Ohio Train Derailment Is Another Excuse for Mudslinging and Conspiracy Theorizing
Plus: Did the Pentagon shoot down a hobby radio balloon?, Kentucky abortion ban can be enforced, and more...

Long-term risks still unclear, experts say. Residents of East Palestine, Ohio, aren't sure if it's safe to stay in the area after a train carrying hazardous materials derailed there and authorities released toxic materials into the air from train cars in danger of blowing up.
The "controlled burn of the toxic materials has filled the air and covered surface waters and soil with chemicals," notes The New York Times. "Dead fish have floated in nearby creeks, and an unnerving aroma has lingered in the air."
All told, several dozen Norfolk Southern train cars—including 11 transporting hazardous materials—derailed near East Palestine on February 3. Two days later, hundreds of areas residents and businesses were told to evacuate and, on February 6, authorities released vinyl chloride from five of the tanker cars to keep them from exploding.
On February 8, the evacuation order was lifted. But although East Palestinians have been allowed to return to their homes and businesses, they worry that doing so is risky and say there's a lack of clear guidance about what is and isn't safe.
These worries have been exacerbated by speculation and hyperbole from politicians, pundits, and folks on social media—where "commentators have called the situation the 'largest environmental disaster in history' or simply 'Chernobyl 2.0,'" the Times points out:
They warned, without evidence, that vital water reservoirs serving states downriver could be badly contaminated. And they suggested that the authorities, railroad companies and mainstream news media were purposefully obscuring the full toll of the crisis.
"Planned attack, cover-up or both?" asked "Conservative Daily Podcast," a program known for pushing far-right talking points.
Some of that speculation was echoed by mainstream outlets like Fox News, which suggested the fallout could be catastrophic.
"You better punch in at 9 a.m., Ohio, even if it means inhaling mustard gas on the way in," said a sarcastic Jesse Watters, the Fox News host, on Tuesday, over a title reading: "Ohio town looks like Chernobyl."
In other words, the disaster has been fertile ground for conspiracy theorists and partisan mudslinging. (See, for instance, Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio using this as an excuse to call for the firing of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. Or The Nation using the opportunity to take shots at capitalism.)
Left in the lurch are the people of East Palestine, who aren't sure what to believe.
"I think most of the residents here are concerned that they're going to sweep this under the rug," East Palestine resident Lisa Simmons told PBS NewsHour. "We have got dead fish in the streams. There's a lot of reports of pets and animals dying. And we just want to make sure that we're taking care of here."
For what it's worth, the Environmental Protection Agency said the air is safe and public water systems are safe.
But there are still a lot of unknowns about long-term risks, some experts say.
Meanwhile, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is still investigating how this happened.
A report this week from the NTSB said there was an overheated wheel bearing on the rail car that started the derailment. Wayside hot-box detectors—which use infrared sensors to detect when rail car components are overheating—are supposed to detect this sort of thing and flag rail crews about issues. "A hot-box detector in East Palestine notified the crew moments before the train derailed," noted train industry publication FreightWaves. "It's unclear if any hot-box detector prior to East Palestine notified crews."
Around East Palestine, Norfolk Southern currently employs no signalmen who specialize in the maintenance of devices like hot-box detectors, according to FreightWaves. Christopher Hand, director of research at the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen, told the publication that signalmen these days spent most of their time on government-mandated tests rather than routine maintenance.
"At a very boisterous meeting [Wednesday] night in the local high school gym, East Palestine Mayor Trent Conaway told the crowd through a bullhorn that Norfolk Southern would be held accountable," reports The Bulwark. Conaway said: "They screwed up our town, they're going to fix it."
The Bulwark piece, by Ohio writer Daniel McGraw, delves into some interesting context about East Palestine and nearby areas, where environmental and economic concerns have been butting up against each other:
About twenty miles from where the derailment occurred, a plant operated by Shell Oil opened last fall. It was nearly ten years in the making. Located on the Ohio River near Monaca, Pennsylvania, the facility, known as an "ethane cracker," opened in November and employs about 600 people to make the tiny pellets that are the precursor for nearly every product made of plastic. These pellets are often called "nurdles."
The process of making plastics involves separating the ethane and methane out of natural gas and heating the methane until it transforms into ethylene, the highly reactive raw material for polyethylene, the most common kind of plastic. The process is ecologically problematic in several ways.
One day before the train derailed, two environmental groups announced they were suing Shell Chemical Appalachia, operator of the Monaca plant, for violations of federal and state air-quality standards….
But the business community and many elected officials argue that even if there are environmental risks, the economic benefits are undeniable—and sorely needed. "You can't just have a service economy," Beaver County Commissioner Jack Manning said in an interview last spring. He links the loss of the area's once-robust steel industry to the more than 50 percent decline in its school-age population between 1972 and 2012, and is eager for something to lift the community's prospects again.
It's against this backdrop that the train carrying chemicals that help make plastics derailed.
The big problem, writes McGraw, is that "the solution that the government and Norfolk Southern went with of burning the chemicals and then sending in the crisis manager to ascertain the severity of the situation seems like the sort of decision that favors the trains more than the people."
Whether that was the right decision or not is hard for laypeople to assess—which is probably what makes this situation so ripe for politicking and conspiracy theorizing.
FOLLOW-UP
Did the Pentagon shoot down a hobby radio balloon? President Joe Biden said on Thursday that the unidentified flying objects (UFOs) the U.S. shot down last week and over the weekend were not Chinese spy balloons. Meanwhile, some evidence suggests that at least one of them may have been a tiny amateur radio "pico" balloon. This sort of hobby ballooning relies on mylar helium party balloons to carry solar-powered transmitters, which can be picked up by amateur radio hobbyists.
The "UFO" shot down over Canada has probably been identified: A tiny amateur radio pico balloon (K9YO-15), launched on 22 Oct 2022, has gone missing in the area of the shot down. It was on it's 7th circumnavigation of the globe, being aloft for 123 days.https://t.co/01ogxcginH pic.twitter.com/GEKWYxVA7y
— Gunter Krebs ???? ???? ???????? ????️???? (@Skyrocket71) February 16, 2023
From RTL-SDR.com:
There is speculation that at least one of the objects shot down over Canada, Yukon by a US Air Force jet may have been amateur radio pico balloon K9YO-15 which was launched from Illinois on October 10 2022. It was on it's [sic] seventh circumnavigation of the globe after being aloft for 123 days.
The launch blog post indicates that the K9YO-15 balloon was flying a silver mylar 32" sphere SAG balloon which appears to be this one from balloons.online.…A pentagon memo notes that the object shot down over Canada was a "small metallic balloon with a tethered payload" which fits the description of the pico balloon exactly.
The K9YO-15 balloon ceased all WSPR telemetry transmissions while flying just below Alaska since Feb 11 00:18 UTC (just before sunset in Alaska when the solar panels would stop working).
By using NOAA wind models and the last known location by Alaska, K9YO-15 was projected to have been over Yukon when the US Air Force shot down the unknown balloon object at Feb 11 20:41 UTC (3:41 PM EST / 1:41 PM Yukon time according to Canadian Defense Minister Anand). Reports put the altitude of the shot down object at approximately 40,000ft (~12000 meters), which matches the projected ~11500 meters of K9YO-15. Based on the previous days transmission times, it is suspected that if it were operational, the balloon would have begun transmitting again sometime later in the Yukon afternoon when the sun was stronger, but no transmissions have been seen.
On February 14th the balloon was declared as missing in action by the launch group.
More here.
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Siding with Republican Attorney General Daniel Cameron, Justice Debra Hembree Lambert asserted in her opinion that the circuit court "abused its discretion by granting abortion provider's motion for a temporary injunction."
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"Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security."
- Donald Trump, leftist
Hahahahahahaha Reason actually went with the stock DNC talking point that the real problem with a Chernobyl disaster in Ohio is "conspiracy theories" about it!
Not one "environmentalist" has said a thing. Too busy waging war on the proles' ability to travel any distance independently or cook with gas stoves...
The problem is OBVIOUSLY the proles are too stupid to understand. It's not that every public institution has flushed its credibility by being incompetent, dishonest, and indifferent to the concerns of those idiot proles.
I blame the kulaks.
I blame the morlocks.
My CHUD buddies will kick all their asses.
Reason's stance is very strange here and nothing libertarian about it. Most of the issues form this event will be years in the making and not just a bunch of dead fish.
and "controlled burn" comment, my ass that is not controlled and the only time burning is used to eliminate chemicals it needs to be at very high temperatures which we are not seeing here as evidenced by the dark cloud and literal fallout
Reason's stance?
Where is there a stance? ENB merely posted some links and quotes.
You have to know that you consistently being obtuse and doing this same type of question over and over is the reason people call you a troll right?
I think its technically why we call him a sea lion
Yeap. One of their primary tactics.
Anyway, please point out where Reason has taken a stance on the matter. No hand waving.
And the stance is: “Trust the state!”
This happened over a week ago, why is reason only now talking about it?
Have any sex workers been harmed? Drag Queens, Child groomers? No? Then there's nothing to see here.
Speaking of groomers, I certainly hope none of these derailments have delayed critical shipments of industrial sized barrels of Ben & Jerry’s. Like the ones Jeffy purchases with his EBT card.
Government "fact-checkers" are explaining away that black cloud as fake news, unrelated and nothin' to see here, folks. Also, government detectors say Reason is a magazine for thought-criminals according to an article I read here this week.
I mean, you're not that far off. The Government has been downplaying the situation and ENB went out of her way to get mad at Marco Rubio for wanting the person in charge fired. Don't you think that's a concern?
That’s political strategy, not ideology.
Republicans should have the good sense to STFU sometimes.
Everyone is a leftist, it is just a matter degrees, starting with how far right you are!
Everyone is a right-winger, it is just a matter of degrees, starting with how left you are.
THE Ohio State train derailment
tOSTD
That school down south?
Residents of East Palestine, Ohio, aren't sure if it's safe to stay in the area...
THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR VOTING RED, YOKELS
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1626339685101436929?t=y2_xbVLSUVCrxQzRNKmQBQ&s=19
$100 billion for Ukraine.
Nothing for Ohio.
[Link]
hey, they voted for Trump, and also, arent offering an opportunity for unlimited money laundering for the DNC so...
Ohio has only itself to blame; if they wanted Federal money they should have given Hunter a cushy job so the Big Guy gets his 10% cut.
Translation: tax looters goood
That's how the Democrats want it!
Why should taxpayers fork up money for Norfolk Southern's fuck up? That would simply be another case of corporations wanting to privatize the profits and socialize the losses. This is not a natural disaster; i.e., hurricane, tornado. This disaster was caused by a corporation, a very wealthy corporation who should be the ones to bear the cost.
Protect Biden at all costs!
The government should pay for the cleanup and send Norfolk Southern the bill.
That’s an advantage we have over the Soviets. They couldn’t claim private enterprise was at fault for Chernobyl.
Why should taxpayers pay for any disaster; natural or man made?
That's what private insurance is for. No government involvement is needed, and whenever the government is involved, it's going to cost you. We're all better off without FEMA, except for those who've chosen to not protect themselves, and who get the benefits of not making insurance payments for disasters.
ENB fails to bring this up, or the cozy relationship between government and big business (or between Buttigieg and the Norfolk Southern CEO and big shareholders where Buttigieg is getting a big campaign cash contribution, in exchange for helping the feds cover up the harm).
ENB's position of "conspiracy theories and mudslinging" is doing exactly what the government wants: ignoring the lack of action by the Feds to assure the town is safe to live in, to investigate, and to report.
Further, I don't understand the distinction between man made and natural disasters, because FEMA has declared many arson started fires, disasters.
It's fly-over country, not live-by-the-tracks country.
This really goes to show how necessary trains are even today. An individual truck can't carry enough chemicals to nuke a town. Also the gps might give them wrong directions to the nuke site then where would we be?
If the trucker is employed by Swift, they'd get stuck under a low bridge somewhere following said GPS.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine,_Ohio
Meanwhile the DEI hire running the NTSB says we need the limit the amount of white people working infrastructure jobs. If the demographics of East Palestine where the same as Flint MI, there would be 24/7 coverage, blaming whitey and the GOP.
That was the DOT DEI hire, Buttigieg. NTSB is independent of DOT, and the current chair was nominated by Trump to the board.
...they worry that doing so is risky and say there's a lack of clear guidance about what is and isn't safe.
Why all of a sudden won't people just trust the experts they see on TV?
Yeah, the Ohio episode was pulled from the spring 2020 Covid playbook.
It is being spun the exact same way.
It’s unclear what you want them to do though.
Burning the crap probably was the best option: it turned most of those nasty chemicals into CO2 and hydrochloride acid. Hydrochloric acid may kill trees and fish and damage cars, but it isn’t dangerous to humans at those concentrations.
If the combustion was incomplete, it may have left other nasty chemicals in smaller concentrations and they will have to test for that.
"If the combustion was incomplete.."
Oh who the fuck do you think you are, pretending to speak with any sense of expertise?
It was an uncontrolled open air ignition that generated large black clouds of soot, ie. only partially combusted materials.
Of course it was incomplete. there is absolutely zero doubt that a wide array of chemical byproducts were created.
Something was. We don't know whether it was the vinyl chloride.
Hence my statement “it may have left other nasty chemicals in smaller concentrations and they will have to test for that.
So far, there is also zero evidence that it generated dangerous concentrations of dioxins. I’m sure people are testing for it; there are lots of labs that will do those tests for you, so it’s not like the government can keep this a secret.
It’s created dangerous concentrations of something. Given the large number of animal deaths in the adjacent areas
Since animals drink water from puddles and eat stuff in the environment, they are susceptible to chemicals that don't affect humans.
They had a difficult decision to make. The decision to burn the stuff may have been wrong, or it may have been the best of a bunch of bad options.
Now, it's simply up to regular testing and taking action when necessary.
The issue of responsibility will be resolved in courts of law.
Didn't you read the article? Not trusting government means you're a conspiracy theorist.
That's PROUD conspiracy theorist to you - - - - -
(no relation to the other PRIDE thing)
I've been told for so long by so many that I am a racist, sexist, homo-trans-phobic, religious zealot that I am now going to fully embrace it.
You could start a movement.
Alice can contribute some experience.
Damn! You beat me to it!
🙂
Only with 50 people a day walking into a shrink's office and singing a bar of "Alice's Restaurant" and walking out.
🙂
You left out climate denialist. The fact you didn't mention the climate indicates you're a denialist. Off to room 101 for you.
I am pretty sure that for me Room 101 will involve being subjected to metaphors about bears in trunks with no ability to respond.
HA!!!
All true libritarians blindly believe the gov
It has to be the right kind of government though.
Didn’t you read the article? Not trusting government means you’re a conspiracy theorist.
ENB = the only true libertarian
Robbie vigorously nods in agreement.
It's a bit hard to trust the Experts we see on TV when there aren't even any Experts on TV acknowledging that it even happened.
Well, just trust their silence.
Meanwhile, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is still investigating how this happened.
How to make sure certain interests stay clear of any scrutiny.
I'll give the NTSB a lot of credit as one of the few government agencies that has the balls to criticize government. They've taken the FAA to task many times.
I agree, with respect to airlines. I'm not so sure with rail.
It depends as to how much money Norfolk and Southern contributed to certain politicians and to the NTSB.
The NTSB is funded directly from Congress and reports to no other agency as an independent agency. They take no money from lobbyists.
They have. The 1989 San Bernardino Rail Crash is one such instance.
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/RAR9002.pdf#page190
And in addition, they have a most wanted list that admonishes the FRA for not protecting workers better.
https://www.ntsb.gov/Advocacy/mwl/Pages/mwl-21-22/mwl-rph-02.aspx
How to make sure certain interests stay clear of any scrutiny
From the little I’ve heard about the incident, that seems to be all that the regulatory bureaucrats have been doing.
Well. We know it was Trumps fault for rescinded a rule about oil tanker trains having nothing to do with this train.
Oh, so they found a way to blame Trump. I guess that's why they're starting to mention it.
Trump knew about trains while he was president, so this is his fault.
Yep once again Trump rescinded a law that Obama had no legal right to enact in the first place. Congress makes laws not the president
A train derailed. They do that. Regularly.
This one carried very common chemicals.
Burning the chemicals was probably the best way to deal with the situation. It produced a lot of fairly harmless chemicals, but probably also some dioxins.
They have to test for those and see whether they are at dangerous levels. If so, they’ll have a huge cleanup and lawsuits on their hands.
What mystery do you want to solve here?
"If so, they’ll have a huge cleanup and lawsuits on their hands."
Oh shit, now you are playing lawyer.
Who exactly is "they" who will be responsible for the cleanup and lawsuits Mr. Genius?
The people who were running the train?
Or the people who decided it was safer to blow it all up?
Because they are not the same people, and the latter have that whole government immunity thing going for them.
Whoever is found responsible, stupid. That's what we have investigators and courts for.
If they made the wrong call, they will be held responsible as well. There will likely be lawsuits and hearings.
What do you propose they should have done instead? Let large clouds of highly toxic chemicals drift over the town? Call the Enterprise to beam it into space?
Meanwhile, just as the investigation begins, Sec Pete and the EPA head have already declared that:
1. Everything is fine here, situation normal.
2. They are going to hold the rail company accountable for this unmitigated disaster. Which they don't know the cause of, yet.
And the real problem here is that there are people who don't just take them at their word? Those two statements above are clearly both irresponsible, premature, and beside that, can not both be true.
Hell, the President just went live yesterday to let us know that he personally ordered the shootdown of several hobby balloons. But questioning the competency of the people in charge is somehow beyond the pale.
Our government/media is way better at coverups than the Soviets ever were.
For what it's worth, the Environmental Protection Agency said the air is safe and public water systems are safe.
What is that worth these days?
But they are only safe for the fully vaxxed and boosted
You forgot paper masks.
Six feet apart!
Didn't forget - if you are vaxxed and boosted you can go up to 4 hours without a mask - CDC
The epa spokesman also turned down a glass of tap water
The water is safe and effective
Same for the air... aside from the CO2.
The town should bottle their water and ship it to Washington.
the EPA the air & water is safe when we can see with our own eyes and breath that is not, yet they claim in 30 years something no one can see, CO2 will kill everything
Not exactly sure why ENB seems to oppose the concept of firing Pete. It's not like he's done a competent job as of yet.
All ENB wrote was the factual statement that “Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio using this as an excuse to call for the firing of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.”
From that you are concluding, “ENB seems to oppose the concept of firing Pete”? How?
It’s just a story to read with your cawfee.
Is the roundup a news story today or an opinion piece. Need ENBs puppy to weigh in.
Dee the border cawllie
Does that make jeff an Alaskan husky?
St. Bernards are the fattest breed, but they’re more intelligent than Groomer Jeffy.
as an excuse
Idiot. No one here except sarc is dumb enough to believe you're too dumb to read between the lines.
Only stupid people see what someone says and conclude that's what they mean.
Geniuses like you see what someone doesn't say and then make up what they mean.
Cite?
Everyone here has experience with your aggressive stupidity.
She equated it to abolishing capitalism, you illiterate fuck.
There are many, many reasons to fire Secretary Pete. Incompetence might not even be the biggest one.
In fact, we could probably reduce his entire department by half.
He is so bad at his job that we know who the Transportation Secretary is.
He's a sacred gay
I hear he did a bang up job as mayor of South Bend.
ooooopps.
Not exactly sure why ENB seems to oppose the concept of firing Pete.
Didn't you read the article?! It's akin to calling for the abolition of capitalism!
“Fire Pete!” —LITERALLY Pol Pot!
She thinks he’s dreamy. She longs for what she can’t have.
It was on it's 7th circumnavigation of the globe, being aloft for 123 days.
One week from retirement.
Also, can we get Trudeau to get the US military to shoot down that errant apostrophe?
I suppose as long as it's a grammar police action, they wouldn't require a formal declaration.
Makes me wonder about the real problem of such balloons drifting down through the airways.
Read the FAA regulations. There are lots of these and they don’t cause problems.
I don't care about burrocrats. I wonder about the actual physical aspects of airliners running into balloons with electronic payloads. Does the airstream push them out of the way unless they are dead center? Are the payloads too small to cause any damage even going through an engine or bouncing off the nose radome?
I assume they get sucked into the engine. Under the FAA limits, they have about the same mass as a bird. There are about 14000 bird strikes on planes every year, so apparently not a big deal.
Hardware electronics are significantly harder than flesh and even bone.
Well, you'll have to take that up with the FAA. They permit these balloons, so presumably they have thought about it.
I suspect at propeller/jet engine blade speeds, it makes little difference, same way that hitting water at high speed is like hitting concrete.
The hobby balloon that is suspected to have been shot down weighs less than one ounce including the payload. They pose no danger to anyone or anything.
https://nibbb.org/
Pico Ballooning is a part of Amateur Radio also known as Ham Radio or Hams. We’re licensed by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) allowing us to communicate to other Hams throughout the World. Pico meaning small, we send a small transmitter, with GPS tracking and antenna on a balloon filled with Hydrogen, rising to 47,000 feet, and travelling with the speed of the Jetstream. As we travel, our GPS is able to locate our current location, and other information is gathered depending on what chips we have on our transmitter while using other programs to gather other inflight information.
Our total package of transmitter, antenna, and balloon weigh less than an ounce, that is really small.
I guess we have to add $400000 missiles to the list of dangers pico balloons face (traditionally, hail, aircraft, birds, lightning, storms).
There we have it! This whole thing was staged by a bunch of hams!
Also, can we get Trudeau to get the US military to shoot down that errant apostrophe?
Maybe it was being held in the phrase, "hundreds of areas residents and businesses" by a balloon and that's where it landed after it was shot down.
That’s odd, there was a period when it was still up n the air!
Google set to implement 'pre banking algorithm to stop misinformation regarding correct narratives. Been waiting for this since 1984.
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/minority-report-google-prebunking-initiative-builds-feds-anti-populism
Prebunking thoughtcrimes.
So many new words to learn now.
How do you think ChatGPT feels.
Leftist?
Fair.
But not balanced.
Lobotomized.
VERY huffy!
Filled with private texts between Fox stars like Hannity and Carlson, plus Murdoch, all admitting they knew Fox's stolen election claims were lies.
And I had trusted that they weren't part of corporate media.
Also shows idiotic that the MSM is as you don't see any questioning at any point of the Russia hoax.
Not to mention there's the usual "What in the world could that be?" [points left, proceeds to rob everyone over and under the table to the right]:
How did Dominion get ahold of Fox News hosts' "private texts"? Why is some of the court filing redacted?
It's not as bad as the FBI raid, but still, makes it seem like an even more shit-filled nothingburger being spun up like Russiagate.
lots of news people have people on who's opinion they don't believe but allow them to have their say anyway. or at least thats the way it used to be but now it seems like you can only interview people who agree with those who determine what is agreeable.
Yeah, what is it with people assuming that just because someone quotes a public figure or links to a new story on another site that it is some kind of endorsement of what was said by that third party?
https://reason.com/2023/02/17/ohio-train-derailment-is-another-excuse-for-mudslinging-and-conspiracy-theorizing/?comments=true#comment-9930765
Are you saying that Hannity and Carlson strictly limited themselves to interviewing people who made stolen election claims but never expressed any personal belief in stolen election claims?
clearly you are just here to antagonize instead of debate real issues by being obtuse to a train of thoughts
I’ll take that as your admitting Hannity and Carlson went beyond merely interviewing people who promoted the stolen election narrative.
No. You don’t get to slither in here and shitpost another sea lioned tangent to derail the discussion.
So just stop with your jammer troll bullshit.
He can’t stop being stupid.
The process of making plastics involves separating the ethane and methane out of natural gas and heating the methane until it transforms into ethylene, the highly reactive raw material for polyethylene, the most common kind of plastic. The process is ecologically problematic in several ways.
We're not going to tell you about the several, the multitude, the utterly countless ways in which this is ecologically problematic, of course. We're going to link to a site that describes how it works and you'll just have to imagine how terrible this process must. I mean, ethane cracking just sounds bad, so you can imagine how it must look.
Yawn… people can google it…
And google results are 100% reliable and not at all ideologically driven.
And H02 is wte.
And then the Google search will point to dozens of articles all repeating that it's "ecologically problematic" without adding any further detail.
My quick search results were about how increasing uses for ethane is slowing our transition away from fossil fuels and into green energy. There were also concerns about how you dispose of polluted water. I see a lot of stuff like this:
And then I'm also seeing this quote showing up a lot, from this one person being interviewed on a podcast.
So the biggest problem with using ethane cracking to create plastic is that we're still using plastic, and that's clearly a bad thing. An amoral thing. Almost none of the single-use-plastics in the USA end up in the ocean and yet we have to stop using them because so much plastic is going into the ocean.
I do wonder if these people who are so concerned with the environmental aspects of natural gas would have any feelings about Joe Biden blowing up a natural gas pipeline that was still pressurized.
The other day you said you were just speculating, but lately you've dropped any expression of caveats.
A tip in human expression:
If I want to actually discuss something, I'm going to be open-minded and fair and include the appropriate caveats. When I just decide to drop a quip where the conversation clearly isn't about the quip I'm making, I don't include the caveats because they're anti-fun and exhausting to share, and are ultimately irrelevant because it's completely tangential to the conversation.
But I suspect you understand that and are just being a sealion who wants to drag everyone off on a tangent.
"I’m going to be open-minded and fair and include the appropriate caveats. "
This is a foreign concept to Mike.
Yeah, you’re not argumentative at all.
He tried it up above too. He’s a jammer troll.
Last time I checked, the evil US was about number 20 on the list of countries flushing plastic into the ocean, and accounted for less than 1% of the global total. We do a very good job of handling waste, including plastic. But Karens gotta Karen, and watermelons will march on, and now we can't bag groceries for free.
Almost none of the single-use-plastics in the USA end up in the ocean
Where did you hear that? Some 8th grader's science project?
I could only aspire to find a source that credible.
“Everything should be made of wood”.
Oops, wait a minute…
OK, wood and dung.
C'mon, man! It's got "crack" right in the name! Think of the children!
Actually, it’s “cracker.” So, white privilege.
Vaccines are risk free and work perfectly.
Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and an oncology surgeon at the school’s affiliated hospital, noted a recent study from Cedars Sinai found a disturbing 30% increase in heart attack deaths among adults between the ages of 25 and 44 during the first two years of the COVID pandemic.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/covid-vaccine-brings-higher-heart-risk-little-benefit-to-young-men-medical-expert-warns
Misinformation!
Every time I turn on Pandora f the tube, there's at least one vax in every commercial cycle.
Absolute legal immunity must be so awesome.
I'd imagine there's an "public service" effort to raise Northern Idaho's vaccination rates since they are so low.
I’d imagine there’s a “public service” effort to raise Northern Idaho’s heart attack deaths by 30% among adults between the ages of 25 and 44 since they are so low.
FTFY
The statistic you are quoting is from a study that says heart attacks are up 30% in that age group since the COVID-19 pandemic hit, not since COVID-19 vaccinations started.
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-surges-linked-to-spike-in-heart-attacks/
The study had zero to say on the subject of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.
When this is ever more proven, there will be no question that as a democrat shill, you have an ocean of blood on your hands, what will you do?
Or will you just pretend you were never pushing democrat propaganda?
You know what else is low in Northern Idaho? COVID!
Coincidence? I think not.
100% safe and effective!
And profitable!
Any explanation why the increase in heart attacks begin in the 4/2020 to 9/2020 time period of the study? The vaccines weren't available until 12/2020.
If you read the study, they believe it is related to the spike protein. The basis if the mRNA vaccines. The part given to 200 million citizens. So the trade off is 15 million people at risk from heart attacks from covid infections and shifted to 200+ million at risk from spike protein in the vaccine.
On top of that natural immunity fights off multiple parts of covid, so reinvention is lower than those who are vaccinated. And 3 month injections causes a continuous level of spike proteins in patients.
This has been discussed by many doctors and scientists.
You took a low risk population, injected the majority with the danger, and increased risks of reinfection later. They made things worse.
I did read the study. That's not this study though.
I read the spike protein one too. That is more convincing that the brain inflammation was caused by the vaccine, but it was only a single patient.
No, it is the doctor commenting on the study using other data and analysis out there.
Did you expect a doctoral thesis on it? You can google the doctor for more information. Here is his direct statement regarding it:
“We did not see the uptake before the vaccine was rolled out, but, young people were primarily affected around that same time as well,” he said. “The state of Florida did their own study, looking at heart attacks after the vaccine in particular, and found that there was an 81% increase in sudden death from heart attacks in the months following the vaccine compared to baseline rates. So many people do believe that the vaccine is one of the causes of heart problems in young people.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/covid-vaccine-brings-higher-heart-risk-little-benefit-to-young-men-medical-expert-warns
There is a ton of analysis out there. Not every single piece will be complete and isolated. There is some expectation you're actually following the discussion.
That's a pretty condescending response. I am following the discussion.
I don't expect a thesis, so no need try to give me one. I read the study myself. I looked at the graph myself. I drew my own conclusions seeing an obvious rise in heart attacks before the vaccines were available. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
I read Dr. Marty Makary's interpretation of the study as well as the researchers who performed the study. Makary is at very least bending the truth about what's presented in the study.
The thing is: both the disease and the vaccine can damage the heart.
The fact that the disease is doing it is unavoidable.
The fact that the vaccine is doing is it avoidable. And it limits the use of the vaccine to people where the risk from the vaccine is lower than the risk from the disease.
For the record, I do think the vaccines cause myocarditis and add increased risk without any proven benefit for young healthy people.
Gosh, perhaps the vaccine shouldn't have been based on exactly that part of the virus that actually causes damage to the heart!
Lets go Brandon.
To Save Money, Maybe You Should Skip Breakfast
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/cpi-report-today-january-2023-inflation/card/to-save-money-maybe-you-should-skip-breakfast-fSd6mz0miaAPhUFb2jgy
Wouldn’t kill you to drop a few pounds anyway.
I feel personally attacked. I'm trying!
Do people really NEED all that food?
I mean in fairness, it is a step up from Abrams': "You wouldn't be in financially difficult times if you could have gotten that abortion."
Nobody needs 23 meals every week.
Congress needs to pass a law, no one needs that many meals, especially semi-automatic meals.
(with a bump stock)
You will of course, eat ze bugs.
why stop at not having breakfast lets just have on meal a day of gruel and bread only. You will appreciate you meals more with that simple diet plan and the cost is minimal so you can finally pay more taxes
Nobody needs 23 different flavors of food.
If it worked under Enver Hoxha in Albania and still works under the Kims in North Korea, it will work for us too! Come on, America! Let’s get some more notches in our belts!
The principal told police that a group of Black students gathered several White students in the playground and forced them to say, "Black Lives Matter," against their will, the incident report states.
The suspects also allegedly recorded the White students who were forced to make the statement, police said.
.
Hunsaker told police the students who tried to avoid the situation were chased down, dragged or carried to a particular spot on the playground, with one student getting punched in the head by one of the suspects.
Learning a lot in school these days. A+ activism.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-police-probe-report-black-students-assaulted-forced-white-students-say-black-lives-matter-playground
Any associated hate crime charges, or are hate crimes only committed by the Bleach Demons?
You can't be racist against palm skinned folks.
Well, we've been told Power + Prejudice = Racism. Tell me which group had the power here.
Kendi says the White Devils. Always.
Skin color is the most important thing
No, Marxism is the most important thing. Skin color is just a tactic.
Marxism is just a means. The end goal is pure plain power.
I mean this is what Antifa folks did to people in traffic and on the streets without any punishment right?
Why should these kids expect to be punished when it was widely seen on the internet happening without consequences.
We still in agreement that fascism is from the Right, correct?
More Qanon conspiracies about antifa.
I’d things ever go hot, those idiots will be exterminated in week one.
If left wing protests were real instead of astroturf paid for by the ruling class, the left would be protesting the ruling class nonstop about this.
Emails Reveal Deep Ties Between Jeffrey Epstein, Former Barclays CEO Jes Staley
‘I owe you much,’ Mr. Staley wrote in a 2009 email to Epstein, who had been convicted of soliciting a minor for prostitution
https://www.wsj.com/articles/emails-reveal-deep-ties-between-jeffrey-epstein-former-barclays-ceo-jes-staley-d0af17e5?mod=hp_lead_pos7
Christopher Hand, director of research at the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen, told the publication that signalmen these days spent most of their time on government-mandated tests rather than routine maintenance.
Between this and the Ohio EMA burning off the vinyl chloride, there's a very libertarian angle here about government being overbearing and failing to recognize the consequences of its actions. One would think a libertarian publication such as this would remark on it. One would think.
One would never think this is a libertarian publication.
(at least not this 'one')
"...director of research at the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen..."
This is a real job title?!?!
Well, they could be researching the effects of spending most afternoons at the local tavern.
Why is that so hard to believe?
Railroads are dangerous and utilize a lot of technology -- seems like a situation where some research would be warranted.
In the 19th century railroads were big drivers of research and development.
It’s too bad they’re so racist. Must be the reason it happened. According to your lord, Buttgag.
Hey! Show Christopher Hand some respect! His grandpa, who belonged to another Union, taught history at Ridgemont High!
To be fair, burning the vinyl chloride to prevent a possible explosion isn't necessarily a government-style response (though I admit, I'm not an Expert so I can't judge how reasonable a response it is). The libertarian angle I see here is that despite all the regulations and micromanaging bureaucrats, a massive disaster like this still happened and it seems like the government is primarily interested in helping the Private Company cover it up and avoid liability.
I am an expert in this, at least. Any chemist or environmental consultant/regulator worth his/her salt should know that burning VC creates phosgene gas. That's what was used during WWI as part of gas warfare (along with mustard gas and chlorine gas). Nasty shit. It would've been far better to try to pump off the VC to prevent the creation of phosgene gas.
I'm also concerned about the oily water that's been shown in multiple videos I've seen on Twitter. Those should pumped off and stopped with booms in the water ASAP.
They said they were concerned about the contents exploding. But after residents were evacuated, they were able to release the gas into a trough before igniting it. But if there's a concern about an explosion, perhaps they weren't able to pump the stuff and just had to spill it?
If the rail company itself wasn't even doing maintenance on safety equipment like hotbox detectors, that sounds like private liability for them. But I suppose the libertarian angle is to talk about how regulations sometime cause companies to shift safety burdens onto the government instead of being personally accountable. It does look like a huge civil liability suit here.
The burning of any chlorinated compound also produces dioxin. Which is way worse than phosgene (smells like musty hay)
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5291/5404773309_ea9ea9476f_b.jpg
Dioxins. A whole fucking raft of them. Once in the water table they will be there for a very looong time.
Well, it's not quite a "Conservatives Pounce" headline.
1 in 3 teen girls now consider suicide. Trans activism and victim culture is working great. SEL functioning properly.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/02/17/trained-to-hate-their-sex-and-selves-1-in-3-teen-girls-now-considers-suicide/
They're only considering suicide because the left doesn't have absolute power.
Or mom will not let them sleep over at Amy's house.
Diagnoses of ADHD, depression, and anxiety at record levels, and more importantly pseudoseizures and tourette's (which happen to be popularly talked about on TikTok), at the same time Non-binary and trans identities (also super popular on TikTok, not to mention the MSM) increase exponentially...
But this isnt a social contagion. Nope, this is all normal stuff we just didnt notice before
What, are you suggesting that teens cannot think for themselves?
The obvious solution is to give them the vote.
And believe their self-diagnosed medical issues 100% without any follow up questions.
if you dont believe them, they might get sad and kill themselves.
Are you saying you want them to die?!
Soylent Green is made with Canadians!!!
Hungry, Poor, and Disabled Canadians Now Seeking Assisted Suicide
In March 2023, Canada will allow mental health patients with no physical ailments to seek doctor-assisted suicide.
https://www.ncregister.com/cna/hungry-poor-and-disabled-canadians-now-seeking-assisted-suicide
Canadian food bank clients and disabled retirees facing financial insecurity are now considering doctor-assisted suicide to avoid living in poverty, several sources have reported.
“Based on the definitions in the Canadian law, nearly anyone with a chronic medical condition, such as people with disabilities, can be approved for euthanasia,” Alex Schadenberg, executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, told CNA Dec. 12.
“Therefore people with disabilities are requesting euthanasia based on poverty, homelessness, or an inability to receive needed medical treatment, but they are approved for euthanasia based on their disability,” he added.
Meghan Nicholls, CEO of the Mississauga Food Bank in Mississauga, an Ontario city west of Toronto, said demand has increased by 60% since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic. Her food bank network now serves 30,000 people per year, she reported in a Nov. 30 commentary for the Canadian news magazine Maclean’s.
Meanwhile these prog parasites need the US taxpayers to shoot down balloons for them because they can't even do that themselves.
MAID eligibility should expand to minors, patients with mental illness, report recommends
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-maid-eligibility-should-expand-to-minors-patients-with-mental-illness/
Canada should expand assisted dying to include mature minors and patients with mental illnesses, and allow people with illnesses such as dementia to make advance requests for euthanasia, a parliamentary committee report tabled in the House of Commons recommended Wednesday.
If Ottawa actually expanded the availability of medical assistance in dying this widely, Canada would have the most liberal euthanasia law in the world.
But, in a reflection of the continuing public debate around medical assistance in dying, or MAID, the recommendations were not unanimous. A dissenting report by Conservatives on the 17-member committee of MPs and Senators suggested that continued expansions of MAID would be reckless, especially when it came to patients under the age of 18.
“The committee turned a blind eye to the many problems with the existing MAID regime, and instead produced a report that recommended radical expansion,” said Conservative MP Michael Cooper, one of the committee vice-chairs.
But Senator Pamela Wallin, a committee member who supports expansion of assisted dying, said the system has many safeguards. “MAID is always a matter of choice,” she said, noting that, in surveys, Canadians have expressed strong support for advance requests. “Let’s hope the government now acts quickly to answer the needs of Canadians.”
Kelowna man exasperated as elderly friend struggles to receive healthcare at home
https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/370656/Kelowna-man-exasperated-as-elderly-friend-struggles-to-receive-healthcare-at-home
Campbell says that since Castanet began making inquiries on Monday, Obenauer has received increased care, but there was a time when Obenauer’s care providers were talking about signing him up for palliative care and B.C.’s medical assistance in dying program.
“They asked me if I thought Randy would consider the MAiD program and I said, well, no, he doesn’t want to die any sooner than he’s going to die. I was kind of shocked by that,” said Campbell.
Soylent Green, now available in maple flavor!
And tastes just like back bacon.
Half of Americans in a recent survey indicated they believe national news organizations intend to mislead, misinform or persuade the public to adopt a particular point of view through their reporting.
The other half are democrats and followers of ENB.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/02/gallup-knight-survey-half-of-americans-believe-news-organizations-intend-to-mislead-them/
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Can someone start a Bulwark counter like the Yglesias counter?
The way the progressives are into neo-con never-trumpers is a bit creepy.
I'll try to stop calling him Hoodie McStrokebrain. I will not, however, stop using him as an example that Democratic voters are so obedient they'd vote for a candidate in a coma if that's what their party commanded.
Fetterman draws praise for getting help for depression
"On Thursday, the office of Pennsylvania Sen. John Fetterman, a Democrat who was elected to the Senate after a bruising campaign during which he suffered a stroke, announced he had checked himself into the hospital for clinical depression. The statement said Fetterman had experienced depression on and off in his life, but it had only become severe in recent weeks."
I also won't stop pointing out the hypocrisy of a certain white Democrat in this comment section who still won't shut up about Walker (who lost) because he claims to be offended that someone with brain damage would even attempt to become a US Senator.
"Depression"
As in, he is really "depressed" that his brain no longer works, and he cant speak correctly or comprehend language. You know, standard depression that we all face
But can he raise his hand at the right time in the Senate?
He's a dem his Brain never worked
Maybe a road trip to Toronto would cheer him up?
Indeed.He can get treatment in Canada.
I hear Bob and Doug Mckenzie have .
It needs to be MUCH easier to remove elected officials who are clearly unfit for their office to the point where they can't even fulfill the bare minimum requirements of their job. The 25th amendment should itself be amended to include all elected members of congress.
This is not at all a partisan thing for me. I was saying this exact same thing here in these same comments back when John McCain was spending the last several months of his life at home in Arizona dying of cancer and he refused to retire.
I know this idea will probably sound radical to the scum in the media, but I bet if you polled all Americans on it ("Should elected members of congress be removable if they are unfit to the point where they can't even show up to do their job") it would receive overwhelming support regardless of political affiliation.
Maybe they can get Dr. Oz to treat him.
Is his wife channeling Edith Wilson?
Remember, your gas stoves are dangerous, but a chemical train derailment is no big deal.
Billions for Ukraine, nothing for Ohio. Fucking flyover losers. Just die already.
Also, liberals still have an irrational fondness for trains,
Filled with deadly gas...delivered to kulaks and wreckers.
I will say the republican governor of Ohio needs to stand up to the government and get the EPA and FEMA out there this is rediculas. He could go to all the news stations and start complaining even though he is a republican I'm sure they would let him speak on this but he has already capitulated and said everything is fine what a piece of shit
It took ten days for the MSM to even mention the derailment.
FEMA rejected the request for help. Though I hear that they changed their minds....wonder why.....
Also it's just a conspiracy theory to wonder if maybe the water is not yet safe to drink and maybe the government is not telling us the whole story.
Planned Parenthood, along with an abortion provider represented by the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Kentucky, sued to block Kentucky's sweeping abortion laws...
The state interfering with someone's ability to make money.
Maybe. On the other hand, I bet donations to PP, the ACLU, and the DNC are all up.
The Revenge of Tipper Gore.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/17/now-the-speech-police-are-coming-for-gamers/
Videogames developer Ubisoft, known for blockbuster series like Far Cry and Rainbow Six, announced a partnership with Northumbria Police last week. Police will work alongside staff at Ubisoft’s Customer Relationship Centre in Newcastle to tackle the allegedly ‘toxic’ culture that has developed around online gaming.
Ubisoft is already hated by a large number of gamers.
Of course, AC and FC keep selling copies, so I wouldn't expect much more than complaining. Sort of like the Harry Potter "boycott."
"allegedly ‘toxic’ culture that has developed around online gaming."
I think they mean "has always been in online gaming," unless I was just imaging being called a niggerfaggot while playing Tribes or Halo.
Police will work alongside staff at Ubisoft’s Customer Relationship Centre in Newcastle to tackle the allegedly ‘toxic’ culture that has developed around online gaming.
Literally nothing better to do than arrest shit-talking teens? wow
Biden/Fetterman 2024 - its a no brainer.
Wish there was a LIKE button.
+1
They should debate each other.
We'd need subtitles as both would be fairly unintelligible.
And the subtitles will be written by political consultants, without reference to whatever the candidates are actually mumbling.
Ha!
State Reps. Stephen Kinsey (D., Philly) & Eric Nelson (R., Westmoreland) want to lower the driving age to 15 b/c "if Pa. teens wish to work and are legally permitted to do so, they should not be denied the right to travel to their place of employment."
"Also, let's raise the minimum wage so that no one can afford to hire them."
I’ve had people on Twitter argue with me that we should always assume every teen who works needs to make enough money to support their entire family.
OT: I’m pretty happy with the jury I was on recently, we found that the cops violated a persons 4th amendment rights, and awarded damages.
Awesome!
Too bad the damages didn't come out of their personal bank accounts.
I got pulled over last night.
Turned off the engine and got my license out in the 90 seconds before cop approached. Assume he was running my plates.
Cop walked up and said "Just wanted to let you know you have a headlight out in case you didn't realize it. Have a nice night."
That was it. Thanked him and drove off.
Whole interaction last maybe 15-20 seconds.
Sounds like white privilege.
Driving while white.
Reason's Billy Binion looks at a letter that hundreds of contributors to The New York Times sent on Wednesday to express discontent with the paper's coverage of transgender issues.
Journalism.
Where?
It's important for people to grasp reality because no single issue will affect our fiscal future more than Social Security and Medicare...
And the reality is that's the future's problem!
Medicare for all!
I would put a nuclear exchange with Russia at the top of the list.
OnlyFans creators talk A.I. porn.
Are HJ's better when there are extra fingers?
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Well, you could have that three-boobed chick from Total Recall on it.
Or a chick with a prehensile, forked tongue.
In Virginia, a fight is brewing over access to data from period-tracking apps.
Those databases sync themselves.
Does that mean no more facial recognition cameras on the free tampon vending machines in the "men's" rooms?
ENB could stand to make more copious use of an apostrophe-tracking app, amiright?
(See, for instance, Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio using this as an excuse to call for the firing of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. Or The Nation using the opportunity to take shots at capitalism.)
Reason just can't stop with the BOAF SIDEZ bullshit. When will they get it through their heads that there is only one side - Republicans - and everyone else is hardcore leftist need-to-die scum?
*yawn*
It’s so lazy when someone replies to a comment with a mere “yawn”. I would never do that. 😉
No. You just lie, distort, shitpost, and sea lion. You’re a jammer troll.
And how dare ENB quote in the morning links what various public figures have said about current events!
Note once again sarc can't actually criticize anything a Democrat does or fails at.
"At a very boisterous meeting [Wednesday] night in the local high school gym, East Palestine Mayor Trent Conaway told the crowd through a bullhorn that Norfolk Southern would be held accountable," reports The Bulwark. Conaway said: "They screwed up our town, they're going to fix it."
Maybe instead of suing the railroad he should be looking at the government agencies that allowed the burn off. Numerous State and Federal agencies are at fault.
I have seen reports that the burnoff danger was less than leaving the pure chemicals around and polluting the air and ground and water. No idea of what the real tradeoffs are.
Trade-offs? We demand magical perfect solutions. Why else have democracy?
They couldn't come out with a hazmat team and pump the icky stuff into trucks and haul it away?
I used to work for a company that did just that. Clean Harbors Environmental Services. (I was a mere CSR, mind you)
It takes a lot of trucks to haul a train load. Most likely there weren't enough hazardous-waste tank trucks available nearby to haul it all away, and if they'd waited while trucks drove in from hundreds and thousands of miles away, most of the stuff would have soaked into the soil and ground water, or run off into a river. A burn-pit isn't ideal for vinyl chloride and the other chemicals, but it sure beats letting these toxic substances soak into the ground or mix into a natural body of water.
I'm not sure the burnoff wasn't actually the best available option. It looks terrible, and certainly is really bad. But sometimes that's what happens. From what I've read about it, and explosion and large amounts of vinyl chloride being widely distributed would be much more persistently toxic and harder to mitigate/clean up.
That's not to say there weren't major fuckups here, or that someone doesn't need to compensate the victims.
It's past too late for all that. The pollution has already gained ingress in ground water and creeks. Fish dying, even people's livestock dying.
E. Palestine, the latest Love Canal.
Yep. The Love Canal was a case where government actually made the disaster what it became. It tends to piss off many of us as environmental consultants as we feel that the governmental agencies got a free pass for what they did.
1. The chemical company actually used the most modern technology (for the 1950s) to contain the chemical wastes in a landfill. They had no intention of selling the land to another party.
2. The Niagara Falls school district was expanding and wanted the land to put a school on. They pretty much forced the chemical company to sell them the land. The chemical company told them about the wastes and not to disturb the clay seals entombing the chemical wastes.
3. The school district proceeded to ignore this and dig through the clay seals to install a building foundation. They then moved to a new location on the same property when they found chemicals oozing up out of the seal they broke.
4. The school district, in order to raise more money, sold the remainder of the land to a residential developer who then built homes on top of the chemical landfill.
5. Years later, government blames the chemical company for this disaster.
Don't forget the lawyers.
Those leeches seem to make everything worse.
“Those leeches (lawyers) seem to make everything worse.” And that’s before they enter politics!
Wife and I were talking about Love Canal in the context of the Ohio train derailment. I did not know these details. I was around at the time and I'm pretty sure Dan Rather didn't report any of this. Thanks for the info. Very interesting.
Dan was too busy making up fake Bush discharge papers.
Private business is always the villain. A shocking amount of criminals are land developers on tv shows.
That something really bad has happened doesn't mean there aren't ways to keep it from being even worse. Yes, some vinyl chloride escaped into groundwater and other water and is causing serious problems. But the burnoff should reduce the total amount released. And if it was really necessary to avoid an explosion which would disperse lots more VC much further, then it seems like the way to go.
Here in New Mexico, we're quite familiar with "government burnoffs."
If they could drain the material into a trough to burn it (thought I read that somewhere), I'm surprised they couldn't at least pump some of it away into holding trucks/containers so there would be less to burn, but tank cars hold around 30k gallons, so maybe the sheer volume just makes it difficult.
Hmm, almost certainly all 11 cars carrying vinyl chloride were in a row. That would be convenient when adding them to the train and extracting them from the train at its destination.
But maybe it would be wise in the future not to put cars carrying toxic chemicals right next to each other.
It was already on fire, wasn't it? That would make transferring it to another container rather more complicated.
"For what it's worth, the Environmental Protection Agency said the air is safe and public water systems are safe."
Oh yeah? Exactly how many EPA officials are in East Palestine eating the food and drinking the water on a daily basis?
The republicans in the house should offer a bill moving the entire EPA to East Palestine on a permanent basis.
Will they take shifts to man the stocks on the town square?
Imagine even thinking of repeating this regime headline without a hint of suspicion.
Peasants' revolt against green elites.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/17/we-need-a-peasants-revolt-against-the-new-green-feudalism/
Our dumb animal friends often suffer for these puritanical fever dreams of pristine landscapes, too. The Danish billionaires Anders and Anne Holch Povlsen – Scotland’s largest landowners – carried out a cull of red deer in order to plant a load of trees. Meanwhile, the Guardian’s George Monbiot – a big fan of rewilding right back to his 2013 book, Feral – once proposed that Britain’s uplands should be cleared of ‘the white plague’, by which he meant the animals formerly known as sheep. Calling farming ‘the most destructive force ever to have been unleashed by humans’, Monbiot wants us to return to a time when lions stalked around Surrey. Has the clown never seen Jurassic Park?
You know who else wants to exterminate the White Plague?
Ibrim ten kendi?
The black pieces in chess? They're probably tired of always going second.
I'm a huge fan of Pliestocene rewilding for wilderness areas because our environment is still Pliestocene.
But not being idiots about about it, and proper farm management techniques can often sub domesticated animals in for their wild ancestors. Cattle for Wisent and Aurochs, horses for Tarpans, etc.
"It's unclear if any hot-box detector prior to East Palestine notified crews."
So, ... "None did", then?
I've been trying to detect some hot box around here...
Ranked-choice voting failures.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/16/nyc-shows-why-ranked-choice-voting-is-a-liberal-disaster/
It gets worse. In ranked-choice voting, the candidate who gets the most votes doesn’t automatically win. That’s because if no candidate gets more than 50% of the votes, officials start kicking candidates out of the race and redistributing their second-place votes, then their third-place votes and so on. This complicated process repeats until someone gets a majority of all the votes that remain, even if that means ignoring all your top candidates and choosing, say, your fifth pick.
I don't see how this is any different than just ejecting all but the top two candidates and having a run-off election, which is the current practice. This voting procedure actually encourages you to put your actual favorite candidate on the top of the ballot, and then you put your "This person is more electable but I can stomach them" underneath.
I don't get actually see the problem with ranked-choice voting. My first place votes for the libertarian candidate still get counted, but instead of that vote being "wasted," which a lot of the team-reds around here complain about, I can just put the safer Republican as my second-choice vote, and then leave the socialist democrat off my ballot. If the Democrat wins, it's still not because I didn't vote against him.
My first place votes for the libertarian candidate still get counted, but instead of that vote being “wasted,” which a lot of the team-reds around here complain about,
OK, 1000 voters x 3 candidates is 3000 total votes. Voters are free to abstain, this generates no difference between RCV and WTA/FPTP. Where the difference comes in is:
Candidate A: 34% first-line vote
Candidate B: 34% first-line vote
Candidate C: 32% first-line vote
All of Candidate C's voters have two more votes down the ballot, 640 in total, those votes don't get counted and can easily account for more than the margin of error in any/all rounds. In addition to trashing these people's ballots in a discriminatory fashion, if C is the No. 1 second place pick for A and B, you've tossed out the most popular candidate because of the order in which you counted the ballots.
Note, I'm not exactly saying RCV shouldn't be used by anyone, anywhere ever and/or that WTA/FPTP is better either. Just aggravated at the perception that RCV is better/perfect at capturing public perception more completely and accurately *and* will solve all of our TPD, social division, debt, abortion, obesity, and gingivitis issues.
In addition to trashing these people’s ballots in a discriminatory fashion, if C is the No. 1 second place pick for A and B, you’ve tossed out the most popular candidate because of the order in which you counted the ballots.
Imagine if we had a mail in voting system and we decided that the total time, mail out to mail in, would be 24 hours. Ballots would be mailed out on (e.g.) Wednesday at Noon, ballots received at the polling place after Thursday at Noon wouldn’t be counted. Doesn’t matter if 90% of the ballots roll in at 1 p.m. on Thursday in the back of a certified mail truck that they’ve been in for the hour trip between the post office and the polling place, they’re late and don’t get counted.
Imagine people saying that’s the superior method to mailing ballots out months beforehand and continuing to count them for days and weeks after, saying that that’s how you’ll get more libertarian and/or moderate candidates, more restrained government.
All of Candidate C’s voters have two more votes down the ballot, 640 in total, those votes don’t get counted and can easily account for more than the margin of error in any/all rounds.
Those ballots don't get trashed, they start looking at who the second choice on candidate C's ballots are. If all of those 640 votes are for Candidate A, Candidate A wins.
Though I suppose I am seeing a scenario that's questionable-if Candidate C voters refuse to pick a second choice because nobody else is tolerable to them, but all of Candidate A and B voters put C as their second choice, it ends up with a situation where C is perhaps the best compromise candidate but doesn't get elected.
I don't see how that is any worse than the system we currently have, though, and could end up being an improvement. As it is I'm often voting for Candidate C and I don't get any second-choice at all.
So what if Candidate C is 30% B on 2nd option, 70% no second option.
But Candidate B is 80% A on 2nd Option, 20% no second option.
In RCV, Candidate B would beat Candidate A despite Candidate A having more 1st and 2nd place votes than Candidate B who just gains a small amount of Candidate C's choices.
You'll also note a lot of voters simply are removed from the voting pool on the 2nd round.
You’ll also note a lot of voters simply are removed from the voting pool on the 2nd round.
I just disagree with that assessment. The voters for Candidate A would be upset, but all of Candidate B and Candidate C voters preferred Candidate B to Candidate A. So you can't claim that Candidate B wasn't the preferred choice, even if a lot of Candidate B voters preferred A to C.
Those ballots don’t get trashed, they start looking at who the second choice on candidate C’s ballots are.
Sorry, my mistake, the 2nd and 3rd rounds of Candidates A and B get trashed. Your supposition is correct. That is: If A and B are marginally more popular first round, but C is more popular than both second round, C loses despite being the more popular candidate overall, even overwhelmingly so. Interestingly, in the real-world this phenomenon isn't as niche or rare as one might think. Municipalities that switch often see it, within the first handful of elections. Further, this is frequently to the exact opposite of the claims that 3rd party and less popular, more moderate candidates will be helped by RCV.
There are forms of RCV that address this but, almost universally, it's IRV, which doesn't, that gets implemented.
I don’t see how that is any worse than the system we currently have, though, and could end up being an improvement.
Let me be more clear: I'm not saying it's worse. I'm saying it's not any better. Personally, it's not too complicated or convoluted, but, especially in the context of "We can't have Voter ID because 'those people' are too stupid to know where their local DMV is." it factually *is* more complicated/convoluted.
And "could work better" actually is a poor excuse to change election law, given the demonstrated known flaws and the false promises.
I freely admit my argument could, in a different mindset, be perceived as 'perfect as enemy of the better' but, from my perspective, changing to from what we have to perfect rather than better requires the exact same amount of effort either way and the good is more 'kinda, sorta, potentially, sometimes, maybe better'. The whole idea of voting is to choose the most popular candidate. You can have either a dead simple method of doing so that works with low fidelity or a convoluted method that does so perfectly or nearly so. Switching from a simple method with low fidelity to a more convoluted method with slightly higher fidelity when you could just switch to a more convoluted method with perfect or near-perfect fidelity for the exact same cost is a no-brainer.
All RCV does is save the logistical headache of having to head back to the polls, to which, my post about mail in voting. It's a logistical solution to a question of veracity or accuracy.
I freely admit my argument could, in a different mindset, be perceived as ‘perfect as enemy of the better’ but, from my perspective, changing to from what we have to perfect rather than better requires the exact same amount of effort either way and the good is more ‘kinda, sorta, potentially, sometimes, maybe better’. The whole idea of voting is to choose the most popular candidate. You can have either a dead simple method of doing so that works with low fidelity or a convoluted method that does so perfectly or nearly so. Switching from a simple method with low fidelity to a more convoluted method with slightly higher fidelity when you could just switch to a more convoluted method with perfect or near-perfect fidelity for the exact same cost is a no-brainer.
This is all fair enough, I just don't understand what the potential perfect or near-perfect solution is. Even if all it does is streamline the logistics, that's not the worst thing.
Where I live, we had the general election in November, and then we had a runoff election at the end of November. Also, my State Rep passed away after the November election (because of course he was running in very poor health and his health issues were kept out of the news), so we then had another special election the last week in December. There were 6 candidates to replace him, so we went to yet another runoff election early in January. Almost nobody voted in that last election because it was a runoff election for a single race and people can get electoral burnout.
Now, I'm a weirdo who actually cares about state level and local-level politics because they can impact your daily life much more than federal level, so I voted each of the four times, but streamlining the process so we have two elections instead of four isn't a terrible idea.
That is, of course, assuming the government is actually competent to count the ballots properly, but that's going to be an issue regardless of what the voting system is.
That's why ranked choice is garbage.
You don't get compromise candidates. You get the guy nobody else knew enough about to hate.
Even having debate is transphobic.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/16/radical-activists-try-to-silence-debate-on-transgender-kids/
An elementary school teacher near St. Louis emailed the Washington University Transgender Center at the nearby children’s hospital with a problem: After a fifth-grade student had decided she was trans, a number of her friends decided the same. The teacher didn’t want to “discourage” the children, but suspected there might be “other reasons” the friend group all expressed an interest in switching gender.
suspected there might be “other reasons” the friend group all expressed an interest in switching gender.
Like, "Let's fuck with the teacher!"?
Oh, I would have totally done that. And in high school I would insist I identify as a broad who cross dresses as a guy, but is only comfortable showering with girls. Then dare them to prove otherwise.
The paper of Duranty will probably just give into the demands.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/16/dont-bet-on-the-new-york-times-to-resist-trans-extremists/
Two Wednesday letters to the Grey Lady, signed by hundreds of activists, celebrities and Times contributors, attacked the paper over its supposedly “irresponsible, biased coverage of transgender people” and “mix of pseudoscience and euphemistic, charged language.”
The signers clearly meant news reports that outline the actual risks of pediatric gender treatments and social transition without parental consent, as well an opinion piece offering a feisty defense of J.K. Rowling.
they will give into the mob just like the big corporations do.
Most of their writers, and most of their subscribers all want this pseudoscience without any dissent. Its only a matter of time before some struggle sessions for the leadership, and their mea culpa to the trans people they have hurt
I searched on several of the names that signed that open letter. Not one major NY Times contributor.
Let me know when Will Shortz signs the letter. 🙂
Mike even runs defense for the NYT? Is this yo make ENB jealous?
I’m definitely expecting a coup in their newsroom a la when Trump was elected.
Yesterday the NYT ran an opinion piece defending Rowling, and all the top comments, comments with multiple thousands of "recommend(s)", were in favor of Rowling's positions. For a publication that leans as far left as it does in its opinion columns, the subscribers were heavily in favor of Rowling and opposed to trans bullies.
I guess that's why all the discussion is around the letter denouncing Rowling, and few articles on the well regarded piece denouncing trans dogma.
As I mentioned yesterday, I’ve been checking out Mastodon for a few months, where the major server communities are very progressive leaning. A couple of Mastodon users on my feed accused the New York Times of “genocide” yesterday.
Cite?
Perhaps this is a sign that trannies have gone a step too far.
Having been in graduate school in an English department, I became well acquainted with a large number of feminists. I can’t imagine a single one of them would feel good about ketchup packet periods, or dudes infiltrating women’s sports, or being called egg producers/chest feeders.
I'm stating the obvious but trans philosophy is a 180 from everything traditional feminism was for: you can act more masculine, dress more like a man, do a man's job and still be a woman.
Whereas in trans theory, if a girl is not interested in dresses and makeup she might really be a boy. It's deep into what feminists considered to be gender stereotyping.
A little more, and you might actually start to get it.
chest feeders
It is kinda funny how the Trannie movement makes the old chauvinists look polite and congenial. The 80s-era, Type A personality that always called every girl with a large chest "Knockers" and insisted "I meant it as a compliment!" when called out on it was at least being honest.
Imagine letting kindergarteners set the school schedule and curriculum.
as well an opinion piece offering a feisty defense of J.K. Rowling.
Voldemort was trans, and the bitch did everything she could to vilify him.
Sarah Palin Hints About Wanting to Be Trump's Next Running Mate
https://www.newsweek.com/sarah-palin-hints-wanting-donald-trumps-next-running-mate-newsmax-interview-1781498
The only way possible to make KamKam look smart.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Oh, please, god make it so. The entertainment value of the VP debates!
I look forward to the twisted hate and rage on your face when they're sworn into office.
Better start filling out your Newsom 2024 mail-in ballots now. You're going to need a lot of them.
the two dumbest women in all of politics and that says alot considering AOC and Elizabeth Warren are still alive.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
Fucking Pence. If Sarah had been VP, I am sure she would have refused to certify the vote.
"...The "controlled burn of the toxic materials has filled the air and covered surface waters and soil with chemicals,"..."
How dare they in a "kemicalz-free" zone?!
Oops.
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/illinois-hobby-club-believes-pentagon-shot-down-their-12-pico-balloon
"The intelligence community’s current assessment is that these three objects were most likely balloons tied to private companies, recreation, or research institutions studying weather or conducting other scientific research," Biden said Thursday. But now an Illinois-based hobby group which uses $12 balloons with ham radios for a cheap high-altitude hobby says the object shot down over Yukon Territory on Feb. 11 likely belongs to them. NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden also sees this as the likely scenario...
No matter. Don't you know we are at war? Giving up private access to the sky is a small price to pay for total victory.
If you think you, or anyone, has free access to the sky, allow me to introduce you to the FAA.
Markets fall on hot economy — and chance of 0.5% interest rate hikes
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U.S. stocks are cowed by a persistently hot economy — and hawkish rhetoric from the Fed.
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Looking at the January figures, the U.S. economy is firing on all cylinders. A quick recap: The lowest unemployment rate in 53 years. A rebound in consumer spending despite higher prices. And overnight, we found out that the producer price index rose the most in eight months. This almost bizarrely strong economy implies that inflation — while still falling — remains uncomfortably high and sticky.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/17/stock-markets-drop-on-chance-of-0point5percent-interest-rate-hikes.html
#WorstEconomyEver
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
BTW, if turd includes numbers, they are either outright lies or cherry-picked from blatantly biased sources.
turd lies; it's what turd does.
Hey Pluggo! Why'd you leave off the paragraph immediately after your quote?
"This almost bizarrely strong economy implies that inflation — while still falling — remains uncomfortably high and sticky.
For a while, it seemed as if markets could live with that — and even embrace it as a new normal, in which economic growth can exist comfortably with inflation higher than 2%. With each hotter-than-expected inflation report, markets rose.
Until yesterday. Markets finally caved in. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 1.26%, the S&P 500 lost 1.38% and the Nasdaq Composite dropped 1.78%."
Always read Buttplug links, folks. He almost never gets past the first paragraph or the headline, and they usually refute him.
Pluggo left it off as it would totally refute his point. IOW, Turd lies.
Pluggo is here for narcissist supply. People getting upset and spending their limited time to engage him is his goal.
"remains uncomfortably high and sticky."
Gross.
"Hey Pluggo! Why’d you leave off the paragraph immediately after your quote?..."
Why, see note above regarding cherry picking. turd lies; it's what turd does.
He’s such a predictable asshole.
My primary 401(k) is still lower than it was on the day your asshole octogenerian butt-buddy got into office 25 months ago, despite significant contributions by both me and my employer.
I would be better off I had just taken all of my contributions and buried it in a coffee can out in the backyard.
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.." - Rahm Emanuel.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-government-summit-suggests-crisis-events-are-useful-path-globalism
The following clip of Bremmer's speech is yet another example of a globalist saying the quiet part out loud - They view crisis events as useful for furthering centralization, and Bremmer includes the covid pandemic in his list of valuable disasters. Why? He does not elaborate, but it is likely because disasters cause public fear, and fear is easy to exploit. While Bremmer seems to admonish increased "protectionism" and nationalism in recent years, it is clear that he views national tensions as a valuable tool for the eventual end game: Global government.
At this point, they don't give a fuck what we think.
Which is why all this needs another set of Nuremberg trials to scare the fascism out of the bureaucrats for at least one hundred years.
In a debate with Steve Koonin, Andrew Dressler was arguing the affirmative that we need to make drastic changes now to prevent the climate apocalypse. He mostly argues for massive expansion of wind and solar, which he claims can power 90% of our needs, with only 10% coming from fossil fuels (to give you an idea of his levels of delusion).
In his closing, he addressed concerns that such drastic measures would be an infringement on liberty, due to the massive scale of govt control + spending that would infringe upon end users. His response to this was basically: 'So you need to let us do whatever we say needs to happen now, because if things get worse, just wait and see how bad things can get for your liberty when the govt decides it even more emergent'.
No joke, that was his actual pitch. This is always about power and control
I don't think Dressler has rightly considered how willing other people would be to reduce his carbon footprint in the name of their own liberty.
Im sure he assumes, like all the useful idiots, that because he is campaigning for his preferred set of statists, he will always be of the elite that get to keep their privileges. They never think the bill will come to them.
Also entertaining, he starts out his position by saying that he has only one piece of scientific data that he will even mention (as if the crowd isnt interested in it, despite it being an academic debate?) mentions one brief piece of climate propaganda, then goes on to quote a sob story from the prestigious "Rolling Stone Magazine" about how we need to enact his climate plan bc a poor lady with terrible credit in a hot area cant afford her energy bills, as if this situation would not be true regardless of the climate or how we produce energy (assuming it costs actual money still). Then he concludes it with the statist piece I mention above.
They really arent sending their best.
they are flat out telling us their plans out loud and they know they can get away with it because the sheep wont notice or care.
Anyone sounding the alarm is a "conspiracy theorist"
"Ninth Circuit reverses itself, strikes down California ban on ‘forced arbitration’ clauses"
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(CN) — In a major reversal, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals now says a California law banning "forced arbitration" clauses is preempted by federal law and therefore unenforceable.
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A third version of the bill was signed by Governor Gavin Newsom, only to be struck down by a federal judge, though that ruling was partially overturned by the Ninth Circuit in 2021. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce filed a petition for rehearing en banc. In the meantime, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Viking River Cruises, Inc. v. Moriana, which found that parts of another law, the state's Private Attorneys General Act, was preempted by the Federal Arbitration Act. In the wake of that ruling, the Ninth Circuit took the unusual step of withdrawing its own opinion and granting a rehearing..."
https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-circuit-reverses-itself-strikes-down-california-ban-on-forced-arbitration-clauses/
tl;dr
Wannabe POTUS greaseball-Newsom signed a plainly unconstitutional act, the 9th upheld it in a suit, until somebody mentioned a SCOTUS case; ooops, sorry...
Come on. Who is dreamier, Newson or Polis?
(That could be a story for Teen Reason.)
EU goes ESG nuts.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-warns-there-no-escape-its-esg-environment-madness
Impending regulations in the European Union, which is at the forefront on ESG legislation, will soon require tens of thousands of suppliers across the supply chain in Asia to report their ESG performance, said Amfori president Linda Kromjong.
But Buttplug says the people that oppose it are the cult.
Amd that we should just trust in George Soros’ plans for us.
two days ago a trail hauling hazardous chemicals derailed in Van Buren township just outside Detroit. The other day a semi hauling nitric acid was involved in an accident and spilled the contents.
In the past year dozens of food processing plants and storage facilities have burned to the ground. Millions of Americans are sickened by the clot shots forced on them. Public schools are brainwashing and indoctrinating young children into a perverted and deranged trans ideology.
Anyone see a pattern here?
America is being destroyed from within.
meanwhile American taxpayers , at gunpoint, are forced to hand over more than $100 billion to a coke sniffing little midget welfare queen in Ukraine. Nothing though for the people of E. Palestine, Ohio.
Just drink the water and shut up.
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“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste..” – Rahm Emanuel.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-government-summit-suggests-crisis-events-are-useful-path-globalism
The following clip of Bremmer’s speech is yet another example of a globalist saying the quiet part out loud – They view crisis events as useful for furthering centralization, and Bremmer includes the covid pandemic in his list of valuable disasters. Why? He does not elaborate, but it is likely because disasters cause public fear, and fear is easy to exploit. While Bremmer seems to admonish increased “protectionism” and nationalism in recent years, it is clear that he views national tensions as a valuable tool for the eventual end game: Global government.
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two days ago a trail hauling hazardous chemicals derailed in Van Buren township just outside Detroit. The other day a semi hauling nitric acid was involved in an accident and spilled the contents.
In the past year dozens of food processing plants and storage facilities have burned to the ground. Millions of Americans are sickened by the clot shots forced on them. Public schools are brainwashing and indoctrinating young children into a perverted and deranged trans ideology.
Anyone see a pattern here?
America is being destroyed from within.
meanwhile American taxpayers , at gunpoint, are forced to hand over more than $100 billion to a coke sniffing little midget welfare queen in Ukraine. Nothing though for the people of E. Palestine, Ohio.
Just drink the water and shut up.
There are thousands of chemical spills and train derailments every year. On average multiple events every day. Maybe something funny is going on, but listing a few incidents doesn't say anything about that one way or another. Beware of baseline falacies.
Judge tells State of Illinois, tough crap.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/judge-denies-state-s-motion-to-delay-response-to-challenge-of-illinois-gun-ban/article_2d766446-ae46-11ed-9637-47be192eccb9.html
The state’s motion seeking a delay in its required response to a federal lawsuit challenging Illinois’ gun ban was denied Thursday.
The state has already been ordered to detail “each and every item banned” in its response to three of the federal lawsuits challenging the gun and magazine ban. That order came down Monday.
“Although these cases have not been consolidated, the Court wishes to keep them on a similar timetable. Additionally, the Office of the Illinois Attorney General, who recently entered in this case, represents the state defendants in the other three matters that have deadlines of February 28th, March 1st and March 2nd, respectively, so there is no hardship by denying this extension,” McGlynn wrote. “As such, defendants shall respond to [the motion] for Preliminary Injunction on or before March 2, 2023.”
Sometimes it takes a 2X4 across the noggin to get their attention.
https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1626532638730092544?t=p__bOQyBDWmh94pEa3bCmA&s=19
Here’s a series of polls taken in December 2022, about European attitudes towards the conflict in Ukraine.
As Lord Bebo says, these polls measure the effectiveness of propaganda. And as you can see, it is incredibly effective — the people of Europe are completely blind.
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Yes.
Watching a couple of YouTube channels based in Europe, even when the topic is completely unrelated, I’ve seen it in action. Denouncing Russia and claiming more needs to be done is completely embedded.
That correlates well with distrust in government, lowest in Spain and Italy. Those people learned their lessons better.
sorry...
That correlates well with distrust in government, HIGHEST in Spain and Italy. Those people learned their lessons better.
It was also conducted by a Soros organ, so audience may have been a bit stacked for desired results
I never really want to hear the words "Soros" and "organ" in the same sentence.
Ohio Train Derailment Is Another Excuse for Mudslinging and Conspiracy Theorizing
Do you ever have any take on news events that doesn't blame Republicans?
"reports The Bulwark. Conaway said"
Hey, Reason 2005! It's 2023 and Reason is copypasting Neocon magazine articles (three times this week by my count), and calling anger at government incompetence "conspiracy theories"...
Yup, and wait till you hear about how they covered the biggest government censorship op against civilians in American history.
*Golf clap*
Wait until hear about how
Pravdathe New York Times dutifully repeated regime claims denying their now-proven role in the bombing of the Nord Stream Pipeline in an attempt to foment WWIII!!!See, for instance, Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio using this as an excuse to call for the firing of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. Or The Nation using the opportunity to take shots at capitalism.
Yes, because those two responses are completely comparable.
ENB didn't grow up watching Sesame Street:
One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you guess which one of these doesn't belong here?
Now it's time to play our game (time to play our game).
I think we have plenty of excuses to fire Petey over the past 2 years.
Anticapitalist rhetoric or condemnation of a incompetent bureaucrat.
Gee, which would a libertarian choose?
"ENB is the most libertarian person that I know!" - Robby
In other words, the disaster has been fertile ground for conspiracy theorists and partisan mudslinging. (See, for instance, Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio using this as an excuse to call for the firing of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. Or The Nation using the opportunity to take shots at capitalism.)
How is it I'm 11 paragraphs into this story, and I haven't yet heard what the chemicals are?
Unobtanium, kitten whiskers, and HO2.
HO2 is what they use in gaslights.
HO2 is highly flammable, delicious, and makes a great stain remover. It's like liquid adamantim
Hydrogen superoxide (HO2) is, in fact, a thing.
It's also a malaprop by Mike Laursen.
It is, but White Mike claimed it's formula was the one for water when he was calling someone else an idiot and "correcting" them, and then when he was called out on it he doubled down.
Didn’t Mike later claim that it was Tulpa that made that post?
Four or five months later, after trying to lawyer the definition of water in the mean time.
Oh, vinyl chloride... I missed it on the first read-thru.
Per Wiki - vinyl chloride, butyl acrylate, ethylhexyl acrylate and ethylene glycol monobutyl ether
You know, ingredients for Twinkies.
that's a big twinkie.
The Twinkie Defense, eh? Really milking that one!
More pounce to the ounce.
Vinyl chloride - Used to manufacture polyvinyl chloride (PVC) as found in pipes and records. Very toxic and cancer causing, also a fire and explosion hazard. It is also a byproduct of the organic breakdown of dry cleaning agents (TCE and PCE).
Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether - Also known as 2-Butoxyethanol, used as a solvent for paints and surface coatings as well as in cleansers and inks. Acutely hazardous, but breaks down quickly in the environment.
Ethylhexyl acrylate - Used for the preparation of adhesives. Can be explosive with air at a temperature of over 180F.
Isobutylene - Used in the production of a wide variety of products. Highly flammable.
Burning them generally produces less toxic products.
The big issue is vinyl chloride. Burning that produces hydrochloric acid, which may cause a lot of visible immediate damage in the environment but isn’t otherwise a problem.
But it may also produce dioxins, which are persistent and toxic. How much remains to be determined.
And phosgene gas. That nasty shit is also produced by the burning of VC.
And CFC-based refrigerants. Thank goodness we replaced them with HFCs, which only create hydrofluoric acid when burned.
Phosgene degrades relatively quickly in the environment. Also, symptoms occur within a day, so you'd know about significant exposure by now, and it doesn't usually have long term effects.
I think the major health concern is dioxins, and they'll just have to monitor that.
Of course, that's not to minimize the worry and disruption of these people's lives, and I hope they get compensated for it.
A lot of WWI soldiers disagree with the no long term effects part - - - - - - - -
It is listed on Schedule 3 of the Chemical Weapons Convention
Although less toxic than many other chemical weapons such as sarin, phosgene is still regarded as a viable chemical warfare agent
In case of low or moderate quantities of inhaled phosgene, the exposed person is to be monitored and subjected to precautionary therapy, then released after several hours. For higher doses of inhaled phosgene (above 150 ppm × min) a pulmonary edema often develops which can be detected by X-ray imaging and regressive blood oxygen concentration. Inhalation of such high doses can eventually result in fatality within hours up to 2–3 days of the exposure.
The risk connected to a phosgene inhalation is based not so much on its toxicity (which is much lower in comparison to modern chemical weapons like sarin or tabun) but rather on its typical effects: the affected person may not develop any symptoms for hours until an edema appears, at which point it could be too late for medical treatment to assist
Any long term effects are due to lung damage. If you don’t develop symptoms within a day, you’re fine.
Chronic low level exposure has its own risks, but that doesn’t apply here.
calling for the firing of Mayor Pete could only be motivated by partisanship and nothing else.
Democrats don’t have have problems with incompetence. So they see no Sirius with any of this.
Third paragraph: "on February 6, authorities released vinyl chloride"
Thanks Mike!
Whatever would we do without the comment police to point out something that the OP already noticed an hour before.
He missed it on the first read-thru
I'm curious why you just referred to yourself in the third person.
Long-term risks still unclear, experts say. Residents of East Palestine, Ohio, aren't sure if it's safe to stay in the area after a train carrying hazardous materials derailed there and authorities released toxic materials into the air from train cars in danger of blowing up.
Totally appropriate obscure Springsteen song - Roulette.
Ah the talentless fake blue collar worker cashing in on the progressive issue du jour.
Well...yeah. This originally appeared on the "No Nukes" compilation in the 80s.
It's amazing how humans are still going to go extinct in ten years from exactly the same causes as we did in the 1970's and 1980's, isn't it.
I'm still waiting for the killer bees to attack.
Meh. Sharknado or nothing.
Snakes on a plane are too terrifying to contemplate.
Global cooling?
"Conspiracy Theorizing"
Using basic reason to notice that the mainstream story doesnt add up.
Eptstein didnt kill himself.
The country seems to be awash in conspiracy theories at the present moment, I have to wonder if the level today is normal or if we are in a period of high conspiracy levels? If it is a high period what accounts for this level of conspiracy theories?
The people of this country are beset on all sides by state-run disinformation efforts, CIA psyops and outright lies from all officialdom. "conspiracy theory" today just means you're suspicious of what you're being told.
Probably because the MSM, govt, DNC keep telling us every suspicion we have based on our lying eyes is a conspiracy theory, and then they keep coming true.
Its not that we are awash in them, its that they redefined conspiracy theories so they can push propaganda easier
The difference between today and the past is that in the past conspiracy theorists huddled around the radio in the wee hours of the morning to hear the latest, whereas now they just get on the computer. Also in the past former presidents at least pretended to have a bit of class and didn't use their influence to peddle conspiracy bullshit.
Like a former First Lady and President did over Trump's supposed collusion with Russia and Putin? The collusion that was made up of whole cloth from said former First Lady's Presidential campaign?
That was different. Orange Man bad.
well and those conspiracy theorists werent proved correct on a monthly, if not weekly, basis
Please give some examples of these numerous conspiracy theories that have been proven. There have been very few, actually.
COVID lab-leak theory Masks don’t work The six-feet rule was made up The Clinton campaign coordinated with the FBI/CIA and friends in the media to make up the Russian collusion hoax Holdovers from the Obama administration were actively undermining the Trump Administration, including deliberately trying to put General Flynn (and the President) in prison
Fuck it, I could go on for an hour and you'd believe none of it anyway.
Fuck it, I could go on for an hour and you’d believe none of it anyway.
And then come back here tomorrow and ask the same retarded questions as though this never happened because you’re a lying shit-weasel who is not acting in good faith
Whitmer kidnap plot, Jussie Smollett, gain-of-function research, Trump Tower was wire-tapped, Hunter Biden's laptop, Biden's misplaced classified documents, myocarditis....
Shadow banning conservatives isnt real
FB directly coordinating with the White House.
And twitter.
The gun crossed state lines...
You are listing things that were points of contention but were never conspiracy theories.
For example, if there was any conspiracy theory around Hunter Biden’s laptop it was a conspiracy theory among liberals that the laptop was Russian disinformation. That conspiracy theory was debunked, not proven.
Try again, listing only things that actually were conspiracy theories that have proven true.
Actual conspiracy theories or just labeled as such by the dominant media and their political lackeys?
He had all of it right. Just take the ‘L’. You’re just embarrassing yourself now.
Go fuck yourself
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Looks like the original White Knight now has a little white knight of his own.
Good job, Sarcaschmuck.
Kill yourself. You have been provided this numerous times.
another Cite? bro moment from mike L . ha
Please give some examples of these numerous conspiracy theories that have been proven. There have been very few, actually.
You mean in 2023 alone? cause it might take a long time if we go back a few years or even a coupel decades we could be here all day lol
please respond to Derp-o-matic above, and then if you need more, I can give you more
This is on the level of you "reason hasn't mentioned 'dont say gay' more than twice" level. You are either completely oblivious, completely stupid, or lying if you dont know
Mike Laursen has left the building.
Remember when this was a "conspiracy theory" lol
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027
I remember people were literally being banned, shadowbanned, and demonetized for simply saying it.
>> numerous conspiracy theories that have been proven
proven theories no longer theory.
People cannot believe that the current administration is as thoroughly inept at every aspect of their job, failing on even basic things that people once paid no attention to, like food supply and power grids. Many suspect it's deliberate because no one could possibly be this catastrophically bad on everything, all the time.
Those people haven't paid attention to Biden's political history, or the people he hired.
At the moment, it seems as if there is a six-week to two-year lag time for a conspiracy theory to be exposed as the truth. A short listing:
Twitter Files - government interference in social media.
Covid vaccines don't work well.
Hunter Biden laptop coverup by the DOJ.
Gain of function research funded by US in Wuhan.
Covid may have escaped the lab in Wuhan.
" If it is a high period what accounts for this level of conspiracy theories?"
It all depends on how damaging it is to the people in charge and the awareness of the event in question is to the general public. A lot of people know about this train thing? WOW! Look how many conspiracy theorists are around all of a sudden!
My guess would be the increasing reliance on the bureaucratic state to solve every problem, which generally fails to solve any problems and just creates new ones, then they lie and obfuscate about their failures. Then someone FOIAs all their emails and publishes them on the internet so everyone can see how they fucked up and lied about it.
If it is a high period what accounts for this level of conspiracy theories?
Government (and media) control. Ages gone by a conspiracy theory involved UFOs crashing in the middle of nowhere or someone killing a President. The UFO crashing may not even get a reporter assigned to cover it. Now, when a train crashes in Ohio it's notable when the media doesn't cover it and the NTSB has obligations to investigate and/or prevent it; when someone plots to kidnap a Governor, the FBI is behind it.
"If it is a high period what accounts for this level of conspiracy theories?"
You can't be this obtuse.
Name one thing that was called a conspiracy theory by DC media three years ago that didn't turn out to be true.
The reason it seems to you that there's a lot of conspiracy theories is because that's what the perpetrators of various scandals have been dismissing them as.
Most government and media sources knew that things they were dismissing as conspiracy were real, and they lied about it, relying on credulous bien pensants like you to fall for them.
Not only can it be this obtuse, it can also be this ignorant, and this stupid.
As usual, it would be too much to ask of a “journalist” at Reason to actually READ THE TEXTS and provide an independent analysis. Instead, she just repeats the left wing narrative uncritically.
It's far less damning than the lawfare and enb's in-group make it out to be. I don't watch fox news, but suspect the coverage changed as new information became available. Unlike, say those pushing the Russia collusion hoax, or the covid mask/vaccine mandates, or any of the many untrue and frankly bizarre ideas on to which progressives latch.
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White suburban mom grateful that library helps her 10 year old pansexual child
10 year old pansexual child
That seems a bit statutory-rapey. And probably the regular kind, as well.
neurotic attention-seeking crazy lady.
Yup. "Look at me, I'm so special for being such an accepting mother."
Get woke! The right virtue signal is worth your child's mental health and probably its life.
Munchausen by proxy. Been around for as long as neurotic women have roamed the earth.
I wonder how many pills that kid is already on, and how many "allergies" she has.
how many different anti-depressants she is on
Probably NOT to cats - - - - - - - -
White suburban mom grateful that library helps her 10 year old pansexual child
...find a book?
Show me a 10 year old pan/trans/whatever kid, and I'll tell you the politics of the mother.
This is a mix of extreme progressivism and Munchausen's
child abuse crust.
Oh, wait. Yet another twit citation, not real information.
I don't know about you, but when it comes to balloons, I appreciate a President who shoots sidewinders first and asks questions later.
Biden/Harris 2024!
Arizona is using military balloons over the border with Mexico. Two can play.
You're delusional if you think sending a balloon overseas is the same as maintaining border security and keeping it close there.
For decades starting in the 1950's, my father in law was attached to the Pentagon as the highest ranking civilian employee and he was in charge of all railroad transportation of dangerous chemicals in the nation. There never was an accident during his tenure. He said that he was constantly being offered bribes to ignore regs or "look the other way." He never took a cent. Soon after he retired, the accidents began and they've become almost routine. Big government is not bad; it is corrupt government, big or small, that is bad.
Government is inherently corrupt, and worse the larger it gets.
Big government far more difficult to overthrow. Small government is not.
So ENB lumps Marco Rubio's calling for Buttigieg (who's already failed to address several airline meltdowns and other fiascos) to be fired together with the Nation blaming capitalism as acts opportunistic take. Unlike capitalism, isn't Buttigieg technically in charge overseeing "transportation"?
It's debatable whether Buttigieg could have made a difference. What's not debatable is that he, unlike unkie joe, is slow as molasses in responding to the situation. Why, just ask the East Palestinians. They don't know what's going on, and the local government hasn't heard from Joe.
Did you know that Chinese balloon travelled across the continental USA for several days? Biden wouldn't shoot it down in fear of public safety, and now the blowback is pressuring to shoot every UFO out of the sky. Being frozen in place in the face of a developing crisis is he hallmark of this administration.
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• In Virginia, a fight is brewing over access to data from period-tracking apps. ("If you're concerned about a surveillance state newly empowered to snoop through your personal information to possibly prosecute you for procuring an illegal abortion, privacy measures must be much more thorough than merely deleting a period tracking app," noted Reason's Liz Wolfe last summer.)
Literally argued by the same people who favored lockdowns, vaccine passports and contact tracing.
The sponsor of the bill that would protect menstural information from government inspection is Democratic Senator Barbara Favola, from Arlington, Virginia. The Democratic Party of Virginia is backing her.
Can you provide any cites of Favola or the Democratic Party of Virginia promoting lockdowns, vaccine passports, or contact tracing?
Every newspaper since 2020, you disingenuous fuck.
A cite! A cite! My kingdom for a cite!
On Kentucky abortion: the LP has slowly been infiltrated by Kleptocracy looters to get rid of out law-changing planks. The platform has abandoned individual rights for women, now Texas and Kentucky seek to again enslave women as breeder dams. If Germanic faction deletes planks against conscription, that servitude can return, and if muted on censorship, snoops and Comstockists will gladly spy, rob and jail people. Reviving the Equal Rights Amendment could block the use of Cruikshank (1876) to nullify the Bill of Rights and enslave women. (https://bit.ly/3E5X1QZ)
Now Reason is worried about "Mudslinging and Conspiracy Theorizing". But where was Reason when the last President was experiencing "Mudslinging and Conspiracy Theorizing"?
Oh, now I remember, they were supporting that "Mudslinging and Conspiracy Theorizing"!
A terrified mom aired a vid of humic sheen on creek water in East Palestine. Bacteria decompose minerals other than oil and cause iridescence on the water's surface. Soap bubbles display a similar sheen, as does oil on water--no trainwreck required. Train leakage may be dangerous, but humic sheen is common and non-terrifying to biologists. Ignorant fear is what comes of putting teenage environmental patsies in charge of de-industrializing America when they could be learning geometry and how to use litmus paper.
Pete has given us a sufficient answer to the 'problem':
This is hurting black folks more because too many white construction workers in ohio
Hey Pete is gay, making him qualified to do everything
I thought it was a red baseball cap...
Tin foil?
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Mossad asset, but still worked for CIA. CIA-Mossad, no different.
Its not like the FBI or CIA have no history of blackmail.
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The prog identity nomenclature is beginning to look like an automobile VIN.
If this is done how I think it will be, with the involvement of the state and feds, there will be sampling of the soil, surface water, and groundwater by NS's consultant, and split samples with the OEPA and the USEPA. Usually, the consultant of the one who did the spill takes the lead for the cleanup. Nearby and adjacent landowners will have their own consultants who will also perform sampling.
For drinking water, the Maximum Contaminant Level (the federal standard in the Safe Drinking Water Act) for vinyl chloride is 0.002 mg/L or 2 parts per billion. My recollection is that the lab will use EPA method 524.2 for the analysis. Should be in the $175/test range.
The standard does not apply to private wells though is a good guideline.
Keep up! The current super-power is trans.
"Time to cook dinner. Billy, go see if Grandma pooped yet."
Ya, gay was cool like 20 pride parades ago. It hardly moves the needle.
You gotta change your gender somehow to even register. See: Sam Smith
She's just a brown girl in a black and white world.
To counter Nikki Haley, the democrats are getting Mindy Kaling into politics.
Coverup of what? There is no evidence of dangerous, persistent contamination. Until there is, what do you want to do for the people?
Anybody can take soil samples and send them for testing. If there is evidence of dangerous contamination, it can't be covered up.
There will be class action lawsuits and courts will resolve this. They'll probably err on the side of compensation for the people who are affected, at the very least for the short term disruption of their lives.
That the FBI had assets on the ground on Jan 6 is all but proven at this point. We know they had infiltrated both the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers and have a lot of information about their plans for that day. They had either some actual field agents or CIs who basically had to be there.
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I heard that if residents want their soil/water tested they will have to sign a waiver indemnifying NS. Not sure that's true.
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But Newsome has better hair than Robby Soave. A pretty high bar. I can't even remember Polis' hair so it must be pretty bad.
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Usually an indemnification like that would state that NS is not responsible for the contents of the report, or their use by a 3rd party, not the chemical spill itself.
Polis doesn't even remember his hair. He's got the Brian Stelter cut.
No one has better hair than Robby.
Why would it not be? I mean, we know the possible combustion products and can test for them, and they did.
What would the government or the railroad gain by lying about it?
Morbidly obese even.
They had to abandon Marxism. In the end, it simply had no class.
That bitch!
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