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Immigration

The Answer to Population Decline Is More Immigration

Politicians' go-to fixes like child tax credits and federal paid leave are known for creating disincentives to work without much impact on fertility.

Veronique de Rugy | 2.23.2023 12:01 AM

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Newspapers have been reporting on the demographic challenges in Asian nations like China, Japan, and South Korea. Some expect China's population, for example, to be cut in half by 2100. If current trends continue, some of the same problems will sooner or later hit the United States, and they won't be fixed with family-style entitlement policies that cost huge amounts of money and distort the economy without increasing fertility.

A far better priority would be immigration reform that lets more people in alongside regulatory reforms to boost housing, energy, and food production.

Let's first review some of the challenges of aging populations. The New York Times recently reported data on Asia's demographic struggles. It sums up the problem this way: "A growing percentage of people in Japan, South Korea and China are over 65, and those countries' economies are suffering because of a lack of available workers. Governments are struggling to find the money to support retirees."

A shrinking workforce is a big deal. Having fewer workers means that working hours per capita will be longer—including longer hours for older, manual labor workers. It will also spur a further decline in productivity. Eventually wages and innovation will decline—a decline that will be even steeper if the government and labor unions continue to resist productivity-enhancing automation and free trade.

Politicians' go-to answers are not the fix. Productivity is likely to fall further if the U.S. government implements policies like universal and generous child tax credits, subsidized child care, federal paid leave, or "baby bonuses." These are known for creating disincentives to work without much impact on fertility. They're also expensive. That, in turn, increases the likelihood of future tax hikes. The result will be slower economic growth and worsening opportunities for our children and grandchildren.

And forget about boosting education to produce more highly skilled workers in industries such as tech and health care if that means pouring more money into the same public schools that are failing today's children. Innovation will also be lessened if government officials continue to punish the necessary investments with higher taxes on capital and more stringent regulations that mean fewer factories, machines, or housing.

I've already hinted at many of the policies that would better address the demographic challenge. These also include deregulating energy, zoning and land use, and agriculture as well as freeing capital to more creatively finance private sector innovation. But even under the best policy regime, the size of the population matters.

For one thing, while market-friendly policies will not artificially tamp down population, they alone may not increase population and, hence, the size of the future workforce. Failing to increase America's working-age population will make it challenging to sustain programs like Social Security. Shortly after the program was created in 1935, there were 42 workers per retiree. Today this ratio is 3-to-1 and heading toward 2-to-1. Good luck to those two workers who will be crushed under the weight of their taxes without much hope of benefits.

Birth rates have been dropping since the end of the postwar baby boom in the late 1950s. While we Americans still have enough children to replace ourselves, we don't have enough to grow the population. We leave this growth to immigrants, who tend to have more kids than do native-born Americans. Restrictionist immigration policies would reverse this trend while expansionist policies would make everything easier for us. It would certainly make paying for older folks' retirements and medical care easier.

Maybe most importantly, more people mean more brains. That translates into more innovation followed by more growth. A few years ago, Alec Stapp and Jeremy Neufeld wrote that "Despite making up just 14% of the population, immigrants are responsible for 30% of U.S. patents and 38% of U.S. Nobel Prizes in science. A team of Stanford economists recently estimated that nearly three quarters of all U.S. innovation since 1976 can be attributed to high-skilled immigration."

We could certainly use many more immigrant doctors, nurses, engineers, and other professionals, but lower-skilled immigrants are also vital. Let's not forget that these workers kept the economy going during the pandemic as the computer class worked from home. Immigrants' children have also been proven to be upwardly mobile. So, we should let them in, too.

The bottom line is that we need more immigrants, and we need them now. If we wait until we're in the dire straits now suffered by China and Japan, it will be too late.

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  1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Just keep draining poor countries of their population until they either develop and begin down the road of their population decline, or they collapse altogether.

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

      If poor but ambitious populations want to move here, that is neither government's business. It is the individuals' choices.

      But if by draining you mean forced migration or government refugee enticement, that violates individualism on a massive scale.

      1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        The only reason population decline is an issue is the social welfare ponzi schemes. Get rid of those and who cares too much either way.

      2. Methadras Aszlosis   2 years ago

        Bullshit. Government has a responsibility to manage its borders. That means that it can decide who to let in, who not to let in, and open or close it.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      I call it the population ponzi bomb.

    3. damikesc   2 years ago

      Also, nothing is sure to insure domestic tranquility quite like foreigners being forced to work to support old folks from the country they moved to. That never leads to resentment or other problems.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        I tell young people they need to put in some overtime, because social security payouts just went up 8%.

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    4. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I kinda thought the women of Reason would be more attune to this sort of thing, but apparently, by Veronique's line of thought, The Handmaid's Tale is cool as long as political parts of the plot take place outside our borders and all the fertile women have brown skin.

  2. John Rohan   2 years ago

    So you are advocating for the Great Replacement. I thought that was only a conspiracy theory?

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Even without bringing in replacement into the equation, it's a highly juvenile, reductive argument to make. Just bring them in from... another... place that's... not having population decline... or something.

      The author is correct that tax incentives and other sundry "incentives" to increase birthrates are mostly a bust. But it's incredibly flippant to just say, "import them like one would import TVs and cheap cell phones".

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        Did we read the same article? "A far better priority would be immigration reform that lets more people in..."

        Lets (allows) more people in! I see NOTHING about dragooning anyone! I'm allowing you to go take a shit! Not forcing you! BIG difference!

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          Lets (allows) more people in! I see NOTHING about dragooning anyone! I’m allowing you to go take a shit! Not forcing you! BIG difference!

          It has nothing to do with "dragooning" people, it has to do with assumption that they'll continue to want to come here, and... AND the places they'll be coming from have a birthrate greater than replacement.

          This whole Immigration schtick of Reason's has been a bit of a trip. They kind of sort of have come around to admitting... like the decline in sperm count, that ok, it's happening, but there's an easy fix! Just bring in more people from [X]!

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Wonder if Verinique realizes if we didn't have so many government welfare programs hidden under ponzi schemes (Medicare, SS, 2% target inflation), declining population numbers wouldn't actually matter.

        1. Philadelphia Collins   2 years ago

          Large families with one paycheck and two parents were common for many years. What changed?

  3. Minadin   2 years ago

    We're worried about population DECLINE now? Paul Ehrlich for the loss, again, I guess.

    Here's an idea: Convince people in the FIRST WORLD that things are good and going to get better. Then, they might consider having a child or several. We can also work on improving things in the Third World by encouraging more economic liberty, so they don't have to move.

    We don't need to import people into a nominally rich country in decline, we need to teach and allow people to make their own countries nominally rich.

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Yup, all of this.

    2. damikesc   2 years ago

      Pretty much this. The young have been force fed a long diet of "The world is going to end!!!" and "experts" wonder why birth rates are dropping so.

    3. Chumby   2 years ago

      The nation and the planet will be better off when the population in DC declines by one.

    4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      No, the rich nations must be pulled down to the level of poor nations, for equity.

    5. damikesc   2 years ago

      I love how Ehrlich has been wrong about everything but on this one thing --- this he is right about. And that is in spite of decades of him being wrong about this topic.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        this he is right about

        He's not right or, if he is, he's right about ESG's appetites being bigger than what its populations could stomach.

        It would be like when he says, "In the future, everyone will be crippled by a lack of natural resources." and then goes out and cripples people and takes away their resources, someone shouting "See! He was right!"

  4. Adans smith   2 years ago

    Uh, in case the a writer didn't know, Japan and China aren't into people moving there and becoming citizens . You want to see real racism , go to Asia.

    1. gay   2 years ago

      You might notice that demographics and population decline have been the main contributor to Japan's lagging growth for the past 3 decades straight...

      China's demographic situation is no better.

      "Social engineering via "One Child Policy" bad; social engineering via strict border controls good. Because reasons." No need to rationalize it. Just call half of the worlds population racist... based on their race.

  5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    The Reasonistas just can't seem to understand that with the exception of Central Africa, all these countries illegal immigrants are leaving from are experiencing natural population decline too. Stealing another country's human capital only staves off the inevitable temporarily.

    Also, here's a newsflash for Veronique. China, Japan, and South Korea are incredibly racist and any immigrants there will be third class citizens for many generations. Dubai, Kuwait, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia treat economic migrants as outright slaves.

    The civil rights movements to change that only worked in the West because it's a guilt based society. Honour and fear based societies like in the Middle East and East Asia will be under no compunction to change.

  6. Jerryskids   2 years ago

    Which begs the question of whether or not population decline is a bad thing.

    1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago (edited)

      When your population is an inverted pyramid, programs like Social Security become unsustainable, for one thing.

      There is also that a society's human capital is important to its future, a declining population by definition is a loss of human capital, and not having natural replacement, immigration is only a stop gap measure, not a permanent solution.

      1. ragebot   2 years ago

        Social Security is unsustainable due to it paying more out than it is taken in. This is the definition of a ponzi scheme. There is no reason why it has to be unsustainable, simply increase what is paid in or decrease what is taken out. The problem is on the pols.

    2. madameevil   2 years ago

      It raises the question."Begs the question" is something entirely different.Anybody here ever worked with any of these "immigrants"
      from Mexico and Central America? 90% are stupid,need to be told to do things over and over again,often refuse and run to tell boss that they are being picked on.When you see how they behave in a work situation,you see why their countries are such a mess.

  7. Moonrocks   2 years ago

    So the answer to economic downturns, inflation, natural disasters, war, systemic racism, and the drug crisis is the answer to population decline, too. Is there anything immigration can't do?

    1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      I suppose we need to try it as a floor wax and a dessert topping.

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        Ass a toothpaste AND ass a hemorrhoid ointment!

    2. Heresolong   2 years ago

      Moonrocks, the exact comment I came down here to make.

      Also never addressed by libertarians at Reason (or anywhere else really) is the undisputable fact that when you import people from somewhere where libertarian or democratic ideals are not the norm but where socialistic ideas are, many if not most of them don't believe in libertarian or democratic ideals. So your society changes, and not for the better.

  8. Chumby   2 years ago

    Immigration, like inflation, is pure profit.

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      I'm approaching that age when I am very grateful when I can get inflated any more...

  9. Mickey Rat   2 years ago (edited)

    The Democrats are looking to make practical dissent from their extremist ideology on abortion illegal.

    “Crisis pregnancy centers are under constant fire (sometimes literally) from the pro-abortion Left. The Associated Press is now rebranding them “anti-abortion centers” to reflect the AP’s politics.

    It’s no secret that the rage and violence directed at these centers stems from the fear that their existence leads to fewer abortions. That’s why Elizabeth Warren and other pro-abortion extremists in Congress want federal legislation, in her words, “to crack down on the deceptive practices these centers use to prevent people from getting abortion care” and to get the government to pressure Google to suppress search results for such centers. NARAL Pro-Choice America gave away the game by listing among these “deceptive practices”: “More than 67 percent of the locations intentionally referred to the fetus as ‘baby’ and told our investigator she was already a mother because she was already pregnant.”

    “The head of Cobalt, the group formerly known as NARAL Pro-Choice Colorado, complains about the competition: “They’re very deceptive. Oftentimes, they intentionally open up shop right next to an actual abortion clinic.” Worse, they actually provide forms of support that women need and want:

    ‘A lot of the services offered and supplies provided by the centers fill gaps that health care isn’t, according to Aurea Bolaños Perea, strategic communication director for Colorado Organization for Latina Opportunity and Reproductive Rights. This leads to community members being “manipulated” into seeking care at the centers. . . . Some services discussed on the center’s website appear exclusive. For example, baby showers are offered for expecting parents. . . . The outreach ACPC and centers like it offer competes with abortion providers and makes navigating abortion care harder for patients, according to Bolaños Perea.’

    Baby showers! The horror.”

    Why are we having population decline again?

    1. Illocust   2 years ago

      When you're in the pro-abortion bubble it becomes really easy to get detached from how normal people view the situation, and to end up coming to some truly horrifying conclusions.

      1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        With the way the Democrats are going, no one can offer pregnancy services who is not pushing abortion. No one can treat gender dysphoria who is not pushing transitioning through radical chemical therapy and surgery. It is fascinating how they are quite willing to use the law to enforce their dogmas.

  10. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

    'Maybe most importantly, more people mean more brains' and so forth. There's quite a lot of evidence that this is complete horseshit, starting w/ the overreaction, still ongoing, to covid. Human beings in larger numbers almost always tend to make terrible decisions, thus the reason for the US not being a pure democracy.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      starting w/ the overreaction, still ongoing, to covid

      Starting, but nowhere near ending. I’m still astounded by the apparently serial and abjectly massive mass-delusions that have taken place since 2016 (maybe beginning in 2008 with Obama Zombies). I’m probably not the only one who can remember the 90s, “sheeple”, and “groupthink”. The entire 90s doesn’t have shit on just 2019-2020, let alone 2016-2023. We spied on a Presidential candidate and he won. After he won, we spent *years* accusing a duly-elected President of being a Russian asset. 6 yrs. on, and a question like “Did we ferret out all the Russian agents in our government that would’ve secured his electoral victory?” Gets you a reply along the lines of “What the hell are you talking about?” It gets you that reply because of a summer of mostly peaceful protests… and lockdowns, school closures, and masking… and a seemingly necessary war in Ukraine (and maybe Taiwan).

      “Madness is rare in individuals – but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule.” – Nietzsche

  11. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago (edited)

    ‘”…universal and generous child tax credits, subsidized child care, federal paid leave, or “baby bonuses.”‘

    While I understand the benefits that children bring to a society, though I have never had any, and can, at least partially, justify financial “breaks” for the folks who choose to have children, is there a point where people will decide to have children strictly because of the financial incentives? And if so, wouldn’t they be more like “puppy mills” than actual families? I am pretty sure we don't want to go down that road.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      A baby marketplace, like a farmer’s market or something.
      Libertarian moment!

      1. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

        "A baby marketplace..."

        Yeah, or a "baby showroom." Oh wait. We DO have "adoption agencies....."

      2. Chumby   2 years ago

        Pluggo might like that.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      But the foster system is only filled with loving homes run by compassionate altruistic

      1. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

        +++

      2. Chumby   2 years ago

        Some foster homes are a cradle to grave endeavor.

  12. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

    Maybe look at the government or cultural issues causing the decline and fix those rather than advocating for population replacement. China'a one child policy, Japan's work culture and the US's me culture all result in less ability or willingness to put family and children high on the priority list, but immigration is easier if you're looking to destroy rather than propagate the underlying culture.

  13. Akramzitt   2 years ago

    Wars is very bad for such problem.

  14. JohnZ   2 years ago

    By all means, let's allow in several more millions of "guest workers" along with who knows how many murderers, rapists,thieves,pedophiles, drug cartel members and other assorted criminals. By all means, after all they are all dreamers.
    If you want to see more of what happened in in Goshen, California repeated all over the country, then by all means leave the border wide open . Who needs to control immigration anyway? It doesn't matter that the nation is on the verge of financial collapse with more Americans out of work every day, and besides we gotta war to wage on those nasty Russ, oops I mean a war for democracy in Ukraine. Joe Biden assures Zell the American people have his back.
    I wonder if the reason why James O'keefe was ousted was his expose of the HHS child trafficking? Nah, if it was, he would be dead by now.

  15. JohnZ   2 years ago

    Thought crime is now punishable with imprisonment in jolly olde England, that is, praying outside an abortion clinic.
    In America anti-abortion advocates homes are raided by the FBI and arrested. Pro life counseling offices are attacked and burned without consequences to those who committed arson and vandalism. Not one single person has been arrested for vandalizing or setting fire to pro-life counseling centers.
    Am I missing something here?

  16. Brandybuck   2 years ago

    Nonsense! Boomers just need to be having more kids. And not GenX or Zoomers this time around.

    1. CE   2 years ago

      Boomers are getting too old for that.

  17. NOYB2   2 years ago

    "Population decline" is something statists favoring gigantic government-run pyramid schemes worry about. That's you, Veronique.

    Besides, the US doesn't have a significant population decline; let Europe, Japan, and China have mass immigration. Those countries actually are in serious trouble demographically.

    The US can spend the next few decades assimilating the immigrants that have come in over the last half century.

    1. AaronC   2 years ago

      This is exactly correct. Why is it bad if we return to the population level of 1970, for example? Were we living in abject misery and poverty in 1970 because they're weren't enough people? No, we had high standards of living.

      You have to ask who benefits from increasing population. It's the government bureaucrats and big business. More people create more taxable transactions and supply soldiers to the army. More workers keep wages depressed and increase the value of real property and thus increase rental incomes.

      Conversely, who is hurt by it? Working people. Lower wages, higher rent and real estate prices, more congested roads and public services. The wealthiest will always have access to space, because they already own land. They will always have access to ethnically homogeneous enclaves and private schools, which is where they already live.

  18. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    There is no shortage of people in this world. What we need to do is make getting use of this unused resource and that means allowing more immigration. It is also to the long-term advantage of our country if we are bringing people into a country that has democracy and capitalism. People will get a chance to see the advantages of these systems and learn to like them.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Funny you seem to think capitalism is a landscape.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      What we need to do is make getting use of this unused resource and that means allowing more immigration.

      This is one of the dumbest comments you've ever made, amongst a wealth of riches. There are no "unused resources" to be concerned about, and to frame them in such terms is the logic of a cancer cell.

      People will get a chance to see the advantages of these systems and learn to like them.

      Another stupid comment. Nearly all 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants hate the US, thanks to the neomarxist curriculums of the public school system and the propaganda from the media that if they don't end up rich, it's because of racism.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        Your reply that 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants hate the US is ludicrous. It is merely a reflection of your belief that those who don't agree with you are so how less patriotic. You are wrong and patriotism is not defined by your own narrow ideas.

        1. Beezard   2 years ago

          Depends on the groups.

          California Chicanos are pretty commie and pissed off. Just see what the kids of the Somalis we “rescued” got up to in Minnesota.

          But a lot of the Asian groups stick to themselves and seem to thrive. And some of the best students with the most engaged parents at my wife’s school are Nigerian, etc.

          1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

            Plenty of groups with different ideas. One group on January 6, 2020 want to throw out an election and rather install a President of their own choice. Not very patriotic in my book.

  19. PeteRR   2 years ago (edited)

    “The Answer to _____ Is More Immigration”

    Evergreen headline.

  20. SRG   2 years ago

    I suspect that some people here object to immigration notwithstanding that the economic advantages are clear, is that the immigrants are predominantly insufficiently Aryan, and might also be more willing to vote Democrat. Of course the attitude in the former makes the latter more likely.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Why not just move all of the USA into Mexico and all of Mexico into the USA? Yep; that's the stupidity behind pushing for invasion.

      1. SRG   2 years ago

        You do realise it's not just Mexican drug dealers who want to immigrate, right? Ukrainians, Russians, etc.

        1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

          You do realize that the USA already has MORE immigrants than any other nation on the planet.. right?

          1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

            Including your ancestors and mine.

            1. Beezard   2 years ago

              Pre-welfare state

              1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

                Immigrants today get about the same thing my ancestors got, the right to work, pay taxes and an education for their children. Where do you get the idea that immigrants are only coming for welfare.

                1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

                  Welfare benefit records? LOL.. That was kind-of a dumb comeback.

                  You didn't think they mostly voted for Democrats because they were believers in a Constitutional Union of Republican States did you?

                  1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

                    Care to provide a citation for that "Welfare Benefit records" because I think you pulled that out of the air. Where are the records of immigrants getting welfare?

                    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

                      Take your pick; USA Today, Pew Research or
                      https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs

                      I once took the time to dig into Medical records and saw as much as 80% of all costs going to immigrants.

                    2. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

                      Thanks for the reference and I do think it makes a point. It is however broad in that it looks into households headed by non-citizen. It also doesn't look at the cost compared to citizens. So free lunch for a school child is counted as accessing benefits, the paper notes this. It also in no way shows people coming here for benefits but rather people established here, contributing and then accessing benefits. Finally, while the head of the household is a non-citizen other members of the household could be citizens. Especially children born in the US.

            2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

              One just has to love how counter-arguments just keep going where-ever they need to go to substantiate a BS claim. Perhaps you'd like to use the Dinosaurs immigration too?

          2. SRG   2 years ago

            US is also one of the largest countries, and all the countries larger are not places where anyone would want to emigrate to, so your stat is fairly worthless. Which means you're consistent.

            1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

              "are not places where anyone would want to emigrate to"
              And ****WHAT**** do you suppose is the reason for that?
              Why couldn't those who live there create an awesome nation?

              Conquer and Consume ideology; Moving on to someone else's greener-pasture to graze on?

              1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

                i.e. A massive population ideology that Gov-Gangster-Guns will take care of them? The same majority ideology that has shown statistically to be in most of those who immigrate?

                And that should be the difference between legal and illegal immigration.

    2. MT-Man   2 years ago

      Weak

    3. JohnZ   2 years ago

      That must be what the Canadians are objecting to.

    4. mad.casual   2 years ago

      AFAICT, Reason's immigration stance is that C./S. Americans are the Goldilocks shade of brown (not too black, not too white) to become slaves. The open statements started with Shikha, but apparently, the notion is contagious. They want them to come here, fill labor positions and pay into our debt-riddled system so that, apparently, their children can be held in bondage to the same debt-riddled system.

    5. DesigNate   2 years ago

      D-

  21. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

    Awe screw your MORE immigration. The master plan is to just join the Mexican cartel right???
    Why can't the USA be just as sh*tty as Mexico?? Inquiring minds want to know.

    1. JohnZ   2 years ago

      Another four more years of democrat rule and we will be as shitty as Mexico.

  22. Rossami   2 years ago

    re: "Having fewer workers means that working hours per capita will be longer—including longer hours for older, manual labor workers. It will also spur a further decline in productivity. Eventually wages and innovation will decline"

    Say what? That turns the law of Supply and Demand on its head. Fewer workers means lower supply of labor means higher wages. Fewer workers also means higher demand for alternative supplies such as automation. But even without automation, productivity is a per-worker measure. Working longer hours means productivity goes up. I'll conceed that government and labor unions can sabotage the improvements but in no scenario does fewer workers make either productivity or wages go down.

  23. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

    Rationing as a response to climate change.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21550085.2023.2166342?src=

  24. JFree   2 years ago (edited)

    A shrinking workforce is a big deal. Having fewer workers means that working hours per capita will be longer—including longer hours for older, manual labor workers. It will also spur a further decline in productivity. Eventually wages and innovation will decline—a decline that will be even steeper if the government and labor unions continue to resist productivity-enhancing automation and free trade.

    On what fucking planet is this true? There was a serious test case of population decline – the Black Death of 1346 to 1353. Those immediately tilted the labor market towards surviving workers and away from the idle, nobles, and rentiers. Wages rose. Workers moved towards those areas where wages were freer to rise. Towards medieval towns which were chartered by the crown and where a cash economy worked. Away from the country where the feudal economy of fixed mutual obligation was controlled by nobles. And where for the first time ever, the working poor began to believe they had some control over their own lives.

    It was the REACTION to those improved conditions for workers that was a disaster. In the rural areas, nobles raised rents and forced legislation/edicts to prevent movement of people. Enforced by theft, seizing property, and collecting bogus tolls for all movement/trade – the original ‘robber barons’ – raubritter.

    The STATE quickly forced people back into pre-plague conditions – see Ordinance of Laborers 1349 – by creating a much harsher form of serfdom and society. Made worse by the realization by those peasants that the state was now their enemy. Which led to the slew of peasants revolts – all of which the state won and then made things worse (in the sense of evil rather than incompetent).

    Population decline or population growth is not a condition that requires state intervention. Especially a knee-jerk intervention to favor one side without being honest enough to admit that.

  25. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    Mass immigration + talks of seceding = A nation being conquered.

  26. JohnZ   2 years ago

    At a time when the nation is facing possible recession and or depression, all we need is several more millions of people to have to take care of.
    The dollar is in decline and everyone knows it.
    Sorry but the Horn of Plenty has just emptied out. No welfare, no free housing, no free health care.
    Imagine three more million living on the street.......make that six million.

  27. Xamufam   2 years ago (edited)

    The problem with population decline is that it's going to become a worldwide issue, so immigration is a short term solution

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      The worst part of the immigration uber alles assumption is that, for all its pretenses at being humanist, it really just views people as unthinking, interchangeable widgets that can be leveraged to the advantage of one society over another. None of these people understand the limits of scale, and employ circular reasoning to the effect that any kind of population decline should be viewed with alarm.

  28. Truthteller1   2 years ago

    The answer to everything for the woke globalist cuck is more immigration. GFY.

  29. NJ2AZ   2 years ago

    silly me thinks the answer to population decline is to at least try and figure out a way to organize a society that isn't dependent on a cross generational pyramid scheme

    1. CE   2 years ago

      The real trick is going from the plan we have now, to one that makes sense.

  30. Leizl   2 years ago

    "And forget about boosting education to produce more highly skilled workers in industries such as tech and health care if that means pouring more money into the same public schools that are failing today's children"

    Sooooo, I guess we are just throwing in the towel on educating the native population?

  31. JAQO   2 years ago

    You don’t solve the so-called population decline with suicidal open borders or even legal immigration, which should be severely curtailed and thoroughly self-interested. This is the type of retarded content that led me to cancel my subscription a few years ago.

  32. Bill Godshall   2 years ago (edited)

    During a Democrat presidential debate in 2020, Biden, Harris and all other Democrats and Socialists on the stage) invited ALL of the world’s poorest people to illegally enter the US, and also promised them free food, education, housing & healthcare.

    And yet federal law prohibits employers from hiring an illegal immigrant (preventing them from lawfully working, earning money and paying for things like legal immigrants).

    De Rugy is also wrong to advocate increasing population, as the worldwide population explosion the past century (from 2 billion to 8 billion) has and will continue to increase carbon emissions, temperature, and sea levels.

    Had China not imposed a one child policy in the 1970s, the Chinese population would now be 3 billion (instead of 1.5 billion).

  33. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    CA has more immigration (practically open-borders)..
    That should be all that needs to be said on that subject.

  34. Thoritsu   2 years ago

    No, the answer to population decline is "Great!"

    There are too many people. We do not need this many people. We do not need more people to "sit on" for crappy jobs. We do not need more people, until all the ones we have are off welfare.

  35. awildseaking   2 years ago (edited)

    Immigration as a solution to population decline is like saying starvation is a solution to obesity. Does it technically lead to weight loss? Yes. Does it have adverse effects that are completely avoidable with a healthier approach to weight loss? Yes.

    Population decline that leads to smaller societies and less robust economies should not be addressed by committing ethnic cleansing. That’s what mass migration does.

    This entire scenario is a false dilemma. The choice is not between ethnocultural homogeneity and prosperity. Take your globohomo someplace else.

    1. SRG   2 years ago

      Immigration as a solution to population decline is like saying starvation is a solution to obesity.
      Nope.

      Population decline that leads to smaller societies and less robust economies should not be addressed by committing ethnic cleansing. That’s what mass migration does.

      So your cultural values are so feeble they cannot withstand people of the wrong skin shade coming into the US. Gottit.

      1. Deadly Prancer   2 years ago

        You may as well blame the family structure of the red squirrel for not being able to compete with invasive species introduction of the grey squirrel.

        You do not even understand what you are implying, as what is feeble is tolerance, the highly intolerant are the ones that survive your test of invasion to force exclusion or assimilation, needlessly to say your concern is not one of function at all, just the usual signalling, as seen in those who fitness signal by backing highly destructive policies they can suvive, like in San Francisco where the believers shield themselves in neighborhoods with average home prices well above a million.

  36. kfs   2 years ago

    Over sixty million abortions performed since Roe v Wade, the loss of human potential is staggering, that combined with the demise of the nuclear family from cultural Marxist attacks and now we have to import millions of third world scum to make up the difference. This is how great countries become week and die. To quote Lincoln "If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men, we live forever or die by suicide. Truer words have never been uttered.

  37. Rosemary   2 years ago

    First, Veronique, importing poverty is not the answer.
    Second, draining India of its intellectual capital is also not the answer.
    Three, try again. Perhaps you will someday find the answer as to why the overdeveloped world hates kids.

  38. Rosemary   2 years ago

    Fourth, why does Reason force commenters to scroll all the way down to find the combox? Can you relocate it to the top of the comment section?

  39. conservativeprof   2 years ago

    Reason continues its crazy ideas about mass immigration of poor immigrants. No other country wants mass immigration of poor immigrants. Poor immigrants drive additional government spending especially when Democrats control government. Democrats are happy to provide many welfare benefits in addition to benefits already received. Reason completely ignores other costs of massive immigration (5M/year is massive immigration): housing shortages, traffic congestion, crowded schools (and much higher property taxes), health care shortages, increased crime, and so on. The situation has become beyond crazy now with Democrat mayors/governors busing migrants as well as providing hotels to house them. Crazy!!

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  41. Deadly Prancer   2 years ago

    Just no, high quality immigration dried up long ago. The US benefited from draining europe after destroying europe during the world wars, high IQ immigrants from cultures capable of advanced civilization. Immigrants aren't magic, just look at the example of Argentina which was on its way to become a world power, it ran out of european immigration, and whatever quibbles about bad socialism, unlike the same seen in europe, it cannot survive the damage with its lower levels of human capital.
    Beyond that immigration is disruptive, its pouring fuel on a fire to "save" some arbitrary metric of concern, only preventing the healing which would happen as space opens up for young families as population declines, as the more fertile take over. Instead you see the libertarian nonsense solution of naively importing invasive species without concern for reprecussions.
    Demographics is destiny, importing from the 3rd world will make you exactly that.

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