Amber McLaughlin's Jury Deadlocked—So the Judge Decided She Should Be Executed
Today's scheduled execution is getting attention because she's trans. But the bigger story here is how she was sentenced to die.

The first execution of 2023 in the United States may also end up being the first execution of a trans inmate, but the media emphasis on Amber McLaughlin's identity obscures a more serious issue of how the state of Missouri sometimes allows judges to overrule juries in sentencing.
Today, Missouri plans to execute McLaughlin, 49, for killing her ex-girlfriend, Beverly Guenther, in St. Louis County in 2003. She was convicted under her birth name (Scott) and started her transition in prison three years ago, and as such she is believed to be the first transgender prisoner to face execution (according to the Death Penalty Information Center, DPIC). As such, McLaughlin's LGBT identity and the prison image of her in pigtails is getting a lot of attention.
But this obsession with identity shouldn't come at the expense of a serious flaw in McLaughlin's sentencing. When McLaughlin was convicted and sentenced in 2006, the jury deadlocked on whether to sentence her to death. They rejected three out of four aggravating circumstances that would allow for a capital sentence, but couldn't decide on the fourth. In states that still have the death penalty and in federal sentencing trials, a hung jury means that the defendant is sentenced to life in prison. Four states (California, Nevada, Arizona, and Kentucky) call for a retrial of the penalty phase under a new jury.
Missouri and Indiana are the only two states that give the judge hearing the trial the authority to make the decision. And so, ultimately, McLaughlin was not sentenced to death by a jury, but by a single judge. DPIC notes, "McLaughlin's trial judge then relied upon the aggravating circumstances rejected by the jury to sentence McLaughlin to death."
In 2016 a federal district court overruled the death sentence, determining that her defense hadn't adequately presented her mental health history showing physical and sexual abuse, brain damage, and multiple suicide attempts. But that decision was subsequently overruled by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit, and the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.
McLaughlin's trans identity is a sideshow. Many news stories are, fortunately, also describing the circumstances that she ended up on death row in the first place. In December, seven retired Missouri judges (led by former state Supreme Court Justice Michael A. Wolff) sent a letter to Missouri Gov. Mike Parson asking for him to consider commuting her sentence. They argued not on the basis of McLaughlin's identity or upbringing (in fact, the letter refers to McLaughlin by male pronouns throughout) but because of the deep concern that McLaughlin's fate was determined by a single judge and not a jury. They see this as a flaw in Missouri's sentencing system:
This flaw is more pronounced in this case because the trial judge then relied upon aggravating circumstances specifically rejected by the jury. Thus, the trial judge made his own findings contrary to the will of the jury, which runs squarely against the fundamental principles of our justice system. The trial judge did a complete end-run around a jury, where Mr. McLaughlin's attorneys had persuaded at least one and maybe 11 jurors that death was not appropriate.
If Parson rejects mercy for McLaughlin and she is executed today, some superficial press coverage may focus on her gender identity. Don't let the fact that she is trans distract from the issue that her death sentence was imposed by a judge who overruled the jury.
UPDATE: Parson rejected McLaughlin's request to commute her sentence, and this evening she was executed via lethal injection.
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Outstanding, ML. Made me laugh to boot.
Not the only 'trans woman violence' case that's getting funny treatment by the news.
I for one am glad to see women catching up in the violence department. Equity, bitches.
But only if the prison has a trans execution chamber.
Maybe they can use a Molecule Chamber to change it back.
I'm not real big on transgenderism, homosexuality, and diversity narratives but I must say that Rivers' story is much, *much* more compelling than Keri Blakinger's. Starting with the most important aspect of any crime story.
I think it's pretty obvious why Warfield/Rivers was angry: he went from being a good looking man to a scary looking, shriveled woman after transition. I suspect a lot of transgender people must harbor that kind of anger at the world.
This isn't a woman, it's a man in a dress. Shame on Reason for helping him maintain the facade by calling him she. It's getting so our language can no longer be used to communicate.
The idea is to use "Operation Mockingbird" style reporting as a means to influence people into believing certain myths and outright lies such as "men can become women" and "men can get pregnant and have babies" blah,blah,blah,blah blah.
Yeah, I'm really tired of Reason's absolute determination to humor the trans maniacs myself, too.
The fact of the matter is that this dude committed the murder in 2003, and was convicted and sentenced to death in 2006.
He didn't decide he was a 'woman' until about 3 years ago. Maybe in an attempt to avoid being executed?
Maybe it's like karma....equities a bitch
"Missouri and Indiana are the only two states that give the judge hearing the trial the authority to make the decision."
While I don't agree with the law, it is the law in MO. The jury was deadlocked on the penalty, not that Scott (AKA tranny Amber) murdered his ex-girlfriend.
Hard to say but in many ways, a judge making this decision would be my preference if it was me. A jury full of idiots can be a lot worse.
Agreed, those idiots send innocent people to prison all the time.
” . . . murdered his ex-girlfriend.”
Actually – Stalked, violated a restraining order, kidnapped, raped, stabbed, and then strangled to death his ex-girlfriend, before dumping her body in a river. She (his ex) had to have police protection sometimes at her office, where he would show up sometimes.
Lots of media aren’t mentioning anything other than the murder bit. Some aren’t even mentioning the ‘ex-‘ part of that relationship.
Oh, and I’ve only seen one that mentioned that he was previously imprisoned for the sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11539779/Transgender-inmate-Missouris-death-row-asks-mercy.html
Even that article really stretches the bounds of credulity with quotes like this:
‘It is extremely unusual for a woman to commit a capital offense, such as a brutal murder, and even more unusual for a women to, as was the case with McLaughlin, rape and murder a woman,’ Pojmann said.
I’m a big supporter of equal treatment under the law, regardless of race or sex or gender identity. I believe we owe it to society to treat this murdering rapist the same way we would treat anyone else guilty of those crimes.
Edit: missed a bold tag
‘It is extremely unusual for a woman to commit a capital offense, such as a brutal murder, and even more unusual for a women to, as was the case with McLaughlin, rape and murder a woman,’ Pojmann said.
I love how people pretend to be engaged with the lie as if it were truth.
Imagine our world of statistics (at least in Britain and America-- largely the only two countries on the planet gripped by trans-mania) where they show a sudden aligning of violent behavior between men and women. Everyone will know why, but no one will dare speak to the reason. Entire media articles will talk about how women are mysteriously becoming more violent, and they will attribute all manner of social-science speculative reasons, except the one everyone knows to be the truth.
"no one will dare speak to the reason."
I will speak to the reason. Anyone who cares about objective truth should speak to it. I refuse to let a bunch of radicals redefine reality.
Yeah, and D.R.(P.) isn't even exhaustive enough in his portrayal: not just media articles talking about how women are mysteriously becoming more violent but how this may've been the case throughout human history and we just missed it because of longstanding social norms.
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My guess, the powers at be won't let that happen. They will be called failed* transitions due to ongoing societial pervasive toxic male behavior blaming Ben Shapiro and Joe Rogan for the ongoing problem.
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I agree with you. No sympathy for this savage criminal and posturing narcissist. Who is a man. - a woman
This. I'm not sure what the point of this article is aside from "well, everyone else is doing it another way ergo doing it this way is wrong." Clearly, Missouri decided that's how it wants to do things. While perhaps not the way I would do things if I were god emperor, I am not, and this is hot mile from anything resembling a gross miscarriage of justice.
Yeah. Sounds akin to Emma Camp's story where she was astounded that kids get tried as adults in WI, blissfully ignorant that kids get tried as adults in other states and that states that prefer not to convict kids as adults still have *plenty* of problems (if not more) with excessively convicting/punishing juveniles in juvenile court.
Emma Camp strikes me as a fairly ignorant person with unremarkable intellect me. So it is unsurprising to me that she is regularly surprised by even simple things.
I disagree, somewhat. The Constitution guarantees a right to jury; 6A. The question I have is whether that has been incorporated under the 14th A. Which I know many cases have, Gideon certainly and pretty sure Miranda as well, but not sure if any touched on right to jury in this respect. And since this is a capitol murder case, I think the highest level of due process is owed. So SCOTUS should rule on the matter one way or another.
The jury found the defendant guilty.
The judge sentenced the defendant.
Case closed.
Should have murdered his, sorry, I mean, "Her" Victim in Kansas
This is vile.
There's no question of this man's guilt. He killed his girlfriend.
He IS a murderer.
Stop defending murderers.
When it was his time, did he show any regard for the woman he killed? No. He has already lived too many years stolen from her.
Apparently he stalked, then raped and murdered his ex-girlfriend. Then he dumped the body, which sounds like premeditation, or at least a desire to evade responsibility. He sounds like a real swell fella.
Personally, I'd prefer life in prison, because I cannot trust the government to make life-and-death decisions regarding incarcerated people. He's not a threat to anyone in there, except other incarcerated shitheads. But I'm not going to shed any tears if they execute this lunatic.
Pretty much sums up my feelings. Governments should not be killing people, it makes it too easy to sweep malfeasance under the rug. The Illinois governor who commuted all death sentences to life without parole did so because more people on death row were exonerated by prosecutor and/or police fraud than were executed.
But the criminal? He's got a zillion excuses, now. If he had gone to mental health authorities, even to the police, beforehand with the excuses, and been ignored, I'd have some sympathy. If he'd stuck around and confessed to the murder, I'd have some sympathy.
Iceland 1000 years ago had a rule that if you killed someone in self-defense and fled the scene, you were a murderer and it was not self-defense. There's a lot of smarts in that idea. If you try to cover up what you did, pr pretend you didn't do it, my sympathy dwindles.
"Iceland 1000 years ago had a rule that if you killed someone in self-defense and fled the scene, you were a murderer and it was not self-defense. There’s a lot of smarts in that idea. If you try to cover up what you did, pr pretend you didn’t do it, my sympathy dwindles."
I agree with this sentiment but killing someone in self-defense in America is a 50/50 proposition.
Too many people turn themselves in only to be vilified and prosecuted by POS DA's.
If it were me, I'd weigh my situation and decide to flee or stay. If you flee and get caught you can always say you panicked and hope the evidence and the jury sees it your way.
This is exactly what happened to Rittenhouse. The extensive cell camera footage shows him defending himself against a bunch of savages, but he was still prosecuted and had to go to trial to defend his innocence. Thankfully the jury made the right call.
Personally, I’d prefer life in prison, because I cannot trust the government to make life-and-death decisions regarding incarcerated people. He’s not a threat to anyone in there, except other incarcerated shitheads. But I’m not going to shed any tears if they execute this lunatic.
Well, that's pretty nonsensical: "It would be wrong to execute him because the government is frequently criminally incompetent, but if we lock him in a cage (and ignore the fact that the State is criminally incompetent in doing that) where he kills actual criminals or actual criminals kill him, well, then I and the State are morally absolved of any wrongdoing." WTF?
"It would be wrong to execute him because the government is frequently criminally incompetent"
Let's drop the "criminal" modifier there, I said the state is incompetent. It IS incompetent and that's one of the reasons I'm a libertarian.
"but if we lock him in a cage (and ignore the fact that the State is criminally incompetent in doing that)"
I didn't say that either. The state has an interest in protecting innocents from violent criminals, and since we can't put them on the moon, a cage on terra firma is the best option. The only option, really. I am strongly in favor of imprisoning violent assholes.
"where he kills actual criminals or actual criminals kill him, well, then I and the State are morally absolved of any wrongdoing."
I, personally, would FEEL no remorse if he (the violent asshole) was killed in prison. If I am morally culpable because I think he should be in prison, and something bad happens to him in prison, then so be it. I don't believe that logically follows, because I'm not the one putting him there. I do endorse that method of punishment, however (for violent assholes). I think it's very important we ONLY put violent shitheads in prison because of the likelihood of such an outcome. The state, being the administrator of prisons, has a duty to ensure prisoners are free of extrajudicial punishments, but it's pretty low on the priority scale for me, because I have so little sympathy for people who initiate violence on others.
Satisfied?
That's right even though he slaughtered that girl like you would a pig or cow at a slaughterhouse makes no difference because after all because the state makes mistakes and actually it would be better if he was just simply released back into society where he can begin the healing process with "restorative justice" and peace circles.
How'd you get to that last part?
I should have inserted a "sarc alert". Actually this is the thought processes of liberals these days.
Restorative justice and 'peace circles" is now the latest campaign by lib/progs to keep violent and dangerous criminals back on the streets.
I see it more like the victim’s family identifies as the killer being dead.
"Personally, I’d prefer life in prison, because I cannot trust the government to make life-and-death decisions regarding incarcerated people. He’s not a threat to anyone in there, except other incarcerated shitheads."
There are sadly two problems with leaving this piece of shit alive, both stemming from trans' place on the progressive stack. The bastard could either get transferred to a women's prison and proceed to rape the inmates or theoretically get released in a few years when Kim Kardashian or some other vapid celebrity needs to champion a cause.
And with the amount of woke and Soros backed DAs and prosecutors out there, my monies on the second happening. Better to turn on old sparky and be done with it.
If it's LWOP. Keep in mind if you leave any possibility of parole he'll be out murdering people again because parole boards are full of bleeding heart socialist idiots. I'm not against the death penalty, but the government screws it up so often, and I'm talking about the wrongful convictions and not the bungled executions, I'm against the government doing it. I'd feel better about it if some prisoner shanks this cross dresser.
There are, per the article, two states in which the government can make such decisions.
In the rest, it is the JURY that decides. Not the government.
It is the anti-death penalty activists that perpetuate the lie that the death penalty in the US is akin to the death penalty in China. It is not.
It’s not like executors are ever rushed. A fast execution would be anything less than 12 years anymore. There are two people currently on death row that have been there for over 31 years.
Something like 3 years should be plenty to work out all the associated issues.
Can we just change the pronouns for all leftists to ‘it/that’? This will greatly simplify things going forward.
Respectfully using the bullshit pronouns of this psychopath
Yawn. A person who is born male cannot "transition" to becoming female. Biology doesn't work that way.
But, hey, thanks reason for endorsing the mass psychosis gripping this country.
How else can we transitarian?
They're part of Operation Mockingbird
You guys don't like the death penalty. Ok, fine. Judge-sentencing is just your hook for complaining about this one.
The crime was death worthy, and that's that.
For Shackford, the hook is the tranny angle.
I wonder how long it will be before Shackford openly takes up for child molesters?
being opposed to the death penalty is a perfectly respectable position to have. I oppose letting the state kill this tranny.
But respectfully tiptoeing around this bullshit act of a likely psychopathic murdering shitheel is just ridiculous.
Not ridiculous. Catering to Eddie Izzard's retarded whims is ridiculous. This is the definitive conception of 'chaotic evil'.
I’ve always seem Bernie Sanders as chaotic evil. Probably AOC and the rest of the ‘squad’ as well. Pelosi and her ilk are more lawful evil.
Pelosi is retired. Thinking about sending her a retirement present, you know something along the lines of a hammer and a pair of whitey tighties.
I’m for the death penalty. Although I would not allow death as a sentence option in any circumstantial cases.
There are certainly criminals that deserve it, but it should only be an option in cases that are so obvious that there is no chance of a wrongful conviction. I don't have much faith in that standard actually being applied, and expect innocent people to face death row as long as it's an option.
Serial killers are low hanging fruit. They’re normally caught dead to rights. Amd I can think of a single reason to keep them alive.
‘Can’t’
Progress?
There is no principle of libertarianism, nor any part of the US Constitution, that that entitles someone in a capital case to sentencing by jury.
There is no principle of libertarianism that allows the State to execute criminals.
^ this
How about exile?
Phantom Zone?
What about private individuals acting on behalf of the State? Asking for a friend who may be a Reason contributor or may be “You know who else…?”
Justice isn't a libertarian principle?
It's an incorrect assertion. Or, potentially more accurately, it's a factual truth along the lines of Amber McLaughlin is actually a man.
Either there is a principle of libertarianism that allows the State to execute people or there is no principle of libertarianism that allows the State to lock people in cages either. He's free to believe libertarianism forbids capitol punishment but his fantasies have no bearing on reality.
Libertarianism has nothing to say about incarceration or the death penalty, afaik, except to acknowledge that the state is a piss-poor administrator of both. Libertarianism does recognize property rights and human rights; the right to be free of violence, the right to be left alone. Not everyone is inclined to recognize those rights; not everyone is aware those rights even exist. We need a solution to the people who would violate those rights. Better a cage than a bullet; a person can be taken out of a cage, if we realize we made an error there.
Better a cage than a bullet; a person can be taken out of a cage, if we realize we made an error there.
First, per your own assertions, this isn’t a definitively libertarian stance. Libertarianism stipulates non-aggression, not the (in)appropriateness of retaliatory aggression once initiated.
Second, setting aside the gross false dichotomy, the notion that the cage is demonstrably superior to a bullet repeatedly and demonstrably incorrect in anything except your specific moral fantasy land. Even you objectively recognize that you can’t give anyone back the 20 yrs. you locked them in a cage any more than you can extract the bullet from their brain pan. The primary distinction being, particularly from a libertarian standpoint, the bullet in the brain pan costs less than a dollar.
Third, you say ” if *we* realize *we* made an error” but above you say, “I, personally, would FEEL no remorse if he (the violent asshole) was killed in prison. If I am morally culpable because I think he should be in prison, and something bad happens to him in prison, then so be it. I don’t believe that logically follows, because I’m not the one putting him there.” Do you feel personally responsible for the errors or not? Do you only feel responsible for the errors when the state directly executes someone but not when they neglectfully allow someone to die (by violent means or other) in holding? Why would your on-again/off-again personal guilt wrt to someone dying at the hands of certain TOP MEN in prison (but not others) translate to “we”?
The libertarian solutions are: (1) large civil liability, resulting in effective serfdom, (2) declaring someone an outlaw and removing all legal protections from them, (3) exile. Take your pick. They effectively amount to life imprisonment or the death penalty anyway.
Is there one that requires they be housed and fed at taxpayer expense?
True. But libertarianism allows declaring people outlaws, which amounts to the same thing.
It depends on whether some kind of factual finding is a prerequisite to imposing the death penalty.
Imagine a law that anyone convicted by a jury of criminal homicide would have the case referred to the judge, and the judge could impose the death sentence if he decides the crime was first-degree murder.
First-degree is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition, for a death sentence. Someone has to find if the facts add up to first degree. That would be the jury’s responsibility.
Similarly, if an aggravating circumstance is a (necessary but not sufficient) prerequisite to the death penalty, the jury should decide it.
I mean, even if you’re against omg jury nullification and jurors judging the law, jurors at least are finders of fact.
But OTOH, if you get right down to it, I’m not sure if the issue was “preserved” in the court system. If he – I mean she – missed a deadline to challenge the sentence, I wouldn’t exactly shed copious tears.
Who needs to "imagine"? It was a matter of established law at the time of the adoption of the Constitution that someone convicted of any felony was subject to hanging. And while during and immediately after the founding era the states adopted laws allowing discretionary punishments for felonies short of that, the vast majority adopted judge discretion (on the model of Pennsylvania), not jury discretion (on the model of Virginia). A judge deciding, in accordance with an established procedure in law, whether a duly-convicted felon should be executed or not is perfectly legitimate as far as the US Constitution is concerned.
If you want to argue (contra the actual courts, mind) that the lunatic scribblings of power-drunk men in black robes in the 1970s do not allow an execution in this case, the correct answer is that nobody should give a shit what those usurpers said, because those ravings had nothing to actually do with the text or meaning of the Constitution they were supposedly expounding.
It's simply too tiresome to rebut all those straw men.
If the law allows the execution of first-degree murderers but not other killers, the jury needs to find the facts needed to make the killing into first-degree murder. And so forth.
The only thing about this convict's trans status is the not unlikely possibility that "Scott" went that route in order to get into a women's prison, which must have been a very reassuring development for the biological women serving time there.
Reminds of the kid in Louden County school who claimed to have trans into a female only to be able to rape actual females in girl's bathrooms. Even though the Louden County school board did everything they could to cover it all up.
That is a misstatement.
The rapist in question had some gender-conformity issues but at the time, Loudoun County did not allow transsexual males to use the female bathrooms.
Shockingly, just as school shooters ignore gun regulations, a rapist ignored bathroom regulations.
School officials covered the crime up, whether to protect the intended new bathroom policy or out of ordinary asscovering, I cannot say.
Rubbish. He obviously took on the role of trans so he could do what he did: walk into the girl's bathrooms so he could rape them.
The Louden County B of E should be prosecuted as accomplishes.
Of course the death penalty is evil and should be abolished everywhere. And egregious cases like this might help bring an end to it.
But this trans nonsense is stupid. A dude spends 46 years as a dude, and then simply says, I'm a girl now. No, you are not a girl. Your mental issue does not trump reality.
But Shackford, gaslit and towing the line, dutifully calls him a she. Mind boggling.
Don't you dare misgender the rapist-murderer.
Misgender: to the gallows with him!
People in England literally got in trouble with the police for doing that.
The Brit’s should overthrow their government.
But this trans nonsense is stupid. A dude spends 46 years as a dude, and then simply says, I’m a girl now. No, you are not a girl. Your mental issue does not trump reality.
Retroactively and disinformatively. Virtually every modern language has a conception of how to refer to things as the were in the past, frequently several. Scott chooses to forego all of them in order to support the most dishonest and disrespectful (You know the woman he killed was dating a man, right? That everyone who loved her and cared for her said, at the time, she was killed by the man she was dating, right?) rendition.
Things we used to know that we now pretend not to.
Things that were never clear that we pretend are totally settled science.
I have no problem with the death penalty especially with psychopaths like that. The death penalty should also be used for gang bangers and illegals who commit murder.
Why should taxpayers be forced at gunpoint to pay to keep those pieces of human excrement alive for the rest of their lives?
Biggest issue presented in the article (and ignored by the author) is that taxpayers foot the bill for the "transition" medical cost.
They argued not on the basis of McLaughlin's identity or upbringing (in fact, the letter refers to McLaughlin by male pronouns throughout)
Why aren't they buying in just like everyone else?
Today, Missouri plans to execute McLaughlin, 49, for killing her ex-girlfriend, Beverly Guenther, in St. Louis County in 2003.
When they're dead, they're just lesbians.
HIM! HIM HIM HIM!!!!
IDIOT!
Forget everything else but this: in the US, juries are supposed to be the finders of fact, and in this case the judge overruled the jury. It's an extreme instance of judges engaged in fact-finding but there are plenty of other examples, up to and including at the Supreme Court.
As long as a transwoman ends up dead, I'm fine with it.
If judges can sentence a person for crimes the jury has acquitted them on, why is this a surprise?
(Not saying either is right)
BTW can someone point me to scientific research showing that it's impossible for someone with an XY phenotype to think that they're female?
another "cite?" bro in the house.
lol
Well, when people are so confident about what other people think and claim scientific validity, nay, certainty, for their opinions - and by implication insist that these other people are lying, it's only reasonable to ask them to support their opinions with some actual - not claimed - facts.
Humans are binary sexed and in the vast majority of cases it is not difficult to tell the difference. Our entire society, until very recently, was structured around these biological differences. It still is.
Anyone who is sexed as a man and claims to be a woman is a liar. I don't give two shits how strongly they feel it, they are wrong.
no one claims they are all lying but many are and this psychopath is obviously one of them.
Others may just be confused or hopeful but even so, this doesnt make them into an actual member of the opposite sex.
they are not magically transformed into the opposite sex by simply saying they are, or by "feeling" like it. No one of one sex can actually know what it is actually like to think and feel like the opposite sex.
They are guessing at what it feels like to be a woman when they are a man. and vice versa. They are projecting a fantasy from their own head, but they cant know.
Heck, I'm a man, and I can't know what's in my brother's head!
This, despite, and perhaps even because, of growing up with him.
The schadenfreudiest thing is that even a relatively feeble-minded 9 yr. old would recognize his stupidity as preying on the feeble minded in order to maintain or advance their enfeebling.
And, yet, he persists as though there is some payout.
People "think" all kinds of bullshit. I think I'm God's gift to women; doesn't mean it's true.
You should identify as God's gift to women and accuse any woman not wanting to sleep with you as "dorotheophobic".
They can also think they are Napoleon or the Easter bunny. Doesn't make it so.
It is impossible for a biological male to know that their mindset is anywhere close to that of a woman. Just as it is impossible for someone with red-green colorblindness to really experience what the difference between red and green is. It is simply something that cannot be known without experiencing it.
Bad analogies don't make for good arguments.
People do have an innate sense of their own sex. But implicitly according to you, that sense can never be at odds with their phenotype.
Indeed this is true, BY DEFINITION.
One can never know how a woman feels if you are not a woman. You can guess, you can approximate, you can commiserate but you can never know for sure.
The irony is that your position depends on an analogy! "I feel like a woman" is in fact an analogy.
So how do you know whether someone phenotypically male actually feels female the way that someone phenotypically female feels female or they have a different feeling? Obviously, by the same argument you're deploying, you can't know. You just believe that they don't feel the same.
Meanwhile,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/
the same can be said for someone who feels like they are a wolf. You cant actually know they dont feel exactly how a wolf feels.
But either way you arent going to start treating them like a wolf.
So you think brain scans should be used to determine if someone is trans? I can get on board with that. That IS why you posted the link, correct? To say we should do those tests to determine if someone is truly trans?
You think the trans community would be down with that? Cuz as whiny as they are, it seems like they would say that a man merely saying he is a woman would be enough, but you seem to disagree right?
No. But brain scans are evidence for the general proposition. Duh.
No they aren't. They're not falsifiable per your own assertions. You might as well say scans of knives are evidence for the general proposition that men are more violent than women.
But if you think someone can have a scan that aligns more with the sex they were born as and yet still be trans then the entire thing is pointless.
It's like if you invented a machine that could detect spirits, but just still decided to merely take someone's word on if their house is haunted or not. Why did you even bother with the machine?
Also I DID NOT say they dont feel the same. maybe they do. who knows? We dont know, and neither do they.
If men can know how women feel then there is no longer any justification for saying we should have no say in the abortion debate.
And he brings up the brain scan stuff, but I doubt he would want to commit to saying you can't be trans if your brain does indeed align with the sex you were born as.
What if my brain scan looks a lot like a woman's but i dont think i'm a woman?
Again, I’m not and never have been big on purity tests. But the degree to which people will knowingly advocate chaotic evil convinces me the alleged disadvantages are grossly overstated.
Regardless of any/all brain scans or personal feelings, no one with an XY chromosome set is going, for the foreseeable future, know what it’s like to have someone else deposit their chromosomes in their womb and initiate pregnancy.
This is, in no way, a controversial truth by anyone except ghouls and high-functioning zombies who need to be executed. It should be noted that this is not explicitly inclusive of or to trans people. MtFs who are rationally aware they aren’t going to get pregnant would pass the purity test. FtMs would pass the purity test. Only, as indicated, the mindless zealots and disinformative ghouls seeking to further subjugate women and girls, undermine science, tear down objective truth, erode good faith, and essentially drive against all human civilization(s) would fail and wind up in front of a firing squad.
Case in point, the brain scan study he cites is methodological garbage and, more critically, is non-falsifiable anti-science and, ultimately, doesn’t support and even refutes his assertion that trans brains or thoughts are virtually indistinguishable from their cis counterparts. Anybody stupid enough to present the study as such would be better served and better serving of everyone else with a bullet in their skull. Even a modestly retarded trans person would recognize that is says the trans brains are definitively not like their cis- counterparts.
the brain scan study he cites is methodological garbage and, more critically, is non-falsifiable anti-science
Your comment is of course mere shallow opinion, driven by your pathological distaste for the general subject. And your constant desire to have people who think differently from you to be executed suggests broader pathological issues.
You're some kind of fucked up cunt, really.
I'm not 100% sure about this, but I'm pretty sure the people "mad.causual" wants executed for "thinking differently than him" are people who think it's ok to carry out rape and murder against a fellow human being, to the point of actually doing it.
And frankly I'm in the same boat: I think anyone who actually thinks this way deserves to be executed.
Your comment is of course mere shallow opinion,
Your study provides three possible categories: cis-male, cis-female, and MtF. By it's own premise it doesn't even purport to describe a quarter of the gender spectrum. My statements aren't opinion and, even if they were, that's the point of doing good science, to establish your speculative opinions as fact rather than shallow, easily demonstrable, non-falsifiable, oxymoronic opinion.
And your constant desire to have people who think differently from you to be executed suggests broader pathological issues.
If you'd read what I wrote or understood it, you'd realize that I don't have a problem with people who think differently than I do. My problem is with the people who demonstrably and systematically don't think, or act like they don't, to the active detriment of themselves and everyone around them. That's definitively pathological. I've got no problem with the guy who thinks volcanoes require virgin sacrifices, especially if he's never actually tossed anyone in a volcano. Even if he has, society has adequate ways of dealing with that. My problem is the people around him who say "Just go along with it.", and not in some sense of "Once he sees it won't work, he'll stop." or "He can really only throw so many people in." but in the sense of "Really, our society should be throwing more people in volcanoes, just because."
These people aren't different thinkers operating on some common good faith. They aren't thinking. Which, again, is itself fine, toasters don't think, lots of mammals don't broadly think like humans, they aren't a serious threat to anyone and don't need to be broadly culled. But once the toaster shorts out and burns someone's hand or the cattle are so numerous that people are routinely being trampled by them well, then, the fact that neither the toaster nor the cow feels anything one way or the other about burning and crushing people justifies the reciprocity.
What scientific tests can we run to show this?
People also have an innate sense of their body shape. Both innate senses can be wrong, resulting in a "dysmorphia", a psychological problem that is not treatable by surgery.
You can think whatever you want darling. I draw the line when you try to get me to play along with your delusions.
Anyone can ‘think’ they’re anything. By itself it doesn’t make it so.
No one says they can't think they are female, just that they are not female.
Delusional behavior isn't uncommon. Doesn't mean they are.
BTW can someone point me to scientific research showing that it’s impossible for someone with an XY phenotype to think that they’re female?
First, XY is a genotype, not a phenotype.
Second, no one can provide you with a cite because no one is claiming that it is impossible for anyone to think anything. What you're wanting is a cite for something you've made up in your head.
And no one can provide such.
Of course the judge does know more of the facts than the jury. He knows all the evidence that for one reason or another was suppressed/not presented to the jury such as prior history and other factors. My brother is a judge and he frequently mentions how much really damning (factually accurate) evidence is kept out of the juries view as we go out of our way to make sure juries are not "tainted".
That compensates for the state's overwhelming advantage in resources, from investigators to expert witnesses, to the ability to commit perjury with impunity.
He raped and murdered a woman. If you have a death penalty, then that's what it should be used for.
There's no question of guilt, the only reason the death penalty should not be used.
I think spending the rest of one’s life in prison as a trans woman would be far worse than being executed-even in a women’s prison, trannies would be a big target.
Which means anyone who is pro trans should want the execution to happen...
Yes, the trans is indeed a "sideshow:"
"McLaughlin’s conviction and sentence remains after multiple, thorough examinations of Missouri law. McLaughlin stalked, raped, and murdered Ms. Guenther. McLaughlin is a violent criminal. Ms. Guenther’s family and loved ones deserve peace. The State of Missouri will carry out McLaughlin’s sentence according to the Court’s order and deliver justice."
MISSOURI GOVERNOR MICHAEL L. PARSON IN A PRESS RELEASE
“McLaughlin’s conviction and sentence remains after multiple, thorough examinations of Missouri law. McLaughlin stalked, raped, and murdered Ms. Guenther. McLaughlin is a violent criminal,” Parson said in a statement. “Ms. Guenther’s family and loved ones deserve peace. The State of Missouri will carry out McLaughlin’s sentence according to the Court’s order and deliver justice.”
Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article270703772.html#storylink=cpy
They argued not on the basis of McLaughlin's identity or upbringing (in fact, the letter refers to McLaughlin by male pronouns throughout) but because of the deep concern that McLaughlin's fate was determined by a single judge and not a jury.
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This is what we should be looking at. The transgender thing is not relevant at all.
It's relevant because Shackford had to bring it up, and simultaneously endorse it by using the "correct" pronouns.
^ it's so fucking weird to watch
You're damned straight it's not relevant. His ass goes into a male prison where he belongs.
“You’re damned straight…”
I know it wasn't intended, but that’s a good pun.
Ironic that a deadlock, or a situation that is actually between two decisions is being "overruled" by a law that clearly delineates how such trans-decisions are supposed to be handled.
AFAICT, the whole think I a bunch of bleeding heart Wah!mbulance chasers falling all over themselves to keep the unquestionably shittiest of shitty human beings alive at taxpayer expense as long as possible.
Don't want to be the first trannie executed in the state of MO? Don't stalk and murder your ex-girlfriend, get convicted, have the jury deadlock at sentencing, and then transition years later like the first trannie to be executed by the state of MO.
"She"? That's a man kiddo.
If this story is only a story cuz of the trans status then I'm tired of hearing about how these shitheads are all oppressed. You murdered someone, die slow you salty bitch.
As soon as this POS declared himself a "transwoman" he admitted his guilt just as surely as though he had been videotaped performing the deed.
Be that as it may, the only good "transwoman" is a dead "transwoman."
You can't really fault male prisoners for taking advantage of the culture zeitgeist. If I had a choice between being incarcerated with men and being incarcerated with women, I would obviously choose to be housed with women, who are less aggressive and also less likely to overpower me. I would be rather like Max Klinger of M*A*S*H purposefully pulling stunts in order to gain a psychiatric discharge from the army.
The people who deserve your ire the white-collar types who know better but cheer on this utterly absurd charade. It is maddening to see not just how many activists there are leading the charge, but how much support they get from well-meaning people who don't seem to understand they're carrying a torch in a mob.
McLaughlin's trans identity is a sideshow.
In the same way a circus geek is a sideshow. McLaughlin’s trans identity is irrelevant. Pro tip, if the murderer was born with a penis, the murderer is a he. If a karyotype shows the twenty third chromosome pair of the murderer is XY, the murderer is a he. If the murderer is one of the sixteen one-thousandths of one percent where the chromosome pair is neither XX nor XY, use whatever pronoun you want. Otherwise, stop butchering the language.
The dude declared himself a woman so he could overpower women in the women's prison.
Trial by jury is a right; sentencing by jury isn't. Was Missouri law broken? Does any part of that law violate enumerated rights? If not, I don't see the issue, other than another nitpicking attack on the death penalty in any form.
I'd like to read the article where the jury sentenced him to death and then the judge overrode it.
Stalked, violated a restraining order, kidnapped, raped, stabbed, and then strangled to death his ex-girlfriend, before dumping her body in a river. She (his ex) had to have police protection sometimes at her office, where he would show up sometimes.
How about we cut off his dick and then kill him?
oh..... wait.....
Somebody had to say it.
Should just follow the state laws, sorry MAN!
“She” is actually a “He”. He raped and murdered HIS ex-girlfriend. He stalked her, kidnapped, stabbed and raped her before tossing her body in a river. She had an obviously useless restraining order against him when she should have had a firearm or two strapped to her side and used one of them to remove him from society.
(I’m not required to participate in their ignorant and government-supported fantasies, and refuse to do so. She is a HE!)
Thank you for sharing!
HE killed HIS ex girlfriend in cold blood. HE has a Y chromosome in every cell in HIS body so HE is not female. HE should be treated like every other convicted murderer. Execute HIM.
I personally like seeing a jury reject the prosecution's narrative as in this case the “aggravating circumstances”. I’m also opposed to capital punishment even though many might be deserving. I can’t think of any reason to believe that an obviously corrupt and incompetent government somehow suddenly gets it right when it decides to execute people.
I'm about to lose my breakfast with all of this 'she' shit. HE killed his girlfriend. HE wasn't a lesbian. Now, what were you saying?
Let us all hope and pray (even we atheists) that this "transwoman" is dead along with all of his satan-worshiping pedophile cam-concealing public-wanking rapist murdering ilk.
THE O)NLY GOOD TRANSWOMAN IS A DEAD TRANSWOMAN!!!!
People keep saying they would prefer life in prison. Some cite being worried about innocents being executed. In this case doesn’t even “Amber” admit they did it? So not a case of an innocent person.
I’d be on board with life in prison for murderers if that “life” sucked. Like being homeless on the streets should still be a better experience than being in prison for murder. I want them in solitary confinement all the time and fed nothing but stale bread and water. 3 meals a day, books to read, people to socialize with, even movies to watch? All that is too good for a killer. I want them literally suffering every day or snuffed out. Basically if prison was so awful for murderers it had them begging for death I'd then be okay with not killing them. They have to want to die if they want to live.
That is a dude Reason. Less women get the death penalty then men, change sexes and save yourself.
The dude's a dude. Stop with the she/her bs. It makes the article hard to read when I have to translate every sentence into Common Sense.
He committed the rape and murder back in 2003, was convicted in 2006, and didn't decide he was a girl until 3 years ago.
I'm guessing it was either an attempt to avoid execution, or to get in a few more rapes in a woman's prison before they fried him.
Reason is obsessed with trans and this reality denying "gender identity" bs. You can't chose your gender..evolution already has. Grow up.
that is a man. HE is the word you use. Stop playing into the stupid games.
So glad this sub-human scum is dead!
One down--every other tranny in the world to go!
Thank you for sharing! Keep it up!
Scott just can't leave the trannies related stories it seems.
this is a man who raped and murdered a human being. He deserves to fing die...painfully.
Probably the one time I concur with the government. Juries are often wrong, with one or more hard headed "Perry Mason wannabes" that screw up deliberations.
Last year, in 2021, Chicago alone accounted for 855 homicides yet it puts the state of Illinois near the bottom of per capita list with Louisiana being at the top.
However you can't discount the fact that the year 2021 ended with 855 homicides and the year 2022 ended with 735 homicides.
Just the other day a brazen murder took place in a gas station In Chicago, where one of the perps appeared to be using an automatic weapon.
Until the people get tired of this and demand Mayors and Prosecutors get tough with these scum, nothing will change except for the worse.
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