and strength of tropical cyclones) is not increasing.
"Risks and projected adverse impacts and related losses and damages from climate change will escalate with every increment of global warming (very high confidence). They are higher for global warming of 1.5°C than at present, and even higher at 2°C (high confidence)," states the report. "Deep, rapid, and sustained mitigation and accelerated implementation of adaptation actions in this decade would reduce future losses and damages related to climate change for humans and ecosystems (very high confidence)." Deep, rapid, and sustained mitigation means cutting global greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2030.
Interestingly, the report does not put a dollar figure on the losses that are projected to result from unmitigated climate change. Perhaps, as the report asserts, that is because "cost-benefit analysis remains limited in its ability to represent all avoided damages from climate change (high confidence)." Still, the report does note, "Even without accounting for all the benefits of avoiding potential damages the global economic and social benefit of limiting global warming to 2°C exceeds the cost of mitigation in most of the assessed literature (medium confidence)." A discreet footnote observes, "The evidence is too limited to make a similar robust conclusion for limiting warming to 1.5°C." So the costs of trying to keep temperatures from increasing by 1.5 degrees Celsius might be greater than the benefits?
While the researchers associated with the IPCC are reluctant to explicitly calculate the costs and benefits of deep, rapid, and sustained mitigation, other analysts have not been. University of Sussex economist Richard S.J. Tol has spent most of his career working on the economics of climate change. He finds in his most recent study, Costs and Benefits of the Paris Climate Targets, that the costs of implementing climate policies that aim to keep average global temperature by 2100 below the two Paris threshold temperatures of 2.0 and 1.5 degrees Celsius would respectively cost 3.8 to 5.6 percent of global GDP. In comparison, the benefits of climate policy would amount to 2.8 to 3.2 percent of GDP.* The upshot is that the costs outweigh the benefits of steeply cutting greenhouse gas emissions in order to keep average temperatures below the Paris Agreement thresholds.
Let's make these numbers more concrete. Without climate change and assuming that the world's GDP of $107 trillion grows at a relatively modest rate of 2 percent annually for the next 77 years, world GDP would be nearly $500 trillion by 2100. Average incomes then for the world's 9 billion inhabitants would be around $55,000 per capita. (Current GDP per capita is just over $12,000.) Implementing policies to keep temperatures below 2 degrees Celsius would cut global GDP in 2100 to $472 trillion ($52,400 per capita). In contrast, allowing global temperatures to rise would reduce global GDP to $484 trillion ($53,800 per capita). If Tol is right, the costs of mitigating climate change would make people a bit poorer than they would otherwise have been.
In another 2022 analysis of 61 estimates, from 33 studies, of the total economic impact of climate change, Tol reports that "a global warming of 2.5°C would make the average person feel as if she had lost 1.7% of her income."
So how much warming is likely to occur? University of Colorado climate change policy researcher Roger Pielke Jr. and his colleagues conclude in their 2022 Environmental Research Letters study that IPCC's worst-case scenarios are highly implausible. Consequently, the good news is that global average temperature by 2100 is likely to be between 2 and 3 degrees Celsius higher than the 1850-1900 baseline with a median estimate of 2.2 degrees Celsius. That is only slightly higher than the Paris Agreement's 2.0 degree Celsius threshold.
These calculations and projections do not suggest that humanity has "less than a decade to stop catastrophic warming."
*Keep firmly in mind that both the IPCC and Tol are combining estimates from climate models and economic models to make projections about the state of the world 77 years from now. That would be like people living in 1946 predicting the state of the world we live in now.
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"The climate time-bomb is ticking," declared United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres at the press conference on Monday launching the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) AR6 Synthesis Report.
JFC, *I* feel like a Boomer repeating the meme "modern bombs don't tick". Leave your exposition on the answering machine next time Mr. Guterres.
They had to add artificial ticking so pedestrians could hear them coming.
How does a man earn the right to pollute the earth more than another?
If every man has the same carbon footprint, there is no advantage to great wealth.
What do the wealthy have to say about climate change now?
They say it won’t affect them because the rest of the world will have to do all the reduction in greenhouse gases.
That’s why all “climate plans” involve raising prices.
To make the rich who can afford any behaviour even richer and force the rest of us back to the Stone Age.
Consider the carbon footprint associated with recreational space travel.
What is the entire carbon footprint associated with one launch?
Not merely the direct carbon emissions from the burning of fuel, but the emissions associated with every human activity dedicated to every detail supporting the launch.
The carbon from every detail of every employee involved in every stage of every process, right down to the janitor at a parts facility.
All that human activity for the shits and giggles of the wealthy.
That’s just SpaceX. Now consider the “lifestyles of the rich and famous”.
Fuck off and die, Nazi scum.
The wars over general.
It’s time for your medication.
Fuck off and die, Nazi scum.
Well, approximately 3 years back AOC said that she will die in 12 years unless we do something about climate. You wouldn't want to kill AOC, now would you?
We have to get complete global control before the peasants catch on to us!
Do you think that was what was going on in Arrhenius's mind when he came up with the original GW hypothesis?
The chemist?
Yes, the chemist.
Nice strawman. irrelevant whether he was thinking that or not.
The question should be: Do some major climate alarmists have this thought in mind? hint: the answer is yes
No hint needed. I am sure the answer is yes. There are left-wing authoritarians just as there are right-wing authoritarians and there will always be people taking adavantge of any situation to attempt to impose their views. But I don't pay attention to activists on either side. I read the research or secondary sources that accurately summarise the research.
What I do find is that many denialists are unable even to formulate the basis by which the GW hypothesis was advanced in the first place. If you ask them, they tend to mention Gore or Greta, or that this or that prediction didn't come true (invariably cherry-picking) rather than mention the simple scientific steps.
What I find is that when you read something about using climate change as a means to global control, you assume I'm a denialist.
I have no interest in global control and none of the scientists I: know, including one actually involved with the IPCC, have any such interest either. If someone is interested in global control, they tend not to go into the sciences in the first place. They'll go into politics, or business, or perhaps if they can't do well there, settle for joining the police.
I have no interest in global control and none of the scientists I: know, including one actually involved with the IPCC, have any such interest either.
Nobody starts their 5-year plan with "Let's throw everybody in the gulags." they start out with "If we all adopt this same set of social practices and guidelines, it will make us all better off." and then progressively get more broad and more strict about the guidelines.
Crusaders, Inquisitors, and even many lay Catholics and Christians believed they were just doing the right and knowledgeable/noble thing.
"I have no interest in global control and none of the scientists I: know, including one actually involved with the IPCC, have any such interest either."
Anecdote and has to be taken on rep; your's stinks.
"If someone is interested in global control, they tend not to go into the sciences in the first place. They’ll go into politics, or business, or perhaps if they can’t do well there, settle for joining the police."
Assertion from someone already shown to be unreliable.
You can show that you're not one of the many denialists I criticised by laying out the GW hypothesis yourself. It doesn't matter whether you agree, of course.
There is no such thing as "The GW Hypothesis."
The mean temperature of the planet goes up and down. There are many competing theories as to why that happens. In recent decades it seems to have been trending up. Again, there are many competing theories about why that happens, including various different mechanisms by which humans may contribute.
You seem to be applying the usual test by which people who fail to articulate your specific theory are to be dismissed from the conversation as denialists.
Last decade is a slight down trend actually.
But over the last 21000 years the trend is up broke troughs. Some climbs. As happens in every integlacial period.
This winter in Arizona gives no hints of climate warming.
CA, also. Shit - it's officially Spring and the high today was about 48. Should be in the 70s by this time. The last two summers were downright cold, as well.
Last decade is a slight down trend actually.
I didn't want to get into the weeds on whose data says what about the last 10 (and really 20-25) years, so I thought I'd just let him have that one.
good answer - and circle gets the square
"You can show that you’re not one of the many denialists I criticised by laying out the GW hypothesis yourself..."
Is this noted by chapter and verse? King James version?
Blessed are the Greek as they will inherit the Earth!
Blessed are the cheese makers , for they will be called the Children of God!
That is no question. The climate change alarmism is a power grab, plain and simple. That is why true blue climate activists are dead against the nuclear power which is the only available option for lowering the amount of emitted CO2. Wind and solar are fables with the goal to force us to "change our behavior". That includes driving less, not eating burgers, flying less and stop doing anything we do to have fun. Climate alarmists are trying to establish a green theocracy or, if that fails, socialism.
Depending on what you mean by "original GW hypothesis", Svante didn't come up with it. Fourier was the first to recognize that radiative energy was trapped by black body objects and their atmospheres. Tyndall was the first to prove that separate trace gas components trap EM energy disparately. Svante was the first to set up a model for CO2, but his model was distinctly different from current models. His funding was to investigate and (conceptually) prevent ice ages. He pretty flatly states that CO2 levels at 2-3X level (then, closer to 1.5-2X now) would be beneficial and even passively suggested that burning fossil fuels strictly as an end to drive AGW was not unreasonable. Further, at the time, there was a conception that natural sources of CO2 were what drove ice ages and that man made CO2 could combat them. Svante was the first to hypothesize AGW, but his hypothesis was very, very different, scientifically, from what's advocated today.
As far as "people who want to control the globe don't go into science", he would stand as an example of your ignorance.
Disappearing when the question gets answered? Is SRG another jeffy sockpuppet? Its answers are too coherent to be White Mike.
I brought this issue up several times in the past 10 or so years, the people who conceptualized it as "Greenhouse Gas" don't know their own literature.
Where have you been for the last 200 years?
In 1896, Arrhenius was thinking about what a fine job Tyndall did in 1859 of practically demonstrating the absorption of heat by CO2 and hydrocarbons in the air, as Fourier proposed theoretically in 1827.
You will never ever die from "climate change" but the people trying to address it might kill you.
Hope this helps.
You will never ever die from “climate change”
Deaths from heatstroke owing to abnormally high temperatures may be attributable to climate change. Deaths from floods owing to sea level rises or cyclones, ditto.
So on what basis do you make your assertion?
the whole fucking thing, even your examples that didn't happen, are bullshit. basis.
So any extreme heat events cannot possibly have been caused by GW and even if they had been. no-one died from heatstroke.
Cite?
More people die from the cold and lack of electricity than die of heat stroke. Try harder dumbass.
So any extreme heat events cannot possibly have been caused by GW
It's amazing how often people who supposedly follow the science have to be reminded of this, but GW does not involve the hot parts of the world getting hotter. It involves the cold parts of the world getting less cold.
This
I don't need to be reminded, thanks. It involves an overall warming. Some hot places will get hotter, some cold places will get hotter, and indeed, some places will get colder. And some places probably will experience no change at all. It's a global average, not applicable everywhere - though some people will take the absence of warming in some small but psychologically important part of the glove as evidence that there's no warming at all.
But as the article above noted, extreme heatwaves will get more common.
It involves an overall warming.
No, it doesn't. It involves increasing global mean temperature.
The mean temperatures in the tropics don't fluctuate, really, even over the course of eons.
What does change, wildly, is the mean temperature at the poles. This is what drives changes in global mean temperature.
extreme heatwaves will get more common
I don't care how many times this mantra gets repeated. There is no evidence for it and there never has been, except if you define "extreme heat wave" as "Sweden hitting 70 in November."
If you believe extreme heat waves are literally killing more people and you have science to back this up, let's hear some numbers. How many more people died in the last ten years due to extreme heat than the preceding ten years?
For shrike.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160310080530.htm
You "understand it" and then butcher it again. Lol.
"I don’t need to be reminded, thanks..."
Given that you're an obnoxiously arrogant and often wrong piece of shit, I'd say you need to be reminded quite often.
Regardless of what anyone believes, Super cutie create their own LOCAL weather systems including thunderstorms etc. As long as the LEFT allow supercities to exist then any argument they make is FRUADULENT.
The history of the alarmists in this industry (that is what they made of it), started out telling us there was an ICE AGE coming and that North America would be covered in ice hundreds of feet deep.
When the INDUSTRY got no traction they changed to GLOBAL WARMING. When Science began to DEBUNK GW they restated to CLIMATE CHANGE. It is an INDUSTRY in itself and not base don Science or fact. If it was then EVERY POLITICIAN and PERSON involved would be demanding that the RAIN FORESTS be left standing and expanded as well.
That is the easiest answer to all their attempts to control everyone. Just rebuild the rain forests and stop cutting them down. Done deal
"So any extreme heat events cannot possibly have been caused by GW and even if they had been. no-one died from heatstroke.
Cite?"
You are not only an obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit, but totally unfamiliar with the concept of "proving a negative".
YOU, you steaming pile of shit, prove those did happen, or STFU.
Hypothetical situations make poor evidence as a general rule.
Those deaths are a tiny fraction of what they used to be, idiot. Thanks to the Industrial Revolution and capitalism and whatnot
Those deaths are a tiny fraction of what they used to be, idiot.
Not the point, you stupid cunt. Woodshitter made a specific assertion concerning deaths from climate change. He did not say that the deaths (of life expectancy) before the industrial revolution and capitalism more broadly meant that on balance even if people died from climate change causes it would be worth it - which isn't necessarily wrong though it is highly limited - he made the blanket claim of no deaths period.
Cite a single example tied directly to global warming.
People died of the elements prior to 1800s retard.
Cite a single example tied directly to global warming.
Ah, the old trick, "if you can't point to this specific person your argument is wrong", rather than looking at statistical outcomes. Does anyone die from heatstroke? Yes. Are more heatwaves being attributed to global warming? Yes. Even you should be able to see the logic.
People died of the elements prior to 1800s retard.
Yes they did, you tertiary syphilitic fuckwit. But that's still not the point. The original claim that no-one will die was what I challenged. I don't know why you inbred crackers have such a problem with comprehension - unless of course it's the inbreeding, like redneck Habsburgs
Such a
compellingtoxic argument.You provide zero evidence and butcher the science above. Cite a single death tied directly to global warming.
No, that arrogant asshole wants you to prove they didn't happen, because his beliefs are being challenged!
Sumbitch is as stupid as turd.
No offense, but with the success of GW models so far, assumptions of the future are not something that GW has in its favor.
So if, as you acknowledge, overall deaths from extreme heat are down, what is your basis for asserting that GW is causing more deaths from extreme heat?
So if, as you acknowledge, overall deaths from extreme heat are down, what is your basis for asserting that GW is causing more deaths from extreme heat?
I never said that. I said "Deaths from heatstroke owing to abnormally high temperatures may be attributable to climate change."
What is your basis for lying about what I said?
I simply challenged Woodshitter's claim that no-one will die of climate change.
I said “Deaths from heatstroke owing to abnormally high temperatures may be attributable to climate change.”
What is your basis for lying about what I said?
Allow me to answer a question with a question that may clarify:
Why even bring up hypothetical deaths due to a phenomenon that isn't happening and has no likely prospect of happening, i.e. an increase in extreme heat waves?
a phenomenon that isn’t happening and has no likely prospect of happening, i.e. an increase in extreme heat waves?
That's not what the research shows.
That’s not what the research shows.
It is, actually, exactly what the research shows. There are folks who hypothesize that extreme heat waves may get more common, just as there are folks who hypothesize that storms will get stronger, but the empirical evidence has contradicted both of these hypotheses at every turn.
The report states that the evidence has "strengthened" that man-made global warming is responsible for observed changes in extremes such as heat waves, heavy precipitation, droughts, and tropical cyclones. Recent studies do show that the intensity, frequency, and duration of heat waves have increased since the 1950s
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16970-7
Moreover, trend magnitudes are not globally uniform, and are highest over regions known to experience disproportionately more adverse impacts of climate change
etc.
Or
https://www.ametsoc.org/ams/index.cfm/publications/bulletin-of-the-american-meteorological-society-bams/explaining-extreme-events-from-a-climate-perspective/
Linking to papers on point
Any recent research from you? Or just assertions?
Linking to papers on point
Not really.
Your second link, in particular, doesn't have anything to do with your argument - it takes a list of 'extreme weather events' and attempts to shoehorn them into the AGW narrative. It says this expressly in its introduction.
Your first link is a study I've seen before, very popular with the alarmists, but note that it takes as it's basis this paper, which actually redefines the term "heat wave" expressly because "definitions and measurements of heat waves are ambiguous and inconsistent."
It therefore posits an 'objective' criterion by which a heat wave is any time the temperature is above 'normal' anywhere in the world at any season for at least three days.
It then uses a short-term study of Australia and declares it to be applicable to the whole planet.
In fact, it was this exact study I was thinking of when I said "There is no evidence for it and there never has been, except if you define 'extreme heat wave' as 'Sweden hitting 70 in November.'"
Which brings us back to, why are we framing something which has negatively impacted no one as an imminent catastrophe?
Any recent research from you? Or just assertions?
It's the person making the extraordinary claim that needs to back it up. No study has ever shown summer highs to be getting higher in any significant way, certainly not in any lethal way, yet here you are predicting near term death and destruction.
Why?
Personally, if I were going to argue for 'deaths caused by climate change' I'd go with deaths from extreme cold due to the polar vortex being out of whack.
Reminder. Shrike doesn't read his own links. Just headlines.
When it's cold, it's just weather. When it's hot, it's climate change!
When do we get to dismiss anecdotes as mere weather fluctuations and when do we have to assume it's a sign of the apocalypse?
"When it’s cold, it’s just weather. When it’s hot, it’s climate change!"
Its much more retarded, and closer to the level of "God does everything, everywhere, all the time".
As a recent example, we had a big freeze this winter. Not terrible, just some southern states had to deal with a freeze and some frost for *gasp* a little over a week.
I cant tell you how many people attributed it to climate change. Climate change...responsible for...it being kind of a little bit colder in the winter time. Frost in December/January!!!
You cant make this shit up. They are getting more retarded and inconsistent as the days go on, showing they are nothing more than a new age cult. Everything is 'the climate change', even shit that is normal variance for a season, apparently.
As if the southern states have never had freezes prior to this year.
They've been using both as examples of climate change. Heat or cold is blamed. Storms or droughts are attributed. The evidence pointing to hurricanes probably being less intense in a warming climate is thrown out the window as soon as one hits. They will always claim storms are worse due to the monetary damage caused by them while ignoring the population increase in effected areas and rising value of property.
I can agree that we have been in a generally warming climate for a while. That is just about as far as the global warming consensus runs
Is there a single policy or stance that you dont fall on the left narrative side of?
Science has neither left nor right.
Do you think that the theory of evolution is a left/right thing? How about heliocentricity?
The GW hypothesis is a scientific hypothesis backed by evidence. How some right-wingers have denied either the basis for the hypothesis or the evidence is a matter for psychologists, but it’s not inherently a political position, just as “disgust” is not a political thing even as right-wingers are more prone to that emotion than left-wingers.
Now where there might be political differences concern the most effective measures to prevent GW. A right-winger might think that a market-based approach, as far as possible, would be the best way to go, while a left-winger would think that some centralised or regulatory approach would be better. But whether it’s happening, that’s not politics. That’s just about people who also hold a set of political beliefs (and are quite likely projecting as well).
As long as you assign left/right categories on the basis of who might hold a particular opinion on a factual matter, rather than on the actual politics of left and right, you’ll continue to fuck up your argument.
I’ll give you a non-climate example.
Suppose a group called “Conservatives for the Constitution” on their website claim the following as conservative ideas:
* Support for the constitutional rights of US citizens
* Exercising those constitutional rights as citizens
* Suspicion or scepticism of government in general and the Federal government in particular
* Deference to states’ management of state issues
* Belief that constitutional rights must remain in force even and especially during times of adversity.
These are all fairly unremarkable principles that conservatives would be happy to espouse – and in fact commonly do espouse – both here and in the real world.
And now suppose that this group expressed the view that US citizens who happened to be black were having their 5th and 14th amendment rights violated disproportionately and wrongly and they went and protested as a result.
Would the right-wingers and conservatives here and elsewhere still regard this group as “true” conservatives?
Not a chance.
"...And now suppose that this group expressed the view that US citizens who happened to be black were having their 5th and 14th amendment rights violated disproportionately and wrongly and they went and protested as a result.
Would the right-wingers and conservatives here and elsewhere still regard this group as “true” conservatives?
Not a chance."
And now we have yet one more SRG strawman.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Youre citing a religion, not science.
Do you even know the basics? Assuming perfect absorption what is the heating effect of doubling carbon? You can also assume a fixed atmospheric volume.
Once you answer this move onto why models predict a warming 3x greater than this number as their average.
Once you explain that explain why models utilize different parameters for things such as air particulates to temp fit historical records into the models. Once you realize that as why they have consistently overpredicted warming by a factor of 2.
When you start to get curious again ask why various climate groups are altering historical records to match model hindcast predictions often lowering past temperatures from the activity.
I mean do you want to discuss the actual science? Or how model validation occurs? Which subject.
Explain to me how any group is not receiving equal treatment under the law. The explain to me what you propose to do to make things right. If your explanation is convincing, and your solution is fair, I might join your tribe.
I don't give a crap about being labeled as a conservative, libertarian, liberal, or any other descriptor, although I do recognize that these labels are simply short hand to describe inclinations.
Lol. Race and climate virtue signaling is so interchangeable.
Bravo.
Actually, it isn’t supported by evidence. What they have are computer models of the Earth’s climate that invariably run hot - over predicting how much the Earth is heating up. Last time around, they definitively showed AGW by averaging together a bunch of models, that all ran hot.
That’s the problem. The models aren’t accurate. There really has been little warming if any, the last decade or two. Some of the warming we have seen was NOAA rejiggering the numbers. Looking at the same point over the last couple decades, and the temperature just hasn’t gone up much, if any. The models don’t work because the Earth’s climate is too complex to accurately model. Yes, on a small scale, rising CO2 causes some warming. But the Earth’s climate is far more complex than that, and the effects of water, in all of its forms, is far more significant than CO2 in terms of global temperature. We have different types of clouds, at different altitudes. We have deep ocean currents of different temperatures of water. El Niño/La Niña. Etc. The models guess at the different feedback effects, some positive, and some negative. And, as I said before, they mostly overestimate global warming.
The GW hypothesis is in fact a scientific hypothesis. It is not, however, "backed by evidence". Except in the most simplistic of circumstances, the evidence contradicts the predictions generated by the hypothesis at every turn.
I'll sell them an A/C and a sump pump?
Actually, no. There are far fewer climate related deaths now than ever before and primarily because of cheap, abundant fossil fuels.
The report that Ron Bailey is referring to is almost certainly the "Summary for Policy Makers" which usually is released months before the technical report. That report often does not assert the same ideas or level of certainty that the policy makers report claims.
To be fair, I haven't read any of these reports for years because, frankly, they suck. Some of the technical reports were interesting, but the policy maker stuff was pure crap.
"Deaths from heatstroke owing to abnormally high temperatures may be attributable to climate change. Deaths from floods owing to sea level rises or cyclones, ditto."
Yes, they would.
If we ever had any, you arrogant, obnoxious piece of shit.
So on what basis do you make your assertion?
Directly observable proximate causes, like virtually all other scientists.
Edit: "A butterfly flapping its wings in Tokyo killed them!" - SRG
Not even the ardent chaos theorists were so retarded.
I’m sure that extra 1/4” is really causing massive spikes in flooding deaths.
Until temperatures reach 140 F, you will not die of heatstroke from "climate change". Heatstroke doesn't actually kill you from the heat, it's a dehydration problem. Properly hydrated, humans can survive for near indefinite periods at temperatures far, far higher than even the most extreme "climate change" projections. People die of heatstroke primarily because they move from temperate to hot conditions without giving time for their bodies and hydration habits to adapt. But that only takes about two weeks. And any change on that time scale is weather, not climate.
Likewise, sea level is rising at a rate measured in millimeters per year. (And has been raising at about that same rate since before the human-induced increases in CO2 but let's ignore that for the moment.) If someone chooses to live in a flood-prone area, a few millimeters is not going to significantly change that risk. If you manage to die from the flood, it's pretty much your own fault.
We are warning you of the final warning for the final time, until the next time, when we will be back with a fresh pile of bullshit pronouncements
And when the irrefutable, science backed, irrevocable deadline for catastrophe is reached with no negative consequences, our scientists will surely determine a new future unchallengeable deadline.
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We are on the brink of catastrophic government intervention.
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I wish this death cult had a comet to catch.
"Climate change is a problem, but the IPCC AR6 Synthesis Report is wrong to suggest that humanity is on the brink of catastrophic warming."
No, there isn't any wolf; it's a small dog and if it gets into the garbage, it'll make a mess.
It's that sort of a problem.
Are we on the brink of climate catastrophe? I don't know, just as the Neanderthals didn't know. What I do know, though, is that no amount of caterwauling from my betters, and no amount of plans to make my existence miserable will make a damn bit of difference about the impending climate change.
The UN is the only organization with less credibility than the CDC.
The earth can take care of itself, and knows better than we what is correct.
There is no way redistribution of wealth will heat or cool the planet; the the global climate warming change cult cannot have a viable plan to "fix" the earth.
The UN is the only organization with less credibility than the CDC.
Between the UN, NATO, the CDC, the WHO it's a pretty tight race to the bottom. The IPCC looked like the odds-on favorite early in the race, with NATO in second, but the CDC and WHO have certainly demonstrated they've got the kick necessary if it comes down to the wire.
NYT would like a word with you...
Yeah, I was sticking to 'Scientistic Governance' organizations. If we just go by uncategorized credibility dumps the horse race turns into more of a rugby scrum.
As a former rugger and scrummy, I feeelz microaggressed when you compare me to those.
Why is 1850 the starting point? Climate cycles run in 120,000 year cycles. The last great ice age ended12,000 years ago, and we’ve had steady warming since, on a slope that’s parallel to 120,000 years ago. in 5-10,000 years, we’ll enter the next Ice age.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/quaternary
We’re still technically in an ice age because there’s ice on the polar caps.
The catastrophists have been demanding control of the economy over this issue since the late '80s; >30 years.
In that time, not one of the specific predictions have proven accurate. Not ONE!
What do you call a "science" which has no proven ability in prediction but has a self-selected group of 'leaders' claiming there will be a rapture unless we bend to their 'revealed' knowledge?
Well, let's just say SRG is getting fitted with for the raiments...
Faucism?
No, the catastrophe is a little longer range, like a few decades. But we're heading there.
True bleever right here.
Sevo. you are a "true believer" in the opposite. So what's your point?
"Sevo. you are a “true believer” in the opposite."
Are you familiar with the word "bullshit"?
Up yours, slaver.
BTW, bleever, read this again:
The catastrophists have been demanding control of the economy over this issue since the late ’80s; >30 years.
In that time, not one of the specific predictions have proven accurate. Not ONE!
What do you call a “science” which has no proven ability in prediction but has a self-selected group of ‘leaders’ claiming there will be a rapture unless we bend to their ‘revealed’ knowledge?
Until you provide such evidence, regardless of the mewling, up yours, slaver.
Dude... That time-bomb went of in the ice-age of 1980 or 81 or I mean 82 maybe 83 certainly 84 wait,wait,wait it'll be dust-bowl I mean in 85 well I meant 86 certainly in 87 wait,wait,wait it'll be global ya know global warming in 88 or 89 most definitely 1990 or I mean 1991 maybe 92 certainly in 93 end of the world in 1994 wait, wait, wait it'll be um,um,um,um WELL SH*T! The weather will change in 1995 and it'll be a disaster or I mean 96 maybe 97 but definitely by 98 by 99 all food will be gone or wait,wait, wait I mean a computer will kill the world in 2000 but well guess not the weather is still changing in 2001 it'll end mankind by 2002 by 2003 it'll do something? Only weather gods can fix something in 2004 but then in 2005 ***DIESEL*** ya, DIESEL will kill the planet!!!! in 2006 by 2007 we won't be able to see the sky because of ***DIESEL***!!!! In 2008..............
OMG; I'm tired of typing all the BS....
Don't you follow the "Only Gov-Gods packing Guns against the citizens can change the weather" religion??
Anyone here remember Climategate and hide the decline?
Which was a bunch of tree ring counters (paleoclimitologists) splicing their tree ring data to the more modern actual climate data in such a way that it made it look like we had runaway global warming, and then failing to properly clarify and explain exactly what they had done. And a good part of it was based on the erroneous work of one (then) post grad student (Michal Mann) whose bad statistical practices generated his notorious “hockey stick”, showing a recent trend towards a lot more global warming.
Just as bad, was the discovery that the “gold standard” global climate database was junk. They were adjusting the other two land based, and the two satellite based, global databases to correspond to their HadleyCRUT database, out of East Anglia (UK). The problem was that it was generated with buggy, unmaintainable code, that couldn’t be fixed (they tried). It did a lot of unexplained stuff to the data, and some of the stuff the comments said it did, it didn’t. The same paleoclimitologists who couldn’t do statistics very well, were even worse at programming. And their earlier results couldn’t be duplicated, because the original raw data had been inadvertently lost in previous moves. Besides, they didn’t want to release their original data, because the believed that it might be used against them.
Also interesting how this same cabal of warmist scientists was abusing the peer review process to get their desired results. They would peer review each other’s papers, and force journals to not publish papers coming to contradicting results. They had, by that time, also gained control over the IPCC process, which they appear to continue to have to this date – despite the revelations of their shenanigans in ClimateGate.
Interestingly, Fauci and his cabal at the NIH, seem to have read their ClimateGate playbook on controlling the peer review process, and implemented it to enforce their COVID-19 narratives. It’s fallen apart faster at least partially because Fauci, etc, had less ability to control the published research through allocation of research funding. In the AGW realm, most of the research money is still government funding, and that funding is still heavily dependent upon getting politically correct results.
They had, by that time, also gained control over the IPCC process, which they appear to continue to have to this date – despite the revelations of their shenanigans in ClimateGate.
While most of what you say here is largely accurate, I think this reads it a little backwards - I don't think the IPCC actually has much interest in these scientists beyond the data that they produce that can be used to serve the ends of certain folks at the UN. Most of what you're describing is good old-fashioned academic politics in a field that happened to turn out to be useful for politics-politics.
Michael Mann himself, even, came out about six or seven years ago now and complained about the US left in particular politicizing climate change to a degree that was going to threaten his research funding by inspiring a backlash. No one listened to him, of course, because listening to the scientists has never been what this has been about.
I agree. The IPCC research seems just there to provide cover for the demands of the 2nd and 3rd world to loot the 1st world. We have to cut our CO2 emissions (despite its greening effects), while China is allowed to build a new coal fired plant a week. Because Equity. Which, of course, is code for looting.
Once again, Climate Change4™ is used as an excuse to inconvenience normal people.
My longtime Usenet ally, Christopher Charles Morton, posted all the data we need about climate change.
https://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=380576&p=4522430#post4522430
Is it any wonder he greatly influenced my own political views for twenty-five years?
The administrator has banned my IP address... What did I do?!
The site has some issues.
Chris was one of the most loyal Americans in history.
"Keep firmly in mind that both the IPCC and Tol are combining estimates from climate models and economic models to make projections about the state of the world 77 years from now. That would be like people living in 1946 predicting the state of the world we live in now."
That is the real problem with Malthusians of all stripes: they don't have a crystal ball. Well, actually, they THINK they have one, but in actuality, it's opaque.
Black, opaque, and only replies "Outlook Not So Good" and "Reply Hazy, Try Again."
All we can do is do the best we can do. What's the alternative? You are saying people should go on smoking cigarettes until the day it's CERTAIN they have cancer? Because no one can predict what will happen for SURE?
"You are saying people should go on smoking cigarettes until the day it’s CERTAIN they have cancer?"
Are you familiar with the phrase “false equivalence”?
Up yours, slaver.
Its bullshit. Follow the money.
So what exactly will happen once the threshold is crossed? Will Rachel Carson appear and lift all the true AGW believers up to heaven? Greta will be first in line…
Every time I ask a climate change catastrophist what it is exactly they want to see happen, what they envision as the ideal climate situation, they can't tell me.
I'll ask, "Do you want every place to be temperate like Florida?" No, they say, that's silly. Is it really? Okay, then, let's take the northern climates: how "northern" should they be? How snowy and cold? How about the desert Southwest, how dry and warm should it be? And let's not forget the tropics, how wet and rainy? How many tornados a year are acceptable, and how strong should they be? Nothing above an F4? F3? How about tsunamis and hurricanes? How many of those are acceptable? Wildfires? Should they only occur where no one happens to have a million-dollar home clinging to a hillside?
By that point, they're near apoplectic, but they still can't tell me what, exactly, they want.
So your argument is to bet our lives (more importantly our kid's lives, and their kids, etc), on a small minority of fossil-fuel-funded "scientists"? Instead of the other 90-some percent?
Of COURSE it's always good to be skeptical, but at some point you have to pick a side/direction. Only idiots, the fossil-fuel industry, and/or those who stir up controversy about the (false) "debate" on climate change to make money blogging, "believe" we can go on adding more and more carbon to the atmosphere with no ill-effects.
"So your argument is to bet our lives (more importantly our kid’s lives, and their kids, etc), on a small minority of fossil-fuel-funded “scientists”? Instead of the other 90-some percent?"
Are you familiar with the phrase "poisoning the well"?
Up yours, slaver.
Maybe if you lying cunts had been correct in even one scientific prediction you might have a point.
So you'd rather endanger your children's mental health by scaring the shit out of them by catastrophizing something over which we have very little control and even less understanding—and which in all likelihood is based on gross oversimplifications and misinterpretations—to leave them a planet in which all formerly wild spaces have now been turned into ineffectual solar and wind farms, decimating wildlife and natural habitat, and to ensure that people in developing countries are thrown even further back into the dark ages?
How is it that climate change knows to only have effects that are negative for humans? It causes droughts in dry areas, and floods in wet areas? Always? Never a little more rain where it used to be dry, or a little less rain areas prone to flooding? And the warmer temperatures never help crops grow, not even just a little?
Actually, the increase in CO2 is having a nice effect - the earth is greening. For example, parts of the Sahara Desert are turning green, for the first time in centuries, if not millennia. One estimate I saw was 15% more plant matter in the last 1/4 century.
You will o̶w̶n̶ have nothing and be happy.
Can't we be just like Al Gore and plant a few trees and declare ourselves carbon neutral?
Translation:
Wealthy Globetrotters who travel by private jet and berth in five-star hotels have low cashflow. Need more international government money to "solve" climate change.
I’d still like the scientists to tell us how high the sea level and temperature would get during this interglacial period if humans had never emitted anything into the atmoshere. If humans were not influencing the climate, what are their predictions?
On the bright side, the media doesn’t have to write any new headlines, they can just recycle the scores of other previous gloom and doom headlines that never came true either.
I do not accept (and you shouldn’t either) the assumption that global warming is anthropogenic, due to accumulation in the atmosphere of carbon dioxide released by fossil fuel energy generation since the beginning of the industrial revolution. For one thing, many scientific studies demonstrate that atmospheric carbon dioxide levels FOLLOW global warming instead of LEADING it. Cause and effect are tricky things that require many assumptions not already in evidence. For another thing, setting the baseline for average global temperature at 1850 is arbitrary and ignores the significant changes both up and down around the pretended “trend line.” Cherry-picking a point in time when estimates were lower than the trend line and comparing them to a point in time when more accurate data is already known to be above the real trend-line is an abuse of the scientific method. Finally, taking the most recent two-hundredths of one percent of years out of the last one million years of glacial epoch context, at a point where average global temperature is near the historic peak of the previous four interglacial periods and assuming that the massively pre-industrial pattern of Ice Ages followed by interglacial warmings – having nothing whatever to do with industrial carbon dioxide production – will not be repeated this time unless we let government shoot us all in our collective socioeconomic feet (or heads?) because of some bought-and-paid-for report by government subsidized scientists of the ilk of Anthony Fauci is dangerous nonsense!
It's more likely, in my opinion, that average global temperature will reach the interglacial peak sometime in the next five hundred years or so before steeply trending back downwards again towards the next Ice Age. If this is so, we don't need to bankrupt billions of humans and subject them even more to the arbitrary whims of the political class.
The only looming “crisis” is that we might wake up and end the endless flow of slush money funding “climate research,” hurting Progressive political power.