New Zealand Bans Cigarette Sales to Anyone Born After 2008. Forever.
The country's strategy ignores the failures of prohibition.

On Tuesday, the New Zealand parliament passed a law banning anyone born after December 31, 2008, from ever buying cigarettes.
The law is designed to permanently stamp out tobacco usage in the country by aging out current smokers. In 2040, for instance, 31-year-olds will still be prohibited from buying cigarettes, cigars, and similar products. If the law is still on the books in 2122, no living person in New Zealand will be legally allowed to purchase combustible tobacco.
However, the policy will fuel a black market for the products and create new vectors for state violence against individuals.
The law was designed to dramatically reduce smoking rates in the country—which are already at a historic low, with only 8 percent of adults smoking daily. The law will also reduce the number of retailers permitted to sell combustible tobacco products, from 6,000 to 600, and it mandates a reduced nicotine level in tobacco products. The legislation will not ban the sale of tobacco vape products.
"This bill will create generational change, and it will leave a legacy of better health for our youth," New Zealand Associate Health Minister Ayesha Verrall said on Tuesday. "Thousands of people will live longer, healthier lives, and the health system will be $5 billion better off from not needing to treat the illnesses caused by smoking."
This new legislation, which makes New Zealand only the second country in the world to ban tobacco sales, opens a troubling new front in the drug war—one where the prohibition of certain substances is said to safeguard future generations without much consideration given to examples of how prohibition has created negative externalities that outweigh the benefits of deterrence.
Cannabis, for example, is illegal and the fourth most used substance in New Zealand after caffeine, alcohol, and tobacco. If there's a large black market for cannabis, it stands to reason that a more popular substance will have a larger black market. "By forcing buyers and suppliers into illicit markets, they create crime where none previously existed," wrote Jason Grier in Reason this May, discussing the effects of possible cigarette prohibition in the United States. "Even if possession of tobacco products remains legal, many small-time dealers likely will be drawn to the illicit trade. That will expose them to harassment by cops, potentially violent confrontations, arrest, and incarceration."
The law will soon be rubber-stamped by New Zealand's Governor General, the country's representative of the British Sovereign.
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"'... That will expose them to harassment by cops, potentially violent confrontations, arrest, and incarceration."'
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It's New Zealand, everybody's already trapped in there with them.
And when Prohibition fails, they'll add poison to tobacco to kill smokers.
the health system will be $5 billion better off from not needing to treat the illnesses caused by smoking
How much worse off will it be from needing to treat more illnesses caused by old age?
Exactly people who smoke actually cost less money because they die early than ones who live to old age and require intensive care.
I dunno. My mother died at age 69 from lung cancer, but before that she wracked up hospital bills of a couple million, first from heart surgery and then for a year of cancer treatments
OTOh, my father who quit smoking lived to be 79, but died of colon cancer. His hospital bill was cheaper because they didn't catch it until like 3 days before he died and so didn't treat it (he went to the hospital thinking he had the flu)
The VA has really good statistical data on this effect. IceTrey is morbid but correct - smokers are a significantly smaller drain on aggregate health care resources than non-smokers.
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A little over a century ago, we adopted the 18th Amendment to stamp out the evil that was alcohol and it was a splendid success. Oh wait, I'm sorry... it failed miserably and was repealed by the 21st Amendment in 1933. Oh, but I'm sure New Zealand will get it right this time regarding tobacco. [/sarc]
And that was also a result of progressive hubris that they own the people and foolish belief that they can perfect humanity by force of law.
Actually on that rock they might make it stick,
especially if violation is life in prison.
How large do you anticipate that our prison industry will become? What drove the current legalization trend in the beginning was the realization that there was only a limited number of young people/college students that you could imprison with affecting the society as a whole.
If the "prison penalty" you envision entails incarceration for more than one year, by definition in most states, that's a felony. How many jobs in this country formally or informally exclude those with felony records?
You do get that New Zealand is not the USA and has somewhat different laws, right?
NZ also almost adopted prohibition at about the same time (1919). A vote was held and it passed, but then the votes from servicemen overseas in Europe and the Middle East arrived and was just enough to prevent full prohibition.
Instead we got the patronising "government alcohol sales" model and a thing called the "six o'clock swill" whereby bars/pubs had to close at 6:00pm resulting in a vast beer orgy at the local bars between 5:00 and 6:00pm followed by drunken patrons stumbling out to their cars and swerving home.
Some aspects of this drivel still exist today in the form of Alcohol Trusts that have a monopoly for some regions and sell a poor selection of overpriced booze from bottleshops and bars. All aimed at the lowest denominator patron aka The Bogan.
Aren't there any moonshiners and bootleggers in your Promised land?
Yes and there is this thing called the internet that lets me order from outside the Trust zone much to their annoyance.
How is the War on Drugs going in the USA?
It’s smashing….our civil rights!
Smoking is legal and has more users than pot that is illegal. People overwhelmingly think smoking is more harmful than pot. So making smokes illegal will probably bring down usage to less than pot usage and extend lives in the long run. Worth a shot, especially on an island where things have to be shipped in.
"Worth a shot"? I C wot U did there.
I think you are probably right that making smoking illegal would reduce it's use significantly. Unlike in the case of cannabis, most tobacco smokers want to quit (eventually) and see it as a bad and regrettable habit to have picked up.
I still say prohibition is morally unacceptable, whatever the utilitarian calculus is.
"...I still say prohibition is morally unacceptable, whatever the utilitarian calculus is."
You're too kind.
'Fuck off and die, slaver' is the proper response.
^^^THIS.
"People overwhelmingly think smoking is more harmful than pot."
Which shows just how gullible most people can be when adequately prepped with positive and negative PR campaigns.
If the medical uses for nicotine got the same PR as THC did, people would think cigarettes were healthfood. In reality they're both incredibly carcinogenic. People may smoke more cigarettes, but smoke from a joint gets held in the lungs far longer.
Edibles, hold my beer.
Plenty of ways around that, though. don’t hold it in as long. Or use a bong which cuts carcinogens. Or vape. Or edibles. It’s a pretty hard core chimney who’d smoke 10+ joints a day. They exist, but it’s not your typical smoker.
Now I’ll probably skew cancerous, because my dumb ass used to clam bake under a blanket constantly when I was a teeny bopper. Double dumbass because I actually thought I was being sneaky and hiding the smell from my parents…
I'd hold a lungfull for almost 30 seconds till the joint made it back to me. It was like smoking a whole cigarette with every puff.
It might be worth mentioning the correlations I’ve seen between the decline of smoking and the rise of suicide and mass shootings.
Now the correlation is rather subjective, but on the other hand, Nicotine is apparently recognized as an anti-depressant. Look it up yourself.
That should make anyone think about unintended consequences
Like America doesn't ship in everything from China?
***Worth a shot, especially on an island where things have to be shipped in.***
Yep, that's why we no longer have a meth problem. Because they banned the import of meth precursors. Yep no meth problem at all. [sticks fingers in ears and goes LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA]
You can smoke pot but not tobacco?
>>This bill will create generational change
ya many many fewer New Zealanders
Fewer New Zealanders, but more Old Zealanders?
Shocked Emma didn’t call for the US to allow all these nicotine free asylum seekers into the country.
This is because Jacinda Ardern is even more insane than Justin Trudeau.
She pushed a 2020 referendum on cannabis legalization, but don't you dare touch tobacco.
It's the definition of gaslighting. She's trying to make her constituents think they're going mad.
She didn't exactly push it, she refused to say which side of the referendum she was on. Mostly because polls said that more than 50.01% of the population was hesitant and the only thing she is good at is knowing which way the winds blow.
The result was that it narrowly failed to pass. I get great glee from taunting her sycophantic cultists that the US is more progressive on weed than she is.
Beautiful country inhabited by idiots.
Thanks pal...
There are always exceptions.
That's like judging the whole US based on the antics of its left coast denizens.
Here Here!
"Beautiful country inhabited by idiots."
Which one?
Run by authoritarians/ neo Marxists.
Nothing like a little authoritarianism with your breakfast.
(Fingertips-to-forehead)
I foresee a large black market.
Our local crim population are already on the case:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/man-jailed-for-two-years-for-role-in-smuggling-42-million-cigarettes-into-nz/SLWDUN3AR6V2T27MFWJTMETKSU/
Predictable...
And to think, it wasn't that many years ago that people touted New Zealand as an escape for the liberty minded.
You know who else wanted to ban tobacco products?
King James I of England?
Sultan Murad IV
Louis XIV
ISIS (until they realized it ruined their recruiting efforts)
Meh.
I mean, it's definitely an infringement on liberty, but they were sane enough to leave vapes legal. If they're smart enough to keep that up (I'm not taking bets), they should avoid most of the black market troubles.
I give it a year tops.
Yeah, vapes will soon be verboten too, if NZ doesn’t do it, I’m sure California will out-retard them.
Criminals will love this law more as the years go by. Illegal sales will be booming.
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Suddenly youngsters have a reason to keep in touch and be nice to their elders.
and
Australia, New Zealand etc. We are seeing more and more totalitarian "democracies". Seems humans are innately attracted to Big Brother. Maybe this is the long term problem with democracy at lest in its parlimentary form.
Damned pleased to have walked to school, hot-rodded cars, did remodeling on my own home, smoked (until quitting some 10 years back) and many other activities which will, seemingly, soon be declared illegal.
We had a POTUS who was pushing back on a lot of that, but since 'mean tweets' were considered more important than results we got droolin' Joe.
Hey, Emma! Who did you vote for?
A lot of people voted for Trump for this exact reason-to flip off the nannys. Problem is that the POTUS can’t really do anything to control the insanity like this that happens in the deep blue states, and spreads to “progressive” cities in purple or red states.
"A lot of people voted for Trump for this exact reason-to flip off the nannys. Problem is that the POTUS can’t really do anything to control the insanity like this that happens in the deep blue states, and spreads to “progressive” cities in purple or red states."
Trump did walk back quite a bit of this bullshit at the national level with sporadic congressional support, which is about all you can ask of a POTUS. And while he can't get Berkeley of Madison to act as adults, we could have gotten 4 more years of national push-back. Berkeley or Madison don't have an EPA to tie you up for years over a puddle.
"We had a POTUS who was pushing back on a lot of that"
No you didn't. Why do you believe absurd claims made by a proven liar? He said he did stuff, but he didn't actually do it. It was just a set of lies which could only fool idiots, so you're embarrassing yourself by continuing to push them.
Fuck off, Lying Prog.
"No you didn’t. Why do you believe absurd claims made by a proven liar?..."
Because he was far more honest than lying piles of lefty shit like you.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
That's the way it seems.
The USA has its Constitution to thank
for any freedoms we have left.
Nowhere in the Constitution does it guarantee a right to smoke or consume any other substance, eat donuts, have an abortion, or any other activity (other than bearing arms)
No but the Declaration of Independence does say something about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Furthermore the idea of liberty means exactly that I can if I wish, to smoke a cigar, eat a donut along with a shot of whiskey.
Don't forget Canada with Fidel Castro's bastard son at the helm.
Like a lot of places, New Zealand has been permanently ruined by all the hippies who moved there.
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As this is occurring in new Zealand, I'm not surprised one bit. Like Australia, both are becoming more authoritarian by the day. Xi Ping must obviously be very pleased at the results of dealing with the likes of Ardern and Morrison who are now busily whittling away at the freedom and liberty of their commoners.
Ardern would also like to force censorship on the rest of the world. The only thing missing here is a little brush mustache and an arm band with a swastika on it or maybe a hammer and sickle. The secret is out Jacinda Ardern wants to be dictator of the world. Look for her picture everywhere in the west.