How a Gorsuch LGBT Ruling May Doom Affirmative Action in College Admissions
The link between Bostock v. Clayton County and Students for Fair Admissions v. University of North Carolina

In Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia (2020), Justice Neil Gorsuch held that the act of firing an employee for being gay or transgender violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits employers from discriminating against a job applicant or employee "because of such individual's…sex." "Those who adopted the Civil Rights Act might not have anticipated their work would lead to this particular result," Gorsuch wrote. "But the limits of the drafters' imagination supply no reason to ignore the law's demands. When the express terms of a statute give us one answer and extratextual considerations suggest another, it's no contest. Only the written word is the law, and all persons are entitled to its benefit."
The results of that strict textualist approach in Bostock were widely cheered by liberals. But liberals probably won't be cheering if Gorsuch adopts a similar stance in the pair of blockbuster affirmative action cases that the Supreme Court is currently weighing. Judging by last month's oral arguments in Students for Fair Admissions v. University of North Carolina, the justice does seem to view the statutory debates over LGBT discrimination and affirmative action in a similar interpretative light.
Like Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Title VI of the same law also deals with discrimination. "No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin," Title VI reads, "be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."
"Title VI's language is plain and clear just as Title VII is," Gorsuch told Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar during oral arguments on October 31. "Title VII does not permit discrimination on the basis of sex, and Title VI does not permit discrimination on the basis of race." So why, Gorsuch basically asked, isn't affirmative action in college admissions illegal under federal law?
"The term 'discrimination' in this context"—meaning the context of affirmative action and Title VI—"is ambiguous," Prelogar responded.
"We didn't find it ambiguous in Bostock, why should we find it ambiguous now?" Gorsuch responded. "Were we wrong in Bostock?"
"No, I'm not suggesting that," Prelogar answered. She was well aware that Gorsuch himself authored the Bostock opinion. But the Supreme Court has found the term to be ambiguous in the context of Title VI, she continued, and she urged respect for that precedent.
Gorsuch seemed to think there was no good reason to treat the language differently from one statutory provision to the other. If his reading is adopted by the Supreme Court, it would likely help doom affirmative action in college and university admissions.
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“Title VI’s language is plain and clear just as Title VII is,”
Says the guy who’s “originalist” interpretation conflates the clear intent of “car or truck” with “32 car pileup”. As much as I hate to say it, at least KBJ is honest enough to say “I don’t know what a woman is.” rather than saying, as legal doctrine, “Woman, lesbian clusterfuck, what’s the difference?”
How about explaining some of that word salad? What the divil are you getting on about?
Gaear Grimsrud fairly accurately restates it below.
Gorsuch conflates sex with sexual preference and rather overtly notes that he does it despite what he notes as the original 'plain and clear' language. It's specific ambiguity and the plain and clear language, original intent, justice, or the law has got nothing to do with it.
It's not as bad as that, Mad. In the end, discriminating against someone based on their orientation is stating this (for example):
1: You are dating a man.
2: Because you are a man, Boss doesn't like this
3: Therefore, you are fired.
Step 2 is the key point of this logic. The discrimination occurs because a man and woman are being treated differently for identical actions.
Similarly, the act would apply if a white man is fired because he married a black woman.
In the end, the discrimination occurred because of the sex or color of the people involved, which triggers the Civil Rights Acts.
Bingo.
Firing a man for dating a man, when you wouldn't fire a woman for dating a man.
That's discrimination on the basis of sex, not on the basis of sexual orientation.
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It’s not as bad as that, Mad.
Go ahead. Tell me that a municipality unable to fire someone for conduct unbecoming is a good thing.
It's a good thing when municipalities can't use proxies closely aligned with protected classes to try and get around non-discrimination law.
Or to put it another way... if I fire your for "joining a Catholic baseball league", I'm not fooling anyone, and any judge that pretends otherwise is an evil asshole.
It’s a good thing when municipalities can’t use proxies closely aligned with protected classes to try and get around non-discrimination law.
I know, right? Who needs *actual* facts when it comes to the law when you can just use approximate facts. So convenient how could anything possibly bad come of it?
Edit: And again, you ignore a critical point, if I'm recruiting for a Catholic baseball league *at work*, they sure as shit are within their rights to terminate me.
FFS: Are you going to tell me employers can't slam the door in LDS recruiters' faces?
I mean, FFS, the obvious boafsidezism is obvious. Joe Kennedy can lose his job, not for asking people to join him in prayer, but just for praying himself on the field after a game, but Bostock can't lose his job for trying start a gay softball league? Fuck off with your false equivalence bullshit.
Mad, you've changed topics. Are we talking about the specific case, in which you may have some points, or the general concept, which I think Gorsuch was very clear and correct?
The principle can be correct even if the facts don't fit this in this case. In that case, when it's pushed back down to the lower courts, the discussion can go into the details of the actions (ie: trying to start a sports team at the office could be the straw that breaks the camel's back on top of poor performance).
Mad, you’ve changed topics.
Fuck you. EscherEnigma changed topics and you're trying to pretend I did it.
The principle can be correct even if the facts don’t fit this in this case.
Which, between you and Gorsuch, would make it textbook judicial activism. If you aren't ruling on strict interpretation of precedent or the facts of the case you're making shit up.
Obvious bullshit is obvious.
Dude, I was pointing out (correctly) that courts don't distinguish between discrimination based on a proxy that is closely aligned with a protected class and discrimination based on the protected class itself.
You know, since you're trying to argue that being fired for being gay and being fired for being in a gay softball league are totally different?
Dude, I was pointing out (correctly) that courts don’t distinguish between discrimination based on a proxy that is closely aligned with a protected class and discrimination based on the protected class itself.
Take it up with Ben of Houston, I didn't change topics or say you did. And if you disagree, it's just a proxy for your inherent bias against being wrong.
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This is a lot of rage over me pointing out (correctly) that the courts have long recognized that discriminatory behavior based on a proxy closely aligned with a protected class is the same as discriminatory behavior based on a protected class.
Good to know that you think your rage detection ESP works over the internet.
And your ‘correct’ statement is disingenuous to the point that it’s not correct. It’s like saying “The court has long recognized that the wind blows out of the East.” It’s not policy or precedent and, despite your retardation, they actually do lick their finger and stick it in the air or consult a weather vein from time to time.
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1: You are dating a man.
2: Because you are a man, Boss doesn’t like it
3: Title VII is unconstitutional and the government needs to fuck off.
That's probably the real answer, but not how courts work.
Sometimes I think it would be pretty great if there were another supreme court like body whose sole job and authority is to seek out unconstitutional laws and get rid of them.
This is ridiculous! The use of the word ‘sex’ in the Constitution, Civil Rights, or previous laws, were meant to be for the male vs female, not so-called ‘transgender’ or any other manufactured gender(s). What is even worse, is that lawyers and lawmakers know this, but are intentionally making a mockery of our laws and country for political power. And the ignorant populace allows this for the sake of not offending. We had better wake up to this or we will lose our democracy.
"Says the guy who’s “originalist” interpretation conflates the clear intent of “car or truck” with “32 car pileup”. "
And you said my TDS-disease analogy was dumb... (just joking around...not looking for a serious argument here)
If being anti-32 car/truck pileup makes me pro-lesbian clusterfuck, I can live with that. 🙂
Affirmative action should go away. It violates the 14th Amendment as well as the CRA.
Take away names, race, and sex from college admissions. Accept all comers. If you have too many, then use a non-rigged lottery to accept people.
How about good grades?
I don't see how FCFS doesn't work. Even if you cry "That's not fair, they built a microwave burst connection to the admissions center.", fine go to the next university and build your own microwave burst connection.
"First come, first served" rewards early applicants at the expense of those whose school year starts a few weeks later. It also ignores the likelihood of success at the institution / degree program.
“First come, first served” rewards early applicants at the expense of those whose school year starts a few weeks later.
Bullshit. I'm probably not even in the 20% minority of people who applied the year before I graduated and attended the fall after. My brother probably isn't in a 1% minority of people who applied after HS graduation and started in the following year. Moreover, outside military schools and ROTC programs, all of us were relatively free to relinguish our seat to the next person in the
queueinput-restricted deque.Regardless, show me in the Constitution or any amendment where schools can't engage in time frame discrimination.
It also ignores the likelihood of success at the institution / degree program.
According to your own precepts, accepting someone into a program that they would fail if they weren't able to start precisely on the spring or fall equinox would seem to be illegal.
I never said anything about first come, first served. I said take all comers. Clearly, you establish a cutoff date for applications and if there are too many you do the lottery. Its fair and equitable.
I said FCFS/'first come, first served'. "Accept all comers" and "lottery" isn't a functional system. Maybe obvious, but there has to be a clear flow through the queue before any determinations about who/how many can enter is relevant.
The term 'discrimination' in this context"—meaning the context of affirmative action and Title VI—"is ambiguous," Prelogar responded.
It's bizarre they have gotten away with this for decades. "We don't like this so we'll claim it's ambiguous". USSC: "Sure".
Seems to me neither Title VI or Title VII are "ambiguous". The problem I have is that Gorsuch himself conflated sex with sexual preference in Bostock and admits that that was not the intent of congress "Those who adopted the Civil Rights Act might not have anticipated their work would lead to this particular result,". Seems like he himself opened the door to ambiguity in that case while claiming his conclusion was based on the plain language of the law. I can't seem to read it that way. Still one of the best judges but I really don't get Bostock.
Employee Man was allowed to bring Partner Woman to picnic, but Employee Woman wasn't allowed to bring Partner Woman to picnic. Employee Woman is now being discriminated against based on sex because Employee Man was permitted to do the exact same behavior - bring Partner Woman to the picnic.
That's how I read it anyway to make sense.
Which means employers can’t discriminate against people who are neither customers nor in their employ.
He is, by his own statements, actively subverting the legislative process required to clarify the law.
Edit: And it should be noted that your argument is obfuscating facts on the ground WRT Bostock. Bostock was on a gay softball team, was investigated and fired for misappropriation, and claimed the gay softball team as a defense. There was no "Men can play on a Co-Ed team, women can only play on the women's team." ambiguity wrt sex discrimination.
Clayton County, Georgia, fired Gerald Bostock for conduct “unbecoming” a county employee
shortly after he began participating in a gay recreational softball
league. Altitude Express fired Donald Zarda days after he mentioned
being gay. And R. G. & G. R. Harris Funeral Homes fired Aimee Stephens, who presented as a male when she was hired, after she informed her employer that she planned to “live and work full-time as a
woman.”
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/17-1618_hfci.pdf
You can't fire a man for "living as a woman" if you won't fire a woman for "living as a woman."
Ultimately, when you fire someone for "being gay" you are firing someone for doing something that would be ok if the other sex did it.
This seems the most logically defensible interpretation of the law as written. And congress can change the law if they want a different outcome.
There is nothing less controversial than a SCOTUS opinion that can be rendered moot by legislation.
He wasn’t discriminated on the basis of sex, but on his behaviors. Stop trying to weasel a meaning out of it. The basis was not gender.
They never proved any specific discrimination solely on sex.
There is nothing less controversial than a SCOTUS opinion that can be rendered moot by legislation.
Did your mom's totally-not-controversial partial-birth abortion have to fail for you to get this retarded or was it completely natural?
Which is odd given that Gorsuch really HATES vague laws, and has made some very odd rulings due to it.
It seems to me that employee woman is discriminated based on sexual preference, not sex. Is it impermissible to discriminate based on homosexuality? I am not arguing for it, just asking the question.
It's a false premise. It's the usual celebration parallax bullshit.
Employee Black: Let's have a black softball league. [Yay! Diversity!]
Employee White: Let's have a white softball league. [Boo! Racism!]
Employee Woman: Let's have a women's softball league. [Yay! Diversity!]
Employee Man: Let's have a men's softball league. [Boo! Sexism!]
Employee Gay: Let's have a gay softball league....
And because, apparently, retarded people can't follow well established and trodden fact patterns, decision trees, and Markov Chains (substitute man/woman or straight/gay for white/black respectively):
Employer Black: Let's have a black softball team.
Employee White: Are white employees allowed to play?
Employer Black: Of course not, what kind of a black team has white guys on it?
Employer White: Let's have a white softball team.
Employee Black: Are black people allowed to join?
Employer's Councel: Mr. White has decided to step down from his position. The company softball team has been disbanded.
Employee Black: So, you cancelled the softball league because I'm black?
Employer's Councel's Councel: The employer's former councel has recused himself. No further comment.
“You joined or created an exclusionary sports league? You must be a bigot. I don’t want you here.”
Being a jerk is reason enough to fire someone.
That they happen to be gay (or black or Christian or from Mars) was inferred by the court, wrongly.
If the company rule is "no same-sex partners at the picnic", then Employee Woman is being discriminated against based on her *sex* because she is not allowed to do something (bring a woman as a partner to a picnic) that she would have been able to do if she was a man, even as a gay man.
All right. Point noted.
Can't edit for some reason. I see the logic as you state it. But Gorsuch himself admits that was not the intent of congress. So he chooses what he calls the plain language of the statute over the intent of congress. Kind of a gotcha. Seems like activist judging to me. Personally I would scrap the whole CRA. But if I have to live in a world where the federal government decides who you can hire or fire Bostock is hardly the worst of it.
I see the logic as you state it.
I don’t.
“Regarding all statements equally, last statement is false. The plainly stated and previously assumed definition of ‘equally’ is nebulous. The first statement is false.”
Just because I can point out that the second sentence has more letters, the last sentence has the least, and, therefore, we can disregard the first false as a less equal false doesn’t get the statement any closer to rational.
Unless the employer stated “Men can bring women whom they are sleeping with but women cannot bring women that they are sleeping with.” or some approximation and arguably even as policy, the situation, as presented, asserts that no affirmative defense can be presented. The fact that Employee Woman’s girlfriend is the owner’s ex-wife doesn’t even get considered. And if you think my asserting that the girlfriend/ex-wife is unduly speculative and immaterial, then so is the speculation that the two women are sleeping together.
On the contrary, talking about "intent" is an old weapon of activist judges to overturn the plain language of statutes.
For example, in Steelworkers v. Weber, 443 U.S. 193 (1979), the Supreme Court granted that Weber was entirely correct, that Title VII literally prohibited race-conscious hiring . . . and then declared that since "Congress' primary concern in enacting the prohibition against racial discrimination in Title VII was with the plight of the Negro in our economy", a race-conscious "affirmative action" hiring plan to remediate past discrimination was legal anyway.
Textualism avoids that kind of nonsense. The judge ignores intent entirely in favor of what the words of the statute literally mean. Congress may not have imagined how the words it enacted would have literally applied in a case, but it is no business of the courts to decide what Congress would have wanted, just to apply what Congress actually enacted.
This is especially useful as a guide to judging because, after all, Congress is not a singular being with a singular will, and the courts are not endowed with the supernatural power to read minds. The only thing you can be truly sure of when it comes to intent is that the people who voted for the bill intended to enact that bill. You can't know way each and every one of them thought it would be applied.
(Or even be sure most of the members of Congress ever actually thought about how the language would be applied, rather than something like "If I vote for this, the Speaker's promised me more pork for my district," or "If I vote against this, I'll lose my next election.")
If Congress could have conceived of the argument that Gorsuch's opinion used when they passed the Civil Rights Act, they would almost certainly have used different language. However, their mindset was so fundamentally different that the words just didn't mean the same to them as they do under Gorsuch's opinion. It's a case of original meaning interpretation versus living, breathing, willfully rebelling interpretation.
Gorsuch could have a lot of fun with food and drug law, considering for instance that drugs and medical devices are defined in terms of affecting the structure or any function of the body. Case law has narrowed the meanings in line with common sense, but if you take the words literally.... (The wording was adopted when Congress wanted to include diet pills but decided at the last minute to have this open-ended language instead.)
(Or even be sure most of the members of Congress ever actually thought about how the language would be applied, rather than something like “If I vote for this, the Speaker’s promised me more pork for my district,” or “If I vote against this, I’ll lose my next election.”)
Or weren't otherwise subject to 'You have to pass the bill in order to find out what's in the bill.'
I don't think it's judicial activism to look at a law and say "This is the wording that you chose for this law, and it should be enforced as written."
To me, judicial activism would be a judge saying "Well, the law is written this way, but I'm sure that this isn't what the lawmakers INTENDED, so I'm going to declare that it means something OTHER than what the wording of the law states". That also makes nearly ever law prone to abuse.
If congress didn't intend for their law to be enforced as written, it's on them to craft a clearly written law. If they don't like the way a judge interpreted their wording, repeal it and write it BEFORE their three-martini lunch.
I would say that textualism is in general the least activist kind of interpretation. The intentions of congress is not something that anyone really has access to and will always be open to interpretation. The text of the law is there for all to see. Still open to interpretation, but at least everyone is interpreting the same thing in that case.
You’ve pointed out the difference: sex is innate and visual biology, while sexual orientation is only known through actions. The man in the case was not fired for being a man. He was fired for admitting to belonging to a gay men’s baseball league. He wasn’t fired for doing something a woman does.
By your and Gorsuch’s logic, a man should not be disciplined at work for using the women’s restroom. If a woman wouldn’t be punished for using the restroom, then if the man is punished for doing what a woman did, it is discrimination on the basis of sex. The ruling erases the differences of the sexes, when in fact they are not the same.
The authors of the bill knew the difference between being gay or not gay, and being a man or a woman. They didn’t extend the intervention of the law to homosexuals. It would have required a separate law to intervene in employer/employee relationship in this way. Gorsuch was wrong.
Not the ruling, sir. The statute.
The 1964 statute in question quite literally bans "discrimination based on . . . sex". Per Webster's Third New International Dictionary (1961), "discrimination" means "the making or perceiving of a distinction or difference".
If ridiculous results come from banning people from making distinctions based on perceiving the differences between the sexes, it is not the Court, its members, or its ruling that is at fault, but that of the 88th Congress. They enacted that prohibition into law. The only remedies for that are either Congress amending the law, or the Supreme Court striking down the employment provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as unconstitutional.
Yeah, I think this is the right way to treat it. Congress should be more careful with the language they use and not count on the courts to sort it out later.
Discrimination based on sex is something that will always happen and that is not a bad thing in all cases. Having separate toilets is sex discrimination, for example.
Hon, sexual orientation is innate too.
We'll wait here while you catch up and join us in the 21st century.
How do you know it's innate?
They didn't extend the intervention of the law to men who were sexually harassed at work either, that's a SCOTUS decision.
He was fired for admitting to
belonging torecruiting to a gaymen’sbaseball league.Again, if he'd been recruiting for an performative re-enactment of Eyes Wide Shut or American History X, he would've been rightfully shitcanned according to the original intent of the law.
Bostock is Gorsuch's penaltax.
the lib meltdown over this will reach epic proportions
Worse than Jim Crow. Literally Jim Eagle. Maybe even Jim Ostrich.
Ooh... Jim Peacock.
Jim Pterodactyl.
Jim Dodo
Paraphrasing someone else who said it perfectly...
Racial Entitlement is the exact same definition as Racial Discrimination. Only difference is which race one wants to pull a perspective from. The USA was doing so well until leftards had to come up with more, more, more racist and sexist indoctrinated behavior. Just a subset of their [WE] gang RULES mentality.
How about Individual Liberty and Justice for all?
Federal law is awash with special advantages, programs, set sides and exceptions based on race, ethnicity and gender. All of it needs to go. And it can be done. Wyoming several years ago undertook a huge project to write ALL laws in gender neutral language. All of it.
Example: Violence against women Act. Violence against ANYONE is wrong; one does not need federal pork acts to enforce basic state law. And the Native American women section is a horror show, expanding Indian and federal police over State criminal law. Or the indian Child Welfare Act, which strips white parents of parental rights and lands children in high profit margin NGO centers forever.
How a Gorsuch LGBT Ruling May Doom Affirmative Action in College Admissions
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I didn't read it that way. I'm pretty sure Reason is consistent in opposing affirmative action in public institutions.
Not that it's exactly Reason's fault, but that's how "It's not happening and it's good that it is." is supposed to work.
Affirmative Action, by its very nature, is discriminatory. SCOTUS let programs go forth but on a tight time line, with the intent that it ends. The South Carolina school, when asked, said they had no intention of ending race preferences ever, violating the leeway afforded then by OConnor back in the 1970s.
It's time for all affirmative action, special preferences, programs and set aside based on gender or race to end.
You may have forgotten how much Reason's readers hate Bostock. I'm pretty sure they'd accept AA if it meant reversing Bostock.
It's wrong regardless. Don't support affirmative action.
“receiving Federal financial assistance” Because the US Constitution granted them redistribution authority um, um, um………………
If SCOTUS wanted to do the honorable thing they’d make all “Federal financial assistance” for UN-Constitutional things UN-Constitutional. Most of the time a 5-year old has better understanding of the people’s law over them than the SCOTUS does.
Then the USA can stop playing this which [WE] mob RULES game and get back to building the best nation on the planet.
At question is interpretation of the Civil Rights Act (1964), not the Constitution.
Which is to say... regardless of whether AA violates the CRA, it's still Constitutional.
The angle by which it is arguably constitutional is right there in the constitution: "The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
Only problem is the CRA isn't a Constitutional Article.
It should doom affirmative action - in college admissions and everywhere else. Affirmative action, whether it was constitutional or not in the first place, is water under the bridge. Whatever good or harm it might have done over the last several decades has been done and can never be undone. The only question for the Supreme Court is whether enterprises receiving Federal assistance should or must use race as a factor in deciding upon admission. If that decision leads to a ruling that Affirmative Action is unconstitutional, so be it. Underlying the purpose of Affirmative Action is the assumption that employers and school admissions are discriminating based on race or that society fails to produce qualified candidates because of discrimination based on race and that Affirmative Action can correct that situation after the fact. This is flawed logic in every aspect! If society fails to educate people of color, there is no reason to believe that institutions of higher education can correct that situation; and lots of evidence to suggest that unqualified students end up failing in the attempt, doing lots of collateral harm in the process. The way to correct failed primary and secondary education is to fix primary and secondary education systems, not try to deny qualified students by replacing them with unqualified students. Even more egregious is the assumption that the only way to succeed in life is with a college degree, no matter how spurious the degree process is.
"The way to correct failed primary and secondary education is to fix primary and secondary education systems, not try to deny qualified students by replacing them with unqualified students. "
LOGIC!!!!!
Logic has no place in college admissions.
Logic is white supremacy.
The only affirmative action I agree with is giving African-Americans a degree of preference in government hiring. Notice I said African-American, and not black. I do not mean recent immigrants from Africa, South America, or the Caribbean. I mean the descendants of American slaves, who in fact have been harmed over the generations by government policy. The preferential hiring has helped many (10s of thousands of?) African-American families enter the middle class.
Otherwise, no affirmative action in any other way. People with poor academic records should not go to schools they aren't prepared for. We have to admit that people from different cultures will have different levels of academic achievement. And no immigrant groups should have preference in hiring - they came here by choice. It's crazy that Hispanics whose families got here 30 years ago have preference in hiring over white Americans whose families have been here for centuries. Why have we allowed this?
GUILT.
I don't have any, but so many whites have historical guilt that it's a weird mental phenomenon that needs to be studied.
Yes, that's what the original law said before it was stretched to cover every other situation in America. Affirmative Action was never a law, only Executive Orders that can only be applied to government agencies. The original law said that you could not discriminate based on race, etc. The ONLY way that makes sense is if color is not taken into consideration at all; or that no thinly-veiled proxies for race are used. Employers and colleges should try to avoid using admission and hiring criteria that end up discriminating based on race! But they are NOT responsible for the failures of other sectors of society to produce qualified candidates.
"no thinly-veiled proxies for race are used. Employers and colleges should try to avoid using admission and hiring criteria that end up discriminating based on race!"
So colleges can't require the submission of a dance video for admission purposes?
>>doom affirmative action in college and university admissions.
bueno.
Imagine the consequences if the law means what it says it means! You'd have to start throwing out all kinds of past Supreme Court opinions....
"shall not be infringed" for example, is pretty damn clear.
infringed is totally ambiguous
You mean, like on a leather jacket?
Sure, that bit is clear, but "the right to keep and bear arms" — does that mean some arms or any arms? If it means some arms, then allowing people to keep and bear one single legislated kind of weapon means they have the right to keep and bear "arms".
O'connor put a very short time line on affirmative action: 25 years.
Time is up. We need to move on to full and true equality in law. ALL OF IT.
No. That timeline was a stupid arbitrary metric with no basis in law or fact. Saying time is up legitimizes that timeline. Affirmative action needs to go because it’s against the law.
Fantastic! Both decisions! Assume all Libertarians feel hiring/firing discrimination and affirmative action should both go away. Not at all sure why the article is titled as it is, by Reason.
They can list it on their resume and sound lefty.
And the ruling will again defer to congress: If they want affirmative action for descendants of slaves, they can authorize it.
Two thoughts.
(1) Folks overestimate how much this topic matters to, well, anyone. Yes, "elite" universities care. And... that's about it. Most Americans, conservative, liberal, or somewhere inbetween, think poorly of it (when they think of it at all). Whether the SCOTUS follows precedent (and says "okay, this scheme is a no-go, see you in ten years to see what you've come up with") or axes affirmative action all-together, outside of a few circles (who will be given way too much microphone time) this just isn't going to be a big deal.
(2) A lot of people are confused on principles of non-discrimination. The vast majority of discrimination cases (including the AA case) do not stem from the Constitution, but from legislation. That is to say... if my hypothetical comic-book shop refuses you because your god is a gay-hating freak, that's a violation of the Civil Rights Act (1964), but it's 100% A-OK by the Constitution. Same with Affirmative Action in university admissions: it's a question of how you interpret the CRA, not how you interpret the Constitution.
"(1) Folks overestimate how much this topic matters to, well, anyone. Yes, “elite” universities care. And… that’s about it."
What concerns me about this is so many peeps are not aware of how many tax payer dollars are spent/wasted on not just this but a whole host of other government giveaways.
Bottom line is while specific programs may not be on peeps radar for the 45% or so of those who actually pay taxes their tax bill matters.
And thus is the very problem with the Democratic pitched 1964 CRA.
It runs in contrast to the US Constitution.
Because the left loves turning rights into entitlements to other people's things.
It’s funny how people who would recognize the “Fuck you, that’s why.” implications of a “fair” “Heads I win, tales you lose.” coin flip will see a “We’ll flip two coins, HH or TT I win, HT or TH, you lose.” as obvious, logical, and correct.
Bostock was discussing a gay softball league at work. Even by Gorsuch’s decision, Clayton County cannot abide this. It either has to be a regular old softball league or it has to be two leagues both gay and straight. Otherwise, Clayton, as an employee, is discriminating based on sex(ual orientation).
Further, to definitively identify homosexuality, sex partners must be invoked. Without such proof, it’s one spurious accusation against another and choosing a winner rather than dismissing the case is activism.
Even at that, Gorsuch’s fuck up goes further as gender identity is also protected and Bostock cannot assert he’s a homosexual. His partners all have to identify as men at the time of any given encounter and he has to identify as a man similarly. Otherwise, see the above paragraph.
My original double-coinflip statement was more honest than Gorsuch’s decision. His is more,
Court: “HH or TT, the plaintiff wins. HT or TH the defendant loses.”
Defendant: “Nobody except the plaintiff can see the coin, how will we know if the coin lands heads up or not?”
Court: “The plaintiff will tell us and we’ll let you know.”
Edit: FFS even for Hobby Lobby it had to be demonstrated that the company was a "closely held corporation".
"Were we wrong in Bostock?" Absolutely. If the "express terms" of the statute clearly supersede any extra-textual issues, then the reading of the text, in this case, clearly implies that "sex" is to be interpreted as it was meant by those who wrote the statute and not some modern perversion of that term. You cannot change the meaning of a law, which Bostock clearly did, by redefining its terms.
It is really pretty bizarre that SCOTUS spends enormous resources divining the intent of congress through statutory construction when congress is right down the fucking street. If they want to amend the CRA whose going to stop them?
Who might stop any effort to align the law with what it meant in 1965: 41 members of the Senate, a Democrat president, activist judges.
You may have forgotten how much Reason’s readers hate Bostock. I’m pretty sure they’d accept AA if it meant reversing Bostock.
Are you kidding? Team Red LOVES the Bostock decision. Because it has enabled their biggest successes yet in the Endless Culture War. It goes something like this:
1. SCOTUS delivers the Bostock decision, which outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation or transgender status. 2. The federal government tries to enforce this decision through the power of the purse, the same way it enforces lots of other rules. 3. The Education Department says to local schools, “if you want money, you have to not discriminate against gay and trans students”. 4. Local school bureaucrats drearily try to implement these rules because they want the money. 5. Right-wing demagogues and provocateurs pounce on education bureaucrats making accommodations for transgender students with wild claims like “INSANE RADICAL LEFT-WING WOKE TEACHERS INDOCTRINATING STUDENTS INTO GAYNESS BY LETTING TRANS STUDENTS USE THE ‘WRONG’ BATHROOM”.
They lie by omission by not informing readers of the entire backstory of why the schools are doing this. They are DELIGHTED that they get to frame school superintendents as insane woke radicals instead of what they really are, boring bureaucrats. Because it's way easier to drum up opposition to what the schools are doing if they are framed as hotbeds of leftwing immorality, rather than as simply inefficient wastes of public money.
Bostock has been the gift to them that keeps on giving.
I can't decide which is funnier.
That you just equivocated "Reason's readers" with "Team Red", or that you confused strategically-minded politicians (who might be genuinely enthused about a decision that lets them claim persecution) with their base (who is genuinely outraged by the decision).
Either way, I think the group I was talking about (Reason's readers) and the group you're talking (Republican strategists) have sufficiently small overlap that I don't need to further qualify my statement.
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I'm pretty sure the court will rule that AA in college admissions is illegal and I'm pretty sure universities will continue to discriminate by other means and I'm pretty sure district courts will reach various conclusions on the legality of these schemes and I'm pretty sure appellate courts will reach contradictory conclusions and I'm pretty sure this shit will drag on for decades.
I’m pretty sure this shit will drag on for decades.
Because everybody wants their pet victim protected and their enemies silenced and they want to do it ambiguously so that they don’t look like dicks when they spend money protecting their "victim" and get frugal when it comes to protecting their enemies when they’re doing something right, wrong, or equally ambiguous.
Unless you’ve got two or more companies right after a meeting between the owners enacting a “No gays/straights/trannies/Jews/Christians/Muslims/men/women/red/yellow/black/white/brown, before, during, or after work, anywhere on Earth” policy, GTFO with your “Their skirting out of anti-discrimination laws violates my right to skirt the definition as a protected class.” bullshit.
Fuck them all. Cut spending.
I think it's more like "the Supreme Court might deliver a decision forcing universities to rework their affirmative action policies to achieve similar results without making the race discrimination quite as obvious."
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