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Elon Musk

Elon Musk Owns Twitter, So the Rules Are Going To Be Whatever He Wants

If the bird site's new owner wants to protect free speech, he should focus on resisting government requests to remove content.

Robby Soave | 11.7.2022 5:30 PM

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On Monday, Twitter suspended comedian Kathy Griffin from the site after she changed her name to "Elon Musk" in an effort to impersonate and make fun of the bird site's new owner.

This has produced not-entirely-undeserved charges of hypocrisy on Musk's part, given that one of his very first actions after acquiring the site two weeks ago was to confidently proclaim "comedy is now legal on Twitter." It would appear that comedy is only permissible if it is clearly labelled as such.

Going forward, any Twitter handles engaging in impersonation without clearly specifying "parody" will be permanently suspended

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 6, 2022

Of course, this policy isn't actually new: Even before Musk, parody accounts were ineligible for verification. Twitter's current policies state that users "may not impersonate individuals, groups, or organizations to mislead, confuse, or deceive others, nor use a fake identity in a manner that disrupts the experience of others on Twitter." But the policy is clearly inconsistent with an ethos of free speech absolutism, which Musk has stated is his guiding principle.

This gets at a larger problem, which is that "free speech absolutism" does not work as a content moderation strategy. There are many examples of speech that would be legal under a First Amendment framework—the government may not take action against them—but are nevertheless unwelcome on social media. Musk himself has declared war on spam and bots, and for good reason: This kind of content degrades the user experience, confuses advertisers, and distorts the true financial value of the company.

Eliminating pathologically obnoxious content is a smart idea, but it isn't in-keeping with a principle of abiding by the Constitution's own prohibitions on censorship. Musk has said that he is "against censorship that goes far beyond the law"; the law permits him to engage in as much or as little censorship as he wishes, since he is the owner of a private company and not an employee of the federal government. But if he is defining "free speech" as whatever the First Amendment allows, then taking action against Kathy Griffin certainly violates it.

Musk has further complicated matters by vowing that Twitter must become "the most accurate source of information about our world." Former Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey asked a perceptive follow-up question: "Accurate to who?" After all, social media moderators who nuked the Hunter Biden laptop story or prevent discussion of the COVID-19 lab leak theory likely thought they were working in the best interests of accuracy—it just so happened that they were misguided. Efforts to purge misinformation from Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube go awry, not because the moderators are nefarious, but because they are prone to the very same biases as everyone else.

Twitter does have a feature that offers a potential, intriguing solution to the misinformation problem: a program formerly known as Birdwatch, which is being renamed Community Notes. Birdwatch is user-curated fact-checking, which makes it more like Wikipedia, and thus vastly superior to the kind of fact-checking employed on other social media sites. Facebook, for instance, has outsourced fact-checking to a small number of activist organizations that often make basic mistakes.

But even so, it's clear accuracy, authenticity, and free speech are all guiding principles that will occasionally interfere with one another. Perhaps Musk should just admit the rules are going to be whatever he decides they should be, likely with the goal of maximizing revenue, vis-à-vis advertisers or by charging $8 for verification. Users are going to have to live with that.

There is a kind of content moderation that more obviously violates free speech principles, and even comes closer to running afoul of the First Amendment—that would be "jawboning"; government bureaucrats routinely contact social media companies and push them to remove content. The extent of these efforts are becoming better known to the public each day—it is clear that White House officials made specific overtures to content moderators on various COVID-19 subjects.

If Musk wants to position Twitter as a free speech utopia, he should resist and expose such government threats.

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  1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    *checks political affiliation - not democrat*

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    1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      What about skin color?

      1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

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    3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      There is a functioning edit button now

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

        Last I checked, it dropped HTML tags. You have to re-enter them.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Add a period between paragraphs.

    4. perlmonger   3 years ago

      "Elon Musk Owns Twitter, So the Rules Are Going To Be Whatever He Wants"

      "-- And it's going to be hilarious"

    5. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

      It won't be long before the Reason fugazis all follow Paul Krugman and the rest of their fellow media far lefties to Mastodon or whatever it's called.

    6. maleemi   3 years ago

      IMO a better approach is to provide users with better tools to allow the individual to be the content moderator of their own account. Unfollow, Block, and Mute are useful but a rules based gui with granularity for each account seems worth pursuing. I have no idea how exactly this would work but Elon knows lots of very smart people and can afford to pay them.

  2. Super Scary   3 years ago

    "confidently proclaim "comedy is now legal on Twitter." It would appear that comedy is only permissible if it is clearly labelled as such."

    It probably helps if it is actually funny and not done with spite and vitriol.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      That just leaves Iowahawk.

    2. The Margrave of Azilia   3 years ago

      Isn't that woman the same one who pictured herself holding Trump's severed head?

      Yes, she is! Here's CBS playing the martyr angle on her behalf:

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kathy-griffin-on-death-threats-cancellations-investigations-over-trump-severed-head-photo/

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
        ― Denis Diderot

        Great moments in libertarian history.

        1. The Margrave of Azilia   3 years ago

          The French Revolution ushered in a libertarian paradise.

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            Libertine is Libertarian? Then when are the sex parties?
            "What time will I'll not bring up the name of the gash that does the daily roundup be there?"

          2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            Alas, Denis Diderot forgot to add: "and both King and Priest are replaced with nobody."
            🙂

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Or hicklib pederasts get the Full Joseph Rosenbaum.

        3. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          Wake me when you eager to the part where YOU FUCK CHILDREN.

        4. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Sadly, "men" seem to need irrational beliefs--and once you've displaced the Almighty God, they're not especially partial to the source.

          Filed under: Be Careful What You Wish For

          1. damikesc   3 years ago

            Basically. Every person needs a religion. You can choose ones based on God or ones based on "science" (such as climate change). Just be honest with yourself that ALL are faith-based.

            1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

              Or..."reason".

              1. Bluwater   3 years ago

                "Reason"? In what world do you consider that to be an absolute or an objective course? Your reasoning follows a predictable course that is set up by your core beliefs [aka your religion]

                1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                  Uh, Reason is an absolute in the only world that there is i.e. the Natural Universe. Try figuring out the Natural Universe without it.

          2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            Speak for yourself. As for me, Atheism is part of a rational worldview that makes me double-down against man-made bullshit and injustice.

    3. DarrenM   3 years ago

      Humor is subjective. The main thing is that Griffon actually changed her user name. This was totally unnecessary and suggests something more than merely trying to make a joke.

    4. Tionico   3 years ago

      so label EVERYTHIN as comedy. No more problem. If it wasn't no one's laughing. If it was, no one's laughing anyway. Carry on.

  3. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

    What part of "impersonation" is so hard to grasp? What kind of free speech absolutism includes fraud?

    1. Rossami   3 years ago

      Please explain what clear line you see between parody and fraud.

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

        Please explain how parody justifies fraud.

        1. Rossami   3 years ago

          I started to answer this but realized that the recent SCOTUS briefs from the Onion and the Babylon Bee do the job far better than I ever could. Please read those.

          Then tell me how you can allow and enable First Amendment-protected parody and how you distinguish that from what you want to call "fraud".

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

            Twitter's rules, which everyone was so happy to spout before, clearly say that impersonation is not allowed.

            Why is that no longer important?

            Tell KG to learn to code and create her own damned Twitter competitor. Why is that no longer the preferred option?

            And if you're going to bring up those police, recall that he did not duplicate the PD's name. KG did.

            Would it be parody to paint a fake Titian with duplicate signature, sell it for millions, and claim parody?

            How about I make a parody of your signature on a copy of your check?

          2. damikesc   3 years ago

            I'd argue if you are "verified", if you are not verified specifically as parody, you should, bare minimum, permanently lose verification on Twitter. And given that the whole non-impersonation rule has been in place, I would not support a permanent ban.

            ...however, those who have been recently banned DID support permanent bans, so I'm not opposed to allowing people to live under the rules they support.

        2. Joe Jonas   3 years ago

          Sounds like you need someone to explain both parody and fraud to you.

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

            You posted that half an hour after I posted examples of fraud which are just as much parody as KG's impersonation of Elon Musk. You've had plenty of time to cogitate on my answer. Your lack of response shows your comment is just virtue signalling twaddle.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

        Blue checks are intended as verification. Having a blue check next to a name impersonating another is fraud as checks are given to designate apparent verification of said user. Likewise this policy has taken down even accounts clearly labeled as parody prior.

        https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/05/07/popular-aoc-twitter-parody-account-suspended-conservatives-claim-its-political-bias-752639/

        1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          Musk should change it to a red check.

      3. Nardz   3 years ago

        There are no rules, only weapons.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          Cancer is pretty good weapon of Mother Nature, right?

          Vladimir Putin’s Hands Are Turning ‘Black’ Following Reports The Russian Leader Is Suffering From Parkinson’s Disease & Cancer ?
          https://radaronline.com/p/vladimir-putin-hands-black-reports-suffering-parkinsons-disease-cancer/

          And weapons can be turned against those who want to use women as little warrior factories and use children as cannon fodder, right?

          Russian priest who advised women to bear more children and send them to war dies in Ukraine ?
          SUNDAY, 6 NOVEMBER 2022, 23:10
          https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/6/7375238/

          And there's not a Goddamn God or Historical Necessity or New Eurasian Empire that can save them now!

          Fuck Off, Putin, Putineers, and Dugin Hooligans! Fuck Off Patriarch Kirill and Fellow Shepherders to the slaughter! 🙂

    2. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      Robby is picking a bizarre hill to die on.

      If Musk does not allow absolutely anything, Soave is suggesting he is a hypocrite for objecting to Twitter's old regime. That is Tony level logic. Do better, Robby.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        ???

        If Robby had wanted to say “Elon is a hypocrite for objecting to Twitter’s old regime” he would have said that, or something that could be interpreted as that. But he didn’t. He didn’t even come close to saying that.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Just sad.

          1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

            Isn’t it?

      2. Nardz   3 years ago

        Soave is a cock sucking leftist totalitarian who's merely doing what he's told in pursuit of taking away your rights and livelihood.

        1. Ersatz   3 years ago

          thats a little harsh - dont you think?

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            And it's not appropriately labelled!

    3. Yes Way, Ted   3 years ago

      Said the same thing below before reading comments. You are spot on.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        No way!

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          This is getting inception-ey

    4. Agammamon   3 years ago

      Fraud requires an intent to reap some pecuniary gain from your fraud. Twitter likes don't count.

      And lying is a, rightly, 1st amendment protected activity.

      1. Dariush   3 years ago

        As far as I’m concerned these stupid leftist fucks can choke on the rules they gleefully imposed on their ideological enemies. The rules will only change when everybody is subject to them. It’s amazing how one day it’s “If you don’t like it then make your own Twitter”, to the very next day “Say, these rules are not very libertarian.”

  4. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Oh, bullshit, Robby, and you know it. Impersonating someone has been against the rules since day one, and it's right there in the TOS. Need I spell it out for you?

    https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-impersonation-and-deceptive-identities-policy

    You may not impersonate individuals, groups, or organizations to mislead, confuse, or deceive others, nor use a fake identity in a manner that disrupts the experience of others on Twitter.

    We prohibit the following behaviors under this policy:

    Impersonation

    You can’t pose as an existing person, group, or organization in a confusing or deceptive manner.

    And that now includes Blue Checks like yourself, there, Robby.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
      ― Denis Diderot

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Or hicklib pederasts get the Full Joseph Rosenbaum.

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        "Who could possibly oppose the great things I want for the German people?"

      3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        We all know how great the French Revolution he inspired turned out.

      4. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Last I looked, Turd, child porn was against Twitter rules too.

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          And they might start actually taking it down now that the leftists/techies are no longer in charge

      5. DarrenM   3 years ago

        Kings and priests will simply be replaced by other kings and priests. There will never be a "last" of either.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Yeah I don't see how free speech allows you to defraud people by stealing someone's identity.

    3. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

      Except now, it will be enforced more equally. Including against Marxist D list celebrity cunts.

    4. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Which is fine.

      But, as I pointed out to you in another thread, that policy does not include the new requirement Lonnie has now imposed: that parody accounts are "clearly labelled as such".

      This has allowed him to ban users who had engaged in parody which was obviously not likely to mislead anyone--but apparently did annoy one particular person...

      1. Dariush   3 years ago

        It’s his goddamn company. Don’t like it? bUiLd YoUr OwN tWiTtEr! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      2. Dace Highlander   3 years ago

        The Babylon Bee has entered the conversation.

  5. Lord Blastington   3 years ago

    Pretty good article. Like 2 things can be true at once.

    Musk can make and enforce whatever Moderation Policy he wants.

    And

    Musk blatantly did go back on his promise to make Twitter more Pro Free Speech.

    Like I would have more respect for the guy if he was clear on his moderation policy from the beginning and made no false promises.

    There is another example that came to mind. Andrew Torba did promote Gab as the Free Speech Absolute Alternative to Twitter, and that's the reason why they allow Nazis and Pedophile on Gab. However Gab has a general ban on Porn, and I'm not talking about stuff like Child Porn or Snuff Porn, but Porn in General. Like if a platform is supposed to be a Free Speech Absolute Platform, then one would expect to allow almost anything on there, especially if there is no law against it.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      If a social media platform wants to be mainstream, it won't allow porn. That's how a bunch of freaks ended up exiting their containment zone at Tumblr into the larger internet sphere.

      1. Lord Blastington   3 years ago

        If Torba wanted to make Gab mainstream than that's all fine and dandy. Just don't lie and make false promises on what Gab actually is.

        Also as I pointed out, Gab do have accounts on there that are openly Pro-Nazi and Pro-Pedophilia. So if the goal is to make Gab more mainstream, then it's definitely a bad idea to allow both Nazis and Pedos on the platform

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          They allow plenty of pedophiles on Twitter. They're called Hollywood executives.

        2. Dace Highlander   3 years ago

          Maybe, and I'm just saying this since you want Torba to be an absolute Absolutist, Torba was lying when he said Gab would be an absolutist free speech platform, and since lying is absolutist free speech it's ok.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      "then one would expect to allow almost anything on there, especially if there is no law against it."

      Porn's a good way to chase away full time usage unless you build a pretty strong wall between it and everything else. OnlyFans learned this lesson.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        Reddit seems to do OK.

    3. DrEJ   3 years ago

      Musk's only change to "Moderation Policy" is to adhere to the company's stated terms of service, and not be uni-directional, overtly bias or likewise in the enforcement of these user agreements. He's owned Twitter for like 1 week and people already want to leap to the most wild accusations. You might have gained my attention, but I can't say the same about my trust.

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        He's also just made a change to those policies, and banned several (?) accounts as a result. Why can't you accept that?

        1. damikesc   3 years ago

          What change did he make? The impersonation rule long outdated him.

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            Musk tweeted: “Going forward, any Twitter handles engaging in impersonation without clearly specifying “parody” will be permanently suspended.”

            (The new part, not present in the existing policy, is, "without clearly specifying "parody".")

            That kinda takes the fun out of parody, if you ask me.

            1. DarrenM   3 years ago

              Has that made it into the TOS, yet, or do we go back to ignoring the TOS and rely solely on what Musk tweets?

              1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                Who cares? Musk owns it now, and he can ban whatever he wants--as has apparently happened to several "parody accounts".

                1. Dace Highlander   3 years ago

                  But what fun is it to bitch about what has(n't) actually changed when we could just assert it and claim victory?

        2. MJBinAL   3 years ago

          He did not change any of those policies. IN FACT, he specifically said he was not going to do so until after the election and after a new moderation board met.

          What he HAS done is insist that the existing policies be enforced evenly.

          Why can't you just admit you only like rules when they don't apply to you?

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            Musk tweeted: “Going forward, any Twitter handles engaging in impersonation without clearly specifying “parody” will be permanently suspended.”

            Several accounts were then banned--before the election.

            1. Dace Highlander   3 years ago

              Again, since the impersonation rule was already in place, enforcement of the rule on both sides made some upset. The tweet "...going forward..." may have been a rhetorical phrase for emphasis. Just sayin'.

  6. The Margrave of Azilia   3 years ago (edited)

    OK, here’s Musk’s linked tweet on free speech:

    “By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law.

    “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law.

    “If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect.

    “Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people.”

    So as far as I can parse it, he is saying free speech equals what’s legal, and also that censorship is wrong if it goes “far beyond” the law, which would allow for going a bit beyond the law.

    I presume that it’s the second bit he’s going to go with. He won’t go *far* beyond the law.

    OK, that’s still an improvement over censoring just about anything that affronts wokeism or Democratic Party interests.

    I would speculate that he’s going to face behind-the-scenes pressure to the effect of “we’ve discovered sinister Chinese/Russian/Islamist propagandists pushing misinformation about [Biden’s mental state/the badness of his military policy/Hunter’s latest shenanigans/etc/], so we ask you to block such misinformation.”

    As for impersonation, I think at least some states have laws against using someone's name/image for commercial purposes without their consent.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      As for impersonation, I think at least some states have laws against using someone’s name/image for commercial purposes without their consent.

      Especially since the Blue Check is now a subscription service.

      1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

        Red, I wonder if this is the point where we respond to Soave: Build your own Twitter. 🙂

        1. MJBinAL   3 years ago

          That would require that Robby actually work. I can't see THAT happening.

  7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    OT, from earlier today:

    'António Guterres, the U.N. secretary general, gave a stark warning in his opening remarks at yesterday’s COP27 session. “We are in the fight of our lives, and we are losing,” he said. “We are on a highway to climate hell with our foot on the accelerator.”'

    I guess we will not have to struggle long without democracy.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Were the Obama's warned about this? Surely John Kerry told them.,..

      Because they have a multimillion dollar McMansion at Sea Level in shitlib vineyard with a gas tank big enough to run a couple restaurants.

      Surely they will move to higher ground, put all of their money into clean energy, and decrease their massive carbon footprint which is probably millions of times larger than most humans (being that they fly private everywhere)

      1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Martha's Vineyard almost tipped over with the massive Venezuelan invasion.

        1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          ‘Martha’s Vineyard Venezuelan Invasion’ is a good name for a band. Or a cocktail.

        2. R Mac   3 years ago

          Hank Johnson approves this message.

          1. Dillinger   3 years ago

            CAP-siiiize

    2. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Blatant, retarded, unscientific lies. But hey. He's just the Secretary-General of the UN.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        No worries. I hear the UN is not a fan of democracy.

        1. mpercy   3 years ago

          The UN, where China and Cuba can sit on the Human Rights Council without any sense of shame or irony.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Griffin apparently said, in the guise of Musk, that he was voting Democrat. There are claims this amounts to election misinformation.

    1. The Margrave of Azilia   3 years ago

      No fair, Dems don't do election misinformation, they call it out.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Politico is already warning of election fraud.

        https://www.dailywire.com/news/uh-oh-looks-like-politico-is-dabbling-in-election-denying-warning-voting-machines-could-be-hacked

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          Classic ultra maga R's at politico

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

          Well these are obviously not the machines used in 2020. That was the bestest election ever! This actually came up on the podcast today. Seems election deniers have taken over election offices and passed Jim Eagle laws to ensure Trump wins in 2024. I'm guessing this is a trial run.

        3. perlmonger   3 years ago

          Did I hear someone say "Insurrection"?

          1. Yes Way, Ted   3 years ago

            I heard “is your erection” like an unfinished question.

            1. perlmonger   3 years ago

              I'd best clean my ears then.

  9. JimboJr   3 years ago

    I like how the shrieking is over Elon enforcing OLD twitter TOS rules.

    The left freaking out, not because Musk is actually unfairly targeting them with arbitrary rules, but because rules that have been in place forever are for the first time being applied to them. They are used to operating with full support of big tech for their propaganda

    1. fabmonster   3 years ago

      Yep. Lotta shrieking going on. I have once been impersonated in the old fashioned social media of group emails and it is a type of defamation, which is not protected by free speech.

      I saw some of those so-called parody Tweets by accounts purporting to be Elon Musk. It is only because I follow him already that I recognized that it was not really him, even though they were named Elon Musk and had his picture.

      These were not parodies, they were intentional efforts to deceive, hoping for reTweets.

      Those accounts were perfectly free to represent the same ideas, even under pseudonyms like my own here on Reason, but honestly. They chose deceit instead. Tells me everything.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        In Griffin’s case, how can one tell that it’s not a genuine effort at parody that just wasn’t very funny?

        1. mpercy   3 years ago

          Because she changed her account name in violation of the T&Cs, especially as they regard verified accounts (blue check). Her account wasn't suspended for the *content* of her posts, as far as I understand, but for that specific violation of the *old* (long-standing) terms and conditions.

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            My question was (a) wasn't a question about how the Twitter rules apply, but about how fabmonster knows "[Kathy Griffin's tweets] were not parodies"; (b) a mean joke about Kathy Griffin's not being funny.

      2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        Why could I see the users' actual Twitter handles right in their tweets, but you cannot?

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          (I should probably call them their Twitter addresses--the "@whatever" bit which appears in every single Twit's Tweets. The Twitter "handle" I think is the easily changed name bit.)

        2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          It would only fool someone who is in a rush to find offense at the tweets and respond angrily. Which is, for example, Three Year Letterman's whole schtick on Twitter; namely, being a detector of people who are quick to offense and have no sense of humor.

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            I wouldn't know; I have only an academic interest in Twitter.

  10. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

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  11. IreneMonroe   3 years ago (edited)

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      I hope you are not involved in any sort of election fraud.

  12. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

    Griffin came back impersonating her dead mother.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      "Terminally online" phrase comes to mind.

      She is so desperate to be relevant she resorts to this kind of stuff so lib outlets will praise her, and acts like she does stuff to be edgy and get banned, but then cant even help herself and has to not only get back online but let everyone know she's still there.

      Addicted to Twitter, and the cancer that is social media. Grasping for relevance and likes

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        Is Griffin eve D list anymore?

      2. fabmonster   3 years ago

        Bear in mind that these comments sections are social media, too.

        Not everyone is addicted. Like many physical substances that lead to addiction, social media is useful for many people. Think coffee.

        Regardless, it is here to stay, and will evolve. We will learn to incorporate it into the extended consciousness embodied in the Internet.

  13. Yes Way, Ted   3 years ago (edited)

    “But the policy is clearly inconsistence with an ethos of free speech absolutism, which Musk has stated is his guiding principle.”

    First, hire a fucking editor. It is “inconsistent.” Second, this is not a free-speech issue; it is a fraud issue. Attempting to deceive someone else by pretending to be someone else is clearly fraud. Clearly.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      their tantrum has lead them here.

      This idea that free speech is being infringed because you cant fraudulently pretend to be someone else is as dumb as AOC's hot take that having to pay 8$ to use a premium service at a private company that also offers a completely free option is an infringement on free speech.

      They are whinging babies, who are used to being catered to in every way possible, and their paci just got taken away.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        In all fairness to AOC, she is breathtakingly stupid.

        1. MJBinAL   3 years ago (edited)

          Are you suggesting that AOC might not have completed college on the strength of her intellect and academic performance?

          I don't think it was on the basis of her ugly-ass face either ... so I wonder what it could be?

          1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

            I’m sure she has a set of skills, acquired over many years of hook ups. Skills that make her very persuasive to horny old professors that might bump a grade up with the right ‘incentive’.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Pretending to be someone else is clearly fraud, except when it’s parody. Elon also tweeted recently that he was going to make Twitter safe for humor again.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago (edited)

        Then permanently banning Kathy Griffin was a very good first step. Trevor Noah should be next.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Ha!

          1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

            Not so much for his politics. He’s just criminally unfunny.

    3. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Unless it is clearly not fraud, as in parody.

      Besides, you'd have to be exceptionally dim to not notice the user's actual twitter address "@GriffLightning" on her tweets, in place of "@elonmusk"...

  14. Hiding In Plain Site   3 years ago

    Right now, there are hordes of Ultra Mega MAGA Republican white supremacist racists breaking into the homes of BIPOCs, LGBTQrstuvwzyz, non-binary, and trans people, and forcing them to log into and use Twitter! Our democracy is lost FOREVER!

  15. uncommon wealth   3 years ago

    So the self claimed "free speech absolutists" are drawing their line on impersonating? How's that different from libs banning hate speech?

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      hate speech is a made up concept that can be literally anything, based on what the left declares counts as 'hate' and also bleeds into the realm of mind-reading.

      My N**** said by one black person to another is assumed to be a casual greeting
      My N**** said by an Asian person to another could be seen as offensive by some, and they might also make the argument that its hate speech
      My N**** said from a white to a black person would probably be labeled by the CRT obsessed as racism, with ties to slavery, and as hate speech.

      The flaw is that its a politically motivated labeling process that assumes you can read someones heart/mind.

      Impersonation can have consequences for another person. Its fraudulent. Just like slander/libel isnt protected speech (well I guess it is in that you can say it, but that you also can get sued for it). This really is extremely basic.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        According to Tony, he knows for a fact that we want to put all black and brown people back in chains because we don’t support the democrat narrative. How could Tony, who claims a 165 IQ and thinks all the right thoughts, possibly be wrong?

        1. perlmonger   3 years ago

          There is a zero percent chance that Tony has an IQ of 165. Tony is far more in the "room temperature" range and it's only on really good days that he manages Fahrenheit versus Celsius scale.

        2. Tony   3 years ago

          I don't believe that. I believe you will end up supporting whatever the Republican party and its current Dear Leader tells you to support, because you are stupid.

          I don't really believe in evil. I believe in stupidity and its capacity for stumbling aimlessly into evil.

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            You don’t believe in something that you think people could stumble into.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              That’s how you know he’s got a 165 IQ.

          2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

            Tony, I have ten times your brain power. Which really isn’t much of a claim. You’re a stupid, weak minded thrall. You worship the democrat party and puke up whatever pablum they see fit to feed you, you don’t believe in evil, because you’re a sociopath, and are incapable of truly understanding morality and decency.

            The rest of us here are largely independent thinkers. You’re a drone in the Marxist democrat collective. The only thing that will satisfy that dark void inside you is a bottle of drain cleaner. So drink it, and make the world a better place for once.

        3. MJBinAL   3 years ago

          Tony has an IQ of 65? Surprised it's that high.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      No difference at all.

  16. DrEJ   3 years ago

    Reason is consistently getting this topic wrong. In each case, Twitter is enforcing existing policy, some would say the enforcement is for the first time flowing equally in all directions. And the Impersonation policy was highlighted in a tweet before this suspension happened as an attempt to dissuade the pattern of behavior from growing. Look at KG's blantant violations of TOS. At least inform yourself of opposing viewpoints before diving head first into such topics.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Apart from it being an enhanced version of an existing policy, of course.

      1. MJBinAL   3 years ago

        Or simply the same policy consistently applied.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Yeah, except that it's not. Musk tweeted: “Going forward, any Twitter handles engaging in impersonation without clearly specifying “parody” will be permanently suspended.”

          (The new part, which not present in the existing policy, is, “without clearly specifying “parody”.”)

          Any questions?

          1. Smack Daddy   3 years ago

            So still, he just applied an existing rule. Going forward, has nothing to do with the application.

            1. Smack Daddy   3 years ago

              He does give people an out of they wish to behave in such a manner, but the account termination still falls under the original rules no matter how you try to spin it.

              1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                I'm just reading and interpreting the terms, supplemented by the CEO's public statements and subsequent actions.

                You can still believe they say something else, but you'd be wrong.

      2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        You wokie trash think it’s unfair to be subject to the same rules the rest of us live with.

  17. JohnTheRevelator   3 years ago

    social media moderators who nuked the Hunter Biden laptop story or prevent discussion of the COVID-19 lab leak theory likely thought they were working in the best interests of accuracy—it just so happened that they were misguided.

    That's...ah ...yeah well that's... okay, sure Robby. Sure, that's what they thought.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Just misguided. Definitely not working with governments and the DNC.

      1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

        Just ignore the fact that Zuck admitted it......

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Talk about giving unearned benefit of the doubt to a group that has proven time and time again to believe in nothing but grabbing more power...ya, I bet their main concern was 'accuracy' and not 'misleading the electorate'

  18. Otis R. Needleman   3 years ago

    May the horse be with Kathy Griffin. She looks pretty horsey anyway. Elon Musk can do as he pleases, his company. NFG here, I don't use "social media".

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      But why is she using that picture of the Crypt Keeper for her profile snap?

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        Because she has "a groove that's nasty and mean, like the effects of a guillotine?"

        The Crypt Jam Performed by The Crypt Keeper
        https://youtu.be/JAj-Ci_dwCE

    2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      Now this fellow has these right idea! You win The Internet For The Day! 🙂

  19. Tony   3 years ago

    It's still possible for famous entrepreneurs to hide their various negative personality traits and stunning intelligence gaps, they just have to stay off social media.

    People are so weak. They know they're better off hanging onto a bit of mystique and not vomiting their opinions to the world, knowing full well that they're morons on most subjects.

    But they can't stop sucking their digital cigarettes. In Musk's case, buying the entire damn thing and being its chief bloviator and content moderator. It's doing social media how billionaires sail in boats: ludicrously bigly.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      … not vomiting their opinions to the world, knowing full well that they’re morons on most subjects.

      He said, totally without irony.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        Tony lacks even the slightest bit of self awareness.

    2. XM   3 years ago

      Baffling take from the left - "It's wrong for a single billionaire to own a tech company and make it for friendly to free speech, but it's ok for a group of diverse leftists to suspend accounts for saying things like "learn to code""

      1. mpercy   3 years ago

        Or "Let's go Brandon!"

    3. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

      Amd I’m your case, you ill informed, insipid and malignant comments here.

  20. TJJ2000   3 years ago

    "government bureaucrats' routinely contact social media companies and push them to remove content" --- with so much POWER they censored the sitting president.

    But hey; lets focus on making fraud legal with liberty claims. /s

  21. XM   3 years ago

    I don't recall Elon stating that "free speech absolutism" will be his guiding principle. Even he did, there was no chance that he wouldn't censor and slap violations for N words or explicit content.

    What Elon did was express disagreement with Twitter content moderation. He was no fan of Twitter snuffing out the Hunter Biden laptop. Elon doesn't have to be free speech absolutist, he just has to be reasonable and transparent. Reasonable like..... not taking down a video for simply discussing election denial, not promoting it. Or disallowing someone to impersonate a blue checked individual.

    Why did Reason go from "It's a private company dude" to "If Elon was really for free speech he wouldn't have any moderation"? He did seem to endorse republicans, in the face of elon hate fest from the demented left. I mean we can't have that.

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

      Why did Reason go from “It’s a private company dude” to “If Elon was really for free speech he wouldn’t have any moderation”?

      There’s nothing mutually exclusive about what Reason said.

      Edit: "It's a private company, they can do what they want" and "Elon shouldn't have moderation" don't contradict one another. They're saying he can do what he wants because it's a private company, but this is what they'd like him to do. Why are you guys flipping out?

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Just sad.

        This was an existing rule. Fraudulent misrepresentation has never been a free speech standard. Elon has already said there would be legal limits.

        Youre a fucking idiot.

      2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Because they like Musk and think it’s A-OK he owned a liberal like Kathy Griffin.

        It’s all team sports and no consistency of principles.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

          When Reason said it was ok for private companies to moderate content some interpret that to mean Reason celebrates censorship. So when Reason says Musk shouldn’t moderate content they think it’s a clever gotcha, because that contradicts their previous love for censorship. That’s the only thing I can think of. Only problem is that the premise – that Reason loves moderation because they said it’s ok for a private company to moderate content – is false. The complainers are just pissy because they liked the moderated content. When content they don’t like is moderated or otherwise squashed, they don’t seem to mind a bit. Principle shminciples.

          1. XM   3 years ago

            Reason never said Twitter should be a "free speech absolutist". Not once. They've stuck to their libertarian position to defend big tech, even when they banned or suspended accounts despite demonstrably never violating their TOS.

            Elon merely enforced existing rule on Twitter. Or maybe he modified it. Either way, HIS rules, HIS company. But Robby posits a nonsensical "violation the freedom of speech" standard which he never applied to big tech. What he did had nothing to do with free speech or comedy. He's considering plans to charge 8 bucks to blue checks, so he can't have users impersonate paying customers. Certainly not him, the owner of the company. It doesn't matter if "gay robby soave from reason" is obviously fake, because stupid people can amplify tweets and possibly put his life in danger.

            So why is Elon taken to a higher standard? Why is the tone and expectation different? Remember Robby took the right to task for conspiracy theories (they should be ashamed!) and said the case was closed. He only had a muted acknowledgement of the left trying to paint depape as a MAGA type. A few days later NBC retracted their entire report on the incident.

            This is an emerging pattern on this publication. It's starting to resemble the Lincoln Project, which basically says we have to tolerate left wing lunacy to address shortcomings of the right. You've seen more moral outrage here on Masters or Lake than most of the ruling leftist party. People are NOT happy with this group. The demographic shift to the GOP is part Trump, part prog urban policy that finally got too cute. But Reason is in perpetual fear of the nationalist bogeyman.

        2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          LOL by being consistent and actually applying their inhouse rules to liberals finally, this is team partisanship. Got it.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            By stooping to the level of the left, conservatives have lost the moral high ground. The only difference I see between right and left is what they want to control and who they want to control it. Liberty isn't on either team's radar.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Oh, and Republicans are less spendy than Democrats.

              People being that up all the time as a Reason we should vote for Republicans, as if being less spendy is something to get excited over.

              1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

                It is

        3. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          Dee, you bitch! We like that he enforced the rules on a rabid leftist for a change. Instead of just beating down good Americans.

      3. XM   3 years ago

        You don't see inconsistencies in how Reason abides by those standards?

        When republicans complained about censorship and dubious moderation tactics, the perfunctory Reason response was "private company". They barely acknowledged any wrongdoing on the part of the company, even when they suspended accounts for saying things like "Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent". They were forced to admit that the Hunter Biden laptop blackout was real only after the NYT expose.

        Why didn't Reason take Twitter to task like they're doing with Elon now? We have to tolerate arbitrary / censorious TOS set by leftists because "private company", but Elon should be shamed into changing existing rules to be "free speech absolutist"? All Elon did with Kathy was enforce existing rules. Pre Elon Twitter would have done this to a republican in a heartbeat.

        Let me guess, we have to hold Elon to a higher standards. No, I'm not buying that. If you eschew morality to abide by constitutional principles, you do that to everyone. I'm not going to tolerate the KKK holding hate rallies but accost a church for discussing biblical interpretation on homosexuality. You're not going to say that a killing an early human being is an act of bodily autonomy but decry someone for smoking candy flavored vape.

        If Elon took over Twitter and did to leftists what they did to the center right, Reason should stick to their "it's private company" line. The end. There is no "well it's a private company but.... Elon said...." No. It's a private company or it isn't.

    2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      He stated that "free speech" is essential to a functioning democracy.
      And he defined the "free speech" he wanted for Twitter as "matching the law".

      Neither "hate speech" nor "false speech" violates the law, so hate speech and false speech should be allowed on Twitter (according to Lonnie's own words). If he then chooses to do something else, that's fine, but he is a hypocrite.

      1. DarrenM   3 years ago

        "If he then chooses to do something else, that’s fine, but he is a hypocrite."

        Or he changed his mind or reword his position. I don't think you know what "hypocrite" means.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Changing his mind is fine, and if so, perhaps I'm being to hard on Lonnie, but that does depend on him having actually changed his mind.

          1. Dace Highlander   3 years ago

            It was false speech initially which you said is fine. Thank you for your participation. Also please note that you never condemned PreMusk Twitter for its banning of hate/false speech even after find out that such speech was verifiable. Also please see Babylon Bee.

  22. Liberty Lover   3 years ago (edited)

    Musk owns the company right now. He can do what he wants. Make what rules he wants. It is his money that will be increased or lost. Let’s see though if he gets de-platformed? If the masters of tech turn on him.
    Let’s see if users tolerate his dictatorship like they are so willing to tolerate the same thing from their chosen party.

    1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

      As opposed to tolerating the velvet chains of today?

      Musk is talking about valuing free speech while the current “masters of tech” are restricting the virtual town square for the highest bidder.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago (edited)

        You’d rather have steel chains for private business and workers and consumers alike right, Misek?

        That’s what your proposal of requiring every private business to provide everything to everybody would mean. If every merchant is forced to to provide it, every producer business has to be forced to produce it, and their workers must be forced to work to produce it, and the time producers and their workers are forced to produce it is that much less time they could spend consuming and enjoying goods and services. What you propose is Universal Slavery for the sake of Universal Slavery.

        Not in one moment I exist in the Natural Universe!

        Fuck Off, Nazi!

  23. Scrotalgia   3 years ago

    Jack Dorsey owned Twitter... So, the rules were whatever he wanted. Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post... So, the rules are whatever he wants.

    What is your point. YOU ONLY LIKE OPINIONS WHICH AGREE WITH YOUR OPINIONS. GREAT...!!!

  24. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   3 years ago

    Robby Soave you are guilty of a double standard. Up to this point To me it appears that Elon Musk is only applying the existing rules evenly. Unfortunately the media is so used to the double standard that any degree of even-handedness is decried as being unfair.

    It will take awhile for Elon Musk to clean up and clear out the bad elements from twitter. I believe that there is the opportunity for dialog between people instead of the woke crap that shuts down free speech. To understand other opinions you need to listen to the other opinion instead of just assuming you already understand why the other opinion exists.

    I long for a day when Democrats and liberals fought for free speech. The Democrat party has devolved into a group of authoritarians bent of forcing their views on others because they have failed to persuade and convince through dialog.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      He's obviously not "only applying the existing rules evenly" if since taking over he's added a new restriction to the "parody" which will be permitted on Twitter.

      Which he has done, when he added the proviso, "without clearly specifying "parody"".

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        As long as it makes lefties mad, it's all good.

      2. MJBinAL   3 years ago

        Actually no, the "parody" was not deleted because it was parody, it violated the already existing rule on impersonating another person.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          ...and “without clearly specifying “parody”."

          1. Smack Daddy   3 years ago

            That has nothing to do with it. The rules were applied fairly, and posters were given an out of they wish to engage in imitation in the future.. Your spin is not going to fly.

            1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

              I'm just quoting what he said, and appears to have ordered to be done. Several accounts were "permanently suspended", based on his latest statements, and not based on the existing TOS.

  25. Agammamon   3 years ago

    "If the bird site's new owner wants to protect free speech, he should focus on resisting government requests to remove content."

    Funny that - before Musk it's was just 'a business decision' to remove content at government demand.

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      It still is.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Where did Robby say it isn’t still a business decision?

  26. Agammamon   3 years ago

    "But the policy is clearly inconsistence with an ethos of free speech absolutism, which Musk has stated is his guiding principle"

    1. Where TF are the editors!

    2. Has he though? Because I haven't seen him say that.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      It’s a blog.

      The Reason organization puts out a print magazine with editors and all that. But the blog isn’t that.

      You never make typos in your comments?

  27. Bradlux   3 years ago

    Musk, who is also Tesla CEO, has faced criticism from some groups over his absolutist stance on free speech. They expect his position to increase the volume of misinformation and hate speech on the platform.
    His tweet on Monday represented the first time the head of a major social media platform explicitly endorsed a U.S. political party.
    Musk directed his Twitter message to what he called “independent-minded voters,” writing: “Shared power curbs the worst excesses of both parties, therefore I recommend voting for a Republican Congress, given that the presidency is Democratic.”
    https://worldabcnews.com/musk-who-said-twitter-needed-to-be-politically-neutral-endorses-republicans-in-midterms/

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      "For Twitter to deserve public trust, it must be politically neutral, which effectively means upsetting the far right and the far left equally" @elonmusk

      That was so April 2022, though.

      1. Smack Daddy   3 years ago

        Well you seem pretty upset. ?.
        I don't tweet, but Twitter is starting to gain my trust.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Why would I be upset? I don't use Twitter. Lonnie can do whatever he wants with it--which appears to be "driving it into the ground".

  28. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

    A business owner certainly gets a lot of latitude as to how he runs his business. But there ARE some limits as to what he can do, and every rational person understands this.

    Jack Dorsey, Elon Musk, or any other website owner is certainly well within their rights to make their site a "democrats only" or "republicans only" service if they wish. They have to say that clearly though! What they are NOT allowed to do is claim that theyre running an open platform with clearly defined rules and terms that apply equally to everyone, while behind the scenes they are secretly shadowbanning one side or the other side in direct contradiction of their claim. We sane people call that "lying", "deception", "fraud".

    They are not allowed to do that, the same way that a pizzeria owner isn't allowed to put rat poison in his pepper shakers and claim it's red pepper, and a vineyard owner isn't allowed to claim that drinking his wine will cure your cancer. Fraud, not legal. Even a dipshit like you should be able to understand all this, Rico Soave.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Exactly. They aren't allowed to do that. In much the same way Shrike (aka SoCkSoCkPeDo aka Buttplug) isn't allowed to post child porn to either. He'll get banned there, he'll get banned here.

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        You can't "post child porn" to this site--it's not allowed by the user interface. Go ahead and try.

        We all know you've saved the link...

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          You can’t “post child porn” to this site–it’s not allowed by the user interface. Go ahead and try.

          Shriek knows that child porn can't be posted to this site from personal experience.

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            Are you admitting that it is not actually possible to do as "all the evidence" has alleged?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              No, I'm saying you're awfully familiar with the locations of child porn on the internet and that those links can't be posted here.

              1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                Jesus, how au fait with the "dark corners of the Web" does one have to be to know basic things like how hyperlinks work, how browsers work and how comment platforms work?

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                  I'm just pointing out how obsessed with child porn you seem to be.

                  1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                    You're failing.

                    1. Dace Highlander   3 years ago

                      It is hard to point out the level of interest you have in child porn, true.

        2. DarrenM   3 years ago

          You can't post links to child porn sites? Is there an AI that follows those links to determine if the content is acceptable?

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            Yes, I'm sure the "Shrike Force PoPo" on this forum used "AI" to safely determine the illegal nature of the hyperlinks they apparently clicked on...

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

              Except shriek admitted that the links were child porn when he posted them. Why would anyone need to click on the links, especially considering that he got his account nuked for doing so?

              1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                Oh, then you should be able to show us the posts in which s/he "admitted that the links were child porn when he posted them".

                I'm happy to believe you about the underlying allegation, but you (and your compadres) do seem to be completely unable to provide anything resembling "all the evidence" of anyone doing anything illegal on this forum (or even what you say s/he did).

                Perhaps it's a pattern? Your lot seem to fervidly believe other things without evidence, too.

    2. mtrueman   3 years ago

      "What they are NOT allowed to do is claim that theyre running an open platform with clearly defined rules and terms that apply equally to everyone, while behind the scenes they are secretly shadowbanning one side or the other side in direct contradiction of their claim. "

      If the advertisers are OK with it, why not? The customer (the advertiser) is always right are the watch words of any savvy business man.

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        Just as if the advertisers are happy that Lonnie is a hypocrite who has no idea what he's doing.

        Yay, capitalism.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          LOL, all this over an internet sticker.

        2. mtrueman   3 years ago

          "Lonnie is a hypocrite who has no idea what he’s doing. "

          Hypocrites know what they are doing. They also know right from wrong. It's the knowing what they are doing is wrong that makes a person a hypocrite.

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            Touché. I should have clarified that he had no idea how to run Twitter. Hypocrites often do know what they are doing.

  29. mpercy   3 years ago

    "After all, social media moderators who nuked the Hunter Biden laptop story or prevent discussion of the COVID-19 lab leak theory likely thought they were working in the best interests of accuracy"

    Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence! Begging the question!

  30. mpercy   3 years ago

    "The bird site"?

    Is Twitter now in the same bin as Voldemort? "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named"?

  31. mpercy   3 years ago

    I wonder if Kathy Griffen had posted the same comments under her normal account name and not violated the T&Cs whether her account would have been suspended?

    You can burn a flag as free speech, but depending on where you do it and how you do it, you may still get arrested for arson, trespassing, vandalism or theft (e.g., if the flag you burn was not your own).

    1. mtrueman   3 years ago

      "I wonder if Kathy Griffen had posted the same comments under her normal account name "

      That wouldn't be parody.
      "A parody is a composition that imitates the style of another composition, normally for comic effect and often by applying that style to an outlandish or inappropriate subject. "
      https://www.cliffsnotes.com/cliffsnotes/subjects/literature/whats-the-difference-between-parody-and-satire

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        It would be like explaining a joke [insert clever Internet meme here].

        1. mtrueman   3 years ago

          Or imagine an impersonator, Rich Little for example, doing his act, giving the lines, without imitating the voice, mannerisms or body language of the target person. Something Andy Kaufman might have done, and got a laugh, even.

          1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

            The problem is when someone like Rich Little does his impersonations, it is part of a routine and Rich Little is identifiable as Rich Little, no one is going to take him as actually being the person he is impersonating. That is not the case on a forum like Twitter. He'll, it can be difficult enough to convey sarcasm on something like Twitter.

            1. mtrueman   3 years ago

              "That is not the case on a forum like Twitter."

              Perhaps it should be. Personal experience on this board, rather than Twitter, has taught me we all take ourselves too seriously, and that only the broadest and most obvious attempts at humor actually come across as humor. Anything requiring the slightest bit of subtlety is likely to be seized on as evidence of stupidity or badness.

    2. MJBinAL   3 years ago

      The difficulty with parody like this on social media, is that you are not allowed to impersonate someone else. This is a sensible rule for social media.

      It is a bit of a stretch to refer to Kathy Griffin as a comic or comedian. To be a comic or comedian, you have to be funny.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        Well, there goes Trevor Noah’s comedian credentials.

  32. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    They built a special access portal for government agents to submit censorship requests.

    burn it all down.

  33. MJBinAL   3 years ago

    "Social media moderators who nuked the Hunter Biden laptop story or prevent discussion of the COVID-19 lab leak theory likely thought they were working in the best interests of accuracy—it just so happened that they were misguided."

    If you believe that, I have some lovely ocean front property in Kansas to make you a deal on.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      that is one of the most extreme gaslighting attempts I've read in a long time, second only to changing the definition of a recession once the recession started.

      NO. These people were not misguided. They knew exactly what they were doing.

      1. Smack Daddy   3 years ago

        More of this.^
        Stop giving these people the cover of stupidity.
        They know exactly what they are doing.

  34. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

    "Special access portal" makes it sound more sinister than it is. From the article below:

    "Every company has systems for anyone to report information for the companies to review. But the big companies, for fairly obvious and sensible reasons, also set up specialized versions of that reporting system for government officials so that reports don’t get lost in the flow. Nothing in that system is about demanding or suppressing information, and it’s basically misinformation for the Intercept to imply otherwise. It’s just the standard reporting tool. The presentation that the Intercept links to is just about how government officials can log into the system because it has multiple layers of security to make sure that you’re actually a government official."

    https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/bullshit-reporting-the-intercepts-story-about-government-policing-disinfo-is-absolute-garbage/

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      LOL imagine believe there is nothing sinister about the bird fast-tracking a government-generated censorship request with priority.

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        How would you do it?

        1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          By not having the government ‘police disinformation’. Which is what the Biden administration usually generates.

        2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          how would i accept censorship requests from teh federal government? With a big giant middle finger.

  35. JasonAZ   3 years ago

    It surely seems like Musk Derangement Syndrome is most likely to occur in people that already have TDS & RDDS. Sadly, the symptoms are quite similar and fatal.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      I doubt Musk will be able to do everything he wants with the bird app but if anything, the best thing about his takeover is how thoroughly he has exposed the stalinists on the left with most minor of potential changes to their censorship regime. IT's incredible to watch.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        It's pretty fucking pathetic how the press and seething lefties have restorted to calling Twitter the "bird site" now, just because they think their social media safe space has been compromised.

        This is what happens when a generation and a half end up believing that books about teenage wizards are high literature.

      2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        Somehow, calling out Lonnie's imperious caprice is "Stalinist"!

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          LOL, yeah your interest in Twitter is simply "academic." At least your side is getting hurt here for once.

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            I'm just here for the lulz.

            You have no idea what my "side" is, but it's interesting to know your heart is full of malice.

    2. mtrueman   3 years ago

      "It surely seems like Musk Derangement Syndrome is most likely to occur in people that already have TDS & RDDS. "

      I understand that Martians have it bad too.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        You’re a Martian?

        1. mtrueman   3 years ago (edited)

          No, I live on Earth, always have, and I identify as Earthling. The Martians I mean live on Mars, Musk’s ultimate goal. This free speech Twitter nonsense is all opera, space opera.

      2. Smack Daddy   3 years ago

        I know, just ask Marvin about his illidium pew 36 explosive space modulator.

  36. Tionico   3 years ago

    he should focus on resisting government requests to remove content.”

    Nope. He should IGNORE and refuse to "obey" to government requests. Musk owns Twitter, not Uncle Sam. If Uncle wants to have something like Twitter we all know they are not above, nor imune to, starting one. Guaranteed to cost eight to sixteen times as much, employ three times the workers, and serveone tenth the number of clients.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      He should definitely ignore any unconstitutional requests, but he should probably at least consider any reasonable requests coming from the government. Purely out of self-interest.

      After all, the government can legislate and regulate as much as it wants (provided that is done within Constitutional limits), so refusing reasonable government requests to examine particular content is likely to result in government coercion via statutes and regulations. Lonnie is certainly no stranger to the trouble government regulators can cause him (are his Tweets still subject to his SEC settlement, I wonder?)

    2. MWAocdoc   3 years ago

      This has always been the conundrum for industrialists: whether to present a united front with other industrialists against government overreach in order to achieve the greater good for themselves and society in general in the long term; or to buy politicians to obtain favors from government to help them beat their competitors for their own selfish short-term advantage?

  37. MWAocdoc   3 years ago

    Once again, many people including Musk seem to be confused about the difference between goals and aspirations on the one hand; and effective tactics and strategies to achieve those goals and aspirations; while totally forgetting about unintended consequences.

  38. Political Survival Fanatic   3 years ago

    "This gets at a larger problem, which is that "free speech absolutism" does not work as a content moderation strategy."

    It most certainly does, but Reason "Libertarians" lust after big government.

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Would you consider the Reason comment section to be a good example of such a content moderation strategy?

  39. Kevin S. Van Horn   3 years ago

    Why do you consider banning fraud / libel to be incompatible with free-speech absolutism? Tweeting under another person's name is both fraudulent and possibly libelous, as you are effectively claiming they said something they didn't say. The First Amendment doesn't protect fraud and libel. Putting "(parody)" in the name, as in "Elon Musk (parody)", resolves that problem, and that's all that is being required.

    1. Lord Blastington   3 years ago

      You may have a point if Griffin was using Musk's Private Information to Profit from it, like for example Griffin discovers all of Musk's bank information and uses it to steal all his money.

      However that didn't happen. What did was that Griffin used Musk's real (and public) name to make fun of him. Last I checked that's not a crime.

  40. Kevin S. Van Horn   3 years ago

    Robby, you lost a lot of credibility with me when you made the absurd statement that Russia was the "obvious culprit" in the Nord Stream sabotage. Name one single other situation in which you would claim that the victim of an attack on property that cost the victim dearly (easily over a billion dollars in this case) was the obvious culprit... while ignoring the prior threats of the victim's self-proclaimed enemies.

  41. Lord Blastington   3 years ago

    An update.

    Elon Musk recently allowed a number of people who where previously banned on Twitter, including Donald Trump. It then resulted is a number of people asking Musk to allow Alex Jones back on Twitter, and Musk's response was a hard No. Then when Sam Harris brought up the subject, Musk state that because of the Death of his Child he has No Mercy on Anyone who Profits from Dead Children.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1594552252865384450?t=8s7A-7WAPayqGEI06nXtvQ&s=19

    Guess we can talk it as it is.

    Still the Biggest Criticism for Elon Musk in regards to Alex Jones and Kathy Griffin is the fact that right from the start of the Twitter Acquisition, Musk gave a strong impression that he will make Twitter more Free Speech Absolute. Like maybe Soave is correct that it's nearly impossible to run a successful business on Free Speech Absolutistism, but what is definitely a bad business decision is to set up certain expectations yet deliberately not fallowing through on them

  42. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

    It’s nothing.

  43. Lord Blastington   3 years ago

    Maybe Reason should start a moderation policy on Ad Bots

  44. Rob Misek   3 years ago

    “If the bird site's new owner wants to protect free speech, he should focus on resisting government requests to remove content.”

    If the founders of the constitution could have imagined an environment where private oligarchs control our lives as they do today, they too would have been mentioned.

    Do you think they intended to give a free ticket to private companies to restrict what we buy and sell?

  45. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

    They intended the Constitution to be amended as and when necessary. That is all.

  46. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

    So now you're saying that every private company has to offer every product or services customers could possibly want, regardless of ability or desire of private companies to obtain and offer the products or services, or otherwise the private companies are "restrict(ing) what we buy and sell?"

    You do understand that not even Amazon, Walmart, or Alibaba offer everything customers could possibly want, not even in the best of all possible worlds, right?

    You do understand that requiring this of every private business would make barriers to entry for competition impossible, this creating the very oligarchies and monopoly you claim to oppose, right?

    You do understand that even attempting to require this of every private business would require unlimited Totalitarian Government power undreamed of by Caesar, Genghis Khan, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, or even your favorites Mussolini and You Know Who Else?

    You do understand that an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnibenevolent, Unchanging, Perfect God to provide everything everybody could possibly want does not exist, Mein Fraulein?.

    And that judging from all the "holy books" in existence, and the past and present state of the world, if that God did exist, he's done a shit job and/or doesn't care?

    Well, whether you understand it or not, all of this is true and knowingly saying otherwise is lying, so turn yourself.into yourself, Anti-Lügen Ubersturmfuhrer

    And above all, Fuck Off, Nazi!

  47. Rob Misek   3 years ago

    To create a more perfect union.

    A ways to go yet.

  48. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

    Your "perfect union" is Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Führer!.

    We've already seen how that worked out.

    Fuck Off, Nazi!

  49. JessicaClark9   3 years ago (edited)

    I get paid over 190$ per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I’d be able to do it but my best friend earns over 10k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless. Heres what I’ve been doing..

    HERE====)> ???.????????????.???

  50. Rob Misek   3 years ago

    Uh, except I never said that. Your bigotry has left you incoherent.

    The act of canceling prevents people from buying or selling. The cancelled are excluded from the marketplace.

    Or you can continue to refute your own straw men.

    Why do you lie by calling me a Nazi?

  51. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago (edited)

    You said: Do you think they intended to give a free ticket to private companies to restrict what we buy and sell?

    I then gave my reply, which is the logical result of what your position is and carried to it logical absurdity.

    Oh, and I’m not even on Twitter and I’m still buying and selling!

    Why do you lie by calling me a Nazi?

    I’m not lying. Nazi is as Nazi does and Nazis engage in hatred of Jews, Holocaust Denial, and apologetics for Totalitarianism by the likes of Putin!

    So, as always, Fuck Off, Nazi!

  52. Rob Misek   3 years ago

    That’s what I said but your reply was to something else entirely.

    Are Nazis defined by exposing lie with correctly applied logic and science? That what I do, that you nor anyone else has ever refuted.

    Maybe Jews call everyone who exposes lies Nazis. Your schtick meme.

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