Kanye's Suspension Shows Musk Twitter Might Look a Lot Like…Old Twitter
Plus: Freedom's Furies, SCOTUS to take up student loan forgiveness plan, and more...

Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, was suspended from Twitter yesterday after posting an image of a swastika inside the Star of David. Ye also defended Nazis and said he likes Hitler during a Thursday live chat with Infowars' Alex Jones.
Twitter CEO Elon Musk said the rapper was suspended because "he again violated our rule against incitement to violence."
That's…a stretch.
It's also another revealing moment in the debate about free speech on Twitter.
I think Ken "Popehat" White says it best: Musk is certainly free to kick off Ye—"just like [he] can boot ANYONE for any reason or none. He owns the platform. That's HIS free speech and free association." Any suggestion that he shouldn't be allowed to give Ye the boot or that this somehow infringes on the rapper's rights is silly. But the move makes even more laughable the idea that Musk is some sort of stalwart defender of free speech.
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1598562131582275585
By no reasonable definition was Ye "inciting violence," even if what he shared was really gross. Musk is doing here what so many people complained about Twitter doing in the pre-Musk days: uncomfortably shoving speech that is offensive, ugly, or otherwise undesired into a terms-of-service violation that doesn't really fit.
It's understandable why Twitter might not want to allow antisemitism, pro-Nazi content, or speech reflecting other forms of bigotry. I think there's value in letting people show who they really are and in fighting bad speech with more speech rather than bans. But advertisers and a lot of other folks feel differently.
Musk's move here is more in line with what mainstream observers seem to want with regard to content moderation on Twitter than with the free speech absolutism that both his critics and his supporters attribute to him. It's also unsurprising, given the realities and pressures of running a popular, ad-dependent social platform.
In reality, Musk has made many moves contrary to free speech absolutism since taking over Twitter.
Yes, Musk did say that former President Donald Trump could return to Twitter. And he ended a policy pertaining to COVID-19 misinformation. But he's also cracked down on parody accounts and said anyone doing parody must label it as such not only in their bio but in their Twitter handle. He's kicked off people for parodying him, and for a number of other questionable reasons. Now he's suspended Ye on a very broad reading of incitement to violence claims.
("If anyone can get inside his head, I'd love to hear it," Corbin Barthold of TechFreedom told The New York Times recently. "He seems to shift from free-speech absolutism until he decides he doesn't like something.")
People can argue over whether Musk's various moderation moves are reasonable for a major, mainstream social media site to make. But they are definitely not the moves of an unwavering defender of free speech. Rather, they reflect trade-offs between a commitment to free speech and to other values and concerns.
For all the billionaire's bravado about doing things differently, it turns out Musk's Twitter is…a lot like old Twitter.
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Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, was suspended from Twitter yesterday...
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President Joe Biden's student loan debt forgiveness plan will face Supreme Court review.
What do we think? 5-4 or 6-3?
Id bet 6-3, firm partisan vote
Yes, although you can't be sure that the Chief won't want to do some cheap virtue-signaling.
Screw it, I'm taking the over and going 7-2. I bet they convince Kagan to join the majority, and it's only Sotomayor and KBJ on the dissent.
8-1. Only Sotomayor will dissent.
10-12 if the Democrats can expedite court packing.
KJB is the biggest stalinist on the court. She will not dissent
BREAKING: The 11th Circui Court of Appeals has DISMISSED DOnald Trump's lawsuit over the FBI's Mar-a-Lago search.
Nothing is ever so breaking that you can't proofread your tweet.
"Tell us you have a hate erection for Trump in the form of a tweet"
ya I mean easy mistake if his hate-wood is blocking the T key
Another breathless top headline about Twitter and Musk.
The "I dont even care about Twitter, its done for, Im going to Mastadon" crowd certainly cant seem to get off Twitter for 15 seconds unless they are....writing another desperate article about Twitter.
This
Tell 'em to head north; they can't miss Canada.
No thanks, Sevo. We already have enough problems with cancerous left coast ideology.
https://twitter.com/baronitaigas/status/1598677057503830016?t=OmxJUcCLc0HDHSwWC7insg&s=19
People shilling Zelensky's terrorist government, a massive FTX money-laundering operation, trillions in medical fraud over the past 2 years, and corporate-endorsed child predators have no grounds to whine about a goofy webshow.
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https://twitter.com/AdrianNormanDC/status/1598500594842730496?t=qpSw3NH913lARvzq1lCNAA&s=19
The Pentagon lost track of another $2.1 trillion, the world’s 2nd largest food producing country is having 3,000 farms closed by their govt, they’re instituting vax passports & piloting a social credit system digital currency, but sure let’s keep Ye trending.
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Didn't it turn out this was the kid he was chasing the night before? Obviously not an attempted death sentence offense but the things they choose to hold their cops accountable for or not is extremely arbitrary.
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...a federal judge ordered sanctions against the attorneys of Kari Lake and Mark Finchem in their lawsuit against voting machines, hoping to deter 'similarly baseless suits in the future...
That judge knows a democracy in peril when he, she or it sees it.
And, outside of Filthadepthsia, it's never the voting machines.
That's HIS free speech and free association
But it was progressive fascism when old Twitter declined to promote a fake news nontroversy concerning dirty pics on Hunter Biden's Laptop.
Did you see the video of that one? Kid's stuffing his face with fast food and the cop blows him away. Chris Rock said if you run from the cops they'll open a can of whoopass when they catch you. Unless they catch you the next day. Then they open fire.
"Libertarians for FBI/govt bullying of private companies to hide unflattering stories for one party during a campaign"
Looking for more fun ways to admit you are just a flaming left winger?
You really don't believe Hunter's whoremongering would have made any difference in the 2020 election?
Hell, Donnie's whoremongering was entirely dismissed in 2016.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Trump fucked his blood niece and his brother’s widow, too?
Shrike’s trying to pretend that there’s no such thing as degrees. He's also trying to redirect the focus away from the pay to play emails and on to the sexual misconduct instead.
Don't forget - turd lies.
Aparrently, the leftist media outlets believed it, hence their convering for Biden.
I'm more interested in the influence peddling and clear ethical violations of Joe Biden selling access to their Chinese business partners during the time of his vice presidency, making millions in the process.
It's a clear-cut case of corruption, and the media had zero intellectual curiosity to investigate it.
fake news nontroversy concerning dirty pics on Hunter Biden’s Laptop.
Why are you pretending that the issue with the laptop was only dirty pictures and not the evidence of selling access and fraud?
There was no "evidence" of selling access and fraud.
A copy of the data was examined by a legit forensic team and found nothing. There were even files added to the data after the disk was found.
Now I know that Fox News liars SAY there was evidence - but they are paid to lie.
What the fuck are you trying to pull, nobody "disproved" the emails and said they weren't real, and no "legit forensic team" examined the drive and "found nothing" whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
In fact the opposite occurred and the FBI and almost every single newspaper now admit that the drive and the data is very real.
"but they are paid to lie"
No. YOU are paid to lie, you fifty-centing fuck, which is what you're doing here.
Idiot. Do I have to provide all the research here?
Three days after the email was sent, a draft agreement setting up Oneida was circulated. It shows each partner would receive 20 percent, including Jim Biden. No mention is made of Joe Biden. The company agreement signed on May 22, 2017, had the same allocation. Oneida was to hold 50 percent of another corporate entity called SinoHawk. Neither Gilliar nor James Biden responded to requests for comment.
The Wall Street Journal said that it had reviewed corporate records and found no role for Joe Biden. The Washington Post, in an extensive report on the CEFC dealings, also did not find evidence that Joe Biden personally benefited from or knew details about the transactions with CEFC. The Biden campaign at the time denied he had any role.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/dissecting-gop-claims-about-hunter-biden-deals-allegedly-involving-his-father/
Both they, and you, know exactly who the "Big Guy" in the emails is, but because Hunter doesn't say "Vice President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr." your going to pretend that there was no evidence it was Biden.
Everyone knows that article is obvious Democratic Party propaganda. It's not tricking anyone who reads beyond the headline.
Turd's a lying sack of shit.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/former-twitter-executive-who-censored-hunter-biden-laptop-story-admits-mistake
Yoel Roth, who resigned earlier this month in the wake of Elon Musk’s takeover as Twitter’s new chief executive, has been blamed for censoring a New York Post article about emails retrieved from a laptop once owned by Hunter Biden.
Those emails, according to the Post, showed a direct link then-presidential candidate Joe Biden had with his son’s dubious business dealings in China and Ukraine. Shortly after the story’s publication, Twitter not only prohibited users from sharing it, but also suspended the Post’s account for two weeks.
No responsible journalist would write that with no evidence.
Right. So-called "responsible" journalists ran with the Russiagate shit and pee tape crap without any evidence.
You're pathetic, Shrike.
"No responsible journalist would write that with no evidence."
You mean stuff like COVID came from a wetmarket, Masks work, Cuomo didn't kill old people, Trump colluded with Russia, Jan 06 was an insurrection, Transwoman are real women, Trump had a pee pee tape, George Floyd didn't overdose, 1619 is real history, Jussie Smollet was attacked, China travel ban was racist, Shokin was fired for corruption, Obama didn't build cages, Iran never got cash pallets, Voter ID is racist, Swalwell isn't compromised, Gain of Function wasn't funded, Hunter isn't incestuous, Double masking is best, A video caused Benghazi, Trump camp wasn't spied on, Hands up Don't Shoot happened, Bubba Wallace noose was real, Covington Catholic kid is racist, Trump will start WW3, Trump said drink bleach, Assange is a thief, Putin hacked VT electric grid, Trump threw out MLK, Jr bust, Kushner never got a Peace Deal, Trump banned Muslims, Mueller proved Trump-Cohen lie, Trump Jr had WikiLeaks access, Iraq had WMD'S, Russia hacked DNC, Steele Dossier is bulletproof, Seth Rich mugging went wrong, Bernie lost primary fair&square, Coyotes aren't carrying humans, Fast & Furious = conspiracy theory, 15 Days to Slow the Spread, MAGA rallies = super spreaders but not BLM riots, Kavanaugh is a drunk rapist and Blasey Ford was credible, Wildfires are because climate change, Gen Flynn is a traitor, Omar didn't marry her brother, Anita Hill story was true, Trump votes were whitelash, Trump called Nazis fine people, Trump tried to nuke a hurricane, Cops kill 1000s unarmed POC, IRS never targeted Tea Party, Joe never fingered Tara Reade, 17 Intel Agencies agree, Imran Awan did nothing wrong, No Las Vegas Shooter motive, Brexit was undemocratic, Racism is public health crisis, Trump said all Mexicans rapists, 5 people murdered at Capitol, No immunity via C19 infection, Trump tear gassed Lafayette Square, Hillary didn't hide any emails, Its illegal to view Wikileaks, Manafort visited Assange, China never paid Hunter, Pelosi's hair salon set her up, Feinstein's staffer wasn't CCP, Podesta emails were doctored, Omar didn't pay husband $2.8M, Clinton Foundation helped Haiti, The Asymptomatic spread C-19, Chauvin jury was impartial, Maxine Waters made no threat, Ed Buck was just a fundraiser, Schiff didn't leak classified info, Boulder shooter Alissa is white, Biden attended Delaware State, 2-Scoops was a Big deal, Brian Williams Heli was shot at, Hillary did land under sniper fire, Lauer's behavior was unknown, Joy Reid's blog was hacked, Solyndra did nothing wrong, Kaepernick unsigned because racism, Avenatti will be great President, Coal miners: learn to code, Uranium One wasn't a scandal, Carter Page was Russian asset, Burisma did nothing wrong, etc.
Most journalists are Democratic Party shills just like you, they just make more.
January 2022, eh?
The media was all over that 2 year old story.
There was no “evidence” of selling access and fraud.
There definitely is, and not just from fox but many other outlets as well as the FBI and witnesses like former business partners who say that the emails are real. I don't know why you're saying that there wasn't, and your "legit forensic team" sounds phony. Are you lying or do you really not know?
You consume more right wing media than every poster here combined, demfag.
He also thinks Bill Clinton was impeached for getting a blowjob.
He doesn't really, but one of Shrike's tricks is to try and make it all about sex and nothing else.
I don't know if Musk is going to be a free speech hero, but it's fun to watch.
And if he hadn't kicked off Kanye, how many people would be saying "see, it is a platform for Nazis"?
A majority of Republicans think the 2022 elections were "free and fair," according to a new poll.
I demand a poll recount.
The poll is wrong. Trafalgar group went into specifics and found the gop and independents mostly distruct the new elongated form of elections.
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/COSA-ElectionTrust-Full-Report-1123.pdf
Only democrats continue to have trust and it is just over 2/3rds.
I will never certify this poll.
A majority of Republicans find what the democrats do to be okee-dokee according to any poll.
Musk's move here is more in line with what mainstream observers seem to want with regard to content moderation on Twitter than with the free speech absolutism that both his critics and his supporters attribute to him
Which is clearly why so many people on the left are freaking out about Musk-because he represents the status quo.
"Libertarians": "Ha, Twitter is not REALLY pro free speech since they disallow Nazi symbology".
Nice hill to die on, "libertarians"
The cunt would have a point if she did spend the last 2 weeks screeding about how Twitter is awful now that Republicans are allowed on
Reason wouldn't have been within a thousand miles of that hill three months ago.
It's amazing the libertarian principles they discover when the enemy is a Democratic Party bogeyman.
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to prohibit these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/
Fascist, censorious, sockpuppeteer Sqrlsy accuse Damiskec of running socks? Talk about hypocrisy.
It figures that a fascist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer would defend one who calls for FORCING people to buy magazines!!!
Hey Perfect Power Pig Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer... HOW MANY people would YOU send to the Gulag (or kill) for disobeying YOUR Perfect Odors to BUY the RIGHT magazines?!?!
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
The only Perfect Power Pig Marxist here is the Sqrlsy troll that thinks first amendment-busting censorship by the federal government is a-okay.
Citation please, evil liar!
Any column about 230 and why it was okay for Twitter and Facebook to allow federal administration officials to flag posts for deleting and accounts for banning.
In "Any column about 230" you will find Perfect Power Pig Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer there, commenting on how killing S-230 will allow Perfect HER to pussy-grab the "enemy" by federalizing the private web sites (like they do in Inner Islamic Canuckististanistanistanistanistanistan, shit seems)... And the enemy (in Her Perfect So-Called "mind") will NEVER think of grabbing HER beaver-snatch right back!!!
(Already-Perfect Power Pigs NEVER learn! Karma has been revoked by the TrumptatorShit!)
See, Sqrlsy knows that the administration was using the Good Samaritan clause to set up a mechanism with Twitter and Facebook whereby the federal administration would flag posts and posters and the websites would automatically delete and ban them.
Why did ᛋᛋqrlsy endorse this first amendment violation? Because he's a Nazi.
Me? Like I have the capacity to actually keep multiple sign ins straight.
Projection is strong with him. Muted him a long time ago for a reason.
I think you dodged around using Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, in order to claim it was NOT you that made that utterly arrogant, stupid post of yours! You DID deny it once, that it was YOU who posted it! And your ego is SOOOO utterly GINORMOUS that you will NOT take back your bullshit! So I like to remind readers NOT to engage with you, because you will spout utterly fascist, clearly WRONG and even EVIL bullshit, and NEVER take it back!
Hey readers! Do NOT waste your time engaging with this arrogant piece of fascist trash! Its mind is already PERFECT in every way!!!
The only fascist trash here today are you and Shrike, you withered old troll.
Afraid of answering a simple question, Supremely Perfect Totalitarian?
Hey Perfect Power Pig Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer… HOW MANY people would YOU send to the Gulag (or kill) for disobeying YOUR Perfect Odors to BUY the RIGHT magazines?!?!
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
Also "Libertarians": If you aren't actively condemning bigotry in your platform, it is because you are racist.
Square those circles, people.
might be a step up from the "parents should be allowed to sexualize and castrate their children" hill
No doctor in the US will castrate anyone under 18.
You keep lying about that despite the hundreds of times it's happened to kids as young as 12 in the last five years.
Nice gaslighting, but as usual, you're full of excrement here. You've been told before, and there have been many links and news articles provided to you before regarding this.
well there is this statement, and then theres all the evidence that its a lie.
Remember all that "CRT isnt happening in schools" schtick you and Jeff played and no one believed?
This is that
Cite of a doctor performing a genital removal operation?
Cite of my ever joining in on any discussion of CRT?
This “you and Jeff” thing exists only in your head. I don’t even agree with chemjeff’s take on CRT.
Amazon will not cave to activist pressure and remove the book Hebrews to Negroes: Wake Up Black America...
And just like that, Bezos overtakes Musk for the lead.
Words and ideas are dangerous.
Sadness is murder.
I love how almost nobody bitching about Musk owning Twitter even blinks at Bezos owning the WaPo.
Of course not. Musk is letting back in all the evils of the world according to progressives. Bezos is promoting and protecting progressives while letting Democracy die within the darkness of the WaPo's pages.
"People who haven't met [Ron DeSantis] think he's a hot commodity. People who have met him aren't so sure,"
After all the Looney Tunes nutcases prominent recently in the GOP "boring" is definitely a positive attribute.
Citing Rick Wilson shows the seriousness of this piece.
Boring would be nice for a change.
People who haven't met [Ron DeSantis] think he's a hot commodity. People who have met him aren't so sure...
You might be surprised to learn that The Atlantic is attempting to sour the electorate on DeSantis, but I doubt it.
Every ENB column is an audition attempt for that magazine.
No wonder she's stuck here.
Boost Trump, secure re-election for Biden.
Then blame GOP for voting for Trump.
And we see another who doesn't understand the world he lives in, still trusting government integrity...
LMAO at comparing him to Beto.
"Check it out: So he's just like Beto Orourke...If Beto was well liked by his state, wasn't a low T little bitch, and actually completely crushed the opposition in elections instead of consistently losing...so like, the same thing!"
I've never met DeSantis, but I've heard he's a Nazi baby killing Satan-worshiper who raped his grandfather repeatedly when he was a teenager. He also once cheated on a spelling test in the third grade.
He also made crank calls in 5th grade.
My problem with Twitter is that it remains a highly centralized top-down social media site. It doesn't matter which billionaire controls it. It's still top-down centralization.
The solution is decentralization. Which Twitter does not have. Which Facebook does not have. Which Truthy Social does not have. And which Congress LOVES because he means they only have one pressure point to coerce.
What we need is a decentralized platform. The dream of the 1990s Internet. And I hate to choke it out, but Mastodon is one of those. Of course the proggies are NOT migrating to Mastodon. They're still on Twitter bitching about Twitter. I mean duh. Mastodon ain't perfect, but I think it starts to point in a different direction, and maybe we'll eventually get real decentralized social media. One can dream.
In the meantime, Musk is mortal, Musk is mortal, Musk is mortal.
Musk is having fun, it seems. I don't give a fuck about Twitter, so I say good for him even if he breaks it. What's the point in having billions of dollars in assets if you can't have some fun with it? If I had all the money in the world, I'd buy things I think are interesting and try to make them the way I think they should be too.
I agree. Read an article the other day about how social media with its centralized autocratic moderation has trained the younger generation to mostly *expect* that sort of treatment. And it translates to real life.
Years of lockdown and other COVID-19 control measures may mean fewer people got the virus, but they also mean less natural immunity...
The misinformation, it's spreading like wildfire!
The widow of a popular Kansas City-area musician has filed a lawsuit accusing Anthony Fauci and the National Institutes of Health of indirectly causing her husband's death from COVID-19 by funding coronavirus experimentation at a lab in China...
Luckily for Fauci and NIH she's fully boosted.
They most certainly did NOT fund COVID-19 experiments.
They funded grants that were then used to fund COVID-19 experiments.
that's TOTALLY DIFFERENT
/s for the autists
They were coronavirus experiments, not COVID-19 experiments.
Look at the pedantry fly. Mike knows that the accusation is that Covid-19 was lab born from covid experiments, but he's playing ignorant in the hopes that everyone else is.
That's quite the definitive statement.
I guess. Words matter.
By the way, if they had done “COVID-19 experiments” they would have actually been SARS-CoV-2 experiments.
Note how they leave out the most important detail: WHICH Kansas City?!?!
Were the railroad crews dressed in drag and dancing to "Camptown Ladies?" 😉
Popehat was always a warmongering, neocon sociopath with a big government fetish. Why is an ostensibly libertarian magazine treating his tweets as insights now?
Next up, what does Dick Cheney think? Maybe Reason can dig up some old Donald Rumsfeld quote?
Reason: known unknowns.
"Stanford investigated over allegations of bias against men"
[...]
"Federal officials are investigating allegations that Stanford University is biased against men, stemming from a Title IX complaint filed by two men’s rights activists who say that scholarships and programs dedicated to women create a hostile environment for male applicants..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stanford-investigated-over-allegations-of-bias-against-men/ar-AA14N84D
Herschel update:
John Cowan, a Republican who unsuccessfully ran in 2020 against Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, described the GOP mood as “honestly not good” in a text message.
“Not a lot of energy here for Walker,” Cowan said, adding: “Current turnout favors Democrats. We’ll see what next Tuesday looks like.”
As of Wednesday morning, early ballots cast by Democratic-aligned voters statewide outnumbered Republican-cast ballots by 21 percentage points — Democrats had only a 7-point advantage at this same point ahead of November’s Election Day, according to data from TargetSmart, a top Democratic data firm whose research Walker’s campaign didn’t dispute.
Tom Bonier, the CEO of TargetSmart, said part of the reason for Democrats’ relative advantage now is that large urban counties held early voting on the weekend, while Republican counties didn’t. But, he said, GOP turnout in Republican-heavy rural counties is also down by anywhere from 3 points to 1 point when compared to the November early vote.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/gop-worries-herschel-walkers-campaign-pleads-cash-rcna59732
Herschel will be a force in the GOP. He's got it all for a Republican - he beats up women, loves to shove guns at their temple, abandons children, sounds as stupid as a fork, and he can't count to 21 with his pants off.
Trump/Walker 2024!
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Democratic Party organ says Republican candidate doesn't have a chance. Quelle surprise!
Maybe you can post Salon or the WaPo's estimation of his chances too.
...a good op-ed from First Amendment lawyer Adam Sieff on the dangers of internet censorship.
502 Bad Gateway
I think they put turd in charge of the server this morning; we're all well aware of his general competence.
I blame the webathon.
And the 12YO server, renting at $3/mo.
Careful there, a 12 year old server is close to Turd's age range.
Too old.
You'll notice these 505 Bad Gateways didn't start until the Reason Webathon/Beg-A-Thon began.
Could this be Reason's way of saying: "Donate or I'll hold my breath"? Hmmm.,.
This always happens during their first web-a-thons.
Reason needs to feed the damn server hamsters once in a while. I suggest sending Jeffy, Shrike, and White Mike into their cage.
"Stanford investigated over allegations of bias against men"
[...]
"Federal officials are investigating allegations that Stanford University is biased against men, stemming from a Title IX complaint filed by two men’s rights activists who say that scholarships and programs dedicated to women create a hostile environment for male applicants
..."Arguing that “women are the overrepresented sex among college students nationwide,” and that women also dominate law schools, medical schools, and teaching jobs in the public school system, complainants Kursat Pekgoz, the CEO of a Turkish real estate company, and James Moore, a Stanford alumnus and emeritus professor at USC, are seeking a series of injunctive measures from the Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stanford-investigated-over-allegations-of-bias-against-men/ar-AA14N84D
I want to have Robin Meade's baby.
Same.
Clearly, nothing has changed at twitter. Since the last regime banned Trump, who is literally Hitler, banning someone posting swastikas is definitely the same.
I'm amused by the argument that Musk isn't a free speech stalwart because he's not a free speech absolutist.
NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!
But do not comment on the rampant departures from libertarian thought that, well, all of the writer save possibly Stossel here perform on a daily basis.
and dont forget, these same people are vehemently against the free speech 'true scotsman' and if he were to fall into this category, he would be labeled (even more) a bigot, hate-spewing white supremacist.
The lesson is that there is not an ability to win these people over. He has made more progress for EVs than anyone in history, and single handedly provided Ukraine with free internet in their time of need when their infrastructure would have had them in the dark. Its not any of his positions in particular, its that he is saying FU to the ruling elites.
Until he has made amends and said elites tell their tribal followers that "Its ok to like Elon/Tesla again", they will call for his head. They wont be satisfied until he bends the knee to them
They aren't people, they're npc clumps of cancer
++
"Non-Player Cancers"
Maybe we can get Elon to buy Reason.
It's probably what, less than 1% of the price of Twitter? Pocket change for someone like Musk.
I think you are missing that Elon Musk proclaimed himself a “free speech absolutist” just a couple of weeks ago.
Look at this piece of shit lipstick lesbian, trying to imply that there's basically no difference between banning someone for expressing Nazi sympathies, versus banning someone for question our official COVID response and how effective the "vaccines" really are..
Just when you think the fake libertarians of Reason can't get even more dishonest and scummy, here they are sinking to a new low.
Musk is now a Democratic Party enemy so he becomes Reason's enemy too. It really is that simple.
^ This
Yep. And it's so disgustingly obvious.
Did a lesbian peg your ass with a foot-long strap-on, Mikey?
Fuck off, pedophile.
US economy added a robust 263,000 jobs in November
By Alicia Wallace, CNN Business
Updated 9:24 AM EST, Fri December 2, 2022
ECONOMY CRASING! RUN FER YER LIVES!
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You know why Shrike left off the link folks?
Because while he loved the headline he hated the conclusion:
"Considering those updates, November’s monthly gain — which remains considerably above pre-pandemic monthly averages — is now the lowest total jobs added since April 2021."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/what-to-expect-from-fridays-jobs-report/ar-AA14P8in
Always read Shrike links, they're always actually refuting his narrative.
It's possible that turd might know that digging your way out of a hole some D dug for you =/= climbing a mountain, but he's such a lying pile of lefty shit that he'd never admit it.
Usually you only have to go 2 paragraphs before seeing his assertion from the link was wrong.
Turd's gotten lazy.
Suspension of James Bernard probably had more to do with his firing at point blank range and the target survived.
More money needed for training
“Ken “Popehat” White “That’s HIS free speech and free association.””
Oh, so the curated content and user base is HIS speech?
This seems at odds with Reason’s belligerent, half-baked obsession with the idea that Twitter and others like it should bear NO responsibility whatsoever for the content they distribute, that their censorship and editorial decisions are NEVER their speech for liability reasons, a la Section 230, regardless of the degree and types of censorship and editorial control they engage in.
Yes, but rocketmanbad.
"Freedom's Furies. A new book by Timothy Sandefur looks at the intellectual and political forces that shaped the thinking of Ayn Rand, Isabel Paterson, and Rose Wilder Lane and how these three women in turn shaped the U.S. liberty movement."
When I first scanned this, I thought it said Furries. That would be more interesting.
I was about to say: "Ayn, Isabel, Rose, we hardly knew ye!" 😉
LOL That’s what I thought too …then instantly I saw the three names and had a HUGE moment of dissonance! Three awesome books by three brilliant women though, all published (if I recall correctly) in 1943 —NOT a high tide year for individual liberty to put it mildly: The Fountainhead (Rand); The Discovery of Freedom (Wilder Lane) and God of The Machine (Patterson)
I'm wondering, with all the talk about book-burning lately, whether any of these works or other Libertarian books were ever censored by government?
We don't have this problem at Mastodon...
Nah, the progtards just ban each other there for the slightest infraction. It's like Lord of the Flies online.
"FREE MARKETS
President Joe Biden's student loan debt forgiveness plan will face Supreme Court review."
Is that "free markets" or "Free!" markets?
COMMENTARY: Hershel Walker: A Black man in blackface
His rallies are a minstrel show run amuck. Yet, he has come perilously close to the levers of national power. As the campaign comes to a close, the very people that the Walker campaign has intentionally omitted are “hunkering down” in one last goal line stance to help Georgia avert calamity. To be clear, Black Georgians are not rejecting conservative values when they oppose Walker. Georgia’s non-white voters in large numbers are rejecting the pomposity and mockery of a Black man from central casting who performs in blackface.
https://www.rockdalenewtoncitizen.com/news/commentary-hershel-walker-a-black-man-in-blackface/article_b5ebba3a-70c8-11ed-a209-c325c8fdc4bf.html
Blackface? Whoa !!! You can't go there.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
That's an incredibly racist article, Shrike. Your old Southern Democrat is peeking through.
So do you agree with the premise. Is Walker "blackface"?
It's not a Nazi symbol. Nazis were anti semites and didn't use the star of David.
It's the symbol of the Raelian Movement, UFO cult founded in France in the 1970s. The founder claimed to have seen the symbol emblazoned on the hull of a visiting UFO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism#Religious_symbol
The symbol has since been supplanted by a more Jew-friendly variant.
Sometimes, it's not the symbol itself, but what the person using the symbol is intending it to represent.
Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, was suspended from Twitter yesterday after posting an image of a swastika inside the Star of David. Ye also defended Nazis and said he likes Hitler during a Thursday live chat with Infowars' Alex Jones.
I actually saw that clip (and whoa was it weird AF as the kids say, but that's not QUITE how he put it. I'm not saying what he said was "defensible" but he made a meandering comment about Hitler not being all bad and something about goodness and humanity within everyone. Who knows exactly what he meant... but it certainly deserved some followup for clarification.
And this Nick Feuntes guy strikes me as a high schooler.
Right. He seemed to be shooting for the Christian and humanist philosophy. I find it revealing that the left will invoke this even for murderers but demonize someone associated with conservatism applying it. If they allowed their enemies the same rhetorical understanding they allow their allies they might have to win debates on merit. Since we can't allow that demonization and hatred are the left's mission.
Hell, Pelosi found a spark of divinity in MS-13 gangbangers.
Note how the standards shift to allow the left's preferred narrative to survive. Using a balanced analysis one the inescapable conclusion is that Musk's limitations on speech are far less restrictive and more appropriate. Plus he claims to be resisting the blatantly illegal government pressure. Anyone concerned about free speech should be pleased with the direction of this movement. We're moving from censoring legitimate medical and political opinions in a biased way, including factual events, to censoring the Nazi swastika. That's one hell of an improvement.
But the so called libertarians at Reason cannot accept this.
So instead they change the standard to perfection, an obviously impossible achievement. But this allows them to criticize those they oppose. Why do they prioritize demonizing Musk and those who recognize this improvement over championing a principle they claim to hold?
Note how Popehat has to devolve into accusations of fanboys. He has to falsely claim people on the right think of Musk as perfect because otherwise he has to admit their balanced analysis arrives at a different (and better) conclusion than he prefers. Once you learn to recognize this theme you see it everywhere. Without these double standards conservatism cannot be demonized. If instead the public were to return to balanced judgement the left fails on essentially every issue in modern politics. It's revealing people like ENB, Popehat, and many Reason commenters are so fearful of this they will publish ludicrous and self-discrediting analysis in a vain attempt to prevent it.
Since every thread on Reason is an 'OMG LOL TWITTER' thread, I'll repost this here:
Twitter Is More Like a Traveling Circus Than a Public Square It’s a private company. Its owner can do what he chooses, even if it seems crazy.
I’m… fascinated by the string of hot takes here at Reason. I’m going to try to summarize this as best I can, bear with me.
Twitter, along with almost every other Big Tech firm in Silicon Valley (ie, all of them) decided together, after significant threats and prodding from government officials and other non-profits started by google execs closely tied to the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton campaign, decided that by hiring a few dozen “baptized” experts could determine the absolute undisputed Truth of the Universe on any subject under the sun, moon and stars.
Reason shrugged and said, “Private companies” and mocked mercilessly anyone who stood up and said, “Um, hang on…” as being fascist anti-free speech haters of freedumb of associationists and totes unlibertarian. Now, someone who is a… ‘proto libertarian’ took the reins, someone who was skeptical of the Absolute Truth Vetting Regime it had put in place along with its mistakes-that-only-ever-went-in-one-direction systems of governance, and Reason tut-tuts, winces, laments that “well, it’s a private company” as they tick their ‘consistency’ checkbox, but winks, nudges assures us that this proto libertarian is “no free speech absolutist” and describes the whole situation as crazy, imploding, disastrous while giving us instructions on how to move on to *checks notes* Mastadon.
I would have thought that a libertarian magazine might have done this in exactly the reverse fashion… you know, starting in 2015-2016 saying “sure, it’s a private company and all (ignoring the dark and dystopian fascistic relationships between deep-state officials and the CEOs), called the whole Absolute Truth Vetting regime unworkable, silly and bound to cause the whole ecosystem to destabilize, and then celebrated a little bit when Musk showed up.
To get that coverage, I might direct my fellow commenters over to Spiked-Online.
Well, now we know where the libertarian interns are applying.
“Twitter, along with almost every other Big Tech firm in Silicon Valley (ie, all of them) decided together, after significant threats and prodding from government officials and other non-profits started by google execs closely tied to the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton campaign, decided that by hiring a few dozen “baptized” experts could determine the absolute undisputed Truth of the Universe on any subject under the sun, moon and stars.”
If they were trying to control all information, they utterly failed. For example, anyone who cared could find out all they wanted about Hunter’s laptop, from several sources.
“Reason Shrugged” <— Okay, now Ayn Rand is in a REAL fury!!
He's kicked off people for parodying him, and for a number of other questionable reasons. Now he's suspended Ye on a very broad reading of incitement to violence claims.
ENB being disingenuous again. Musk suspended those accounts not because of the parody but because they impersonated him and others against a long-standing Twitter policy.
"For all the billionaire's bravado about doing things differently, it turns out Musk's Twitter is…a lot like old Twitter."
So you and the blue checkmarks you follow have been shitting your pants over the past few weeks for nothing, then?
"Musk is certainly free to kick off Ye—"just like [he] can boot ANYONE for any reason or none. He owns the platform."
Well, only if you think the contractual terms of service are not a contract.
The ToU don’t prevent his suspending accounts.
VC's have been yapping on forever about network effects for social media. And that is what has prevented competition. But beyond a certain size there are no network effects for that because there are anti network effects for groups themselves.
"People who haven't met [Ron DeSantis] think he's a hot commodity. People who have met him aren't so sure," writes Mark Leibovich.
They keep trying SO hard. The desperation is palpable.
They've had an army of their best soldiers on the case for a year now, leaving no stone unturned and the best they've been able to come up with is that he once attended a wedding at DisneyWorld and some people think he's not much of a party guy.
Holy shit he's going to destroy the electoral college in 2024.
Nope.
We are going to keep him as our governor for as long as term limits allow, to protect us from the fascists.
Then he can try to save the rest of you if he wants to.
^correct
And if all else fails, FLexit
"They keep trying SO hard. The desperation is palpable."
So much, ^this.
Funny, you never see articles like this from ENB about any Dem POTUS candidates.
Magic 8 Ball voting machines point to NO.
>>Rather, they reflect trade-offs between a commitment to free speech and to other values and concerns.
ooh you got Elon now! force him to sell to Bankman-Fraud
Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, was suspended from Twitter yesterday after posting an image of a swastika inside the Star of David.
On the one hand, this kind of ban is par for the course for Twitter and all the woke blue-haired millenials in the Trust and Safety Team would have done the same if they still worked there.
On the other, gimme a break Elon. Dont be a pussy.
suspension over a symbol seems a very stupid move but I'm not a billionaire so ...
>>Kanye’s posts were “inciting violence” (which they weren’t, unless you make up a definition).
they weren't, but the SC made up the definition of inciting violence ... and it was bullshit that time too.
The EU screws the pooch yet again.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/eu-set-60-price-cap-russian-oil-kremlin-vows-ignore-cut-supply
The European Union reached a deal on Friday to cap Russian oil at $60 a barrel, paving the way for G7 nations to launch an 'unprecedented mechanism,' as the Wall Street Journal reports.
Russia, meanwhile, is looking for new buyers for its energy exports. According to Lavrov, they are courting nations such as Brazil, India, China, and South Africa (which together with Russia are the BRICS nations), along with allies such as Turkey.
They may be searching for buyers - but they are short of tankers (by a lot) and any shipping insurance will have that same cap
Citation regarding the tankers?
Reuters tankers news story
LOL guess who wants to buy oil in winter?
Everybody.
For the stupid Turds here, it's not the rig count.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/dallas-fed-survey-oil-executives-suggests-biden-holding-us-back
But one oil and gas support services firm executive suggested that President Joe Biden and his administration are against the energy industry.
“The administration is holding us back, with no love of oil,” the person said.
We also have an unconfirmed report that the sun may rise in the east tomorrow or the day after.
Five finger discounts abound.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/marauding-bands-looters-are-stealing-billions-dollars-worth-merchandise-america-descends
Three years ago, I bet that 99 percent of my readers had never heard of ORC. Of course by now almost everyone knows that ORC stands for “organized retail crime”, and it is prompting retailers to permanently shut down stores all over the nation.
I live in the PNW and with the exception of weekly groceries, i RARELY enter a retail store of any kind. Even Cabela's or REI might be once every few months.
I've witnessed 3 of these events in the last year. Not surprised.
I shit you not I just instacart it these days.
Sadly, it's a day in the life. I tell my customers only half-jokingly that soon the store will be like Mister Drucker's on Green Acres with Mister Drucker fetching everything for customers.
More to the Ye aka Kanye West Twitter suspension than ENB is willing to discuss.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/kanye-west-sent-back-twitter-jail-after-offensive-tweet
On Thursday evening, Ye tweeted an image of a swastika embedded with a star of David, which was immediately removed by Twitter police.
Hours before the rapper was booted off Twitter. Ye's deal to purchase Parler, the rightwing social media network, was terminated by the company. And before the Parler news, fully masked Ye appeared on Alex Jones' Infowars show and doubled down on antisemitic comments he made months ago.
In October, Ye was initially suspended from Twitter and Instagram for posting antisemitic messages.
It's a pattern from Ye. Interestingly, he's in the same antisemitic boat as Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan.
It’s a pattern from Ye. Interestingly, he’s in the same antisemitic boat as Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan.
Yes, which was repeatedly ignored or downplayed by the media.
But when it's a mentally ill rapper, we should all take it super seriously.
Well, Kanye didn't run for President as a Democrat.
Try, try again with things that have never, do not, and will never work.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/la-county-set-to-reinstate-indoor-mask-mandate-as-covid-surges/
Los Angeles County is set to reinstate indoor-mask mandates as local COVID-19 infections and related hospital admissions continue to surge.
Right at the start of winter?
WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS?
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/seasonality-in-pictures-part-ii
How safe are those subways again?
https://news.yahoo.com/nyc-subway-rider-beaten-called-164006389.html
Two New York City teenagers were charged with hate crime assault after they allegedly beat a subway passenger who refused to give up his seat and directed anti-Asian statements toward him, police said.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/nyc-subway-rider-slashed-in-face-in-unprovoked-attack/
According to police, a stranger walked up to a 49-year-old man sitting in the train car, pulled out a razor and slashed him across the face.
Even Cocaine Mitch can figure it out.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/01/mcconnell-blasts-new-house-dems-leader-hakeem-jeffries-as-election-denier/
“The newly elected incoming leader of House Democrats is a past election denier who basically said the 2016 election was ‘illegitimate’ and suggested that we had a ‘fake president,'” McConnell (R-Ky.) said. “He’s also mounted reckless attacks on our independent judiciary, and said that justices who he didn’t like have ‘zero legitimacy.'”
shocked he had room to say all that what with Nancy's dick a fixture in his mouth
Yesterday Washington DC officials announced a bill to make metro bus lines “free” to residents. As we know people should never be responsible for themselves, so it’s up to others to pay for them.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/rubio-slams-senate-failure-secure-paid-sick-leave-rail-workers-line-items-spreadsheet
"Congress should have sent everyone back to the negotiating table, but instead it told rail workers to suck it up and be grateful," Rubio said. "We should have worked to meet the demands of the workers instead of appeasing labor leaders and companies."
>>Ken "Popehat" White
repeatedly underwhelms. sure it's just me.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63838350
"I must be brutally honest with you, Europe isn't strong enough right now," she said. "We would be in trouble without the United States."
Plus ca change and all that.
Bill Clinton most hurt.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/asia/indonesia-criminal-code-sex-outside-marriage-scli-intl/index.html
Indonesia’s parliament is expected to pass a new criminal code this month that will penalize sex outside marriage with a punishment of up to one year in jail, officials have confirmed to Reuters.
The legislative overhaul will also ban insulting the president or state institutions and expressing any views counter to Indonesia’s state ideology. Cohabitation before marriage is also banned.
Actually, this is troubling for a number of reasons.
More on FTX and SBF.
https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/12/02/sam-bankman-frieds-self-incrimination-tour/
FTX and Alameda Research founder Sam Bankman-Fried has spent the week on what may be a genuinely unprecedented media tour, sitting for a series of extended interviews even in the face of his likely imminent arrest for criminal financial fraud.
the schadenfreude party is going to be a rager.
Hey, Reason, this is what a real libertarian publication does!
Justin Trudeau’s condemnations of the CCP’s Covid authoritarianism are a sick joke.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/12/02/the-brass-neck-of-the-western-lockdown-zealots/
To describe Trudeau as an unlikely defender of the right to protest would be the understatement of the year. This is a leader whose own crackdowns on protest broke new ground in the West when it came to Covid authoritarianism. His showdown with the Canadian truckers earlier this year was an especially shameful episode.
Reason won't attack their progressive comrade. Liberty! Except for icky conservatives that we don't like.
6-pointed star and swastika is an ancient combination in symbology, although not in that valknut version.
What, with a symbol like THAT as the lead-in pic, nothing at all from Herr Misek?
I know. It's strange, since he thinks that Jews and Nazis are symbiotically related.
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"Any suggestion that he shouldn't be allowed to give Ye the boot or that this somehow infringes on the rapper's rights is silly. " - a dispicable attitude and outlook on "rights". From anyone.