12 Republicans Support Same-Sex Marriage in Key Senate Vote
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A bill that would provide federal protection to same-sex marriages cleared a crucial hurdle in the U.S. Senate on Wednesday. Twelve Republican senators voted to advance the bill—enough to remove the possibility of a filibuster.
The 62–37 vote sets up the Respect for Marriage Act to easily pass the Senate in the coming days, likely ensuring that the bill will make it to President Joe Biden's desk before the end of the lame-duck session and before Republicans take control of the House of Representatives in January. The bill passed the House in July with broad bipartisan support.
NEWS: 62-37, Senate votes to defeat a filibuster and advance the Respect For Marriage Act to codify federal protections for same-sex marriage.
This puts it on a glide path to passage.
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) November 16, 2022
Wednesday's vote was not merely a procedural victory for the bill, but a signal about the shifting cultural norms surrounding same-sex marriage that have finally filtered their way into the political realm. As Reason's Scott Shackford explained earlier this week:
Same-sex marriage recognition is legal across the United States, but it's the result of two Supreme Court decisions: United States v. Windsor from 2013, and Obergefell v. Hodges from 2015. The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), passed by Congress in 1996 and signed by then-President Bill Clinton, prohibits federal recognition of same-sex marriages performed by states. Even though it's unenforceable, it's still currently on the books.
Cut that '90s nostalgia. In about a quarter century, we've gone from having a Democratic president sign a bipartisan bill to ban federal recognition of same-sex marriage to having a dozen Republican senators back an effort to permanently ensure equal protections under federal law for same-sex unions. That's not a huge surprise if you pay attention to the polling—seven in 10 Americans believe same-sex marriage should be legal, according to Gallup—but it still represents a significant moment in the political fight to advance liberty.
Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah), one of the dozen Republicans to support the bill in Wednesday's vote, said in a statement that it "provides important protections for religious liberty."
"While I believe in traditional marriage, Obergefell is and has been the law of the land upon which LGBTQ individuals have relied," Romney said in that statement. "This legislation provides certainty to many LGBTQ Americans, and it signals that Congress—and I—esteem and love all of our fellow Americans equally."
The cloture vote on the motion to proceed on the bill that codifies the right to same-sex marriage and interracial marriage passes with support from 12 Republicans:
Tillis
Collins
Lummis
Portman
Capito
Sullivan
Romney
Burr
Blunt
Ernst
Young
Murkowski— Grace Segers (@Grace_Segers) November 16, 2022
Though, as Shackford notes, the expected passage of the Respect for Marriage Act will not be the final say in this matter (nothing in politics ever is). The bill provides federal legal protections to same-sex marriages performed in states where such unions are legal, and forces other states to recognize legal out-of-state marriages, but it does not prevent states from setting their own rules about who can get married.
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NASA's Artemis I mission is still on its way to the moon and is expected to arrive on Monday. After that, it will spend roughly four weeks orbiting the moon before a planned return to Earth.
There are no astronauts on this mission, but that doesn't mean the Orion spacecraft is traveling empty. In addition to a Snoopy plushie, a few Lego astronaut figurines, and a couple of manikins, Space.com reports that it is also carrying tech that will be used to scan the moon's surface for water and yeast cells that scientists hope will yield some clues about the potential damage caused by long-term exposure to radiation in space. And, dare we hope, maybe will make for a really interesting beer.
Check out the latest issue of Reason for more about the moon mission, mankind's perpetual fascination with the stars, and the human ingenuity that's allowed us to reach out there.
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Twelve Republican senators voted to advance the bill...
Gaaaaaaaaaaay.
McConnell still has clout.
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If they love gay marriage so much, why don't they marry it?!
They're doing the next best thing. Unmentioned in the article is the fact that the bill will allow the IRS to revoke tax exempt status from churches that only want to perform traditional marriages.
Chalk up another point for liberty!
It's still a step up from:
"Everything within The State.
Nothing against The State.
Nothing outside The State."
Pretty sure you can't claim Witch-Burning expenses as tax-exempt either.
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi!
Disgusting. And how is marriage the business of the federal government in any way? Plus Romney calling Obergefell ‘the law of the land’? No law was ever passed.
All these assholes should be mulched.
Say hello to plural marriages next.
In another 25 years, this whole country will be Shelbyville.
I don't want to live where we can't marry our attractive cousins.
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You do not like them.
So you say.
Try them! Try them!
And you may.
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Upside Foods is the first lab-grown meat company to get the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) stamp of approval...
But only because the company agreed to give Pfizer a cut of the profits.
Will we get the nutrition label information in 2092?
Hopefully the EU will call the CEO in front of them to ask how it’s made.
'It's people! Upside meat is people! - R. Thorn
The Upside is, we solved the overpopulation problem.
It really is more Orwellian than soylent green.
First you let a rooster hang our with your favorite chicken. Then let it lay an egg. Then you kill the chick while still in the egg for its stem cells. Then you put its stem cells into a vat with nutrients and let it grow into a slab of meat.
My first read through I was wondering how they got a rooster to lay an egg.
But the principle is sound. Much more efficient than the old fashioned method of just eating the chicken after it grows up. And it gives you years of employment on some VC's dime while you figure out how to do it!
I still struggle with pronouns and correctly referring to the subject of the previous sentence. Is rooster the subject? My bad.
No! I was only pointing out my silly first interpretation.
My mind plays tricks on me, but isn’t always good enough at it that I don’t realize. I genuinely had about a second of “wait, roosters don’t lay eggs…” before the real joke sunk in.
I just love the ridiculous imagery of all the extra work to make chicken out of chicken stem cells instead of doing it the old fashioned way.
They offered the best stock options to the FDA Commissioner.
100% safe and effective with no downsides
Will they make lab grown human flesh for canibals? Reason can grandstand for it they way they do animated child porn.
Yes, but it will be penis shaped.
I suspect it was a parody website, but bitelabs claimed to be a startup trying to make cloned meat from your favorite celebrities. Hysterical stuff. In today's clown world it might have been serious.
Cannibals really are what they eat.
It’s incredible. They bring out the animal in me.
Animated?
It's being released under emergency use authorization since there's no substitute for it....oh wait, real meat.
Michelin-starred chef Dominique Crenn has already announced that she will serve Upside Foods' cultivated chicken at her restaurant...
But only because her exclusive clientele enjoys the taste of tires.
It's imbued with fresh sanctimony which hides the flavor.
A side order of smug.
Lab to table.
I heard the cultivated chicken has been engineered to ask the customer to please eat it.
Thinking no doubt of this moment from Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HLy27bK-wU
Yep
Funny. 🙂
Should COVID-19 lockdowns initiated under former President Donald Trump's watch disqualify him from being elected again?
Anyone involved in lockdowns has proven he or she didn't take that constitutional oath seriously.
Let’s pin it on trump!
I would take that ban if everyone involved in them were also prohibited from holding any sort of position of power.
A Fair trade
Only applies to Trump. Dems are exempt. Sorry.
Yeah, funny how no Dem pols were mentioned. Whitmer? Cuomo? The idiot in NJ? How about Biden and his plan to fire anybody that didn't take the jab?
FO Reason and WSJ for pushing this drivel.
Newsom on line 2
"I would take that ban if everyone involved in them were also prohibited from holding any sort of position of power."
This. I'd happily burn Trump as a witch if we get to use the Democrats and the GOPe as kindling.
Whole lot of Republican shills in this thread….
/s for the reading impaired
I have to agree. To get them all (all of those who deliberately stripped us of our individual liberties), I would give up Trump. But only for a clean sweep.
Whitmer was definitely following Trump’s orders.
I don't pin it all on Trump, but he proved feckless enough here that I'm happy to see him never have power.
You cannot hate on Brix or Fauci without also holding Trump accountable. They worked for him, and other than a couple tweets, he never reigned them in.
I get it- he was in an unfair position. It is likely that if he had fired them, forced them to resign, or otherwise tried to reign them in, the media would have skewered him. They would have done to him all that they tried to do to DeSantis and Kemp. Nevertheless, he went along, while the other governors did not.
Borris Johnson, Trump and others billed themselves as voices of the working man. And they allowed the deep state to lock those working men out of their jobs, and severely impact their lives. They did not want this to happen, and they may have had better intentions. But the results are what matters, and on that account Trump still has a debt to pay.
Well said. Trump’s willing participation in Covid theatre was a betrayal of the people.
I remember at the time, we were in the comments talking about this. It was rough for any politician- the one thing political opportunists, the media, and the public did not accept was that the best course of action was to do nothing. Being drastic was seen as more important than being right, and this is a sick and sad commentary on the entire race of humanity given how EVERYONE overreacted to the pandemic.
Public Choice Theory
I made a huge fool out of myself early on, talking up to a friend who lives in Berlin about how Americans would never put up with lockdowns.
Whoops. That didn't age well...
Being drastic was seen as more important than being right, and this is a sick and sad commentary on the entire race of humanity given how EVERYONE overreacted to the pandemic.
I assume by "everyone" you mean "everyone in a position to abuse any sort of power" and are distinguishing between the overreaction to COVID and the (lack of over)reaction to the original overreaction. I think the sum/net total of my reaction to COVID was to wear a buff all year that I would normally only wear 3 or so months out of the year. Maybe twice I (and my family) dined in at a restaurant that was less of a hassle about mask-and-vaxx rather than one that was closer or 'better'.
"But the results are what matters, and on that account Trump still has a debt to pay."
I guess it is worth calling out that he did pay a price: his mismanagement of the pandemic policy ultimately cost him the election. His inability to reign in the CDC gave states the cover they needed to implement all the electioneering that republicans feel cost them the election. And he never made a case for freedom- this allowed nervous nellies, and doomsayers pretty much carte blanche freedom to lockdown the nation.
Sweden, Georgia, Florida and other countries proved you could be more clear headed about this. Their leaders paid a price at the time, but in GA and FL, they survived politically. Trump, who let the fascists push him around and set the pace of the game, ultimately lost his title and his pandemic policy was a large part of that.
And it will likely cost him 2024 as well.
Yep.
To suggest that trump lost in ‘20 because he didn’t resist the “if it saves just one life” crowd hard enough requires the belief that there were enough people who would have voted for him, but did not because of covid policy.
That’s just silly. People were collecting their enhanced unemployment, stimulus checks, and renovating their houses. Also, the fear machine had them scared. Outside of niche places like this, there weren’t that many people worked up over lockdowns in Nov 2020.
It was fucked up, don’t get me wrong. I just don’t think that many people sat it out (much less voted for fucking Brandon) because of this.
I thought he meant that the lockdowns and the changed election/ballot rules helped the Dims.
Yep. It’s as if Trump didn’t really understand all that “the swamp” entailed.
I think anybody staring into that abyss wouldn’t understand it’s full depths. It would be like hearing an elder god speak.
If that were the case, then Newsom, Pritzker, and a whole host of others should be banned from running either.
Yes. Absolutely true.
Except, the article beginning this was a former supporter pointing out that this betrayed principles.
Newsome's base is San Francisco, abetted by Los Angeles. Those fuckers LOVE their mask wearing, lockdowing, virtue signalling shite. When Newsome preaches, it's San Francisco in the choir loft yelling Amen! They don't have a notion of "liberal" there at all, anymore.
No, no, no. Newsom should be appointed Vice President, because he was only loyally doing what Trump told him to do.
but there were no lockdowns according to teh left. that said could not read the pay wall article was Trump order an order or a proclamation since it was literally the governors who shut everything down
The article does discuss several things that Trump did. Namely, he continued to support the CDC. While it was up to governors to decide how to implement, the CDC- Trump's CDC- published the National COVID Mitigation Plan that called for the broad 15 day shut down. And it was Trump, not Brix or governors, who got up in front of the world and announced that the National COVID Mitigation Plan would be extended another 30 days.
The CDC has been an important force behind forced masking, forced closures and forced vaccination. It did this by cherry-picking science to support their preferred narratives and outcomes, and then issuing recommendations that ultimately were used as a pretext to close schools, businesses and hospitals. Trump has to be accountable for that, whether he was a full supporter or grudging participant.
Also not mention in the article, but worthy of discussion, is Trump sat by quietly as the CDC made themselves Lord of the Manor and declared an eviction moratorium.
A good executive manages his managers. Trump isn't an expert so him deferring to those under his authority who ostensibly were is not beyond the pale
The article's main stance is to knock Trump while praising DeSantis and framing the latter as the real hero for resisting Trump's call to shut down. It makes some fair points about DeSantis being better than Trump, but the claim that Trump was somehow the driving force behind lockdowns is just laughable.
In the end it's more the usual case of acting like Trump's inability to take control of things was actually him implementing a carefully orchestrated plan. I.e. we ignore that his messaging was all over the damn place (which as Overt rightly points out is probably the single biggest thing that cost him the election), and pretend that he was consistently screaming for lockdowns and everyone was simply following his lead because who would ever question the president during the Trump years?
I did not get the same sense from the article.
Pretty much every argument in the article was that Trump let the crazies run the Federal Government's response to COVID. The language is pretty clear that he saw Trump as a passive acceptor of crazy responses:
"Mr. Trump’s decision to adopt Chinese Communist Party tactics", recommended by the COVID Task Force, headed by Pence, Brix and Fauci.
He is not saying Trump was a "driving force", but rather "decided to adopt" the recommendations of the COVID task force.
"Mr. Trump did very little to constrain this overreach....Mr. Trump paid lip service to the need to reopen"
Again, not saying Trump was a driving force- just that he failed to use his power as POtUS to stop the insanity.
Again, not saying Trump was a driving force- just that he failed to use his power as POtUS to stop the insanity.
"Driving force" not in the sense that Trump was, himself, driven, but in the sense that the lockdowns were a result of everyone following his lead:
"his decision to approve and extend drastic Covid interventions should disqualify him for a second term."
"Mr. Trump’s decision to adopt Chinese Communist Party tactics and close down the country gave license to states to amplify and extend these terrible policies, to governors to wield unprecedented executive powers, and to school districts to shut students out for months or even years."
"His dramatic Covid order shut down your business, barred your kids from school, denied you access to your church, your gym and your coffee shop. It suppressed screenings and treatments for cancer and other illnesses and kept people from visiting loved ones in the hospital or attending their funerals."
OTOH when he called for an end to the lockdowns it's "Mr. Trump paid lip service to the need to reopen the country but never rallied lawmakers or other officials to do anything about it."
He never rallied people to shut down, either, yet he's somehow responsible for the one thing and not the other. The article asserts both that he was the central figure issuing the orders and that he passively failed to restrain the people issuing the orders, i.e. "acting like Trump’s inability to take control of things was actually him implementing a carefully orchestrated plan," while also, yes, taking him to task for his inability to take control of things.
Here's the money shot:
"Mr. DeSantis signed legislation that put specific triggers in place to prevent county health directors from declaring an emergency with unending powers. He implemented a patient’s bill of rights. He has continued to lead the battle against Dr. Fauci and his unending fear tactics."
Wasn't Trump also advocating literally all of these things?
"OTOH when he called for an end to the lockdowns it’s “Mr. Trump paid lip service to the need to reopen the country but never rallied lawmakers or other officials to do anything about it.”
He never rallied people to shut down, either, yet he’s somehow responsible for the one thing and not the other"
Yes, Trump is to be held accountable for what he did (and did not do) not for what he said. He had the power to reign in the CDC- he could have told Fauci "Either release guidelines that allow the country to stay open safely, or I will find someone who does."
He gets no credit for "calling to reopen" the country because his calls were not what he should have been doing.
"He never rallied people to shut down, either,"
Yes. He did. He was the one who announced on public address that we would shut down for 15 days. And then for 30 days. He did that- using his press conferences- to rally the nation. And that was in concert with Brix and Fauci issuing guidance and videos about flattening the curve.
"Wasn’t Trump also advocating literally all of these things?"
Who cares what Trump was "advocating". His job wasn't "advocate of the US" it was President. Trump advocated all sorts of things- he was all over the map. Were some of the things good? Perhaps, but that means nothing compared to DeSantis who actually, you know, did those things. If Trump had spent time actually getting the CDC whipped into shape (to this day, they still have not commissioned double-blind studies on masking among kids), instead of being "an advocate", he wouldn't be getting this rightful criticism.
Again, not saying Trump was a driving force- just that he failed to use his power as POtUS to stop the insanity.
This is a very interesting point. I had not thought of this perspective.
"but there were no lockdowns according to teh left."
???
At least some people on the left loved lockdowns, as Stuck in California points out. It's not possible for them to love lockdowns if they are claiming there were none:
https://reason.com/2022/11/17/12-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage-in-key-senate-vote/?comments=true#comment-9799073
Any claims to there being no lockdown is pure bullshit. We weren't supposed to leave our fucking homes. People on fucking New Brighton beach had the fucking pigs called on them by junior fascists for the crime of being somewhere they weren't from. This entire bitch was in lockdown city and any claims to the contrary should earn a woodchipper massage
Should Biden's attempts to mandate vaccines (which were limited at best preventing the spread of COVID, which was the rationale of the mandate) disqualify him from holding the office of the President right now? Throw in the student loan forgiveness nonsense for good measure.
Yes they should- especially when he said that he didn't have the power to mandate vaccines, and then suddenly came in with the mandate hammer when he needed to distract the country from his disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. Trump has a lot to answer for in COVID Policy. Biden has all that, plus his cynical politicization of the vaccine.
But only one of the two will pay a price.
Crowds in Fenway Park in Boston did chant "Fuck Joe Biden".
He thought they were chanting “Let’s go Brandon”.
His opponents LOVED the lockdowns. They should worship him.
I'm all for this rule, starting with Jay Inslee, who ACTUALLY locked my state down.
What actual lockdown did Trump order? Not sending the National Guard to exterminate the Governors actually ordering lockdowns? Or was he supposed to know more than the "experts" advising him, or perhaps welcome impeachment for firing Faucci like the Dems threatened with their FBI co-conspirators.
Exactly. Trump resisted the hysteria and was fairly measured in his response. Following advice from his experts is the expectation
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Joe's not here, man.
What about Jackie? Is she here?
It's only designed to expand research (article doesn't say how) and protect doctors discussing marijuana with patients (which is silly, since there's never been legal action to protect them from).
According to some geniuses here, the latest victim of TDS is ........ Ann Coulter?
Trump is poisonous to the conservative agenda, so he and the media have exactly the same agenda: Promote Trump.
OMG! Turns out it is possible to think Trump was the right nominee for 2016, but will only help Democrats' chances in 2024!
More TDS victims, apparently.
As Trump announces 2024 White House run, GOP megadonors back DeSantis, Youngkin, other Republicans
"'I’m not going to give (Trump) a f---ing nickel,' said New York-based businessperson Andy Sabin, who donated $120,000 toward Trump’s failed 2020 reelection bid."
Would you look at that. Some adults actually have the ability to identify a failed strategy and recommend a different approach.
It's rather amusing that the media remains baffled how a voter base and donors who decided to begin the process of extricating themselves from the neocons in 2010, and kissed off Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan just a few short years after putting them in the catbird's seat, wouldn't decide to drop Trump as well once they determined he wasn't the horse to hitch their wagon to anymore.
Trump is just an interesting case because of the cult of personality around him. The political right doesn't usually cling to those, outside of Reagan. The Left has been consistently about near idolatry of political leaders, like FDR, Kennedy, Clinton, Obama. You even see it in the leaders they rejected like Cuomo. Cuomo, like Obama, won awards based on complete bullshit because of cultish personality followings, and Trump has that.
People actually opened Trump Stores, which I just find weird. But there's definitely a following for him as a person which goes well beyond "He promotes a political agenda I find agreeable." That statement is the only thing I ever vote on, though.
I've pointed out several times now that Trump should have taken the lesson from 2020 that there was no way in hell the establishment--Chamber of Commerce, mass media, academia, GOPe, etc.,--is going to let him get back in charge again, and simply been content to endorse candidates. Time Magazine laid out in explicit detail how all these entities worked together to make sure he wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of remaining in office, no matter how the vote came out, and there's nothing in the last two years to indicate that this won't happen again.
Besides all this, as I've said, he's too fucking old and even taking his eccentric personality into account, he's just as liable to start acting like a dementia patient as Biden is right now. We really need to start considering whether there should be a Constitutional amendment imposing age limits on those who can hold federal office--say, no older than 70 when you declare your candidacy. We saw what happened with Reagan, we're seeing it now with Biden, and look at all the fucking fossils in Congress right now that won't give up their sinecures. It shouldn't be too hard to leverage Gen Z and Millennial generational disgust at Boomers to make something like that happen.
I say this with the caveat that such an amendment should also raise the voting age to 25, when you become eligible to run for Congress.
Unless they up the minimum military recruitment age, that won't fly.
The age of majority used to be 21 while 18 year olds were eligible to be drafted. That's not the conflict you think it is.
Yeah, but when you clean out the fossils and go "younger", you still end up with Fetterman v. Oz.
True, but you have to start somewhere. "We're going to get shitty candidates anyway" shouldn't be a reason to check out on needed reforms that might actually be manageable even in this environment. And if it isn't a step to making things better, then we might as well accept that this experiment should be ended and move on.
What was wrong with Reagan?
*Billionaires can't buy Trump*
Works for Bernie.
There have to be a good amount of big R donors who made the calculation that Trump = guaranteed 1-2 SCOTUS seats, and that was worth every penny.
That calculus changes significantly after losing an election to a dementia patient that didnt campaign.
Yes.
Further, you don't have to buy into #1/6WasWorseThan9/11 (I spent months mocking that absurd comparison) to realize Trump's behavior since November 2020 makes him an even weaker 2024 option.
And he was already borderline "too old" in 2016. He'd be way too old in 2024, and would make Biden's advanced age not look so bad in comparison.
Yup. But go over to places like Instapundit and read the comments. The cult of personality is strong there. People who will brook no dissent and dismiss out of hand ANY Trump criticism, no matter how mild.
"Trump’s behavior since November 2020 makes him an even weaker 2024 option."
I think that is too mild. He used the 2020 legal fights as a pretext to build a giant warchest- draining millions of dollars into his coffers that have remained closed. He gave little to no help to candidates he boosted in 2022, while the National GOP was forced to spend over a hundred million dollars trying to win with those candidates he pushed through the primaries. Frankly, he has been a selfish ass more interested in getting his than building a party that outlasts him. *shrug*
Sadly, the things that I will miss about him- his SCOTUS picks, de-regulation and anti-war stances- seem to be the least likely to be carried on by those who follow him.
his SCOTUS picks, de-regulation and anti-war stances-
Somehow the important stuff doesn’t matter.
Never does.
It's all about the big lie, and I mean that in the original sense. Keep saying something enough and people will believe it, so even before the election was done literally ever major mainstream media outlet was calling Trump "Racist, homophopic, transphobic, misogynistic..." the same list of pejoratives. They don't need specifics, it's just "known" that he's an authoritarian, everyone says so.
And now most people believe it to be true. Goebbels was a prick, but he was right about that. Say it enough and people believe it.
Yeah, that's a good point. Most of the people who like him don't like him because of the stuff I like about him. So he's not particularly helpful as a symbolic cudgel.
I don’t know what instapundit is.
But the question to ask in those cases is how many of those are real people, and how many are fifty centers?
An awful lot of the most rabid supporters of various political factions are not the most numerous, but the loudest voices and amplified by people who are attempting to make it SEEM like they’re far more common than they really are. The internet isn’t the real world, it’s the propagandists' dream world.
"I don’t know what instapundit is."
?!?! You weren't an adult in the early 2000's were you? Anyways, check them out- it's basically where Mother's Lament gets all his Reason Rundown links that he posts every morning. Glenn Reynolds is probably one of the most popular right-leaning, libertarian-adjacent bloggers out there. His site Instapundit is where he posts.
"But the question to ask in those cases is how many of those are real people, and how many are fifty centers?"
I have questioned this myself. But, sadly, I've had to accept that the majority of these people are real.
"it’s basically where Mother’s Lament gets all his Reason Rundown links that he posts every morning."
True story, check it out.
Glenn Reynolds also used to write here: https://reason.com/search/Glenn%20Reynolds/
He used to support the Iraq War but has since recanted.
I was definitely an adult at the turn of the century.
Not sure about now, though.
But I don't accept that the majority of people posting in most online forums are real. The more popular the forum the more manipulated it gets. And there are a LOT of players doing their manipulations.
There might be real people typing the words, but with agendas either their own or that they're paid to promote. It might be subtle, but there. Or it might be more obvious. But I watch for it and am dubious about most onliners, especially those constantly "on message".
And he was already borderline “too old” in 2016. He’d be way too old in 2024, and would make Biden’s advanced age not look so bad in comparison.
^View from the left lens.
View from the center lens: He's not too old, but we factually did re-engineer voting between 2016 and 2020-2022 and we re-engineered voting in a lot of really dumb ways that make actually retarded candidates look more viable and actually rewards candidates who, regardless of party and even if they are more sharp-witted (even if that just makes them the tallest mental midget), dumb themselves down to the IQ-level of people who think it's a great idea to vote weeks in advance because it's way more convenient.
View from the "Trump" lens: Trump, though old, is still a better candidate than Biden both campaign-wise and administratively. The question isn't if he can win, it's if libertarians and independents can see through the illegal election engineering and also figure out how to stop punching themselves in the dick by mocking the people they believe to be morons who claim the election was rigged. Further, mocking them in order to default or defer to the morons who think voting weeks before an election and counting votes weeks after an election isn't literally disconnected from all reality just as much as counting sheep or any kabuki play.
The primary change needed is to get rid of the ballot harvesting and other remote voting that makes fraud and selling your vote much easier for the party and disinterested voter respectively.
“I’m not going to give money to Trump.” – Not TDS.
“I’m not going to give money to Trump because I think he’s going to lose.” – Not TDS.
“I’m going to give money to DeSantis and Youngkin because they’re obviously more honest, less power hungry, and less egomaniacal than Trump.” – Potential TDS, possible standard stupidity (also not necessarily what was said).
“I can distinguish between impartial opinions and obviously stupid political hype-and-slander unless the target is Trump, then the hype-and-slander is invariably correct (even if it wasn't necessarily asserted as right/wrong) because it agrees with me like it did everybody else in 2016.” – Textbook TDS.
Seriously, it really is like genuine cognitive test. Like if you gave someone a list of 5 items that included the word, not even the name, ‘trump’ and then asked them 5 min. later to list the 5 items you wouldn’t get any of them past ‘trump’. Or if you gave them a 10 question math test without saying anything, and then said “Donald Trump scored an 9 out of 10 on this test.” and gave them the test again, their score would change more often than a group you just gave the test to twice.
The test scores changing would be a product of the tester changing the scale afterwards so there were 15-20 points now all weighted on the question Trump got wrong and hints for the takers on that question.
To be fair, if memory serves, Coulter soured on Trump before his term was over as being a lot of rhetoric but not much action.
That sounds like the last 40 years of the Republican Party summed up in one sentence.
there is was always hope that they would act on their words ironically Trump tired but the GOP establishment stopped him
" but the GOP establishment stopped him"
Did they?
Not so much stopped him as were a bunch of infighting dolts while they had an opportunity to push legislation.
Which is part of what's good about Rs. Ds will work in lockstep to do things that, somehow, always fuck me over. So I take the keystone cops over the mafia when I have the choice.
She often said he handed too much power to his daughter and son-in-law.
Yeah, but that wasn't a surprise--my sister-in-law even remarked that Ivanka was probably the only person in his inner circle that he actually trusted (apparently he still talked to Ivana quite a bit as well, before she passed, whenever he wanted advice). It's not really an accident that Don Jr. and Eric have mostly been on the sidelines their entire adult lives, while Ivanka was promoted as the heir apparent to his business empire.
Just watch and compare any interview with Ivanka vs. Eric. (Don Jr. is somewhere in between, but closer to Eric).
"the latest victim of TDS is …….. Ann Coulter?"
Coulter was slagging Trump as far back as 2017. She was mad Trump didn't appoint her to anything, and that he wasn't more restrictionist during Covid.
Here she is hating on him back in May of 2020, before the election:
https://popculture.com/trending/news/ann-coulter-confuses-critics-slamming-donald-trump-jeff-sessions/#2
"The most disloyal actual retard that has ever set foot in the Oval Office is trying to lose AND take the Senate with him. Another Roy Moore fiasco so he can blame someone else for his own mess."
"3 years ago, a complete moron of a president told NBC's Lester Holt, "I was going to fire Comey. ... [W]hen I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, 'You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.'" BAM! SPECIAL"PROSECUTOR!
"COVID gave Trump a chance to be a decent, compassionate human being (or pretending to be). But he couldn't even do that. "
Ann has had TDS ever since Trump didn't simply materialize the wall through force of will. This happened less than a year into his presidency. She has been shrieking this whole time.
And no one cares what donors say now. When Trump announced the first time megadonors laughed at him.
Shouldn't you know that?
If, as you claim, you were OBL, you certainly seem amazingly stupid. OBL knew just the right cutting jabs. You're just a fount of gope talking points.
Is this a new act?
My last post as OBL was here followed within 2 minutes by a test to make sure the name change worked. And notice both names link to the same Shikha open borders screed. If that doesn't convince you I ran the OBL account, nothing will.
And I'm sorry if you misunderstood the point of the character. The point was never to assert Trump was fantastic. It was to parody the #Resistance habit of making idiotic claims when the truth was much simpler. (Stuff like RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION when the better explanation was just that Hillary was a terrible candidate.)
Finally, I'm not sure why it has to be an "act" to notice things like (1) Trump will be 8 years older in 2024 than in 2016 (when he was already fairly old), (2) he will probably not have the advantage of running against Hillary again, (3) he already lost to Biden once, (4) whining like a little bitch about 2020 obviously loses him more support than it gains, and (5) Democrats are praying he gets the nomination because he fires up the Dem base and Independent voters are sick of him.
“(2) he will probably not have the advantage of running against Hillary again,”
God I hope you’re wrong.
If Trump is on the ballot, I'll probably vote for him. I am under no illusion he'll actually do anything for me, but on the other hand, he likely won't declare me a public enemy, either.
So the upshot is this: he won't do me any harm, and he makes people I don't like cry. That may not be much, but given the alternatives, I'll take it.
So the upshot is this: he won’t do me any harm, and he makes people I don’t like cry. That may not be much, but given the alternatives, I’ll take it.
Ditto
What other choice would there be anyway? Biden? Or some other democrat who is a committed marxist?
"Fuck regulators," adding, "they make everything worse."
Mostly only money laundering, and even then...
I do love how lockdowns are blamed on Trump, He did not lock down anything.
How do we know lockdowns were a failure? The left media claims they were Trump's.
The same principle applies with Obamacare. If it wasn't a failure the left wouldn't be claiming it was a Republican idea.
Well, Obamacare was a Republican idea originally, from the Heritage Foundation and implemented by then-governor Mitt Romney.
It did make hospitals and insurance companies more money, which was the entire purpose.
I’m not sure it makes insurance companies more money than they could in some other type of healthcare system, but what it does do is build a moat around the existing insurance companies so they always earn at least moderate and consistent profits with no risk of competition or failure.
At this point, the insurance companies are quasi-government agencies and we might as well have single payer for all the difference there is between the insurance companies.
No, we might as well get rid of Obamacare. Nice try though.
implemented by then-governor Mitt Romney.
At a state level.
Surprise: this is not true. The Heritage Foundation proposed mandating CATASTROPHIC COVERAGE as an alternative to Clinton's Universal Insurance proposal. And yeah they proposed things like private exchanges. That isn't the same as the soup-to-nuts regulatory takeover from Obamacare.
It is shitty that Romney ultimately signed into law a universal care plan, and he should own it. But the idea that it was a "Republican" plan is ridiculous. Obamacare barely resembles anything that Heritage or Republicans were putting out there.
I’m shocked, shocked! that SRG is full of shit. Again.
Except not. That Obamacare was not identical to the Heritage initial proposal nor Romneycare doesn't mean it didn't flow from it.
Haven't you got a sock to run somewhere?
Georgia GOP Senate candidate Herschel Walker has thoughts on…vampires?
Finally someone speaking to the issues I care about.
He speaks like a normal guy and the media hates him for it.
Still beats a brain damaged Marxist. Or the other Marxist Walker is running against who is a thieving wife beater.
Reason Rundown
White Mike, Joe Friday hardest hit
WaPo Sheepishly Admits the FBI Found No Nuclear Secrets, or Anything Else, in Mar-a-Lago Raid
"Federal agents and prosecutors have come to believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos, according to people familiar with the matter...
That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said."
So the raid was pointless, probably criminal. Look at all the interesting stuff we learn a week after midterms.
I didn't learn anything new. I always realized Trump was a pathetic child, and that #Resistance fantasies like "Putin is blackmailing him with a pee tape because he's been a Russian intel asset since '87 and now he's selling nuclear secrets to North Korea" were even more pathetic. 🙂
Fuck off and turn yourself in for abusing children, shit-weasel.
That's OBL, not Shrike.
That's Sandra, not Buttplug.
Ah, shit. I blame the cold medicine and the illiteracy. Apologies, Sandra.
Buttplug would've called him "fatass Donnie" anyway, and still continued to push the Russia crappola.
I thought you were seriously accusing me of being a Buttplug sock. Which seemed odd because, all those times as OBL I rubbed his face in the stupid shit he's said ("HAPERINFLATION!"), I really meant it.
Or maybe you’re playing 5-D chess?
4 Ds too many to be SPB2
SPB2 would be playing 12AA, not 34DD.
Gross lol.
True, but still gross
Nice burn.
Come on, I'm marginally better than that
Well she did call Trump a pathetic child so that is textbook child abuse
They a really afraid of the guy.
So it played out 100% how it was predicted in the commentariat 5 minutes after the raid happened. Who woulda thought.
Who else had:
"Obvious fishing expedition, based on essentially nothing, in which the media 'perp walk' gets blasted on page 1 by every MSM outlet, with conspiracy about selling nuclear secrets, ending after midterms are over, nothing was found, walls wont close in, and meek retraction printed on the bottom of page 15."
Oh ya, every fucking person here with a brain
I was totally thinking that they were doing all of that just to get that picture of him being escorted by law enforcement (and any other things they could do to imply guilt/criminality), even if it it was just for questioning or whatever. I think they knew from the jump that this whole documents thing was a nothing-burger, but it had to potential to get those juicy pictures they would be able to use anytime they talked about Trump in the future.
We should start our own newsletter.
It's way more satisfying than reading this place. The comments are getting busier, too.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/
130 comments, nice.
Rarely spam and never shrike, so........
I wonder if the usual suspects will be libertarian enough to admit they were wrong for shitting on anyone that said the raid stank of bullshit.
“Federal agents and prosecutors have come to believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos, according to people familiar with the matter…
That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said.”
So just like every other President in U.S. history, as has been observed by anyone with a functioning brain since the beginning
Damn, I really thought the walls were closing in after that BOMBSHELL
"Damn, I really thought the walls were closing in after that BOMBSHELL"
Someone one this site, this week, was claiming Trump would be executed for treason because of this whole Mar-a-lago business. What an absolute chump.
Sounds like Tony.
This was always likely to be a small potatoes thing and I expect many other Presidents have taken stuff they probably should not have, but are not particularly important. Trump, being persona non grata in the political establishment, gets reamed over a matter a Bush, Clinton or Obama would have been allowed to slide on.
What evidence is there for the counterfactual claim, "...Bush, Clinton or Obama would have been allowed to slide on"? We don't actually know if they would have been allowed to slide -- because, in our reality timeline at least, they did comply with the laws.
Sure we do, because they all did exactly the same thing, you cheap shill.
From Obama's own website:
https://www.obama.org/wp-content/uploads/BOF-NARA-LOI.pdf
This info was presented multiple times when the story first broke and Dee ignored it then to.
Sullum was hit pretty hard as well, writing about nuclear secrets not once but twice.
That's right. I wonder if he'll correct the record or if he'll pretend those articles never happened?
Neither. He'll write another article with a whole bunch of mental gymnastics to justify the raid, even though it's turned up nothing and will result in nothing.
So the raid was pointless, probably criminal. Look at all the interesting stuff we learn a week after midterms.
But remember, even after The October Surprise, the actual re-engineering of elections during COVID, the Pfizer Vaccine, and now this, the people claiming that elections are rigged are the real morons here.
Shut up incel! - whoever has their hand up Quimby
Reason Rundown
The Post-Red-Trickle Mitch McConnell Will Be a Problem for Conservatives
He was in charge, refused party funding for non-GOPe Republican candidates and didn't do anything about combatting fraud, but it's all Trump's fault.
Well, the Republicans were such winners before Trump showed up.
Mitch McConnel has been a problem a lot longer than that.
Reason Rundown
Breaking News: Several former SpaceX employees say they were fired for an open letter critical of Elon Musk. Now, they’ve filed charges with labor regulators.
Well that's going to go nowhere, but at least the NYT gets a couple of articles to pretend that it was hypocrisy.
Start your own rocket company.
Did Rahul Ligma also work for SpaceX?
I await schakford article about the necessity of intergenerational marriage equity
So does Pluggo.
interspecies Equity
Reason Rundown
Shrike's 0.6% annual inflation adds up fast.
Your Thanksgiving Dinner Will Cost You 20 Percent More This Year Than Last
Only if you are serving spittin tobaccy for dinner
Just walkin' bird and injun eyes at my house
The so called "Respect for Marriage Act" protections for religious freedom only seem to extend to officially recognized church organizations, not private individuals and their businesses. This looks like a "bake the cake" to enforce compliance with progressive social ideology.
Yeah, that's the point that strikes me. I don't know if Ms. Nolan-Brown is just too stupid to realize it (certainly possible) or just dishonestly trying to evade the fact, but the bill goes a lot further than codifying the Obergefell status quo. In practice, it's probably more accurate to call it a anti-religious freedom bill in drag than a same sex marriage bill.
The fact that the "Quick Hits" section does not consist of links to yesterday's Reason articles should have alerted you that ENB's turn in the roundup rotation is over.
Can’t it be both?
Yeah. The usual specific ambiguity, celebration parallax, smails exhortation, cultural scope-creep waltz:
Celebration parallax: DOMA was wrong to define marriage at the federal level and it's good that it was struck down... so that we can define marriage at the federal level the correct way.
Specific ambiguity: So, now that we agree we should define marriage at the federal level, what is the correct way to define it? Why anything by anyone who happens to be in charge... except DOMA, of course!
Smails exhortation: So, what does the average voter who may or may not be gay or may or may not be in a relationship get out of this expansion of power? You'll get nothing and like it!
Darrell Brooks sentencing: Life in prison without extended supervision
https://www.fox6now.com/news/darrell-brooks-sentencing-waukesha-christmas-parade-11162022
Dont know who the hell this guy is, but did anyone ever track down that Red SUV and make sure it did time?
As for Brooks, never heard of him.
Another SUV went ape shit in LA yesterday.
We need common sense SUV controls.
They should put the red SUV through a restorative justice session instead of jail time, we all know how the sales lot-to-prison pipeline works!
I wanna know who the person was that called in and threatened a mass shooting on the courtroom during the sentencing hearing.
If anyone else was watching the streams, the trial has been a total shit show since Brooks represented himself. I'm sure there are some highlights on youtube or something.
Yes, that's a word for it..highlights
What in the ever-living hell is this shit?
https://abc7news.com/guaranteed-income-san-francisco-gift-transgender-assistance-pilot-sf-trans-community/12460469/
The Guaranteed Income for Trans People (GIFT) Program will provide low-income transgender residents with $1,200 each month, up to 18 months to help address financial insecurity within the community.
The meteoric rise in transgender numbers certainly has nothing to do with social contagion and incentivization of victim status.
Nope, the 20,000% increase in transgender people is completely organic.
Not really an accident that LGBTQ+ identification in Zoomers tends to correlate with their general mental illness rates, either.
How unexpected that deliberate alienation of young people by schools and mass media from their parents and from society as an "oppressive system" resulted in massive social dislocations! Who could have seen that coming? At least our intentions were good.
I'm also sure it's just a coincidence that a lot of MtF trannies tend to be massive incel porn addicts with AGP, end up short-circuiting their coomer capability by cutting their dick off so they can't even bust a nut anymore, and then end up spiraling into further deviance and addictive behaviors as a coping mechanism.
I'm looking forward to the next ten years of the media gaslighting us that these hunch-backed BPD cases are Stunning and Beautiful True and Honest Women.
"I’m looking forward to the next ten years of the media gaslighting us that these hunch-backed BPD cases are Stunning and Beautiful True and Honest Women."
Ya, the biggest thing protecting their argument for this shit right now is there really are no large scale, long term results. Of course this is the case because it was exceedingly rare and people would be ostracized because its fucking gross.
But you can only gaslight so much. It will hit critical mass when we see large swaths even more debilitated by their mental illness, suicide, addiction, and deformity.
Caitlyn Jenner may be one of the ones the media holds up, but for every one of him, there are 100 Jazz stories. These people end up extremely sad, dissatisfied, and frankly disgusting. You can only put it on a pedestal so long before people start seeing how much you have gaslit them.
The problem is of course they are performing this experiment on our kids.
The Lia Thomas situation and the drama in Loudon County seems to have been the points where normies started to say, "hold up, this shit is kind of fucked up." If you live in a blue area, your best bet is to either high-tail it to a red area and work to prevent troon entryism from taking place, or mass together with a bunch of like-minded people to organize against it. A tall poppy is going to get cut; it's a lot harder to dismiss organizational grassroots efforts, but that takes work and a lot of the people who don't like this shit were conditioned for about 40 years to believe that anything the government does is bad, instead of recognizing that the enemy was going to maximize those tools if they had the chance, and prevent the left from employing them from the get-go by making sure their advocates didn't have a seat at the table.
But according to Kmele Foster and Katherine Mangu-Ward, no one really cares about women's sports and all this is a dog whistle.
A fascinating attempt at deflection which enables the deflector to dismiss the the issue out of hand without actually considering the merits of the ideas behind it.
Yeah, it's telling how the Cathedral members employ these buzzwords as thought-stopping mechanisms, instead of actually exploring the broader issues on a thoughtful basis.
What I take most from the libertarian adjacent pundits is that they would really like that whole debate to just go away. They do not seem willing to argue directly for the trans activist position, but they also do not want to openly oppose it in even the mildest way either. So they try to not have any deep discussion about it at all. They seem scared.
Well, sure they are. That's why a lot of issues that are part of how a nation identifies itself are derided as "culture war issues," as if such things should never be discussed in a public sphere because they're too "distracting" or "divisive." Well, no shit, they're supposed to be--controversial issues SHOULD generate a lot of debate over what a society is willing to tolerate, as the side who can't convince others by persuasion typically resorts to back-channel or brute-force means to get their way.
Put it this way--until Dobbs, the last real big W the right had in the culture war was the death of the Equal Rights Amendment. Phyllis Schlafly led that fight during a time when feminist ideology was seen in a deterministic way--no matter what they demanded, they got. Schlafly stopped that in its tracks by going hard into the paint and acting as the public face of the opposition. The ERA battle should be proof that the left's historic determinism can be arrested, but that requires actual hard work the local level and persistent grassroots organization, and that's been a massive weakness of the right for a long time ever since Reagan.
Easier to round up the left and kick them out.
I'd imagine something wildly unconstitutional
The trans are the sacred caste of our new Woke State Religion, of course, the must be financially supported and wrapped in swaddling.
In a few years they will be bold to make pedophiles the new darling class.
They will have to boost the pay before I cut my dick off.
How much?
Not enough money exists.
Why? Just call it "ladydick".
Can I also just claim that I "identify as living in San Francisco" and get the stipend as well? $1800 a month will go a long fuckin' way in Albuquerque. 😀
It’s worth a shot, actually.
I had that same thought, it also occurred to me that I am all 93 genders living in one body. As my name is Legion, for I am many. And I expect eqdh and every one of those beings to get paid.
Can't people just found a charity?
They don't want to spend their own money (of which they likely have little). They want to spend your money.
Progreesives tend to be extremely generous with other people's money. Their own, not so much.
They're compassionate that way. Not like conservatives.
[exhale laughs]
So, The city of San Francisco will be writing trannies GIFTPP checks?
[exhale laughs]
[wipes tears]
Democrats lying? What a shock!
https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-falsely-claim-robert-e-183037444.html
The most prominent holiday preventing early voting on that Saturday is Thanksgiving, which is on Thursday, November 24. But in Georgia, the Friday after Thanksgiving is also a state holiday. For decades, that holiday commemorated Lee’s birthday, but in 2015 Republican governor Nathan Deal ended the holiday’s controversial affiliation with the Confederate leader.
Oops, our bad.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-g-20-summit-nato-biden-government-and-politics-c76bead57a11bc8397a30ee7bb06264e
“Ukraine’s defense was launching their missiles in various directions, and it is highly probable that one of these missiles unfortunately fell on Polish territory,” said Polish President Andrzej Duda. “There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest that it was an intentional attack on Poland.”
Payoffs
After three days of headlines the correction on page 36.
My paper ran it on page 10. The first page, above the fold, article was about how the local cops couldn't find the person who stole 100 campaign signs off lawns and roadways and tossed them in a dumpster.
Zalensky is still saying it was Russia while prodding NATO into a war.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/zelensky-rejects-nato-view-russia-poland-missile
Doesn't this mean that technically the Ukrainians have now attacked a NATO member and we have to go to war with them?
Only if we give Zelensky what he demanded.
I'm pretty sure the Ukraine doesn't want to be attacked by NATO in addition to being attacked by Russia.
But man... Putin would never see it coming. 😀
TBH, it probably would have been cheaper if we just invaded Ukraine ourselves and made it a territory.
But then certain folks couldn't launder money through there via FTX as easily.
That would save them from the Russians.
That's condescending, eh.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/exchange-china-calls-canadas-manner-condescending-93464584
A Chinese spokesperson on Thursday accused Canada of acting in a “condescending manner" following a testy exchange between President Xi Jinping and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that underscores the depths to which the bilateral relationship has fallen.
Xi hates competition
Justin annoying his higher ups.
Dressed down for insubordination, but what will really hurt is the penalty on his monthly remuneration.
All theater. Trudeau wants to show that he's tough against China when we all know he's a puppet.
What I would support is Congress getting the hell out of the marriage debate.
Reason Rundown
Hunter Biden interviewer says his 'hands were tied' from asking political questions
"host Nawfal complained that the interview was "f*cking stressful" because of strict constraints on questions."
Chickenshit
Robbie?
https://www.yahoo.com/now/ftx-advisers-only-fraction-company-135328903.html
Advisers now overseeing the carcass of Sam Bankman-Fried’s FTX Group are struggling to locate the company’s cash and crypto after finding poor internal controls and record keeping at the now-bankrupt company.
Advisers have located “only a fraction” of the digital assets of the FTX Group that they hope to recover during the Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Ray said. They’ve so far secured about $740 million of cryptocurrency in offline cold wallets, a storage method designed to prevent hacks.
Did they try looking into the DNC's campaign funds from the last election?
Memeology 101 posted an interview that Bankman-Fried did with Chuck Todd last month, and it's incredible that someone didn't call for an intervention on this dude. He's stuttering, shaking, and rocking back and forth in his chair, and is clearly either coked out of his mind or upped his adderall intake before the interview.
And the elites trusted this head case with their money, which says all we need to know about both them, and the eventual fate of our society unless men with actual balls start running the place again.
"Did they try looking into the DNC’s campaign funds from the last election?"
Or checked for Clinton Foundation/HRC campaign fund 'coincidences?
Georgia GOP Senate candidate Herschel Walker has thoughts on…vampires?
Herschel Walker roasted by NFL fans after dancing to Bone Thugs n Harmony - “They’re gonna name a brand of CTE after Herschel Walker”
https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-nfl-fans-roast-georgia-senate-candidate-herschel-walker-moves-bone-thugs-n-harmony
Tell us again why the black Republican is stupid and inferior, but Fetterman isn't.
It would sell a lot of seats, and popcorn, to have Walker and Fetterman do a pay per view wrestling match on the floor of the Senate.
Walker would destroy
We get it already. It infuriates you when "Black bodies" disobey your command to vote Democrat. That was clear long before the football player entered politics (see your reactions to Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, etc.).
nothing pisses off a white prog more than any sort of black independent thought.
"back to the plantation, boy!" - buttplug
Fun thing is when I lived in IL I had a former KC Chief as a state senator (he also ran for US Senator but lost the primary) but he's a Dem so its OK.
What color was his skin?
um ... he was a Chief.
Red?
Elizabeth Warren?
You are truly deranged and suffering from WDS.
It is amazing watching shrike claim he wants split government, then doing everything he can to promote the democrat in every election.
It is a cynical ploy on the part of Republicans.
For some Republicans, any warm body that can be used as a pawn is sufficient. The fact that Herschel Walker happens to be Black is an irony too delicious to resist for some voters who have chosen to rally behind one of the most unqualified political candidates in recent memory.
To some voters, Walker is that malleable warm body, ready to be used. His difficulty in articulating a comprehensive sentence, his documented history of violence, his obvious lack of understanding and his moral hypocrisy regarding abortion do not matter.
Certainly, Black leaders are entitled to have different thoughts, ideas and political ideologies. Some may disagree with conservative leaders like Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, but they would not describe him as incompetent. Black political leaders can be conservative without being a walking stereotype.
Walker's history of terrorizing women through violent threats and stalking is well-documented, as well as his shameful failure to recognize the multiple children he has fathered.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/herschel-walker-embodies-every-negative-080015874.html
You just can't stand it, a black man who doesn't do the Democrat's bidding and stay on the proverbial plantation.
You do suffer from Walker Derangement Syndrome.
"Some may disagree with conservative leaders like Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, but they would not describe him as incompetent."
This is very true. The words they use to describe black conservatives are "coon," "house n*gger," "Uncle Tom," "internalized racism," "white adjecent," etc. Much more filthy and degrading than simply arguing against someone's competence for the job.
"the most unqualified political candidates in recent memory."
The lack of self awareness here is simply stunning. The dems have given us two dementia patients, an elderly alcoholic with a crippling Botox addiction, Frankenstein's Monster, a guy who doesn't know how islands work, a dude who thinks the Chinese spy really loves him, and a socialist bartender, just to name a few off the top of my head.
You forgot the cackling word queen and little miss reads from the binder.
That’s a whole lot of racist to fit in one post. I’m sickened.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Reason Rundown
Austin Has Been Invaded by Texas The progressive paradise is over for some, and they’re fleeing to bluer pastures.
"“Tell him he can’t leave,” whispered a woman seated under an umbrella. “There are too many Republicans.”
This article is fantastic because it's presented unironically and without a hint of sarcasm or mockery.
The left recruits social misfits by offering them a community in exchange for loyalty just as other cults do. But also like cults any deviation from their core teachings results in excommunication. So they’re afraid of any contamination.
This is why left wingers are the most boring people on the planet.
They couldn't survive the company.
https://babylonbee.com/video/californians-move-to-texas-episode-2-the-cookout
What happens when you money launder.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/business/ftx-ceo-complete-failure/index.html
“From compromised systems integrity and faulty regulatory oversight abroad, to the concentration of control in the hands of a very small group of inexperienced, unsophisticated and potentially compromised individuals, this situation is unprecedented,” said John J. Ray III, who previously oversaw the liquidation of Enron.
all excuses to lay blame when in reality all investers were conned by a kid and don't want to recognize their own failure in seeing that.
Embarrassed, or just trying to distance themselves from the money laundering operation?
https://nypost.com/2022/11/14/how-world-economic-forum-others-are-hiding-past-ties-with-ftx/
Web archive sites show that the World Economic Forum — whose glitzy shindig in Davos, Switzerland, is a must-attend for billionaires and world leaders each year — had previously listed FTX as one of its “partners,” touting the Bahamas-based firm as a “cryptocurrency exchange built by traders, for traders.”
Someone needs to pull up their white papers and see what they have to say about the use of cryptocurrency; I guarantee none of it is good, and if they were partnering with FTX, it's because they saw the potential for its use as a tool for their social engineering scheme of the day.
Poor guy ruined his chance to be part of the aristocracy.
And the rabbit hole goes deeper...
https://cointelegraph.com/news/sbf-received-1-billion-in-personal-loans-from-alameda-ftx-bankrupty-filing
According to the filing, Alameda Research had loaned $1 billion directly to Bankman-Fried, while FTX director of engineering Nishad Singh had also received a $543 million loan from the company.
"Mayor Adams wants to take city land, do maybe $300m of work to improve it, give it to a soccer team owned by oil billionaires who wouldn't pay taxes, and collect $30m in rent in exchange. There's no math by which this anything but blows for city taxpayers."
In St. Louis, we just built a $450 million soccer stadium complex that was almost entirely privately funded. Opened last night. Privately owned, privately funded, by local business owners, and members of the public who chose to pre-purchase season tickets.
If you're going to squander taxpayer dollars on a stadium, at least have the decency to choose a sport people actually want to watch.
Mud wrestling.
This guy gets it. Also acceptable: foxy boxing
the whole dressed-for-bed football thing is okay too
Reason Rundown
Chemjeff, bot farms hardest hit.
David Brock leaves Media Matters for undisclosed reasons.
I'm guessing pedophilia, it's always pedo shit with these people.
He's had a heart attack in the past, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's for health-related reasons.
Beneficiaries of money laundering.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/here-dems-benefited-left-wing-pac-ftx-funneled-27m-through
Overall, in 2021 and 2022, Bankman-Fried donated approximately $38 million to various candidates and PACs, mainly giving his cash to Democratic candidates and left-wing groups, according to Federal Election Commission filings (FEC). The majority of his political givings, though, went to the Protect Our Future PAC, a group founded in January that is dedicated to boosting candidates committed to preventing future pandemics.
Other recipients of the PAC's donations included Rep. Jesus Garcia, D-Ill., and Reps.-elect Morgan McGarvey of Kentucky, Maxwell Frost of Florida, Sydney Kamlager of California, Jonathan Jackson of Illinois, Nikki Budzinski of Illinois, Jared Moskowitz of Florida, Rob Menendez Jr. of New Jersey. The candidates received between $200,000 and $972,000 from the PAC.
"...a group founded in January that is dedicated to boosting candidates committed to preventing future pandemics."
Forget the illness; prevent chicken littles like JFree and Newsom.
https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/17/new-ftx-boss-condemns-management-of-the-crypto-exchange-during-sam-bankman-frieds-tenure/
Also contains an organizational chart of FTX.
FTX “did not keep appropriate books and records or security controls” for its digital assets, used unsecured shared email accounts to access private keys, and to this day cannot provide a list of those working for the company as at Nov. 11, he said.
They want it to look that way.
https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1593177640550424579?t=-a7hMk3kTk_PALxoxg0ADg&s=19
So the G20 / WHO are pushing for a globally standardised digital vaccine passport / certification. No one voted for this. This illiberal and discriminatory mandate is an affront to democracy and civil liberties.
No one voted for tattoos on forearms, but it was a thing.
Don’t blame me, I voted for the blue stars.
https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-technology-sports-celebrity-business-24690dec0c1541a911f4d201e568ebee
A host of Hollywood and sports celebrities including Larry David and Tom Brady were named as defendants in a class-action lawsuit against cryptocurrency exchange FTX, arguing that their celebrity status made them culpable for promoting the firm’s failed business model.
LOL The walls are closing in
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1593124015367151618?t=kPI8qRyOHeYAUCrJ1pASEg&s=19
The application for transgender San Francisco residents to receive guaranteed income, has NINETY SEVEN gender options. Beyond parody
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Everyone knows there is 98.
I claim discrimination!
Nobody needs 98 choices. #commonsensegendercontrol
Frog/frogself is NOT on the pronoun list?! What is this, Texas?
On the plus side, Superman's persistent problem of finding ways to send Mister Mxyzptlk back to the 5th dimension just got *lots* easier... assuming he still wants to come here in the first place.
Nice. Very obscure
>>Twelve Republican senators voted to advance the bill
100 senators drooling at how to tax and regulate being gay ... maybe 95
"...The FDA decision means that cultivated meat products may soon be available to the public to try,..."
Or not, as the case may be. I like a charred piece of cow; after trying the Impossible burger (and finding it, uh,...) why even give this a taste?
https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1593269586371166208?t=_dQj1e5I4cLWNgij3Khplw&s=19
Average 401(k) balances plunged 23% year-over-year due to market volatility, Fidelity has said.
All part of the Biden boom.
Nothing says prosperity like watching your 401k go down and inflation go up, at the same time.
spitballing, but if (R) wants a cemented run why don't T and Desatan team up for a 12-year plan?
Because they're both alpha's and only 1 of them can win anyway?
teamwork makes the dream work
https://twitter.com/PelosiTracker_/status/1593144488255713280?t=camTU6RnlNsu151W8lZUqw&s=19
You can't make this up if you tried.
On 11/30, the New York Times was planning to host a live event with Sam Bankman-Fried, Zelensky, Larry Fink (CEO of Blackrock), and U.S. Treasury Janet Yellen as the main speakers.
Cost to attend? - $2,400
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I saw $2,499 listed as the price to attend.
The NYT has a love affair with SBF.
https://beincrypto.com/new-york-times-breathless-love-letter-sbf-lambasted-crypto-community/
Others were more poetic in their criticism, calling the NYT piece a “breathless love letter.” The flak continues to pour in from the crypto community, and this doesn’t look like it will fade soon.
Cripes.
This is the globalist aristocracy, folks. The people buying tickets are the people who think that they should be in charge.
>>Should COVID-19 lockdowns initiated under former President Donald Trump's watch disqualify him from being elected again?
yes but literally only if we get to lamppost Fauci. peacefully, just to throw tomatoes at him while he hangs upside down by his feet for a couple hours. then they can both walk into the sunset. terms.
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>>Sam Bankman-Fried
why aren't you treating this joker like a criminal?
He gave money to the best people.
Edit: Sorry, didn’t realize it was a rhetorical question.
despite my attempts to be a buddhist about this place sometimes expectations arise
Sam Bankman-Fried, the ousted founder of collapsed crypto company FTX, has been a leading voice calling for crypto regulation.
Sam obviously has read Fatass Donnie's The Art of the Fleece.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"Democrats being evil and crooked? I'm going to blame it on Trump!"
Ka-ching, fifty cents.
Damn, you have TDS bad. You think a man that laundered money for Democrats is following in Trump's footsteps? You really are retarded and deranged.
if only the MSM and democrats who spent years crying about Trump University / Trump Steaks could find the time to focus a little on today's fucking Bernie Madoff and the largest financial scheme in years...
I guess crimes only matter when they can pin it on a political opponent (or they arent directly participating in it)
You know, as much as I am a happily married heterosexual, I cannot, for the life of me, understand why so many people seem to think that the government needs to have a say between pacts made by consenting adults regarding their own private lives, whether it be gay marriage, or hell, even polygamy.
The fact that the government arbitrarily invades people's lives by insisting that their private lives. and who they should "love," follow a particular social "model" seems ludicrous on the face of it.
Popcorn time.
As I’ve said repeatedly when Reason covers this issue, why isn’t Reason making this argument?
I have wondered about that, as well.
True. Marriage should be left to religions. I know mine was from Hell.
Mine was from Reno, just across the street from Hell, but it is working marvelously well.
Congrats!
Allowing gay marriage opened the door to gay people enjoying all the wonders of unhappy marriage, divorce, and snotty kids. 🙂
This is certainly the argument I have been making for several decades.
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As a libertarian, I shared that view, but then I thought about it and there are so many legal matters that are inextricably tied in with marriage that we cannot avoid the necessity of a legal framework for marriage: visitation rights, custody, inheritance of property, taxation, not being compelled to testify against one's spouse, ... The list goes on and on.
Take plural marriage, for example. Of course, people should be free to enter into plural marriage! But, legally, ugh, it could be a nightmare. And, no, having private contracts won't make all the messiness of such an arrangement a non-issue.
“visitation rights, custody,”
This argument always cracks me up. Because only married people have children and have to address these issues.
"Take plural marriage, for example. Of course, people should be free to enter into plural marriage! But, legally, ugh, it could be a nightmare. And, no, having private contracts won’t make all the messiness of such an arrangement a non-issue."
This is true. That's what the court system is for -- to clean up the messes. It certainly couldn't be more complicated than, for instance, the bankruptcy, reorganization, or whatever they called it, of GM a few years ago. Laws protecting individuals are messy. Justice, itself is messy. Nothing new.
So, I've been making the "The government should get out of marriage argument" probably as long as you and perlmonger have. At one point, I was called a bigot for pointing out that legally consensual polygamy should be fair game. I got the "It would be too complicated." argument presented above, which was ironic at the time because that was the exact argument being made against gay marriage.
Since that time SCOTUS has seen fit to enshrine both homosexuality *and* gender identity as protected... facets of a person. Which, together, takes an individual right and complexly obliterates it. An individual can no longer affirm or deny if they're homosexual, heterosexual, or not themselves. They would need their past and present partner's gender identities concurrently and retroactively to answer the question "What is a woman?", er, I mean "Are you heterosexual or homosexual?" honestly and accurately.
It's once again the longstanding celebration parallax: Your lack of rules and ad hoc rubrics are too nebulous, burdensome, and oppressive. Boo! But our byzantine rules and ad hoc rubrics, while nebulous and burdensome, will bring freedom, but only to the people who don't oppose us. Yay!
because it's about dissolution of assets and Uncle Scam may not get his cut if the Sodomites obscure the marriage pool because they both could claim to be housewives. Imagine what Polygamy will do
• Should COVID-19 lockdowns initiated under former President Donald Trump's watch disqualify him from being elected again?
Yes, along with every one in Congress who voted for the Cares Act.
that doesn’t mean the Orion spacecraft is traveling empty. In addition to a Snoopy plushie, a few Lego astronaut figurines, and a couple of manikins,
In an odd coincidence, that phrase could also be used to describe Biden Admin cabinet meetings….
"Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah), one of the dozen Republicans to support the bill in Wednesday's vote, said in a statement that it "provides important protections for religious liberty."
A Mormon supporting a backdoor to polygamous marriage? Well I never.
in fairness, if I was a mega millionaire and had tons of time, money, and mansions, I would probably look for a reason that I had to have 10 different hot blondes if my religion was down
A so-called "libertarian" website is celebrating a legislative proposal to expand and entrench the state and suppress criticism of certain activities.
What a joke.
Love who you want, this is America and everybody is free to marry who they choose! Except those dirty polygamists!
Laugh now but wait until assets are fought over by 3 people instead of two
WTH talking about? Every bitterly feuded last will and testament since practically forever has been a legal knock-down drag-out fight by children, spouses, ex-spouses, adultery partners, illegitimate children, business partners, estranged relatives, etc., etc., etc.
Various powers of attorney were explicitly crafted to effectively convert two-party negotiations into n-party negotiations.
Utah, Montana, Nebraska, Idaho and 35 other states goes with completely reasonable standards like priority of stable cohabitation, de facto severance, and proportional life share and California, New York, New Jersey, Taxachusettes, Illinois, and a couple others do something completely retarded like setting up an intersectional scoring hierarchy or social credit score.
All this.
So, while I have to say that Stranger Things has really done some amazing work on getting the feel of things just right, from the costuming, the music, the decor, everything, I feel this latest effort of recreating that "1980's atmosphere of impending nuclear holocaust" as an advertising campaign is in excessively poor taste.
I lived through the '80s. I do not remember people day to day being overly consumed with worry about imminent nuclear annihilation. The media and certain elites were losing their shit about then, though
Knowing that nuclear armageddon could happen at any time was just part of reality from the 1950s through the fall of the Berlin Wall in the 1980s. I remember being in high school and thinking, "At least if they drop the bomb tomorrow, I don't have to take my finals."
It was such a tremendous relief, psychologically, when the Soviet Union fell apart. And that continuous background anxiety is all back now. It sucks.
You have to remember, in 1980 the conventional wisdom of the establishment was that the Soviet Union was here to stay, and that the US needed to pursue detente with them instead of as beligerents. That's why there was so much allusion to nuclear holocaust in pop culture and hand-wringing about it by the media, because they thought Ronny Raygun was going to get us all killed.
None of them knew at the time that Reagan, Bush, Pope John Paul II, and the CIA were all working behind the scenes to undermine the Warsaw Pact, especially in Poland via Solidarity, so it was a massive shock when everything fell apart at the end of 1989. Gorby was helpless to stop it because a military intervention would have led to massive worldwide sanctions, but the passive approach just gave the countries license get their Soviet stooge leaders out of office, either through elections or a bullet to the head.
Honeslty, it's kind of funny listening to songs from 1987 and 1988, a bunch of which are loaded with apocalyptic lyrics, knowing what happened 1-2 years later.
Definitely. The apocalyptic pessism of Western elites seems to have transfered to climate change as such after threat of global nuclear war and the alleged inevitable supremacy of Communism proved to be a mirage.
Yeah, I lived through the 80's too. I was mostly trying to be funny. *shrug*
I was on the Jersey side of the Philly suburbs. we were worried. that "Day After" was a big deal
Middle of nowhere in the Midwest outside the blast radius of even minor cities. When we did the 'duck and cover' drills everybody would joke that we had to duck and cover because the Russkies missed.
I lived in Santa Cruz which was only too proud to declare itself a "Nuclear Free Zone"
For some cities it was a way of life
“Should COVID-19 lockdowns initiated under former President Donald Trump's watch disqualify him from being elected again?”
A) it’s kinda fucked up tonlink to pay walled sites. How am I supposed to not read the article if I can’t see it.
B) which lockdowns did he initiate? Was it just federal property?
Should COVID-19 lockdowns initiated under former President Donald Trump’s watch disqualify him from being elected again?
I am fascinated by the way this is worded.
Lockdowns initiated at the same time that Trump was president.
This means that Trump is responsible for Newsom's lockdown? For Cuomo's? Whitmer's?
Sure.
“Cut the 90s nostalgia.”
Yeah says YOU, Little Miss Can’t-Be-Wrong!
That’s not a huge surprise if you pay attention to the polling—seven in 10 Americans believe same-sex marriage should be legal, according to Gallup—but it still represents a significant moment in the political fight to advance liberty.
Only if in your mind, “advance liberty” is 100% interchangeable with “buttfuck and file taxes jointly”. Otherwise, it pretty objectively doesn’t advance personal liberty at all. Or at least any not any more than “legalizing” drilling into your own skull or giving people tax breaks for winning a 'messiest eating of a tuna fish sandwich' contest are significant advancements of liberty.
buttfuck and file taxes jointly
Not going to search for it, but I guarantee this is now a "thing". You have invoked rule 34.
You enjoy that, gays.
And where in the Constitution is the Feds authority to define marriage?
Ya; that's what I thought.
F'En Nazi's.
Where is it in state constitutions to override people's rights?
Fuck off bigot.
Rights are inherent NOT *entitlements* leftard Nazi.
If you want to claim 'married' inherently then leave the Gov-GUNS alone.