The Argument That 'America Has Gone Too Far in Legalizing Vice' Ignores the Cost of Prohibition
Is it just to punish the many for the excesses of the few?
In a recent Atlantic essay, physician Matthew Loftus argues that "America has gone too far in legalizing vice." Because people do not always make rational decisions and sometimes develop self-destructive habits, Loftus argues, the government should make it harder, not easier, to engage in pleasurable activities such as gambling and cannabis consumption. "Just as highways have guardrails for the moments when a driver isn't exercising perfect self-control," he writes, "so we also need guardrails to help people from driving off cliffs of vice."
To his credit, Loftus does not draw arbitrary distinctions between potentially harmful habits based on their current legal status. He argues that alcohol prohibition was successful in reducing the harm caused by excessive drinking, for example, and seems to understand that any pleasure-providing or stress-relieving activity can be the focus of an addiction—a point that psychologists such as Stanton Peele and Jeffrey Schaler have been making for many years.
But Loftus exaggerates how often that happens, obscuring the implication that the government should impose restrictions on everyone based on the mistakes of a minority. He cherry-picks data to support his argument that liberalization of marijuana policies has been harmful. And while he emphasizes human fallibility as it relates to "vice" itself, he ignores its perils in formulating laws and regulations aimed at curtailing "vice."
The term that Loftus uses to describe things that people enjoy is telling. The "vice" label implies that even occasional or moderate gambling, drinking, or cannabis consumption is morally suspect and provides no value that is worth considering. That is convenient for the argument in favor of paternalistic policies like the ones that Loftus supports. But it ignores the reality that people who engage in such activities typically do not develop life-disrupting habits they ultimately regret. By and large, these activities are life-enhancing rather than life-disrupting.
Loftus implies otherwise. "Our hearts and minds are shaped not only by reason but also by our experiences, affections, and, most important, our habits, which are just as often inexplicably self-destructive as they are reasonable," he writes.
That is an empirical claim, implying that roughly half of the people who gamble, drink, or use marijuana develop "self-destructive" habits. The evidence does not support that claim.
According to the National Council on Problem Gambling (NCPG), about 60 percent of American adults gamble each year. By comparison, about 1 percent of American adults "are estimated to meet the criteria for severe gambling problems in a given year." That amounts to roughly 2 million people, which is not a trivial problem. But if less than 2 percent of gamblers meet those criteria in a given year, it is clearly not a very common problem.
The NCPG, which was founded in 1972, organizes what it describes as "the world's oldest and largest problem gambling-specific conference." Loftus notes that the organization receives donations from the gambling industry, but he does not question its statistics. He does object to its statement that "the cause of a gambling problem is the individual's inability to control the gambling." He thinks that take misleadingly focuses on individual responsibility instead of the ways the industry lures and profits from problem gamblers.
Loftus complains, for example, that "electronic slot machines are designed to get players addicted" and that "sports-betting companies have enticed colleges and universities to allow them to promote their products on campus, then offered free bets to lure customers in." But if only a small percentage of gamblers have "severe gambling problems," the inherent addictiveness of that activity is plainly not an adequate explanation for those problems. As with other addictions, the explanation has to encompass individual tastes, preferences, and circumstances. The problem lies not in the activity itself but in the gambler's relationship with it.
Likewise with drinking. According to survey data cited by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, 70 percent of American adults consumed alcohol in 2019, while less than 6 percent met the criteria for "alcohol use disorder." That 8 percent rate is considerably higher than the incidence of problem gambling among gamblers but still falls far short of the 50 percent rate that Loftus implies.
The numbers for cannabis are similar. According to the same survey, about 17 percent of Americans 18 or older used marijuana in 2019, while 1.7 percent met the criteria for a "substance use disorder" involving marijuana.
These numbers are obviously relevant in assessing Loftus' claim that choices regarding gambling, alcohol, and marijuana "are just as often inexplicably self-destructive as they are reasonable." They are also relevant in assessing the costs and benefits of the "judicious restrictions" he favors, which include limiting gambling to casinos and allowing marijuana use only for medical purposes. The distribution of those costs and benefits also matters, since these policies impose burdens on all gamblers and marijuana users in the name of protecting the small minority whose excessive behavior causes serious problems.
Those burdens include the threat of arrest and prosecution as well as all of the hazards created by the resulting black markets. When Loftus tries to show that lifting those burdens is nevertheless a mistake, he makes highly misleading use of the available evidence.
Loftus claims, for example, that "the best evidence" indicates that "more teenagers use marijuana when it is legalized in their state." He links to a a 2020 BMC Public Health study that actually looked at past-month marijuana use among 12-to-25-year-olds, not just "teenagers." It does not show what he claims.
Based on nationwide survey data from 1979 through 2016, the researchers reported that "the estimated period effect indicated declines in marijuana use in 1979–1992 and 2001–2006, and increases in 1992–2001 and 2006–2016." That "period effect" was "positively and significantly associated with the proportion of people covered by Medical Marijuana Laws…but was not significantly associated with the Recreational Marijuana Laws." In short, the study included adults as well as teenagers, did not look specifically at trends in states that had legalized marijuana, and found no statistically significant relationship between recreational legalization and increased marijuana use among 12-to-25-year-olds.
Contrary to Loftus' gloss, the "best evidence" indicates that, contrary to prohibitionists' warnings, marijuana legalization is not associated with an increase in underage use. Last year, Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, testified that "in the United States, legalization by some states of marijuana has not been associated with an increase in adolescents' marijuana use."
Loftus is selective in a different way when he discusses alcohol prohibition. His claim that "Prohibition was effective" at reducing "alcohol-related illnesses" has a firmer basis than his claim that marijuana legalization results in more adolescent cannabis consumption. While economists Jeffrey Miron and Angela K. Dills found that state alcohol bans "had a minimal impact" on cirrhosis of the liver, for example, they estimated that national prohibition reduced cirrhosis by 10 to 20 percent.
But that is hardly the whole picture. "Increases in enforcement of drug and alcohol prohibition have been associated with increases in the homicide rate," Miron noted in another study, "and auxiliary evidence suggests this positive correlation reflects a causal effect of prohibition enforcement on homicide." According to Loftus, "there's no evidence that organized crime increased in strength because of Prohibition, merely that it became more visible." But that increased visibility included an increase in deadly violence tied to the black market, which was one of the reasons that people who had previously supported Prohibition turned against it.
Prohibition also was implicated in rampant corruption, injuries and deaths caused by tainted black-market liquor, and invasions of privacy, including erosion of the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. Weighing those costs, which are similar to the problems caused by the war on drugs, requires more than comparing them to the real or imagined benefits of prohibition. It requires value judgments that Loftus barely acknowledges. Is it reasonable to dismiss the pleasure that people derive from using psychoactive substance? Is it just to punish the many for the excesses of the few?
Loftus may trust politicians, who are at least as fallible as the people they govern, to make those judgments and impose "judicious restrictions." But given the case he makes that humans frequently behave irrationally, it is hard to see why.
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Being just as blind to costs, such as theft and assaults, attached to vices is also wrong. We see this often with DAs doing no bail for violent drug addicts and such. There is a cost with both methods. Complaining about one and ignoring the other just shows an argumentative weakness.
And no violence and theft will not go away just because nobody is arrested.
The drug war drives up drug prices. An addict can afford an alcohol addiction by panhandling, but an opiate addict can't. Junkies resort to crime to get their fix funds.
Alcohol sellers don't shoot each other to settle disputes. They fight it out in the market or court.
Assaults? I believe alcohol is the drug most associated with assaults, rarely illegal drugs. Pot probably reduces assaults.
Nope, violence and theft won't go away with legalization, they'll just decrease significantly.
Surely
Nice theory, bro. But legalized drugs doesn’t mean cheap drugs: they’ll be produced under government created corporate monopolies and regulations, compared to an unregulated market with many suppliers right now.
Lol smoking weed will make you paranoid…
You're right, of course. That said, plenty of sober people steal and commit violent crimes, nor do all drug users rob and beat people.
Unfortunately, violence and theft aren't going away anytime soon; they wouldn't go away even if all intoxicants suddenly vanished from the face of the Earth. I'd wager crime would probably increase in that case.
I think we can all agree that stealing and beating people is wrong, regardless of whether you intend to spend the money on smack or a shiny new bicycle.
Yeah, so punish the violence and theft, not the peaceful activities of consenting adults.
Where it all goes wrong is treating drug addicts/problem users like they are victims or just sick rather than as adults who made their choices and who should now bear the consequences for those choices.
But they aren’t bearing the consequences of their choices. They are living at government expense in our city centers, they receive disability and welfare, even if they work they are often still subsidized, and they are being treated by taxpayer subsidized healthcare.
Yo, Reason, just so you know, these are your friends on legalization. Your friends.
“It’s for the children “
We don’t live in Disneyland.
Oh yes we do.
The East German version?
"Airway inflammation and emphysema were more common in marijuana smokers than in nonsmokers and tobacco-only smokers, although variable interobserver agreement and concomitant cigarette smoking among the marijuana-smoking cohort limits our ability to draw strong conclusions."
https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.212611
the claims in your politico article have little to no merit
the lung issues are measured differently from patient to patient and the cannabis cohort is likely picking up cigarettes plus cannabis
These are the same people who want to ban vaping for kids. Even though it's safer than smoking cigarettes.
So what's the solution, require all product to be consumed on the premises of wherever it's bought? No take-out? And then keep them from driving until they're sober?
Yo, Reason, just so you know, these are your friends on legalization. Your friends.
No mention of Ron Paul, also a friend on legalization.
Asking what's good and bad for users is the wrong approach. Too much fat is bad for you. Should we prohibit fat? Too much Coca-Cola is bad for you. Should we abolish Coca-Cola? And on and on.
Just a bunch of do-gooders. There is a political party that collects such voices.
A few years back, people wanted to blame Coca-Cola for the obesity epidemic of the 90s and the 00s. Even though Coca-Cola had been around for a century before that.
Obesity is multi factorial. Sugary drinks are a major contributing factor. Abolishing sugary drinks would greatly reduce obesity.
We don’t need to outlaw them, but we should stop subsidizing corn and sugar. We should also stop socialize the cost of obesity
I believe Diet Coke is an evil concoction and
should be derided publicly ,maybe that would
cut the use down.
The guy practices medicine in Kenya. Enough said.
Physician, fuck thyself.
A lot more kids in my high school classes stoned than there used to be. Downside of legalization is normalization.
Legalizing it makes the product safer though. People don't typically die from "overdoses" even though it's called that. They die from tainted product, because when it's illegal you can't sue the company producing it. Same thing with gang violence. Alcohol prohibition created gangland warfare. Drug prohibition did the same thing. You don't see Miller-Coors and Anheuser-Busch having drive-by shootings against each other, do you?
That sort of comes and goes too. When I was in high school in the early 90s, seemed like everyone was stoned. Or on acid some days. Good times.
'In a recent Atlantic essay, physician Matthew Loftus argues that "America has gone too far in legalizing vice." Because people do not always make rational decisions and sometimes develop self-destructive habits, Loftus argues, the government should make it harder, not easier, to engage in pleasurable activities such as gambling and cannabis consumption.'
I wonder if Loftus wears the full Pilgrim outfit when he goes to Puritan church meetings.
He moonlights as a bible thumper
The people who want to ban gambling are the ones who think state run lotteries are fine. Even though the state run lotteries skim 50% off the top, and private gambling establishments take only 5 to 10%.
If by “private gambling establishments” you are talking about casinos you are massively underestimating their “take”. Card rooms on the other hand it’s about right.
More like double that but nowhere near the State's take.
"I wonder if Loftus wears the full Pilgrim outfit when he goes to Puritan church meetings."
Enough of this Vice nonsense- Calvinists are still divided as to whether damnation may best be achieved by Faith or Good Works.
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"America" is 100s of millions of different lifestyles, opinions, values.
A few can't force their values of all, morally or practically. How do I know? That is the worldwide political paradigm that is failing and has failed forever. It works, in the short run, for an elite at everyone else's expense. Concentrated political power creates concentrated wealth, poverty.
The less initiation of force, threats, the wealthier/happier the populace. Why not eliminate authoritarianism completely? Why not show respect for each person's "right to life" by letting all "live & let live", i.e., run their own life, reaping the benefits, and vice versa?
Anything less is anti-human, uncivilized, disrespectful of others.
Per the NIH, an estimated 10 million people per year fall victim to domestic violence in the United States. Shouldn't we therefore ban any form of cohabitation, within or without the bonds of marriage?
Divorced people suffer financially, too.
Clearly we should ban divorce.
We should abolish government support of single moms. Until we do, we hold fathers accountable for the damage from divorce (though not enough).
The prohibitionists always say the price (in increased violent crime, police corruption, tainted product, and lost privacy and other rights) is worth it to stop the perils of drug (or previously, alcohol) abuse.
But they neglect to mention that the prohibition doesn't stop those perils anyway.
Neither does abolishing prohibition stop those perils.
You incorrectly start with the premise that it does.
As long as the costs and risks of drug use are socialized, there is no libertarian case for legalization.
In a libertarian society, it’s not that you have a lot of happy, healthy drug users, it’s that the negative consequences of drug use make drug use a self limiting problem.
"As long as the costs and risks of drug use are socialized, there is no libertarian case for legalization. "
Bullshit! You can have your silly "my priorities first" argument, but you can't take all of libertarianism with you.
No case? Have you heard of the non-aggression principle? Have you heard of free markets. They're both kinda keystone libertarian points.
Your argument is based on the premise that the drug war prevents more problems than it causes; that it saves more money that it costs. The burden of proof is on you if you want to take away freedom.
No, my argument is based on the fact that drug legalization with socialization of the costs of drug legalization is not a libertarian or free market state of affairs. It doesn't matter if legalizing drugs increases or decreases the costs. You're arguing like a progressive.
But from a purely utilitarian point of view, we know what drug legalization does because drugs are effectively tolerated in much of the country. If it wasn't, our cities wouldn't be flooded with homeless drug addicts, people who would be removed from the street and forced into treatment if we actually enforced drug laws. Instead, we pretend that they are doing nothing illegal and courts then tell us that we need to give them apartments in desirable neighborhoods.
I don't want to take away your freedom, I just lean back and see the country fall apart around me. Drugs are effectively already legalized in the US. US cities are decaying and it's going to get worse. The result will be ever increasing government spending and authoritarianism, and nothing libertarians say or do will make any difference, even faux libertarians like you.
No, my argument is based on the fact that drug legalization with socialization of the costs of drug legalization is not a libertarian or free market state of affairs.
Neither is what we have now. But it would be more so if we didn't use state violence against people who choose to use certain drugs. The costs of drug use are socialized now for drugs that are illegal. You get that either way. So it is on you to demonstrate that it will be so much worse in the case of legalization that the increase in liberty is not worth it.
You're speaking as if we are trying to reach a decision here. We aren't. I'm pointing out inconsistencies in the pro-legalization arguments from "libertarians", not because I care about legalization, but because I care about liberty and the mockery that such "libertarians" make of it. Mixing utilitarian arguments with libertarian ones doesn't work, and neither does "liberty for me but not for thee".
Furthermore, the utilitarian arguments don't work. The fact is that drug use is effectively decriminalized in the US, same as in Portugal and the Netherlands. States at the forefront of this (e.g., California, Oregon) have not shown dramatic improvements that were promised. To the contrary, homelessness and social spending have increased, and quality of life has decreased. At the individual level, a homeless drug addict living in a tent in San Francisco is costing more than a state prison inmate, not receiving effective treatment, and on top of it all, degrading the quality of life of SF tax payers.
What we are discussing here makes no difference to politics in the short term. Voters will get fed up with urban decay, spiraling costs of social services, etc. They'll vote with their feet, and eventually reinstitute draconian policies.
And they will blame anybody who made pro-legalization arguments (including libertarians), and libertarians then get it on the other end too because they are also blamed for refusing to increase social spending to help drug addicts. That's why your kind of libertarianism is self-defeating.
You’re speaking as if we are trying to reach a decision here. We aren’t.
Fair point.
That’s why your kind of libertarianism is self-defeating.
What is my kind of libertarianism? I think drugs should be legalized because out of pure principle I find it morally unacceptable to impose any punishment on a peaceful person for possessing or consuming any substance, or for engaging in any peaceful and voluntary transaction that involves no direct harm to a third party. That's my position. I only get into the utilitarian arguments when other people bring them up.
Yes, as this article does. Look at the title! That's what we are discussing.
That position is also shared by communists, socialists, and progressives.
The libertarian position is that you are free to make your choices AND you must fully bear the consequences of those choices. Free choices with socialization of the consequences is not a libertarian position.
You're using decriminalization of drug use as arguments against legalization. Legalization means legal sales and production.
States at the forefront of this (e.g., California, Oregon) have not shown dramatic improvements that were promised. To the contrary, homelessness and social spending have increased, and quality of life has decreased.
Those states legalized only pot. Their problems are all to do with large and progressive governments, not the tiny step towards personal freedom. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
No, I'm pointing out that there are two sources of negative effects of drug use: (1) the criminality involved in the distribution and sales of drugs, and (2) the effects of drug users.
You argue that legalization would eliminate (1); I argue that those criminals would simply shift to some other criminal enterprise. But leaving that aside...
When it comes to (2), drug use is effectively already legally tolerated, and the effect is clearly bad. How does drug legalization turn a homeless drug addict into a functioning member of society?
There wouldn't be any homeless on the streets of San Francisco if the city arrested homeless drug users under drug laws and forced them into residential treatment programs; that doesn't happen regardless of whether they consume pot or heroin. How is the legalization of more drugs and drug dealing going to fix that?
But from a purely utilitarian point of view, we know what drug legalization does because drugs are effectively tolerated in much of the country..
Not even close…. Sure many areas are tolerant of drug use, but that’s not the problem with prohibition. When you can’t have a free and open market, you get the high prices, gangs, cartels and violence which is the big problem. Most likely tolerating use, but not manufacturing and sales makes it worse.
A conservative prohibitionist calls me a “faux libertarian”? OK, Good luck with your revisionist definition of libertarianism.
I'm neither a conservative nor a prohibitionist. I am a libertarian, which means that I want drugs to be legalized as soon as the costs of drug use are not socialized anymore, because that's the libertarian position.
You are a faux libertarian because (1) you argue from a position of utility not rights, (2) you violate the fundamental principle of free markets and libertarianism, namely that every person must be responsible for the consequences of their actions. You're no different from the average progressive who wants drug legalization.
I can't imagine that anyone wouldn't see that organized crime and the incentive for violence are massively related to prohibition.
You think those criminals suddenly become ditch diggers? They’ll just switch to something different: kidnapping , car jacking, blackmail, … Drug legalization will not reduce overall crime
This is economics. The drug war creates criminals. If the police take a drug dealer off the street. The demand for the drug is still there. Someone else will step in to fill that demand..Maybe a former ditch digger…
If the police take a kidnapper, car jacker, or black mailer off the street, there is no demand for those things. There is no incentive for that criminal to be replaced.
So will criminals become ditch diggers? Yeah eventually through attrition and lack of incentive we will end up with less criminals.
Supply and demand analyses only work in free markets. Criminal activity is not a free market activity. From a criminal point of view, drug users and kidnap victims are simply economic opportunities; whether they choose to participate in the transaction or not is irrelevant to the criminal.
A few percent of the population have a propensity for criminal behavior. We have a large range of legal economic activities for them and a large range of criminal opportunities, and they choose the latter. Reducing or increasing the criminal opportunities at the margins won't change that.
In fact, you get at the real problem here: we have a war on the sale of drugs, not a "war on drugs". If we had a war on drugs, we'd use drug laws to force most homeless into residential treatment programs, both helping them and cleaning up our cities.
Supply and demand analyses only work in free markets.
Sigh…
“from a criminal point of view, drug users and kidnap victims are simply economic opportunities; whether they choose to participate in the transaction or not is irrelevant to the criminal.
Sigh…
I encourage you to spend some time researching these issues rather than redefining reality to fit your conclusions.
In fact, you get at the real problem here: we have a war on the sale of drugs, not a “war on drugs”.
At least we agree at one aspect of reality.
Yeah, I encourage you to do the same. Your views on the beneficial effects of drug legalization clearly are in the minority, they contradict experience, and you have made no sound argument supporting them. So, indeed, go do some research.
No, of course legalization won't instantly make everything better. Professional criminals will find some other way to profitably be criminal. And there will always be a class of real sociopaths. Cutting off one extremely profitable revenue stream for criminals wouldn't hurt and would reduce incentives that create new criminals.
The other point I would make here is that drug dealing and trafficking are largely consensual activities. Willing buyers and sellers. There aren't any victims to those transactions who would report a crime and demand something be done. In the case of kidnapping, carjacking, etc. becoming more common, as you suggest above, there will be real victims who will want something to be done. So it wouldn't be fixed immediately, but it would be a step in the right direction.
So you prefer a situation in which unwilling victims are victimized because then those people will push for more draconian laws?
I think the situation with the war on drugs is arguably preferable. Drug users serve as a honey pot for criminals. We rarely prosecute the users, and don’t even prosecute most low level dealers. And because the criminal activity is limited to small parts of society, most people are unlikely to ever become a victim.
I think you are mistaken about how broadly decriminalized drugs are at the moment. But we aren't going to settle that question here.
And I think that keeping prohibition as a sort of jobs program for criminals is not the best position morally.
And practically. But I appreciate your take even if I disagree. You aren't an idiot and everyone needs to be challenged.
Cities like San Francisco do not arrest and charge people for drug use, any drug use. They even provide injection sites. How is that not a complete decriminalization of drug use?
I’m not saying that the homeless should receive ten year sentences in Sing Sing. But drug laws and drug law enforcement against users are the only way to force users into drug treatment, since given a free choice, they won’t enter it, and because the usual libertarian mechanisms don't exist in the US due to the social welfare state system.
I agree in principle. But we are many, many layers removed from a libertarian society, and right now, that’s what the choice comes down to. My prediction is simply that further drug legalization in isolation will have bad consequences, and that if libertarians get behind this, libertarianism will be blamed along with progressives.
That’s because the actual libertarian position is one of personal choice coupled with personal responsibility. Not only is that the ideological position, it also has the virtue of actually working. Without insisting on personal responsibility, any “libertarian” is just hitching their wagon to the progressives and is going to go down with them.
See; Portugal.
Portugal didn't legalize drugs, it decriminalized them for users when the amounts are small. Sales and drug dealing remain illegal and are punished by multi-year prison sentences.
That's effectively the policy we have in the US already, since statistically, drug use is rarely prosecuted as a crime by itself.
https://www.portugal.com/op-ed/portugal-drug-laws-under-decriminalization-are-drugs-legal-in-portugal/
It isn’t incompetence or ignorance. Those promoting the narrative benefit benefit directly. It isn’t about public safety, it’s about the POWER to CONTROL, and they aren’t “simply misguided,” they are ruthlessly malicious.
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There are lots of ways to discourage people from abusing drugs, it doesn't have to be criminal prosecution by the government.
Can you be specific? Where have these "ways" been effective?
Of course, drug use in the US is effectively not criminalized anyway.
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Drug use is a problem in a small percentage of the population. Most people aren't interested in drug use. And that small percentage of the population that actively drugs causes a disproportionate amount of problems: homelessness, disability, mental illness, etc.
That's why most people don't care about drug (de)criminalization and why the freedom of most people isn't affected. It's like criminalizing stabbing yourself with a knife: it isn't a practical limitation on most people's liberty.
One suspects that Dr. Loftus did not get invited to many parties while in medical school.
According to NIDA funded Monitoring the Future survey has found that marijuana use among high school students has declined since states began legalizing RX and recreational cannabis.
https://monitoringthefuture.org/data/Prevalence.html#drug=%22Marijuana%22
You say that as if that actually is relevant somehow. What are you actually trying to imply?
It should be legalized, however, we should ban advertising Cannabis and we should do something to not make it look like candy. I also think alcohol adds should be banned. If makers want to tout the quality of their product let them do so inside of stores where they are allowed to be sold. Advertising puts messages in the public realm and become negative externalities for kids and people trying to avoid vice. And I don't need bikini-clad pretty people telling me their beer is going to make me belong and be happy. It's all garbage. So why not ban it? And we certainly do not need ads for gambling. If you want to gamble google it.
But we all know this won't happen because money rules everything. This is not about your freedom. It's about the freedom of big vice to make money.