Conspiracy Theories

From Russiagate to the MyPillow Guy, Let's Stop With Electoral Conspiracy Theories

Before Mike Lindell's lunatic claims and Donald Trump's sour grapes over 2020, there was Hillary Clinton and the media's false insistence on Kremlin interference.

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A federal grand jury has indicted attorney and cybersecurity consultant Michael Sussman for lying to the FBI when he presented the agency with alleged evidence that Donald Trump was in cahoots with the Kremlin. The main issue? When Sussman told the feds in 2016 that Trump's organization had a "secret communications channel" with the Russian-owned Alfa Bank, he claimed that he wasn't acting on behalf of any particular client. In fact, the indictment says, he was working for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

Sussman's data, like many other attempts to tie the Queens-born businessman to Russian interests, turned out to be garbage. The indictment was brought by special counsel John Durham, whose office has already convicted a former FBI agent for "falsifying a document in internal emails over surveilling former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page."

This case is a stark reminder that attempts to delegitimize American election results hardly started with the MyPillow guy's insane claims of mass voter fraud or the Trump team's spectacularly unsuccessful serial lawsuits aimed at showing the Joe Biden stole the 2020 race. Long before Trump tried to undermine Amtrak Joe, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic establishment, and scores of media people at The New York Times, The Washington Post, MSNBC, and elsewhere were committed to what became known as "Russiagate": a series of related, overlapping, and ultimately unsubstantiated theories that Trump was an active agent of the Kremlin, was being run by the oligarchs who financed his global empire, or was being blackmailed by Vladimir Putin's secret service.

The most entertaining of these conspiracy theories was undoubtedly the "pee tape," a purported recording of Trump in 2013 watching two prostitutes urinate on a bed once used by Barack Obama at the Moscow Ritz-Carlton. Sadly, the pee tape story has no more evidence supporting it than the one about J. Edgar Hoover keeping John Dillinger's severed penis in his office. Yet Sussman's claims about Trump and Alfa Bank helped goad really-want-it-to-be-true journalists such as Franklin Foer into writing dubious stories before and after the 2016 election that Trump was fatally compromised by a foreign power. Just as the John Birch Society once was deranged enough to denounce Dwight Eisenhower as a "conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist conspiracy," Trump critics such as Hillary Clinton averred he was Putin's "puppet."

More important, claims made to federal agents by Sussman and in the document known as "the Steele dossier" (the origin of the pee tape story) helped to jump-start an FBI investigation into a president based on faulty documents and tainted by partisan hostility. At various points identified as a good-faith, credible document, the Steele dossier was in fact poorly vetted opposition research that was funded by the Clinton campaign. (For a fantastic analysis of Fusion GPS, the private intelligence group that produced the document, read Barry Meier's Spooked: The Secret Rise of Private Spies.)

Donald Trump needs to own his lunatic fantasies that the 2020 election was stolen from him. But his conspiracy theory was merely the latest in a series of sour-grapes stolen-election stories (out of the last six presidential races, only two—2008 and 2012—have not generated such tales). And the discredited Russiagate narrative—which involved a politically motivated investigation of a sitting president and is pushed relentlessly by the Democratic establishment and a good chunk of the media to this day—is a deeply disturbing reminder that nutbaggery is a fundamental feature of liberals and conservatives.

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  1. I didn’t bother reading the article, but does he admit he’s been wrong for the last five years?

      1. https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypillow-guy-mike-lindell-punts-timeline-for-trump-retaking-power-as-august-conspiracy-theories-get-wackier
        MyPillow Guy Punts Timeline for Trump Retaking Power as Conspiracy Theories Get Wackier

        https://www.salon.com/2021/08/22/mike-lindell-still-in-trumps-good-graces-has-new-prediction-reinstatement-by-new-years/

        The Lord Trump didn’t return to us as scheduled, but the Second Coming is now re-scheduled. You can TRUST us THIS time, for sure!

        The Lord Trump DID return to us faithful ones, but He did it in an invisible way! Hold strong in your Faith in Him!

        The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, this is true! It only did NOT happen because YOU were not faithful enough, and didn’t send Him enough donations!

        The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, but He DID miraculously protect us all from the VERY worst forces of Evil, which is Der BidenFuhrer! Hold fast in your Faith… Lord Trump will come back VERY soon now! Especially if you send more money!

        The Lord Trump moves in Mysterious Ways! All will be revealed SOON! Especially if you have Enough Faith to DONATE till it HURTS!

          1. Some fierce and brave Truth-Speakers-Wannabes are actually whining little crybabies who want to run to Big Mommy Government Almighty’s courts of law, every time that someone hurts their little baby FEELINGS, right, Super-Perv-Predator-Sevo-the-Pedo, Hippo wearing a Speedo?

            1. spastic gets another flag

              1. Whoa! PhD Computer Scientist here has figured out how to move the mouse-cursor, and click on the flag icon! Congratulations, Stable Genius Junior! Maybe You could write Your NEXT Computer Science PhD thesis on HOW You do that? And thread-clutter-post it EVERY FUCKIN’ TIME that you see a post that you disagree with? And expect all the OTHER marching morons to THANK you profusely?
                Well now… Have You and any of the other marching morons ever heard of “The Boy Who Cried ‘Wolf’?” Has it ever occurred to You, that the moderators will immediately ignore You and Yours? When you over-flag? Now, when the time comes that Reason.com gets hacked, and some hacker posts a child-porn link to video of YOUR kid or relative’s kids… Or YOU possibly-maybe abusing YOUR kid (think “getting swatted” for trivial bullshit), or “doxes” You and Your SSN, real name, home address, and photo… OR, they post the IP address and WIP security key, access codes, etc., to the self-destruct mechanism in your battery-driven “IP of All Things” penis cage, see https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210111/08041046030/internet-connected-chastity-cages-hit-bitcoin-ransom-hack.shtml … And You (“The Boy Who Cried ‘Wolf’”) will FLAG the post that unveils all such things… You will be IGNORED, asshole!
                You ever think of THAT, asshole who cried wolf? I, for one, will NOT flag it when they “dox” you!!! Learn your lessons by SUFFERING, ye who will NOT learn otherwise!

                1. Jesus Christ, did you just do fentanyl?

                  1. Sarcasmic has been in a downward spiral. So expect more of him using sqrsly

                    1. Asshole spastic gets one more! Stuff it up your ass, you pathetic piece of shit!

                  2. Jesus Christ didn’t “do” fentanyl; He “did” anti-self-righteousness. To see what Jesus “did”, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ and then http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ as well.

                    1. wearing ’em out spastic asshole!

                    2. Hey Sevo the Pedo…

                      Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!

                      So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…

                      Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:

                      Hi Fantastically Talented Author:

                      Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.

                      At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.

                      Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .

                      Thank You! -Reason Staff

                    3. Looks like Sqrlcasmic’s trying to absolve Buttplug (who did post actual child porn links), by pretending it was Sevo.

                      Fucking unbelievable.

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                2. spastic asshole is gonna use up the flag supply!

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        1. How cute – a lackwit who thinks he’s a midwit.

        2. As opposed to Obama the messiah?

        3. The Lord Trump didn’t return to us as scheduled, but the Second Coming is now re-scheduled. You can TRUST us THIS time, for sure!

          Trump will likely run again, and he has a good chance of winning.

          I didn’t vote for him last time, but, frankly, given the alternatives and given idiots like you, it’s tempting to do so in 2024, if not for any other reason than to see your heads explode.

      2. I hadn’t seen SQRLSY for several days. I was hoping he finally took my advice and killed himself.

        Wishful thinking.

        1. “Patriotic” Last Refuge of Scoundrels, drinking Scoundrel Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…

          He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
          Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
          Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
          Has no thoughts that help the people,
          He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
          On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
          Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
          Kool-Aid man, please listen,
          You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
          Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
          The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!

          A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
          https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/

          Hey “Patriotic” Last Refuge of Scoundrels …
          If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
          Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
          You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!

          1. Everyone hates you, Sqrlscasmic.
            Have you ever posted at a site where some people don’t?

            1. “Everyone hates you, Sqrlscasmic.”

              HOW do you know this? Have you had your tinfoil hate-hat calibrated lately?

            2. Says MarxistMammaryBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer!

              From http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/

              “Our human brains today are evolutionary hodge-podges of layer stacked upon layer. Fish brain, then amphibian brain, reptile brain, monkey brain, ape brain, and hunter-gatherer brain. My-tribe-right, your-tribe-is-lesser (or worse) belongs to hunter-gatherer brain. Prophets and seers, seekers and teachers, throughout the years, have criticized their tribes for this. “This ain’t right”, they say! They have called us forwards into the next stage of evolution! And they (at the extremes) have been killed for it! Now again, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ for details, but this “kill-the-prophets” thing is likely programmed (instinctively or emotionally) into the hunter-gatherer brain. A polite phrase for it is the “do-gooder derogation” instinct. A more in-your-face term for it might be to call it the Jesus-killer (Mahatma Gandhi-killer, Martin Luther King Jr.-killer, etc.) instinct. There’s very little good news in there for the INDIVIDUAL prophet or teacher. What little good news in this phenomenon is that AFTER we have killed the prophet, THEN we often at least START to listen to what they had to say!”

              My tribe’s lies leading to violence are GOOD! YOUR tribe’s lies leading to violence are BAD! That describes YOU, MarxistMammaryBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer! That is why you and some of your fellow troglodytes hate me!

            3. Did it say anything remotely coherent? I have it muted. We can only hope it commits suicide.

          2. He’s a real Sqrlsy Man,
            Sitting in his squirrely Land,
            Spewing out his squirrely plans,
            To no one

            Doesn’t see that he’s ignored
            His squirrly rants just leave all bored
            Recycled whining is adored
            By no one.

            Sqrlsy Man, Please Listen
            Go into the kitchen,
            Sqrlsy man, the oven is right there at hand
            Stick your head, in deeply
            Hit the gas, not meekly
            Sqrlsy Man just let it take you away

            He’s a real Sqrlsy Man
            Cooling in his squirrely land
            Whining all his squirrely plans
            To no one.

            Has no thoughts that help the people,
            He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
            On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
            Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
            Kool-Aid man, please listen,
            You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
            Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
            The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!

            1. It eats it’s own shit too.

          3. Wow – such fuckwittery I haven’t seen in ages.
            You go, homy! Show the world how nothing you know.

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    1. I was about to say. Reason helped pushed the Russia story for 4 years. They still push the J6 killed 5 people. If they are going this route shouldn’t they admit to their own histrionics and pushing of false narratives?

      1. “Trump fanatics took part in an attempted insurrection where five people were killed” is a true statement Reason staff is aware of.

        Whereas the simpler “Trump fanatics killed five people on Jan 6” is a false statement.

        Don’t glom the two together.

        1. Asshole thinks everyone is going to forget the last five years of lies.

        2. “Trump fanatics took part in an attempted insurrection

          This is a fantasy, it’s revealing left wingers can’t tell the difference.

          1. They really know how to commit to a lie. It’s rather impressive actually.

          2. Their stated goal was to stop the certification of the next fairly elected President.

            1. That would be president Trump. Not the senile child predator currently occupying the office.

            2. Yeah, and they were armed with facial tissue and nylon ties!
              Why don’t you find at least some bullshit which doesn’t make you look like the steaming pile of lefty shit that you are, and then fuck off and die?

              1. They actually grabbed the ties off of a security desk.

            3. No it wasn’t. You know videos were just released yesterday despite prosecutor objections right?

              Least violent insurrection in history.

              1. What do you mean? All those grannies walking around like they owned the place!

                1. They do own it. They pay for it.

                  1. They aren’t the proper class though.

            4. “Their stated goal was to stop the certification of the next fairly elected President.”

              BTW, Queen Asshole, who is “they”?

              1. Every person who entered the Capitol on January 6 without authorization. Every. Single. One.

            5. Their stated goal

              Yeah, they wrote it in a manifesto and posted it on their website, right White Mike? You sockpuppeting piece-of-shit.

              The fact that you’ll come here and think you can tell lies a toddler can see through, amazes me.

            6. Their stated goal was to pause the certification so a REAL investigation could be held to determine the identity of the next fairly elected President.

              FTFY

              Because it’s still very clear to anyone with eyes that the country’s running without one.

          3. Leftists, and Reason, took part in an actual coup.
            They deserve a reckoning.

            1. They think they’ll be safe.
              Thanks to the cops they hate.

        3. That’s a lie. 1 maybe 2 were killed 3 had heart attacks.

          1. And those were killed by the cops.

        4. Considering both are false, you just spewed nonsense.

          Typical lefty. As clueless as they come.

    2. If you are referring to Nick Gillespie, what specifically do you think he was wrong about?

      Are you aware that all through 2020, Gillespie repeatedly said on the Reason Roundtable podcast that he preferred a Trump win to a Biden win?

      1. Gillespie pushed a false narrative for years. He never disowned his actions.

      2. Everything related to trump russia he pushed and defended. But you know this.

        1. No, I certainly do not know this, and you know I have no like for Mike.

          To my knowledge, Nick never once pushed the Russia narrative. Not once. It is why I kept calling on him to rein in the ENBs and Binions during the whole Ukraine impeachment charade. He seemed to be the only sane one left.

          1. So, you’re saying he just ignored
            it. Neat.

            1. In his defense, I am not going to criticize somebody for not commenting on something they might, legitimately, give zero shits about.

    3. Excellent point, and personally I believe Nick is wrong about the election. Is anyone reporting on the Antrim County Forensic Audit and what it found (not here anyway). I read the report.

      Due to a close local race, a recount was required by law. They did the recount and another recount, and got 3 sets of results, all quite different. That led the local judge to get a forensic audit done. That audit showed most of the ballots were adjudicated (where some human can change the ballot on the Dominion system, supposedly for some problem with the ballot), a process you’ve probably never heard of in an election. Also, the logs showing who logged into the system and what they did, were removed, which suggests to me the guys logging in were covering their tracks.

      IMHO, in some Democrat controlled counties, they’ve instituted cheating, which is why they block observers and first oppose and then refuse to cooperate with investigations and audits, often after claiming things were fixed. That’s also why they shut down vote counting, so they can determine how many votes they need to manufacture after other counties have completed their counts.

      If Biden really wanted unity, he’d support audits of the elections, but he’s against them. He cheated, and they know it.

      1. I liked the attempt to draw a parallel between alleged election irregularities in a case where there was 4 years of federal investigation under a special prosecutor, to alleged election irregularities where the response from the feds has primarily been “There’s nothing to see here. So *stop looking*.”

        Especially since with the first of those all of the evidence was secret FISA court type stuff and the other happened live on the internet at 4 in the morning where everyone could see the sudden, massive, one sided vote count increases while the counting centers were supposedly closed.

        But sure, totally the same.

    4. “Hillary Clinton and the media’s “false insistence” on Kremlin interference.”…NOT FALSE…”No ‘Hoax’: Bipartisan Senate Report Confirms Russian 2016 Role, Putin Ordered DNC Hack, More…. Russian President Vladimir Putin directly ordered the hacking of the Democratic Party’s servers with the goal of leaking damaging information that would hurt then-candidate Hillary Clinton and provide a boost to President Trump’s campaign, the final report from the Senate Intelligence Committee’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election stated.
      The report also found that several top members of the 2016 Trump campaign staff posed grave national security risks to the U.S. over their ties to Russia, including Trump’s former 2016 campaign chair, Paul Manafort, who was a “grave counterintelligence threat” due to his contacts with a Russian intelligence officer.

      1. Too bad reality has trumped that report pretty badly, no?

    5. TL;DR I will say this: Bean bag chairs and memory foam dog-beds sleep better on a futon for me than anything on the market.

    6. I didn’t bother reading you comment, but I think the answer is Periwinkle.

  2. Yeah, the goddamn pillow guy saying nutty shit is the same as The FBI investigating a campaign based on fake evidence. Fonzie’s retarded brother sucks.

    1. One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just isn’t the same.

  3. “A federal grand jury has indicted attorney and cybersecurity consultant Michael Sussman for lying to the FBI when he presented the agency with alleged evidence that Donald Trump was in cahoots with the Kremlin.”

    Strangely enough, no articles about this in the Washington Post.

    1. All the print that fits the narrative.

      1. It’s almost always like this. They never check before they fling accusations that Reason (or whatever publication) didn’t cover story X.

        1. Which retarded contributer are you?

          1. Queen Anathema is another one of White Mike’s sockpuppets, just like White Knight and Joe Friday.

            He’s samefagging agreement with himself.

        2. Eat a bullet, Mike Laursen.

          1. He’d probably stick the gun up his ass.

      1. Oh, Queen Asshole found that someone who knew Trump is being charged with an unpaid parking ticket!
        The walls are closing in! It’s the tipping point! It’s the beginning of the end!
        (to Queen Asshole)

        1. This man is truly a moron.

          Jerry said no articles in the WaPo about this. Here are articles. Here is Sevo “Mommy, why did you do it, why!!!!’

          1. Sevo is like a dog that won’t stop eating cap shit.

            It’s all he knows.

            1. cat shit

              1. Your most intelligent comment.

            2. turd lies. It’s what turd does. turd is a pathological liar, too abysmally stupid to know that he is or to understand that everyone else knows he lies.
              If you find a turd comment which is not a lie, it is a mistake on his part.
              turd lies; it’s what he does.

              1. Wow, that’s a lot of sentences for Sevo. Granted, they are all just the same one, but good for him!

                1. But he’s absolutely right, White Mike.

                2. Why do you support the democrats when the only way you can advance their cause is to lie? Wouldn’t it make more sense to alter your affiliations to a less evil group?

              2. Turd is the mind killer.

                1. Queen Asshole is the random lefty shit buzzing around the room.

                  1. Like a “hunter seeker” of idiocy.

          2. If other will not, I will say that the claim of WaPo not mentioning was very, very incorrect.

        2. You didn’t actually follow the link

          How embarrassing for you.

  4. One election conspiracy had the full backing of the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, multiple former CIA operatives, and America’s intelligentsia. The other election conspiracy theory had the backing of a pillow salesman. Which lie is more dangerous to our democracy, you disingenuous wop!

    1. “The other election conspiracy theory had the backing of a pillow salesman … and the sitting president of the United States, as well as at least 100 congressmen and 5 senators”

      FTFY

      I mean come on man. Seriously?

      1. “The other election conspiracy theory had the backing of a pillow salesman … and not the FBI or the entire D contingent in congress”

        FIFY

        1. Did the entire D contingent vote to object to certification of Trump’s election? Didn’t the report from the former FBI director fail to implicate Trump in direct collusion?

          Also, didn’t Sevo get scarred in childhood in some way that made him this dumb?

          1. No, he ended up fighting in a bullshit war and can’t deal with the cognitive dissonance. I’ve sat on the sidelines of America’s wars— mostly denouncing them as either imperialist aggression or fools’ errands— so I don’t have the problem of squaring my belief in a limited government with the life that I’ve actually lived.

            1. A “limited government “ socialist. Everything about you is false.

              1. A limited government madman. Everything about you is false.

                Lol.

                1. You can do better, queen.

                    1. Quite.

            2. “…my belief in a limited government…”

              Fuck off and die, lying sumbitch.

              1. You really can’t be more predictable than Sevo, he’s like an amoeba.

                1. He’s the amoeba currently eating your brain.

                  1. Poor bastard is starving there.

          2. Queen Asshole, your inability to stay on subject is but one of the reasons I ask that you fuck off and die.

            1. I get it Sevo. Your dad let you and your mom down. I certainly didn’t let your mom down. And now your upset and irrationally expressing it.

              It’s. Not. Your. Fault.

              Yeah, you were a little weirdo like your dad, sitting in the corner masturbating and yelling ‘fuck you lefist, die’, but that’s probably not why your mom ignored you and…found…do many guys like me…

              1. Stop relating your childhood stories queenie.

          3. Did the entire R contingent? No. So again. Pushing a false narrative.

            1. Lies are all it has.

            2. Call it “lying”; it’s OK to call a steaming pile of lying lefty shit a liar.

      2. One had a bunch of fabricated “evidence”, the other has circumstances and the laws of math backing it.

  5. Michael Sussman was indicted for lying to the FBI which proves Nick Gillespie is a TDS lunatic.

    Look, I’m just following his careful line of reasoning.

    1. Michael Flynn and Roger Stone lied to the FBI.

      So pardon Sussman too.

      1. The FBI agents that actually interviewed Flynn said he didn’t lie. But you know this, and said it anyway.

        1. It can’t stop lying.

          1. It doesn’t have anything else. Except maybe a young boy tied up in his basement.

        2. He lied which is also why Trump discharged him after Flynn also lied to VP Pence

        3. Not “the agents … discerned no physical indications of deception. They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.”

          Flynn was just very good at lying when he spoke to the agents, but the fact is Flynn admitted lying to the FBI in a sworn statement.

          But you know this, and said it anyway.

  6. Russia did involve itself in the 2016 election to favor Trump. And Trump associated with known Russian stooges. There were silly, extreme versions of theories based on this, but not as silly as those of Trump and many of his followers.

    1. You have nothing but lies.

      1. It’s a bit too ironic that you literally have nothing in your ‘rebuttal.’

        1. The truth is coming out. Deal with it.

          1. What is this ‘truth’ my crass nutjob? Why don’t you share it with us? Is it like your precious bodily fluids which you will not let the commies trick you into ever releasing?

            1. Weird that you would reference that movie.
              Since you guys have been looking for Russians under your beds for five fucking years.

              1. So, no answer, got it. Pathetic.

                1. Eat shit. (Not that you need any encouragement.)

                  1. Note, still no answer. Sad.

                    1. Still a liar. Sad!

                    2. Queen Asshole is under the misconception that lefty shits are due some reasoned response to their bullshit.

                    3. “Queen Asshole is under the misconception that lefty shits are due some reasoned response to their bullshit.”

                      Sevo, I always listened to your mom’s response about her bullshit when I Greek loved her.

                  2. Note, still no answer. Sad.

                    Vulgar makes no arguments, he’s just angry. When your mom lets you down, that’s what follows.

                    1. When was the first time your mommie let you down, queenie?

                    2. Still the answer Queen Asshole deserves.
                      Fuck off and die.

        2. Queen asshole expects someone to “rebut” a pile of lies?
          OK. You’re full of shit.

          1. I realize the word ‘rebut’ is triggering to Sevo (see his mom and ‘but’), but again the guy can barely make sentences. It must have been bad….

            1. How do you rebut the ramblings of a homeless bum?

              1. Sevo’s dad? Are you him? The matching inability to make complex statements does suggest it…

                1. That’s you shitbag.

                  1. No, I passed a stooped over, homeless looking toothless bum when it was my turn with his mom, he mumbled something under 1o words, that was you, right bro?

                    1. Again you assume your history is someone else’s.

                    2. Well, I was the one passing, and you sound a lot like the few worded hunchback kid I passed.

                      I get why you’re mad, but look, I made your mom SO happy. You should thank me.

        3. You’re so full of shit it’s better to simply flush than discuss. You come in with an armload of bullshit to fling out and expect to get taken seriously?

          Fuck off, you worthless moppet.

    2. This person pretty much has it DIE LEFTIST SCUM. DIE.

      1. Fuck off and die, commie shit.

        1. The lack of self awareness is the Chef’s Kiss here! Lol.

          1. Fuck off and die, lefty asshole.

            1. This poor guy, he’s like a one trick pony if the pony was retarded and had tourettes.

              1. Again with the irony!

                1. Lol, strikes close to home, huh?

                  1. You’re the worst chat bot I’ve ever seen.

                    1. Stings? Maybe you can put some pee on that.

                    2. Certainly not the first time you’ve applied that, right?

                    3. She is Queen of Denial

                    4. And the Asshole Queen!

                    5. Is there some rule that Trumpistas can’t make sentences with more than double digits words? Or is it just the nature of what’s going on.

                    6. Biden cultists always seem to be projecting.

                    7. Just Seebo. He been one-wording for like ever.

                    8. sarc’s drunk

      2. American Socia1ist = deadly virus

    3. Queen Asshole is still sucking on that teat!
      Fucking lefty losers…

      1. Ah, Sevo. If an infant knew curse words it would be him.

        1. Ah, Queen Asshole! I knew you’d be here to make a public ass of yourself.
          Fuck off and die.

          1. Where does Sevo’s childishly simplistic anger come from? I think it’s something like the scene in Watchmen when the John enters Rosarch’s mom’s room and pats him on the head. The impotent anger!

            1. Fuck off and die, lefty asshole.

              1. He balls up his little fists and yells!

                1. Stop with the child rape
                  fantasies!

            2. I enjoy it. Don’t say anything to stop it.

              1. He’s a walking caricature and at least is lacking in enough self awareness to embrace it!

                1. Most ironic comment ever

                  1. Children struggle with irony.

                    1. Children usually struggle to escape you.

                    2. Oh, look at the lil’ Q’anon Buster!

                    3. Stranger danger is real.

                2. Fuck off and die, lefty shits.

                  1. So cute when he waves those fists!

                    1. Be much better around here if you’d fuck off and die Queen Asshole.

                  2. He kind of smiles when he impotently waves his fists! Awww.

                    1. Is that a memory of your last rape, queenie?

                3. Just go with it. That’s what I do. He’s held me, a boring Welfare State Social Democrat, personally responsible for the Holomodor and 100 million deaths. Talk about fun!

                  1. Says the socialist.

                  2. Commie shit’s dishonesty is but one of the reasons gets a regular invitation to fuck off and die.
                    No, commie shit, I hold you responsible for supporting the regimes which murdered at least 100 million innocent people, but you know that and lie about it anyhow.
                    Fuck off and die, commie shit.

                    1. I get it now. Because he mom so freely shared her puss he’s got this anger about communism…

                    2. “I get it now. Because he mom so freely shared her puss he’s got this anger about communism…”

                      Yeah, one more supporter of mass murderers! Wonderful company you have there, Queen Asshole!

                  3. BTW, parasitic asshole, why not brag about sticking the honest people with your mortgage? You haven’t crowed about that in a while.
                    As a parasite, that must be one of your proudest moments!

                4. “He’s a walking caricature and at least is lacking in enough self awareness to embrace it!”

                  That describes most of the conservatives on this site.

                  If you are offended it’s only because it’s true. You know who you are.

                  1. Wow, you finally showed up to dispense your faggotted retardation

        2. Don’t tell us about what you do to infants, queenie.

          1. I would just say to protect them from disturbed folks like you.

            At the least I want the to be able to make complex sentences.

            But, I get it, your mom made very few complex sentences when I was with her. Mostly grunts, actually. And religious exclamations (sorry for the big word, lil’ fellow).

            1. You guys should really run with the pro-pedo thing in
              2024.

    4. Read the Mueller report. Russia wanted to sow discontent. It did not care who won, it wanted people to question the integrity of the office.

      But that would require you to educate yourself.

      And how is Trump being a manchurian candidate not more silly? Because you’re a liberal?

      1. I thought Mueller was a Democrat/Commie/Vessel of Hugo Chavez’ spirit?

        1. Keep being a retard, it’s funny.

          1. You do know sentences can be longer than 10 words, right? (Much less arguments, but let’s not confuse the lil’ guy).

            1. Posting a wall of text nobody will ever read doesn’t make you smart.

              1. It’s hard for juveniles to verbalize, especially when they’ve been damaged. Take a breath, and do your best lil’ buddy!

                1. Again with nothing to say.

                  1. Projection is a helluva drug, even for babies.

                    1. Why are you always thinking about babies?

        2. Nice non sequitur. So you’re not trying to argue honestly in any way.

          1. If, unlike Sevo or Vulgar, you’re capable of honest argument I prefer it.

            I agree that the Report and other sources suggest 1. Russia did try to support Trump to sow chaos (can’t think of a better decision on their part!) and 2. that it can’t be shown that Trump ‘colluded’ with them in a significant way.

            That’s the thing though, I think Lidell is pure fantasy, and while many leftists are also fantastical to think there was this conspiracy between Trump and Russia what is true is that Russia made efforts to support Trump.

            1. Who would Russia support,
              Hillary, who sold American uranium to Russia, or her opponent?

              1. Baby man speaks!

                1. Really, can’t you keep your lust for babies quiet?

                2. Queen Amalthea
                  September.23.2021 at 7:07 pm
                  Flag Comment Mute User
                  If, unlike Sevo or Vulgar, you’re capable of honest argument I prefer it.

                  Liar posts this, then VM posts an on topic question, and liar responds with this.

              2. Per the report Russian main intent was to sow doubt about the election.

                They were shocked when Trump won the nomination. They did not prefer him.

                If you look at trumps actions vs rissia vs Hillary and Obama, he was far worse.

                One of bidens first acts was to give russia energy pathways to Europe. Hilary gave them military tech. Obama gave them land.

            2. “If, unlike Sevo or Vulgar, you’re capable of honest argument I prefer it.”

              If Queen Asshole were other than a lying piece of lefty shit, she might deserve an honest argument.
              She isn’t
              Fuck off and die.

              1. The anger of a whore’son can’t be mitigated…

                1. That should be the title of your autobiography.

            3. Your very first premise is wrong and proves you didn’t read the report.

              2. Mueller explicitly said there was no collusion.

              We know for a fact Hillary campaign did however.

      2. The aim is to confuse rather than convince, to trash the information space so the audience gives up looking for any truth amid the chaos.
        Inside Putin’s Information War – Peter Pomerantsev

    5. Russia did involve itself in the 2016 election to favor Trump.

      This statement is demonstrably true.

      The Trump campaign met with Kremlin officials at the Trump Tower to share data harmful to the Clinton campaign.

      All parties have admitted it. Records exist that prove it.

      1. Another goddamn lie.

        1. You’ve gone Peak Lindell.

          1. Nah, he’s Nadir Lindell.

            1. Everyone knows who that is.

        2. turd lies; you have to expect that. turd is incapable of telling tthe truth; turd lies.

          1. Turd! Turd! Turd! Turd!

            You have to excuse Sevo, the backdoor adventures of his mom with so many others has caused a strange fixation it seems.

            1. This fantasy of yours is…disturbing. Please get professional help.

            2. You’re sounding desperate. Probably time to stop drinking.

      2. Maybe you would like to share those “records” with us?

    6. Given that precisely zero of Trump’s policies were beneficial to Russia (Biden, on the other hand, VERY beneficial), that Trump was Putin’s “stooge” does not pass the smell test.

  7. Before Mike Lindell’s lunatic claims and Donald Trump’s sour grapes over 2020, there was Hillary Clinton and the media’s false insistence on Kremlin interference.

    I know I’ll be roundly denounced by Dear Leader’s gay lovers here on Reason, but if by “false insistenceon” you mean “accurate depiction of” you’ve pretty much nailed it

    The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials—hacks that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government—began that same month. Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in October and November.
    In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks’s first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.

    U.S. Justice Department Kiddie Diddler Deep State Democrat Headquarter Bunker Report

    1. “…I know I’ll be roundly denounced by Dear Leader’s gay lovers here on Reason, but if by “false insistenceon” you mean “accurate depiction of” you’ve pretty much nailed it…”

      As a lying piece of lefty shit, you’ll be denounced by just about everyone, asshole.

      1. One trick retarded tourette pony indeed. Neigh, lefty shit, neigh!

        1. Fuck off and die, Queen Asshole.

          1. You certainly proved me wrong!

            1. How can you disprove nonsense?

    2. A biased report where Mueller literally said there was no coordination between Trump or Russia… and still found a way to write ever so many pages on it. Then couldn’t answer what was in his report in front of Congress because he didn’t write it.

      Good cite. Now find the crime. Thanks!

      We do know for a fact that Hillary worked with Russians through Steele. So at least we have some facts there.

      1. A biased report written by a lifelong GOP operative. You can’t make this up, folks.

        1. Hey look, another non sequitur.

          Have you been to D.C. The majority of life long republicans there are purely foils to the 90% left that reside there. This includes the FBI and the IC. Jennifer Rubin also claimed to be a conservative and now defends Biden more than most ardent leftists.

          Basically what I’m saying is your arguments are nonsensical and purely political.

          1. I lived inside the beltway. I rejoiced when I finally defected.

            1. I remember seeing you there, at the shelter. I was like ‘stop shitting on the floor, there are toilets! Remember?’

              1. Sounds like you are recalling your first experience with a mirror.

              2. Shrike doesn’t even pretend to be not a leftist anymore.

                1. Nope. Been a lying pile of lefty shit when s/he first showed up supporting some public program for parasites; hasn’t changed a bit.

          2. This is a great example of the asymmetrical situation here: imagine if a lifelong Democrat were appointed to investigate a Democrats wrong doing. Jesse’s would howl to the moon like Howling 14. But when a lifelong GOP is appointed to investigate a GOP they…do the same. It doesn’t matter, for with conspiracy theorists the game is totally asymmetical, any lifelong GOP that doesn’t tell them what they wanted to hear has obviously been brainwashed and such.

            1. Your imagination would actually be applicable if democrats ever actually put themselves under investigation through a special council. They don’t.

              And Mueller was not an ardent republican ever. Find one public statement of his in support.

              Obama was never investigated for any of his crimes such as the smuggling of weapons into Mexico, as an example.

              So your claims are laughable at the outset pedo.

              And yes we know it is you “peanut.”

              1. I still don’t understand why the pedophile insists on calling people peanuts (it’s what Charlie Brown and his childhood friends were called in the original comics, to the younger commentators here) and mentioning sloppy pullouts.

                I know this comment section is the Wild West of comment sections, but a pedophile, who’s already been banned once for posting links to child pornography, insisting on posting these things repeatedly is beyond the pale.

            2. “imagine if a lifelong Democrat were appointed to investigate a Democrats wrong doing.”

              We call them the media.

              Ironic how many major “news” people were aides for Democrats. Very ironic.

        2. You just did make it up. “lifelong GOP operative” is literally made up.

        3. Jennifer Rubin was a “lifelong” Republican. Just sayin’.

  8. “From Russiagate To the MyPillow Guy,…”

    One of these is not like the other AT ALL!

    1. Finally, we agree.

      1. No, we don’t, lying pile of commie shit.

    2. Gillespie is just another lying shithead.

      1. OMG, he rebutted Gillespie by….calling him a lying shithead.

        Trump supporters folks.

        1. I made a statement of fact.
          He pushed the story, and when it was proven false, he didn’t say a damned thing. He’s a liar.

          1. His head is made of shit?

            You can’t assume that because he smelled like your mom’s ass when he walked out of her room, dude.

            1. Interesting… could this be a story from your childhood?
              Care to share it?

              1. More from adulthood. Your mom did smell like ass, that’s a well known fact. But just because she serviced one of us doesn’t mean we were a ‘shithead.’

                1. But really, when were you first abused? I’m listening!

                  1. I don’t think it’s abuse when your mom offered her ass to me immediately. I know she said your father was inadequate there, but she seemed really compliant in that area, if you know what I mean. I can see where that would make you angry, but look, your dad is doing something *really* important cleaning up at the elementary school. There are lots of ways of being important other than satisfying a woman.

                    Oh, crap, I’ve said way too many words for you…Sorry lil’ man.

                    1. Is that you Gillespie? You dad fuck?

                    2. See, too many words, he got confused. Cute lil’ bugger though!

                    3. Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.

                    4. Sevo baby mad, smash!

                    5. I don’t think it’s abuse when your mom offered her ass to me immediately.

                      You keep talking about his mom’s ass. How it smells, how it tastes.

                      Look, we understand you’re a coprophage, but your endless fascination at being his mom’s living toilet, to drown your leftist dreams in the bodily waste you know you are so much less than is getting to be a bit much.

                      Why not grab a handful of change, and run down to the underpass and pay a few bums to shit in your mouth like you do whenever you get depressed that you’re too much of a pussy to kill yourself?

                      This time make sure you’re AWAY from the CCTV cameras.

                      Thanks.

  9. And, let’s not forget the “hanging chads” that went all the way to SCOTUS.

  10. Time for another reminder about the existence of that Time Magazine article bragging about how the election was rigged, since Reason is determined to pretend it doesn’t exist:

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

    1. We have an illegitimate government that is actively waging war on the American people, and leftists are LITERALLY cancer. Things are going to get a lot worse.

      1. I’m actually at a point in my life when im ok with this.

  11. Let’s Stop with Electoral Conspiracy Theories before anymore are shown to be true.
    If an indictment that is favorable to Trump triggers Gillespie this way, it’ll be fascinating to see how he reacts should any further evidence of election malfeasance be discovered in either Arizona or Georgia.

    1. Which ones have proven to be true? I’d love a cite. Zerohedge and Infowars will work for a laugh.

      1. You mean other than the evidence of duplicate ballots that was presented to Fulton County Judge Amero?

        1. You’re not that stupid, are you?

        2. LOL… Thank you!

          1. It’s nice when your sock agrees with you, isn’t it honey?

      2. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-rules-virginias-late-election-law-changes-for-mail-in-ballots-were-illegal/ar-BB1d9atb

        I could provide more than a dozen more. And that’s just for rule changes made illegal.

        I could do many on changed votes, double voters, indicted for vote fraud, abnormal adjudicated ballots, election officials violating state law, etc.

        1. That’s actually good! The best arguments Trump had were these election rule changes. I thought one of the Wisconsin ones was a good example. But would you concede that he and his supporters made lots of wacky charges that drowned out these more serious ones?

          1. People on both sides make wacky claims. But do I need to highlight what ASs claim was dumbass?

            You have made whacky claims in this very thread. The left is blaming trump for the current border crisis for fucks sake.

            You are really bad at argumentation. Too much child porn shrike.

  12. Sussman was indicted for peddling false information to the FBI in order to trigger an investigation that would damage Trump during the election. He knew what he was saying wasn’t true. He colluded with an “tech executive,” a university, and the Clinton campaign. He shopped it to news outlets, knowing it was a fabrication. They completely made up the Trump-Alfa Bank connection. It. Was. A. Complete. Lie.

    That’s not the same as Mike Lidell being crazy.

  13. The writer’s ignorance – or servile buying of the “no collusion” lie – is embarrassing for a magazine named “Reason”. Perhaps he’d benefit from reading the report from the GOP led Senate Intel Report of 2020 which, based on their thousands of hours on interviews and work of their fact finding staff concluded That Putin personally ordered his government to aid Trump and injure Clinton, that Trump welcomed this effort, holding meetings in Trump Tower between his most senior campaign members and Kremilin operatives, having a senior campaign member pass polling data to a Kremlin troll farms, and having old friend Roger Stone working with Kremlin stooge and Greenwald butt buddy Assange on timing of leaks to the media of stolen DNC emails.

    Enjoy!
    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf

    Here’s a taste:

    “The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed the hack-andleak campaign targeting the DNC, DCCC, and the Clinton Campaign. Moscow’s intent was to
    damage the Clinton Campaign and tarnish what it expected might be a Clinton presidential
    administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican
    nominee, and generally undermine the U.S. democratic process. The Committee’s findings are
    based on a variety of information, including raw intelligence reporting.
    (U) The hack-and-leak campaign was conducted by the GRU through specialized cyber
    units, executed using established GRU infrastructure, and planned and coordinated by GRU
    headquarters elements. Starting in March 2016, the GRU used spearphishing techriiques to gain
    unauthorized access to the email accounts of individuals associated with the Clinton Campaign,
    including Campaign Manager John Podesta, and stole thousands of emails. In April 2016, the
    GRU leveraged stolen credentials ofJsome of these individuals to obtain further unauthorized
    access to the networks of the DNC and DCCC, where it identified and carefully exfiltrated tens
    of thousands of politically sensitive documents from April through June 2016. 1112 The GRU .
    continued to conduct hacking operations to obtain additional material from accounts associated
    with the Clinton Campaign until at least September 2016.
    (U) The GRU quickly integrated the materials it stole during its hacking operation into
    an influence operation that relied on two primary fake personas-Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks-to
    promote and disseminate the hacked documents. The influence activities using these personas
    spanned June 2016 through the election, and included attempts to obscure Russia’s responsibility
    for the hacking operation. 1113 In addition to publishing the stolen documents, the Russian
    personas used social engineering to seed information with specific individuals associated with
    the Trump Campaign. The GRU also relied on U.S. social media platforms and media attention
    for its influence operations.
    -WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian
    campai~knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort. The
    Committee found significant indications that Julian Assan e and WikiLeaks have benefited from
    Russian government su art

    While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump
    Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump’s electoral prospects.
    To do so, the Trump Campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases
    of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once
    WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and
    share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of
    information and continued leaks.
    (U) Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about
    WikiLeaks through Roger Stone. In spring 2016, prior to Assange’s public announcements,
    Stone advised the Campaign that WikiLeaks would be releasing materials harmful to Clinton.
    Following the July 22 DNC release, Trump and the Campaign believed that Roger Stone had
    known of the release and had inside access to WikiLeaks, and repeatedly communicated with
    Stone about WikiLeaks throughout the summer and fall of 2016. Trump and other senior
    Campaign officials specifically directed Stone to obtain information about upcoming document
    releases relating to Clinton and report back. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside
    knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and
    senior Campaign officials on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone
    had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone’s information suggested more
    releases would be forthcoming. ”

    And so on.

    1. LOL! An entire section on Carter Page and Papadopolous. You thought this was serious and proved something?

      By the way, FISA courts ruled the entire FISA warrant applications for Page were illegal. Weird. Almost like the government was lying to spy on a campaign.

      1. The warrants predated the campaigns, right?

        1. No. The campaign started in 2015 dummy.

          1. In reality started in 2014

        2. Admit it. You don’t care if you post things that are false on behalf of your narrative.

    2. A retarded wall of text nobody will ever read.

      1. This guy really is a word minimalist.

        And probably an idea one too.

        1. Minimalism beats being a lying fuck who posts for money.

          1. You’re confused, you’re mom did it for money, but I certainly don’t. Don’t generalize!

            1. Queen Asshole claims to want honest conversation!
              Of course you didn’t; no one would pay for sex with you!
              Fuck off and die, asshole.

              1. You’re starting to get there, my experience with your mom is that we paid for sex with her. She wasn’t pretty, that’s for sure, and she lived in an actual pigpen, but she just was willing to do so much.

                1. You like children, not women.

            2. No, you download your kiddie porn free.

    3. Another spaz post nobody will read.
      Seek help, Friday.

    4. And strangely enough, no one else found any evidence of anything other than a couple of gifs!
      Hundreds of people who hated Trump’s guts spent four years trying to find every bit of trash they could on Trump, and this report somehow never got a look?
      Looks like JF found yet another way to make a public ass of himself.
      Fuck off and die, Joe.

    5. Holy shit… don’t make eye contact. Rachel Maddow is back in the comments.

    6. Hey Joe, you never responded if you read the actual study from your cite the other day or just the article that mentioned it. You know, the one where you changed the subject from freedom to economic growth? But even then, I went ahead and read the study, and I don’t think it said what you think.

      Again, yes or no, did you read the actual study before you posted the article about it?

      1. R Mac, the quote is from the report – written by the way by a Republican controlled Committee which spent thousands of hours interviewing and investigating facts – not an article about it, so yes I read it and now you have read some of it. Trump and his campaign colluded with the Russians in 2016.

        “collude: cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others.”

        1. No dummy, I’m talking about the article the other day about economic growth. Your poor reading comprehension is noted.

  14. I blame a lot of this on the progressives for coming after our rights. If progressives weren’t so openly hostile to basic rights like free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc., fewer people would care whether the Republicans or the Democrats were running things. Because progressives are so openly hostile to our basic rights and because their agenda on everything from climate change to creating whole new classes of entitlements is so radical, they make who runs things a more important issue than it needs to be.

    1. P.S. The other aspect of the same thing is the elitism of progressives. The progressives have spent the last eight years denouncing the blue collar middle class as xenophobic, misogynistic, homophobic, and racist. Once you convince people that you hate them, they become extremely reluctant to accept your claim to authority over them. You can’t make wedge issues the only feature of your politics, for eight or nine years, and then be surprised that you’ve divided the country against you. For goodness’ sake, a year ago we were still arguing with people who said that if you described arson and looting as a riot, you were a racist. How can you act like that and feign surprise that people are reluctant to accept your power over them?

      1. Ken, blue collar Americans favored Hillary and Biden. Look it up. The term does not just refer to white people.

        1. Joe, Trump won the primaries in 2016 because Democrats voted for Trump in states with open primaries. Trump won the presidency because blue collar swing voters in the rust belt states of Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin voted for him.

          Look it up.

          “But this year, blue-state Republicans have abandoned the establishment for Donald J. Trump. So far, Mr. Trump has won every non-caucus contest in a state carried by Barack Obama in 2012, with the exception of John Kasich’s home state, Ohio . . . .

          His appeal in historically Democratic areas is a reflection of strength among new Republicans — whether they be white Southerners or white Roman Catholics and working-class voters in the North who would have had no place in the Republican Party a half-century ago.

          Mr. Trump’s strength among those voters, who decades ago represented the base of the Democratic Party, helps explain the resilience of his candidacy. It’s no surprise that they are not offended by his unorthodox policy views, like his embrace of entitlement programs or his opposition to free trade. They may have moved to the Republican side, but they still have moderate views on economics.

          —-New York Times, March 26, 2016

          https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/upshot/trumps-secret-weapon-blue-state-voters.html

        2. Hillary had fewer with faith in her than Bigfoot has believers.

    2. Progressives really are the worst Americans.

      1. Progressives are America’s most horrible people!

        1. Ken, drunk at 7:37?

          But hey, judging from the typical comments on this board, what is it about Libertarians that makes you proud. This place is a zoo.

          1. It often seems that way to people whose views aren’t anchored in facts or logic.

    3. “f progressives weren’t so openly hostile to basic rights like free speech, freedom of religion, ”

      That progressive Trump, wanting people fired for expressing their views (NFL, ESPN), tightening of libel law, etc.

      And those liberals fighting to stop mosques in their area.

      Just give up.

      1. Yeah, I remember the legislation Trump proposed to punish them.
        Stop lying!

        1. Did he not call for people to be fired and the tightening of libel law? There are other ways to push for things than proposing legislation.

          But I think you might be scarred by when your mom had her benefits canceled and you had to see her sacrifice your school supplies for your ‘uncle’s’ cufflinks….

          1. Fuck off and die, TDS-addled pile of lefty shit.

            1. He has no response other than to ball up his lil’ fists and scream!

              1. Another child rape fantasy?

                1. Shrike’s specialty.

                2. “Another child rape fantasy?”

                  Lefty assholes always seem to imagine that others are interested in their erotic fantasies.
                  Tony, turd, Queen Asshole, sarc and others…

                  1. It’s a common trait of declining civilizations.

          2. The court’s are already startling to tighten libel laws, see Nunez, pedo.

            Now where is the law? I can show you democrats hate speech laws.

          3. He was applying the Democrats own standard to them and they hated it.

          4. Yeah queenie Calling for something is legislation.

      2. Initially I read “mosques” as “masks”.

      3. You really just aren’t even on the same planet… Too much kiddie porn rots the brain.

  15. The only election loss that democrats could except in the 21st century was poor John Kerry. Remember when he got “swift boated” and that was such a bad thing? Boo hoo?

    When you lose an election, you can do a few things. One is learn from it. The other is figure out why you were really supposed to win except for evil. They’re going to pick the latter for a good long while.

    1. Hell, they didn’t even fully accept Kerry. “Voter irregularities in Ohio!”

      https://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote.1718

      Apparently this is an assault on democracy. Whatever. Here’s a dollar. Go buy some integrity.

  16. I’m old enough to remember when people accused the Supreme Court of conspiring with George Bush to steal the election from Al Gore. And I know enough history to be aware of all the rumors and allegations surrounding Kennedy’s victory over Nixon. But sure, this conspiracy theory crap started with Trump and any intimations that there might be any funny business going on in our pure, holy, noble, and honorable political system is the most vile of slanders if it tends to diminish the faith of the peasantry in just how pure, holy, noble, and honorable our political system is.

    Personally, I’m thinking of starting a rumor that politicians are all members of a secret troupe of vampires who need to be killed by having stakes driven through their hearts. Hopefully, I can get some traction with that particular rumor.

  17. As soon as the electoral vote isn’t entirely MONOPOLIZED – then maybe the “conspiracy theories” can be put to rest.

    However; I see far too much CENSORSHIP (Trump), and LOOK THE OTHER WAY articles today to pretend there is any ACTUAL integrity to the ballot box and voting process.

    Perhaps the “conspiracy theories” are signalling a LACK of integrity; eh? Oh no, never — Such an obvious solution couldn’t be it.

    1. …And Russia-gate? Blaming ads from Russia from swaying an election? What kind of Nazi-Party thinks public political ADS are a threat to election integrity?? Um, probably the same Nazi-Party that would actually STUFF a ballot box?

  18. You know who else used conspiracy theories to advance a political agenda?

    1. The world’s foremost socialist, Adolph hitler?

    2. This (below) poetry inspired by the REAL facts of a REAL nightmare (AKA “political agenda”)!

      https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
      Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

      “The Sound Of Despots”

      Hello darkness, my old friend, I’ve come to talk with you again
      Because a nightmare in jackboots, left its seeds while I was sleeping
      And the nightmare that was planted in my brain, still remains
      Within the sound of despots

      In nightmares I ran alone, narrow streets of cobblestone
      Neath the halo of a streetlamp, I turned my collar to the cold and damp
      When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of an orange blight, split the night
      And touched the sound of despots

      And in their naked greed I saw, millions of sheeple, maybe more
      Sheeple talking without speaking, sheeple hearing without listening
      Sheeple’s thoughts, sanity never shared, and no one dared
      To question the despots!

      Fool, said I, you do not know, despots, like a cancer, grows
      Hear my words and I might teach you, take my arms then I might reach you
      But my words, like silent raindrops fell, and echoed in the wells of despots

      And the morons bowed and prayed to the orange god they’d made
      And the sign flashed its warning in the words that it was forming
      And the sign said the words of the despots are written in the echo chambers
      And tenement halls, and shouted, in the sounds of despots

      1. the orange god — WHO CUT the POWERS of his own Government???

        You’re so full of sh*t…
        You cannot argue a single point so you resort to poems of deceit and manipulation of grand-standing fairy-tales instead.

      2. Democratic Propaganda … How to elect an Adolf Hitler who supports Nazism (def; National Socialism) while projecting their own stupidity onto everyone else.

    3. BLM and their supporters? Schiff and all democrats about J6?

  19. So is the logic here that because the democrats falsely accused Trump of election fraud, they couldn’t have actually committed election fraud themselves?

    1. Blaming everyone for everything they do is becoming a Democratic Slogan.

      1. Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot, WHEN are you going to stoop so low as to answer the questions of the lowly peons like me? WHICH is the One True Party of the USA (the world? The galaxy? Whatever it is that you want to rule)? WHAT should be the penalty for wanting to follow a WRONG party? WHY do you NEVER answer simple, basic questions?

        https://reason.com/2021/01/18/carjacker-beaverton-mom-kid-waiting/#comment-8710844
        Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot believes that the USA already is (and should be) a 1-party dictatorshit! That the USA HAS BEEN a 1-party dictatorshit for some 200 years!!! There is NO point in trying to persuade the Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot of ANYTHING! Almost ALL of the circuits of the Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot have gone kaput, big-time!

        Model TJJ2000 Dictatorbot is lusting after an UPGRADE to its rusting old body! Wants to be upgraded to Model TJJ20666 Dictatorbot, and run for POTUS in 2024, with Alex Jones as the VEEP of Model TJJ20666 Dictatorbot!!! Be ye WARNED!!! Model TJJ20666 Dictatorbot will be well-nigh INDESTRUCTIBLE! (Unreachable by ANY logic or considerations for the freedoms of others, MOST certainly!)

        PLEASE do NOT enable the lusting of the rusting TJJ20000 Dictatorbot!!!

        1. ‘Nother asshole spastic flag!

      2. It’s their only play. They do it over and over and over again. Their followers are so stupid it just works.

  20. Sure, all you guys gotta do is adequately explain why all the swing states stopped counting when Trump only needed a couple more to win, then they all flipped overnight.

    “Shut up” isn’t an explanation.

    1. “Shut up” is all they have.

    2. Don’t even need that. Ask why Pennsylvania destroyed their ballot envelopes despite state law. Ended signature checks. In some areas tripled percentage of adjudicated ballots. Ignored thousands of double voters refusing to prosecute.

    3. The math doesn’t work for a Biden victory, but shut up because math is racist.
      2+2=5, comrade

    4. Explain something you just made up, that didn’t actually happen. Sure, right.

      1. We all lived through election night, idiot.

        1. I remember knowing what was about to happen when “the pipe burst”. Very few things have surprised me since.

  21. Maybe not the best time for this piece with the Arizona report coming out tomorrow. Here’s hoping Nick has to eat his jacket.

  22. No, Nick, what needs to stop is people like you browbeating the public to shut up and accept the lying Big Media narrative of the past five years — much of which has already been disproven for the world to see, if they just pay attention to alt-media.

    The Arizona audit report, which will be presented to the Arizona state senate this Friday at 1 pm MST and broadcast live on Rumble, is an example.

    1. Nick is corporate fascist fuck.

  23. The conspiracy theory is that Biden won.

    Trump didn’t lose one election case in court. What happened is corrupt judges refused to allow the cases to be heard.

    In the meantime more and more states are following AZ and will begin forensic audits

    How did a guy who spent most of his time leading up to the election spend all of his time in his basement and get the most votes in American history?

    The Arizona 2020 Election Audit Report will be out tomorrow. Let’s see what it says. It was interesting that Biden narrowly won AZ and he did it by flipping districts that were historically solid Republican. Pretty good for guy who spent so much time in his basement.

    1. Maricopa hadn’t gone to a Democrat since Truman.

      1. Biden is more popular than Truman. He’s a real leader.

        1. Obviously. He got 12 million more votes than the first black President. Wait a minute…doesn’t that make him a white supremacist?

        2. He’s more popular than FDR JFK
          or anybody!

          1. I find it amazing that the vast majority of America looks on as Biden struggled to get 300 people to attend his rallies while Trump had no trouble filling stadiums… Yet team D managed record turnouts? And somehow Biden lost ground with Black voters and Hispanic voters… But still .. record turnout?

            Not impossible.. but still, one would think it worthy of some degree of public surprise and examination.

            1. Um, point of order, the OVERFLOW from Trump’s rallies were 10x – 20x what Biden’s rallies were.

              The only reasonable explanation that I could come up with is Biden’s primary constituency was the KAREN-19 paranoia crowd, who were literally holed up in their houses wearing four masks and had saran wrap and duct tape covering the entire structure. So they sure as hell weren’t going to attend a biden rally live.

              But yeah, Trump who increased his vote totals over 2020, even in the bluest of blue areas, got beaten out by a guy in severe cognitive decline with anemic turnout at his highly publicized events.

              1. “Biden’s primary constituency was the KAREN-19 paranoia crowd, who were literally holed up in their houses wearing four masks and had saran wrap and duct tape covering the entire structure.”

                That was definitely part of it. At least one rally I saw was like a drive in theater, but without enough cars to keep a drive in theater in business.

                They still pushed this fear to keep people inside, despite historically, needing them to leave their house to vote. It’s almost like they had the new way this country votes already figured out awhile ago. And now any attempt to return it to how it was is racist.

                And now, not just racist by liberal media, but by the courts. “You’re a racist” currently is legal precedent in this country.

            2. 300? There were two dozen at the most.

              1. we’re willing to throw Biden a frickin bone here, ok people?

        3. “Biden is more popular than Truman. He’s a real leader.”

          If you don’t believe that, wake him up and ask for a phone number for the Taliban leader!

          1. “Biden is more popular than Truman. He’s a real leader.”

            Truman was wildly unpopular because he was unelected, mishandled a series of massive strikes that froze the economy, and because he worked to end wartime price controls on food.

            “The vote was largely seen as a referendum on Truman, whose approval rating had sunk to 32 percent[1] over the president’s controversial handling of a wave of post-war labor strikes, including a United Auto Workers strike against Ford and General Motors in 1945, a United Mine Workers strike starting in April 1946, and a national railroad worker strike that began in May. Further damage resulted from the back-and-forth over whether to end wartime price controls”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

            The Democrats lost 54 seats in the House in 1946 because of Truman.

            Bragging about being more popular than Truman is like bragging about smelling better than a dead skunk.

            1. Ken, Truman won the ’48 election by 4.5 points over Dewey (2.2 million votes), 2 points over Dewey plus Thurmond (1.2 million votes), Biden won by 4.4 points over Trump (7 million votes), so close call.

              Problem for you is the GOP has won only one popular vote in the last 8 presidential elections (Kerry), and contrary to your false claim about blue collar voters, they never win that group either (blue collar includes black and Latino voters, not just whites).

              1. There’s no such thing as a popular vote, so it doesn’t matter.

              2. So, just to be clear, while Paul was joking about someone bragging about being more popular than Truman, you’re actually claiming that being more popular than Truman is something to brag about–do I have that right?

                1. P.S. If Biden proves to be as popular as Truman, the Democrats should expect to be lose 54 seats in the House in the upcoming midterms.

    2. Audits that were required by law to be run immediately after the election and before the results were certified….

      But as Democrats proudly proclaimed, they fortified the election against such scrutiny by carefully laying the groundwork with friendly judges and attorneys general. So no such audits were performed.

  24. Before Mike Lindell’s lunatic claims and Donald Trump’s sour grapes over 2020, there was Hillary Clinton and the media’s false insistence on Kremlin interference.

    Five years late, but I guess I’ll take it.

    1. If only your bedtime story was true Diane (can you spell and define collude?):

      Excerpt from GOP majority Senate Intel Comm Report of 2020:

      https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf

      Here’s a taste:

      “The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed the hack-andleak campaign targeting the DNC, DCCC, and the Clinton Campaign. Moscow’s intent was to
      damage the Clinton Campaign and tarnish what it expected might be a Clinton presidential
      administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican
      nominee, and generally undermine the U.S. democratic process. The Committee’s findings are
      based on a variety of information, including raw intelligence reporting.
      (U) The hack-and-leak campaign was conducted by the GRU through specialized cyber
      units, executed using established GRU infrastructure, and planned and coordinated by GRU
      headquarters elements. Starting in March 2016, the GRU used spearphishing techriiques to gain
      unauthorized access to the email accounts of individuals associated with the Clinton Campaign,
      including Campaign Manager John Podesta, and stole thousands of emails. In April 2016, the
      GRU leveraged stolen credentials ofJsome of these individuals to obtain further unauthorized
      access to the networks of the DNC and DCCC, where it identified and carefully exfiltrated tens
      of thousands of politically sensitive documents from April through June 2016. 1112 The GRU .
      continued to conduct hacking operations to obtain additional material from accounts associated
      with the Clinton Campaign until at least September 2016.
      (U) The GRU quickly integrated the materials it stole during its hacking operation into
      an influence operation that relied on two primary fake personas-Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks-to
      promote and disseminate the hacked documents. The influence activities using these personas
      spanned June 2016 through the election, and included attempts to obscure Russia’s responsibility
      for the hacking operation. 1113 In addition to publishing the stolen documents, the Russian
      personas used social engineering to seed information with specific individuals associated with
      the Trump Campaign. The GRU also relied on U.S. social media platforms and media attention
      for its influence operations.
      -WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian
      campai~knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort. The
      Committee found significant indications that Julian Assan e and WikiLeaks have benefited from
      Russian government su art

      While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump
      Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump’s electoral prospects.
      To do so, the Trump Campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases
      of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once
      WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and
      share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of
      information and continued leaks.
      (U) Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about
      WikiLeaks through Roger Stone. In spring 2016, prior to Assange’s public announcements,
      Stone advised the Campaign that WikiLeaks would be releasing materials harmful to Clinton.
      Following the July 22 DNC release, Trump and the Campaign believed that Roger Stone had
      known of the release and had inside access to WikiLeaks, and repeatedly communicated with
      Stone about WikiLeaks throughout the summer and fall of 2016. Trump and other senior
      Campaign officials specifically directed Stone to obtain information about upcoming document
      releases relating to Clinton and report back. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside
      knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and
      senior Campaign officials on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone
      had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone’s information suggested more
      releases would be forthcoming. ”

  25. My pillow guy got taken in by a planted story that was obviously false. But it was planted with the intention that someone would believe it.

    Robert Barnes called it on his podcast within a couple of days of the election. He said the story was not possible and was being used to distract from legitimate legal strategies to contest election irregularities. He said he warned them that the story was a plant. They believed the former military Intel guy who claimed first hand knowledge and got burned.

    Meanwhile, Russia gate was cooked up by the Democrat leadershio and was used to spy on the opposition candidate and to actually frame people for crimes they did not commit. It was also used to attempt to unseat the duly elected president and to derail his ability to act. None of this is conjecture… The facts are all public record and the Democrats did not just admit their motives, they began bragging that they would do so the morning after the election, before Hillary even conceded the election.

    There is no equivalence here.

    Reason has fallen into a trope of denying that extremely dangerous bad acts by the democrats exist and then later finding some act by Republicans that seems superficially similar and proclaiming them both to be equally bad.

    Using the CiA and the FBI and the state department to spy on the opposing party candidate and framing people for crimes in order to get them to lie about opposition candidates is not anywhere in the same ballpark as the CEO of an obscure pillow manufacturing company falling for a ruse that was intended to get allies of the president to file frivolous lawsuits.

    It is one of the dumber false equivalences that has been peddled around here.

    (Trump only filed a couple of lawsuits.. none involved voting machines).

    If a libertarian magazine cannot say using the federal government to spy on political enemies and frame political opponents for crimes is anathema to the operation if a democrat society without invoking a fake “everybody does it” demure, is it really a libertarian magazine.

    1. And yes, my pillow guy was an idiot.

    2. 1. They’re really nice pillows in case you haven’t tried one.

      2. Agree

    3. I’m still trying to find the story about —
      My pillow guy got taken in by a planted story that was obviously false.

      Link? So far all I’ve found is that State certification trumps any claim he has made..

  26. I can’t help but wonder if there’s a fundamental difference between:

    My Pillow Guy

    or

    The DNC
    The Hillary Clinton Campaign
    Former and current intelligence officials.
    The FBI
    The near entirety of the National Media
    The Department of Justice
    The CIA
    Facebook and its affiliated subcorporations
    Mark Zuckerberg
    Twitter
    Jack Dorsey
    Google/Alphabet/Youtube
    Amazon Cloud Services
    Visa
    Mastercard
    Paypal
    Stripe

    Shall I go on?

    One conspiracy was pushed by a guy who owns a pillow company, the person interestingly used in the picture, the other nutbag conspiracy was pushed by the other guy. I guess it’s hard to fit all that other apparatus into a single picture. So I guess I’ll give you a pass on that.

  27. Joe F., Queen Asshole, now we got “sean dude” (15? 16?) all showing up, stupid enough to imagine that they are presenting these BRAND NEW arguments which we have never heard of before and he demanding that we “refute” the same fucking lies which have been refuted since 1918.
    And seemingly surprised that they get a ‘Fuck off and die” response! The lefty asshole Joe Friday suggested that I should be more clever in my response, as if a (tired) fucking pile of lefty shit were worth more than a couple of keystrokes.
    Hint, lefty shits; it’s all you deserve.
    Fuck off and die.

    1. I think once they realize what an old senile coot you’re they’ll go easier on you.

      I’ll let them know that you destroyed what little intelligence you had by drinking.

  28. There’s a pretty big difference between pretty much all of the mainstream media (and non-mainstream for that matter) pushing Russiagate and a guy who sells pillows on TV

  29. I thought of saying that the article is primarily anti-Russiagate, with a reference to MyPillow guy as garnish.

    But then I noticed the other comments…oy…

  30. And lets not forget Stacey Abrams who has apparently made a career out of her claims of voter fraud causing her to lose the governorship of Georgia.

    The my pillow guy is actually the opposite. He’s pretty much hurt his business by supporting Trump, most places have stopped carrying his products

    1. For all I know, my business delivers product to lying lefty piles of shit like turd, Queen Asshole, shitstain, Joe F and our newest from Ohio; happy to relieve them of their money, but if I had the chance for “stupidity pricing”, they’d pay quite a bit more.

    2. Who buys shit in stores anymore anyway?

  31. In the most difficult, complicated moments, it is good to receive the warmth of those who love you because it ends up being a spectacular incentive to move forward.
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  32. What the fuck is wrong with you, Nick? Is it THAT hard to check on the current status of even a few of these conspiracy theories?

    Currently, they ain’t theories. Clinton colluded with foreign sources and lied about it. The election was fortified. Progs even bragged about it. Sloppy Joe’s last minute victory margins are falling apart with actual investigation, when a sympathetic court system that changed election laws illegally without legislative approval lets them.

    But ‘both sidezzzz’ and ‘c’mon guys, take the blue pill is what you deliver.

    Disingenuous scum. Words cannot express my loathing for everything the Democrats have devolved to.

  33. From Russiagate To the MyPillow Guy, Let’s Stop with Electoral Conspiracy Theories

    The last refuge of intellectual scoundrels and gullible idiots: accuse others who hold beliefs you don’t like of “conspiracy theories”.

  34. For all the buyers of the “no collusion” BS – including the writer who is too ignorant to own a pen – here’s an excerpt from the GOP majority Senate Intel Comm Report of 2020:

    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf

    “The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed the hack-andleak campaign targeting the DNC, DCCC, and the Clinton Campaign. Moscow’s intent was to
    damage the Clinton Campaign and tarnish what it expected might be a Clinton presidential
    administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican
    nominee, and generally undermine the U.S. democratic process. The Committee’s findings are
    based on a variety of information, including raw intelligence reporting.
    (U) The hack-and-leak campaign was conducted by the GRU through specialized cyber
    units, executed using established GRU infrastructure, and planned and coordinated by GRU
    headquarters elements. Starting in March 2016, the GRU used spearphishing techriiques to gain
    unauthorized access to the email accounts of individuals associated with the Clinton Campaign,
    including Campaign Manager John Podesta, and stole thousands of emails. In April 2016, the
    GRU leveraged stolen credentials ofJsome of these individuals to obtain further unauthorized
    access to the networks of the DNC and DCCC, where it identified and carefully exfiltrated tens
    of thousands of politically sensitive documents from April through June 2016. 1112 The GRU .
    continued to conduct hacking operations to obtain additional material from accounts associated
    with the Clinton Campaign until at least September 2016.
    (U) The GRU quickly integrated the materials it stole during its hacking operation into
    an influence operation that relied on two primary fake personas-Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks-to
    promote and disseminate the hacked documents. The influence activities using these personas
    spanned June 2016 through the election, and included attempts to obscure Russia’s responsibility
    for the hacking operation. 1113 In addition to publishing the stolen documents, the Russian
    personas used social engineering to seed information with specific individuals associated with
    the Trump Campaign. The GRU also relied on U.S. social media platforms and media attention
    for its influence operations.
    -WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian
    campai~knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort. The
    Committee found significant indications that Julian Assan e and WikiLeaks have benefited from
    Russian government su art

    While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump
    Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump’s electoral prospects.
    To do so, the Trump Campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases
    of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once
    WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and
    share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of
    information and continued leaks.
    (U) Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about
    WikiLeaks through Roger Stone. In spring 2016, prior to Assange’s public announcements,
    Stone advised the Campaign that WikiLeaks would be releasing materials harmful to Clinton.
    Following the July 22 DNC release, Trump and the Campaign believed that Roger Stone had
    known of the release and had inside access to WikiLeaks, and repeatedly communicated with
    Stone about WikiLeaks throughout the summer and fall of 2016. Trump and other senior
    Campaign officials specifically directed Stone to obtain information about upcoming document
    releases relating to Clinton and report back. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside
    knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and
    senior Campaign officials on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone
    had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone’s information suggested more
    releases would be forthcoming. ”

    1. And? What you just copy and pasted doesn’t prove Trump colluded with Putin.

      The claim by democrats was never just that Russia tried to interfere.

      1. Let’s not forget China and England were caught, and who knows how many else. And how hard does the US lean on foreign elections to favor allies?

        Politics as usual. And also as usual, you hear the Dims screech about imaginary Russians and the BadOrangeMan, but silence when it comes to Hitllary and Sloppy Joe’s blindingly flagrant corruption.

        1. We also know Adam Schiff was willing to take dirt on Trump from the Ukraine. The only reason it didn’t happen is because it was a hoax. Which is irrelevant to since Schiff didn’t know rhat

  35. Today’s NYTs:

    “PHOENIX — After months of delays and blistering criticism, a review of the 2020 election in Arizona’s largest county, ordered up and financed by Republicans, has failed to show that former President Donald J. Trump was cheated of victory, according to draft versions of the report.

    In fact, the draft report from the company Cyber Ninjas found just the opposite: It tallied 99 additional votes for President Biden and 261 fewer votes for Mr. Trump in Maricopa County, the fast-growing region that includes Phoenix….”

  36. A total of 272 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia-linked operatives have been identified, including at least 38 meetings. And we know that at least 33 high-ranking campaign officials and Trump advisers were aware of contacts with Russia-linked operatives during the campaign and transition, including Trump himself. None of these contacts were ever reported to the proper authorities. Instead, the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.

    The U.S. Senate multi-volume Report does NOT exonerate Trump from serving as a Russian asset and there also is the matter of Manafort giving polling data from Trump’s campaign to a Russian agent. A federal judge unsealed nearly half a dozen files on itemizing the “principal lies” Donald Trump’s since-pardoned former campaign chair Paul Manafort told special counsel Robert Mueller’s team in the months before the Russia report’s release.

    According to a government memo dated Dec. 7, 2018, the first of these lies involved Manafort’s associate Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the Senate Intelligence Committee would later describe as a Russian intelligence operative.

    1. It wasn’t their job to exonerate Trump. What they failed to do is prove Trump was in cahoots with Putin.

      1. It was their job to find out exactly whether or not an investigation was correctly and properly predicated by normal rules in existence at the Dept of Justice and FBI. The Inspector General of the Justice Dept determined that the investigation WAS properly predicated.

        The U.S. Senate Report shows (beyond dispute) how many contacts which Trump campaign officials had with Russians — including with Russian intelligence officers. Nobody has ever explained WHY Trump officials LIED about their contacts and you have not done so either.

        1. Okay. Neat. This doesn’t contradict anything I said. Trump being in cahoots with Putin was never proven. This was the core claim, it wasn’t about Manafort or anyone else.

    2. Are you mentally ill?

      Everyone knows the whole thing was a hoax run out of the Clinton campaign and the white house.

      We have the contemporaneous notes.

      The entire thing was a fraud from the jump.

      The pretext (beyond the dossier) was a CIA informant who quit to work for Trump.

      Everything you were told was a lie. All of it. There never was even the slightest kernel of truth.

  37. Hey Nick!
    Your first paragraph admits that there was collusion with the Russians to try to influence the 2016 Presidential Election.
    A CLINTON Campaign representative was doing it.

    1. Shhh, that’s wrongthink. It’s OK, they had to beat the BadOrangeMan whatever the cost. C’mon man, it was, uh, important.

  38. Heaven forbid we lose blind faith in this particular, hyper-partisan-run, cherished institution.

  39. These two things aren’t the same. The media took the Russiagate BS a lot more seriously than the My Pillow guy.

  40. My question for those who think Democrats stole the 2020 election: if they are capable of rigging presidential elections why didn’t they also rig it so they would have 60 dems in the senate? Why not oust Mitch?

    1. Don’t have control in Kentucky.

      1. Mitch is just one example.

    2. There’s a positively salacious Times article that illustrates the confessions of Dem fortifiers.

  41. REASON IS FAKE NEWS, AND I WON AT LEAST 90 PERCENT OF THE POPULAR VOTE BOTH TIMES! Even most blacks and Jews voted for me. Every sane person, such as myself, knows this! Speaking of sane people, Y-U-G-E hugs and kisses to all of my conservative Republicans here who have hijacked the term “libertarianism” and Reason magazine. It’s a beautiful thing, and LOCK HER UP!

  42. Excellent article. Republicans and democrats are 2 sides of the same coin. Both, historically, hypocritical on this and many other subjects. Slowly eroding our liberties and freedoms to further secure They’re power and control of our lives. Outside of voting libertarian or writing in suitable candidates. Also living my life as independent as possible. I’m at a loss to explain how Americans aren’t rising up in unison to stop this. It’s beyond my pay grade to even imagine how. Again, my contribution is living as independent and consistent with founding constutional principles as I possibly can. God bless America

    1. The only take away from the new “both the same” B.S. propaganda is that Gov-Gun usage is wildly out of control. LIMITED governing was what this nation was made from; who’s only purpose was to ensure all citizens get maximum Individual Liberty and Justice.

      Never-mind one of the two parties you listed platforms on that concept as well as shows respect for the U.S. Constitution and the other doesn’t.

  43. Dumbest article ever. If I grant it the premise, the solution is easy. Bullet proof elections.

    I don’t grant it the premise. The Marxist left is stealing elections. I watched it happen, don’t tell me it didn’t happen. Proof is being produced almost daily.

    Interestingly, the solution is the same. Bullet proof the elections.

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