New Video Shows Memphis Police Fatally Beating, Tasing, Pepper-Spraying Tyre Nichols
The five police officers involved in the deadly encounter have been charged with Nichols' murder.

The Memphis Police Department released video tonight of the deadly encounter between Tyre Nichols and police officers earlier this month that ultimately resulted in the death of the 29-year-old Nichols.
The four videos released tonight include body camera footage from three of the officers as well as a pole camera from the neighborhood in which the encounter ended.
The first body camera video shows three police cars stopping Nichols, who is black, at a traffic light for an alleged traffic violation. They pull him from the vehicle and attempt to force him onto his stomach on the ground while tasing and pepper-spraying him.
Nichols oscillates between compliance and resistance during this initial encounter, before eventually slipping out of officers' grasp and running down the road and into a neighborhood.
The second body camera feed picks up the chase about 10 minutes later, when Nichols is tackled by an officer in the residential neighborhood he ran into.
A pole camera captures a silent overhead view of the encounter from there. We see officers—all of whom are also black—beat and kick Nichols while he flails on the ground. Officers bring him to his feet and prop him upright while one officer punches him in the face repeatedly. Another whips out an extendable baton and strikes him.
Audio from body cameras captures Nichols crying out for his mother, one officer threatening to "spray" Nichols again, and another saying he'll "baton the fuck out" of him.
Eventually, a severely beaten Nichols is propped up against a police car. Officers then mill around, discussing the chase. One complains about hurting his leg. Another cop says Nichols reached for the officer's gun during the fight.
While they talk, Nichols remains keeled over on the ground. More police officers eventually arrive on the scene. Two medics arrive and attend to the collapsed Nichols. The pole camera footage ends with an ambulance arriving roughly 30 minutes after Nichols is first tackled on the street.
Nichols died in the hospital three days after the encounter as a result of the wounds inflicted on him by police.
Last week, the U.S. Department of Justice announced it would launch a civil rights investigation into the incident.
Yesterday, five of the officers involved in the encounter were charged with murder, aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping, official misconduct, and official oppression by the Shelby County district attorney.
In the run-up to the release of the body camera footage tonight, local Memphis officials and Nichols' family urged protesters to remain peaceful.
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If only they took down a Jew, right Herr Misek?
Look at the fuckwit Jew troll.
It has no identity but “the poor victim”. Nothing without a persecutor that their actions ensure.
In reality it’s a lying waste of skin, falsely playing the victim card over and over again to advance its selfish interests.
I’ve never advocated killing Jews or nazism but that doesn’t matter to this Kol Nidre trained liar.
Jews are like the Nazis of your bogeyman fairytales. They’re killing Palestinians in their West Bank prison camps.
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Or else get the hose again?
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I'm burning rubber away from this one.
Seriously, folks, one of my customers who didn't even know about the whole Memphis story told me her Granddaughter stayed away from school because of alleged "black-on-black riots" occurring that day. I hope the Granddaughter was just making an elaborate, if sickening, excuse to play hooky and that it wasn't true. I haven't found anything in the news yet.
It looks like no rioting happened last night.
https://notthebee.com/article/tyre-nichols-protestsriots-break-out-across-america
You are correct. I should have qualified that I was only talking about Memphis. I did hear a bit that there was rioting in New York.
Fair enough. I didn't hear about any rioting in Memphis.
Also, for clarification, I'm in NC, though I read Police of the NYPD had geared up for any coming trouble. Let's hope things don't blow up again as they did now on 3 years ago.
a) It’s not happening.
b) It is happening but it is not what you think.
c) It is happening but only a little.
Vanilla Mike is stuck between b and c.
Black police chief, Black Democrat Mayor, and Democrat president. Zero reason for creating a riot. Now if this had been in a Republican city or a Republican president then the riots would be scheduled and the cities would be in flames.
I don't hope for riots(yet), but they'll be well deserved if those cops don't spend the rest of their lives being rammed up the ass in gen pop, or better yet riding the lightning on Ol' Sparky. If the system is so broken that these pigs can't be punished for their heinous crime despite the overwhelming video evidence, then we have no civil society. Might as well burn it all down.
Watching this video was the most sickening thing I've ever seen on camera from US cops. Even beyond Daniel Shaver and Rodney King. The way they were teeing off on this guy was reminiscient of how heels beat up the helpless guy after a pro wrestling match, including calling shots with smiles on their faces, and having the others place him into vulnerable positions for whatever strike they were about to execute.
The police who violated this guy's rights should be punished, and it looks like they will be at least tried for their crimes. That's good and fair.
I don't see why prison rape is acceptable or funny.
Every single cop in America should be raped--to death.
Nazi scum, each and every last one. Every bit as bad as the 13%.
You know who else divided populations into percentages by their immutable traits?
Here's a hint: They'd love you as a fashion plate in their nice, crisp uniforms and shined-up Sam Brown Belts and Jackboots,, wearing their symbol of good luck on their arm.
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He can be pals with Misek. They should get along great.
Being a cop isn't an immutable trait, bootlicker.
The reference to the 13% however was.
No being a Cop isn't an immutable trait, but when cops live up to their Oaths of Office and protect and serve the Individual Rights of Citizens, then they are worthy of praise and defense..
And Winnie was calling for the death of both Cops and "13 %-ers," which is his chicken-shit code for "Blacks.". That is an immutable trait.
No "bootlicking" here, just simple Justice.
The percentages thing is irrelevant and regarding race based atrocities a conceit of modern pseudoscience. The Chinese regularly inflicted such time period appropriate horrors on any conquered non-Han population for thousands of years and continue to do so as evidenced by their treatment of the Uighurs. The Japanese also did such during WWII. The commies pulled the Holodomor. People's obsession with a petty man from Germany pulling the same type of monstrous atrocities seen over and over again throughout human history just because he was the first to have the benefit of more modern technology bemuses me.
Excuse me, but there are no “time period-appropriate horrors,” here or there, anywhere, now, or ever. Violence against the Individual Right to Life, Liberty, Property, and Pursuit of Happiness is the same in any time and place!
There is nothing either amusing or bemusing about that!
So you know, this is a Libertarian-minded Comments Section, even if the magazine isn’t! Dummy!
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Policing is a local issue. So stop that “we” b.s. This is the result not of “US civil society”, it’s the result of choices the people of Memphis made.
Like nothing is connected to anything else and cultures of both crime by citizens and crimes by law enforcement don't share common patterns outside of communities and even nationwide or globally. Please get out of Stepford more often.
Oh, there is certainly a culture of crime and bad policing in Democrat-run, progressive shitholes. Those people made their choices, and they are responsible for the consequences. “America”, “Republicans”, or “the state”, however, are not responsible.
This is interesting:
https://twitter.com/LaurenWitzkeDE/status/1619346737080180736?t=uAKpttwCnAkujJc39dFjZQ&s=19
We are investigating a tip that 3 of the 5 officers in the Memphis PD beating of Tyre Nichols were members of the Vice Lords gang and under their direction.
Other gang directed beatings were reportedly found on their phones.
Recordings as proof of carrying out the beating.
According to our source, they somehow were hired because the standards have dropped since police departments have had a hard time hiring, due to BLM movement.
All of the cops involved had been with Memphis PD 2-5 years each, which coincides with the exodus of White cops and the city’s stated push to hire majority (exclusively) black officers.
We have reached out to @MEM_PoliceDept for comment.
Update: Allegedly there is a Bonding company in Chattanooga that many believe is financially backed by the Vice Lords. Huge bonds are being made by this one company for this certain gang.
They have members working as jail officers as well. It seems they have people everywhere.
Memphis appears to be at least mostly democrat controlled. So like every other municipality of any significance run by democrats, it’s a violent shithole.
Witzke's idea of "investigating" is to make shit up and fling it around.
You do know people are born into these places, right?
That travellers get stranded in these places, right?
And that in the Automotive Age, the Air Age, the Space Age, and the Information Age, crime and corrupt police culture can spill over from anywhere to anywhere, right?
Eventually, it's all of a single piece we all have to do something to fight it.
I see you have no comment on Ezekiel Kelly.
Not surprised.
Fucking laughable little sheep.
Neither story has much broad significance.
They're both shitty people doing shitty things.
But good little collectivists are going to pretend everybody needs to find one super important...
I don’t hope for riots(yet)
The thing about riots is that they tend not to be focused on the individuals or institutions that sparked the initial outrage. Instead, innocent people wind up losing their homes, their business, and their lives. My guess is that your enthusiasm for riots would quickly wane if the mob showed up on your doorstep.
No worries about that, because if it gets to that point, I'll be part of that mob. I'll also be trying my damnedest to direct that mob towards the police station to make sure we're dragging the right people to the nearest lightpost, tree, or guillotine.
That will fix things. You want to know what rioting does, look at Baltimore. Businesses and wealth fled after the 68 riots. The city has never really recovered.
How about no riots ever, but strict lifetime justice for the Officers responsible, dick-head? That's the store I work at that would be destroyed by rioting!
The world will never know peace or justice until the last cop is strangled with the entrails of the last 13%er.
A very shitty paraphrase of Denis Diderot’s very true quote:
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
And since you obviously think you’d be a king in the resulting ruins of a world without police or those you deem undesirable, and since you sound like you’d be a priest among your flock of zombie sheeple, I hope Denis Diderot’s quote comes true for you and we are all free of you!
Strangle on your own appendices and Fuck Off, Bigot!
Just come out and say you're gay.
It's 2023, FFS.
I'm Pan and if you wish to try and eliminate either Libertarian-friendly police or people for their heritage, then you might get some pans and other metalwork launched your way.
Fuck Off, Bigot!
No excuse. No context in which this is ok. All 5 cops should be jailed for life.
From an AP article - Second-degree murder is punishable by 15 to 60 years in prison under Tennessee law.
Guessing they'll be towards the long end if convicted. Plus there's a bunch of other charges as well.
Imagine if an all white jury finds them guilty of all charges and gives them each maximum sentences.
I'll believe it when I see it. I wouldn't be surprised if they escape being found guilty by some technicallity or privilege afforded to police when someone is the least bit non-compliant, as happens so often in these cases. I also wouldn't be surprised if even after they're convicted, the judge hands them some creampuff suspended sentence or probation.
Derek Chauvin's sentence doesn't bode well for these guys, but you never know what kind of BS instructions the judge will give the jury in these cop cases, and that often results in an aquittal. Maybe he'll tell them they have to consider he was still a threat while they were holding him up in the air crucifix style with his limp legs dragging on the ground so that the one cop could take his time placing his jaw in just the right spot for his haymakers.
In the run-up to the release of the body camera footage tonight, local Memphis officials and Nichols' family urged protesters to remain peaceful.
I'm sure antifa will respect their wishes.
The black face of white supremacy
Not even joking:
The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism
A Black man is killed by four Black cops in a majority Black city with a Black mayor and a Black police chief, but the real problem is whitey.
All bad black people are white supremacist, which is not a bad as white people because all white people are white supremacist, with the exceptions of Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
(sarc)
Like how Misek says Hitler and his regime were really Jews. Or some such bullshit.
Not surprised at all.
Critical race theory is essentially a field of study that involves finding the ubiquitous yet invisible racism everywhere, in all things, and then complaining that said system is irredeemable due to said racism.
This is the result of a few decades of this stuff infiltrating the culture (academia + hollywood)
But we won't have a "national conversation" about Waukesha...
That's ok, because we can replace the broken system with the most fair, loving, and equitable system ever. Communism!
A loaf of bread at the end of every 4-hour line, and a bicycle in the driveway of every mutli-throuple dormitory!
And democrats all around. But it’s still racism. And somehow Trump’s fault.
"Yesterday, five of the officers involved in the encounter were charged with murder, aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping, official misconduct, and official oppression by the Shelby County district attorney."
If these officers had been white
I’d like to share how uncomfortable I feel about being this far off narrative.
The narrative should be you have a right not to be killed.
You have no rights in the USSA.
Right after the Right to Resist Arrest.
According to Reason, that only applies to the government. Private citizens and companies are free to kill you.
If only we’re were free to settle accounts with all the Marxists running around.
"If these officers had been white"
Blue = White
Google Kelley Thomas beating. If you have a strong stomach.
https://twitter.com/SeriousPIace/status/1619130480921825282?t=u_IhNRkVkPQszVjiL7Aedw&s=19
Remember in Memphis when that black guy drove around killing white people and live streamed it?
It was 4 months ago
https://www.foxnews.com/us/who-is-ezekiel-kelly-accused-memphis-livestream-shooter
MEMPHIS, Tenn. – Ezekiel D. Kelly, the 19-year-old Memphis, Tennessee, man accused of live-streaming a series of shootings in outside the city Wednesday, has a violent criminal history and was released from prison early after a 2020 shooting, according to authorities.
He’s accused of killing four and wounding another three, in addition to a pair of armed carjackings. He allegedly streamed portions of the rampage on Facebook. Those videos have since been taken down.
Memphis Mayor Jim Strickland revealed during a Wednesday night news briefing that Kelly was charged with attempted first-degree murder but pleaded guilty to a downgraded aggravated assault charge in April 2021.
Kelly received a three-year prison sentence but was released in March after serving just 11 months.
Less than 1 year for 4 murders. Unreal.
The one year was for his earlier, single, attempted murder. The four murders were after he was released.
Hey, when you're trying to fix the overincarceration problem, you're going to pile up a few million bodies.
A future resident of death row. Or we could keep him alive for the next 60 years in prison.
He was killing black people too and not acting in an official capacity so what's your point?
You're not the brightest bulb
No, but you might be the blackest pot.
Keep telling yourself that, soy.
He thinks you’re a negro?
"Keep telling yourself that, soy."
Lol. I had to urban dictionary that one. I'll keep checking back to see if you make any actual points instead of just your usual pointless insults.
It's in the urban dictionary?
Nice.
I just call leftists "soy" instead of "boy" or "guy" because I'd hate to misgender you pathetic clumps of cancer.
But hell of a rejoinder when people can read through the whole thread. Good look.
Is he a sock? It’s hard to keep track anymore.
The diversity training will continue until we achieve murder by cop parity with white people.
This was vicious. There has to be something else going on here. Did this guy fuck one of these cops' wives? It just didn't stop.
https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1619138333120274432?t=oCMn5TJsvEzTdGp3DNWJhg&s=19
Van Jones is giving the Neo-Maoist “people’s perspective” here. Insane.
[Opinion: The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism]
Link to Van Jones article:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions/tyre-nichols-memphis-police-department-jones/
He’s a buffoon.
Maybe Tyre was Tutsi? If so, Hutu these five think they’re fooling?
Not going to u-turn back to the tyre jokes with van? Or are those puns tyred?
Oh I just posted another one. But first I took a brake.
Rwanda be sure about that?
https://twitter.com/DolioJ/status/1619162737346777090?t=NgiN2HStYuzK9gsCMyx9wg&s=19
Can someone explain to me how blocking the roads will bring justice?
https://twitter.com/FischerKing64/status/1619159119369469953?t=mcYVfg0IgAOzooYvUAaXWg&s=19
Mass murder of whites doesn’t happen simply because it isn’t possible. They are majority for now, and many are well armed and not cucked. But you get enough Portlands and chaos, you could have mini Rwandas. The ferocious hostility fanned by ‘whiteness’ rhetoric is there.
If you read about the day to day of Rwandan genocide, it starts to sound like a job. Meet at football pitch in morning, get your machete, kill all day, then drink banana beer to music at night. Repeat next day. Getting people to do this isn’t as hard as people imagine.
Just get rid of the left.
https://twitter.com/AurelianofRome/status/1619175543685152769?t=GQSn_x5zkFNh7b9XEf3lHQ&s=19
These comments are the product of a negative animus to destroy.
Means of achieving this are found in using demagogic rhetoric to radicalize a mob into a revolutionary force that will destroy.
Tenuous or unreliable “associations” are made to insinuate things in the absence of evidence.
Events in history are framed as influencing the present without any evidence of that being the case.
No solid grounding or evidence is used for any claim.
All claims troll grievance.
The most prominent sign of the demagogue…
Two demographics are always named.
One is framed as an eternal, immediate, and existential to the well-being of the other….
“They’re out to get you, already have you, and seek to keep hold over you.”
Anxiety. Resentment. Rage.
1. Psychological and emotional manipulation via inflammatory rhetoric against a group.
2. Exploitation of emotional states that emerge as a consequence of having found the rhetoric to be credible.
3. Use of another demographic as a punching bag to keep the scheme going.
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Oh, like Putin, Dugin, Patriarch Kirill, and their propagandists like you? I see.
https://twitter.com/DolioJ/status/1619129665016451072?t=y18sDHBV3X4_3Se3kUvh2Q&s=19
Notice again the yellow armbands for security, provided by REVCOM.
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https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1619148221821100032?t=-qrPgm0FgQaMkonqBDRWXg&s=19
As BLM protesters have been blocking the highway for over an hour, one protester is going around telling people to be ready for police to respond. Protesters want white people to be at the front of the crowd to face the police and black people towards the back.
[Thread, videos]
Operation Get Behind Whitey?
Operation Rosa Parks
Ha! Chef's Revenge!
They'll walk on a plea.
I'm half expecting qualified immunity. There's no exact precedent that says five cops can't beat a man to death.
QI does not apply to criminal charges.
Depends what you mean by walk. There'll be some deal to avoid a maxed out sentence for murder but it's hard to imagine all of them avoiding prison time.
Could be that one of the cops that was doing more watching and egging rather than actually landing blows will agree to testify against the other four, and get off with just failure to intervene.
If that *doesn't* happen it'll be a sign that they fear the enforcers of police solidarity even more than being a cop-in-prison.
Any interaction with the police, no matter how minor, carries with it the possibility of a death sentence.
Comply or die.
https://twitter.com/_BarringtonII/status/1619199415264358400?t=i67KXVpgiLNae_WPNuxifg&s=19
It’s crazy how news is created.
If the Headline reads “5 black men fatally beat black man” using this picture, no one cares. As a matter of fact, it’s just another day in the United States… but
The moment the headline reads “black cops fatally beat black man” everyone cares. Sure cops are held to a higher standard, but they are still black men, right? So what does this mean, ultimately? What does this say about race? What does it say about how we’ve been conditioned
towards cops? This is a great lesson in the human psyche and programming…
“Nichols oscillates between compliance and resistance during this initial encounter”
No he didn’t, if he had complied he’d probably still be alive. Who think they can run from cops and walk away in this day and age?
Keep in mind they were already inflicting severe pain on him before he ran.
Five guys are beating the crap of you and you’re taking taser hits and pepper spray. You need to decide in real time if the intent is merely to badly hurt you and then frame you on bullshit charges, or to outright kill you and say you reached for a gun or had superhuman PCP strength or something like that. It’s a split second decision with your life at stake.
Even if you decide they merely intend to put you in the hospital and frame you, running away has the advantage that you get some immediate relief from the electric shocks and chemical assault on your lungs, eyes, and mucous membranes.
I’m more of a fetal-position-and-whimper sort of person but I fully respect the break-free-and-flee camp.
Yea, this case doesn't seem to be a great example of the victim making it worse by resisting. It appears those assholes were out to beat the shit out of him for whatever reason. I'd guess there is some personal beef between him and one of the cops that's otherwise independent of policing.
I'm amazed people still believe that "just do what they say" horseshit. What do you do when you have two (or more) cops screaming mutually contradictory orders? Also, cops sometimes use techniques that are (or might as well be) designed to provoke resistance. The person being arrested "resists" because they're in pain or struggling to breathe, not because they're trying to escape or injure the cops. And, it's depressingly easy to find cases where the suspect was injured or killed even when they were following orders.
Yea, outliers do tend to get more press.
I liked the one cop who had his wrist pinned while all the other cops were screaming "Give me your hands!" One hand is already behind his back and a cop has the other hand pinned to the asphalt. He literally couldn't comply so they kept screaming at him until they tased him.
It looks outrageous. I’m glad they are charged with murder.
Let’s not forget that policing, training, and rules of engagement are local issues, determined by the elected government of the city.
Who, in turn, are affected by State or Federal Supreme Court rulings. Again, you should get out of Stepford more often.
Everybody is “affected by” state and Supreme Court rulings. It is Democrat-run cities that turn into progressive shitholes.
And you are the kind of naive, privileged, entitled, stupid American who denies obvious reality and who blindly wants to spread the dysfunction we see in cities like Memphis and Los Angeles to the entire nation and turn the entire nation into a shithole.
Democrats are demanding federal policing laws because democrat majority local government can’t pass the aforementioned rules themselves. As democrat city officials are worthless retards like all other democrats.
Let's not forget that just 3 days ago, Reason published an article adapted from the author's book that argued that local officials, even police supervisors, don't have the ability to hold officers accountable because of police unions.
https://reason.com/2023/01/26/public-unions-vs-the-public-good/
https://twitter.com/SIfill_/status/1619165800828649473?t=uhh6Lmw8UrotBumjsOY3iA&s=19
Tonight is difficult. And before things go too far I want to be clear about why we're here. Why does police violence continue? Black people and movements are not responsible for ending the violent manifestations of white supremacy. White people are.
So... We have an incident with black cops being charged for excessive force beating a black suspect. And a national media suddenly calling it racism when the video comes out.
And simultaneously they are tellng us that riots are scheduled across the country.
As in, there is a national organization that had the heads up, and was able to coordinate transportation and strategies for actual riots, not just some protest march, on a national scale.... To do what?
The prosecutors already got this.
And they are fighting systemic racism?
Spontaneously?
And the press knows about it at the same time the video is released?
How?
Why is this not the story here?
Some dude at MSNBC not only knows that this is proof of white supremacy in ajerica, but that there will organically be waves of violent protest around the country? Nobody is curious how CNN and NBC And MSNBC and NPR all know that black cops are white supremacist and that it will inspire riots in New York City?
Merrick Garland isn't interested in a national organization that can coordinate political violence at the drop of a hat? Didn't he warn is about domestic terrorism?
From what I can tell Garland and the rest I f the Biden Administration only see "domestic terrorism" as a phenomenon of the Right. Domestic terrorism from the Left simply does not exist.
The FBI flat out said this
5 on 1 beating for presumed reckless driving. That's a class B misdemeanor or something, right ?
Usually the common factor is the person resists arrest. NewsMax talked about this on air. While the videos usually don’t show that portion of the tape as they are looking to inflame people (which seems to be the case in this arrest). Even if the cops are wrong, cooperate, if they violate your civil rights, sue in court later. So many of these terrible deaths could be avoided if people just cooperated. Black people like to say they don’t cooperate because they don’t trust white cops, but these cops were black and the guy didn’t cooperate.
Is it worth it to think you are right, and end up dead?
Cooperate even if you're unlawfully attacked by a police officer? Simply submit to being beaten or shot, and hope that later on down the road, an old man in a black nightgown smacks his desk with a seafood mallet and declares that you had a right not to be treated like that after all?
Calculate your odds.
If the probability of you surviving a confrontation with an armed agent of the state are greater if you fight or flee, then fight or flee. If they're greater if you Cooper, then cooperate.
Use your fucking brain.
Use your fucking brain.</i<
My comment was in response to the apparent suggestion that it is always better, without exception, to submit to whatever violence, depravity, or indignity a police officer chooses to dish out and to let the courts be your remedy.
99% of the time you will fail if you resist arrest. 99% of the time resisting arrest will increase the danger you face.
Obviously there are circumstances that could make resisting arrest the wiser choice, but they are outliers.
The vast majority of the time you will be safer cooperating than resisting.
We live in a world that is, not ought.
OK, you could do some careful calculation as to your odds.
But there’s also the immediate desire to escape the electric shocks and pepper spray. And the pain and fear might prove a distraction while you do that detailed risk-benefit-analysis.
Which would be why the popular narrative, as an influence on perception, is important.
So if you're constantly exaggerating the threat police pose and the frequency people are killed by police, you're encouraging people to panic more readily. The more readily people panic and fight/flee, the more often they'll increase the odds of the very outcome they sought to avoid.
In one of the news video releases they put hands on him and yank him from the car immediately. There is no time to comply or "just cooperate". It starts with guns drawn and manhandling from the get-go. You are asking people to ignore the basic human fight or flight response of being assaulted under duress and overwhelming trauma like it's a light switch .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oZphRVX9dQ
There is this specific case, and then there is similar situations in general.
I've already said, multiple times, that this case probably doesn't fit into any general categories or trends. It stands alone as a very specific incident.
But feel free to put your theory to the test and punch the next cop who pulls you over. Let us know how it goes.
That’s actually a fair point in general.
In this case, the best evidence so far is that he correctly believed the police intended to kill him. If that turns out to be correct, then running was his best option, at least there was chance.
PS The theory floating around that he was sleeping with one of the cops' wives would explain a lot. The instant he recognized the cop's face, and that he was being illegally stopped solely for that reason, he would have known compliance would be useless.
Yea, what happened to Nichols doesn't really fit into general or standard interactions. The other theory, other than adultery, is that these cops were Vice Lords carrying out a hit (see above).
In either case, it appears that Nichols never had a chance. Once they found him his fate was sealed.
It is counter productive to try to apply lessons from this personal targeting to standard encounters.
Totally agree, Nardz. If you show respect for police officers and fully cooperate during a traffic stop, 99.9999% of the time you will leave the scene unharmed. If you are disrespectful and not cooperative or take a swing at an officer or take off running, your odds of a bad outcome increase exponentially. As you say, that is the real world.
And acknowledging the reality and disproportionate power dynamic isn't approval of those conditions.
I've been arguing with a certain libertarian influencer on Twitter all day, and he's demonstrated a big problem libertarians (and a lot of people in general) have: they do nothing but emote, and veer into psychotic accusation when you simply bring up best practices.
Don't want people getting killed by cops?
Advise them to not break the law and to interact as politely as possible when detained by police.
That might not be the morally just thing to do, but it's the most justified course of action if your goal is self preservation.
I'm all for direct action against tyranny. That's no secret. But fighting the next cop who pulls you over isn't likely to achieve much. And the petty criminal who becomes a martyr for fighting or fleeing cops who are trying to arrest him, justified or not, isn't going to advance the cause of liberty.
Pretty sure we have overwhelming evidence of that from the past 2 and a half years.
And, AGAIN, this specific incident is probably not broadly applicable to other police encounters. It looks like there was nothing Nichols could do because he was specifically targeted for personal reasons.
It would be a mistake to say that people should more often fight/flee from cops using this as an example.
*cooperate, not Cooper...
For reasons I can’t quite put my finger on, I peruse National Review from time to time. and this morning I read an article they ran on this case, along with the comments. This guy made a great point in response to some of the conservatives who were hinting that maybe Tyre had it coming:
RestoreClassicalLiberalism 7 hours ago
Police brutality is and ought to be an issue for conservatives as well as liberals. We conservatives talk a lot about protecting the little guy from the oppression of Big Government, and the preservation of people’s liberty. And from time to time what we have is people being oppressed….by agents of the government, who are able to hide bad behavior behind the fact that they are agents of the government.
For those in the comments who might disagree, would you feel differently if those 5 cops were IRS agents, or ATF agents, or FBI agents, and the man on the ground were a small businessman, a gun owner, or a January 6th whatever-you-want-to-call-them?
Are the FBI, ATF, and IRS now independent, local departments?
What's your solution here?
Disband police?
Turn law enforcement over to federal authority?
End qualified immunity; firm up the right to resist false, unlawful, or malicious arrests, including with violence; drastically reduce the number of violations which can result in an arrest.
"End qualified immunity"
-QI does nothing in and of itself; it doesn't prevent criminal charges from being filed, corrupt people do. Further, QI protects all state employees from civil action, not just cops. I'm fine with QI being done away with, but not if you're going to just make an exception for police, and it won't do much of anything to prevent cops from criminal behavior.
"firm up the right to resist false, unlawful, or malicious arrests, including with violence"
-Okay, how you gonna do that? Rights don't enforce themselves. You need judges, juries, police departments to respect that right which already exists. You could have the legislature clarify details, but I doubt it would produce the results you're looking for.
"drastically reduce the number of violations which can result in an arrest"
-I agree in theory, but here's one we have real world results for! They're not good.
QI: Where ending QI would help is in the “broken windows” sense. Prosecutors go after cops when something like this happens, but they protect them on the lesser day-to-day abuses. Getting away with those leads to a corrupt police culture and that contributes to events like this one. Without QI a minor roughing up, illegal arrest, or testilying will result in a lawsuit that’s an expensive headache for both the cop and his boss. If these five cops had lost a lawsuit or two earlier in their careers maybe they’d have developed differently.
A good idea is to apply the responsible corporate officer doctrine to the leadershiop of law enforcement agencies.
https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2017/07/05/the-responsible-corporate-officer-doctrine-survives-to-perplex-corporate-boards/
the Memphios polcie chief is definitely the "responsible corporate officer". If what these officers did as crimes- and it appears there is enough evidence for trial-m then the police chief should be indicted on these same charges, under this doctrine.
Include the police union brass.
Maybe even prohibit governments from contracting with unions...
The solution isn't a policy one, it's a cultural one. Change your assumptions. Conservatives need to assume police were in the wrong until shown otherwise. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt, make them earn your trust by being trustworthy in every occasion. Hold bad cops accountable and don't make excuses when they break rules or violate the public trust.
The problem isn't that there are no police accountable, the problem is a lack of faith that police face consequence when they deprive others of their rights.
The cops in my town are great.
How would you like "conservatives" to hold police accountable in locales they neither control nor live in?
How much more collectivist should our approach to policing be?
And how can left run cities hold anyone accountable for anything, when accountability is white supremacy to them?
"Conservatives need to assume police were in the wrong until shown otherwise."
No. That's just as bad as assuming the police were in the right until shown otherwise. How about we assume nothing until the facts are presented?
I saw that "On Patrol" live cop show the other day. As I recall, the sheriff's dept. in north Nevada (Tonapah area) were looking for a guy to serve a warrant. Cops saw him and he saw them from down the street, and he bolted. Dude ran through neighborhoods, through what looked like maybe a rodeo parking lot (where he threw away a bag with drugs and a gun), two sheriffs chasing him on foot, more in cars trying to get ahead and cut him off. Dude ran right out into the desert and kept running. Car finally got out ahead of him and cut him off and he gave up knelt down, and the foot guys caught up and cuffed him far more gently than I probably would have (but they knew they were on camera). The whole chase was on camera. They gently help him get up and as they are easing him into the car, he says
"I can't breathe!"
I think to myself: Dude, you just ran 3 miles through the desert and now you want to claim you can't breathe? And no one did anything to you in any sense of any police-brutality claim. STFU.
I wonder how many criminals will be claiming "I can't breathe" for years to come.
I turned the channel because the game I was waiting for was ready to tip off.
I honestly don't see a problem starting with the assumption that the state is wrong, and then working backward by needing the state to convince me. That's why they have to get search warrants and can't just bust into my home, that's why defendants are presumed innocent, that's why you can appeal a guilty verdict but the government can't appeal an acquittal. Assume that the people in power are fucking with you and you're going to be safer than assuming they're being helpful.
Cleansing Marxists (democrats) from government will solve most of the problem.
The problem, is the loudest voices against police brutality continue to accuse cops of police brutality even in cases where the receipient definitely had it coming. See here for an egregiouis example.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/01/04/stony-brook-professor-under-fire-for-denouncing-police-officers-who-shot-suspect-who-was-stabbing-them/comment-page-1/
a Greek man named Aesop wrote something about boys and wolves.
Yes, the dreaded overcorrection from saviors throughout academia and the media.
" Social Welfare professor Anna Hayward"
So, college professor, social welfare advocate (confident assumption), and (dare I assume and say), female. The odds she hates cops was high before the incident. Unless she needs them for herself.
Picking female out of 57 genders? Not good odds.
Sounds like a worthless job, relating to an even more worthless degree. There should be no student loans for degrees like this.
Unconfirmed, but Some Are Saying that Tyre was sleeping with one of the cops' wife...
That sounds like some “he spittin facts” nonsense, but hey... could be true. It is a bit odd how aggro they all were right out of the gate.
I saw literally one person mention it way down a thread and haven't seen anything else otherwise, so I'm inclined to think it's a very plausible theory but pretty much baseless at this point.
We'll see.
Is the wife white?
I just threw out there as pure speculation based on viewing the video and not understanding why they were beating the shit out of them. Hopefully you're not viewing me as a source because I have no fucking idea. It might be other people had similar questions based on similarly insufficient knowledge.
No, it was some anon on Twitter (so super credible), but it's the most logical scenario. The other one out there is gang involvement, which is a bit more out there but also quite logical in the circumstances.
What seems least likely is that these were just random, run of the mill cops who decided to beat some random innocent to death for fun... so once again it is the Mainstream Narrative that least fits the evidence.
Well, there's alternative theories that can fit. Cop road rage-guy is driving recklessly, nearly side-swipes a police car, and cops are pissed at him so are jerking him out of the car. Imagine your average case of road rage except armed with a badge. Then he runs away and 2-3 of those guys who are overweight are really pissed they had to run after him.
But my first impression was that there's something additional here to justify this level of hostility. The video, though, didn't give any indication he recognized any of these cops or knew what they were beating him up over.
Sex with dogs (four-legged thrust).
Or something.....
But enough about any pruient interests you might have.
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They should hire those fired La Vergne sexy time cops from down the road. I mean, yeah, they may have tried to fuck him in the ass, but at least he wouldn't be dead.
Black and Blue Lives Matter
While they last.
Memphis police disband the Scorpion unit
Tyre Nichols: Police unit is disbanded after death https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64442756
Memphis PD is getting rocked like a hurricane!
Thinking Rodney King-type racial collectivist violence I searched out pix. The picture that emerges is the THEN (wolf eating sheep) versus NOW (sheep eating sheep) cartoon. Before the George Wallace campaign, in Fahrenheit 451, the Hound and Fire Department murdered people with egalitarian disregard for race or superstition. Anyone literate was up for grabs... Today's "firemen" are asset forfeiture narcs with no agenda but looting and qualified immunity.
Thank you, Dr. Bronner.
The Memphis Police Department has disbanded the so-called Scorpion special unit, whose officers are accused of murdering Tyre Nichols.
Scorpion stands for “Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace in Our Neighborhoods”. The unit is a 50-person unit with the mission of bringing down crime levels in particular areas. But now it is being abolished after its officers were seen beating Mr Nichols, 29, in the videos from 7 January. -snip- The unit was launched in October 2021 with a focus on high-impact crimes, such as car thefts and gang-related offences. -snip-
The Scorpion programme was touted by Memphis Mayor Jim Strickland in a speech a year ago. He said the city used crime data “to determine where the unit will conduct its enforcement activities within the city”.
From October 2021 until January 2022, the unit made 566 arrests, he said. They also seized more than $100,000 in cash, 270 vehicles and 253 weapons. -snip- one local man, Cornell McKinney, (snip) alleges that the officers – who were travelling in unmarked vehicles – threatened to “blow his head off”, pointed a weapon at his head and accused him of carrying drugs.
He complained to the Memphis Police Department after the incident, but says he has not heard anything back.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64442756
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Van Jones, in his screed blaming racism, said, "Black cops are often socialized in police departments that view certain neighborhoods as war zones."
The thing is, that's not because of racism, that's because the neighborhoods are war zones.
London, with a population of 9 million, had 109 homicides in 2022. Memphis, with a population of 0.6 million, had 302 homicides in 2022.
Expecting cops in Memphis, where there are under 7 police officers per annual homicide, to behave like police in London, with over 300 police officers per annual homicide, is simply insane. It isn't going to happen.
The vast differential in conditions is going to drive a vast differential in behavior, and there is no level of screening, training, or disciplining police that is going to avoid the predictable results of the conditions.
I understand what you're trying to say, but this isn't the best comparison.
One problem with this analysis is that The Home Office in London that compiles crime statistics doesn't count a death as a murder until there is a conviction for murder, while in the U.S., a death that was not an accident or suicide and with evidence of foul play counts as a murder. Hence, "England's Mountain's green" may be more violent than we think, and maybe per capita more violent than the U.S.
It may be better to compare U.S. cities with different cop-to-murder ratios, but similar gun laws and other measurable factors.
You read what someone wrote about comparing US vs. UK murder rates, probably in a gun control debate, and now you're trying to apply your half-remembered version of that to London vs. Memphis homicide counts, aren't you?
Seriously, I know what I'm doing here. Be assured that the London homicide count I quoted does not depend on murder convictions, any more than the Memphis homicide count does. And while there might well be slop related to different evaluations of cases where it is not clear a person other than the deceased was involved, that sort of slop is incredibly unlikely to actually cover a factor-of-three differential in raw body count, and simply will not manage to cover a factor of forty-five differential in homicides per capita.
Ah, but there is Justifiable Homicide i.e. Self-Defense and Unjustifiable Homicide.
And Unjustifiable Homicide divides into Homicide with Premeditation and Malice Afforethought i.e. Murder and Felony Murder, and Homicide with Reckless Disregard for Human Life e.g. Vehicular Homicide.
Of all of these forms of Homicide, it is Murder and Felony Murder that makes an area a war zone, not Self-Defense or deadly traffic snarls, bad as the latter are.
Finally, if British statistics are so screwy and politically biased that it’s not a murder unless someone is convicted, then how reliable are British statistics on other crimes?
Again, it would be better to compare Nashville with other U.S. Cities under the same legal code and control for other variables.
It doesn't even necessarily have to do with murder rates, just generally how crappy a city is. How much poverty, homeless people, etc.
The nice suburban cities that pay decently get the best graduates from the police academies. Urban areas that don't pay so well get something less than the top graduates.
It doesn’t help that US police now often dress like soldiers, get surplus military gear and are trained to respond like soldiers. Across the pond, the bobbies are probably afraid their bloody hat will fall off if they get cheeky with some bloke.
Britain is even worse off than democrat cities here.
https://twitter.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/1619437660090793984?t=wSas2oiTgpUPA0q7ovPtDA&s=19
Why don’t Japanese cities have massive crime problems like American cities?
We all know why.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1619523502515847168?t=DDTXEAIgF5VcZuMYUxqorA&s=19
“If we don’t get it, burn it down!”
#Antifa black bloc and & far-left protesters march through Washington, DC, chanting threats of arson. #TyreNichols #BLM
Video by @LisaBennatan:
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Hopefully they don’t try to peacefully protest at the Capitol. Violent riots in the rest of the city? Totes ok.
Obviously the black faces of WHITE SUPREMACY! Without a doubt. Right?
That the five cops were black is meaningless to the rioters. The same people who are involved in all these riots have no problem when black men kill other black men, women and even children. Nope. Not a peep.Not a peep when a black man ran over several others outside a Chicago bar last summer, killing three of them.
Not a peep about the massive numbers of blacks murdered at the hands of other blacks.Every city has broken past records for homicides New Orleans rates number one for per capita homicides. Last year(2022) Chicago ran up 736 homcides, the previous year /2021 was 850+.
Do you see large demonstrations protesting these murders?
Nope. Not a peep. It has become acceptable for blacks to murder other blacks.
You can bet the MSM has been busily whipping people up into a frenzy with their yellow journalism, after all, it drives viewers to the 24 news cycle channels. I suspect the MSM has a lot to do with all these riots.
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Probalbly the one that wants to sing the loudest.
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I’ve challenged you and other fuckwits to do so pretty much every time you’ve trolled my comments here.
Yet none of you ever have. Demonstrated by the fact that you can’t describe and post a link to anyone ever doing so.
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