Court to Girl: You Have To Wait 2 Years To Comfort Your Father as He Dies. And We're Killing Him Next Week.
Missouri law bans those under 21 from witnessing executions. Despite attempts to challenge the law, 19-year-old Khorry Ramey will be barred from attending her father's execution on Tuesday.

A federal court ruled on Friday that 19-year-old Corionsa "Khorry" Ramey cannot witness her father's execution, concluding that a Missouri law banning anyone under 21 from witnessing an execution does not violate the young woman's constitutional rights.
"I'm heartbroken that I won't be able to be with my dad in his last moments," Ramey said in an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) press release. "My dad is the most important person in my life. He has been there for me my whole life, even though he's been incarcerated."
Kevin Johnson, Ramey's father, is set to be executed on Tuesday for the 2005 murder of Kirkwood, Missouri, police officer William McEntee. While Johnson's attorneys have filed recent motions in an attempt to save his life—with one appeal alleging that racism contributed to his sentencing—the chance that Johnson will be spared is slim.
"The surviving victims of Johnson's crimes have waited long enough for justice, and every day longer that they must wait is a day they are denied the chance to finally make peace with their loss," the Missouri Attorney General's Office wrote in a petition to the Supreme Court, arguing against attempts to halt the execution.
Missouri law bars those under 21 from witnessing executions. The ACLU filed a motion on Ramey's behalf on November 21, arguing that the state law preventing the 19-year-old from witnessing her father's execution was "without any rational relationship to a legitimate governmental or penological interest" and "violates the U.S. Constitution's guarantee of equal protection of the laws under the Fourteenth Amendment, and the right of freedom of association under the First Amendment."
In response to the complaint, the state argued that there were four main reasons for the age restriction. First, the state claimed the law prevents young adults from witnessing death. Second, citing that teenagers are more likely to act out during proceedings, the law apparently maintains "the solemnity and decorum of the execution." Third, the law supposedly guarantees that those witnessing the execution are mature enough to comprehend the events. And fourth, the law prevents security threats from "impulsive and unpredictable" young adults.
On Friday, a federal judge ruled in favor of the state, finding that, while the law could cause emotional harm to Ramey, the harm was neither "irreparable" nor a violation of her constitutional rights. Further, the ruling found that Missouri held "a substantial interest in the sovereignty of its criminal law enforcement."
"We are extremely disappointed in the decision upholding this irrational and illogical law, which only serves to gratuitously punish Ms. Ramey," Corene Kendrick, deputy director of the ACLU National Prison Project and a lawyer for Ramey, said in the release. "Compounding her pain and grief by barring her from being with her father will do nothing to provide closure or healing to anyone else."
While perhaps constitutionally valid, Missouri's age restriction for execution witnesses is arbitrary, the primary effect of which is pointless cruelty toward death-row inmates and their families. Despite being a legal adult, this 19-year-old is being denied the ability to be with her father in his final moments. And ironically, Missouri believes that Johnson should be executed for a crime he committed at 19, yet is denying his 19-year-old daughter the ability to witness his execution by appealing to her supposed lack of maturity and responsibility.
"He is a good father, the only parent I have left," Ramey said. "He has worked very hard to rehabilitate himself in prison. I pray that Governor Parson will give my dad clemency."
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Nineteen years old. Old enough to vote. Old enough to join the military, or, if needed, to be drafted. I sense a disconnect.
But no beer or smokes.
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Or firearms, in some states.
Or handguns
Or handguns. [Edit nevermind, I didn't scroll far enough past the spam to see that I duplicated others.]
I sense a disconnect.
They should be disconnected. Being old enough to be a soldier; old enough to vote; old enough to contract; old enough to assume debts; old enough to marry; old enough to drive; old enough to purchase alcohol; etc.; are all different and unrelated things. There's no rational reason to impose a uniform age restriction on all.
i say if you are an adult able to make your own decisions..... you are an adult ready to make your own decisions. even those we allow people to do before they turn 18, like driving, require the written consent of a parent.
where we draw the line for being an adult may be arbitrary.... but it should be consistent.
And I would say making it consistent IS arbitrary.
Some degree of arbitrariness is impossible to avoid when you want to restrict things by age. Otherwise, you need to assess every individual's actual maturity and ability one by one.
The way I look at it, treating minors differently from adults is kind of a trade off. Young people don't get to do anything they want, but they also don't get held responsible for what they do in the same way. Anything other than a clear age when that arrangement ends is way too complicated and has too much potential for abuse. Even if it is arbitrary.
That would be grossly unfair. There's no reason to deny a driver's license to a teen just because they're not old enough to serve in Congress—or vice versa. Age restrictions can't be tailored to individuals, but relating them to general levels of maturity is not that complicated.
adult... or not adult....
are you able to make your own decisions and be held accountable for them. it makes zero sense to say someone is an adult when it comes to a/b/c but not x/y/z. if you want the parents to make the decision for them and allow them to do something, like we do with driving, that is one thing. but what we are talking about is that hard line where you legally are treated as an adult, and where mommy and daddy can no longer tell you what you can and can't do.
Nonsense. Old enough to drive a car = old enough to be a senator? Because adult or not adult? That's ridiculous.
you seem deliberately determined to miss the fact that "old enough to drive a car" does not mean you have any legal right to drive a car. to get a license before you turn 18 you need explicit permission from your parents, who accept full responsibility for letting you drive. you have no rights and are not considered an adult in any way until you are 18. those things kids are allowed to do earlier are only with the explicit permission and accepted responsibility of the parents.
as for being a senator, i really could not care less about that BS red herring. i say the voters get what they deserve and would not care at all if the age limits were removed. the question here is when is someone legally an adult accountable for their own actions, not when they achieve the full wisdom of age.
What do you think the voting age should be? Or the age that people should be able to bypass parental consent for "gender-affirming treatment"? Or being able to purchase handguns? Rifles and shotguns? Getting drafted? Borrowing money that *they* would be responsible for? Signing contracts? Going to adult prison for adult crimes? Being responsible for their own health insurance instead of riding on mommy&daddy's coverage?
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25, 18, 21, 21, 19, 21, 21, 19, 23.
Not that I am in favor of “gender-affirming treatment”, the draft, long prison sentences, or government dictating the terms of insurance policies.
I consider political things different. I have no problem with making the voting age 30 or something. I'm probably being too simplistic above. Sure, driving at 16 seems pretty reasonable. But for most things I still say, pick a number 18, 21, whatever. Though I'd argue that there is a danger of extending childhood too far. We should be encouraging 18-21 year olds to grow up more, not less.
In any case, I see no compelling state interest in a blanket prohibition on people under 21 witnessing executions.
"There’s no rational reason to impose a uniform age restriction on all."
None?
None that you can thing of?
Or none that you deem acceptable?
Because I can think of plenty, not the least of which being the greater possibility that a younger person might tend to come unglued at such a moment.
Which brings us back to the key underlying element here. The justice system has, and should have little concern for the interests of the relatives of the convict.
She has visitation, no? So she can say goodbye a little early. Meanwhile her dad, due to circumstances of his own creation is otherwise fully under the control of the state. That she cannot be present at his passing is more on him than on anyone else.
Old enough to be a soldier and kill someone, but not old enough to witness a death – _that_ is inconsistent and irrational.
But now not old enough, federally, to buy a rifle. With that clear right infringed, the prohibition on witnessing her father's execution is a long reach into the 14th amendment. Yet, she should be unimpeded in her witnessing.
There’s no disconnect. This cow is trying to use her age to delay a murderer’s execution.
Hmmm. Did she ask for that in her lawsuit? No?
Then you’re full of shit.
Shame on you for calling her a cow. Whatever you think of why her father did what he did, the daughter has done nothing wrong. Better to be a cow than a braying jackass.
“Did she ask for that in her lawsuit?”
Don’t be dense.
Delay would be the natural and entirely foreseeable consequence of her suit going forward.
Something something-or-other are not unintended something-or-other.
Libertarianism, how the fuck do you do that?
Heard the special prosecutor? Whining cunt Ed Keenan says poor black cop killer is being put to death because he's black,not that he killed a cop. It's all racist! Only thing racist about this is this black animal killed a White man.
Boo fking hoo. Go see the cops kids cops wife they can tell you how it is.
He shot a police officer sitting in his patrol car in front of little kids.
“Sergeant William McEntee was shot and killed after responding to complaints about fireworks being set off in an apartment complex on Alsobrook Street.
When he arrived at the scene, he began speaking with a 13-year-old boy while still seated in his patrol car. A subject unrelated to the original call approached the patrol car from the passenger side and opened fire, striking Sergeant McEntee several times. His patrol car then traveled a short distance and crashed into a tree. The subject approached the patrol car again and shot Sergeant McEntee several more times.”
https://www.odmp.org/officer/17807-sergeant-william-leo-mcentee
Edit: Link
Reason always finds the most sympathetic cases.
Emma Camp is clearly an idiot.
Irrelevant. Age restriction laws are arbitrary or they aren't. Doesn't matter the circumstances.
Entirely relevant. This guy is in his circumstance due to his own actions. The state is under no obligation to his family.
And age restriction laws are not arbitrary!
Thanks I was just about the post the same story.
The "other side" to this drama.
It's Reason. The "other side" is the one you read to figure out wtf is actually going on.
A police officer who had murdered his brother shortly before.
No, but thanks for trying.
"McEntee was in his car talking to a 13-year-old boy about a fireworks disturbance when Johnson approached the passenger’s side of the car, fired several shots and walked away.
The wounded McEntee drove off but crashed about 200 feet away. With help from neighbors, while others called 911, McEntee was able to get out of the car. He was on his hands and knees when Johnson walked up and shot him twice more — in the back and in the back of the head. In all, McEntee was hit seven times.
Officials said Johnson, who was 19, ambushed McEntee in anger because he felt police officers hadn’t done enough to help when his brother collapsed and died of a congenital heart condition earlier that day."
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/execution-date-set-for-man-who-killed-kirkwood-policeman-in-2005/article_afac0cff-b49a-5f50-96cb-dbe3c69f93ab.html
By "hadn't done enough to help," the corporate press means that the cops deliberately refused to allow his brother to receive any medical attention and just stepped over him like he was garbage as he lay dying.
You were there?
A police officer who had murdered his brother shortly before.
Note he also lied that this particular officer was the police in question. Left wingers lie with impunity because there are no consequences for any behavior committed to further leftism. The more unreasonably extreme you are the more satisfied they are yo don't have a single disagreement that may later prevent their preference.
Bill Ayers literally killed people and was given a lifetime sinecure, then an executive position handing out hundreds of millions of dollars to support left wing extremism, and was feted by the NYT. All of this happened because he killed people to advance leftism, not despite doing so. This is who they are.
His brother died of natural causes.
Due to the police allowing him no medical attention while stepping over his seizing body. His 12 year old body.
I’m sure if the cops did that to your family you’d have no problem with it at all. Right?
Cite? Were you a witness?
Yeah, smartass, I was there.
Here you go....
https://gamso-forthedefense.blogspot.com/2022/11/gratuitously-cruel-and-unusual.html
"July 5, 2005. Kirkwood, Missouri. Police executing a search warrant. Joseph Long, 12 years old, suffers a seizure and collapses to the floor.. Police stepped over him - repeatedly. Failed to offer him help. Refused to let his mother in the house to help him. Joseph Long died. Kevin Johnson, Long's older brother, stood by helplessly."
The guy shouldn't have shot the cop, although under the circumstances I can understand being angry enough to do so. But he's getting his. The state of Missouri could find a way to show just a bit of empathy for this family given how the state of Missouri and its agents have fucked them around.
But I'm sure if you had to watch your kid brother die while cops were stepping over him and denying him medical treatment you'd surely back the blue, right?
"denying him medical treatment"
I missed the part where Johnson's mother was an EMT.
Goddam lie. I'm sure ambulance was called.
We need more commenters who lie to protect the left no matter how offensive it is, that's definitely a hole in the lineup. So that's a good branding strategy.
and that justifies letting the state make things just a little bit worse for his daughter how?
The state should definitely execute this guy. They should also definitely let the girl attend his execution.
Worse for his daughter how?
She can still say her goodbyes.
I wonder if McEntee's children got to be with him in his final moments.
Racist. That was the correct line, right?
The dude literally walked up to a cop in a car and shot him 7 times
He's not going to have successful appeals
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While perhaps constitutionally valid, Missouri's age restriction for execution witnesses is arbitrary
As is the drinking age.
"As is the drinking age".
And the voting age. You're too dumb to make decisions on alcohol use until you're 21 but savvy enough about governance to vote when you're 18.
So if you commit a heinous crime as a teen ... are you too young to attend you own execution ? Do they have to hold you until you turn 21 to kill you ?
Seems sketchy and arbitrary.
If you commit the crime as a teen, you'll probably be pushing 40 by the time they execute you.
Right.
2022 - 2005 = 17 years to achieve justice.
There is a reason the Savannah GA has oak trees in all the public squares, and it isn't to provide shade for the militia.
Every argument presented by the state in this case could be used as justification to prevent 18 year olds from voting. This is an irrational standard. If you are mature enough to be trusted to vote, if you are old enough to sign your life away to military service, you are mature enough to drink, contract and certainly to attend an execution.
Will some young people act out? Of course they will. So will some older people. The prison already has protocols for dealing with those disruptors. The court got this one wrong. There is no rational basis for the state's discrimination on the basis of age.
Every argument presented by the state in this case could be used as justification to prevent 18 year olds from voting.
Yes, and good justification. Considering 18-year-old kids to be adults is nuts. I would raise the voting age to 25.
Never trust anyone under 30.
He’s still gonna be dead.
He has been there for me my whole life, even though he's been incarcerated.
No, he hasn't. You're delusional, hon.
Well, he has been there. In prison.
And I see no reason not to believe that she has a good an meaningful relationship with him. I'll give her some sympathy.
We need a laughing face emoji here.
someone tries to express a little sympathy, and you want a laughing face....
i think we need a pile of shit emoji first. (even though i know it will be over used.)
I think he was laughing at the part that was a joke.
I see no reason not to believe that she has a good an meaningful relationship with him.
Yeah, that's the laughable part.
Why? How the fuck would you know either way?
How the fuck can you not see that being on Death Row for murder precludes being a good father? He abandoned his children.
You're an absent father yourself, aren't you?
Her mother was murdered in front of her two years after her father was put in jail.
Not surprising.
Can't pick your parents
No, but we could stop subsidizing the reproduction of losers in dysfunctional communities.
Wtf does that have to do with whether she should be able to be with her dad when he dies or whether he was wasn't her only parent
It has to do with picking who should be parents, which you brought up. Try to keep up.
Well, since he’s a cold blooded murderer, she was probably better off with him in prison most her life.
He is a good father,
If he was a good father he wouldn't have committed murder and left you fatherless.
So there's at least one other sane person here.
There's a few of us.
touche
He was "always there for her". So he gets credit for accepting a visitor in prison? You wouldn't even know where he was if he wasn't captive.
I'd get rid of the arbitrary age numbers and make it entirely personal: you are an adult when you have your own job and pay for your own housing and food.
Or to put it another way: when people like landlords and car dealers and employers trust you enough to sign contracts, then you are an adult.
You wanna spend 8 years in college "working" towards a PhD in gender fluidentity studies while living at home? You are not an adult.
That would require holding people responsible for making decisions, which is virtually prohibited now.
So being unemployed grants immunity from adult criminal charges? A lot of 25 year old losers might see that as a nice reason to avoid growing up.
Sure: you'll become the ward of someone or the state.
How about: you're an adult when you pay more than $10k in federal income taxes per year.
Does this mean, I can sue for the return of wages the IRS took from me prior to reaching adulthood? I was too immature to know the repercussions of my decision to work hard in life.
It's unusual for anything good to come from hard work. The saddest suckers in the world are those who work hard just to subsist.
Reason doesn't like the death penalty--ok. But there's no need for the sob stories. Should Missouri let this woman witness the execution--probably, but state law is state law, and it is plainly not unconstitutional.
Let the execution happen.
But it's plainly anti-freedom and something we Libertarians should strike down (as all age-restriction laws are anti-freedom).
Ok groomer. You want to make an argument for changing or eliminating this restriction, be my guest but doing so in a blanket fashion that includes and therefore normalizes pedophilia isn't helpful.
It's not anti-freedom. That is an absurdly moronic argument for any event occurring within the confines of a state penitentiary.
It's anti-let the execution become a three ring circus.
Maybe 21 is too high an age.
Maybe it's too low.
It is a judgement call.
Due entirely to the actions of her father it is a judgement that is not within her control.
Sorry, is a law meant to preclude 30-year-old men from having sex with 10-year-old girls an anti-freedom age-restriction law?
If we prosecuted the girls, too, then it would be. As it is, minors can have sex with adults all they want.
Yes. I was having sex with "adults" (age 18 or over) when I was 12 and 13, and perfectly cognizant of what I was doing and perfectly able to consent (and participate).
No, age-restriction laws are not "anti-freedom". Parents are responsible for, and have control over, their children until they are legally adults.
People like you give libertarianism a bad name.
This woman could enlist in the Missouri National Guard and be issued a weapon to use with lethal force, but apparently she'd need to fire blindfolded so as not to witness any death.
Compromise: You may attend executions after you've completed basic training.
That might be a reasonable compromise, but it's not the law. The morons who wrote the law knew 18 year olds could enlist and go into combat, but never made the connection.
Could.
Whether she would is another question entirely. One that would be answered by the state. She could just as easily be assigned to drive a truck or push paper at a nice cozy desk.
Because, having placed herself under the authority of the state through her own actions - ie. enlisting - she has surrender the ability to control such decisions.
There is a parallel there, if you care to notice it.
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She should be angry that he was a father who put her in this position in the first place. If I sell crack and my house is seized I would expect my kids to be pissed. "Geeze Dad if you really cared about us why did you decide to take actions that made us homeless?"
Well the warden could just ignore the order and let the daughter attend. Assuming he's a federal employee (i didn't check) what are they going to do, fire him?
Would be time for a federal employee with immunity to break the law for a good moral reason.
It’s not a federal prison or a federal employee. If it was, she wouldn’t have needed to sue to limit a _Missouri_ law. If this was a federal law, I’d have expected someone to have sued long before now over the inconsistency with the (obviously federal) draft law, which allows the federal government to _force_ an 18 year old to join the military and kill someone the federal government has designated an enemy.
Does the Missouri legislature require the Missouri National Guard to train 18 to 20 year old volunteers to fire with their eyes closed? To turn away from a wounded comrade lest they see him die in spite of first aid?
I wonder if Reason would be ok with a 19 year old daughter of his victim being allowed to offer some 'comfort' (e.g. tossing a molotov cocktail at him)?
"Court to Girl: You Have To Follow the Law and Also Your Father is a Murderer." Fixed it for you.
Justice delayed is justice denied. But at least he is now dead. 17 years unfortunately has become the epitome of swift justice in America.
As for whether his execution has any element of racial bias:
"McCulloch sought the death penalty in the four cases involving Black defendants but did not seek death in the one case where the defendant was white, Keenan said."
Just doing the math, says that 4 of 5 dead cops were by black perps. That itself sounds like bias to me, but not in a way that gets the perps off the hook.
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