The Supreme Court Weighs the Future of Section 230
The famous internet law is headed for the High Court.

Two years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear a case which asked the justices to weigh in on the scope of Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, the famous provision which says that "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." Section 230 generally shields online platforms, such as social media companies, from being sued over content posted to those platforms by others.
Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with his colleagues that the Court should not have heard the case. But "in an appropriate case," Thomas wrote, the Court should not only hear arguments, but begin "paring back the sweeping immunity [for companies] courts have read into §230."
Thomas may soon get his wish. On February 21, 2023, the Supreme Court will hear arguments in Gonzales v. Google, a case which asks whether Section 230 immunizes Google, the owner of YouTube, from being sued by persons alleging that YouTube's algorithms aided the terrorist group ISIS by recommending ISIS videos to viewers. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled in Google's favor in 2021, holding that Section 230 bars such lawsuits. The Supreme Court will review that ruling.
To say the least, this is a politically loaded case. Both Republicans and Democrats have taken aim at Section 230 in recent years, claiming that the provision unfairly advantages big tech. Now those same politicians see this case as a vehicle for achieving their own policy objectives. "Far from making the internet safer for children," declared a friend of the court brief filed by Sen. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.), "Section 230 now allows platforms to escape any real accountability for their decision-making." Hawley is just one of many conservatives urging the Court to strip Google of its Section 230 protections in this matter.
The trouble for Hawley and those who think like him is that Google has solid legal arguments on its side. As Corbin Barthold, internet policy counsel for TechFreedom, has observed, "recommending content to users is classic publisher behavior. It's what a newspaper does when it puts a story on page A1 instead of page D6. To hold a platform liable for how it presents user-generated content is to treat it as a publisher—exactly what Section 230 forbids." Barthold added: "If ISIS had not uploaded videos to YouTube, YouTube would have had no terrorist content to serve up. This is a tell that the plaintiffs' suit is really about the user-generated content and is a loser under Section 230."
The law is on Google's side. We'll find out later this term, probably in late June, if a majority of the Supreme Court is on the law's side.
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The law is on Google's side.
Yes it is.
But see 'Dobbs'. Our new activist court ignores 'stare decisis'.
"Our new activist court"
Any court led by Roberts is the opposite of activist. The man rules for whatever will earn him back pats at the country club, or an "attaboy" in the Washington Post.
And now explain why you think this court is "activist".
On many issues, Buttplug is a garden variety #Resistance talking point dispenser. The Supreme Court is one example.
"Activist" = court rules in a way he doesn't like
"Respecting the Constitution" = court rules in a way he likes
Christo-Fascists are gunning for Griswold:
Blackburn denounces Supreme Court contraception ruling from 1965
The more prominent Republicans criticize the Supreme Court’s Griswold v. Connecticut ruling on contraception access, the more the public should care.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/blackburn-denounces-supreme-court-contraception-ruling-1965-rcna20862
That kind of activism.
Christo-Fascism - or Wahabbi Christianity. Biblical Rule - whatever you call it.
Rachel Maddow. I mean she was right about Trump getting arrested for working with the Russians.
This isn't about Maddow, you dimwit.
"It’s against this backdrop that Blackburn, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, denounced Griswold as “constitutionally unsound.”"
Do you agree with Senator Blackburner?
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I answered below. Blackburn didn't state he was against the outcome, he discussed the unsound logic. But you're not intelligent enough to understand the issue. Just easily manipulated by people like Maddow.
To quote Sevo,
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
That's a perfect description of the bargain-basement propagandist, actually.
Really, you're getting your news from MSDNC? The same folks who are basically a propaganda outlet for the Democrat Party. The same folks who lied about Russian collusion, lied about masks, lied abut the vaccines, lied to cover Biden's lies.
It’s against this backdrop that Blackburn, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, denounced Griswold as “constitutionally unsound.”
Again, your filter for news is MSDNC.
He doesn't even understand what Blackburn said.
He doesn’t care. He’s got his talking points and he’s going with them.
This is exactly right. Tomorrow he'll be back telling the exact same tale, because he's paid to post it.
No one fucking cares about gay marriage or contraception. Your fever dreams can take a rest.
hy
You Aborto-Freaks won and you got to take away an established right. Hey, that is how our democracy works.
But don't pretend that wasn't your goal all along.
Are Aborto-Freaks the ones advocating for infanticide and late-term abortion, or the ones limiting it to the first and second trimesters like the rest of the fucking world?
Can you define established right? Because per the constitution government has no power over abortion at the federal level. In fact states do have greater police powers. Educate yourself on it before citing it.
Abortion was never even an established right under Roe. Privacy was. But even with Roe they balanced rights against viability.
It is almost like every view you have is developed out of your ass without any actual education around the subject.
It’s against this backdrop that Blackburn, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, denounced Griswold as “constitutionally unsound.”
Do you agree with Senator Blackburner?
Is he wrong? Can you cite the federal power that gives the federal government power over those concerns?
Even if you agree with the outcome, it doesn't make the logic or powers established in a constitutional ruling sound. Many bad laws have been adjudicated at the federal level and later overturned. Just because you like the outcome doesn't mean it is a sound ruling.
Again, you seem to have no understanding of the framework of the constitution.
Funny how Liberty Hating Conservatives always scream that "your beloved rights" are not enumerated in the Constitution.
Don't you have a NAMBLA meeting you're missing?
Be specific. What right are you referring to.
Here is the summary.
Since the right to privacy is not mentioned in the Constitution, Douglas needed to find another basis for it. He argued somewhat vaguely that the “penumbras” surrounding many of the constitutional amendments, like the Fifth Amendment’s protection against self-incrimination, suggested that the right to privacy from the state can be inferred as something that the Constitution is intended to protect.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/381/479/
A sound ruling would state government has no role in contracts between two people outside of enforcement. Searching for a means to an outcome is not a sound ruling.
Also based on your inference to an absolute right of privacy, please discuss how this goes away when releasing trumps tax returns.
Answer Jesse's fucking question, Buttplug. Stop trying to redirect away with retarded insults.
Can you cite the federal power that gives the federal government power over those concerns?
“Your beloved rights” ARE enumerated in the Constitution, especially the 1A and the Bill of Rights in general!
Now YOU (enemy of S-230, and of free speech, and the property rights of web site owners) please tell us what gives YOU (or actual USA citizens, which you are NOT) the right to use your votes to take over the property rights of web site owners? Is populist MARXISM an enumerated right, now?
If we can blame web site owners for the terrorist acts of Islamofascists who post on their sites... Can we ALSO blame the media in general, for the destruction wrought by Trumpanzees gone apeshit? After all, the media reported on said hissy fits of Trumpanzees gone apeshit!
This is not much more than humoring nasty, scum-sucking lawyers who seek "deep pockets"! Joe Blow commentor is too poor to sue... So let's sue FacePoooo etc.!!!! For that which FacePoooo did NOT write! "Justice"... Does it mean ANYTHING to power-seeking jerks?
You never answered the question either, you retarded old nazi, and I'm not going to let you try and distract from it.
Can you cite the federal power that gives the federal government power over those concerns?
The power of guns! The fed-guv has more guns than I do! "Power flows from the barrel of a gun", said Mao Tse Dung-head, and it remains sadly true... And WAAAAY too many MARXISTS like YOU, Mammary-Fuhrer, will sign RIGHT up to that, and SING that song! Get 51% of the dog-pile to BARK-BARK-BARK mindlessly with you, and then GRAB that power! Never mind right and wrong, or long-term results... Just GRAB that power!
That's not a federal power that gives the federal government power over the concerns Jesse referred to, you old shill.
What a stupid fuck you are.
And so the QUEEN of the internet cesspools will keep RIGHT on mindlessly collecting more BARK-BARK-BARK-BARKS, and WOOF-WOOF-WOOF-WOOFS for Her Commanding Heights of the Uber-dog-pile!!!
Can ye NOT see the utter WASTES of yer efforts, mindless power-luster? Did yer egotistical efforts EVER find ye True Love, as in marriage? I suspect not! Yer PERFECTION and EGO gets in the way! Big-time!!!
Still no answer from either the pedophile or the psychopath.
New question, why won't you answer it?
What established right? Roe v Wade was a complex contorted, convoluted, craptastic affair of a decision that even Ruth Bader Ginsberg disagreed with.
You won the legal argument. Good for you, pal.
You took away a right from women with the cudgel of the court. Good for you - bad for Liberty.
You're no goddamn libertarian. You're just a fuckstick conservative lost on his way to Bratbitch.com.
Again, what right was taken away? Abortion fits under 10A and is best given to the states to handle as they see fit. Do you think the National Mandatory Speed Law should make a comeback as well? Where are your limits on the federal government, Buttmunch?
Women never had an absolute right dumbass. It was always balanced against fetal viability. So abortion was never an absolute right.
You keep misusing words dumbass.
"You keep misusing words"
Accidentally on-purpose.
He knows he'd sound like the monster he is if he didn't.
I bet you and all the rest of your democrat friends feel pretty fucking stupid now that you spent fifty years using it as a political wedge issue and never bothered to formally enact it into federal statute!
I would argue the original law was not on Google side. But as judges have expanded its scope to cover almost any active action by these companies as under the umbrella of 230, it has.
Intentional curating, intentional censorship, vague rules and clauses as part of contracts, inconsistent enforcement of contracts not allowed in other industries, working with the government, etc were not covered under the discussions around 230.
Korematsu is established precedent!
And Schenck. And Plessey. But to SPB, those reversals don't count.
This court treated stare decisis like every previous court. It’s a rule of thumb that gets ignored when a decision is egregiously in error. And this court felt that Roe was egregiously in error. It agreed with RGB.
...YouTube's algorithms aided the terrorist group ISIS by recommending ISIS videos to viewers.
Fuck, is that why I joined ISIS. Goddammit, YouTube.
Section 230 is one of those things (like smoking bans) that I believe benefit me but nonetheless trouble me on principle. Shielding companies from litigation denies claimants the possibility of finding relief in court from wrongs.
You say you joined ISIS, but I've never seen you at any of the meetings. Poser.
Maybe it was ISIL.
Sure it wasn't just IS?
Depends on the definition.
It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.
- William Jefferson Clinton answering questions about his attorney's description of an affidavit by Monica Lewinsky
If you have to explain the joke ...
As Corbin Barthold, internet policy counsel for TechFreedom, has observed, "recommending content to users is classic publisher behavior. It's what a newspaper does when it puts a story on page A1 instead of page D6. To hold a platform liable for how it presents user-generated content is to treat it as a publisher—exactly what Section 230 forbids."
The govt will treat them as T-Mobile for purposes of legal protection and the New York Times for the purposes of legal authority and this will continue as long as they silence who the government wants silenced.
Totes free minds and free markets.
Fuck you, Reason.
My crystal ball says that the SCROTUS will rule this way: Section 230 is the 1A of the internet, agrees with free speech, and is the law as passed by Congress. Butt we say otherwise! Because there are "special cases"...
"Special cases" are when, as now (soon to be in the future), the Trumpanzees have gone apeshit in front to the SCROTUS building, threatening to KILL the cops guarding said building!
‘Kill him with his own gun’
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709 also https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/28/michael-fanone-trump-gop-riots/
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!
SCROTUS = Trumpanzees gone apeshit phase II!!!
In lieu of any sort of Roundup this week as ENB has gotten lazy...
Men play-acting as women.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/transgender-guidelines-may-destroy-womens-sports-according-female-olympians
Ex-Olympians fear that, by clearing the path for biological males to infiltrate women’s categories further, the IOC could cause women’s sports to deteriorate and eventually die. Faced with seemingly unbeatable biological male competitors, fewer girls and women are likely to participate, drying up the talent pool.
I guess women are equal except some times when they aren’t.
Chemjeff and Shackford fume.
DeSantis Puts Sexually Explicit Christmas Drag Show on Notice
Officials in Florida are investigating a Dec. 26 Christmas-themed drag show in Ft. Lauderdale, where children were in attendance as performers simulated sex on stage, and which included an act called “Screwdolph the Red-Nippled Reindeer.”
One performer, Hansen reported, “paraded around with his ‘tits in a box’ and shook his buttocks for the crowd. At one point the Drag Queen said ‘are you reaching for my titties are you hungry’ to a child in the audience. Throughout the Drag Queen talking he had multiple people spank him.”
During the “Screwdolph the Red Nippled Reindeer” segment of the show, the performers “simulated sex countless times, sexualized a child’s story, including Santa, and had sexual videos playing in the background. When the host asked a child what his favorite part of the show is he replied ‘nothing.’”
In another segment, “men with kink harnesses grab their privates, grind, and simulate humping. The Drag Queen talked to a 9 year old named Major and then addressed the mother of the child. ‘You are such an awesome mom for bringing your kid out to a FAMILY FRIENDLY DRAG SHOW.’”
Over 20 children were in attendance at this show. These are the kinds of shows being marketed as ‘all ages’ and ‘family friendly.’ Activists try to spin these shows as being educational and important to LGBTQ rights.”
Activists like Shackford and Jeff.
Multiple videos of the event: https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603461787340480516
Yeah, but if you believe in teaching your kid to work hard you are also grooming them. - jeff
But I was assured that drag shows were neither sexually explicit, nor obscene.
I'm sure that Jeff and White Mike will be by shortly to insist that the kids are CG or something.
Shackford decided to defend them in another article.
Is stealing luggage a sport?
And, to be sure, the infiltration and destruction won't stop at women's sports. No one will watch second-rate trannie sports any more than watch the WNBA now, and the logic for inclusion/exclusion doesn't facilitate the selection of the best athlete, best male/female athlete, or best team, so there's no reason to assume the goal is to stop anywhere short of complete destruction of any/all sport.
Former Reason contributor Brendan O'Neill.
https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/why-the-censors-must-not-win/
Toby Young – founder and director of the Free Speech Union – returned to The Brendan O’Neill Show for this very special live podcast. Toby and Brendan took a look back on a year of state censorship, mob cancellation and digital unpersoning. Plus, they took questions from the audience.
Essentially shunning.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/12/28/the-great-unpersoning/
While we’d become accustomed to Facebook or YouTube deplatforming dissenters, this year we watched as the likes of PayPal and GoFundMe set about defunding them, too – and on a scale we hadn’t seen before. From the Canadian truckers to gender-critical academic Colin Wright to the UK Free Speech Union (FSU), a broad range of rebels were banned and deprived of their funds this year.
It's particularly stunning because 1. The people they're seizing the funds from are political protesters, 2. because the protesters haven't done anything illegal or even ethically wrong, and 3. the seizures were actually illegal.
Hopefully Musk and Theil bUiLd yUr oWn bAnKinG aND pAymeNt sYsTeM, and push their old creation out of business.
I have to disagree with your analysis. As you said, Google was engaging in "classic publisher behavior." Your contention is that you can't treat them like a publisher when they are acting as one. I believe you are incorrect. This removes their protection under 230. The intent was that neutral web resources could not be sued for things on their platform over which they had no control. When the sites start exercising editorial control, they should (and will) lose that protection.
Good rebuttal.
They get protection for doing nothing with the content, it is certainly not clear they should get protection for their algorithm promoting it.
I am a huge fan of Section 230 but I agree that it should not be interpreted as protecting promotion of content.
(The actual test case here is dumb. But it’s not the Supreme Court’s job to decide whether the specific lawsuit has merit.)
Courts don't rule on merit?
How else do they decide what cases they hear then?
How about protection of the free speech rights of those who write code? These are just algorithms, written by software writers. WHY should they have LESS protection for their codes, than you and I have to make comments?
Brandybuck had some good comments a while ago…
My only criticism of social media algorithms is that it leads to bubbles. But that’s me, everyone else LIKES the bubbles. The complaints aren’t about bubbles, but that other bubbles exist. People don’t like that there isn’t a person in charge they can write to demanding their views be given priority. Conservatives are mad that progressives aren’t seeing their posts, and progressives are mad that conservatives aren’t being fed their lies.
Or you have conservatives angry that some progressive posts are making it through their bubble, but the algorithm sees that these folk like arguing back against the progressives. Or you have progressives angry that some conservative posts are making it through their bubble, but the algorithm sees that these folk like arguing back against the conservatives. But they are getting what they want. Stop responding to posts you don’t like. Stop forwarding their crap along. All that does is tell the algorithm that you like that stuff.
Revealed preferences. Angry people want stuff to be angry about, and the algorithm will accommodate them. They want to be validated that progressives are destroying the country, so they get fed validation. Ditto for those certain that conservatives are promoted fake news, they get fed the fake news that validates them.
The problem isn’t that there are algorithms designed to deliver personalized content, the problem is that people just haven’t learned to live with impartially personalized content. They spent their lives with curated content from people in news departments, or political leaders telling them how to think, or some other human being with a bias curating biased content just for them.
Note that I am NOT claiming that the algorithm is perfect. Not at all. I am merely claiming that it’s doing what it was ostensibly designed to do: deliver personalized content based on the user’s demonstrated preferences. I would tune it differently, but the idea that it was designed to be “progressive” or “conservative” is utter bullshit. The algorithm is agnostic.
SQRLSY One EXCELLENT mini-essay there Brandybuck!!! People want contradictory things (incompatible with one another).
I for one, want to be the Catholic Pope, AND a famous porn star!
Bob Seger, He wants to live like a sailor at sea…
He wants his home and security
He wants to live like a sailor at sea
Beautiful loser, where you gonna fall?
You realize you just can’t have it all…
Hmm, I know that a lot of people frame the issue as whether social media sites should being using algorithms. Of course, people who know about algorithms know that it’s all algorithms. Even chronological order is an algorithm.
If I were ruling in the matter, I would clearly state that use of algorithms is irrelevant and what matters is if there was any promotion of user-provided content, regardless of whether it was automated or manual or a mix.
But I might also attach some conditional adjectives to “promotion”, which as it has to be “intentional” or “unusual” or “targeted” — would have to think deeply about that part.
Being a programmer myself, I want programmers to be shielded and think any ruling should explicitly apply to owner’s or manager’s decisions about how a site does promotion.
Regardless, like I said, the original case here is dumb. If you join ISIS, that’s on you, and “you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow”.
“you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow”.
My cat, sadly recently deceased in the last few months, was named Chairman Meow. I miss him, now that I can no longer "make it" (pet the poor kitty) with him, anyhow.
Jimmy Morrison and the Doors sang "Poor Otis, dead and gone, left me here to sing his song..." And sure enough, years ago I also had a puddly-tat named Otis! I miss him as well! I guess that I am a crazy old cat man now!
Chairman Meow... = https://www.ebay.com/itm/115598229524?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1CWiwdzCyQz-rtuvIX1BJXw26&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=115598229524&targetid=1584739239494&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=9027638&poi=&campaignid=15275224983&mkgroupid=131097072938&rlsatarget=pla-1584739239494&abcId=9300697&merchantid=118859885
I applaud your taste in cat names.
I'm embarrassed to say our cat just has the lame name she had when we got her from the pound.
"Buttercream" is the only recent cat-name that I gave, that actually stuck. (Our cats adopt us by wandering into the neighborhood, generally). I named one "Socks the Silly Savage, who Lives by the Sea", "Silly Socks" for short. My wife promptly re-named her "Little Bit".
The coders aren’t at issue. The web site is, because it creates the user requirements for the code. If the WSJ in 1940 printed a libelous piece, the WSJ would have been liable. A defense isn’t that the typsesetters have free speech rights.
What if the "libelous piece" was a guest editorial or a letter to the editor? It seems to me, that this shows that we need... A "Section 230" for hard-copy rags!
Sooo… Your “fix” to all of this is to punish “publishers” (web sites) for the content generated by OTHER people? Those who post?
SOME people here have argued that, since there has been at least one (several?) case(s) of hardcopy rags (newspapers) sued FOR THE WRITINGS OF OTHERS, namely letter-to-the-editor writers (it was all well and good to authoritarians that SOME people got punished for the writings of OTHER people), then the proper fix MUST be to perpetrate / perpetuate this obvious injustice right on over to the internet domain!
This is like arguing that the “fix” for a cop strangling to death, a black man (Eric Garner) on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies” is, not to STOP the injustice, but rather, to go and find some White and Hispanic and Asian men as well, and strangle them, as well, on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies”! THAT will make it all “fair”!
NY Times (NYT) can be punished for what someone ELSE wrote in a letter-to-the-editor in their hardcopy rag! An injustice, to be “fixed” by punishing Facebook for the same kind of offenses! Hey: Tear down Section 230 to “fix” this? Or REALLY fix it by adding a “Section 230 for hardcopy rags”?
In 1850, I imagine that perhaps some people in the USA were saying it isn’t fair that white folks hold black folks as slaves. Let’s “fix” it by having a bunch of black folks hold white slaves, too!
What kind of EVIL person fixes injustice by widening the spread of more injustice of the same kind? HOW does this “fix” ANYTHING?!?!
Stealing this. Very concise.
Maybe the boosters aren't so good after all.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-and-moderna-better-get-clarified-study-finds-worse-antibodies
A new peer-reviewed study is raising concerns that a third dose of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may actually worsen immune response against COVID-19, creating waves in both mainstream and heterodox COVID circles.
100% safe and effective with no downsides!
Was about to post this. Makes you more likely to catch it and extend the illness. And at only 40 bucks a shot! Sign me up.
Way better than losing weight, vitamin d, and natural immunity.
Exercise is white supremacy now
That explains all the skinny people in trailer parks.
He's not kidding: The White Supremacist Origins of Exercise -
https://twitter.com/TIMEHistory/status/1608070633451130880
Wife got booster. I did not. She got COVID again. I did not. Pure anecdote.
Another anecdote: My wife and I got OG covid before the “vaccines”. Never got vaxed. Everyone else in my family got vaccinated, and they’ve all gotten it since. I was likely exposed to it several times through them and never got it again.
second all this. ^^
Another anecdote: No vaxx. No symptoms. No COVID. More firsthand, prolonged contact, indoor, no mask, exposures than I can reasonably count. And I mean ‘reasonably’ in the literal sense, as in, “I’m unable to reason whether someone who’s unvaccinated and multiply antigen test negative, PCR-positive counts as an exposure or not.” and “I’m unable to reason whether someone who’s positive both times within a week of getting their primaries counts as an exposure.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
(End subtitles and excerpts).
See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
Good luck, and may the odds be ever in your favor.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/28/mega-millions-jackpot-soars-to-640-million/
This is only the sixth time the lottery has surged past $600 million in its 20-year history, Mega Millions said. The last time a player won more than $600 million is when a unanimous partnership in Illinois clinched $1.337 billion on July 29.
Your odds of winning are only slightly worse if you don’t buy a ticket.
What if you buy 2??
"What if you buy 2??"
Then the odds are twice as bad. Simple logic ....
Hochul's got a lot of explaining to do.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/28/kathy-hochuls-fatal-slow-to-act-error-in-buffalo-winter-storm/
Yet inexplicably, in this storm, despite days of forecasters’ warnings, Hochul failed to issue a broad regional travel ban ahead of the blizzard.
On the 22nd, the day before the snowfall, she announced a ban on only commercial vehicles on the Thruway, and other limited closures.
How about we make it so any moderation, um, “recommended” by anyone connected to the government in any way doesn’t qualify for good faith moderation.
Or are we already to the “that’s old news move on” stage, Reason?
NYC Mayor Eric Adams: “Big Brother is protecting you”
https://reclaimthenet.org/nyc-mayor-eric-adams-big-brother-is-protecting-you/
“It blows my mind how much we have not embraced technology, and part of that is because many of our electeds are afraid. Anything technology they think, ‘Oh it’s a boogeyman. It’s Big Brother watching you’. No, Big Brother is protecting you;” Adams shared his frame of mind with Politico.
My god.
I hope he has no knowledge of 1984, otherwise, yikes.
Killing the golden goose.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/28/progressives-are-driving-away-residents-millionaires/
And the loss of wealthier New Yorkers, in particular, means big trouble ahead for the economy and the state’s (and city’s) fiscal future. These are people, remember, who own and run the companies that provide jobs and investments to help the state grow. And New York depends on their tax revenue to cover the cost of all the things progressives demand: In 2020, the top 1% of earners paid 46% of all income tax in the state.
Illinois and California are in the same boat. Gee, I wonder why...
Every time. Cali and New York would build a wall if they could.
" Cali and New York would build a wall if they could."
That might actually be a good thing, speaking as an ex-Californian.
True but I gotta get out first before the Cali Wall goes up..
^THIS!!!!
Just wait, the Democrat-dominated Illinois Supreme Court will fix it.
https://abc7chicago.com/illinois-safe-t-act-safe-t-lawsuit-safety-cash-bail/12626684/
"Specifically what this judge is saying is that judges, the judiciary, has the inherent power to make decisions about pre-trial release and bail, and, in this case, the legislature inappropriately took that away from the judiciary, so they found it was a violation of separation of powers," Soffer said.
#FuckJBPritzker
TikTok isn't just working for the CCP.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/greenwald-claims-tiktok-censored-video-criticizing-zelensky-coverage-behalf-us-govt-china
Greenwald paired his tweet thread with an article he wrote about the incident. His article appeared to theorize that TikTok had censored his video for noting that major media platforms had radically changed their coverage of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy from negative to positive after Russia invaded.
Fauci fanbois super slack channel.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/28/elon-musk-says-ex-twitter-employees-ran-fauci-fan-club-slack-channel/
“Despite these glaring issues, Twitter nonetheless had an internal Slack channel unironically called ‘Fauci Fan Club’,” Musk tweeted late Tuesday. He did not elaborate as to how many employees participated in the Slack channel.
Mike is pissed off at this news. That he wasn't invited in.
That would be @MikeLaursen2 on Twitter. He follows ENB around like a little puppy.
He's probably a Fed to be honest.
I think sometimes that he might actually be her husband.
Both Republicans and Democrats have taken aim at Section 230 in recent years, claiming that the provision unfairly advantages big tech.
In other news, politicians are older than ever in history and have just figured out (aka were told how it works by their greatgrandchildren - even as they eyes glazed over) how to compose an 'email' thing on their 'smartphone' thing.
I'm sure you know as much on this topic as you did on Covid and vaccines. Trust the companies over everyone else. Even when government is involved.
Honestly, fuck Google, and fuck every Reason libertarian who believes that a "private" company which colludes with the federal government is deserving of my sympathy. These people cling to the delusion that business regulations are the equivalent of authoritarian edicts, as though the events of the last three years never even occurred. (Meanwhile, Reason has no problem promoting Jared Polis, the faggy piece of garbage who supports taxpayer-funded abortions and the filing of lawsuits against small-town Christian bakers. But Ron DeSantis? No, sir! He's mean to Disney!)
Any tech company that behaves like a publisher and censors people for political reasons ought to lose the protections that are afforded to platforms. Unless you believe that the telephone companies should be allowed to ban anybody to the left of Nancy Pelosi from using their services, then I really don't care what happens to Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, or Twitter.
Companies should be allowed to ban anyone they please. It’s their First Amendment right.
Otherwise, the laws would be compelling the companies to host speech they disapprove of
at the companies’ expense.
If they're acting as common carriers, no, they do not have that right. Twitter, Facebook, Google, et.al. are acting more as common carriers.
Nobody gave a shit about Section 230 until the last election.
https://reason.com/2011/11/01/tmi-nation/
Here's a Section 230 article from 2011 that you commented on.
That wasn’t me. I’d never say wee-wee. Must have been Tulpa.
Edit: Yeah, after reading more of the comments that definitely wasn't me. It was an impersonator.
By the way, has ML linked to that thread where muting 'sarcasmic' mutes other handles but not this one? He was so excited when he initially posted it to me thinking he had a gotcha, but then he mysteriously forgot it ever happened when he discovered that he had proof that someone was impersonating me. He really is one of the most despicable excuses for a human being I've ever interacted with in my entire life.
You were hacked. And the comments there prove people gave a shit prior to last election. So your assertion was not only bald but wrong.
Tulpa?
sarcasmic 11 years ago
I wish my name was Anthony Weiner
That is who I truly with to be
cause if my name was Anthony Weiner
everyone would see my great physique
oh everyone would see by great wee-wee
everyone would know would know all about me
Admittedly, that is kinda funny.
I wish I could take credit, but I'd never say wee-wee.
Definitely not Tulpa. Sarc is just lying again.
"By the way, has ML linked to that thread where muting ‘sarcasmic’ mutes other handles but not this one?"
Yes, I've seen it posted many times. Once you put up a post claiming otherwise below all his links. It was funny.
It’s amazing that when confronted with the undeniable proof that you were socking you continue to just deny reality and throw it back on the guy who humiliated you so thoroughly and severely. That thread demonstrated the exact opposite of what you claim. Muting you muted all of your socks. You got busted. And that’s not even including the half a dozen times when you forgot which tab you were posting from in a drunken stupor and posted all of your Sqrsly copypasta from your sarcasmic handle.
You really are the 2nd biggest piece of shit here besides shreek and he only beats you because he literally posted illegal child pornography. You certainly consume child pornography and have defended the child pornography poster, but you manage to just barely be less scummy since you never went so far as to post child pornography yourself. You are a piece of shit liar. You lie about things you’ve said even within the same thread. All of which wouldn’t be so bad, except that you then project your own faults onto others and accuse them of what you are doing.
Lol. Sarcs memory length of a goldfish bites him again.
Being a self-confessed hopeless alcoholic and drug addict will do that.
In that very article,
In part, what worries Solove and other observers of the online world is how easily the Internet allows individuals to publish false and defamatory claims about others. "So far," Reputation.com co-founder Michael Fertik explains in his 2010 book Wild West 2.0, "U.S. courts have held that [Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996] completely exempts websites from liability for the actions of their users—including defamation and other torts against private individuals."
What about cakes?
If you can't comprehend the distinction between a Christian baker and some Stalinist tranny in Silicon Valley who works for Twitter, then you're even dumber than your average Reason commenter.
It's almost as though libertarians want to make the creation of a more libertarian world more difficult. If we make it easier for people to communicate on Twitter but we tread on the rights of Silicon Valley leftists who support the DNC, then that makes us the bad guys!
Lolwut
“make it easier for people to communicate on Twitter”
So force a private company to spend its money to host speech it disagrees with.
What speech is the company promoting?
We ALL need to be more like Parler! Parler censors liberals, techdirt, https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/29/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like/ ... OMG!!! Government Almighty must SAVE us all from this CENSORSHIT!!!! Government Almighty moderators would be SOOOO much better at PROTECTING us all, than private web site owners could EVER be!!!
Or lunch counters?
Ah, you may be thinking, “Gotcha!”
But I’m a libertarian, not a liberal. I think it is wrong to force a baker to put speech they don’t agree with on a cake.
Cite on second sentence?
You were pretty butt hurt when truth social didn’t let you in.
Notice how Episiarch carefully worded this. See, he thinks it's wrong to force a baker to put speech they don't agree with on a cake. But you see, two male figurines on the top of a wedding cake that took 10 hours to create isn't speech! Forcing the baker to serve customers he doesn't want to serve is fine by Episiarch just so long as they don't tell the baker to write "I love buttfucking" in buttercream frosting. That's how Episiarch can rationalize to himself supporting the state of Colorado against Jack Phillips, the state of Washington against Barronelle Stutzman, the state of Arizona against Elaine Huguenin, Joanna Duka and Breanna Koski, and quite literally every other antidiscrimination case brought against religious people who do not wish to have a business association with faggots. Isn't Episiarch just so clever?
"Companies should be allowed to ban anyone they please. It’s their First Amendment right."
That's dumb. Of course, people like you inhabit a make-believe world where Twitter isn't an arm of the FBI.
No, seriously. Until it becomes legal for small businesses to ban people on the basis of race, nobody should be bitching about the fact that tech companies are forced to host speech from right-wingers. But I'm willing to bet that you also support T-Mobile's right to deny service to people who use ethnic slurs over the phone.
They should have that right if they clearly define the rules in their ToS contracts. They do not do so.
There’s a lot to unpack in all the accusations you’ve just thrown at me.
To pick the first one, Twitter is demonstrably not an arm of the FBI. The Twitter Files themselves show that Twitter declined to follow the FBI’s suggested content bans in many cases. If they were “an arm of the FBI” their compliance would have been 100%.
The leftist narrative is alive.
They show the FBI paying Twitter, having a backdoor to Twitter, asking for location information of citizens, etc.
The FBI is not tasked with any of these things.
Plus, they didn’t comply 100% , so total freedom fighters.
I mean Venezuela and cuba never arrest 100% of the dissidents. So all good.
“But I’m willing to bet that you also support T-Mobile’s right to deny service to people who use ethnic slurs over the phone.”
As I have said here before, I would be open to their being common carrier type laws for, say, the ISP or hosting layer of the Internet. But for a social site, no, that is going too far.
No, you only want the social sites to have common carrier protections, not common carrier responsibilities.
He is pro censorship. Look at how much he is complaining about commenter here.
Hey Episiarch, remember when you spent 6 months shilling your members-only Quora on here? Lol. What if Quora took away your sekret klub?
But the government should not be allowed to conspire with them, while staffed with former FBI and CIA operatives, on who to ban from speaking out against the government.
This is so obvious and correct that I just assume you are a fed for even trying to defend this.
And “former” is probably not exactly accurate.
Active reserve? That’s what “retired “ Chekisti (KGB agents) are.
Companies should be allowed to ban anyone they please. It’s their First Amendment right.
Not a single leftist believes this about any company doing any thing.
They are absolutely using your own values against you when they make this argument.
Companies should be allowed to ban anyone they please.
That is fair enough. But, as a "huge fan of Section 230", you're going well beyond that. You're saying they should have legal immunity that other companies don't get while enjoying that right to ban whoever they please. You don't get to the play the "I'm more libertarian than thou" card while you're declaring yourself a huge fan of the extension of government privilege. It's hypocritical.
Paybacks are a bitch.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/top-dems-on-hook-as-new-ftx-boss-vows-to-claw-back-crypto-exchanges-donations
Disgraced FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried, who is facing charges that could put him behind bars for life, was the Democrats’ second-biggest donor in the 2022 election cycle, dropping $40 million on their campaigns. New FTX boss John Jay Ray III, who successfully clawed back millions of dollars for victims of the early 2000s Enron collapse, signaled he will go after the funds in his effort to make FTX victims whole.
Given that the DNC spent Sam's donations to buy votes, if they can't surrender the cash will they return the votes?
I'd love to see the DNC have to declare bankruptcy over it.
They are already morally bankrupt.
Not enough to significantly alter the outcome.
Traditional First Amendment law already holds that a distributor (in the original case, a bookstore) is not to be held to the liability standard of a publisher for distributed content.
Section 230 then says that a computer information service shall not be treated as a publisher of the material it distributes for choosing to refuse to distribute material based on its content. (Which, actually, should have been entirely obvious moving the bookstore analogy forward, but a New York state court in the 1994 Prodigy case screwed that up, and Congress took legislative action rather than leaving it up to Federal courts to fix.)
It does not declare every computer information service provider is not to be held ordinarily liable as a distributor like a bookstore. That is a simple mistake made by federal courts that the Supreme Court should correct. If Google, et al., want the special and advanced protections of a common carrier, which are greater than those of distributors, they can apply to be considered such, and assume the concomitant responsibility of non-discrimination against all lawful traffic.
Nor does it declare that computer information services are not to be treated as a publisher when they act as publishers in manners not named by Section 230. That is the sort of nonsense that only a master of sophistic pseudoreasoning like Mr. Barthold could manage, in that parody of logic it was to the utter discredit of a magazine called Reason to publish two months ago.
Now, I think it's pretty obvious that any algorithmic promotion of ISIS content by Google failed to actually rise to the level of knowledge necessary, under Smith v. California (1959), to incur liability. But that's precisely because it isn't "classic publisher behavior". If it were "classic publisher behavior", as Mr.Barthold contends, Google would be its publisher, not just a distributor, and thus would be liable as a publisher.
" If Google, et al., want the special and advanced protections of a common carrier, which are greater than those of distributors, they can apply to be considered such, and assume the concomitant responsibility of non-discrimination against all lawful traffic."
"Publisher. Platform. Pick one." ... 'Cause Power Pig said so!
Your large and ugly punishment boner is showing!!! Be decent, and COVER UP, will ya?!?!?
If you want to love animals, pamper your pets. If you love to eat meat, eat meat. Pick one, ONLY one!
You either love animals, or you eat meat… You can NOT do both! All pet owners who eat meat? Their pets will be slaughtered and their pet-meat distributed to the poor! Because I and 51% of the voters said so! And because we are power pigs, and LOOOOOVE to punish people!
"Publisher. Platform. Pick one. When you exercise editorial control, you are a publisher."
I’ve heard this utter balderdash from an endless army of marching morons! Using the VERY simple principle of “speech is speech is also writing or any other method of idea conveyance”, then WHAT is “editorial control”? It is simply, picking and choosing what to repeat or report, and what to ignore!
Examples:
Der TrumpfenFuhrer goes on and on and ON AND ON for 2 hours, telling us all just HOW wonderful he is. In the middle of all this boredom, He says, “And voters should only be allow to vote “R”, and NOT for “D” or “L”, ‘cause ALL “D” and “L” votes are fraudulent!” … Now if the media reports ONLY the juicy excerpt from Der TrumpfenFuhrer’s endless blathering, they are clearly “editing”… So we can SUE them (the media) for quoting Der TrumpfenFuhrer said, right, right-wing wrong-nuts? Media LIED to us by omitting context!!!
Der BidenFuhrer goes on and on and ON AND ON for 5 hours, telling us all just HOW wonderful Hunter Biden’s artwork is. In the middle of all this boredom, He says, “And income taxes need to be set to 98% for EVERYONE!” … Now if the media reports ONLY the juicy excerpt from Der BidenFuhrer’s endless blathering, they are clearly “editing”… So we can SUE them (the media) for quoting (“out of context, edited”) what Der BidenFuhrer said, right, left-wing wrong-nuts?
Partisan POWER PIG bullshit all the way down!
Night is day, day is night, speech control is free speech, speech is violence, lack of speech is violence (“silence is violence”), and… Facebook is Government Almighty!!! Just ask MammaryBahnFuhrer! SHE will tell you ALL about “Facebook is Government Almighty!!!”
All the lies facilitate making the lies come true… After all, if “Facebook is Government Almighty” already, then why should we NOT subject Facebook to the whims of the votes of the crowds? And then the corner-store grocer is Government Almighty also, and so is my church, and so are my personal decisions on who to marry, what profession to take up, and… And EVERYTHING is ALREADY Government Almighty, so it MUST be treated as such!
Silly me, unmuting you for a moment to see how you "replied" to me. You really don't have any fucking idea what I actually wrote, do you?
I just explained that exercising control over carriage of third-party material based on content is not the same thing as acting as a publisher, as demonstrated by more than sixty years of First Amendment precedent, and you respond under the insane fucking delusion that I demanded “Publisher. Platform. Pick one."
I mean, seriously. There's a fine libertarian argument that distributors in general are more liable for distributing libel and the like than they should be under the First Amendment, and thus that bookstores, newsstands, libraries, and the like have been improperly oppressed since the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporated the First against the states. But that isn't the current state of the law -- and it isn't what Congress actually enacted for computer information services with Section 230, either.
Exercising utterly normal control over distribution (such as any bookstore did in 1959 when it decided not to stock a particular title) is not the same thing as a publisher's exercising "editorial control", whether you're making that false conflation to try to hold the distributor liable as a publisher, or to argue, under a ridiculous misinterpretation of the text of Section 230, that a distributor is somehow not normally liable as a normal distributor.
Publishers, distributors, and common carriers are three different things, all well-established in law for over half a century, all with different rights and responsibilities. And computer information services serving third-party content, both under pre-Section 230 precedent properly applied, and under Section 230 as written, are distributors of third-party content, just like bookstores, newsstands, and libraries, with the exact same liability as bookstores, newsstands, and libraries.
There should be no government involvement with any tech media companies whatsoever. This is expressly forbidden by any sane interpretation of the consitution and SHOULD be expressly forbidden by statute.
This includes Section 230 which should be struck down, along with every other regulation in place dealing with online commerce and social media.
That's how you libertarian.
Section 230 protects free speech of web site owners, so it should be struck DOWN for limiting the powers of Government Almighty?
The entire block of the first 10 amendments ("bill of rights") to the USA cunts-tits-tuition ALSO limit the powers of Government Almighty, and so they, too, should be shot down! Now THAT'S how you authoritarian!
It shouldn't be needed because the government has no authority over published content online.
NONE.
Section 230 protects me from being TAKEN TO THE COURTS OF Government Almighty, for what OTHER people write on MY web site! Section 230 LIMITS the powers of Government Almighty, just like the Bill of Rights! Without Section 230, we're right back to being pushed and shoved around by thugs and gangsters, using... THE COURTS of Government Almighty!
A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!
In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!
Wow, just THINK of what we could do with this logic! Government Almighty is “protecting” you from getting sued in matters concerning who you chose to date or marry… In matters concerning what line of work you chose… What you eat and drink… What you read… What you think… Therefore, Government Almighty should be able to boss you around on ALL of these matters, and more! The only limits are the imaginations and power-lusts of politicians!
"It shouldn’t be needed because the government has no authority over published content online."
I agree! It SHOULDN'T be needed, if we all respected each others' free speech rights! Since we DON'T all respect free speech, and lust after taking people to courts for no good reasons, THAT is why we still need to keep Section 230! (Murder laws shouldn't be needed either, if we all loved one another.)
I fear that SCROTUS might get this wrong... Because it is a COURT, and presumably lusts for POWER for courts in general!
I just want to play fantasy sports and bitch about the government on this forum. are they coming for me yet?
Soon.
I just assume commenting on Reason puts you on a list.
Tor browser
#metoo but I'm regularly non-inflammatory & often don't make sense to the general public so I assume nobody at Flowers By Irene gets me either
Trunk bears are notorious FBI informants.
trunk bears is never not funny.
Nonsensical to assume that an open platform can facilitate free speech while remaining liable to what its users post. Just opens up the door to increased moderation and watered-down content that offends no one or even worse only gives the information that the powers to be deem to be "goodthink".
Good job MurphysLuck!!! Kudos!
Lucky then that we don't actually need "platforms". There are plenty of ways of having free speech and online discussions that do not require "platforms", prevent censorship, prevent data collection, and don't let social media spam you with ads.
We had those before Google, Facebook, and Twitter destroyed them. We can have them again.
I'm not sure what you mean by "platforms" but the platforms we had before Google, Facebook, and Twitter were definitely platforms, and definitely moderated content (and many spammed you with ads too)
They only prevented censorship and data collection insofar as the people who owned and operated them chose to prevent those things. Much like Google, Facebook, and Twitter choose not to today.
To many people ignore the second operative text of s230.
(2)Civil liability
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—
(A)any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or
(B)any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).
Butt... Butt... Butt what if I am a greedy bottom-scum-slurping LAWYER who seeks DEEP POCKETS to drain into my wallet? Joe Blow-Hard peon (who needs to be peed upon) who posts to FacePooo, or Reason.com... Said sad peon has NO money to speak of!!! Therefor, Section 230 MUST be peed upon, so that I can get my... $$$$MONEY!!!! S-230 must DIE, so that scum-sucking LAWYERS can get their $$$$MONEY!!!! ... And conservaturds will fall right in line with that... So long as they (think that they) can MAKE THE LIBERALS CRY!!!
(Meanwhile, lawyers and Government Almighty power pigs will make us ALL cry, after they tear down Section 230, which currently protects us!)
Facebook just restricted me for 29 days based on a Mussolini joke I made on one of my brother’s pics—NOT even REMOTELY pro-Mussolini. Seriously, fuck these douchebags!
"NOT even REMOTELY pro-Mussolini"
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