The Respect for Marriage Act Shows That Congress Can Still Do Its Job
Congress should not forget that they can legislate in response to Supreme Court rulings.

In the wake of the Supreme Court's West Virginia v. EPA decision in June, prominent commentators complained that Congress is too broken to solve major problems, and thus, the executive branch must take action—even if it's unlawful. The passage of the Respect for Marriage Act is an important reminder that Congress can still play its constitutionally assigned role of legislating in response to Supreme Court decisions.
West Virginia v. EPA held that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) lacked the statutory authority to enact the Clean Power Plan, a policy aimed at reducing U.S. emissions of global warming gasses. Several opinion pieces following the decision took no apparent issue with its statutory analysis but claimed that the Supreme Court nonetheless erred because Congress is no longer capable of taking on complex problems like climate change.
Memorably, labor lawyer Thomas Geoghegan argued for a "mild species of dictatorship" to address global warming. Richard Lazarus, a Harvard Law School professor, avoided explicitly calling for dictatorship but decried "the obvious reality that the current Congress is incapable" of enacting major legislation when it comes to environmental issues.
The Constitution vests legislative power solely in Congress, and for good reason. The executive branch may issue rules that fill in minor gaps inevitably left in legislation, but this minor role should not be interpreted to delegate legislative power to the executive branch.
Unfortunately, all too often, Congress has ducked its fundamental responsibilities by passing bills with open-ended grants of authority that unconstitutionally delegate legislative power to the executive branch. This is rarely, if ever, because Congress can't craft more detailed laws, but rather because it wants to avoid the difficult work and attendant political consequences of making hard decisions. In contrast, executive agencies have also been all too happy to discover unheralded powers granted to them in long-extant statutes in response to new problems. The related nondelegation and major questions doctrines exist to ensure that both legislative and executive branches stay in their constitutionally assigned lanes.
Geoghegan, Lazarus, and other critics of the nondelegation and major questions doctrines claim that judicial enforcement of these doctrines is a non-starter given what they perceive as Congress' fecklessness. Complex social problems can only be solved, they say, by the executive branch taking bold (if legally questionable) action.
The recent passage of the Respect for Marriage Act indicates that Congress remains capable of acting in response to Supreme Court decisions on controversial issues. The catalyst for this bill was a passage in Justice Clarence Thomas' Dobbs v. Jackson's Women Health Organization concurrence, suggesting that some of the Court's other substantive due process precedents should also be re-examined—including the Obergefell opinion that upheld a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. Although Dobbs' threat to Obergefell may well be overstated, the Respect for Marriage Act is an important indicator that Congress is able to legislate in response to Supreme Court rulings.
Same-sex marriage is politically popular, with Gallup finding that support for it rests at 71 percent in the United States. One lesson here may be that Congress will act to counter a Supreme Court ruling when such legislation is broadly popular—but not when it isn't. The failure of Clean Power Plan-like legislation to get through Congress may not reflect an institutional failure by Congress but instead a failure of persuasion by environmental advocates.
The Respect for Marriage Act also illustrates the merits of addressing social issues by a bipartisan, multimember Congress instead of executive agencies controlled by presidential appointees of one party. Rule making by executive appointees from one party tends to reflect an all-or-nothing approach to a given issue. When the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) reinterpreted Title VII to cover discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, for example, it took a more absolutist approach than had earlier bills proposed in Congress to address the same issue.
A bipartisan legislature is more likely to try to accommodate concerns from all perspectives. The Respect for Marriage Act, for example, primarily codifies the right to same-sex marriage, a cause more commonly associated with liberals and Democrats. But it also contains provisions intended to preserve religious liberty, a view more typically associated with conservatives and Republicans.
Infantilizing Congress has had pernicious effects on our constitutional system of powers. Whatever one's opinion of the merits of the Respect for Marriage Act, it should be hailed as a positive sign that Congress can reclaim its rightful place in our system of constitutionally limited and enumerated powers.
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Infantilizing Congress has had pernicious effects on our constitutional system of powers. Whatever one's opinion of the merits of the Respect for Marriage Act, it should be hailed as a positive sign that Congress can reclaim its rightful place in our system of constitutionally limited and enumerated powers.
Now point to the enumerated power in the Constitution that gives Congress the authority to define and regulate marriage.
"Now point to the enumerated power in the Constitution that gives Congress the authority to define and regulate marriage."
the part where we the people were dumb enough to let them tie anything to marriage. taxes, survivor benefits, next of kin, visitation, spousal privilege, etc....... the second we let marital status be a criteria for anything legal, we gave congress the ability to define marital status.
but, at the risk of pointing out just how little you understand what you are bitching about, this act does absolutely nothing at all to define marriage. it says that states must recognize marriages from other states that allow same sex marriages. this is a power congress very clearly has under the full faith and credit clause.
Do you know what an enumerated power is?
Congress has an enumerated power to regulate interstate commerce. I know very well that the definition of "interstate commerce" has been abused, and severely! In the "Booger Nose Running" v/s "Planet of the Gripes About Snotty Noses Regulators" case, for example, the SCROTUS ruled that since booger rags are traded across state boundaries, Congress DOES have the ENUMERATED power to tell us when, and when not, to blow our noses! (Hint: Never, EVER even THINK about blowing upon your obscenely large schnonker during the Sacred National Anthem!)
Well anyway, marriage gets all tangled up in divorce laws and inheritances, taxes, child care, visitation rights, and more. If you propose to roll ALL of that back, and get Government Almighty out of it ALL... WITHOUT replacing it with some sort of theocracy... Then GOOD LUCK to you! Till that day, MUCH of this DOES tangle with interstate monetary issues... With "trade".
the Constitution does NOT assign the power to "regulate" as in bury under tonnes of rules regulations, rstritions, etc trade amongst the several states. That old term they used means to make r3gular, as in to see to it that it functions properly. A watch that is correct two times each day is not "regular", nor is one that is almost never correct. The SCOTUS case known as Filburn, about 1934, is as out of line and wrong as is Kelo. Both invent powers within government that the Framers never forsaw, and about which they would either be fuming angry or laughing in utter derision.
Per th Interstate Commerce clause, Congress should act to prevent things like marriage with one party aged 14 from being declared illegal in another state and putting the older one in prison because the spouse is "underage". Any marriage valid in one state is valid in all.
but for Congress to do that th3y would ALSO have to enact into law the fact that any rifle lawfully possessed in one state must also b able to be lawfully possessed in any OTHER state. But they lack the stones to do that.
Or how about enact legislation forcing California to allow any vehicle lawful to be owned/operated in, say, Oklahoma, is also lawful to be owned/operated in their pweshiss state. Again, not gonna happen, but that is precisely the fiunction and intent of the Interstate Commerce Clause. Not to mention that California may not ban gas powered lawn mowers, chainsaws, generators, etc from import or use within California. Nor eggs that are not produced in facilities lacking the specific space requirements dreampt up by the California wackoes. They could prohibit egg producers from using facilites gummit don't favour WITHIN the stat, but not the import of eggs produced in Nevada or Arizona.
I suppose this clause would mandate that any marriage recognised by one state must be recognised by all, but this is about the only situation where such thinking is applied.
Mostly (but not all) sadly, what you say is too true! At least they got the marriages part right, IMHO...
that you even ask that question means that either you do not, or you are utterly clueless as to what is actually in the constitution. article IV..... full faith and credit clause.....
google something before making yourself look any stupider.
Article IV, Section 1: Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.
Yeah man!
that you even ask that question means that either you do not, or you are utterly clueless as to what is actually in the constitution. article IV….. full faith and credit clause…..
This a fundamentally incorrect and ass-backwards interpretation of Article IV. An interpretation so fundamentally stupid as to take a plainly-worded clause with clear historical intent and interpret it expansively against it's own wording, historical intent, and in contradiction to, not just other clauses, but whole amendments directly and multiple amendments indirectly.
Article IV doesn't grant Congress any power and has, since inception, allowed the FedGov to enforce judicial law across state borders. If you committed the crime of cattle rustling in New Mexico territory, and got picked up for petty theft in Ohio, Article IV allows the Executive to compel Ohio to negotiate between Ohio and New Mexico as to whether you should be jailed for theft in Ohio or hanged for cattle rustling in New Mexico. It cannot compel Ohio to execute you for cattle rustling, much less give Congress the power to legislate that all states will execute cattle rustlers. If your assertion were true, DOMA didn't violate full faith and credit.
Congress can pass laws. Even unConstitutional ones. The Judiciary can reverse them, compelling Congress to rewrite them. Article IV gives the judiciary the power to mediate between the States. Saying Article IV grants Congress the right to create law upends half or more of The Constitution, BOR, and even subsequent amendments in letter and spirit.
But, of course, being the Constitutional scholar you claim to be, you are aware of this and your assertion isn't made out of ignorance but out of an attempt to disinform people of their legal rights and limits on their own government(s).
bullshit, bull shit, bullshit.
i never claimed to be a scholar of any sort.... but you have certainly proven that you are a complete idiot who will wrap as much BS as you can around words you barely understand to try and pretend reality isn't real. the full faith and credit clause says that states must recognize the public acts, records and judicial proceedings of other states AND give congress the ability to write laws concerning how to reconcile those records.
maybe go put on a different sock and try again.
People who know what they're talking about don't reply with personal attacks.
i was responding to someone who replied with a personal attack...... and if this comment is directed at me, it also qualifies as a personal attack.
are you supporting my throwing the bullshit flag on them or are you an idiot?
Really? I see a post with adjectives describing your interpretation, not you.
so, you are an idiot. got it.
You know, it's kind of difficult to get me, Sarc, and mad.casual, ALL on the same side of an argument.
Just Sayin.
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" this is a power congress very clearly has under the full faith and credit clause"
Taken completely out of context... (manipulating the Constitution)
As the purpose is explained further...
A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
in other words.... you have no idea what you are talking about.
Keep trying. States can work with each other to resolve differences w/o the Federal bolsheviks getting involved. The Federal Govt has no authority to determine marriage, that is left to the States period. And let's be honest where this goes...MAP will be normalized, and we will be told we have to accept it or we are bigots..MAP flags and MAP pride days at our corporations and on and on.
Reason will find a way to rationalize a pedo marrying a 10 year old (along with sexual mutilation or chemical poisoning of the child).
What is MAP?
The same enumerated power that gives congress the right to dole out financial goodies based on marriage status.
You mean the Cliff Notes?
"Congress shall do everything necessary and proper to promote the general welfare and regulate commerce."
Unlimited power.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Marriage predates the nation, and the constitution arguably mandates that each State shall respect the individual rights of gay people to marry whomever they damned well please, so long as the State is in the business of recognizing marriages.
This law is a compromise that stops short of admitting this requirement.
There is no 'inherent' right to get a government status symbol.
Typical Democrats compulsively trying to turn rights into *entitlements*.
By rejecting a simple amendment allowing religious institutions to practice their beliefs? The law is a terrible law that is expected to allow government to go after religious people who disagree with gay marriage. It is the codification of a threat to bake the cake.
And Reason Editors are 100% on board with it. Bake that cake you bigot!
"By rejecting a simple amendment allowing religious institutions to practice their beliefs?"
That's an interesting way to describe a poison pill attempted by theocrats. Religious people aren't exceptional, nor are they immune from the laws that govern everyone else.
And since the bill got 61 votes, even in the toxic political environment of today, clearly most people think it wasn't relevant or necessary.
Gay marriage, like most cultural battles of the past, has been won by decent people. When push comes to shove, cultural conservatism will slways lose in America. We love freedom and liberty too much to allow yesterday's beliefs to damage today's citizens.
If you don't like equal protection under the law, there are plenty of authoritarian countries that you can move to. I'm sure someone would help you pack.
The equal protection angle justifies extending the same legal privileges to single people. At minimum it justifies civil unions for all couples who want one, or roommates for that matter. It doesn't justify expanding the definition of marriage to include homosexual partnerships. Social conservatives are upset about the redefinition of marriage, not the extension of certain legal protections to people in same-sex relationships.
If the limiting of marriage to a man and a woman is too restrictive, then so is the limiting of marriage to two people only. And unlike gay marriage, polygamy actually has historical precedent.
The definition of marriage is a legal definition. Limiting it to a man and a woman is not equal protection. Therefore limiting marriage to one man and one woman is unconstitutional. It's not that hard to understand.
If, on the other hand, you believe that the religious definition of marriage should be used, the First Amendment rejects that as unconstitutional as well.
Defining marriage as only between a man and a woman is antithetical to American values. America is not a theocratic nation. By design. Build a bridge and get over it.
"Social conservatives are upset about the redefinition of marriage"
Get over yourself. Someone else having a marriage you don't agree with doesn't impact you in the slightest. Your anger isn't more important than equal protection under the law.
"If the limiting of marriage to a man and a woman is too restrictive, then so is the limiting of marriage to two people only."
It is too restrictive and you are correct. Marriage should be a voluntary contract between parties, not a relationship defined by the government. But that's not the world we live in.
I don't care what sort of freaky relationships consenting adults choose to have. There's a lot of weird things out there that I don't choose for myself. If someone else makes a different decision, it's not my business. Why do you think it's yours?
The only one angry here is you.
While the ideal would be getting government out of the business of granting legal privileges to certain types of relationships, I'd be fully on board with civil unions for any romantic couples, roommate pairs, polyamorous groups, or Hippie communes for that matter who want to enter that sort of legal arrangement. I do believe it's incorrect and dishonest on the part of cultural propagandists to label same-sex civil unions "marriages," but gay rights activists were rather insistent on the language.
And where does it end? MAP marriages? That is the next step..already the normalization of pedos, the push to groom by the trannies in schools with this idiotic "gender affirming" bullshi$. Evolution affirms your gender anything else is denial of reality.
Liberty will always win over tradition? No liberty is based on tradition. Forcing someone to trade against their beliefs is hardly liberty is it.
What is MAP?
Liberty is fundemental. Traditions change. Liberty allows you to accept or reject tradition as you see fit. Traditionalism prevents liberty by locking in one set of values as the requirement for everyone else's behavior.
Traditionalism is the antithesis of liberty.
The bill got 61 votes because 12 Republicans are limp-dick idiots. They are CONSTANTLY rolling over to "cross the aisle" and help the Democrats fuck this country up.
One wonders why we have a Republican party at all, when they're so quick to give progressives what they want.
"equal protection under the law" -- protection from WHAT???
Yeah; that's what I thought.
The "protected-class" of [WE] Woke-Religion to Gov-Gun dictate the collective.
If it wasn't exactly about that it would be about getting the Gov-Guns out of relationships or an acceptance that sodomy doesn't procreate and that's why government used that term.
Alison's, if you're so sure CO2 is causing global warming, please stop emitting it personally and with all haste.
Where does Reason find these progressive leftists to shill for their marxist causes?
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Alison’s, if you’re so sure CO2 is causing global warming, please stop emitting it personally and with all haste.
I don't even agree with the premise of AGW and even I can appreciate that saying the Dobbs decision is a more critical threat to humanity than AGW is a special kind of stupid.
The Dobbs decision is not a critical threat to humanity at all. If anything, it limits the amount of human lives that can be snuffed out.
PLEASE point out your evidence that Alison is "...so sure CO2 is causing global warming".
"Where does Reason find these progressive leftists to shill for their marxist causes?"
You'll have to explain why climate change is a Marxist cause. While you're at it you'll have to explain why you think conservatives don't acknowledge climate change is a valid issue.
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Whatever one’s opinion of the merits of the Respect for Marriage Act, it should be hailed as a positive sign that Congress can reclaim its rightful place in our system of constitutionally limited and enumerated powers.
This is as completely wrong as you could get. Whatever your view on the merits of protecting gay marriage, this Act is outside of Congress's authority. There is no enumerated power to regulate marriage. Marriage is and has always been a purely state issue.
full faith and credit clause. this bill does not regulate or define marriage in any way.... it requires states to recognize the marriages of other states, which is a power very explicitly given to congress.
So if Washington owes you $3000 so does every other state?
WOW! What a money maker.....
UR FOS.
that's not what it means, dip shit.
not surprising, though...... the people filled with the most hate tend to be the stupidest.
"that’s not what it means, dip shit." ....... How right you are about your own take.
But it also contains provisions intended to preserve religious liberty, a view more typically associated with conservatives and Republicans.
Another idiotic take. First of all, religious liberty was a bipartisan issue until about 10 years ago (and to the extent it wasnt, the problem was overreach by certain elements of the red team).
More significantly, though, the bill contains provisions recognizing the religious “liberty”of state- approved churches, organizations, etc. Not of the individual.
"individual" Has this word been in any Reason article in say the last 10 years or so?
The federal government should stay out of marriage. For that matter, so should the states, IMO, but they have a little bit more constitutional leeway than the federal government does.
^THIS…
Problem being in the definition of “marriage” either by religion or government. It’s a term binding the two entities.
Proposed Solution: Government should let religion define “marriage” and state governments can define a “civil union” if they find that so important to do.
the problem is that it already works that way. the churches already set the conditions for being married by them, that are beyond the legal requirements, and the state sets the conditions for the union being legally recognized. the only thing you would really change is the title of the form they submit. (a gay couple already can't be married in the catholic church.)
and, honestly, who the fuck cares? if everyone who files a marriage certificate instead files a civil union certificate..... what difference does that make? why even make the effort? just so you can avoid using the word "marriage" for gay people? what is the point of that?
just so you can avoid using the word “marriage” for gay people? what is the point of that?
Religious freedom.
Not a hard question at all.
The more important question is why gay people insist on using the word 'marriage'.
Because, for the activists, it isn't fundamentally about equal legal rights. It's about compelling social acceptance, progressive transformation of culture through the institutional, top-down transformation of language. They don't care about "marriage" as such. They care about striking blows against social conservatism and traditional ideas of the family. Any undermining of conventional gender roles, parental authority, even childhood innocence is a positive in their book.
or..... maybe they just think that anyone who wants to enter into a legal marriage contract with another person should be allowed to, and we should stop using the power of the state to punish people we don't like. the only ones pushing for less freedom are those who have some problem with gay marriage.
The Respect the Woke-Religion Act was entirely OPPOSITE of "stop using the power of the state" since it's very purpose is to use the power of the state to define relationships...
(as #2 points so well)....
compelling social acceptance, progressive transformation of culture through the institutional, top-down transformation of language.
If it wasn't using the power of the state then it would be an effort to remove the concept of "marriage" from law and allow universal *religious* freedom on the subject.
Or else accepting that the NATURE of human reproduction establishes the very roots of the *legal* term "marriage" for the law of which the sodomy lovers are restricted by NATURE itself.
once again... you demonstrate that you have absolutely no idea what it is you are opposing.....
That's what the compromise push for civil unions was about: the extension of legal rights and privileges to non-married, same-sex couples. It was never enough. The definition of marriage had to change, not just for some but for all, officially. Anyone who disagreed that same-sex marriage was of equal value and simply about "the right to love" was treated as a deranged, fundamentalist bigot. And, soon, the same thing will happen to opponents of polyamorous group marriage. If "man and woman" is an arbitrary legal condition, then "two people" is an arbitrary legal condition.
the "civil union" angle was always just you guys admitting that gays deserved equal treatment..... but not quite grasping that giving their unions a different name does not quite match that goal. you guys call it a "compromise," but it really is just a great big "GFY" to gay couples.
Yeah... If [WE] Woke-Religion sodomy-lovers can't make the rules then I guess everyone must be telling us to just "GFY"....
The level of self-centered entitlement by leftards is absurd.
No, actually, the rejection of civil unions by activists only demonstrates that they sought more than equal rights and protections and were unwilling to compromise. They also demanded equal recognition and social acceptance by the top-down imposition of a radically ahistorical redefinition of marriage.
To me, civil unions aren't a compromise between state recognition of traditional marriages only and state recognition of marriages between couples of any sex combination. Rather they're a compromise between getting government of marriage altogether and government bestowing certain legal privileges upon committed couples with reproductive potential.
Something something, "Bake the cake, bigot!"
it does make it easy when you admit you are not even reading the argument, and go "something something."
religious freedom..... the problem you have is that there is absolutely NOTHING religious about the legal definition of marriage. this is like saying we have to find another word for wine or bread, because some churches use it for communion.
again... the religious and legal aspects of marriage are already separate. and, despite your desire to strip gays from being able to use the word..... there are churches they can get married in, too..... so you are not even achieving your petty goal of forbidding them from using the word.
"there are churches they can get married in"
You seem to think I care about this in a religious context. Do you think I care if the church-of-sodomy (Woke-Religion) says two people are married?
It's the church-of-sodomy using legislative GUNS to force legal definitions their way of which they have ZERO basis or reasoning to do so short of [WE] Woke-Religious gang RULES.
If you don't like humanities entire life-long premise that "marriage" had something to do with a husband and wife creating offspring the the LEAST you'd be doing is lobbying for dismissal of the term usage in legislative law.
"You seem to think I care about this in a religious context."
that has been your whole fucking argument, you goddamn moron.....
"It’s the church-of-sodomy using legislative GUNS to force legal definitions their way of which they have ZERO basis or reasoning to do so short of [WE] Woke-Religious gang RULES."
except, the only one trying to use GOV GUNS to enforce their opinion is you.... now that you seem to be abandoning your ridiculous religious argument, the only ones seeking to use the government to restrict the freedom of others are those who want to use those GOV guns to prevent gay people from being married. (regardless of the fact that there are religions that will do so.)
LOL... "the only one trying to use GOV GUNS to enforce their opinion is you.."
And the entire article was written about what??????
The Respect the Woke-Religion Act.
As so very well worded in the bill itself.
This is you 100%...
"MY rules for marriage aren't religious at all."
"YOUR rules for marriage are religious oppression and that's why MY rules for marriage has to win for freedom to exist."
You associate 'religion' with one side but play the ignorance game to your own. Well let me fill you in........ YOUR ignorance about being a pusher of the Woke-Religion is far more Religious than the other side. The other side actually has NATURAL law on it's side. (i.e. Sodomy doesn't create families).
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There are a sizable number of libertarians, particularly on the cultural left, who take a "by any means necessary" approach to reforms. Some Reason contributors fall into this category. They acknowledge no positive relationship between libertarianism, understood as an emancipatory legal and social philosophy, and federalism or decentralization. And with mainstream progressives, they hold the U.S. Constitution in relatively low esteem, with a view that principle trumps procedure and legal reasoning is necessary sophistry, the high art of bending law to your will through creative reinterpretation.
But to be fair, many on the lib-right see auth-left to auth-right movement as a marginal improvement, just as the lib-left may interpret an auth-left victory as progress against the darker prospect of a win for the auth-right. The vertical is closer than the diagonal. It's a major reason I don't think the libertarian movement will get anywhere as long as there aren't some common cultural values and vision. What libertarians have long touted as a political strength---their appeal to widely divergent worldviews and moral outlooks---has actually been holding them back, among other reasons because incremental reforms and compromises are necessary to advance our cause, but libertarians have very different ideaa about what constitutes a step in the right direction.
To help beat a deal horse, why is a purported libertarian magazine celebrating the regulation of peoples relationships by government?
This magazine is now Vox lite. Staffed with bein pensant blue checks who use it to audition for a WaPo column.
^ this
"...celebrating the regulation of peoples relationships by government..."
So if the feds tell Alabama that they need to respect the marriage of a black person to a white person (who got married in another, less racist state), despite the (hypothetical as of now) votes of a racist majority of Alabama voters... Then, according to Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, these are just HORRIBLE assholes at the fed level? Where is your BRAIN, Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer?
Yes. The feds have no authority over marriage, and should remain silent on the subject.
I can't even make out what you're screeching about. Try saying it in English.
How is it that cultural conservatives keep insisting things that protect people's rights are somehow infringing on them?
My rights to get gay-married get in the way of their GINORMOUS punishment boners!!! If I get gay-married WITHOUT their permission, and then, insult piled on top of injury, I am NOT severely PUNISHED for my offense? Now THAT hurts Their Precious Baby Feelings!
(And that's a wrap!)
Which law punishes sodomy? Natures law?
NATURE hasn't entitled me to procreate in my sodomy relationship... Fix-it Gov-Guns Fix-it! Pull out those 9's and demand collective respect for my deviant sexual acts!!! /s
U leftards are so FOS its baffling.
It's not protecting anyone's rights, but it definitely is infringing on others.
Maybe you'd win more arguments and stop needing legal compulsion to fulfill your aims, if you people stopped lying about what you're doing, Shrike.
Dobbs took decision-making from the individual and gave it to the government. Yes, state governments count as government.
This law takes the decision of whether two people can get married away from the government and gives it back to individuals.
If you want to do something that doesn't hurt anyone else and legislation prevents you, it is anti-libertarian. If you want to make choices for yourself and legislation protects that right, it is libertarian.
Cultural conservatism is inherently anti-libertarian because it seeks to prevent people from doing things like marrying who they want or making medical decisions for themselves (or their kids) or following their own moral beliefs (whether religious or otherwise). It seeks to legisalte personal beliefs because society keeps rejecting conservative cultural values and traditionalists can't allow people to do that.
Gay people DEMANDING the government grants them a symbol has nothing to do with be able to claim a self-identity themselves.
They aren't asking for freedom from government status symbols. They're asking for ?freedom? to TAKE/DEMAND a government status symbol.
Legislation doesn't prevent them from having a relationship. It just defines relationships in the eyes of the law.
Nice try at turning rights into *entitlements* though... Better luck next time.
Because there is no inherent right to a government status symbol.
There is a right to any religious status symbol so long as it doesn't pack Gov-Guns with it.
Ironically; the subject at hand is LEGISLATIVE (Gov-Gun enforced).
Respect the Woke-Religion Act which apparently thinks sodomy unions are part of the human reproduction NATURAL process.
>>Congress can reclaim its rightful place in our system
would be lovely. Congress now only exists to enrich Congressmen. repeal 17th to start.
Thank god congress has come together to protect us from polygamists!
You mean the Christo-fascists.
Well the people certainly are polygamists (multi-partner reproduction) whether or not government wants to grant them the collective "respect" symbol for it or not.
OMG! Rights infringement, Rights infringement! LOL... /s
“But it also contains provisions intended to preserve religious liberty”
It exempts various nonprofit groups and religious entities, but does not exempt individuals or businesses. This law just gives another avenue for states and individuals to sue religious small business owners.
Because running a business isn't a religious activity. It isn't protected.
You shouldn't have to be "engaged in religious activity" to retain your freedom of conscience.
You can have all the conscience you want. You just can't force it onto others in the public marketplace. If you don't like the rules, don't join.
No one is forcing you to open a business, but if you choose to you will get treated like everyone else. You aren't more special than everyone else because you are religious.
Summary.. You can have freedom of conscience (Individual Choice).
But if you're in public you have to have the Woke-Religions freedom of conscience.
But here you trying tell everyone that's not FORCING it onto other people. What a spin....
So, the baker being coerced to bake a celebratory same-sex wedding cake is free, but the gay couple that is free to visit a different bakery or bake their own cake is being coerced?
The bakery isn’t demanding special privileges. They’re demanding the right to refuse service and be allowed to follow their conscience without losing their livelihood. (Obviously the typical LGBTQIA+ activist doesn’t care about that because the typical LGBTQIA+ activist is a histrionic narcissist asshole.) The same principle should apply if it’s a Christian baker being told she has to make a gay pride themed wedding cake or an atheist signmaker being told he has to build a church sign.
Your seething contempt is palpable, but I really don’t know why this approach is so hard to grasp. There is no privileging of religious perspectives going on here. There ought to be a single standard: the right to labor for a particular person or not to labor, the right to trade with a particular person or not to trade. Legally, it shouldn’t matter why. Wedding cakes aren’t a natural monopoly, last time I checked. We don’t need special protected classes of producers or consumers based on religious, sexual, or any other kind of identity; and minorities don’t need special market privileges to keep “unaffirming” meanies from saying no to them.
Another day, another Reason article presenting anti-libertarian legislation as libertarian.
Is there ANY Orwellianism from the Left that Reason doesn't swallow whole?
Anything must be done to protect the social Left's sacred caste.
Haven't seen one yet.
removing ways the government can control and limit your freedom is anti-libertarian? cool story, bro.
Tell that to Jack Phillips, when the candy-asses show up at his shop demanding cakes again and he has no choice but to violate his conscience or close up.
I guarantee, he will pack up his business, or hand it off, and the gays will STILL demand he bake that cake. That's what all this is about. It's not about freedom for candy-asses.
Congress never should have gotten involved in marriage, and marriage shouldn't be the grab-bag of bullshit it has become. All the perks, including the extraction of concessions from the wealthier party - plus no fault divorce, meaning the poorer person can extract said concessions whenever they wish - has completely demolished marriage. It's not longer a bulwark against the state but an invitation for the state to intrude in your life.
He chose to open a business, with all of the laws and rules that entails. Religious people aren't special. If you refuse to follow the rules, don't open a business.
I reserve the right to refuse MY service to anyone for any reason....
THAT is what freedom is. Your BS is getting old.
another demonstration that those opposed to this law are completely clueless about what it actually does.... you all just hate gay people and see every headline about gay marriage as an excuse to bloviate about how you want to be able to punish them just for being gay.
^The Social Justice Warrior...
Pull out the 9's and FORCE them to respect everything I want them to respect.
Tyranny in the making.
"freedom to" have government FORCE universal respect for the Woke-Religion?
you can get married to whoever you want.... or you can only get married to those who my religion thinks you should get married to....
you are ass backwards on who is trying to use the government to force their opinion on others.
you can define married however you want…. or you can only define married according to my religion….
UR entitling yourself to RULE the collective by pretending your rules aren't religious but everyone else's are.
A common leftard narrative.
If I can't STEAL - It's inequality.
If I can't OWN your BUSINESS - It's racist.
If I can't pay my BILLS - It's sexist.
If I can't DEFINE marriage - It's religious oppression.
Me, me, me, me, me........................ And everyone else is just oppressive to me, me, me, me, me.... GROW THE F'UP LEFTARDS.
Yes, a law protecting marriage for any two consenting adults is Orwellian and anti-libertarian.
Legislation that gives the legal benefits of marriage exclusively to heterosexuals is much more libertarian.
It still boggles my mind that otherwise intelligent people believe such nonsense.
Because of course.. When those UN-Constitutional laws were passed they were certainly passed to help the Woke-Religion of Sodomy instead of passed to help husbands and wife's creating offspring.
Here's an idea.. Maybe the Gov-Guns shouldn't be "Respecting" any particular relationship status commenced by any religion. And if the concept of "marriage" has nothing to do with religion that it has to do with family/offspring --- It was never intended to promote sodomy entitlements.
Government has no compelling interest in the long term stability of non heterosexual relationships is the problem. They do not create the new generation of society. Therefore, any definition of marriage which must include homosexuality, there is no public interest served by such a legal institution.
"Government has no compelling interest in the long term stability of non heterosexual relationships"
They don't have an interest in the stability of heterosexual relationships, either.
"They do not create the new generation of society."
This may come as a shock to you, but new generations of society were created long before the artificial construct of marriage.
Tell me, are heterosexuals who can't have children allowed to marry? How about those who don't want children? Or people who are past childbearing age?
Why do cultural conservatives believe that the ability to have children is somehow relevant to marriage?
Why do gay people think sodomy is relevant to the term “marriage”? When the intent of every “marriage” law was to help a family?
(the exact point Mickey Rat was making)
They are allowed to marry so long as their marriage doesn’t require legislation (Gov-Guns). The collective isn’t required to ‘respect’ their DEMANDED symbol for that would be a violation of their freedom.
Summary; There is no ‘inherent’ right to be entitled to a government status symbol.
Religion has way too much of a hold on the concept of "marriage" for the government to claim "Respect for...." legislation.
This just as well be the "Respect for Woke-Religion" Act...
Mandated religion.
I really don't get it. When Poop-hole pokers started all this their relationship was going to be granted by a "civil union" (government blessing) but apparently NOPE.. They had to mandate religion (a religious arena).
funny how people who try to pretend a marriage certificate from the state is "religious" have never had any problem with the 20% or so of straight married couples who are atheists.
And you just pegged the very point government became a religion.
They should've had a problem with it as they should've had a problem of many millions of things government took over.
We support intrusive government because it's intrusive?
i think you need to dial the meds back a bit.
the point is not that you should have had a problem with it.... it is that, to this day, you don't have problem with it. you don't have a problem with people getting married by Elvis, you don't have a problem with people getting hitched at a courthouse, you don't care about people getting married in other denominations than yours..... you don't care about marriage as a religious institution at all..... you just hate gay people, and all your other BS is a weak attempt at a smokescreen for that fact.
Wrong. To this day; I have had a problem with it (government over-reach). When a group of [WE] sodomy-gang RULES pushed to make marriage not about family/offspring I have more of a problem with it.
Nobody "hates" them (in political sense) for participating in sodomy in their own homes. I "hate" their [WE] RULE and are going to make sure everyone bows to our whim mentality.
What? Your not going to give me $100 bill for doing nothing? What do you "hate" me!!! That's not right. I should get $100 even if I didn't preform the job...
The pitty to privilege roll.
seriously.... switch to water for a bit.....
"Wrong. To this day; I have had a problem with it (government over-reach). When a group of [WE] sodomy-gang RULES pushed to make marriage not about family/offspring I have more of a problem with it."
right.... you really do hate all the other non-religious people who get married too..... you just can't express that without being obsessed with sodomy.....
and, it should be pointed out that even if you were sincere, your objection to how other people define marriage kind of exposes your "religious freedom" argument as complete BS..... you don't want religious freedom, you want to force your religion on everyone else. those opposed to gay marriage are the only ones trying to force their opinions on anyone else. religious freedom for me but not for thee.
LMAO… “religious freedom for me but not for thee” So it does have something to do with religion now huh??
Apparently the Woke-Religion has to exercise a ?right? (BS it’s a dictate) to define all other religious ceremonies outcomes and literally centuries of legal practice to be “religiously free”. Instead of just picking a DIFFERENT F’EN WORD!
If it's not the "Respect the Woke-Religion" Act then do explain where in previous law the government symbol was used specifically for sodomy? Good Luck. From where I sit the legal term "marriage" has always been used in legislature for the purpose of unions that create offspring (family).
Yet here you are trying to pretend that premise never existed and that LAW can all be changed by just changing well-established definitions.
It doesn't matter if you want to take a religious approach or a legal approach. The [WE] sodomy-lover gang wants to RULE. As [WE] gang-building RULERS democrats do.
"LMAO… “religious freedom for me but not for thee” So it does have something to do with religion now huh??"
well, color me surprised that you are too stupid to grasp the point being made. i guess "even if you were sincere" was too subtle for your stupid ass to understand. the legal definition of marriage has nothing to do with religion. and that is the part you want to change... the legal definition.... because you are too stupid to even acknowledge that even on the religious side of things there are churches that will marry gay couples. (so you lose either way.)
"If it’s not the “Respect the Woke-Religion” Act then do explain where in previous law the government symbol was used specifically for sodomy? "
first, you show me where the legal definition of marriage has EVER said ANYTHING about sex..... and then show me where it EVER forbade the one sex act you are completely obsessed with. (you are displaying all the signs of someone who thinks it is a secret how much they want to get poked in the butt.)
Um... It wasn't me it was NATURE... that forbade the sex-act of sodomy from creating offspring/children. RU to deny that Pre Woke-Religion federal law with the term "married" in it wasn't written specifically to assist a union of husband and wife (male and female) in rearing the couples children?
Do you think the intent of those written laws were about granting entitlements for sodomy?
Offspring are the result of a very specific act. Are all other acts banned? Only the ones involving sexual arousal? When you jack off, do you cry?
This is about equal protection under the constitution. A marriage certificate, which for decades has been available to straight couples whether they planned to reproduce or not, whether they loved each other or just met, for any reason they could dream of.
A marriage contract is a template the government provides for a common form of contract. Do you believe in the freedom of contract or not? How do you justify the government banning gays from drawing up a contract between two adults of sound mind? Do you hate the free market?
Google Civil Union Tony.
UR entire "I'm not allowed to" is utter BS.
You just don't get to DEMAND the same contract that has laws around it SPECIFICALLY for a husband and wife that creates offspring.
BECAUSE................. That contract doesn't fit the sodomy relationship.
If you want to pretend its some kind of religious contract instead of a government one then you don't need Gov-Guns at all involved. (erase the term and move on).
"Um… It wasn’t me it was NATURE… that forbade the sex-act of sodomy from creating offspring/children. "
how surprising that you failed to address the failure of your argument.... or that you continue to be obsessed with sodomy...... you show me where the LEGAL definition of marriage has ever had anything to do with sex or sodomy or STFU.
LMAO... That's funny...
Gay-Marriage isn't about sodomy?
Do tell; What's it all about then - Cheating Immigration laws?
Every sperm counts as a tax-deductible dependent?
What is behind this wildly emotional push for getting a government granted symbol that has nothing to do with it's entire historical premise?
I think #2 post probably pegged this debate right on.
It's just the Woke-Religion (indoctrination) flexing it's Gov-Gun muscle at the other side (doesn't really matter what that side is - so long as it's a different side) to prove they RULE!
No rhyme or reason for it. It's just self-important POWER-MAD bullying of the masses on display.
i.e. I'll pull out my 9's and YOU will respect what I say you will respect..
Or straight couples who engage in anal sex.
In fact, in some religious circles, that's considered a loophole.
The poophole loophole, if you will.
The Act allows the IRS and it's 87,000 new Gestapo Agents to harass and remove the tax free status of Church's, Schools, Daycares etc that don't toe the line with the Government RightThink.
A lot of grants of authority seem open-ended but are actually forms of licensure. They take the form, "You're not allowed to do this unless you get a license from this administrative/executive agency. The administrator is to apply these criteria and use the following factors in judgment regarding whether to grant a license...." Such is how the FDA, EPA, DoEnergy, and a lot of others are empowered.
But how would you have it otherwise? Would you leave these things questions of fact ultimately resolvable in court, like, you're allowed to market this product if and only if it's safe and effective, which you probably can't get an answer to unless you go ahead and do it, leading to a civil or criminal case? Or, you must apply to Congress for permission? Or, everything's allowed unless Congress decides your particular thing is illegal, which sounds like a bill of attainder?
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It also shows that with enough complaining you can change whatever you want. They took the rainbow from the bible and made it gay. The redefined marriage from man and woman to 2 dudes plating house. Now they demand that the church accept them instead of just starting their own. Ashiest have hijacked xmas just so they can get some free shit.
You are definitely angry. Makes sense, since your worldview is increasingly being rejected as time goes by and the laws your fellow travelers pass to force everyone to live your way keep disappearing as decent people claw their rights back from theocrats and cultural authoritarians.
"force everyone to live your way"
The Respect the Woke-Religion Act...
Just keep telling yourself that DEMANDS are a 'right' so long as you identify with the Nazi-Club. The 'right' to RULE!/s
The party of DEMAND with no acknowledgement of a SUPPLY..
Still the party of slavery.
^THIS.....
All an every-growing problem with [WE] gang-affiliation RULES!!
form of *foreign* governing in the USA.
The USA is a *CONSTITUTIONAL* Republic
NOT a [WE] mob RULES National Sozialist(syn;Nazi) democracy.
The Bible can share the rainbow with the gays lol.
What you're describing is freedom. People doing what they want with rainbows and getting laws protecting their civil equality and doing it democratically. Oh, the horror.
Tony's *entitled* to any status he so chooses. When he files his IRS-40 forms he can claim 500-dependants because every sperm counts and he can count his shoes too.. Because of "equality" in all things..
Can you say "a recipe" for the absolutely dumbest culture ever.
I fully believe in people rights and liberty...
And frankly; legally pretending you fit the definition of a pipe clamp isn't one of those supposed rights. There is no inherent right to every government status (word) symbol ever to exist.
Frankly; I think sodomy-lovers should have to pass their own relationship structure laws instead of DEMAND to piggy-back off the already religiously involved "marriage" if being government subservient is so important to them.
But you're right about one thing. Democratically State's pass the legislation of what "marriage" is NOT the feds or some BS claim to 'rights'. There is no right to be recognized as a pipe clamp in the eyes of the law.
How about the government stay out of marriage completely? Marriage is a sacrament to Catholics.
The same magazine that claims that "democracy dies in darkness" saw no problem with running a story calling for a "mild species of dictatorship". They should send Nick Fuentes a job offer, he'd fit right in.
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