The Former Kanye West Is Running for President Again, Allying With Fascists
The "Ye24" campaign is seemingly managed and shaped by the likes of Milo Yiannopoulos and Nick Fuentes.

Ye, the fabulously successful musical and fashion artist formerly known as Kanye West, appears to be running for president for a second time. He has launched a "Ye24" campaign seemingly managed and shaped by, first, alt-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, soon thereafter joined by fascist online personality and political commentator Nick Fuentes.
This nascent campaign made news last week by apparently fooling former President Donald Trump into the bad-optics choice of eating dinner at Mar-a-Lago with Fuentes, a much-banned character (and at least formerly enormous Trump supporter) whose public pronouncements are full of racism, antisemitism, and an open desire to impose his political will with violent force, under the guise of Christian nationalism.
At the meeting, Ye claimed, he asked Trump to be his running mate. Ye has said both that Trump was impressed with Fuentes, in a now-deleted tweet video, and that Trump "had no idea who Nick was" before Ye took him to dinner. Trump has also insisted in a Truth Social post that he did not know Fuentes. Ye did not seem to come out of the meeting with his former admiration for Trump intact.
It is unclear if Ye in 2024 intends to run independently as in 2020 (when he was on the ballot in 12 states and got slightly fewer than 68,000 votes) or for the Republican nomination. Ye referred in the past week in a deleted tweet to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, understood to be a 2024 GOP possibility, as his opponent. Running as an independent would be a far easier path to Ye's actually being on the ballot. If he doesn't bother with launching a full third-party apparatus, the qualifications for independent presidential ballot access are quite within the reach of someone with Ye's wealth and head start (with a halfway competent staff).
Ye, Yiannopoulos, and Fuentes had an aborted appearance on Tim Pool's very popular podcast last night which previewed the public face of the Ye24 campaign. Ye and his team chose to make their animus against Jews their only apparent concern or policy position. Ye wanted people to contemplate that both former Presidents Barack Obama and Trump had trusted advisers who were Jewish (Rahm Emanuel and Jared Kushner) and seems to believe there is a concerted conspiracy on the part of Jewish people to harm him.
Ye alluded to his grievances against his former trainer Harley Pasternak, who Ye alleges sent him a text message threatening to have him drugged and institutionalized again (complete with an implied threat to ruin his relationships with his children) after Ye began his current wave of public animus against the Jews. (Ye was with Pasternak when he was first placed on involuntary psychiatric hold in 2016, and Ye has complained that Jewish doctors gave him medications that were bad for him.) Pool's partner Luke Rudkowski drew attention to the fact that Pasternak had past employment with Canada's Department of National Defense, which to him makes it likely that Pasternak may have been an intelligence agent "handler" of Ye on the part of unnamed sinister controlling forces, a belief of Ye's.
Since Ye issued his since-deleted "death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE" tweet in October, he has been abandoned by business partners including Adidas. Ye intimated on Pool's podcast that just yesterday he learned he was in some sort of tax debt trouble that he fears could land him in jail; he was relieved to learn he could run for president from jail.
While Ye's previous political consigliere was Candace Owens of Turning Point USA and the "Blexit" movement encouraging a black diaspora from Democratic Party support, Ye explained on Pool's podcast that he found his way to Yiannopoulos via an associate of Alex Jones when they were commiserating over their status as highly "canceled" public figures. Yiannopoulos then hooked him up with Fuentes, who Yiannopoulos called on Pool's podcast the most "extraordinarily brilliant political commentator of his generation"
When Pool tried to object to smearing every adherent of a certain religion as purportedly sinister because Ye feels he has been treated unfairly by certain music, fashion, and banking industry executives who were Jewish, Ye walked out and his team soon followed.
In Ye's first wave of political controversy in the Trump era, when he was an enthusiastic MAGA-hat-wearing Trump supporter, the only specific policies he ever seemed to advocate for were related to criminal justice reform, making life easier for prisoners and ending the involuntary servitude associated with modern imprisonment, and a return of industrial production to American cities. Those stances fit well within Trumpism as it was practiced—and both fit perfectly well within standard modern progressive/Democratic platforms as well. A campaign based around complaining about Jews and allying with open advocates of a violent overthrow of the government to impose right-wing Christian values and keep out or reduce the legal rights of nonwhite male Christians might have less crossover appeal.
When Ye actually ran for president in 2020, after a brief public turn toward making his music and public persona more explicitly Christian/gospel in message, he front-and-centered abortion as a concern, but even then he did not advocate banning it but rather providing public financial support for women to encourage them to choose to give birth. He also said he was explicitly intending to steal votes from Joe Biden, and thus help Trump, and offered a potpourri of policies including (through means unspecified) household and student debt reduction, "fair trade," a wider range of educational choices including vocational, and more faith-based local support provision.
"Ye24" has projected nothing specific in its policies or intentions, except for what might be reasonably guessed at by his choice to publicly ally with Yiannopoulos and Fuentes. That mixture is probably best characterized as Christo-fascism: an alleged dedication to pushing Christian beliefs and strictures in public policy combined with malign animus against those who are not white Christians. (Yes, Ye is black. But unless and until he explains what he does, and doesn't, like about his new consigliere and traveling companion Fuentes, the policy implications of his alliance with him seem to be that he agrees with the message Fuentes has been promoting for years. In a now-deleted tweet the other day, Ye wrote/joked? that Fuentes was writing his tweets.)
At this point in his campaign, the only specific point that Ye seems to believe God and Jesus are inspiring him toward as a candidate is reminding the world that he feels various Jewish people did him harm and that it's very important he remind the world that those people are Jewish. It is unlikely this will prove a winning message electorally, though Yiannopoulos on Pool's podcast seems to believe it's a message a mass of Americans are waiting to hear, explaining that Ye is the "dam burst" on an issue that "everyone had been wondering about," that is, why one can't openly blame the Jewish people writ large for substantial portions of the world's troubles, or at least Ye's troubles, without people wanting nothing to do with you. (That our culture has developed taboos about the expression of certain blanket condemnations of certain types, like blacks and Jews, based on the fact that those beliefs have led in living memory to some of history's most massive and horrible crimes, genocides, slavery, and general oppression is something Ye has not yet been asked to consider in public by anyone who has spoken to him.)
As a musician and fashion mogul, Ye had a far brighter and smarter sense of how to find high-quality people to work with than he seems to with politics; it goes without saying that it's depressing to see the greatest pop artist of the century become a bottom-feeding fascist presidential candidate, but his example may help the modern Republican right decide more sharply where they stand, or at least how far in the direction of white nationalist fascism the American electorate is prepared to go.
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That they do for the Presidency if they’re over age 35.
But Mother Nature’s Natural Rights qualifies the rest of us to tell Ye, Milo Yiannapoulos, Tim Pool, and Nick Fuentes to all go: “Fuck Off, Nazis!”
I hope that Misek has a sad knowing that he isn’t special in this farewell. ????
What, EXACTLY, did Tim Pool to be told to "Fuck off" or to be labeled a "Nazi"?
Now, I know memories nowadays don’t go further than the latest Tweet, but Tim Pool supported the Occupy Wall Streeters before he was against them and used the cover of being a journalist. The Occupiers were the O.G. homeless encampers who were every bit as Anti-Capitalist and Nihilistic as Antifa, BLM, CHAZ/CHOPers, and Neo-Nazis of today. Just a smidge of change in the rhetoric, the skin suits, and the particular targets and they’d be no different.
Tim Pool–Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pool
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"Tim Pool supported the Occupy Wall Streeters before he was against them and used the cover of being a journalist."
You know, he has explained all of this. He opposes what he calls "identitarianism", a belief that a small group of people are ruining their lives. He became disillusioned when they went hard left and kept saying "The 1% are oppressing us", when no entire group is doing any one thing.
And citing Wikipedia is the next best thing to saying "I got nothing".
You beat me to the punch. All you need to be labeled a Nazi is to have once breathed the same air as someone labeled a Nazi. I subscribe to the belief that once you call someone a Nazi you have already lost the argument.
There are exceptions. See: Rob Misek.
You know who else was an exception?
If you'll notice, he first said he supported OWS when he was doing high-tech Gonzo Journalism, then years later said he never supported OWS. So which the Hell is it?
Given that Collectivists have a tendency to regard honesty as a Bourgeois prejudice and play the chameleon, I'll go with Tim Pool as being cut from the same mold as OWS, who incidentally always blamed the 1%. Recall their slogan: "We Are the 99%!"
OWS also had it's own problems of Anti-Semitism within it's hoarde, so there's that too.
Didn’t you know that any criticism of jews is “antisemitic”? To know who is in power look to those you cannot criticize: jews.
- Tim Pool is in absolutely no way, shape or form a Nazi. To call him one is base slander.
- Yiannapoulos is a creepy idiot with a sexual fetish for both big black men and retarded edgelord opinions, but he's not a Nazi.
- I don't know who Fuentes is but Doherty's citation as to his Nazihood was gaslighting garbage by a twitter troll farm deliberately misconstruing a video, so I suspect he isn't either.
-Ye is vocalizing the casual antisemitism found throughout the American Black community. He's no more a Nazi than Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Ilyasah Shabazz and Ibram X. Kendi. The problem isn't unique to him.
Thank you.
See above about Tim Pool.
Milo has a long history of pandering to White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis, as well as supporting compulsory Christianity as an intern for Marjorie Taylor Greene, not to mention that he's said things in support of proclivities that merit him a visit from Qanon and all the others who protest "grooming":
Milo Yianniopoulos--Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos
Nick Fuentes is a multi-layered shit-cake of Anti-Semitism, Neo-Nazism, While Supremacy, Catholic Theocratic Dark Ages Reactionism, Putinist Revanchism, and and brazen Irrationality:
Nick Fuentes--Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
Damnit! Do you even Wiki?
And just because Ye mimics the Anti-Semitism of Black demogogues and religious con-artist cult leaders and just plain street rabble, does that make it apple-polished, justified and right?
I stand by my words: Fuck Off, Nazis! The lot of them!
You’re going to have to do better than Wikipedia. Which is notorious for leftists having a death grip on editing articles with their propaganda. And I don’t really trust anything you say.
Do you have any actual video of this guy saying legit Nazi things? Or am I just supposed to take the word of a notorious left wing propaganda website?
Nick Fuentes isn't even white as far as I know. It's hard to assume that an Italian-Mexican, a Greek Jew (Milo), and a black guy are "real Nazis". It's far more likely they are trolls.
You forgot, they're all white supremacists too. And that Milo guy is virulently anti-gay!
No one is a bigger white supremacist then Kanye.
Milo's anti-Gay schtick is self-denial and his new "Gay Conversion" clinic is fresh bait for a big, fat malpractice lawsuit. Milo would have gone down on Ye if they were in the same studio. Fuck Off to both of them!
Doesn't mean a thing.
According to Martin Gardner's Fadsb and Fallacies in the Name of 'Science', the O.G. Nazis extended "Honorary Aryan" status to the Japanese, and to American Indians and Indian Indians. Nazis also made alliances with Anti-Colonialist "National Liberation" fronts in European colonies throughout Asia and Africa. Eventually, the Nazis ended up saying basically that "Aryan" meant anyone who wasn't Jewish.
Also, after the War, many Nazis went to both South America and The Middle East and mingled and blended with the population. Many Nazis in the Middle East at least adopted Arabic names and others also converted to Islam.
So, yeah, Nazism can encompass people from all kinds of backgrounds, as long as they parrot the 'doxy and serve Nazi purposes.
Wiki does have links that are verifiable, which is a step above any ideological house organ.
As for Tim Pool, the day after he interviewed Milo, Nick, and Ye, he described Milo as "genius" and Ye as "smart.". Here are the videos:
YouTuber Tim Pool praises neo-Nazi ally Milo Yiannopoulos and rapper Ye
https://www.mediamatters.org/tim-pool/youtuber-tim-pool-praises-neo-nazi-ally-milo-yiannopoulos-and-rapper-ye
Pool might as well just have said that they were: "Wickedly great" as Calypso Louis Farrakhan said about You-Know-Who-Else.
And here Pool is trying to psychologize Ye, blaming his shitty behavior on the stress of getting divorced:
Tim Pool says the media has been “unfair” to Ye and blames his behavior on being “stressed out” over his divorce
https://www.mediamatters.org/tim-pool/tim-pool-says-media-has-been-unfair-ye-and-blames-his-behavior-being-stressed-out-over-his
And since Tim Pool is two-faced about whether he ever supported Occupy Wall Street, I'd say your mistrust is misplaced, though I really don't give a shit what you think of me.
So…. milo is now ‘neo Nazi’? Does Milo know that?
Wow. I've actually listened to the entire timcast episode as well as Tim's follow-up on his daily show. He has had Milo on before and has said multiple times that he thinks he's a genius (though also a vindictive narcissist.) That has nothing to do with condoning the man's opinions. He talked with Kanye before the show for a while and thought he was coherent and reasonable on most topics. To a degree, the man can't be too dumb considering his level of success. I personally don't know if Kanye is insane, dumb, or just gets very emotionally connected to certain things.
Pool and the other members of the podcast repeatedly denounced the antisemitism. They wanted to have the conversation on his views about it later and stick to news topics earlier in the episode. Kanye kept pushing and walking around the edges of Jewish conspiracies. I didn't catch Milo pushing that stuff but Fuentes (who I'm unfamiliar with) was echoing the sentiments. The conversation didn't go on long enough to flesh out the details of their thoughts because Kanye walked out after getting gentle pushback and rhe other two followed.
Don't use media matters as a source. Everything I have seen from them has been malignant misinformation. The episode exists. Watch for yourself
I'm sure a whole lot of Jesse Jackson right-or-wrong fans said the same thing about Calypso Louis Farrakhan's "Hitler was wickedly great" crap.
Well it didn't fly then and it won't fly now.
And Milo's support of compulsory Christianity cannot possibly bode well for Jews or any other Non-Christian and is perfectly cromulent with Nazism.
Media Matters may or may not be credible, but their source for Tim Pool's words is the same as yours. Tim Pool gives way to much credibility to people who don't deserve it to be some neutral observer.
Kanye is just saying the same things multiple artists have said before and been banned or canceled for it. Michael Jackson’s song: They don’t really care about us. Just because something is a conspiracy does not mean it’s false.
You’re right and what most people don’t understand is that Nick, Milo, and Kanye are intentionally provocative.
They say outrageous stuff to sell their brand, their merch, their stuff. They’re not ideologues; they’re opportunists.
I suspect that none of them believe the shit they espouse, but will keep spewing as long as it grabs headlines.
Well, it's a shitty way to sell products and gear!
At least Shaquille O'Neill, Rachael Ray, JoJo Siwa, and Ryan's World don't spew venom and hate and offer merchandise that actually help people do good and feel good for themselves and others.
Yeah, how about some specifics?
See above.
Milo Yiannopoulos, soon thereafter joined by fascist online personality and political commentator Nick Fuentes.
I don't know who Nick Fuentes is, I have a little more knowledge about Milo Yinininininopolis or whatever his name is. But you state "fascist" as if this is some kind of established trust-the-science fact. As of late, I'm starting to demand a little more out of my reporters and journalism than previously... and I notice you link to notorious 'rightwingwatch' as your 'citation'. What... exactly makes Nick Fuentes a "fascist". Does he advocate for the organizing of major industries under a government ministry, leaving them in private hands but directing the results of production towards national goals? Or does he just tweet mean things?
Does he advocate for the organizing of major industries under a government ministry, leaving them in private hands but directing the results of production towards national goals?
Fascism is a political ideology - not an economic one. You make the same mistake other conservatives do in an attempt to distance themselves from their sister ideology.
Doherty is correct in his usage.
Fascism is a political ideology – not an economic one.
Someone failed first-grade history.
He knows, he's just trying to be tricky.
"He knows, he’s just trying to be tricky
Naah. He's abysmally stupid and he's lying. It's what turd does.
Fascism is foremost a political ideology which exalts nation, race, heritage, and opposition to liberal democracy. Yet you try to shoehorn some "private hands/production" crap into the definition.
It is exactly why you Peanuts always misuse the term. You conservatives want to distance yourself from your right-wing fascist brethren.
Take the 'L'. It's more dignified.
Sure, when people think of what defined Nazi Germany they think of its industrial policy?
That is brutally stupid on your part.
Literally no one thinks that.
Are you also a Holocaust denier? Serious question.
Nazi Germany was fascist, but for a better look at fascism and how it operated, you have to look at Mussolini's Italy. The whole thing was corporatist in nature, big corporations (like we have today with Apple, Google, et.al.) working hand-in-hand with big government. The real fascists, in this case, are the Democratic Party.
Hitler's fascism was the economic policy be borrowed from Mussolini. The racist part of Hitler's government (which didn't exist in Mussolini's) was National Socialism. Take the 'L', it's more dignified.
Are you a Holocaust denier as well?
You certainly are protective of your fascist brethren.
FFS, no one was discussing the Holocaust here until you, in your very finite wisdom, brought it up. I strongly suggest you just take the "L" and walk away slowly with your tail between your legs. You are as ignorant of history as Alyssa Milano, dumping her Tesla for a vehicle made by a company actually founded by real Nazis.
But you are defending Fuentes and your Neo Nazi brothers - Proud Boys, Unite the Right, the Klan, and other right wingers.
Fascism is on the far right of the political spectrum. Only you uneducated Trump rednecks say something else.
Everyone like Doherty knows this. Write Doherty and tell him Fuentes is a leftist. Go ahead.
You really are retarded, aren't you. How many times did you fail history until they gave you a "D" for diploma to walk away?
Oh, and you do realize that antisemitism is a separate issue from fascism, don't you? Of all the fascist groups out there pre-WWII, only the Nazis espoused antisemitism. Mussolini, Franco, and Horthy did not espouse antisemitism, and Mussolini even went so far as to call them Italian first, Jews second. On the other hand, antisemitism could be found in many parts of Europe at the time, in France and in Poland, neither one of which was fascist. Does l'affaire Dreyfus ring a bell, dork?
"...Does l’affaire Dreyfus ring a bell, dork?"
If turd were capable of reading above the 3rd grad level, he might read this:
"Stalin's Last Crime: The Plot Against the Jewish Doctors, 1948-1953"
Or if he finds an old enough love interest, perhaps a kiddie could read it to him.
Franco was not even fascist, and he was happy to get rid of Spain's fascists. Fascism was a far more progressive, "I fuckin love science" type ideology which wanted to reform what it saw as old fashioned institutions, whereas Franco was all about restoring the traditional institutions (namely the Monarchy and the Church). Also, Admiral Horthy was pretty antisemitic and his regime sent many Jewish civilians (not just the communist partisans) to death camps. Elie Wiesel was one of Horthy's victims (but he survived).
Lol they’re obsessed with the holocaust. Funny how the people who call others holocaust deniers would likely deny the holodomor or the Armenian genocides. Both perpetrated by jews.
If he answered "no" you would call him a liar.
If he answered "yes" you would call him ignorant or a monster.
Do you really think politics and economics can be disconnected?
No wonder you're a pedo; the teachers must have kicked you out before you could either learn anything or diddle your classmates.
Fascism is from the Latin "fasci" (spelling) which means a bundle of sticks which bound together are stronger than any single one.
Race, religion, military, heritage, anti-liberalism, sexism, and economic policy are all subordinate parts.
You focus on economics to distract from the similarity to conservatism in the other parts.
You and Paul/Diane are not fooling anyone.
Well, no shit Fascism comes from the Latin "fasci". You do realize that Mussolini put Fascism in opposition to Liberalism (modern day classical liberalism), and put it in opposition to individualism.
Fascism is from the Latin “fasci” (spelling) which means a bundle of sticks which bound together are stronger than any single one.
"Stronger Together."
Diane Reynolds surely is not the first to "shoehorn", as you put it, an economic program into fascism. I believe some obscure political pundit named Mussolini did that sometime before 1920.
"You conservatives want to distance yourself from your right-wing fascist brethren."
You're the one who suckholes for one of the world's last living Nazi party members. You might want to do a little introspection before you start throwing that particular rhetorical grenade around.
You can attempt to redefine words all you want. None of it so. Also, you’re still an idiot pedophile Marxist.
You conservatives want to distance yourself from your right-wing fascist brethren.
Anyone who insists that all ideologies can be plotted along an eternally unchanging right-left axis is functionally retarded and their views should be dismissed out of hand.
You conflate advocates of free markets with totalitarian central planners because in your lentil-sized brain you see them both as 'away from you,' so therefore they must be on the same side together.
In the context of the time you could call fascism right wing in the sense that it preserved something of the capitalist class structure in contrast to Soviet communism, which at that time was considered the extreme left due to the perception of its extreme egalitarianism (which turned out to be a lie) and attempt at total eradication of the pre-existing social structure (which turned out to be impossible).
In the context of the broader left-right divide inherited from the French Revolution, fascism is a compromise between (theoretical) communism's total rejection of the state and the desire to preserve monarchy and the traditional class structure broadly speaking (which is what "right wing" actually means).
It has been famously observed that in the traditional sense there is actually no such thing as right wing American politics, as the United States is itself a manifestation of left wing politics. But if we're going to go with the traditional monarchist definition of "right wing" and then try to graft it onto American politics, then the progressives with their technocratic elitism and worship of the European aristocracy are far more "right wing" than Trump Republicans, and all of them, Democrat and Republican, are actually fascists who really do believe that economic activity should be nationalistic in focus, privately owned, capitalist, and directed by a central, expertise-oriented authority that also has a mandate to 'take care of the Workers.' The only things they really disagree on is what things should be produced, and who should receive the benefits.
conflate advocates of free markets with totalitarian central planners
A classic non-sequitur.
Fascism is a political system which exalts culture, heritage, race, and nation first and foremost.
You Peanuts in your ignorance keep attempting to tie it to an existing economic system. There are already names for those economic systems.
Every fascist from your genocidal maniac (Hitler) to Franco, Mussolini, and today to your MAGA types like Trump and Orban want national ethnic purity, closed borders, and Christo-Fascist laws.
"Orbán is a fascist" Budapest Beacon https://budapestbeacon.com/bokros-orban-fascist/
Conservatives all over the world are rejecting liberal globalist democracies in favor of NATIONALIST provincial ones where heritage and race are important.
It doesn't mean Orban, Trump, and new right movements are genocidal maniacs like Hitler. You just share the same anti-Semitic racist views (see Fuentes).
Right wing means "preferred class based on ethnic group or race".
Embrace your fascism. The world is shrinking and those "others" are taking over.
As a secular liberal capitalist open border type I am your enemy. Hayek and Ayn Rand are likewise your enemies because we reject conservatism and Christo-Fascism.
^this
Shreek, it’s pathetic to use a sock to make it appear as if you have any support. Even for you.
Sorry but Rand is closer to the other posters here than you. She correctly identified fascism as economically identical to socialism.
Nazi Ideology Before 1933 is the U. of Texas collection of translations that shows 9 out of 10 nazi founders were christian altruists. Goebbels' 1929 novel reinforces this, and it was Goebbels who feared Hitler had turned "reactionary" when he toned down plank 13 (nationalization of corporations) in response to Pharma generosity. This change occurred after Austria's 1929 narcotics law and in reaction to Bert Hoover's Narcotic Limitation efforts which collapsed German banks in summer 1931.
Okay grandpa.
Benito Mussolini created the Fascism movement and was congratulated by then NY governor FDR when he was elected to office.
The Nazis - the NSDAP (National SOCIALIST German worker Party) - were aligned with the Mussolini idea of how to manage capitalism to benefit the people. Both parties were also nationalists, but so were the Republicans and Democrats of the 1930s.
Fascists were progressives in that they wanted to advance a utopian society, based on the scientific fads of the day. They wanted to weaken the Church and other traditional institutions, and subordinate everything to the almighty State. The term Christo-fascism does not make sense in that context - just like the religious icons of Stalin in Russia make no sense to anyone who understands the respective ideologies.
So Catholic Adolf Hitler's National Socialist platform endorsed "Positive Christianity" to weaken what church exactly? Franco advertised "Caudillo de Dios" to attract Satanists?
As I've told Mother's Lament repeatedly, if Mussolini really wanted to weaken Christianity, he wouldn't have made Catholicism official and he could have easily beseiged Vatican City with his traffic patrol and his night watchman detail, then had all of Vatican City's wealth worldwide. And taking over Protestant sects in Italy would be a piece of Tiramisu Cake!
Distancing Fascism from Christianity is some weak-ass tea.
turd:
Fascism is a political ideology – not an economic one.
"Someone failed first-grade history."
Got to mention it's amusing watching those who know of where the speak trying to explain fascism to a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit like turd.
This is CATO 2012... back when they had a set of balls.
That's it, Jr, you just keep distancing yourself from Hillary Clinton all you want... as Jules from Pulp Fiction said: Your ass ain't talkin' your way outta this shit.
All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.
- Benito Mussolini
His quotes are most telling about what fascism really is.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
Davies and Lynch
"Fascism". Encyclopedia Britannica
So you take a third party's word and not from the originator of Fascism, himself, Benito Mussolini?
You really are retarded there, Pluggy. Take the "L" and walk away.
Lefties can call it whatever they want, but Hitler called it a Worker's Party and praised socialism in every speech.
...strong regimentation of society and the economy
What does the regimentation of the economy entail, oh wise one?
That's in addition to numerous quotes from American progressives and leftists about Mussolini, Hitler, and their ideologies.
he originated an economic system — economic fascism
That is an admission that Fascism is something else - much broader in scope - a POLITICAL system.
Wow, you have been trounced by a lowly buttplug. Join the crowd.
Take the 'L', it's more dignified.
Dude, take the "L". You lost, and will continue to lose, big time here. You're out of your depth. Go back to the kiddie pool.
Only ignoramuses think politics excludes economics.
Keep the source (SPB2) in mind. Ignoramus is his middle name and job title here.
Scholars place fascism on the far-right of the political spectrum.[4][8][9] Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[62] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be.
Fascism = MAGA.
Own it.
You really are a retard.
Fascism = Socialist Atheists just like you. Own it Pluggo.
God does not exist—religion in science is an absurdity, in practice an immorality and in men a disease.
- Benito Mussolini
So a blind, rabid squirrel finds a nut.
He still sucked up to the Catholic Church, made Catholicism the official religion of Italy, banned contraception and divorce, and still refused to seige Vatican City, even though he could have just with his traffic patrol and night watchman detail and had all of Vatican City's wealth worldwide.
The crowd that shot him should have shook him hanging upside down until his Atheist Card fell out and used the card as tinder!
"and still refused to seige Vatican City"
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Kiddie Raper, you lost. Now you’re just embarrassing yourself. As usual.
Stackelberg, a leftist born in Germany, has obvious biases.
An ideology that stated “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” I'm pretty sure that include economic organization. That would be a pretty significant thing to leave outside of the state's control.
I'm not going to insist that fascism is in every way a left-wing ideology. But it's certainly pretty far from American conservatism.
Conservatives can be nationalistic. So what we do is we take white-out to everything in the vast oil-painting of Fascism except the nationalistic part down in the lower right hand corner, hold that picture up to America-First Republicans and man, it sure looks a lot like Republicans. Therefore Republicans don’t like Jews. It’s like you don’t do logic, Zeb.
“Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.”
That fits the MAGA philosophy perfectly.
Make Aryans Great Again was Donnie's slogan.
America = code word for Aryan
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
When you are getting your ass kicked in chess - turn the board over to avoid humiliation!
Take the "L", it's more dignified as your ass is checkmated, motherfucker.
Scholars place fascism on the far-right of the political spectrum.[4][8][9] Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[62] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be.
You will forever be confused. Listen to people a lot smarter than you are.
Take the "L", dork. I've read the books; I've studied the history. Even Mussolini himself claims that fascism comes out of socialism. Many of the post-WWII scholars involved tended to be from the Left and wanted desperately to distance themselves from Fascism.
Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State.
- Benito Mussolini
For this I have been and am a socialist. The accusation of inconsistency has no foundation. My conduct has always been straight in the sense of looking at the substance of things and not to the form. I adapted socialisticamente to reality. As the evolution of society belied many of the prophecies of Marx, the true socialism folded from possible to probable. The only feasible socialism socialisticamente is corporatism, confluence, balance and justice interests compared to the collective interest.
- Benito Mussolini
Thank you for playing, Buttplug, but you lose. Take the "L" with dignity.
Mussolini said fascism is “of the right” on the political spectrum.
He hated socialism and democracy like conservatives do today. (Fine, socialism is terrible too) But democracy?
After socialism, Fascism trains its guns on the whole block of democratic ideologies, and rejects both their premises and their practical applications and implements. Fascism denies that numbers, as such, can be the determining factor in human society; it denies the right of numbers to govern by means of periodical consultations; it asserts the irremediable and fertile and beneficent inequality of men who cannot be leveled by any such mechanical and extrinsic device as universal suffrage. Democratic regimes may be described as those under which the people are, from time to time, deluded into the belief that they exercise sovereignty, while all the time real sovereignty resides in and is exercised by other and sometimes irresponsible and secret forces.
https://genius.com/Benito-mussolini-the-doctrine-of-fascism-annotated
It was inevitable that I should become a Socialist ultra, a Blanquist, indeed a communist. I carried about a medallion with Marx’s head on it in my pocket. I think I regarded it as a sort of talisman… [Marx] had a profound critical intelligence and was in some sense even a prophet.
- Benito Mussolini
Only Hitler wanted to go after Soviet Communism with gusto as a quirk of his own personality.
Even Mussolini himself claims that fascism comes out of socialism.
Yep. I'll just leave this here.
You know you're lying because we've had this argument before, but because you're a fifty-center you're hoping to trick some rando reading your comments.
I'm not going to let you.
The fact is the Nazi leaders praised socialism in every speech, their platform put socialism as the foundation of their economic policies and they nationalized most industry before the war even began.
Here are the relevant excerpts from their platform:
We demand therefore:
11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
The breaking of the slavery of interest
12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municipal orders.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly—if need be to sacrifice their very lives—to translate this program into action."
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-party-platform
To further put paid to your lies, Buttplug, here's a speech written by Goebbels for Hitler that explains why the Nazis are socialists. They then turned it into a pamphlet.
Why Are We Socialists?
We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.
Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!
The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.
The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.
We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.
Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeoisie and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.
We must therefore break both groups politically. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear.
We are against the political bourgeoisie, and for genuine nationalism!
We are against Marxism, but for true socialism!
We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature!
We are for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party!
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm
Now that's funny.
Some things don't fit neatly on a left-right spectrum. Some very smart people are fucking idiots.
ML straightened you out already. Have the good grace to thank him. Because what you really deserve is a state sanctioned execution for your pedophilia.
Take the 'L', it's more dignified.
Now you are just fantasizing. Maybe some MAGA enthusiasts fit your weird perceptions. But none that I have encountered.
On what planet did you figure that out, 'cause it sure as fuck isn't Earth? In case you forgot, and failed high school world history, I'll remind you that Mussolini's fascism was about a big government as big government can get. That is what we find with the Democrats and their collusion with big corporations, especially Big Tech.
Democrats, Mussolini, and Hitler don’t really differ much on policy. The main difference is who controls the levers of power.
Definitely not in line with American conservatism or libertarianism.
Fascism establishes the real equality of individuals before the nation… the object of the regime in the economic field is to ensure higher social justice for the whole of the Italian people… What does social justice mean? It means work guaranteed, fair wages, decent homes, it means the possibility of continuous evolution and improvement. Nor is this enough. It means that the workers must enter more and more intimately into the productive process and share its necessary discipline… As the past century was the century of capitalist power, the twentieth century is the century of power and glory of labour.
- Benito Mussolini
Note that he puts fascism in opposition to capitalism.
As a side note, it's rather interesting that Mussolini uses the term "social justice", not unlike a certain group of people on the Left calling themselves "Progressive" or "Woke".
Or, ironically, 'anfifa'.
That fascism is a religious variant of socialist collectivism is a testable hypothesis. Actual communists and socialist labor party socialists do not spell it out for fear of the First Amendment, but they clearly recognize their mystical socialist adversaries. Ayn Rand's recasting of both as mystics of muscle (materialist looters) and mystics of the mind (superstitious believers in looting) comes uncomfortably close to defining and distinguishing them down to several decimal places. Both concentrate in the bottom square of the Nolan Chart.
an open desire to impose his political will with violent force, under the guise
I decided to look at your 'violent force' umm, google docs link... and I'll take that set of unsourced quotes as things he actually said (and um, Reason has a little bit of a habit of retweeting and reposting out-of-context quotes, but I'm in a forgiving mood as we enter the holiday season). I just perused the first few and some sound like the idle musings of pretty much every left-wing AOC type I've pretty much ever meant. I sat at a dinner party in Seattle once right after the 2016 election and everyone was talking about assassinating the president. (hint: I didn't turn anyone in).
Brian, on a scale between 7 to 10, how badly did Trump break you?
Fuentes was the leader of the Proud Boys, and purportedly turned FBI informant to keep his own skin out of jail after Jan 6.
A guy with a last name of Fuentes is a White Nationalist? This is buttplugian levels of doublepseakery.
There is a whole nation of white people with Spanish names. Just sayin'.
The Philippines?
Nazis who moved to South America? The Boys from Brazil?
Like Raul Julia’s character in Moon Over Parador.
daisy fuentes was cuban
Did she make sandwiches?
No, she was on the Dukes of Hazzard.
She might have been part of a few Cuban sandwiches.
enrique tarrio is/was the leader of the proud boys
fuentes is a completely different, hispanic, white supremacist
Them white nationalists sure have a big tent.
Dammit, you're right. My misteak.
White Hispanic heh heh.
Many Argentinos are kinda proud of their non-slaver heritage. German Big Pharma was of course interested in any country bordering a waterway carrying cargo from Bolivia. What was the German battleship scuttled in the Battle of the River Plate? Java and Sumatra--even Formosa produced similar crops, but those fell under control of National Socialism's allies in the Far East.
I have no idea who Fuentes is either. Giving Reason far more credit than is due, the narrative that he's what they claim to be still runs far afoul of the usual "And then, for no particular reason at all, the German people elected Adolph Hitler". Giving Reason the precise amount credit that is due to them, I'd guess Fuentes is probably a first generation American who strayed from the reservation.
I have no beef with Doherty um... not liking this Nick Feuntes, or this flouncy gay guy Milo…
I don’t really follow characters like this– which is why I don’t flood the Reason comments with AOC tweets shouting “lol, check this out”. It’s the “fascist, It Is Known” tone to the article that I take issue with. Doherty is old enough to know better. The constant screech of “fascist” has really lost any meaning.
And to get all “bowf sidez” on everyone, I never liked it when people accused *checks notes* Hillary Clinton was a “marxist”. She may be sympathetic with its rhetoric at some level: social justice, equity etc, but she is an actual Fascist. While she certainly wouldn’t don the “nationalist” hat– except if it benefitted her personally, she is the classic, modern, neoliberal definition of Fascism. There is a laser-like focus on “public/private” partnerships where the nation’s largest industries’ efforts are to be driven towards national goals.
I’m kind of a stickler for words having meaning and stuff.
Where does today's call from the white house for other tech companies to take action to block the "growing hate and calls to violence on Twitter"?
Seems to be a clear "Operation Chokepoint" reference. There have simultaneously been calls for a "parlor" treatment of Twitter... removal from the app stores, blocking hosting, unbanking.
The left clearly views even a single mainstream information source that is not under complete control of the party as an existential threat.
"....nothing against the state"
I’m kind of a stickler for words having meaning and stuff.
Yeah, somewhere between "somebody like that should be taken out back and shot" and "I wouldn't even rape you." being considered 'true threats' I stopped giving a damn about people who don't bring receipts, unredacted and in hardcopy.
If someone legitimately took out a contract and paid for you to be beaten up, bring the cashed check. Otherwise, Jussie.
For what it’s worth, Milo claimed a few years ago that he’s accepted Jesus and no longer is gay.
I don’t believe that, but he said it.
You’re not wrong. Both the Clinton and Biden crime families have no real political ideology. Marxism is useful to their accumulation of wealth ad power. I’ve often said if Hillary Clinton saw conservatism and the Republican Party as a clear pathway to the presidency, that she would take it.
That’s a lot of words for a paragraph that starts with an admission of not knowing much.
Fascist.
Oh, yeah, I’m totally a fascist.
You really are in many, many ways.
You finally admit it.
Will you stop this "I don't know who..." and "I don't know what..." shit when the answers are easily available!? You're as bad a Sealion as Mike! It makes you sound like Biden with his Jitterbug phone!
Would you please understand that your comments are wothless without a pull-quote?
And may well be anyhow.
You know even less. With your Wikipedia links.
When did Reason get so racist?
Slurring a Jew, a Black, and a Hispanic all in one "fascist" swoop!
Funny. I'm old enough to remember when Reason hated Marxists.
They had libertarian writers at one point too.
“But you state “fascist” as if this is some kind of established trust-the-science fact.”
Oh Hell, there you go getting all objective truthy and shit.
This is Doherty you are addressing, not anyone interested in any classically liberal notions of free inquiry or rational judgement. He’s a leftist who does not believe of support a whit of that.
This article is nothing more than a display of featly towards the hive mind. A bending of the knee to the Narrative as it were.
The little bit I heard from Fuentes in this podcast suggests to me that he is antisemitic. They didn't get into political philosophy or such enough for me to really come away with what his positions are. Never seen or heard anything else from the guy outside of Reason's assertions that he is a bad guy. The guy came across as an asshole to me, so I'm willing to believe some of what is said of him, but a news outlet should show the tweets or link to videos for proof
OK, so some guy no one has heard of and some guy who hasn't been in the public eye much for years are encouraging a mentally ill rapper to further beclown himself in public for as long as his current manic episode lasts.
You forgot the part were Ye loses a sizeable fortune to these clowns as this is just another grift. 5 years from now he'll be declaring defcon 10 on white nationalists.
^
Bing!
That mixture is probably best characterized as Christo-fascism:
Unfortunately this has become the largest voting bloc of the Republican Party today.
Except that it doesn't exist outside of demagogic rants from unhinged lefties looking to utilize hate.
The only actual, genuine fascism being peddled nowadays is coming from the blue checks. Corporatist economics, racial politics, censorship, bookburning, eugenics, antisemitic tirades, Aktion T4, Kirchenkampf, the whole package.
And the White House. They did orchestrate another threat to Twitter and Elon Musk today, using a willing allie from the press.
I had a willing Allie back in high school. She was hot. And had a lot of daddy issues. I miss having a willing Allie.
"Except that it doesn’t exist outside of demagogic rants from unhinged lefties looking to utilize hate."
= turd.
Cite?
"joined by fascist online personality and political commentator Nick Fuentes."
You know what, go fuck yourself, Doherty.
I'm not familiar with Nick Fuentes, he could be the incarnation of Goebbels for all I know.
But when your citation is a twitter left-wing extremist troll account, posting video of a guy obviously joking about being an involuntary celibate Aryan supremacist, I know I'm being gaslit.
That really pisses me off.
Seriously, go fuck yourself.
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Since Ye issued his since-deleted "death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE" tweet in October...
I thought it was defcon 3. Anyway, 3 out of 5 seems embarrassingly mid.
ong, ngl, ngl, fr fr
Defcon 1 is actually the most serious state. 5 is pretty much "peace".
it's like nobody saw Wargames around here.
Getaloadof Brother Maynard and his brother quoting the Book of Armaments over here!
When Ally Sheedy was hawt.
Apparently he did say deathcon. Pretty sure it was just him not really knowing/understanding the term
people who use the word "fascist" with a straight face anymore... it's painful to watch
They're all learning from Putin.
As a musician and fashion mogul, Ye had a far brighter and smarter sense of how to find high-quality people to work with than he seems to with politics; it goes without saying that it's depressing to see the greatest pop artist of the century become a bottom-feeding fascist presidential candidate
It's all so much cooler when we cheer on pop artists who align themselves with Leon Trotsky.
.. the greatest pop artist of the century..
I think that isn’t true.
Michael Jackson was a friend of mine, and you're no Michael Jackson.
Which century?
Whichever one, Ye still wouldn't be top of my list.
I never liked his music. Or that genre overall.
Giving Kanye West one second of thought is one second too many.
How bout that World Cup?
take Holland +3 on Saturday lol.
Fuentes isn't a fascist, he's an idiot. A young idiot. One who should be ignored. As for Milo, he's a troll and a damn good one.
but his example may help the modern Republican right decide more sharply where they stand, or at least how far in the direction of white nationalist fascism the American electorate is prepared to go.
Are we woke?
We all know that 'Ye' is the son of a Black Panther, right?
Who in US politics (or politics anywhere) isn’t at least allied with fascists?
These questions mean very little unless you can get everyone to agree on a definition of "fascist".
Of course. I also imagine it is a continuum rather than a binary thing. Comment sections aren't a place for long form discussion so we have to take a lot of short cuts in what we posit.
Less of a continuum than you might think. Fascism was defined by anti-capitalism, racial classification, collectivism, social and economic justice, rejection of traditional Christianity, and total state power over all aspects of life. This is, and has always been, almost exclusively the ideology of the American left: Democrats and progressives. It's their mainstream political program today.
And you can't be much on a "continuum" on these issues.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
Wikipedia is spot on and supported by notes 1,2,3.
It is perfect.
Wait, you claimed this same quote was Britanica below.... what's up with that? Did someone copy paste to Wikipedia?
Anyway, it is a pretty weak definition. Any real definition of fascism must center on the method of control of the means of production. This is the primary distinction between Stalinist communism and contemporaneous Fascism.
Even grade school kids know better than to cite Wikipedia.
Yeah, well, give turd another couple of tries at 3rd grade.
subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
There you go. That's socialism and central economic control. Fuck off with your nonsense if you won't accept correction.
My 1945 Political Dictionary wastes about 30 lines trying NOT to recognize fascism as fanatical Christian Socialism. Even Orwell ducked the explicit definition that fits the facts. But all collectivist dogmas endorse altruism. German Gott Mitt Uns collectivism, like its Spanish and Italian variants, loves Baby Jesus. To this day mystical superstition is the one thing that distinguishes "right" looters from "left" looters. Father Coughlin, Silver Shirts, American Nazis... love crucifixes and swastikas alike.
This gets down to poli sci. Why did Britain go to war with China in 1840? Poppy goo. After China boycotted US products, TR and Taft pushed for a global planned economy on opium. Germany led the world in opiate production and unsurprisingly saw WW1 as a preferable alternative. That backfired, and when Herbert Hoover pressed for Limitation of Narcotic Production, Germany's economy collapsed, Big Pharma donated to the Nazis and rearmament replaced war reparations in the budget. Nazis forgot all about nationalizing Krupp and Bayer.
It's so far right it was invented by leftists.
Can we agree that Mussolini and Hitler were fascists?
Well, then the answer is clear: both historically and ideologically, American Democrats and progressives, and their ideologies, were most closely and identifiably associated with European fascism of the first half of the 20th century.
Of course. And I have my own idea of what it means, and it's definitely fairly akin to American progressivism (especially the early 20th century type, they didn't even pretend otherwise) and far from American conservatism in most ways. I don't think it fits well into left/right dichotomy, but it's not very right in the contemporary American sense. If you are talking the European right, I think there is a bit more of a connection.
You are the type that would defend the Confederacy as just a battle to defend their states rights and they were just freedom-loving slaveowners that loved Jesus and voted Republican.
Conservatism is based on bullshit. Ayn Rand rightly called Reagan an "enemy of freedom".
Look at the Islamo-fascists - very conservative. You are the same - just a different shitty old book that you derive your laws from.
Every conservative I have ever met or listened to is a goddamn Bible-beater. Even Buckley admitted conservatism was rooted in religion. Conservatism is the movement to hold back Humanism.
Us classic liberals will outlast conservatism because we elevate Humans over the dusty old mullahs and preachers that you guys love so much.
“Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
― Denis Diderot
They tried Diderot's formula in many places, like Spain or Russia, but it didn't lead to more freedom. It led to far less freedom and far more human suffering. It turns out that the Monarchy and the Church protected people from utopian excesses in Europe, after all.
Well, you would have a hard time being more wrong about me.
I mean, he’s wrong about nearly everything else, so it tracks.
which one's the douchebag who decorated wall behind him with the guitar and sword?
It is kind of a weird choice of backdrop. That's the star of the show, Tim Pool, if that's what you are asking.
yes. smacks of effort.
Tim Pool is the far left Podcaster who had a falling out with the democrats and became libertarian adjacent but still far left but completely outside of the mainstream and basically somewhere between red pilled and black pilled.
I think he at one time described himself as a communist, but I am not 100% on that. Maybe anarchist?
Yeah, he's some kind of disaffected lefty. I don't know the details. I only occasionally watch him when he has someone interesting on. I do appreciate honest lefties willing to go against the grain.
I honestly think he's a bit of a grifter. He's constantly forecasting the downfall of Democrats and the political left, and you can't really find much in his viewpoint that really sympathizes with Democrats. He tells a lot of conservatives just what they want to hear, like predicting that Trump would win 42 states in 2020 (or some ridiculous number), and then constantly predicting the election lawsuits were going to win. And he tries to play the "I'm a former Democrat" card to give himself an air of authenticity but I think it comes off hollow.
I used to watch him and I probably am subscribed to his youtube channel but I've stopped buying his schtick. He's supposedly a former Occupy Wall Street guy but seems to be completely in love with Trump...probably because Trump stuff boosts his own numbers.
"I honestly think he’s a bit of a grifter. "
I tend to agree. Which points up the terribly hilarious irony of it all.
The Nazi and the Communist street fighters of 1930's Germany were effectively two sides of the same political coin fighting to control the public square.
And here today we get Doherty being paid to go after Pool, albeit in a relatively bloodlessly manner, but for entirely the same reasons.
Two sides of the same coin fighting to control the narrative.
The best description that I heard of Tim Pool's position at one point was Radical Moderate. Overall, the middle standing libertarian-leaning side seems to be a wise one.
However, the abuse he's gotten from both sides seems to have made him significantly more bitter recently. I hope his art and music projects pan out to relax him a bit.
The only time I hear of Nick Fuentes is when someone is denouncing him as among the worst living humans. Otherwise, I do not know him from Cain.
Kanye West seems to be a person with emotional issues who is off his meds and whose personal life has taken a turn for the worse. His political aspirations do not seem to be much of anything other than weird celebrity gossip.
This is pretty comprehensive for someone who completely misses what is happening here.
House inhabit has the foundation you need to untangle this mess
https://jessicareedkraus.substack.com/
She covers pop culture and played a big role in the Brittney Spears amancipation campaign. In it she details a cottage industry of predators who surround wealthy and vulnerable people and siphon away their money using the legal and mental health systems.
Quite a while ago she detailed how the same people who stole a substantial majority of Brittney Spears fortune were targeting Kanye West.
The story is unbelievable... except that she called the shots before they happened. A good writer could synthesize a heck of a story out of this stranger-than-fiction cabal.
Simultaneously, Milo had some sort of falling out with Trump - did he expect a cabinet appointment? - and publicly declared that he would devote his life to destroying Trump.
This explains this "bad optics dinner" completely.
So we have Ye being targeted by multiple groups seeking to take advantage of his obvious mental issues.. and much of his paranoia is definitely justified by well documented threats coming from all around him, making him an even easier target for Milo and his cohort.
“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.”—Joseph Heller
...except that the Pool interview utterly shat on that.
In the brief discussion they had, Kanye said that Trump had no clue who Nick was and that Milo brought he and Ye together.
Maybe you could link to the exact article. The front page of her sub stack doesn’t let me go inside.
I had a thought the other day when this broke out, of Britney Spears and what was done to her, and wondered if there was something similar happening here to West.
So Tim Pool is a fascist now?
Funny how some far-left Occupy Wall Streeters became fascists when they failed to follow the Democratic party line on corporatism and censorship.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
"Fascism". Encyclopedia Britannica
The phrase "far right" is a descriptor that conveys no real information. Just what does it mean?
It means whatever the Left wants it to mean at any particular moment in history. The concept of Left versus Right didn't even exist until the French Revolution, and even then, it still doesn't quite fit politics. We're libertarians here for Pete's sake, we don't look at politics as a spectrum of just right versus left, but also libertarianism versus authoritarianism. And quite frankly, the authoritarian aspects of Fascism and Communism outweigh any debate between right or left.
"The phrase “far right” is a descriptor that conveys no real information. Just what does it mean?"
For Shrike? Free speech fascists like Greenwald, Musk, Peterson, Rogan, etc. Sure they were all liberals just five years ago, but they didn't evolve with the party.
Just what does it mean?
Near as I can tell it just means "person I don't like."
Pretty much.
It means "anybody who rejects progressivism and democratic socialism". Democrats and progressives use this interchangeably with "fascist" and "reactionary". It's a léger de main based on the post-WWII attempt to misrepresent fascism as far removed from socialism/communism as possible, instead of actually being its nearly identical twin.
The irony, of course, is that Democrats and progressives are, and have always been, ideologically closest to fascism.
Jews vote for Democrats because Republicans are where all the anti-Semitic NAZI types go.
Like Ilhan Omar?
The democrat party is extremely anti semitic. The Republican Party supports Israel. And you don’t support Israel if you hate Jews. The democrat party hates Israel.
So your support for the democrats telegraphs your underlying antisemitism. You just project this on this on good conservatives and libertarians to draw attention away from your bigotry and pedophilia.
Shrike: “Fascism”. Encyclopedia Britannica
But in reality:
“The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.”
“Fascism” – Adolph Hitler
turd looked far and wide to find some source, ANY source, which he could claim 'agrees' with his lies, and all he got was 'far right'.
Pathetic pile of shit, ain't he?
Only in America, I suppose, can an alleged white nationalist be "consigliere" on a political campaign to make a black man president.
A Hispanic and a Greek Jew consiglere, actually.
LOL here comes Reason trying to steal all four bases and slander black people for being white supremacists, or at least 'adjacent'.
I would vote for Kanye over another Biden term any day of the week. The Social Democrat is ruining this country.
If nothing else, West wouldn't be able to get away with anything. The only way we can trust a president is if there is strong media opposition.
I do wonder if technology and social media have led to people (such as "Ye") becoming literally detached from reality.
Extremely wealthy and famous people becoming detached from reality in their own bubble is a much older problem than social media. Just look at people like Howard Hughes, Phil Spector, or Michael Jackson.
Ask the Reason staff that question.
Milo Yiannopoulos and Nick Fuentes hold some reprehensible opinions, but that doesn't make them "fascist".
The Democrats and their program are mainstream fascism in America, with strong overlap to the 1920's European fascist parties and ideologies. Nor is this anything new: Democrats have been fascist leaning for more than a century, with European fascists actually basing much of their program on the US Democrats, the KKK, and the US progressive movement.
The Democrats and their program are mainstream fascism in America, with strong overlap to the 1920’s European fascist parties and ideologies.
And they have adopted the German brand of national socialist racialism and eugenics, too. They really are the total package.
Yes, Ye is black.
Ye will run with Steve Martin as his veep candidate. Steve Martin was born a poor black man and overcame that to become a white banjo-playing comedian. Ye was of course born a middle-class Chinese spy who overcame that to become a white supremacist rapper.
It will be the most inspiring pair of politicians since......
This Kanye trumpanzee might suffice to turn even Dave Chappelle into a Clayton Bigsby white supremacist.
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Fascism, Nazism, socialism, communism are from the same left-wing lineage. Fascism is 'right' on that spectrum and all live in a yellow submarine.
They're all ideologies for cunts.
Blankly declaring someone 'fascist' these days is low-hanging fruit and all too easy and common.
It would seem to me the Biden administration demanding online monitoring in collusion with social media tech is textbook fascism. More than the people mentioned in the article.
If Mr. Doherty can point me to a clip of Nick Fuentes... where, when asked if he has a coherent philosophy he answered, "Well, we're all trained fascists" then I'd give Mr. Doherty a nod on these statement-as-fact assertions.
Mr. Doherty might be perfectly well within reason to call Fuentes right-wing. Ultra right-wing. Super-duper-califragilisticexpialidocious right-wing. Racist. Nationalist. Xenophobic. But a "fascist" is kind of a specific thing.
But I could be wrong, perhaps Mr. Doherty was able to corner Mr. Fuentes in an alleyway, slam him against the wall and yanked his wallet from his back pocket and viola! inside there was a "Fascist" membership card.
Dumbass Rufus is back.
Write Doherty, millions of academics and journalists, millions of political scientists and tell them that fascism is really a left wing ideology.
Go ahead. You and the other desperate conservatives on here.
95% of the world knows that fascism is right wing. The other 5% is your ilk trying to tie it to the left.
Now Communism (everyone is equal) is a left-wing horror show.
But fascism (my group is better than those "others") is classic right wing.
So what? Why does it matter if you call it left or right? It's collectivist, socialist and authoritarian.
Ergo, "the same thing" as recognized by English writers in the thick of things. Orwell was appalled at the broad-mindedness with which Americans dismissed both variants of altruist collectivism. Henry Miller's indifference to the fate of the world left Orwell reeling with shock. Soon Orwell, not Miller, was reeling from being shot through the neck.
Nice to see you again, Canadian.
So, just to be completely clear, "fascists" are people who say words we're supposed to not like, but who have never actually taken any actions that harmed anyone?
It's always good to get these sorts of things clearly defined.
smearing an every adherent of a certain religion
Only fascists do that.
This is far beyond turd's level, but if you really want to understand the similarities, Pipes "Russin Revolution" and Tooze "Wages of Destruction" will fill in the blanks and make for some educational reading besides.
Both the Commies and the Nazis were avowedly socialist, but differed somewhat in that the USSR intended to export socialism to other countries, while the Nazis supposedly were only interested in "national" socialism, but intended to expand that by conquering other nations.
Regardless of global intents, the practices of both the USSR (in the first 8 or so years) and the Nazis, from Hitler's election until the war, were almost in lock-step. Lenin did not nationalize the entire economy immediately, nor did Hitler, but they both planned to do so: The Goering Steelworks were not owned by Goering, and VW was never intended as a private company.
And while Hitler's anti-semetism was more overt, such was not lacking in the USSR, regardless of the many Jews in the power structure.
Not to worry; Lenin and Stalin were more catholic in their mass-murdering efforts, Hitler simply more focused.
turd can be excused here; you have to do some research to dig under what they told you in the 3rd grade, and turd has not gotten past that grade level
Someone whose youtube rant culminates in Americans sitting on cloths in a Middle Eastern bazaar selling rocks and cockroaches on sticks need not be a 23 year old crackhead on steroids, but that's the way the sane money bets.
Oh, good, Reason has joined the ranks of people who don't know what the word "fascist" means.
Hint: It means something other than "people I strongly disagree with." It even means something other than "reactionary right-wingers I disagree with." And it even means something other than "racist" or "anti-semite."
Yes
It means private ownership of the means, but government control of the ends
Which is pretty much where the Biden administration sits
Which is not to say that Kanye West is a good guy. Just a normal politician
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
You're another dumbass, Harpua.
We already have our quota of Trumptard dumbasses.
The many meanings of fascism that people really intend requires use of a dictionary:
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
3. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
4. a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government; -- opposed to democracy and liberalism.
5. an authoritarian system of government under absolute control of a single dictator, allowing no political opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism.
6. Specifically, the Fascist movement led by Benito Mussolini in Italy from 1922 to 1943.
7. broadly, a tendency toward or support of a strongly authoritarian or dictatorial control of government or other organizations; -- often used pejoratively in this sense.
8. A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. Originally only applied (usually capitalized) to Benito Mussolini's Italy.
-- The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
None of these definitions use the political spectrum concepts of "left" or "right" for the obvious reason that those concepts themselves have multiple meanings. Operational definitions work. "Far X" definitions don't work since they replace one unmoored definition with another unmoored definition.
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"Far Right"
You are dumb enough to believe that fascists are right wing.
The Nazis were quite literally Nationalist Socialists
That would put them on the left part of the spectrum
Stop gaslighting buttplug
There he is. Some were worried Sarah had left you after the Libertarian candidate STILL wrecked her chances of working for the Grabbers Of Pussy by five times the gap in spoiler votes.
Never forget, turd lies.
It means Ukrainians?
When Hitler was annexing other countries, jurisdictions like Ukraine were inhomogeneously eager at first to side with Satan himself for a chance to kill commies. Winston Churchill endorsed a mirrored position after Germany attacked the soviets. Communists, like the sobbing, butthurt Trumpanzees that haunt these comments, see any hesitation to side with them in a rampage of slaughter as an unholy alliance, confraternization, collaboration with "The" Enemy.
Fascism means religious socialism. The 1920 Hitler platform endorsed "Positive Christianity" and his speeches are kept out of print because they echo like the Billy Graham Crusade. Franco prided himself "God's Own Caudillo" and Mussolini signed a treaty with the Pope to make catechism classes mandatory in government schools. Hitler painted a Madonna with Child in 1913 which Trumpanzees interpret as predicting the Second Coming of an orange-haired ginger Baby Jesus.
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It's his right. Freedom of speech, freedom of association and the Fascist party is not outlawed in the US. He is a joke that isn't going anywhere. I support the rule of law, even when it protects people I don't like or even despise.
You are right on all counts, and it is equally everybody else's freedom of speech and association to say that Ye, Milo, Nick, and Tim all suck and don't deserve a moment or Cent of support.
You know who else ran for president from jail?
Fascist, Nazi, blau blau blau.
This is like calling a lizard an alligator.
Nick, Ye, Milo...All douche bags, simple as that. No need to make mice into monsters.
How about some real reporting. I would love to see an honest piece on how Joe Biden used US Aid money to bribe the Ukrainian president to fire the PG that was investigating the business his son was working for.
This has been a fantastic thread. It’s been a while since I’ve seen shrike get curb stomped so hard. The guy just does not give up and completely proved his rank as the dumbest motherfucker to post here.
Yet another talking head who uses the term Fascist without knowing its definition…