Getting Trump Was More Important to Some Journalists Than Getting the Story Right
The botched pursuit of the Russiagate story illustrates how the media shed credibility.

To retain journalistic credibility, getting a story right is more important than pursuing a crusade.
That's a fair takeaway from a report published this week by the Columbia Journalism Review dissecting the so-called Russiagate saga, during which former President Donald Trump was accused of colluding with Russian officials to win the 2016 election. While pursuing the story, many journalists went well beyond their traditional role of scrutinizing powerful officials and not only openly picked a side in America's escalating political warfare but committed to proving a literal conspiracy theory true, no matter the evidence. It didn't go well.
"The end of the long inquiry into whether Donald Trump was colluding with Russia came in July 2019, when Robert Mueller III, the special counsel, took seven, sometimes painful, hours to essentially say no," former New York Times reporter Jeff Gerth writes at the beginning of his detailed analysis. His old employer was at the center of the frenzy and its editors still defend their efforts, he adds. "But outside of the Times' own bubble, the damage to the credibility of the Times and its peers persists, three years on, and is likely to take on new energy as the nation faces yet another election season animated by antagonism toward the press. At its root was an undeclared war between an entrenched media, and a new kind of disruptive presidency, with its own hyperbolic version of the truth."
The whole piece is worth reading, but make yourself a pot of coffee or crack open a bottle of wine—it's long. Nobody comes off looking especially good. That's true of the former president, though the flaws it reveals in Trump are nothing new to anybody who has watched him and his ego on the national stage. It's true of the FBI agents who joined with too many journalists to fan each other into a hopeful frenzy over the Steele dossier and its assertions that Trump was Putin's puppet. And it's especially true of those members of the press who shed credibility by committing to a narrative that didn't pan out.
"Before the 2016 election, most Americans trusted the traditional media and the trend was positive, according to the Edelman Trust Barometer," Gerth notes. "Today, the U.S. media has the lowest credibility—26 percent—among forty-six nations, according to a 2022 study by the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism."
That Reuters study is echoed by other studies finding minimal trust in the media. But distrust is unevenly spread.
"Americans' trust in the media remains sharply polarized along partisan lines, with 70 percent of Democrats, 14 percent of Republicans and 27 percent of independents saying they have a great deal or fair amount of confidence," according to Gallup polling in October 2022.
That divide is explained by the public perception that the media is not only biased, but out to push an agenda without regard for honesty. Americans "suspect that inaccuracies in reporting are purposeful, with 52 percent believing that reporters misrepresent the facts, and 28 percent believing reporters make them up entirely," a Gallup/Knight poll found in 2020.
Journalistic shenanigans like the Russiagate debacle can only feed such concerns.
Strictly speaking, there's nothing wrong with journalists having a point of view, so long as they're open about it and emphasize getting the story right. You're reading a libertarian publication right now; we do our best to confine our beliefs to interpreting facts that exist independent of our preferences. A partisan press is well-rooted in American history, from the newspapers that gleefully tormented the early presidents to the Republican and Socialist newspapers over which my grandparents screamed at each other. Efforts at "objectivity" in news coverage—however successful—didn't really become the norm until after World War II. And it's likely a passing norm as journalists re-embrace partisanship and find (or don't) supportive audiences.
"A little more than half of the journalists surveyed (55 percent) say that every side does not always deserve equal coverage in the news," Pew Research reported last summer. "By contrast, 22 percent of Americans overall say the same, whereas about three-quarters (76 percent) say journalists should always strive to give all sides equal coverage."
"Beyond Objectivity: Producing Trustworthy News in Today's Newsrooms," published last week by the Knight-Cronkite News Lab, found that "a growing number of journalists of color and younger white reporters, including LGBTQ+ people, believe that objectivity has become an increasingly outdated and divisive concept that prevents truly accurate reporting informed by their own backgrounds, experiences and points of view." Authors Leonard Downie Jr., formerly of the Washington Post, and Arizona State University journalism professor Andrew Heyward wisely recommend that post-objectivity newsrooms should be open with their staff and the public about their core beliefs. But, troublingly, they also suggest that newsroom leaders should "move beyond accuracy to truth."
It's really hard to get to any sort of truth if you bypass accuracy.
"My main conclusion is that journalism's primary missions, informing the public and holding powerful interests accountable, have been undermined by the erosion of journalistic norms and the media's own lack of transparency about its work," Gerth writes in the afterword to his Russiagate post mortem. "One traditional journalistic standard that wasn't always followed in the Trump-Russia coverage is the need to report facts that run counter to the prevailing narrative."
If more of the journalists pursuing the Russiagate story had been scrupulous about getting the facts right, they might have noticed that a story that many wanted to be true was remarkably thin and, ultimately, inaccurate. Failing to perform due diligence did the media no favors when the facts finally emerged and further eroded public trust.
Gerth calls for his colleagues to recommit themselves to "a transparent, unbiased, and accountable media" in order to win back trust and audiences that are increasingly siloed along partisan lines. "Unbiased" is probably a big ask given the inclinations of journalists themselves. It's not even obvious that it ever existed; the media giants that dominated for a few decades were likely more monolithic in their newsroom ideologies than they were truly neutral. But transparency and accountability should be expected of journalists who should be open about their methods and pursue stories, not results.
In the end, no matter what ideologies or causes motivate journalists, nobody will put faith in us if we fail to get the story right.
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Reason should not be throwing stones whilst still in its glass house.
You do realize that this is an article about a report made by someone else, not an original opinion piece, right?
Ohhhhhhh, never mind. That would ruin the fun of insulting the writer what they are reporting on. I'm so sorry. I forget that intellectual honesty and integrity are not welcome in the comments.
I believe that what he is implying is that Reason (or some of the writers) are guilty of some of the same transgressions they are highlighting from the CJR report.
So they shouldn't report on the report? The comment is inane.
God damn youre retarded.
It means reason should do an introspection and state where they too fell into the related narrative traps. Admit to their own culpability to garner more trust. We aren't seeing that in media with the NYT and Wapo holding onto their pulitzers for the hoax.
You can't talk about media being wrong and not admit to getting caught up by the same narratives. It makes you look hypocritical and more dishonest. Something you are very familiar with.
That's the entire point of the euphemism regarding glass houses.
You claim to be intelligent. Try acting like it.
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The article is misleading.
“Some journalists” my ass.
The entire world witnessed 4 consecutive years of 24/7 anti Trump
propaganda.
AND when election irregularities were observed we all witnessed global censorship.
Exactly Rob. The lying liars, Cuomo, Lemon, Acosta, Maddow, spent four long years (plus some), twisting facts, quoting unnamed sources. omitting details and truths, falsely accusing Trump and anyone associated with him with myriads of lies and innuendo.
CNN’s banner on tv ran “WE HATE TRUMP” twenty four hours a day, regardless of whether they were reporting on Trump, or doing a weather report.
There is a reason CNN and MSNBC are no longer considered news. And why their ratings are at the bottom. Serves them right.
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We even get that shit from some of the commenters here. Did you know there is one commenter who regularly proclaims that the Holocaust never happened? He even shitposts a bunch of discredited crackpot nonsense as ‘proof’. He’s been debunked dozens of times but still does this.
Reason’s village idiot also happens to be its town drunk.
Isn't that usually the case?
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He’s a bitchy rageaholic version of Otis from the old Andy Griffith show.
Agreed. He/she is retarded.
That isn't what he said at all.
For fuck's sake Sarcasmic, do you always have to be obtuse?
He's saying Reason shouldn't criticize others for the same mistakes its own editors made without also acknowledging some culpability.
He doesn't understand basic euphemisms. Just like he doesn't understand logical fallacies.
Obtuse? Indeed. He is most certainly rounded at the free end.
When people make such grave mistakes, they should at the very least apologize profusely and commit to doing better; but in fact, they really should resign or be fired.
Reason writers are doing none of those things.
You're not too bright eh?
It is JDs description of the outcome of the report. Very little from the report is in this article. Clearly you didn't read it before rushing to defend reason against all criticism.
Dude has confirmation bias. Reason's opinions align with his, so he is compelled to defend it. Same as SPB.
It's not an opinion. It's a story about a report made by someone else.
So naturally the first response in the comments is "How dare you report on that report when you did what is in the report you hypocrite!"
Would it have been better if they'd just ignored the report and not published the article at all? Were they expected to genuflect and ask forgiveness for perceived slights?
It's called shooting the messenger you asshat.
Most of the article is opinion and not based on the findings in the report. Read the fucking article.
The report is much longer and filled with much more. Ignored in this article.
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It isnt even one story here. Kavanaugh, Trump impeachment, classified documents, blm coverage, WW3 for killing Solimani. Meanwhile ignoring important discussions on J6 non violent protestors, use of FACE act against pro life protestors, school board investigations, etc. Reason is caught up in many of the narratives the media is. They rely on WaPo, NYT, and Twitter, do it is to be expected.
They do occasional push back like Covington or Nancy Rs reporting on the Portland riots. But these stories are few and far between. Their indifference to Covid policies being the most glaring.
One of the worst failures of the MSM was the Covington Students coverage. A total embarrassment one that cost both CNN and WaPo some bucks. Did they learn anything form their failures?
To call themselves journalists would be fraud.
At least with the Covington thing, Robby was on that from just about the start. Took a bunch of grief for it from other media people, too.
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The key thing to remember is that the left media would have gotten away with it if the black racists hadn't posted their video publicly. Even now leftists minimize what the event showed about their methods and how media intentionally lies to support activist extremism.
That is true JohnZ. I am glad to see that printed.
sarc,
Reason participated in the lies because they aligned with their libertine-progressive views. Instead of engaging in journalism, they acted like apparatchiks for the narrative. Until they recognize the disparity between who they say they are versus how they have acted, I have issues with their authenticity. Furthermore, them proceeding as if they were not participants due to the lack of addressing that calls into question their authenticity which opens them up to criticism. Says me.
If they have the stones to get their rocks off by tossing pebbles while still in that glass house, take it for granite that I’ll call them on it.
So they should have ignored the report from Columbia Journalism Review and not written anything at all, because reporting on something compiled by someone else is hypocritical.
Understood.
Not.
Now you’re just willfully misunderstanding because you’re mad.
Grow up, Sarcasmic.
All I see is sarc talking about people and intentionally misunderstanding their arguments. The reason he claims to have muted most of the commentary here.
You don’t understand whereas others here clearly do. It isn’t my obligation to assist you with comprehending.
So they should have ignored the report from Columbia Journalism Review and not written anything at all, because reporting on something compiled by someone else is hypocritical.
Understood.
Notice the conclusion cannot be logically supported from the statement. But his hatred of others compels him to pretend it does so that he can denigrate them and make himself feel superior. What a pathetic little man.
To the contrary: they should not only publish this, they should apologize profusely to their readers and then resign. Or get fired.
Sarc, buddy, seriously what the fuck?
Like, for seriously.
Sarc does not understand the concept of Mea Culpa.
I forget that intellectual honesty and integrity are not welcome in the comments.
They've certainly never existed in your comments.
The point is that this isn't news to anyone that bothered reading Horowitz's IG report from Dec 2019. Mainstream media completely blew that off and moved on to Ukraine-gate.
The main reason being, that gigantic swath of shitweasel media was complicit in the lies being peddled to the American people. Acknowledging the IG report would have been admitting that they printed a gazillion lies about Trump.
You do realize that you are the poster child for this article, right?
“…. the press….. committing to a narrative that didn’t pan out”.
How long until it’s more accurately called out by “the press” as “knowingly lying through their fucking teeth cuz they think they know what’s best for everyone”?
Phrasing matters.
"a growing number of journalists of color and younger white reporters, including LGBTQ+ people, believe that objectivity has become an increasingly outdated and divisive concept that prevents truly accurate reporting informed by their own backgrounds, experiences and points of view."
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Wait until they find out that Hunter S. Thompson was the very image of the old white dude smoking cigars in the good ol' boys club.
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Why are we screwed? There is a wide range of journalism available out there.
As long as the IC and government only capture 80% of media, no big issue.
Propaganda is not journalism. For an example of journalism, take a look at Matt Taibi's reporting on the twitter propaganda.
You just backed up my argument.
You missed the point. There is a narrow range of journalism out there, and lot of propaganda masquerading as journalism.
I disagree. There are lots of sources of journalism all across the left to right political spectrum.
For any news story where the right claims the story was suppressed by “the media” the very people making those claims had no problem finding places to read all about the supposedly suppressed story.
It’s the conservative victimhood narrative that the right uses to justify their own forays into atrocious behavior as “we are just defending ourselves”.
That people already in the small circle of conservatives willing to look for and find news does not undercut the impact of censorship.
When these people, who, like you said, found the story, try to tell others the response is inevitably "I've never heard that before!"
And the numbers here matter. A small group of people who will report on the lies told by the left and the few who listen doesn't undo the fact that the masses consume propaganda and, as a result, become increasingly unlikely to consider non-propaganda.
It doesn't have to be 100% to be effective or a problem.
Roughly half of the voters vote Republican.
The idea that only a tiny number of people are hearing the conservative side of stories is not in evidence. It’s a victimhood narrative conservatives tell themselves.
It is absolutely in evidence. You are such a fucking leftist shill.
When certain information is only disseminated by a small group of journalists and suppressed by the majority, that's a problem.
The reporting by the left wing media, and that is most of the media, about Russia Gate was not journalism, it was propaganda. It was invented by Democrats and amplified by the media, or maybe vice versa. That propaganda did irreparable damage to the US and to the west in general. It was all a salacious lie, and it largely derailed the Trump presidency, which was its aim. The left STILL believes it. I assume you still believe it.
It was a lie, and you are arguing "that's just fine" because a few muffled voices called bullshit. That attitude, or gullibility, is what kept the USSR humming along for a century or so, and incidentally caused a few hundred million deaths of its citizens, a "statistic" as Stalin called it.
You remind me of "Neu Mejican", a long ago commenter on Reason.
“most of the media”
What is your metric? Do you actually know this or is it an emotional truth.
“I assume you still believe it.”
You would be wrong about that.
"You would be wrong about that."
Do you actually know this or is it an emotional truth?
Objective truth is counter to their lived experience. I buy that. Their “lived experience” is an act of trying to deny reality. Men are the best women, remember.
Trying to cater to their lived experience is nothing more than affirming their delusions. We don’t affirm the delusions of schizophrenics or tell heart attack victims that everything is fine because they’d rather eat mountains of bullshit than a salad. Why are so many seeking to affirm their own particular delusions about reality? Especially when they can’t even admit that reality is a thing.
I suggest buying some hemp and preparing some lampposts.
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"A little more than half of the journalists surveyed (55 percent) say that every side does not always deserve equal coverage in the news,"
"a growing number of journalists of color and younger white reporters, including LGBTQ+ people, believe that objectivity has become an increasingly outdated and divisive concept that prevents truly accurate reporting informed by their own backgrounds, experiences and points of view."
Sums up the state of the media right there.
If you reject the idea of objectivity, then you reject the idea of truth and all you are left with is narrative. If you push a narrative that is not supported by facts but by your "personal experience", then you are more propagandist than journalist.
Agreed.
It was like how shocked I was when Nancy Rommelman had those stories she wrote for Reason and how damn good they were. Then thought about it, and realized that she was just doing old fashioned investigative journalism. It was just so freaking different than every other article we get nowadays I was kind of stunned.
Not taking away from Nancy. Her stuff was great and obviously not a part of the propaganda state.
Rommelman was a treasure that would have been common fifty years ago.
It's also a great way to reject ideas based upon ad hominem attacks, which are considered to be persuasive and logical arguments by the left (and certain asshats in the comments).
The Founders had slaves! They couldn't know anything about liberty!
Henry Ford cooperated with Nazis! He couldn't know anything about cars!
MLK didn't support gay marriage! He couldn't know anything about civil rights!
Did you figure out what ad hominem is yet? Of so can you cite an example of your accusation?
Obviously he hasn't.
I sometimes think he deliberately misuses "ad hominem" and "tu quoqe" just to troll. Nobody can be that purposefully stupid for so long.
He just isn't intelligent but believes he is. And due to that contradiction he rages whenever someone points out how he is wrong.
I would think Sarc would be in a good mood right now. It’s the beginning of the month, so he should be swimming in enough welfare cash to keep him swimming in booze for at least a week.
Just call it bothsideism and you can dismiss anything with a wave.
Yeah, the right does consistently dismiss any criticism of both sides as “They did it first! They do it more! They did it worse! So it doesn’t matter when we do it!”
Good point.
So does the left. Neither side is interested in the truth, only their truth,
So does the left.
Since when? The left doesn't pretend to have integrity or morals.
No way you could ever criticize the left.
"So does the left. Neither side is interested in the truth, only their truth,"
One more fucking BOAF SIDES imbecile. Fuck off and die, asshole.
That's both. Learn to spell.
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Geeze, two more lying piles of shit heard from! Congratulations, assholes.
Sevo, you are a sock puppet magnet.
Good one Mr. Douche bag. I'm still processing how fucking clever you think you are.
"Good one Mr. Douche bag. I’m still processing how fucking clever you think you are."
Given your stupidity, I'll look forward to an intelligent response sometime in 2024.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled pile of shit.
“a growing number of journalists of color and younger white reporters,
Skin color is the most important thing
Or is that just a pigment of their imagination?
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This is the key part:
Authors Leonard Downie Jr., formerly of the Washington Post, and Arizona State University journalism professor Andrew Heyward wisely recommend that post-objectivity newsrooms should be open with their staff and the public about their core beliefs. But, troublingly, they also suggest that newsroom leaders should "move beyond accuracy to truth."
ASU has one of the biggest journalism schools in the US. If younger reporters are promoting the marxist idea that accuracy is not as important as whatever solipsistic narrative they're trying to push, then it stands to reason that no one should trust anything coming out of a the keyboard of any journalist under 30 whatsoever. Because their story is likely not only inaccurate and full of holes, they're probably just parroting whatever journolist narrative is being passed around at that time.
FYI, Heyward is the former President of CBS News–in other words, he’s a partisan Democratic hack and should be treated as such. And of course, this thoroughly political creature has the gall to complain that we’re in a “toxic, polarized climate.” Motherfucker, you’re a big part of the problem.
CBS? Journalistic track record? I’d Rather not discuss that.
Is it any wonder that Buzzfeed thinks they can replace all their "writers" with ChatGTP AI-generated junk?
Chances are, it's going to be an improvement over what they currently generate!
Anyone who disparages objectivity is not a journalist, he is a propagandist.
-jcr
Are you going to let JD talk to you like that Sullum?
Was so hopeful maybe reason saw the light and would write a balanced article... then the first person they blame...
Nobody comes off looking especially good. That's true of the former president, though the flaws it reveals in Trump are nothing new to anybody who has watched him and his ego on the national stage.
They blame Trump for wearing the skirt. The very first finger pointed in this article is at Trump. Trump forced the media and IC to go after him.
Just amazing stuff.
And it's especially true of those members of the press who shed credibility by committing to a narrative that didn't pan out.
That pesky narrative. Never baking the way you want it to.
You're reading a libertarian publication right now; we do our best to confine our beliefs to interpreting facts that exist independent of our preferences.
Cite?
I mean it's not wrong. Multiple current and former tech CEOs flat out saying "We were told what to censor." and Reason was still confining their beliefs in interpreting those facts.
Even now, FB/Meta is dying and Reason seems to think that's some sort of natural business-cycle, circle-of-life process, blissfully unbelieving and/or unaware that the Deep State that held Meta's reins is already latched into OpenAI/ChatGPT or any one of a dozen other nascent businesses.
My problem is their claim independent of their preferences. Just not a true statement. Compare the narratives they pushed to the article on who they'd vote for.
And the majority of their sourcing is from the industry the report calls out. When have they ever sourced from daily wire, federalist, mises, etc. They don't. Because they utilize preferences.
If more of the journalists pursuing the Russiagate story had been scrupulous about getting the facts right, they might have noticed that a story that many wanted to be true was remarkably thin and, ultimately, inaccurate. Failing to perform due diligence did the media no favors when the facts finally emerged and further eroded public trust.
Facts evolved. The Russian hoax story was obvious to anyone who gave it a modicum of thought. By the time it got to the Nunes Memo it was clearly and IC setup. The problem is the media, including reason, didnt want to do the diligence because they wanted the outcome to be brutal to the President they hated.
You can't say our bad when facts "emerge" when you relied in no facts to push a narrative.
Facts change!
Except they didn't. It was always a fact free hoax but they never bothered to investigate, instead relying on "unnamed sources" that live in their heads. They lied, knew they were lying and the only facts that evolved were the intrusion of reality in their fantasy.
Objective facts are a bourgeois conceit. The Truth about what was happening back then, as it was understood back then, is not The Truth about what was happening back then, as it is understood now. Citizens, please enroll immediately in a remedial Dialectics course.
You can’t say our bad when facts “emerge” when you relied in no facts to push a narrative.
Or, like the NeverTrumper neocons, simply swallowed whatever was coming out of the mainstream media at the time because you were butt-blasted at having the party snatched out of your indolent fingers.
We knew within a few weeks Russia Collusion was a hoax, just as we knew the Biden Laptop was real within a few days. In fact we knew the laptop was real before the Russian Misinformation memo was even published. This assertion we needed years of investigation to reach this conclusion is designed to protect those who supported these hoaxes by wrongly claiming they were doing so before the truth was fully known.
"...we knew the Biden Laptop was real within a few days. In fact we knew the laptop was real before the Russian Misinformation memo was even published..."
turd has gone from:
"It's a hoax'
to
'It only matters b/c dick pics'
I was going to sarcastically whine and cry and bitch and moan about how mean Reason was sooooo meeeaaaannnn to the Most Libertarian President Ever, along with some crying noises, but serious people beat me to it.
Cite? You've become an even greater parody of the loser you've been for years. Congrats buddy.
So you're admitting that everyone was right after all, but trying to be maximally douchey in doing so?
Usually "mea culpa" is what you say when admitting fault, Sarc.
The buffoon is ruled by his TDS, and alcoholism.
Journalists purposely not performing their job and instead blindly repeating a false narrative then smugly ignoring that should be called out on that always.
The problem that the libertarian readership has with that as well as with the apparatchiks such as yourself, the pedophile, the narcissist, the ENB simp, and the schizophrenic is the lack of remorse. Feelingz don’t change facts.
"The next generation is so fucked." -Plato
It's not just the Russiagate story and it hasn't just been the last 6 years, either.
Look at even the terms they use for political protesters turned rioters on each side. When a couple of rogue Republicans join the Democrats to pass a bill, it's 'bipartisan', but when a couple of rogue Democrats join Republicans to block something, it's not. Odd.
When the right asserts something that the left disputes, it's 'debunked' now - a word that used to mean 'proven false' - on the mere word of the Democratic spokesperson, without supporting evidence demanded of any kind. It's obvious they are carrying water for one side only. Even, apparently, to 77% of independents.
Reason called the Kavanaugh claims credible despite the outlandishness of her entire claim.
Kavanaugh was probably one of the biggest examples, and most egregious.
He was a proxy to rail against Trump, and to push the DNC talking points.
And they pushed the "credible women" talking point despite the women actually not being credible, and they have been absolutely silent on the lady who says Biden kissed and finger banged her.
They dont have standards, and frankly they are showing us that they dont much care to. Its just about power by any means necessary
The biggest things about the Kavanaugh debacle, in order, for me:
1) Feinstein SAT on this accusation until right at the end of confirmation, when it would be most effective. They did not even try to hide this.
2) The accusations were vague and not credible - or even falsifiable - because of the complete lack of specifics and the decades of time lapse. As more 'accusers' came forward, the less credible and more outlandish the accusation became.
3) The more obvious it became that the accusations were bunk, the more egregious it appeared to me that the Democrats were willing to put this man and his family through this farce of an ordeal. Yet they persisted, with no empathy or regard to decency whatsoever.
I will never vote for another Democrat in a national election again. That was it for me.
That along with the Covington School debacle which the MSM totally embarrassed themselves over. Are they ashamed over it?
Hell no.
I don't know, the "peaceful protest" video with the burning building and looters in the background kinda sums up the media's honesty and grip on reality today.
"And they pushed the “credible women” talking point despite the women actually not being credible, and they have been absolutely silent on the lady who says Biden kissed and finger banged her."
Bill Maher wasn't; he was quite loud in telling Tara Reid that she should have kept her mouth shut as the accusation hurt Biden's chances of beating Trump. So much for MeToo and Believe all Women.
It is not just that their judgement is often wrong. The tell is that their judgement is reliably and predictably wrong.
Which tells you they are not mistakes.
This article is just another form of lying.
"This article is just another form of lying."
This.
I know quite a few democrats that swallowed her entire story. This is an example of why democrats as a group are credulous idiots. I have absolutely no respect for anyone who is an unrepentant democrat anymore.
Another example is the 1619 nonsense. Evidence that questioned the Times "truth" was straight out ignored. Or shot down with cries of racism.
Look at even the terms they use for political protesters turned rioters on each side. When a couple of rogue Republicans join the Democrats to pass a bill, it’s ‘bipartisan’, but when a couple of rogue Democrats join Republicans to block something, it’s not. Odd.
Sports Illustrated carried a story in the 80s about AGW and winter sports. Maybe it was just the one author's editorial bent, maybe it was a fundamental political shift in the magazine away from sports and sports analysis. The intervening decades, including doubling and tripling down on the AGW content and even going so far as to (e.g.) blame Bush for it, give every indication of the latter... and to an insane degree... across all magazines and media.
This has been a fundamental point about TDS; if you believe the TDS bullshit you believed the past 6 yrs., believe now, you couldn't have believed the aspects of liberty that you said you believed all along. Same thing with the Branch COVIDiocy. You didn't believe in free speech or free association all along, you only believed it because the sun was shining. When things got dark and the shit hit the fan, you shoved the old people in front of you and tripped up children in order to do anything you think will save your own skin.
People like Tuccille aren't apologizing because they're sorry. Many of them are more egomaniacal and sociopathic than Trump. They're apologizing because that's what other people do when they want their job or their audience back. Audiences like it when people act like they're sorry.
I am a teacher. Invariably at some point I have to call a student out for their behavior. They say they are sorry and we move along. Eventually the trouble makers become consistent in needing to say they are sorry. These are high school kids, mind you.
So it comes as a great shock when, once the pattern is obvious, thru day they are sorry and instead of accepting this I look them straight in the face and say "No you aren't. Don't lie to me."
Aghast they ask what I mean. I say, "If you were sorry your behavior would be different. That it isn't proves you don't have any concern for other people because you are selfish and a liar."
This is like that.
"Strictly speaking, there's nothing wrong with journalists having a point of view"
Yes, there is. At least when you're part of the traditional media. For a long time journalists were reporters. And for the most part kept their opinions to themselves. Want to have an opinion? Go to the editorial pages. Now we see news pieces written from the writers truth, or analysis which really is an editorial with a new name.
Yes, there is. At least when you’re part of the traditional media. For a long time journalists were reporters. And for the most part kept their opinions to themselves.
That was mostly driven by the civic consensus that emerged during and shortly after World War II. The press had mostly been a very partisan creature up until that point; the Chicago Tribune was one of FDR's implacable enemies, for instance, and reported that he was actually trying to provoke one of the Axis into attacking the US so he could justify declaring war in response (a not unreasonable assumption given the military buildup that took place from 1939-1941).
The war led to a brief mindset that "we're all Americans" and that should trump any partisan considerations. Hence, most post-war journalism tended to be very anodyne and about as close to objective as we could ever expect, with some exceptions such as the Alger Hiss case. That started to turn during the 1960 election when the media got dazzled by JFK in his race against Nixon, whom the press had largely despised ever since he took down progressive darling Helen Gahagan Douglas.
Which is interesting as JFK quietly gave money under the table to Nixon in his campaign against her in the 1950 Senate election. JFK and Nixon shared a dislike of communism and a dislike of her.
The media at the time were desperate for some Dem golden boy to emerge that could drive generational and cross-demographic excitement, given their party was showing signs of breaking apart along sectional lines. JFK was tailor-made for them to drive that narrative; 1960 was really the election that made the black vote permanently Democratic, for instance, and the party and their media allies have essentially followed that promotional model for their politicians ever since. Look at any "young voice with a fresh perspective" newspiece and you're basically just rereading something these same tards wrote in 1960.
Ahh, Reason, irony is not dead.
Sure, Russiagate was absolutely the journos taking off their masks to show they are political activists with an axe to grind...but its in no way the whole story. It was just the prologue. And its just one where we happen to have a lot of evidence now that it was manufactured. Trust that if said evidence was not released, they would still be throwing Russia allegations around.
How about COVID? How about full throated support for an FBI raid? How about rooting on racial justice riots while he was in office and massively toning that down while Biden was in?
And Trump may be the most obvious target, but that's not the game. The target is 'anything the DNC is against'. How many articles have we seen every time Ron Desantis takes a breath? Ya, exactly
One of the last straws for me with the WaPo was the riots in Portland and Seattle. They literally had stories written by activists that were PR pieces.
Reason screamed loudly about unmarked vans and officers without names on their badges. Outside of Nancy R they largely ignored the violence. Declaring proudly most instances were non violent. Ignoring the graft of BLM and the use of lies to push for policy changes at the federal level.
Or as CNN reported them as "mostly peaceful but fiery".
And the biggest issue with the masks off was journalists showing how easily they are manipulated by the IC and the DNC. That is the true error. There was virtually no skepticism favoring one of two parties.
The opposite of this is watching media continue to defend the DNC against the hunter laptop.
I'm not sure that manipulation and cooperation are the same thing.
It doesn’t matter who the next conservative Republican candidate is. The liberal press will attack and smear and lie with impunity.
Remember Romney? “Binders of Women” as though he had a huge black book of hookers instead of actually having resumes of qualified females to fill political posts.
Romney took the family pet on vacation with the whole family. The dog got car sick. The press made it sound like Romney tortured animals for a laugh.
It will be no different for the next republican presidential candidate.
And considering that Romney, to this day, seeks the admiration of the press, and that he, and Republicans like him, complain that President Trump has ruined the Republican Party, I cannot help but have the impression that the biggest complaint about President Trump is that he'd rather fight the press, than make amends with them -- and that a Republican Party that goes along to get along is considered better, in the eyes of these Republicans, than a Republican Party that fights the Democrats and seeks to do the right thing -- and in particular, the things that their constituents want!
Ayers told us what they would do in Rules for Radicals.
we do our best to confine our beliefs to interpreting facts that exist independent of our preferences
I give this statement 3 out of 5 "superficially credible accusations".
Their best is often checking what Twitter is saying.
Reason: We got caught. So here's a new set of lies, mostly about the old lies, but also cover for the ones we haven't told yet.
TooSilly, you are a spineless sack of shit.
"Ya I raped her, that's true, but she was asking for it" is what this amounts to
The truth should not have worn that short skirt.
Also, not raping her was politically inconvenient.
Meanwhile, over at FOX...
Funny how these, "The media is so biased..." stories never touch on right-wing fever stories. But the LGBTQ and others are soooo not into objectivity. Unlike Tucker Carlson and the other white men at FOX who are what, fair and balanced?
Hey, I'm all for calling out bad journalism (like this article) but come on. We know the game being played. If you want to call attention to bias in the mainstream media at least try to be impartial. Otherwise, this is a twisted joke.
Reason attacks fox often, especially on gender theory. What the fuck are you talking about? The don't attack the Atlantic or wapo or NYT.
Which fever story are you referencing? Accurate stories of cultural marxism being pushed to schools? Schools hiding and encouraging transgenderism? These are factual stories.
So be specific. Which story?
Apparently some people find it unlibertarian to criticize public monies being spent to promote a political ideology.
At least when the ideology is Marxism.
Hell, ENB gets her morning Roundup links straight from the Atlantic, WaPo, and NYT.
He can’t. I hear this “but Fox News!” crap all the time. But then they either have no examples or just don’t like what they report.
I don't watch FoxNews, any of their shows, but I would occasionally catch a few minutes of Sean Hannity on talk radio when he was on the radio (is he still on the radio? I stopped listening to that particular station when Boortz retired and I also stopped needing the traffic news every 5 minutes.) Didn't really care for the show, but when I got in the car to go home, it was still tuned to the talk station I listened to on the way to work, so I would accidentally catch some of the show before I remembered I didn't really want to listen.
I was in a car with a fried some years back and mentioned something that I had heard in the 3 minutes my radio was left on Hannity's show. He made a face and said "Sean Hannity...that little ball of racism."
I asked him why he would say that. Was there something he heard Hannity say or something he read about Hannity that gave him that opinion. He said that he had never heard any of Hannity's show, would never ever watch it or listen to it. He said that he was not actually aware of a reason why he decided to proclaim Hannity was racist. "But everyone knows he is...he's on Fox News."
So I asked: "do you watch Fox News"? Have you seen anything in particular on Fox News to make you say that Fox News is racist? Pretty much the same answers. "Everybody knows Fox News is full of racists."
I think he might have realized the point I was trying to make, and was prepared to keep pushing. But at that point, my wife knew what was about to happen and she said "Stop talking about that. Let it go, both of you."
Their only analysis is "they disagree with us and therefore they're racist". Their entire education system and cult onboarding is designed to teach them this input and conclusion is applicable to all circumstances.
I’ve lost any tolerance for people like that. We’ve been humoring them, and going along to get along. Look where that’s left us.
I slap that shit down hard. I don’t care if some retarded leftist fool likes me. Their opinions are already without value.
I’ll say that, after watching a few Fox News segments recently, much of it is garbage rooted in truth.
The segment will start off well enough, but will almost inevitably veer off into hackery.
"...Hey, I’m all for calling out bad journalism (like this article) but come on. We know the game being played. If you want to call attention to bias in the mainstream media at least try to be impartial. Otherwise, this is a twisted joke."
Herashit lies; it’s all he ever does. Herashit is a TDS-addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Herashit lies; it’s what he does. Herashit is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Woof, an entire Viking shield wall doesn't deflect as much as this post does.
This was an attempted (and by some metrics, a successful one) coup by deep state actors in collusion with the establishment media.
As Taibbi notes, this is what would have amounted to career-ending fabrication... at one point in the past.
Of course newspapers, journalists and the press in general will push narratives and fudge facts, gloss over counter evidence etc., when they want a certain outcome.
But there's a big difference between a Hearst newspaper promoting a b-list actress that's the girlfriend of Mr. Randolf Hearst, and a massive, coordinated fabrication of a single story stemming from deep state actors working hand-in-glove with all the major media organizations and journalists. When was the last time the New York Times "built its entire newsroom around [a single story]" expressly designed to take down a sitting president.
Again, the Sam Harris diatribe is incredibly informative into how the thinking goes:
"Anything is justified in keeping Trump from the levers of power."
And when anything literally means anything, I'm never trusting you again.
I wonder if any of them get this?
We have JD writing this report in the 3rd person, as if he never fell for any of it.
That takes a big pair, right there. Dude is still penning DNC coordinated propaganda pieces regularly. My assumption is that this is a directive from whoever cuts the checks.... but you still have the awareness of any normal human being.
On the Podcasts Matt Welch talks of these things as if other people went to far, when he literally turned red in the face and sent flecks of spittle in every direction whenever speaking of Trump. From the "he is delusional and paranoid for thinking someone is tapping the phones" through Biden's inauguration, there is not a single step of this hoax that any writer at Reason was able to sus out.
Only Soave has been able to speak yo the censorship regime, albeit softly and late.
A mea culpa by the media requires an admission of the mea, along with an acknowledgement of what they are culpable for.
He also threw out cute little jokes about massacring conservatives. Fuck him.
"...But there’s a big difference between a Hearst newspaper promoting a b-list actress that’s the girlfriend of Mr. Randolf Hearst, and a massive, coordinated fabrication of a single story stemming from deep state actors working hand-in-glove with all the major media organizations and journalists. When was the last time the New York Times “built its entire newsroom around [a single story]” expressly designed to take down a sitting president..."
And then using the same techniques to corrupt the next election!
If this wasn't a coup, it'll do until something better comes along and we get white-bread stories here about 'history', 'old news'.
See above, lefty shit. Here's your hat, what's your hurry?
Looking at my DirecTV lineup...news/talk channels include (not counting the various financial news)
ABC
NBC
CBS
PBS
MSNBC
CNN
CNN/HLN
CNNi
CSPAN1/2
FSTV
BBCW
I give the above a "lean left". Then there's the "lean right".
FOXNews
TheFirst
[Newsmax disallowed]
[OAN disallowed]
There's a lot more left-leaning sources to monitor, which put out a lot more content than FOX ever can. Sure, FOX puts out crap stories, too, and should be called out for it when they do. But the sheer volume of left-leaning sources and the echo chamber they create leads to a ton of crap simply by raw bulk.
If I read/see something on Fox the only place to go for more is "Not-Fox."
But if I see something on CBS, I can go look at CNN. And what do you know? Confirmation! I looked elsewhere and saw it there, too, so it must be true!
This phenomenon is what makes leftist journalism a fundamentally different problem that whatever issues Fox has.
Remember Keith Doberman? He would literally quote something he himself had said earlier in the week as more “accurate sources. He was the epitome of hate.
Olberman?
He was great on SportCenter, but he taught us two things about people:
1. Everyone in media wishes they were a political commentator which shows us who journalism's heroes are.
2. People who are great at something are often still idiots on other subjects.
Pretty sure he's been replaced by Colbert.
Was? He’s still as hate filled as ever. He revived his old ‘Countdown’ show as a podcast. Not that he is intelligent enough to count.
"Getting Trump Was More Important to Some Journalists Than Getting the Story Right"
Water is wet. The sun appears to rise in the east. Even Tuccille will, if given 7 years or so, tumble to an obvious fact.; Sullum, not so much.
Just a shame this wasn't published about November 2016.
And, for all their blather, they would never ever think about getting ahead of any current stories.
Brave truth tellers leading from the back of the pack.
Manning the broom behind the circus parade.
If only. At least that would be useful.
The old adage about "The News" goes something like: "Believe half of what you see and nothing of you read." It also applies to the commentariat.
Most of us here have a pretty good track record regarding the accuracy of our statements. Minus the usual suspects, like White Mike, Drinky McDumbass, Groomer Jeffy, Shrike, etc..
As usual, there are several comments insinuating that Reason pushed the Russiagate narrative. Can anyone provide a link to an example?
How do you know as you have everyone muted. And they have been linked dozens of times sea lion.
"As usual, there are several comments insinuating that Reason pushed the Russiagate narrative. Can anyone provide a link to an example?"
Some of the commentariat here are so obsessed with condemning Reason that I honestly believe their brains filter out anything that doesn't fit the image they have created for themselves.
Yup.
Also, occasionally this or that Reason writer actually does express an opinion or bias that lies outside someone’s strict definition of what a libertarian is allowed to believe. It really seems to bug some members of the commentariat that Reason doesn’t impose a strict orthodoxy on its writers, lets them express personal opinion and thought. Also bugs them that Reason generally has a calm, unemotional style and doesn’t engage in condemnations and ideological diatribes.
"Also, occasionally this or that Reason writer actually does express an opinion or bias that lies outside someone’s strict definition of what a libertarian is allowed to believe."
But of course. The way I see it, there are so many idiots out there claiming to be "libertarians," even including some actual members of the "party," that the term "libertarian" is pretty much meaningless.
Go lick each other’s taints someplace else.
I was wondering if it was a taint self-licking.
Say it taint so!
It wouldn’t surprise me. Probably thinks he’s clever too.
Wtf is point of a mag (and the think tank) that states they are libertarian if they won't practice doctrine libertarianism?
"Wtf is point of a mag (and the think tank) that states they are libertarian if they won’t practice doctrine libertarianism?"
So says the "world authority" on libertarian thinking.
"...So says the “world authority” on libertarian thinking..."
Uh, are you being deliberately disingenuous? I don't have to be a world authority on many issues to make cogent comments on them.
Consider yourself busted.
Yeah, I know. Ever since the Mises Caucus came along I've started calling myself a classical liberal rather than a libertarian. It's embarrassing now that I once was a Libertarian candidate for office.
"Ever since the Mises Caucus came along I’ve started calling myself a classical liberal rather than a libertarian."
Yep, if only the general public had a clue what "classical liberal" actually entailed.
I would love to see your and Mikes definition of classical liberal.
Mike has pushed every DNC narrative of the last 6 years, refusing any and all evidence. Guilty of everything this article discusses.
“I would love to see your and Mikes definition of classical liberal.”
I cannot speak for Mike. My “definition” would be based, primarily, on the writings of the Founders, as well as their influences. Their ideas were not drawn from whole cloth.
Hell, even some medieval writers and philosophers held views we would call “libertarian.” And they were incorporating Greek philosophy.
In other words: such a definition would be a very long book.
I will put it as simple as I can. Classical liberalism should put objective measures above subjective ones where applicable. They should apply reason and analysis as a course measure. Recognize deficiencies in their knowledge base and limit their beliefs on how to control others.
The guy you are agreeing with above is the opposite of that. Again. He has pushed every incorrect narrative since 2016. He hates the MC for shedding the subjective applications from the left he admires, such as bake that cake or antiracism ideals (cultural marxism).
The MC has focused on key core goals of a weakened centralized state and a focus on objective measures with light control.
The reaction to the MC takeover through elections is very telling of the old LP guard. Quite a few regions tried changing election rules post vote to stop the takeover. Some simply left to create their own version of the old guard. The antithesis of rational developments of a party.
"I will put it as simple as I can. Classical liberalism should put objective measures above subjective ones where applicable. They should apply reason and analysis as a course measure. Recognize deficiencies in their knowledge base and limit their beliefs on how to control others."
Nothing wrong with that statement. Well, excepting that "objective," and "reason" are terms that cannot be easily defined within the context of political philosophy, as much as we like to think they can be. Language has its limits.
@Jefferson’s Ghost
And neither you nor Mike have shown anything that resembles being objective or reasonable. That type of thinking has led to the lies the mainstream media has spouted out. That’s a problem.
Jefferson’s Ghost can speak for me on this one. His definition is pretty good.
Read JesseAz's reply just above. You are not a libertarian.
Would you agree with the general outline provided in Dr von Mises’ (relatively) slender treatise Liberalism?
“Ever since the Mises Caucus came along I’ve started calling myself a classical liberal rather than a libertarian.”
That's white Mike?
His pant's are on fire and his ass is catchin'!
You hit on a good point. There really is no party that pursues mostly classical liberal ideas anymore. Every party has splashes of it, but a lot of time it is basically lip service more than anything of actual adherence or belief.
The thing that I think I find the most funny/interesting is that the two major political parties use classical liberal ideas as the standards with which to berate the other party. Yet, they don’t hold up those standards either.
"The thing that I think I find the most funny/interesting is that the two major political parties use classical liberal ideas as the standards with which to berate the other party. Yet, they don’t hold up those standards either."
Yeah. Sometimes I like to refer to myself as an anarcho-capitalist just for fun.
I'm not sure I understand you point?
"I’m not sure I understand you point?"
If I call myself a "libertarian," it most likely results in a multitude of other adjectives, which may or may not be an accurate assessment of my political ideas. If I use the term "anarcho-capitalist," it might send them rushing to an encyclopedia. If that fails, I just tell them my ideas are based on Taoist principles. Either way, the idea is to get people to think outside of their comfy little box.
Ah. I have no idea what that has to do with my comment. But thanks for sharing.
No, you’re a classical Marxist.
That evil MC going back to actual libertarian principles really irked you.
I wouldn't even call you a classical liberal based on all the narratives you've blindly pushed here. A fire extinguisher dem is more apt a description.
I hate the term ‘classical liberal’ even if that probably fits me too. The adjective ‘classical’ really explains nothing itself. It is merely a post-facto denigration of someone else who used the term ‘liberal’ and apparently spoiled it. A post-facto that doesn’t even describe which timeframe is the separation between two versions of ‘liberal’. Where the one that uses the adjective is now looking backwards (which is basically conservative) and is irrelevant to what liberal means going forwards or really ever meant. Is a ‘classical’ liberal turning point only founder era?, antebellum Civil War?, laissez-faire ‘robber baron’ era?, Progressive Era?, New Deal era?, Buckley era ‘conservative’? 1960’s era?
"I hate the term ‘classical liberal’ even if that probably fits me too..."
Yeah, a 'classical liberal' would favor government restrictions on your movements, use the power of the government to force you to wear a mask and get vaccinated!
You pathetic shit...
You’re a classic collectivist.
Then how can you possibly be a democrat? And don’t say you aren’t. You carry endless amounts of water for them and defend all their positions and actions. While simultaneously condemning republicans and everything they do.
What does being wrong have to do with being libertarian or not? Jesus H.
I mean they provide examples above for you to blatantly ignore.
No, that’s YOU.
No. This has been discussed at least a score of times where you have participated. You and a groomer Jeffy always pull this shit. Okaying the selective memory game.
You’re a waste of time, and also an oxygen thief.
They didn't need to. They pushed every other bullshit lie.
some journalists... right.
TikTok version:
When Something You Knew All Along Is Published As A Eureka By The Less Enlightened
“Authors Leonard Downie Jr., formerly of the Washington Post, and Arizona State University journalism professor Andrew Heyward … suggest that newsroom leaders should ‘move beyond accuracy to truth.’”
Wow.
But when Trump “moves beyond accuracy” to what he considers “truth,” these same people call him a liar.
This is worse than hogwash. It is a pseudo-intellectual fig leaf for partisan distortion of facts.
This is worse than hogwash. It is a pseudo-intellectual fig leaf for partisan distortion of facts.
You're still soft-pedaling it.
It's a pseudo-intellectual fig leaf for outright lying.
Lies are the left’s most powerful weapon.
Gmork - The Never Ending Story
None of this is in any way surprising. When Trump became a candidate "journalists" openly stated defeating him justified ignoring all rules and norms. Nobody paying attention needed a postmortem to understand this happened. It's also true this is no a new practice, "journalists" have been propagandists for Dems and even more so for the left generally for decades. The only new facet is how open and extreme they were willing to be in pursuit of this goal at risk to their credibility.
Because this piece treats the Trump emergency action as unique rather than a slight change to the calculation of immediate political impact vs long term credibility (and therefore future political impact) it comes across as disingenuously pretending the Trump emergency was a one time corruption. Inherently this misrepresents what the return to normalcy would be. That normalcy is of course that left wing advocacy remains their top priority but should be less obvious in order to make it more effective. Needless to say for normals this is not an acceptable outcome.
Remember: we’re in a post-truth society.
The facts don’t matter to the media. We’re in The Struggle now, they’ve picked a side and they’re carrying the narrative.
They will omit the truth and lie to your face if it means defeating their political enemies.
Yup. That’s a feature of both major American partisan camps.
1. It’s not happening
2. It’s happening, but only a little
3. It’s happening a lot, but it’s just temporary
4. It’s a good thing!
5. Both sides are doing it! <— you are here
That makes no sense. There was no element of 1 - 4 in my comment.
It doesn't occur in a single comment you ignorant sod.
LOL
Nope. It’s a feature of the left. And you are one of their drones.
Lol. Cite please.
The Struggle is in Session.
The MSM including the press has dropped all pretenses of objectivity. They have recently stated so. Reporting is now done under the idea of activism and propaganda. There isn't a journalist or reporter their salt when it comes to real journalism, which means objective reporting is finished.
Is it any wonder why then Joe Rogan has 11 million viewers while CNN (Crap news Network)can't even muster half a million. Viewership is down across the board in regards to televised news. The news papers are failing and you probably shouldn't trust either the weather reports or baseball scores either.
On the other hand, anyone who dares to actually report the truth are instantly and savagely attacked by the MSM.
"The newspapers are failing and you probably shouldn’t trust either the weather reports or baseball scores either."
You're not even joking.
Greenwald, O'neill, one or two others.
Yeah, well, as one of maybe half a dozen openly libertarian newspaper journalists who existed in the USA during the 1990s-2009, I know how subjective my colleagues were despite their delusions that they were being ‘objective.’ From sometime in the 2000s, I wrote this column advising how newspapers — already in their death throes in part because of their blatant biases — could become more transparent/honest/trustworthy. Of course no one took my advice the least bit seriously: “This eternal struggle between objectivity and subjectivity hurts journalism. That’s why — God save us — if I ran a daily newspaper, I’d insist that every news article end with a paragraph stating the author’s known ideological prejudices and genetic idiosyncrasies.” My ID tag: Bill Steigerwald is a lapsed Catholic who believes peaceful individuals, markets and society should be as free as possible and governments should be so small, poor and weak that no one interested in money or power would want to enter politics. He's against the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty and the War on Iraq. And he tries to stay out of bars and government buildings as much as he can. https://clips.substack.com/p/transparency-in-journalism-not-yet
Dunno about that "bars" inclusion...
Indeed. Anybody who stays out of bars as much as possible is highly suspect.
I’m having lunch at a bar today. Fish & chips special.
Me, too; a tasty helping of charred ground beef on a bun!
Just don't let sarc cook it.
Burn!
Literally.
> Getting Trump Was More Important to Some Journalists Than Getting the Story Right
Okay, let me play the "both sides" card. Facts always take a back seat to the narrative. Plenty of conservatives love believing lies about their opponents rather than just sticking to the truth.
The extreme example: Tarring Hillary with the whole pizzagate them which eventually morphed into the QAnon nuttery. Why accuse her of pederasty and murder when she has a mountain of other sins she is accountable for? I know people who believe that crap only because it's Hillary and thus must be true that she did it. Facts don't matter, only the narrative.
Do Democrats do this more? Maybe, but that doesn't make it right for Republicans and conservatives to do the same. If it's wrong for them then it's wrong for you!
I don't do this "both sides" thing out of cynicism, I do it to point out the the Right side of the spectrum can do BETTER! They don't have to fight shit flinging monkey with turd cannons. Rise above it.
The left talks about qanon than anyone on the right does. This is you falling for leftist lies. Lol.
I’m still not clear on this Qanon thing. My first exposure was some idiot like Tk y ranting about me being a ‘Q follower’. I honestly thought it was some Star Trek thing and he was retarded.
I was at least half right.
"...Okay, let me play the “both sides” card..."
Brandyshit still trying to find some justification for his infantile case of raging TDS!
Fuck off and die, asshole. Make the world a better place.
""Do Democrats do this more? Maybe, but that doesn’t make it right for Republicans and conservatives to do the same. If it’s wrong for them then it’s wrong for you!""
In the spirit of both sides, when were you calling out the dem aligned media when they were making such bullshit claims?
Brandyshit? Ha and ha!
History, my friend, history. It's a thing. I'm always calling out the Democraps and their willing accomplices in the media.
Cite one time.
Brandyshit's lies, my friend, Brandyshit's lies.
"Okay, let me play the “both sides” card."
Have you ever done anything but when the Democrats are caught doing something reprehensible? It'd be remarkable if you ever both-sided when a Republican fucked up.
And I don't want the Republicans or any other DNC opponent to rise above anything. The Democrats and the woke are Nazi-level evil, they're a cancer. You don't fight cancer with high minded speeches.
No, I only play it when the Right goes "Hey, look at the Left, they're doing what we're doing, why are they doing that evil thing!"
Give me an actual instance Brandy. Just one.
You don't even have to include a citation. Just mention an example where the "Right" is complaining that the left is doing something they were first.
Because we all can give you thousands of examples of the reverse, but I don't think you can come up with a single instance that matches your claim.
Note how brandy above even says he dislikes the gop for adopting tactics of the left, but in this comment he switched the order.
Sometimes mutually assured destruction is the only path when one side is blowing the other one up.
No, I only play it when the Right goes “Hey, look at the Left, they’re doing what we’re doing, why are they doing that evil thing!”
Correct. A balanced person would also play when the Left goes "Hey, look at the right, they're doing what we're doing, why are they doing that evil thing".
But in this instance you actually say this instead of mocking it.
I don’t do this “both sides” thing out of cynicism, I do it to…
draw attention away from anything which reflects poorly on leftists. FTFY.
I don’t think anyone ever claimed he was motivated y cynicism.
Comparing the main stream media to QAnon is like comparing the NFL to dog fighting.
Michael “Ron Mexico” Vick once dabbled in both.
I would agree that both sides engage in confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. That’s true with any grouping of people. People are always quick and desirous to believe the worst about their opponent while being highly skeptical of criticism leveled in their own direction.
But as concerns modern politics, the left is much more invested in false narratives and straw man positions. The right has some fringe looney shit like QAnon. But that’s limited in scope and really only a thing because the left has to keep bringing it up. Much like Super Duper Ultra Mega MAGA types of phrases.
The right spends most of its time now fighting the false context world the left has created. I mean, the fact that the definition of what is a woman is actually a thing that is in controversy makes it tough to claim otherwise.
The right may respond to the left’s false construct with over-the-top responses from time to time. But right now at least, the left is the greatest driver of false narratives in our society.
I said that QAnon was an extreme example (even though there is a sitting QAnon conspiratard in congress with an (R) next to her name). But when mainstream Republicans are still claiming Jan 6th was a peaceful protest you can't be claiming only the fringers are nutty.
Except mainstream Republicans aren't claiming that Jan 6th was peaceful. And citing one member of congress who believes in nutty ideas does nothing to negate my point.
Again, citing extremists and using straw man positions to establish your position of mutual "both sides" doesn't help your case.
The left is the current driver of the majority of false narratives that we face today. It's really not even close.
"...Except mainstream Republicans aren’t claiming that Jan 6th was peaceful..."
Yep, cop murdered a protester. Other than that, not much.
QAnon is a 4chan meme the New York Times adopted to scare wine moms and the credulous with.
Anyone who thinks it's an actual political force is a gullible idiot.
Half of the dem House refused to attack socialism. Half of them promote cultural marxism. You equate that to one member of the gop House. Do you see the issue?
I’ll see your MTG and raise you a Maxine Watters, Diane Feinstein, and Sheila Jackson-Lee.
I'd run a check-raise with Hank Johnson, but the poker table might flip over.
Or, 'cap-size'.
That will never get old.
J6 was ‘mostly peaceful’. With the exception of some of the idiots who entered the Capitol building. No one condones their actions. But it wasn’t a fucking insurrection. You sound like such a twat when you say inane leftist shit like that.
These are the death rattles of traditional journalism - and that is okay. These "institutions" were dying before Trump, he was only the final electrical jolt to their corpse. The galvanic response of reflexive muscle that doesn't yet know it is dead.
While the partisan dimension is the most visible, I do not believe that was the driving force behind this corruption. The driving force was money, or more specifically, the lack thereof. Desperation has an odor, and I can smell it from here.
I’ll bite on this.
It’s been my theory with how wacko the left has become. You don’t throw your neck out for men whose balls are jangling while they claim to be women unless you’re desperate. You don’t tighten your grip on speech as the left has unless you know your speech is shit. These are panic moves, uncharacteristic of regimes that hold real power.
Back in the day, like the 1800s day, there was no objective press. Every paper was bought and paid for by some interested party.
Today is no different, other than perhaps the interested parties being omitted from declaration.
The problem is a lot of older boomers and the silent generation still treat what a newscaster says as gospel.
They can't wrap their heads around the idea that virtually all news organizations are deliberately and purposefully lying to them, with malice and ill intent.
They think that somehow it wouldn't be allowed. That there must be institutions and measures in place to prevent that.
Ah well, this boomer hasn't watched any televised news for at least 25 years. I don't own a television either or cell phone. The last one I watched was Democracy Now and that was more than twenty years ago.
Hey JohnZ, are you the same John that used to post here two years ago?
I miss that guy.
Yeah, "there oughta be a law." The people who write the laws, enforce the laws, and adjudicate the laws are just as bad. Because they're people.
The interested party is the deep state.
I'd personally prefer if modern media outlets would just state their bias up front.
And commenters, Mike Laursen (D).
He’s still keeping up the con. I’m mostly just embarrassed for him at this point.
He is too stupid to feel embarrassment.
They have no remorse because they are interacting based on feelingz and not logic/facts. Their feeling were right so they were right.
When one is making decision based on “second kind of cool” they should be aware that they are indeed doing that.
That’s part of what makes him so cringeworthy and excruciating.
Mike Laursen (ENB)
Is that the working theory? That ENB is Dee?
Not so sure of that. Mike (@MikeLaursen2) follows ENB around on Twitter (@ENBrown) and seems to praise every fart she leaves behind there.
William Randolph Hearst owned newspapers from which he ginned up a war with Spain.
I've never really looked into societal perception of news media in the 1700s and 1800s. I know that newspapers were all fairly biased, and unabashedly so, but I have never looked into whether the common person actually knew that.
Are you aware if the everyday person knew papers were purposefully skewed and took that into account when reading them? I would hope so, but my firsthand experience with humans has me doubting they would be that astute.
Yes, it was common knowledge, and it's why so many cities ended up with multiple newspapers. You subscribed to the one of your party.
A few places like NY and Chicago were big enough to have more than 2 by party or class.
Maybe my questions revolves more around were people actually more skeptical knowing this? In today’s world, most consumers of news know the news they don’t like is biased, but they think the news they like is simply telling the truth. This is the inherent bias.
So, back in the day, I pick a newspaper that I like because it says what I want. Did that really make me skeptical, or was the position just like today where I simply believed my paper was the unbiased one telling the truth because it said what I wanted to hear and all the others were biased because I didn’t agree with them?
It’s the old saying that if you think your news source isn’t biased, it just means you found the news source that has the same bias as you. This therefore tends to negate the idea that knowing of bias institutes a level of skepticism in people.
For those who did not read the original article, do yourself a favor .... it is worth the read.
It gives a good timeline of events as seen from the inside.
It is not, however, a mea culpa.
It is extremely self-serving and while pointing plenty of fingers, it also bends over backwards to excuse the behavior of journalists as simple carelessness and desire for the story to be true.
Those of us who have followed this know that this is far too generous. Sure, some peripheral players (like our Reason author above) may have simply been willing dupes. But the people at the core of the story were active participants who knew full well what they were doing. Their mission was to overturn the election... by any means available... not simply by revealing the truth.
Subsequent stories have only served to emphasize just how far and wide this willing propaganda machine goes. Every single member of the media has seen ironclad proof that Biden has been taking bribes from foreign entities. They all willingly cover it up to this day.
They are not simply careless. The chef should cuts his finger with a paring knife is careless. Lizzy Borden was not simply careless.
"But the people at the core of the story were active participants who knew full well what they were doing."
Quoting for emphasis. They people who created Hamilton 68 are the luminaries of the American bureaucratic and media establishment themselves.
Not merely helpless victims of some tricky political action committee.
Again, as I said in a thread yesterday, the pattern is as thus:
#4 is the most frustrating and enraging step. It’s the contortion required to admit that everything that was said by [your political opponents] was in fact correct, but absolving yourself of any need for contrition, let alone getting anywhere near the broad admission that [your opponents’] narrative might actually be the correct one.
Mistakes were made. People got overly excited. It happens. Stories were written. Facts were bent ever so slightly. Passions became overheated. [Trump] is still bad– it needs to be said– but we got carried away pointing out those flaws.
A tiny example of this... the belated admission that "Hunter Biden was trading on his family name".
That was the accepted turn of phrase for a couple of weeks. Pundits across the nation would demure that "this whole thing is unseemly" but "Hunter was just trading on his family name".
Ok.... that is simply a euphemism for "taking bribes ". Those are synonyms.
Yet they all nodded and pretended that some great affection for the Biden name was worth tens of millions of dollars to foreign interests.
It must not have polled well, because they dropped it. And in so doing, they acknowledge to anyone paying attention that they know full well that Biden has been taking bribes for years and they are covering for him.
We should call this The Laursen Process to help people find real life examples.
This is a sign it’s time to just get rid of these people. The current state of affairs is not sustainable. Scrape them off.
Here’s the biggest flaw in your four steps: no acknowledgement of the existence of people who aren’t on either of the two major partisan teams.
Yep, Mike is totes not a Democrat because, of course, he says so. Never mind that he defends them at most turns here and never misses a chance to criticize Republicans.
You are clearly in step 4. And de Ying you have a team is part of that. You've been on the wrong side of every false narrative. Continuing to attack those you call right wingers wrong despite them being right.
But YOU are. You just lie about it. Maybe you even delude yourself that it’s true. But it’s not. Another reason you are not worthy of respect.
Meanwhile, across the pond:
All is fair when everything is so terrible and unfair.
a growing number of journalists of color and younger white reporters, including LGBTQ+ people, believe that objectivity has become an increasingly outdated and divisive concept that prevents truly accurate reporting informed by their own backgrounds, experiences and points of view.
The role they are describing is not novel and is not a journalist. It is an opinion columnist. And the world is glutted with them. Given the number of people doing it for free, the market value of these “reporters” is indistinguishable from zero.
It's as if ChatGPT was responsible for the last five years of journalism.
As with newspapers, people would be no less educated than with the rest of the MSM.
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." Thos. Jefferson.
The Jefferson quote illustrates the fact that journalism has always been a rotten profession. The idea that it ever was objective or truthful is ridiculous.
"Getting Trump was more important to SOME journalists..." Huh...are you kidding me?
Perhaps you've not heard of the Harvard Shorenstein study on anti Trump bias by the media in his first 100 days in office:
CNN--93% negative
NBC--93% negative
CBS--91% negative
NYT--87% negative
etc, etc, etc!
Yes, it appears that "some" journalists were more intent on getting Trump than getting the story right!
Well, if one GOP joins all Ds in support of a bill, it's "bipartisan", isn't it?
That kind of "some".
Reason may actually beat them out at higher percents.
objectivity has become an increasingly outdated and divisive concept that prevents truly accurate reporting informed by their own backgrounds, experiences and points of view
So, imagine a level of egomania where you get $500M, or whatever, handed to you at age 18 and you just assume or navigate the world under that assumption or with your name or that money opening doors for you. Even with all the insulation, you'd still quickly come across the notion that even though *you personally* got $500M handed to you, not everyone did and, in that regard, you're exceptional. You'd be an egomaniac for sure, but you could objectively recognize that not everyone is like you. That people like your Dad or contemporary peers like him, who earned the $500M to hand to people like you, would have a different perception of reality than you did having it handed to you.
Now, imagine the broad social dysfunction that has to take place to generate the egomania that leads someone of no real exceptional talent, ability, pedigree, or other to, when confronted with reality, reject objective reality and substitute their own, and not as a joke or one-off deflection, but as SOP.
Name me one period in history where journalists were trustworthy, objective, or competent.
As a group, journalists have always been at the very bottom of the intellectual class, yet have had outsize influence and power that they could translate into wealth and power if they took proper advantage of it; they always had to respond to the businesses they worked for; and they always depended on the goodwill of politicians and other sources. The idea that this ever produced objective, informed writing is laughable.
Nobody should ever put faith in journalists, trust them, or believe them.
Ok, serious question.
Who writes the subheading?
“The botched pursuit of the Russiagate story illustrates how the media shed credibility.”
Botched.
The pursuit of the story was botched?
What do we mean here?
This would seem to imply that there actually was a Russiagate story. And that a good reporter would have nailed it down, rather than botching it and handing a win to Trump.
You do know that the entire thing was not just a mistake, right? From the jump the whole thing was a hoax, largely perpetrated by knowing actors. People from the Clinton camp. People from the Obama white house. People from the FBI and the CIA (and if Comey and media reports are to be believed, 27 federal agencies). People from the New York Times (our attempt to get Trump using Russian Collusion has failed. We will get him, we promise. We are working on a plan and we will let you know when it is ready).
So what does that subheading mean? That the attempted coup was botched? That the reporting was botched and they should have gotten Trump?
What are we saying here?
"What do we mean here?"
Kick up enough dust and the truth's got someplace to hide.
"Getting Trump Was More Important to Some Journalists Than Getting the Story Right"
Some? Be honest: 'it was the More Important to THE VAST MAJORITY OF Journalists.'
Or more accurately…
“Committing treason was more important to most media hacks than telling the truth”
Nope. That’s the MAGA victimhood narrative.
There are numerous pro-Trump news outlets, just as there are numerous anti-Trump outlets. Nobody who wants to find out the MAGA side of a news story has any trouble accessing it.
Note his thought process: if you know what to look for you can find it, therefore everything's fine. So everything works fine as long as you know what news you want before you hear the news? What if you watch the news to find out in the first place? And of course academia and increasingly the K-12 education has its top priority of scaring people into believing listening to Fox makes you racist.
The key is understanding the whole ecosystem. This is the system Laursen pretends is balanced. Is it possible to honestly believe this, or is it clear his only priority is protecting the left's propaganda network?
Oh fuck off. There is no ‘Boaf sidez’ to this. The media, and nearly all the money behind them, plus their conspirators in the tech sector are tensions of your party. Their is zero equivalency.
You are such a dishonest Marxist hack. I attribute much of this to the richly deserved beatings your parents failed to impart upon you. Which would have been of great benefit in tempering your dishonesty.
At work, we have dealings with a company named Fusion. My supervisor keeps calling them Fusion GPS. I explained to her once that Fusion GPS was the private investigation firm that the Hillary campaign hired to make the Russia report...but she still says Fusion GPS all the time.
I guess my point is that most people don't think past the initial headlines, and will always believe the fake story.
This is an important point.
Getting a story out there is the most important thing, because even if it's proven to be an enormous lie it still lingers in the public consciousness:
"Kavanagh, Kavanagh, oh yeah, he was that Supreme Court guy who raped a bunch of women" or "I remember, Trump said a bunch of racist stuff and attended white supremacist meetings and hated Jews or something."
I immediately think of Sackson, Zeta, Fusion, America, Hydra, Phoenix and Quantum.
Has anyone watched Colbert recently? I'm curious if he still is obsessed by the allegations, or if he has just stopped talking about it.
"Has anyone watched Colbert recently?..."
Ever have a root-canal? Well...
Recently? No. Ever? No.
I heard an audio clip of his show recently. He’s still a raving propagandist piece of shit. I really hope he goes through a series of mishaps that out him at mercy of an antifa crowd of rioters that literally tear him apart like mindless zombies.
Threats to democracy:
A few Facebook ads.
Protesting for election integrity.
Checking voter signatures or ID using the same election rules as last time.
Sharing alternate scientific theories online.
Sharing news stories from a major metropolitan newspaper online, if it casts a candidate’s family in a bad light (unless the candidate is Trump).
Not threats to democracy:
Changing the rules right before the election.
Easing signature match requirements.
Allowing ballot harvesting.
Arresting election integrity protestors.
The White House paying social media companies to squelch unfavorable stories spending.
300 billion dollars to forgive student loans without approval from Congress.
Changing the primary election calendar at the request of the incumbent.
Trying repeatedly to impeach the leading opposition candidate so he can’t run again.
Not threats to Democracy:
- Violently invading the Capitol building on the day electoral vote counts were being acknowledged.
Cite, Mike? And what may I ask, is Ray Epps to you? Oh, and BTW, let's go back to 2016-17 for a few moments.
You are correct. There was no actual threat that day.
An hour and 2 deaths of protestors at the hands of Capitol Police and they took the vote again. You act as of they were armed and the standoff was any threat to overthrow a government. You do this to push narratives.
I’m watching bill Maher right now. There’s some democrat squid house member form Arizona named Ruben Gallego on the panel. He sounds just like Mike. An excruciating, sea lioning shitweasel shill. An odious example of why there should be democrat party.
Don't forget packing the courts for the second list. Artie supports that idea.
“… 70 percent of Democrats… saying they have a great deal or fair amount of confidence,"
Imagine being so brainwashed as to be lied to so blatantly- but still hold these views.
Combine that with the Lefts rising violence and you have a good idea of who the opposition is, and what they are willing to do and lie about to get their way. 70% is the wide majority.
Democrats aren't lied "to." They are lied "for."
Makes all the difference. Why wouldn't they support their media shills?
Why are you concerned about the left’s rising violence but no mention of the right’s rising violence? Shouldn’t both be concerning?
Cite?
When the rights rising violence gets past even 10 deaths and 1 billion in damage to equal half of one leftist summer, give us a call.
Simple: the right’s violence isn’t rising.
Hey President Donald J. Trump ran on DRAINING THE SWAMP (which they denied existed) and even has the perfect term for it “F A K E N E W S !”
President Trump, right yet again. They tried gaslighting us, calling us delusional, denying shadow banning was real, claimed we were tin-foil hattis, disparaged and mock us incessantly.
Not that we needed any more - but this is perfect proof that Trump was the right call all along to fight the Identity Politics and The Swamp.
For the sake of argument, even if is one of those hack journalists who cares more about pushing some agenda than finding out the truth; you still need to somewhat report the truth so that you don't lose too many readers. You can't propagandize your readership if no one reads you.
So, even from the "we need to fight for social justice" point of view; it's still a max-min problem if you're being rational about it. These terrible woke journalists aren't even acting rationally **within their own** framework at this point.
"...You can’t propagandize your readership if no one reads you..."
CNN is running a real-time experiment of your theory; looks like you are correct.
CNN's viewership is smaller than Tim Pool's. They're a spent force, and nothing of value will be lost when they run out of money and go into chapter 7.
-jcr
They could speed it up by trying another web-distributed disaster.
It's high time Reason had their own Mea Culpa moment.
Then, and only then, will I re-subscribe to the magazine.
It really doesn’t matter. In principle, heads should roll, but it’s not like they could hire anybody who is better.
they have a name for this ... it's called moral clarity
This is really, really, really, really rich coming from Reason about 2-5+ years too late.
Pretty sure that's 2016 to 2023, seven years.
Nothing to see here. Just a buttload of triggered dumb asses that think they're geniuses spewing hate at each other. How fun...
And yet you show up and lie about it.
That divide is explained by the public perception that the media is not only biased, but out to push an agenda without regard for honesty.
The problem imo is not : the public perception that media is biased (all media outlets have always been biased in some direction) out to push an agenda without regard for honesty (that’s always been the case as well)
But that the mass media (American at least) is simply shallow. It has decided to compete with ‘social’ media that only cares about cat/dog videos, or arguing with neighbors/strangers about whatever. Rather than Hmm articles like How Putin made himself Maidan-proof by waging war on Ukraine by a Russian journalist based in Latvia on the AlJazeera media platform published in English (with only one mention of Trump, one of NATO, one of Biden). Basically an article with no DeRp triggers about a serious subject
What a surprise, left wingers support the theory which best protects the left.
In reality, both things are true. Revealingly journalists openly admit it, but their defenders are more Catholic than the Pope.
Confirming biases pays the bills.
Trump said his staff had no contacts with Russia: the Mueller investigation documented over 100 contacts including Trump's campaign manager giving polling data to Russian intelligence. The Senate Intelligence investigation, which had testimony from over 200 people found the informaton was critical.... "Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the report exposes interactions and information exchanged between Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.” the hill.com
Donald Jr. met with a Kremlin attorney to get dirt on Clinton. Trump himself asked Russia to intervene by hacking Clinton emails and publishing
Trump said he had no businesses or relations in Russia while negotiating a deal to build Moscow Trump Tower.
The press reported all this, but Trump, after Hitler, called it fake news. Now Reason is defending Trump's proven lies, claiming it was the press, which exposed him, that was lying. Hitler invented this propaganda tactic, callling the press the Lying Press.
“No contacts with Russia” refers to the nonsense alleged by Democrats. Many people have other contacts with Russia: they get lattes from former Russian baristas, read news articles and social network posts written by Russians, etc.
For all we know, you are a Russian bot. You certainly behave like one.
Not polling data, often public! Much worse than Hillary paying British spies to pay Russian spies then filtering it through state and the IC and having the entire media machine back it.
As far as attractive targets... hello Clinton initiative.
"Trump said his staff had no contacts with Russia: the Mueller investigation documented over 100 contacts including Trump’s campaign manager giving polling data to Russian intelligence."
You're full of shit; ne never said that.
"The Senate Intelligence investigation, which had testimony from over 200 people found the informaton was critical…. “Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the report exposes interactions and information exchanged between Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.” the hill.com
Donald Jr. met with a Kremlin attorney to get dirt on Clinton. Trump himself asked Russia to intervene by hacking Clinton emails and publishing"
And strangely enough HRC fenced phony russki info to the DOJ; beginning to think you're some deluded piece of TDS-addled whit still grasping at straws.
"Trump said he had no businesses or relations in Russia while negotiating a deal to build Moscow Trump Tower.
The press reported all this, but Trump, after Hitler, called it fake news. Now Reason is defending Trump’s proven lies, claiming it was the press, which exposed him, that was lying. Hitler invented this propaganda tactic, callling the press the Lying Press."
No, asshole, they are admitting what most of us have known for seven years and that which TDS-addled shit-pile like you still can't admit.
Fuck off and die.
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It's really hard to get to any sort of truth if you bypass accuracy.
They were saying to go beyond accuracy, not to bypass it. I read that as saying that simply being accurate in reporting facts isn't enough to deliver information that is really the truth. Reporting some of the verified facts, but leaving out other important facts or context would still be considered accurate by some. We see this all the time in general distrust of "fact checks". If fact checking groups say that what a politician said was a fact, but was misleading because it was out of context or omitted other facts, people that like that politician will cry that the fact checker is going beyond simply checking the facts and into opinion and is thus just trying to tear down their guy.
Shorter explanation: People often mean something broader than a claim, event, statistic, etc. being a verified fact when they use the word truth. "The truth" is more than simply saying that a particular claim "is true" or is "accurate."
^ This asshole is more than happy to support murder of an unarmed protester since some one might have put their feet on the desks of the anointed:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled, lying pile of lefty shit.
"They were saying to go beyond accuracy, not to bypass it."
Oh, my goodness! what a lame attempt at sophistry. Stuff it up your ass, TDS-addled shit-pile
“They were saying to go beyond accuracy, not to bypass it.”
It's a euphemism for revolutionary truth.
Just don't call them Marxists.
Efforts at “objectivity” in news coverage—however successful—didn’t really become the norm until after World War II. And it’s likely a passing norm as journalists re-embrace partisanship and find (or don’t) supportive audiences.
To expand on Get to the Chippah replied to this above:
"Objectivity" and being "balanced" aren't the same thing. What was actually happening in the news media was a tendency to simply present what each political side was saying about something in an equal time sort of way. But that is presenting each side's arguments and claims with even weight, when that might not be at all correct. That kind of "present both sides" version of balanced reporting really isn't something that would serve the public at times.
As an extreme example of this, look to the controversies over teaching evolution in public schools. Giving science educators that want to teach evolution as best understood by biologists and only evolution equal time as creationists in a news piece is already the wrong way to do it, because it can leave the viewer or reader with the impression that both sides have valid points and that the truth is a matter of opinion.
A news report should be objective in presenting information about some creationists or religious conservative politicians trying to insert creationism or "intelligent design" (which is creationism-lite) into public schools. Being objective would be giving the scientists and science educators the time they need to adequately explain how unscientific creationist claims are and how damaging it would be to student's understanding of science to be taught creationist ideas and arguments against evolution as being credible. They can still report on what creationists say, but giving equal time in the piece is not correct. It often takes far longer to say or more words to write a thorough response to a creationist claim than for the creationist to state what they believe.
The main problem, though, is that Get to the Chippah was right in that news media now is run far more like entertainment as a business than ever before. And appealing to an audience's existing biases gets more people to watch, click on ads, or otherwise engage with the content than a truly objective presentation of facts would.
The only solution to this problem is for more people to understand this and to stop seeking news that confirms their biases and look for sources that still hold objectivity as an important principle to live up to. As long as people keep buying food and drinks that aren't good for them, companies will keep making them.
^ This asshole is more than happy to support murder of an unarmed protester since some one might have put their feet on the desks of the anointed:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled, lying pile of lefty shit.
^ This pile of lefty shit is more than happy to support murder of an unarmed protester since some one might have put their feet on the desks of the anointed:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled, lying pile of lefty shit.
2 things:
"SOME journalists????" The vast majority of MSM was in on the conspiracy. And still, despite all evidence to the contrary, many Democrats still cling to the falsehoods
"....did not go well......" Actually it went too well for the journalists and goverNMEnt officials who knowingly went along with this charade. There should be severe penalties for lying about such important matters, and for misusing your position in the bureaucracy.
And just for the record, I am not a Trump fan. Yep he got cheated by false reporting and persecution by bureaucrats who should be impartial, but I never want to see him in the White House again. We can do better.
"...We can do better."
Perhaps, but we haven't for the last 100 years.
How can we do better? No one in his or her right mind would want to be President.
I SEE the destruction of MSM's credibility because of how they treated this story, and more recently, the whole Covid fraud/fiasco as a good, even a great thing. Maybe more people will look with skepticism on both media and goverNMEnt agencies. And the fact that again, MSM carried water for the would-be dictators in goverNMEnt, should send chills down the spines of all red-blooded Americans. If we are to be free, skepticism is critically important.
I thought the Opinion section was there for journalists to write their "lived truths" and point of view.
The mains stream media has no credibility. Neither of course does Washington. The American people are getting fed up with being constantly gaslighted, deceived and fed outright lies and propaganda. There are no journalists anymore. They are nothing more than scribblers and mumblers who are paid way too much as whores for the CIA, Pentagram , and every other corrupt and disreputable government agency and bureaucrat.
No one in the right mind should take anything neither the government or the media says seriously or as fact.
The American people shoulder some of the blame for not holding these worthless toadies feet to the fire.
Pretty rich from the folks who reported that COVID would kill no more than 5000 people in the US
Got a cite for that claim?
He's got nothing.
Only took me 5 minutes to scroll down to the bottom so I could post a comment. Reason-please put the comments box at the top.
The beginning of the end of journalism was when journalism students and teachers saw the movie All The President's Men which lionised two reporters for the Washington Post. Instead of noting that the reporters obtained real facts from real people before publishing their story, they focused on the disgrace and eventual resignation of President Nixon. Since then, graduates of the journalism schools viewed themselves as activists rather than journalists. Getting the story right became at best an afterthought and more commonly wasn't considered at all. Couple that with the so-called education undergraduates receive in US colleges and the endless propaganda from US media is the result. On the plus side for me, it's saved me a lot of money because I no longer buy the New York Times and Washington Post.
Back in 2017, Columbia Journalism Review published a similar report, also focused on the NY Times coverage, lambasting the focus on Hillary Clinton's emails, which also turned out to be a nothing story.
https://www.vox.com/2017/12/7/16747712/study-media-2016-election-clintons-emails
A search of this sight reveals, not surprisingly, that this got zero coverage from Reason magazine. And that's because, Reason is a partisan conservative magazine masquerading as one engaged in objective reason.
And as with more liberal publications, this isn't because of an intent to deceive but because of the fallibility of the human mind that leads people to think they're being objective and reasoned when they're not and to think that there's no other right way to view things than their own when there is.
And so, a genuine disagreement of opinion about the facts and meaning of facts in a scandal and what those proves becomes the basis for saying that the side you disagree with is being dishonest when the fact that they (the Times) stand by their reporting should tell you that there's an honest disagreement of opinion.
And there is in the fact that those of us who think collusion is a real thing read the Mueller report very differently. In my opinion, he didn't answer the question of collusions with a no. He answered that here was "no evidence" and then gave a detailed description of all the obstruction that had occurred, including the dangling of pardons, that was done to prevent the gathering of any evidence. Pardons were later actually granted and we now know that Bill Bar shut the investigation down prematurely.
The Steel dosier was just one source of information about the scandal not the whole thing. Mueller himself took pains to say that the investigation didn't exonerate trump, an unusual statement, and members of his former team have talked about how the investigation was too limited.
My guess is that in the end this will be the Right's Julius Rosenberg episode.
On the contrary, the Vox report is inaccurate and Reason has lambasted Trump for the Russia hoax (Mueller didn't find anything and the Steele dossier was discredited) for all four years of his presidency and then some. That's not indicative of a "partisan conservative magazine". You are not telling the truth.
No, you lying pile of shit, HRC's SERVER (not her 'emails', parroted by lying piles of shit like you) should have landed her in jail.
And, like the lies about Trump, that was not a 'mistake'; it was calculated and purposeful,
Fuck off and die, lying pile of shit.
So Kochsuckers at Reason believe that Trump was the real victim targeted by mainstream media journos because they were not giving him an adequate number of hand jobs?
LOL
No, you steaming pile of shit, they are admitting that the media simply lied about Trump.
Fuck off and die, asshole
This is as much garbage as Gerth's piece, albeit this one has the benefit of being much shorter. Failing to mention both Mueller and the Senate Intelligence committee detailed collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia is journalistic malpractice. There certainly is biased reporting going on here, but it's not where Gerth and Tucille are claiming it is.
Getting Trump Was More Important to Reason.com Journalists Than Getting the Story Right The botched pursuit of the Russiagate story illustrates how Reason shed credibility.
What is really amazing is Reason is throwing stones while still pushing so many Trump lies. Also Reason is still shedding credibility by ignoring Biden corruption.
At its root was an undeclared war between an entrenched media, and a new kind of disruptive presidency, with its own hyperbolic version of the truth.
When everyone is a blatant liar then it all evens out.
"Getting Trump Was More Important to Some Journalists Than Getting the Story Right" -- including JD.
Botched?
It seems to have gone pretty well, all things considered.
Trump presidency majorly hamstrung and distracted from day 1. Sessions forced to recuse based on nothing. Flynn taken out. Trump twice impeached.
The supposedly peace-loving left whipped into bloodthirst against Russia to the delight of the military industrial complex. The supposedly skeptical, liberal left turned into ardent supporters of the Intelligence Community.™ Etc. . . .
Some ideas more than others:
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August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm
I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is my circus.
This asshole and turd are similar in many ways, one of which regarding being caught in documented lies and ignoring it as if none of that affects their reputations at all.
Why anyone believes a single thing either one posts is a mystery to me.
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Was Welch a journolister? I don't remember that, but wishing for the mass murder of conservative journalists seems to put Welch in ideological conformity with them. Plus we know good buddy Dave Weigel was a 'lister, so he'd have someone to vouch for him.
Of course he meant it rhetorically. If they attempted anything in this direction literally it would be the end of them. I offer the Rittenhouse scenario as a citation.
Watching the same idiots use both sides and then turn around and scream whatabout is amazing to see.
Sometimes. Sometimes not. "Defining" "libertarianism" is a bit like herding cats. That is a given. But are they more "libertarian," overall, than, say Fox, CNN, or whomever, yeah.
"What is your specific complaint of the MC?"
Based on their published platform, at least in the broad strokes, no major complaints at all. Their overall goals are pretty much in line with my own. I might have, given the opportunity, a couple of questions concerning the details of a couple of the Planks, but that should be expected.
My questions are, and have been, primarily concerned with the best way to get from "here" to "there."
Dee?
Dee? That bitch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iwwtkhInxU
Gawker claims to have an archive of the infamous JournoList.
https://www.gawker.com/here-is-the-archive-of-the-famous-liberal-media-journol-530195415
Here's a listing of 64 of them, and I don't see Matt Welch's name in there. Matt Yglesias is notable, given the crush ENB seems to have had on him.
https://www.chathamjournal.com/weekly/opinion/Columns/64-known-journolist-members-100724.shtml
More on JournoList, and the fact that there is a new forum where responses seem to be coordinated.
https://nypost.com/2010/07/25/the-fix-was-in/
JournoList’s members included dozens of straight-news reporters from major news organizations, including Time, Newsweek, The Associated Press, Reuters, The Washington Post, The New York Times, Politico, Bloomberg, Huffington Post, PBS and a large NPR affiliate in California.
The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg reports that the members of JournoList, which Ezra Klein disbanded weeks ago, have since reunited in a new online forum and are coordinating their responses to The Daily Caller’s stories.
Led by blogger Matt Yglesias, their attacks have focused on questioning the context of the e-mails — an oft-used refuge for those caught saying embarrassing things.
More names of people on JournoList:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2573077/posts
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A leopard minus its spots?
A place the neo prog democrats want to bomb.
I would be more interested in it if it DID tie into John DeLancie’s character.
I see Dave Weigel made the list.
I would say Reason’s articles are at all libertarian 10% of the time. And that’s being generous.