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Twitter Was Toxic Long Before Musk Took Over

Plus: Hate speech is free speech, tax gap is stable, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 11.1.2022 10:00 AM

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Does Elon Musk know what he's doing? Every move "chief twit" Elon Musk has made since purchasing Twitter has been closely and widely scrutinized—with a lot of folks quickly jumping to the conclusion that Twitter is now doomed.

Musk has been making a lot of eyebrow-raising moves. He dissolved Twitter's current board and became its sole director. (It's "just temporary," he tweeted.) He shared a conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. And The Verge reported on Sunday that Musk is planning on charging people $20 per month to keep the blue check mark that signifies verified status.

Some of these moves are defensible; others are not. But no matter what Musk does, people seem hellbent on crying catastrophe. For instance, a lot of folks are now insisting that Musk's Twitter has become a haven for racism.

Much of this stems from a report that "use of N-word on Twitter jumped by almost 500% after Elon Musk's takeover." But the jump seems to have come from a coordinated attempt by trolls to test limits, not some sort of new normal on the platform.

And other attempts to portray Twitter as newly toxic ring hollow, considering offensive language and conspiracy theories thrived on the site long before Musk took over, and that Musk insisted (at least as of late last week) that no content moderation changes had yet been made.

Overall, it smacks of people just looking for reasons to pillory Musk. He's become a larger-than-life boogeyman to many on the left, hellbent (in their minds, at least) on not just making changes to a social media platform people voluntarily use but destroying democracy:

There is a tiny possibility Elon Musk is trying to distract us from the fact we have 9 days to save democracy.

— Maya May (@mayaonstage) October 30, 2022

Lest anyone questions the idea that Musk has become a Trump-like figure for the left, here's a CNN headline: "Elon Musk, with his bombastic tweets, is filling the void vacated by Trump on Twitter." And here's The Guardian: "Like Trump, Elon Musk reveals a vapid mind super-charged by wealth and ego."

But while the hysteria around Musk may be supremely eye-roll inducing, some of Musk's moves do raise questions about just what, exactly, he's doing.

Take the alleged plan to charge for Twitter verification.

Verification was originally designed to deal with the problem of people impersonating public figures like politicians and celebrities. It still serves that purpose, but it has also become much more—a status symbol in the minds of some, and a driver of online resentment. A signaling mechanism. A shorthand for a hated class ("blue check Twitter").

Big celebrities, corporations, and officials may be happy to pay, but a lot of lower-level public figures aren't. Musk's alleged plan to start charging for the privilege seems to fundamentally misunderstand why the blue check is coveted. Where it was once bestowed upon people and (somewhat nonsensically) viewed as a mark of external validation, paying for the privilege would at once take away the perceived prestige and mark folks as thirsty, clout-chasing suckers. So people on Twitter have been loudly scoffing, and Musk's responses have been…interesting.

In response to Stephen King—who tweeted "$20 a month to keep my blue check? Fuck that, they should pay me. If that gets instituted, I'm gone like Enron"—Musk replied: "We need to pay the bills somehow! Twitter cannot rely entirely on advertisers. How about $8?"

We need to pay the bills somehow! Twitter cannot rely entirely on advertisers. How about $8?

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 1, 2022

In a follow-up tweet, Musk replied "I will explain the rationale in longer form before this is implemented. It is the only way to defeat the bots & trolls."

Perhaps Musk's explanation will eventually make sense, but at present this proposal seems silly. More verified accounts means less ability for bots and trolls to impersonate people. But charging for verification is only going to lead to fewer verified accounts and more ability for bots and trolls to wreak havoc. Even if verification opens up to any real-name account and not just (very loosely defined) public figures, it seems unlikely that most people will pay—and certainly not $240 a year.

A poll from tech investor and entrepreneur Jason Calacanis found the vast majority of people said they wouldn't pay even $5 per month for verification. Musk responded publicly to the results: "Interesting."

The whole episode suggests, at worst, that Musk has no idea what he's doing—that he's rushing to make changes without research or really thinking through the implications. That he's simply throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.

But there's also a more charitable way to read this: Musk is willing to consider bold ideas and big changes, and also to adapt to public feedback. In a number of recent tweets, Musk has appeared receptive to all sorts of suggestions for making Twitter better.


FREE MINDS

Reminder: Hate speech is free speech. Late October was for playing the hits when it comes to bad First Amendment takes, apparently. First, Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito—talk about people who should know better!—trotted out the "can't yell fire in a crowded theater" trope. Now, it's LeBron James and the idea that there's a "hate speech" exception to the First Amendment.

"So many damn unfit people saying hate speech is free speech," tweeted James, in response to a report that use of racial slurs on Twitter were up.

It's the scariest free speech misconception since "fire in a crowded theater" …

This Halloween, beware of….

"Hate speech isn't free speech" ???? /1 https://t.co/neo6Qevv4m

— FIRE (@TheFIREorg) October 31, 2022

As the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) points out, there are some exceptions to First Amendment protections, including true threats and incitement to imminent lawless action. But offensive language, insulting words, and bigoted speech are not among them. And one needn't endorse this sort of speech to be opposed to criminalizing it.

Hate speech is a vague, broad term. "Hate" means a lot of different things to different people. Sometimes people use hateful terms to discuss the history and impact of those terms in a critical way. Carving out a hate speech exemption to the First Amendment "will lead to selective and politicized enforcement," notes FIRE. It also comes with all sorts of unintended consequences:

Throughout history, those who have called for governments, corporations, or societies at large to silence others find that eventually the censors turn on them, too.

Times change. Power shifts. But censorship rarely weakens. /7

— FIRE (@TheFIREorg) October 31, 2022


FREE MARKETS

A stable tax gap. The Biden administration has partially justified its massive new funding for IRS agents by suggesting that it's needed to deal with an increasing amount of tax fraud. But a new IRS report suggests this increase does not exist. The Cato Institute has details:

The IRS has released a new estimate of the "tax gap," which is the amount of federal taxes owed but not paid. Basically, this is the amount of cheating on federal taxes. The IRS report contains good news. Tax cheating is not a growing problem relative to the size of the economy, despite all the political rhetoric to the contrary.

The IRS found that the annual gross tax gap for 2014–2016 was $496 billion. After late payments and enforcement actions, the net tax gap was $428 billion. Of the net total, $306 billion stemmed from individual income taxes, $34 billion from corporate income taxes, $87 billion from payroll taxes, and $2 billion from estate taxes.

The new report includes gross tax gap estimates for prior years, which were $345 billion in 2001, $472 billion in 2006, $394 billion in 2008–2010, and $438 billion in 2011–2013. The IRS also projected the gap for 2017–2019 to be $540 billion. The dollar value of the tax gap has increased, but the gap has not increased when compared to the nation's gross domestic product (GDP) […] The flip side of the gross tax gap is the "voluntary compliance rate," which is the tax paid on time divided by the estimated full amount owed. The IRS report shows that the voluntary compliance rate rose from 83.7 percent in 2011–2013 to 85.0 percent in 2014–2016. The IRS projects the rate to be 85.1 percent in 2017–2019.

More here.


QUICK HITS

It was the talk of Republican candidates over Halloween weekend: A rumor that their trick-or-treating kids might get candy-colored fentanyl from strangers.

It's another example of a divided information universe, @daveweigel writeshttps://t.co/RnRFfo6blQ

— Semafor (@semafor) October 31, 2022

• "A federal judge denied a bid to shut down efforts by a group that has been surveilling drop boxes in Maricopa County, saying that it would violate the First Amendment rights of the watchers," reports the Louisiana Illuminator.

• One of the oldest moral panics in the book is back.

• J.D. Vance's Senate race isn't going quite as expected.

• Is Massachusetts sheriff Thomas Hodgson "the Arpaio of the East"?

• Emily Oster calls for "a pandemic amnesty." She writes: " Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward."

• The Bulwark on Republicans' disappointing response to the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Does Elon Musk know what he's doing?

    Does he even understand The Narrative?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      He’s screwed up so many things so far.

      1. Overt   3 years ago

        That's why he's destitute and living in a van down by the river.

        1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

          He's soooo poor... He eats cockroach stew and wears rat-fur coats!

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        2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          SQRLSY must have thought you were talking about him.

    2. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      Seems ridiculous to think that people *won't* pay $20/month to prevent people from spoofing them.

      I also think it would dramatically increase the quality of twits if you had to buy a blue check be seen outside your direct connections.

      1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

        Stephen King is insane if he thinks Twitter doesn't provide him $20 in value in a month.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Seems it is likely the other way around, with Stephen King already famous and rolling in royalty money, and bringing eyeballs to Twitter, which Twitter can sell to advertisers.

          1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

            Value like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If Musk and King can't reach an accommodation parting ways is all that's left.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Surely true. It is ultimately between Twitter and King. None of our opinions matter.

    3. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Next move he buys Paypal back, then turns its recent shitty policies around... 😉

  2. JesseAz   3 years ago

    You did this theme on the podcast. Is this the new journolist narrative? What changed to make you say it over and over now?

    1. MT-Man   3 years ago

      Why is this just now being a headline we had many years before that to mass publish the feeling it's a cesspool. Strange it's only now I see this everywhere.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...with a lot of folks quickly jumping to the conclusion that Twitter is now doomed.

    The Very Online predicted that their prediction will come to pass.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Did they each poll themselves?

      1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

        I think that's on Onlyfans, not twitter

        1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

          wait, that's pole. Sorry.

          1. Utkonos   3 years ago

            Has the pole been fact czeched?

            1. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

              Let's not russian and change everything.

              1. Utkonos   3 years ago

                Look I hate to Budapest about it, but the public is Hungary for more details!

                1. R Mac   3 years ago

                  Are you guys finnish with this?

                  1. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

                    Not yet, norway!

                    1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                      I'm Lapping it up! 🙂

                  2. Utkonos   3 years ago

                    I won’t dane to respond except to point out that we can find out a latvia other social platforms, and I for one will not lett this go till then!

                    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                      Chile out dude.

                    2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                      Relax, Don't Look At Me. Utkanos is just mentally Romanian around with puns. Not all who wander and wonder are lost. 🙂

                    3. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                      Something's rotten the the State of that pun. 🙂

                    4. Utkonos   3 years ago

                      We’re doing other continents now? Iran with that once and ended up between Iraq and a hard place!

                    5. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                      Yemen, I agree with that. 🙂

              2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                Vladimir is certainly not Putin his foot down against that! 🙂

          2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            How nasty and Bulgar!

    2. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      Doomed would be preferable to being populated by smug authoritarian assholes.

      1. Finrod   3 years ago

        Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

        -- CS Lewis

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          I've long thought that that Lewis quote should be on Reason's masthead. For the staff's edification more than the readers.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            And mike/jeff/sarcs

            1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

              Reciting that text is probably like reciting the Montessori Formula in front of a vampire.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          Ol' CLew must have met the kind of religious pamphleteers who continuously litter the store where I work with flyers, tracks, and tomes. They sure think they're acting for our own good when they litter us with Jack Chick pamphlets and big, thick dust-collectors from E.G. White.

          (In all fairness, it isn't just Christians. We did get a visit from the EKANKAR people too.)

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            Woah, Chick tracts are still a thing which are still published?! Amazing.

            1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

              Yep, in all their caricatured, ugly glory. People even read the things on YouTube.

  4. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Libertarian Marc Victor drops out and endorses Blake Masters.

    https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/01/blake-masters-gets-a-possibly-game-changing-boost-in-arizona-n652282

    1. Overt   3 years ago

      I don't believe that any libertarian owes their vote to a republican, though I also don't know Masters and whether he would be a suitable alternative to a libertarian. However it would be interesting to see Reason cover this, given that they always cover when Libertarians are spoilers.

      Personally, I have always believed that being a spoiler is pretty much the only power libertarians have in the two party system. In races that come down to 1 - 2%, if Republicans (or democrats) want to win, they need to cater towards that 1-2% voting for the libertarian.

      It will be interesting to see if dropping out after ballots are printed actually does much to help.

      1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        Except they don't always cover libertarians as spoilers. They cover libertarians as spoilers against the GOP candidate only.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Dave Smith has had some interesting takes about Marc Victor. He likes the guy, thinks he was a clown during the debates. I agree with him.

        But to me playing spoilers to conservatives with as much of a libertarian background as Masters is wrong. Youre punishing the candidates youre most likely to have common ground with. Would rather the spoilers appear against the big state conservatives.

        1. genXer   3 years ago

          I happen to be watching Smith’s podcast with Masters right now. Only 5 minutes in but like what I’ve heard so far- he said he was ‘steeped in Rothbard/Mises etc. in late high school and all of college’ and says it was his formative political thinking.

          Dave Smith endorsed him, FWIW.

        2. Overt   3 years ago

          "But to me playing spoilers to conservatives with as much of a libertarian background as Masters is wrong."

          Well if you are a good libertarian Republican, someone can't play spoiler against you. Put a Libertarian candidate against Rand Paul and they'll go nowhere. Because anyone with any libertarian proclivities will (correctly) determine that Rand is better suited to advance libertarian ideals.

          That said, being a spoiling voter only matters if your threat is real. Small L Libertarians who always vote for the Republican because "this is the most important election evar and we can't let the Democrats win" will (rationally) be taken for granted by Republicans, because it is easier to foster the sense that this is the Most Important Election Evar!! (tm) than it is to legislate or govern with libertarian proclivities.

          1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

            I found myself voting R more this election season not because the election is so important, but because I've seen enough to know the libertarian party candidates are pretty shitty.

            I'd love to vote for more libertarians but they need to put good candidates on the ballot, and they need to run good races. I actually voted for a rather shitty Republican because I felt it was a better use of my vote than the shitty libertarian he was running against.

            1. Overt   3 years ago

              Republican vote as a Spoiler protest vote against the libertarians. NOW we are getting somewhere!

              1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

                LOL

          2. R Mac   3 years ago

            I don’t know about most important EVER, but I don’t need the Republicans to tell me it’s more important than most after the last two years of one party rule. Hopefully the Democrats become a bit more moderate so I can go back to wasting my votes on libertarians, but not this time.

        3. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          I would rather see such a spoiler against Mitch McConnell, as long as it doesn’t leave the senate in the clutches of the democrats.

      3. Nardz   3 years ago

        "Personally, I have always believed that being a spoiler is pretty much the only power libertarians have in the two party system. In races that come down to 1 – 2%, if Republicans (or democrats) want to win, they need to cater towards that 1-2% voting for the libertarian."

        How's that working out for you?

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Joe Biden did that.

          1. Overt   3 years ago

            Wait, which is it. Was the Election stolen, or was it given away by libertarians?

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Both can happen.

              1. Overt   3 years ago

                No, actually in this case it is binary.

                If the Libertarians spoiled the vote then Republicans could have placated more libertarians to get their vote, and overcome the cheating. (Or libertarians could have held their nose and voted for the Republicans for the same effect.) Cheating wouldn't matter.

                On the other hand, if the cheating was the cause, it wouldn't have mattered if there were spoilers. The cheaters would have found enough "votes" to win the day anyways.

                Either way, to me, it seems like the answer is: GOP should be more libertarian if they want to capture libertarian voters, and the GOP should continue efforts to prevent cheating.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

                  It can be both. There are 50 states. There were enough questionable votes in a handful of them. Libertarians took votes on other states. Some states showed one thing, others showed another.

                  Not sure how you can say it can't be both based on how the electoral college works.

                2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  I'll even add that a repub up 3% who loses 2 percent to libertarian and 1% to fraud would lose.

                  Saying it can't be both is just silly.

                  1. Overt   3 years ago

                    fair enough.

        2. Overt   3 years ago

          "How’s that working out for you?"

          About as well as mindlessly shilling for bad GOP candidates has worked for you.

          ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

            Less damage rolling down a 30 degree incline than a 70 degree one.

          2. Nardz   3 years ago

            Name one I've mindlessly shilled for, eunuch.

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        I suspect he just decided that the prospect of Mark Kelly continuing his time in office was simply a worse prospect than any possible benefit of continuing a quixotic political campaign.

      5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Republicans (or democrats) want to win, they need to cater towards that 1-2% voting for the libertarian.

        Sidling up to BLM activists is a sure-fire way to do that.

  5. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    Twitter is so valuable that even Steven king won’t pay to use it.

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Very Online and Reason: Obscenity Assange Russians Trump Pai Hawley Musk is going to kill the internet!
      Musk: Please insert more coins to continue.
      Very Online: What a rip off!
      Reason: Does Elon know what he's doing?
      Very Online and Reason: [quietly inserts quarters]

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        Inserts quarters? Did Net Neutrality end? 😉

        1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          It’s neutral evil now.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            So now the avatars are cast in pewter too? 🙂

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      I won't pay to read Steven King. Meh.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

        He's a proggy asshole.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          He can't write an ending to save his life.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago (edited)

            I find it hilarious how getting sober apparently destroyed his ability to wrap up a story in a coherent and logical manner.

            “1963” is a great example of a story with a genuinely interesting concept and conceit that went completely pear-shaped. It was actually pretty ballsy of King, and even showed some level of self-awareness, to write the story up that saving Kennedy actually ended up making the world worse off than him being shot did, because liberal Boomers absolutely IDOLIZE the Kennedys. The problem is that he let the supernatural apocalypticism overtake that relatively simple idea, and the whole thing devolved into an utter mess at the end.

            I don’t think he really understood that the real lesson in that story is that our experiences can either change us for the better or for worse, and that it ultimately comes down to the path that the individual chooses to take on their own recognizance, rather than trying to brute force reality and all of society to conforming to your wishes.

            1. Rockstevo   3 years ago

              He has his moments, there is one dialogue from Insomnia I believe that has stuck with me. The local sheriff is talking about the pro-abortion rally that is happening and the point he made is: they don’t just want you to make abortions legal but they want to force you to agree with them. I see that more and more from the Dems these days…not only should what they want be legal but that you have to agree with them.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                I did enjoy "Misery" when I read it in high school--honestly a terrific psycho thriller of a page-turner.

                He's not a great writer but as you said, he does have his moments where some decent stuff breaks through the dreck. I'll also give him credit for having a good old-fashioned Yankee work ethic; he could have easily just sat around on his ass collecting royalties on everything up to Needful Things.

          2. Pear Satirical   3 years ago

            He can however right a child orgy scene. No I'm not making that up.

            1. perlmonger   3 years ago

              Really, it's hard to beat a scene with a gangbang of 12 year olds.

            2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

              Shrike approves. In fact, he almost certainly has a dog eared copy of ‘It’. With the pages stuck together.

          3. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

            He’s admitted as much.

        2. Overt   3 years ago

          A proggy asshole who has a curious amount of pedophilic themes in his books.

          I judge his books on their merit. I liked a couple- still to this day love Drawing of the Three. But I largely don't care for horror anyways, so I don't read all of what he reads. I could take or leave them.

          But all that said, if he ended up wrapped up in a kiddy porn case sometime in the future, I would not be surprised at all.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...a lot of folks are now insisting that Musk's Twitter has become a haven for racism.

    Racism, of course, being code for anti-vax.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      And code for pretty much anything that contradicts the progressive whine-of-the-day.

      1. Finrod   3 years ago

        Same old Team Blue song and dance.

  7. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "The Biden administration has partially justified its massive new funding for IRS agents by suggesting that it's needed to deal with an increasing amount of tax fraud."

    LOL

    The IRS thing is just a way for Democrats to trick their lowest-info voters into thinking Dems are fundamentally hostile to "the rich." Of course we Koch / Reason #LibertariansForBiden know better. 🙂

    #OBLsFirstLaw

  8. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Police continue to hide bodycam footage and 911 call from media. Dispatch call says Paul Pelosi called the Pelosi assassin a friend on the call.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2022/10/31/release-paul-pelosis-911-call-n1641567

    Also we now have more proof the Pelosi Assassin was a MAGA trump cultist as it comes out he is an illegal immigrant.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      It’s too funny.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Funny? Maybe in the way that finding out some of your colleagues at work are actively falsifying information in order to support a delusional agenda put out by the head of the DEI office (and endorsed by an ESG shareholder group).

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          No, funny in the irony that an open borders advocate is “attacked” by an illegal alien.

          1. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

            SanFran just seems to have these problems:

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kate_Steinle

            Although I think this psycho’s day in court is going to turn out a little different than Zarate’s.

          2. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

            A homeless druggie illegal alien. He's basically the poster boy for CA these days. That's why he has to be right-wing, reality be damned.

            https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/why-the-pelosi-story-matters

    2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

      The media assumptions are the best part of this entire episode. They are killing themselves to make this about Trump somehow.

      1. Anomalous   3 years ago

        When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Ouch!

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        I'm just amazed how much press coverage this as gotten. More than the red suv that killed 13 people. More than the 18 year old ran down for being a maga threat.

        It is amazing how hallowed this story is. How it proves the gop wants to murder all democrats.

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

          With propaganda, it doesn't really matter what the actual facts may be. If facts serve the narrative, that is great. If not, just make them the fuck up. Just comes down to what you can get enough people to believe, even if it's just your own choir [who desperately want to believe].

        2. Overt   3 years ago

          And when they could not pin it on the MAGA heads, you get the articles from Bullwark saying that Republicans weren't acceptably responsive to the issue. Oh no, McCarthy didn't rush to twitter to denounce political violence (even though it is increasingly unclear that this had anything to do with political violence).

          1. Claptrap   3 years ago

            The SF DA said his motivation was fully political. How is that not good enough for you?

            1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

              Hint: People who hate Democrats don't reside completely on the right. Check out who's protesting AOC town halls these days.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            And when they could not pin it on the MAGA heads, you get the articles from Bullwark saying that Republicans weren’t acceptably responsive to the issue

            It's not like anyone other than the Lincoln Project types, who are Democrats at this point anyway, are reading that tripe. Kristol is basically the WNBA of the punditry class at this point, keeping afloat because left-wing sugar daddies find him useful to advance narratives rather than provide actual value for content.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

              “Kristol is the WNBA of the punditry class at this point, kept afloat by left-wing sugar daddies who find him useful to advance narratives”

              I can’t think of a better description of the old neocons than that. You could add Goldberg, Max Boot, David Frum and David French to that list as well.

              Useful tools.

          3. Stuck in California   3 years ago

            I just hit a news aggregator this morning and the list of headlines was all about "Conspiracy theories" and "Debunking the Republican response" to the event.

            Absolutely nothing about how Democrats immediately started blaming Republican rhetoric for the attack. All completely on message, all uniformly blaming the republicans for any political violence.

            It's like a bully and all of his gang beating up some kid, the kid argues back and the school gives the kid a lecture and throws him in detention.

            1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

              The current media companies have to go. America can’t continue to survive them.

      3. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

        Can you blame them for not wanting to talk about Biden?

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Well now you can't talk about Nancy either. Or you support the assassin.

          1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

            DePape needs to stay alive so he can tell his story. Although it wouldn’t surprise me if he suddenly dies in custody.

    3. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      Elderly spinster, Maureen Dowd, had a column Sunday denouncing Trump for being classless for giving condolences to Jerry Lee Lewis's family and ignoring Pelosi.
      What was he supposed to say, "DePape was right"?

    4. NOYB2   3 years ago (edited)

      “DePape might be Paul Pelosi’s gay lover.” — outrageous conspiracy theory!

      “Trump pays Russian prostitutes to pee on him.” — gospel truth!

      Nancy Pelosi has used misinformation, lies, and character assassination for political gain and to attack our democracy for decades; she doesn’t have a leg to stand on complaining about others speculating about her husband.

      (To be sure, I don’t believe that the decrepit, drunk, corrupt husband of Nancy has any sort of interesting social life, let alone the stamina for a younger gay lover.)

      1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

        Politicians are psychopaths. No shame for lying like the rest of us.

        So, why not? The entire mainstream press corps runs cover for you like Soviet era Pravda. There are no repercussions. The whole rest of the party is on message and saying the same thing, almost verbatim.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          The MSM is the enemy of the people.

      2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        Democrats are largely delusional trash. This is why they are democrats. If they had the slight bit of sense, they wouldn’t be democrats.

    5. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      His "journal" will probably prove interesting reading.

      I wonder if it will reflect his depraved druggie nudist activism?

  9. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    How about $8?

    He blinked!

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      Well, Elon has established what King is, now they are just haggling over price.

      1. Overt   3 years ago

        That is clearly the game he is playing.

        1. Stuck in California   3 years ago (edited)

          Why would King care?

          I mean, there are only two reasons for him to be on twitter. Either he wants an outlet for his views on society — and I’d suggest that the dozens of books he has published have given him a far greater ability to infuse his views into his art than almost anyone — or he’s looking for advertising. A place to stay in the minds of readers so they’re there when the next book drops.

          If it’s the former, he isn’t owed shit. And it shouldn’t matter if he’s blue checkered or not. If it’s the latter, then $20 a month as an advertising budget is cheap as chips. How much did book tours cost back in the day when he had to plug his wares by hitting up book stores and signing dust covers?

          1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago (edited)

            Exactly. If King actually leaves over $20/month, it would be a terrible business decision.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              He has said it is the principle of the thing, not the cost. He brings them eyeballs; they should be paying him.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Cite?

          2. Overt   3 years ago

            Right, my point is that Elon is trying to bait King into the game of "We all agreed you are a whore, now we are just haggling price".

          3. Ronbback   3 years ago

            King could write off the payment to twitter as an advertising expense.

          4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            So, Twitter keeps promoting Stephen King tweets to me. Pretty much all his tweets are just a guy commenting on the news and cracking an occasional joke. Never any promotion of his books or anything like that.

            1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

              And does anyone really give a shit what he thinks? Outside of subjects related to his own work?

              1. Ignore me!   3 years ago (edited)

                You could ask that question about nearly all celebrities. It probably just makes people feel their attitudes are more important and authoritative if they’re shared by some random famous person.

  10. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    Emily Oster calls for "a pandemic amnesty."

    Sounds like something a guilty person would say.

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Was Emily Oster among those calling for concentration camps for dissenters last year?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        WE DIDN'T KNOW IN 2021. IT WAS EARLY ON IN THE PANDEMIC.

      2. Minadin   3 years ago

        Her Covid-related articles seem relatively well-reasoned for an outfit like the Atlantic.

        https://www.theatlantic.com/author/emily-oster/

        Sample headlines:

        "The ‘Just Stay Home’ Message Will Backfire" - May 2020
        "Schools Aren’t Super-Spreaders" - October 2020

        1. Claptrap   3 years ago

          She's trying to use the limited cachet she has with long-time mask/lockdown skeptics and those sympathetic to them in order to run cover for friends and colleagues. It's going.... poorly.

          Maybe if the majority of the public health apparatus and especially its March 2020 thought leadership actually admits they were somewhere between mostly and entirely wrong we can start talking about forgiveness. Until then, fuck off.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            You mean the people whose number one goal was defeating Trump, and twisted everything, including the pandemic, in order to do that?

          2. Finrod   3 years ago

            Yep. Libs of TikTok is letting her have it with both barrels.

            https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1587149047634087936

          3. perlmonger   3 years ago

            https://babylonbee.com/news/galactic-empire-requests-amnesty-for-anyone-who-may-have-gotten-carried-away-and-blown-up-a-planet

      3. Overt   3 years ago (edited)

        She was one of the least odious. She tried to steer people away from witch hunts, but when push came to shove, she still supported mask mandates in schools, and suggested that the way to require vaccination was to just make it mandatory for anyone to do things (like travel, enter stadiums, etc). So you won’t be shamed, just a second class citizen.

        And she wants amnesty for “her team”. Because they didn’t know what they didn’t know.

        1) They did know. We had years of evidence against masking and broad lockdowns, and when push came to shove, these people discarded that evidence and cherry picked whatever they could find to justify their authoritarianism.

        2) Even if they didn’t know, they used science to justify incredibly immoral acts. They took away peoples’ freedoms in order to protect others. And if Oster didn’t shame people, she was silent while others (including assholes on this board) justified shaming and exile for people who decline to give up their freedoms to protect others. If you are using science to justify taking rights away from people, you are doing it wrong. You could have all the science in the world saying that people will live long lives if you just chain them to a machine, and it would not be moral to force them to do so.

        3) And this is the key point: These people cannot get a free ride, or this WILL happen again. Unfortunately during a crisis, these authorities get broad powers, and so if they misuse those powers they must be held to account in the most harsh ways. Because the threat that they may be held accountable for needlessly abusing freedom is one of the few brakes that can be applied.

        EDIT: And final point: I am not even talking about Amnesty when these assholes continue to push mandates. "Sorry we were wrong on vaccines. We are gonna keep shoving them down your throats based on the science that we now know was wrong. But forgive us for getting it wrong, mkay? Now where is my needle, dirty anti-vaxxer? You dirty anti-vaxxer! Give me amnesty, you dirty, selfish anti-vaxxer!"

        1. Cronut   3 years ago

          " And final point: I am not even talking about Amnesty when these assholes continue to push mandates."

          ^this.

          It's not just that they didn't know a lot at the beginning so they made mistakes. It's that, 6 months in, they knew PLENTY and continued to push policies they knew were not only ineffective against a virus, but also extremely harmful to individuals. They created a culture of hate and dehumanization, and they REVELED in it. They actively advocated for letting people die. More than that, they CELEBRATED people dying. They mocked people dying.

          It was not a mistake, it was deliberate, and they loved every second of it. And now they want forgiveness without having to admit to what they did, let alone do any penance for it.

          Fuck that. No.

          1. Finrod   3 years ago

            This, all of this.

            War to the knife, knife to the hilt against these pigfuckers.

          2. Overt   3 years ago

            "It was not a mistake, it was deliberate, and they loved every second of it."

            And it was so god damn transparent. Biden went into the election ADAMANT that he did not have the power to mandate vaccinations and that he would not try. And when his polls started tanking due to the Afghanistan debacle, he trots out mandates to distract the public.

            This was so obviously a ploy. He was pushing mandates to divide the populace. Because the last thing he wanted was for Democrats and Republicans and Independents to agree on how badly he was doing in Afghanistan.

            And millions of people saw this happening and lined up to support it. The same people on this site (writers and commenters) who will spend every waking hour trying to find some provincial conservative playing up the Kulture Warz (tm) had nothing to say about this transparently political ruse by the leader of the free world. Oh they might demure. They might say they don't support the mandates, or even weakly protest them. But they had NOTHING to say about how Biden was clearly pushing mandates to divide his citizens against one another.

            1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

              It's still happening, too.

              You should see the disclaimer on my opera tickets about "We STRONGLY encourage masking at all times" with another note that they might reinstate a mandate "for the safety of our performers".

              In the fall of 2022.

              It has become dogmatic. This is what the blatant politicization of health policy has wrought. Which is more proof that the leader of the "free" world and his handlers are sociopaths, bordering on actual evil. Like, what kind of a narcissistic fuckwad do you have to be to put out policies that are that divisive, that long-lasting, with that much of a detrimental effect on the entire nation, just to give a tiny boost to sagging polling numbers?

              1. Overt   3 years ago

                What is worse is that it has become so performative. We wereat the Segerstrom here in Irvine a couple weeks ago, and they still had all the signs up, and warnings about wearing masks. And no one wore them. We noted the same a few months back when we were at LAX. At the airport, Masks were REQUIRED, and maybe 5% of people were wearing them. Even employees weren't wearing them.

                And let us not forget Gov Newsance partying with lobbyists indoors, unmasked, while simultaneously declaring the shutdown of indoor dining and forced masking of kids and staff.

                When you REQUIRE shit "for public health" and then don't enforce those things, it makes it impossible to credibly enforce things in the future. No one has any trust that you are seriously interested in Public Health.

                And this is why it is so important for the "Give us Amnesty" people to not say, "Hey look it was hard", but to actually offer some mea culpas. Because this whole "No Apologies and listen to what we say now, moron" bullshit is still going on.

                1. Stuck in California   3 years ago (edited)

                  Exactly my experience. The French Laundry thing actually got the restaurateurs in my town to just open their doors up. You could easily get a meal or a pint in December ’20 here if you wanted.

                  Though I am not on with spreading the message of the enforcement angle as the proper response to that is “don’t require what’s not required” to retain credibility, but government response would be “enforce harder, even though the rule is nonsensical.” Because modern political mantra is to never admit you were wrong, ever, as it shows weakness.

                  For the politicization, the vaccine mandate is the easiest to isolate for me. Because it was a policy based on the March public understanding of vaccines and what should be expected, which was already breaking down in the spring. Delta was vaccine evasive, it was publicly stated that transmission was possible even by Federal “experts” like the CDC, OG covid was gone by August, and a delta wave was the backdrop of Biden’s mandate.

                  The point of mandating vaccines is herd immunity, right? And the data were showing that it wasn’t possible. The evolution was clear, and delta strains demonstrated powerfully that it wasn’t possible.

                  At that point, there’s no public policy impetus for anything. Not a debate over whether it’s correct or constitutional or anything, literally the goal of full vaccination in society is unattainable, so vaccination only matters for you, personally. Anyone making rational policy would not press a nationwide mandate further. It HAD to be done to demonize political opponents, and for no other reason.

                  Mea culpa in the fall of last year might have been enough for me to forgive, but not now. That proved to me that government response was political and malicious.

                  1. Overt   3 years ago (edited)

                    “Though I am not on with spreading the message of the enforcement angle”

                    Well here is my thing. I think a lot more people would be tarring and feathering politicians if government consistently enforced a fraction of the laws on the books. As a fellow californian, you know that speed limits are a joke. If you are going with traffic, you are generally ok. But if police pulled over the ENTIRE highway (or mailed tickets to everyone on the 405) for driving 75 in the 65 zone, people would very quickly argue for the rollback of that speed limit.

                    The same is true with masking and other nonsense. If the French Laundry had been shut down; If Newsance and his lobbyist cronies had been fined; if assholes at the NY Met Gala had to be as muzzled as the staff serving them; if these assholes and the assholes supporting them had to actually live with the consequences of their laws, there would be a lot fewer of them.

                    And I have brought this up in other threads, but it isn’t just about piddly shit like masks. It is also about basic crime. Antifa runs wild all over cities with wild abandon and Police forces are told to stand down. Numerous people are shot, burgled and beaten. No enforcement of the law. But shoot a man in self defense at one of these “demonstrations” and the DAs come after you.

                    Reason laments that Republicans increasingly see the law as a way to punish their political enemies. Maybe a big reason for that is the fact that the law is increasingly seen as this arbitrary concept that is only enforced when the person in charge thinks it ought to be. Nothing good will come of that.

                    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

                      And I have brought this up in other threads, but it isn’t just about piddly shit like masks. It is also about basic crime. Antifa runs wild all over cities with wild abandon and Police forces are told to stand down. Numerous people are shot, burgled and beaten. No enforcement of the law. But shoot a man in self defense at one of these “demonstrations” and the DAs come after you.

                      Anarcho-tyranny is a blast, no?

                    2. Overt   3 years ago

                      It isn't anarcho-tyranny though, is it?

                      The DAs demonstrated that they would let one class of people run rampant with wild abandon. And when that resulted in the unprotected taking protection in their own hands, DAs came down hard on them. That is the tyranny of an arbitrary and capricious government that persecutes its ideological rivals while looking the other way as brownshirts do the dirty work.

                    3. Stuck in California   3 years ago

                      It's not anarcho-tyranny.

                      What it is is the fundamental problem I always had with laws and rules in general. And goes back to one of the foundational issues with our notion of justice.

                      I'll back up a step. We have a notion that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" yet law is so massive and complex that, before computers, law firms had huge libraries of law books and people to specialize in each section. It is literally impossible for anyone to know all the laws. This we all know.

                      As a kid I realized this and came to the conclusion that law could be strict, but only if they were extremely limited and very reasonable.

                      As an adult, who fears younger generations have not been taught the founding principles of innocent until proven guilty, beyond reasonable doubt, justice (not vengeance), and the government being by, of, and for the people, I think it'll just get worse. But my cynical self believes in the ever tightening ratchet, the fact that more laws get made and old laws don't get revoked, and the fact that anyone with power can and will abuse the law for their own ends. Kids these days won't do shit about it. Hell, Gen X won't do shit about it. The pussification of America has long since happened.

                      I get you Overt. And I can think of plenty of reasons Newsome's crew should be tarred and feathered. But pragmatic me thinks it'll always go toward more enforcement, but never go toward making the laws more reasonable.

          3. HorseConch   3 years ago

            They didn't use science to justify them, they used "science". The actual science never showed benefit to any of the shit they pushed, but they used emotions to twist people into following "the science".

            1. perlmonger   3 years ago

              Same thing with the IPCC stuff re: Climate Change.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          The biggest tell in that article is that she's calling for absolution within a framework of what happened in the first two months of the pandemic, without really conceding that these coercive policies and power-mongering by blue state governors were indulged in for over TWO FUCKING YEARS in some places. Her side called for people who didn't wear their dumb, useless cloth masks (which didn't work 100 years ago, either) and get the Fauci Ouchie to lose their livelihoods and be denied medical care if they happened to have COVID.

          And that's not even getting in to whether the actual death count is even accurate, because the hospitals had a direct financial incentive to count as many COVID deaths as they could justify. So we can't even trust whether the excess death rates were actually caused by getting sick with COVID, or from causes that were exacerbated by public policies that prevented people from getting treatment for other medical issues.

      4. perlmonger   3 years ago

        How many of the people calling for "amnesty" now were calling for "re-education" for Republicans in 2020? We can probably pull those records from Twitter, fortunately...

    2. ThomasD   3 years ago

      I will grant you amnesty for any wrongdoing they actually admit to doing. And it must be specific.

      Otherwise no deal.

      Mealy mouthed "someone did something" or "my intentions were good" can go fuck themselves.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      This sounds like a new variation on the "it's not happening, it's only happening a little, etc." smokescreen bull shit. Now we have "well, maybe it happened but we didn't know any better" and "sorry we killed you for no reason but that was last year, so bygones, right?"

    4. Ignore me!   3 years ago

      Fuck that. The pandemic amnesty idea assumes the Covid cultists acted in good faith for the good of all and were wrong only in a well-intentioned way. It also assumes that given the available information, how the Covid cultists behaved made sense at the time. None of these things were true. They used Covid the same way they use everything else, as a way to divide good thinkers from bad and then justify any amount of government overreach as long as bad thinkers would hate it. And all that no matter the harms to society at large.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Even if verification opens up to any real-name account and not just (very loosely defined) public figures, it seems unlikely that most people will pay—and certainly not $240 a year.

    The entitled demand entitlements.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

      Even nobility have to pay taxes to the king. Maybe start taxing your followers to fund that.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

        If that doesn't work; Only Fans is evidently a good place to turn a quick buck.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

      This is what caught my eye. A 'libertarian' complaining about paying for a good or service in an open market being unfair to the poors.

      Big celebrities, corporations, and officials may be happy to pay, but a lot of lower-level public figures aren't.

      Read lower-level as lower income and you see ENB is just another socialist lefty.

      1. Overt   3 years ago

        Right. Even worse, she is basically parroting the most elitist, anti market nonsense:

        "Where it was once bestowed upon people and (somewhat nonsensically) viewed as a mark of external validation, paying for the privilege would at once take away the perceived prestige and mark folks as thirsty, clout-chasing suckers"

        Get that? The Blue Check's value comes from being "bestowed". ENB sees value in authorities bestowing something- in credentialed prestige- she even acknowledges that the authorities are often non-sensical, and yet she STILL believes the value proposition. And when someone now can get it with money, they are seen as "clout-chasing suckers".

        I don't know of another paragraph that ENB has written that better demonstrates just how elitist she is. I know tons of "clout-chasers" who went after this (often nonsensical) validation from Twitter. They were so proud that some intern in Silicon Valley (often nonsensically) declared them bonafide. But for some reason they aren't suckers? Elitism is exactly this belief that when an Official validates you, it means something, but when markets (crowds of random people) validate you, it means you are a dupe or a scammer.

        Elitism is a poison to markets, because it frequently leads to people declaring (often nonsensically) that free choice is invalid in comparison to what some (often nonsensical) Elite says. And it is the seed of Authoritarianism, which clearly tempts ENB all too often.

        At the least (and I mean least), ENB suggests that maybe Musk is just brainstorming and testing the waters here. So she isn't straight out vilifying him threatening the ivory tower she is squatting in, rent free. But that is about the best we can say. She clearly thinks that if there isn't some Official Office of the Twitteratti to give her a gold star, or blue check, that will mean getting validation from the unwashed masses. And we can't have that, can we?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Get that? The Blue Check’s value comes from being “bestowed”. ENB sees value in authorities bestowing something- in credentialed prestige- she even acknowledges that the authorities are often non-sensical, and yet she STILL believes the value proposition. And when someone now can get it with money, they are seen as “clout-chasing suckers”.

          Reminds me of that line from "The Big Short"--"You try to come off as cynical people, but you still believe in the system."

  12. JesseAz   3 years ago

    The Republican National Committee has filed a lawsuit against the city of Flint, Michigan, for failing to hire an equal number of poll workers from each of the two major political parties in preparation for the midterm elections.
    .
    Michigan law requires election officials appoint an equal number “of election inspectors in each election precinct from each major political party.” Despite a demand letter from the RNC, Flint has failed to comply with state statutes. Roughly only 120 of the 680 election inspectors hired in Flint for the 2022 midterms are Republican, the newly filed lawsuit alleges. While Flint recently told the RNC it hired 50 more Republican-affiliated poll watchers, it refused to further ensure equal party representation among election workers.

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/31/rnc-sues-flint-michigan-for-stacking-polls-with-democrat-workers-ahead-of-key-midterm-election/

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      We must have equal fortification opportunities!

    2. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

      It will be thrown out on standing because nobody was harmed. After the ballot stuffing puts another Dem in office, any challange will be tossed as moot because the election is over. Lather, rinse, repeat.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Time to fuck with their water system again.

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        The Michigan SOS actually lost a similar case so maybe the judiciary is going to be a bit wiser this time around.

        https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/republicans-win-major-election-integrity-ruling-against-michigan-secretary

      3. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        If elections and the courts fail us, more will be required. Which should be the last thing any democrat wants. As this will likely cause things to end very fucking badly for them.

    3. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

      Flint's a lost cause. I doubt there are that many Repubs there.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        It isnt the number of real voters but manufactured votes.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Yeah, we’ve got a pretty tight governor’s race.

  13. JesseAz   3 years ago

    There has been an overwhelming number of campaign ads this season with "Republican voters" saying why they will vote Democrat this year. Most of them have been shown to be registered democrat or giving tens of thousands to democrats in the past. This includes Fettermans parents. If you lie about the small things what won't you lie about.

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/28/john-fettermans-trump-voting-republican-parents-are-card-carrying-democrats/

    1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      There's one here in Ohio with a "lifelong Republican" letting us know that "JD Vance flipped on Trump! What else will he flip on?!" The implication being that this lifelong Republican voter is going to... flip... and vote Democrat.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

      Haven't heard that, have heard a lot of Zeldin supporters are Dems.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        All of the people in the Katie Hobbs ads here have given thousands to democrats over the last 10 years.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          I like the one with the old rancher is going to vote for mark Kelly. As if.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Can't wait for him to lose. Just a creepy annoying fuck. Worldview was a shit show but he made his millions. Hydrogen balloons near a missile factory. Great idea.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      How many of these 2022 "Republicans" are Democrats who switched parties in order to support the most MAGA candidates in the primary--as Democratic activists told them to do?

    4. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      We’re getting hammered here in Illinois by ads touting “women’s rights” by people who can’t even define what a woman is.

    5. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      This is what ABC's Nightline used to do, every election they'd dig up some "Life Long Republican" who says the party is too extremist and they're voting dem. They stopped doing it when the internet came along and people could fact check for themselves.

  14. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "The Bulwark on Republicans' disappointing response to the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband."

    The Bulwark is so great.

    What a disastrous blunder for the GOP to push out its leading intellectuals like Bill Kristol. Oh well! Republicans' loss is Democrats' gain.

    #LibertariansForEmbracingNeocons

    1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      The Bulwark is definitely the 'reptilians/Jewish space cabal are running Trump & Putin' branch of 'conservatism.' Smart, brave, and dedicated, like so many other great folks who totally don't flip-flop on issues or pump out clickbait. I can see why greenhut likes them.

  15. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Musk is limiting Twitter use of censorship tools on the platform as a number of baffling suspensions targeting Republicans have occurred in the last week.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/twitter-limits-content-enforcement-tools-as-us-election-looms

    1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      I enjoyed his '10 people managing for every 1 coding' comment. This bloat of useless administrators and excess 'support' staff is endemic, most obvious in government and its bureaucracies, but also in non-profits, NGOs, the education industry. I suspect that the glut of pointless degrees has much to do with it.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        My company employs a 15 direct employee to manager rule. Even at the VP level. Reduces overhead and needless layers. Although we still have a lot of useless overhead such as HR.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Reminder: Hate speech is free speech.

    The fluid definition of hate speech is often priceless.

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      Hate Speech has two unchanging components:
      Things that make democrats look bad.
      Thing democrats don't like.

      (for the record; true or not does not enter the equation)

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

      To be a bit fair to LeBron, he didn’t mention the First Amendment or make an argument that the First Amendment doesn’t protect hate speech.

      The context was what the rules about speech should be on Twitter, a private company that can make its own rules about what speech it allows. And, by the way, operates internationally and so has to deal with the speech laws of several different nations.

      Disclaimer (because I know what I just said will get twisted): I’m all for protecting hate speech at the government level. I’m also all for a private company (or a private family sitting at their dinner table) to limit hate speech on their own private property. Or not, if they do choose.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        You said nothing.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

        LeBron has posted both anti jew and anti white posts on his accounts. He is the last person who should be talking.

        I also note you continue to ignore the government collusion with these companies.

      3. MT-Man   3 years ago

        What is hate speech?

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

          For purposes of my statement, “I’m all for protecting hate speech at the government level”, I probably should have used, “hateful speech”. Speech that has hateful words or meaning.

          As for what LeBron meant by “hate speech”, you’d have to ask him. Also, seeing discussion elsewhere in this comments section, what he meant my “unfit”.

          I am not going to get sucked into a pointless discussion about what the left means by “hate speech” like the pointless discussion where commenters here kept telling chemjeff that “anti-racist” could only mean what the left means when they use the term, and couldn’t have its plain meaning anymore. I know that the left likes to have their own definition of words and phrases, but I don’t agree that that cancels out other, non-leftist’s use of the traditional plain meaning of those words and phrases.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            What an odd time to randomly defend Lying Jeffy.

      4. R Mac   3 years ago

        If you feel the need to put disclaimers after so many of your posts it seems some introspection may be in order.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      I thought it was "Free speech is hate speech".

    4. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      This take is as common, and is an actual individual rights issue, versus Camp's silly article about Alito. Yes, Justice Alito could, and likely should have clarified. But Holmes did, and lefties and too many righties still think the argument is a good one. As for hate speech, lebron james is an idiot, period. His take on any issue other than unimportant shit like his personal life, or basketball can be ignored, except for the fact that fucktards listen to him.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The Biden administration has partially justified its massive new funding for IRS agents by suggesting that it's needed to deal with an increasing amount of tax fraud. But a new IRS report suggests this increase does not exist.

    Look, they have a plan. Okay?

    1. Overt   3 years ago (edited)

      Hah, after 2 seasons you aren’t fooling me, BSG.

      THERE.
      WAS.
      NO.
      PLAN.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        STARBUCK WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ANGEL OR WHATEVER.

  18. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "J.D. Vance's Senate race isn't going quite as expected."

    If Vance "wins" I'll claim RUSSIA HACKED THE (MIDTERM) ELECTION and / or JIM CROW 2.0.

    #ElectionsAreOnlyLegitimateWhenDemocratsWin

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      "Democracy" for me but not for thee. Especially if thee contradicts thy betters.

    2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Yeah, I believe it was Tim Ryan who recently said, "the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged."

  19. JesseAz   3 years ago

    The Atlantic calls for a covid amnesty where we forget how for 3 years they pushed lockdowns, vaccines, censored people, tried to get people to lose their jobs, asked hospitals to not treat the unvaxxd, etc. Just call it even and move on.

    Not even a sorry, our bad.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      If it saves just one journalist.

    2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

      They are about to get killed in the midterms and will lose the WH in 2024. They are hoping there will be no investigations about what drove them to try to exile 50% of the country.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

        What are you referring to? Nobody has tried to “exile 50% of the country.”

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          LOL

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          OK, exile-in-place, with loss of speech, jobs, bank accounts, etc.

          Much more civilized, right?

          1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

            ^ exactly this. Fuckers were talking about mandates for not selling groceries to the UV'd. Hints of genocide were obvious to everyone.

            Mike L- You are truly a disingenuous prick. You know goddamn well what was happening in the media and the political left during the scamdemic.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

              So, setting aside all exaggeration, we are _actually_ taking about extreme statements by extreme members of the left? Not talking about anyone literally trying to “exile 50% of the country.”

              And so the way to combat that is to get really extremely right? Maybe not just extreme words, but hey actions, too?

              You know what, one can find examples of far left and far right extremists taking all kinds of extreme shit.

              It’s part of the dumbass Red vs Blue Team games they are playing while normal people like me just want some adults-in-the-room, competent governance.

              1. MT-Man   3 years ago

                Mike this might be a good hill not to die on and stay silent.

                1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                  Why? Idaho Bob made a wildly exaggerated partisan statement. I called him out on the exaggeration.

              2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago (edited)

                By extreme left, you mean Biden? “We’ve been patient, but our patience is wearing thin. And your refusal has cost all of us.”

                Or this Biden? “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.”

                Again – You are truly a disingenuous prick. You know goddamn well what was happening in the media and the political left during the scamdemic.

                Edited – If you and your kind want to avoid “hey actions, too”, don’t threaten people, their children, or their livelihoods.

                1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

                  I haven’t threatened anyone with anything.

                  I don’t support Biden so I have no need to defend his rhetoric. It was rhetoric, though, and nobody has even come close to literally trying to exile 50% of the country.

                  It’s deliberate rhetorical hyperbole on your part to push a victimhood narrative that justified whatever violence you are fantasizing about perpetrating. You’ve talked about your fantasies of violence here in the comments.

                  I am a libertarian.

                  1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                    No grasshopper, you are not.

                  2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

                    You are a disingenuous prick. Gaslighting is your only business.

                    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                      It is “gaslighting” to take the quite factual position that nobody has tried to “exile 50% of the country.”

                      I’m the disingenuous one. Sure.

        3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          If you're going to lie to us Mike, don't make it so baldfaced.

    3. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

      The absolute, unmitigated nerve and gall of these motherfuckers. Now that the chickens are finally about to come hone to roost one week from now for everything these bastards have done these last three years, they want us all to just forget the whole thing ever happened.

      No, you go fuck yourselves. We don't forgive you! And by the way that also includes all the Welchie Boys, Woppos. lipstick lesbians, and Mingo-Mango-Mangos at Reason who went along with this bullshit early on and who also clearly want us to forget that ever happened.

      This is war, and in one week you're finally going to get what you so richly deserve. And very soon your scumbag hero Fauci is going to answer for all of his lies and crimes, even if we have to literally drag him in there to make it happen.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Yup. Like your doctor asking forgiveness for amputating your legs. He thought you might have had gangrene, since he heard about how bad gangrene can be, and you had some dark spots, and he was kinda busy reading about gangrene, and the county board of health was worried about spread, what with all these people literally walking around.

      2. Overt   3 years ago

        And again, they are still pushing this bullshit. You can't tell me to forgive "your side" for cramming lockdowns, masks and needles down the nation's throat while they are still cramming masks and needles down the nation's throat.

      3. R Mac   3 years ago

        Re Fauci facing any actual consequences, unfortunately all the congress can do is make referrals to the DOJ.

        If they want to actually accomplish anything, they need to impeach Garland first and foremost.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    It was the talk of Republican candidates over Halloween weekend: A rumor that their trick-or-treating kids might get candy-colored fentanyl from strangers.

    What do you want them to do? Scare voters with the specter of more Dem COVID lockdowns?

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Second-Tier Republican #1: The cartels are making fentanyl that looks like candy.
      Third-Tier Republican #2: Check your kids candy before they eat it and stay safe this Halloween.
      Sen. Chuck Schumer: 'They'll put the fentanyl in your kids' hands and won't tell them it's candy but that it will make them feel good. And it looks like candy so the kids are far more likely to eat it.'

      DIVIDUD INFORMASHUN YOUNIVERSE! BOAF SIDEZ! I"M DAVE WEIGEL AND I"M RELEVANT!

    2. perlmonger   3 years ago

      In order to keep kids safe from this specter, (hah!) I stayed up late last night on Halloween doing a lot of drugs. To make sure they didn't accidentally end up in some innocent child's hand, you understand. 😉

      1. VinniUSMC   3 years ago

        Of course, by that, you mean you ate all of your kids' candy. The best place to find expensive drugs.

        1. perlmonger   3 years ago

          And then I died of a rainbow fentanyl overdose. It was really embarrassing.

          ...

          I got bettah!

  21. JesseAz   3 years ago

    He shared a conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.

    The conspiracy in the link is claiming Pelosi was drunk. This is from multiple news sources and is derived from comments from dispatch and initial reports saying Pelosi was out of it. How is it a conspiracy theory?

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Maya May
      @mayaonstage
      ·
      Follow
      There is a tiny possibility Elon Musk is trying to distract us from the fact we have 9 days to save democracy.

      This is misinformation.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        There is also a tiny possibility that musk is from another planet.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          And a tiny possibility that May is NOT a lying, hyperbolic, partisan cunt.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Let’s not get carried away.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

        I read that as ridicule of those claiming Twitter = democracy, but I don't know who Maya is. If she is serious that is hilarious.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Calling it a Conspiracy Theory pretty much confirms that it's true.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Agreed.

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Verification was originally designed to deal with the problem of people impersonating public figures like politicians and celebrities. It still serves that purpose, but it has also become much more—a status symbol in the minds of some, and a driver of online resentment. A signaling mechanism. A shorthand for a hated class ("blue check Twitter").

      You'll be fine ENB.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        But how is she gonna come up with another $15 a month? Sandwiches?

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Hope she doxxes you.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Is that a sex thing?

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Only on Only Fans.

        2. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          Just skip two mornings at Starbuck.

      2. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        If they were just verifications then why were they denied to people or withdrawn later? Due to actions like that they became symbols of legitimacy and political weapons for the idiocracy class.

        1. perlmonger   3 years ago

          Yeah. People don't stop being themselves just because they said something unpopular. So it's clearly about "being popular", and status.

    4. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Perhaps Musk's explanation will eventually make sense, but at present this proposal seems silly. More verified accounts means less ability for bots and trolls to impersonate people. But charging for verification is only going to lead to fewer verified accounts and more ability for bots and trolls to wreak havoc.

      Not everybody is a complete moron ENB. So much work determining who you can trust now. Sorry for your harm.

      1. Illocust   3 years ago

        Seems like it will result in less impersonations, because people who have a problem with it, will pay for the verification, as opposed to Twitter using the status as a punishment/reward mechanism.

    5. JesseAz   3 years ago

      The whole episode suggests, at worst, that Musk has no idea what he's doing—that he's rushing to make changes without research or really thinking through the implications. That he's simply throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.

      Hmm. Business lessons from ENB or Musk. That's a tough one.

      Build your own Twitter.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Who would you rather pay for a BJ?

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Oof. Rather not play the game.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Okay, which one would you be boastful that you got a BJ from them?

            1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

              Cornered.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                This isn't fun anymore!

            2. perlmonger   3 years ago

              Musk, obviously. I presume they'd be of significantly rarer vintage than ENBJs.

    6. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      How is it a conspiracy theory?

      Look, anything they dont like is a conspiracy theory.

      Which may be in and of itself a conspiracy theory but there you go.

      1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

        This is spot on. Conspiracy theory is as common an denouncement as racist, fascist, 'denier' for certain folks. It doesn't need to be true, the accusation is the proof of guilt for a large portion of that in-group.

    7. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      It makes the Pelosis look bad?

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago (edited)

        Bingo. Nancy actually thinks she is the Queen of the US. How dare us peasants question her narrative.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A federal judge denied a bid to shut down efforts by a group that has been surveilling drop boxes in Maricopa County...

    Is it me? Am I the only one find these triple negative headlines unnecessarily worded?

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      Look, "journalism" classes can either teach proper English, or how to do propaganda.
      They have to choose.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

        It is valid English. Just count the number of negations — if it comes out to an even number, you have a negated negation. We’re not friggin’ Spanish speakers here.

        If they had said “A federal judge upheld the right to surveil drop boxes” it would have lost part of the story of what happened, namely that someone made a bid to shut down the surveillance.

        1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

          It is valid English

          Valid does not mean good.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Why does Mike always sound like the kid in high school that got his books dumped?

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              He is the annoying kid in the front row the teacher refuses to call on because he tries to answer every question but is always wrong.

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                Mike Liarson is a squawking bird named Dee and should be treated as such.

    2. perlmonger   3 years ago

      They do feel that way, but it makes sense because it's describing a specific legal proceeding.

      Group A filed a lawsuit trying to shut down surveillance by Group B. Group B responded in court, and the judge denied Group A's effort.

      If the headline just said "Judge allows group to continue surveillance"... well, OK, I guess that might actually be enough of a lede for a headline. I dunno. The "Judge allows" formulation feels like it was the government trying to stop them, and not some third party.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    One of the oldest moral panics in the book is back.

    Does Gen Z float?

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      we all float down here.

      1. Aloysious   3 years ago

        King clowning himself today makes that comment even more amusing.

  24. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Emily Oster calls for "a pandemic amnesty."

    LOOK, BOTH SIDES HAVE THINGS TO APOLOGIZE FOR.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

      The right wing’s main move was an “own goal” of refusing vaccination, leading to several aged and infirm right-wingers dying miserably. Brilliance.

      So, come to think of it, right-wing anti-vaxxers do owe their own side an apology for promoting internal idiocy.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Only “right wingers” died. You heard it here first!

      2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        yeah that's not what happened.

      3. JesseAz   3 years ago

        This is one of the more idiotic of mikes recent takes.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Just a replay. Like watching a mediocre episode of a re-run shitty series.

      4. rbike   3 years ago

        So you are fully vaccinated and up to date boosted? Just curious. I'll frey admit I have no boosters and am not satisfied with my double vaccination outcomes.

        1. Claptrap   3 years ago

          Listen, nobody could have expected the vaccines would only work for 3 months. We didn't have time to test it what with moving AT THE SPEED OF SCIENCE and all.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Mike was actually defending the 80% increase of myocarditis in kids yesterday saying it wasn't a big deal, it protected them. From a virus that was not a risk to kids. Think his statement was doctors can treat myocarditis fine, for the kids they find it in. And even then studies show myocarditis greatly increases risk of heart attacks later on life.

            Mike is a piece of shit.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              "If thEy caTcH thE myoCArdiTIS n0w, theY won't hAve to WoRry aboUT it wHen tHEy're olDeR"

              1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

                That they won't get older is perfectly in line with the pro-abortionist view of children.

          2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

            Traditionally, libertarians and conservatives have shared a critique of the Federal government that it is often too slow in approving new medicines.

            Suddenly, the right wing did a 180 and started spreading around this meme that the vaccines were approved too quickly. The motivation behind the 180: lefties are pro-vaccine, so we have to be anti-vaccine! The usual Red vs Blue Team partisan stupidity.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

              “started spreading around this meme that the vaccines were approved too quickly”

              They released experimental technology with two months animal testing and no long-term human trail, and made it mandatory for much of humanity. Mike says that this is a “right-wing meme”.

            2. Claptrap   3 years ago

              I have no problem with the approval. It's the policy innovations which followed it that were idiotic, especially in light of how ineffective the initial series rather quickly proved to be.

            3. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

              Again, this is disingenuous. The complaint isn't that the drug was rushed to market for people who wanted it, the complaint is the pressure to take a drug for people who were skeptical. It doesn't help that the drug companies were given complete shields from any liability for bad outcomes as a result of the drug, and that government was forcing government employees to get the drug. Also that government was siding with employers who were forcing people to take the drug as a condition of employment, or a condition for being in court.

              People should be allowed to take experimental drugs. The drug manufacturer shouldn't be allowed to ally with government to force people into taking an experimental drug. They shouldn't be forcing experimental drugs onto children who have almost zero risk.

              Additionally, they shouldn't lie after it's become clear that the vaccine doesn't prevent the spread of the disease. After there's evidence that the vaccine isn't as effective as advertised, they can't continue lying about how effective their vaccine is. That's where the problem with the drug company comes in, not with quickly getting it to market.

              But you're likely to reply and pretend you don't understand this, or you'll reply again tomorrow or next week as if this has never been pointed out to you.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                After there’s evidence that the vaccine isn’t as effective as advertised, they can’t continue lying about how effective their vaccine is.

                The vaccine is plenty effective. You can see this in countries like New Zealand and Japan where they locked down tight and as a result people didn't get infected until after they had been vaccinated. Compare their death rates to places like here where people were exposed before being vaccinated. The numbers don't lie.
                Yet people still claim that the vaccine doesn't work at all because it doesn't work the same way as traditional ones.

                1. MT-Man   3 years ago

                  are we talking same strains death rate or is not accounted for. Just one of many things that needs to be parsed out before making that claim.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    https://maximumtruth.substack.com/

                    It's buried in there somewhere. The guy counted excess deaths, instead of what countries reported. Because, well, countries aren't that honest. Some nations, especially island ones, were able to keep the virus out until most people had been vaccinated. They experienced much fewer excess deaths among old people compared to places like here where the virus passed through the population before most people had been vaccinated. It's not a moral judgement or anything. Just numbers.

                    1. R Mac   3 years ago

                      “The guy counted excess deaths”

                      Did he account for deaths caused by shutdowns and lack of other medical care?

                    2. Overt   3 years ago

                      This doesn't answer MT-Man's question.

                      1) When countries like New Zealand finally got the wu flu, it was after the virus had gone through multiple versions. And the new variants are less lethal than the older ones.

                      2) It is also important to correct for obesity, and other health indicators, because we know that those heavily impact COVID outcomes. New Zealand and Japan have far more healthy people than here in the States. And that will impact things.

                      This is not to say that the vaccine was useless, or that the conclusions of your article are wrong. I think it is a good idea for people to make up their own minds about this shit. But it is getting very tiresome to see bad science trotted out as the definitive word on the matter when we have seen for the past 2 years how fallible those studies can be.

                    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Read it yourself. I think he makes a really compelling argument. Unfortunately the argument and facts don't support certain political viewpoints, so if that stuff offends you don't read it.

                    4. R Mac   3 years ago

                      Here’s Overt and myself making very specific, scientific points about the subject, and sarc’s response is bring up political narratives. Sad.

                    5. Overt   3 years ago

                      "Unfortunately the argument and facts don’t support certain political viewpoints, so if that stuff offends you don’t read it."

                      Unfortunately since it does support certain political points, a lot of people (not you specifically, just people generally, I am sure) seem to accept it uncritically. Strange, that.

                      Since you are unwilling to provide a specific citation to support your claims, I picked an article at random to see the quality of his analysis. Let's note that his ultimate conclusion in this article is one that I share (the cost-benefit analysis seems to show that Sweden paid a small cost in life-days for the enormous benefit of staying open). Nevertheless, the article is quite bad, and leaves me disinclined to spend more time on his articles. And it indicates to me that maybe you are projecting again.

                      https://maximumtruth.substack.com/p/sweden-and-covid-unraveling-the-mystery

                      That article is full of statistical malpractice. For example, in section three he argues that comparing Sweden to Non-Nordic Europe is not valid because of "Culture Differences".

                      This is a hypothesis that he DOES NOT PROVE. He picks select data that shows differences between some (but not all) other EU countries. But he never shows these differences affect cases or deaths- just asserts it. For example, "Fewer young adults live at home with their parents." Is this really a driver of cases? We don't know.

                      Even further, the data he chooses doesn't seem to universally show what he claims it does:
                      1) He uses a survey asking how many trust "Other people" and just assumes that is a proxy for trust in the government. (Hint: Many people trust the government more BECAUSE they don't trust others) And consider how in-apt this statistic is. The whole purpose of this analysis is to determine if one government policy is better than others, and yet he assumes that trust in government just automatically makes case counts go down.

                      2) He declares that Nordic countries "tend to be wealthier". But his histogram shows that the differences between Sweden and Norway are actually greater than differences between Sweden and (say) Germany. This would tend to undermine his argument, but somehow it continues.

                      The cherry picking and assuming the conclusion going on here reaches new heights when he specifically contemplates the fact that Sweden has a larger immigrant population (Culture!) and higher population density, and just kind of waves them away.

                      I'm no big fan of people with credentials, and I have no problem with a dude setting up a substack to crunch numbers on their own. But, well, he doesn't do a very good job and so claiming that this rando has some sort of handle on The Truth (tm) is just misplaced.

                      But ymmv.

                2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                  The vaccine is plenty effective. You can see this in countries like New Zealand and Japan where they locked down tight and as a result people didn’t get infected until after they had been vaccinated.

                  You're really citing two island nations with restrictive entry requirements as proof the vaccines worked?

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    To be fair. Sarc was fine with covid internment camps. Just don't call them concentration camps.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      One of these days you're going to slip up and say something truthful. I won't hold my breath though.

                    2. R Mac   3 years ago (edited)

                      Were there concentration camps in Australia, sarc?

                  2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    https://maximumtruth.substack.com/p/the-covid-fudge-factor

                    Give it a read for yourself. I'm not making a moral judgement here. It's just numbers.

                  3. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

                    "They didn't get infected until after they were vaccinated" is just a hilarious own-goal.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      If you knew how the vaccine worked you wouldn't find that to be funny. Not only that, but I believe your ignorance is an act of deliberate virtue signaling to your political tribe.

              2. Overt   3 years ago

                "Also that government was siding with employers who were forcing people to take the drug as a condition of employment, or a condition for being in court."

                And by the way, we have now seen COUNTLESS examples of the government strong-arming social media companies to censor- especially when it comes to COVID information.

                Is there any doubt that the government wasn't doing EXACTLY the same thing to big corporations in order to get them to require vaccination? Any doubt at all?

                But to Mike- who was right there along side the government bitching and moaning about any skepticism of the vaccines- the real problem was the skeptical people. How dare they want to be persuaded by the people who had been getting everything wrong from the beginning of the pandemic.

                1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

                  Much of this wasn't even hidden -- such as government mandates for independent contractors who worked with government.

            4. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              Not sure which is funnier. The irony, or that they just don't get it.

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                He says un-ironically as he clearly doesn’t get it.

            5. JesseAz   3 years ago

              It was the mandates by proxy with threat of losing their jobs and other things you retarded fuck. They always said to leave it to consumer choice.

              What a dishonest piece of shit.

      5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        It was their choice.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          "I'm going to virtue-signal to my team by not getting vaccinated. What do you mean I'm dying?"

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            Not just dying. Dying a miserable, lonely death on a respirator, with no family allowed to visit. All for a stupid partisan culture war.

            1. Overt   3 years ago

              A partisan culture war that Mike happily stokes.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                This.

        2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Sure. And it was a stupid choice.

          1. Overt   3 years ago (edited)

            And they have to live with the responsibility.

            Will you ever take responsibility for insisting that the vaccine would stop the variants? How about when you insisted it would stop transmission? How about when you insisted that being unvaccinated was a violation of the NAP?

            I would love for you to one day take responsibility for the part YOU took in creating this divide. Saying “Ooops, we were wrong” would have done much to diffuse things, and restore some credibility. But no. It is always the fault of the people who watched you get it wrong over and over and over (all while scolding them). How dare they not believe you this time.

          2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

            Yes, but they have no one to apologize for. That's what this discussion is about, who did what to who?

            At the point of a government weapon, small businesses were shuttered. Children we kept indoors - the absolute worst place anyone could be held during a respiratory virus outbreak. If you're equating the choice not to get vaccinated to using every state and social pressure to foist questionable policies on communities, then I'm not sure where this discussion can go.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              “That’s what this discussion is about”

              True. I went off on a tangent.

          3. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

            Not for me. Twice infected, twice I survived no worse for wear despite no vax.

            Piss up a rope.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

              You do acknowledge, though, that it didn’t turn out so well for others. Right?

              1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                Fight anecdotes with anecdotes.

      6. Claptrap   3 years ago

        Several! Oh, my pearls!

        Considering the rates of vaccine uptake by age, the IFR, causality concerns, and the political leanings of the populatios in question, "several" is definitely the best you've got. Anecdote, data, something, something.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Day after day, I read about Republican culture warriors in my red state dying miserable, lonely deaths on respirators.

          But, hey, let’s be dismissive about how horrible that was! It was only “several”.

          1. Overt   3 years ago

            Well Mike has proven himself constantly wrong, and even willing to lie about what he reads, but we should TOTALLY believe that he is reading that shit now. If we don't, it's because we are partisan. It has nothing to do with his actions at all. Nothing.

          2. Claptrap   3 years ago

            Anecdote, data, something, something. Christ, it's like you've no experience with how the press functions on a day to day basis.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

              The press? This wasn’t just the press. This was talking to neighbors who work as nurses. This was our local hospital newsletter imploring people to please just get f’ing vaccinated so you won’t die on a ventilator.

              1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                The nurses asked about political affiliations of the patients?

              2. Claptrap   3 years ago

                Day after day, I read [note: I understood this as present tense due to its immediately following "Day after day" - you should clean up your writing if that wasn't intended] about Republican culture warriors in my red state dying miserable, lonely deaths on respirators.

                F/U: The press? This wasn’t just the press.

                Apparently I should have added, "or social media" to my response - or a warning about the propensity for rumor and groupthink in closed settings like hospitals.

                1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                  Nothing wrong with my writing. Sorry, you cannot lay the blame for the ambiguity of English at my feet.

          3. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Respirators were in blue states. Hospitals with no visiting were primarily in blue states, especially 6 months in.

            Who the fuck do you think you're tricking?

      7. Finrod   3 years ago

        Personally, I sleep well at night knowing my enemies are all "vaccinated".

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

          Your fellow Americans are your enemies? Not just fellow citizens whom you disagree with?

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            The ones you shunned for 2 years?

          2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Several people on this board would cheerfully murder their neighbors over politics if they thought they could get away with it. That's where partisanship has gotten us.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              We’re going to dox and swat you sarc!

            2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

              And telling everyone how they are the true victims the entire time they are slitting the other guy’s throat. All the most atrocious human behavior is always accompanied by a victimhood narrative.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                Conservatives sure are a persecuted lot. The entire world is against them.

                1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                  Do you have any mirrors in your house?

                2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                  I mean they couldn’t possibly, in an adult, calm manner lay out counterarguments to things like higher taxes, government spending, minimum wage laws, lax immigration enforcement, promoting gender politics in schools, etc. They couldn’t possibly calmly present a plan to, say, fix the healthcare system.

                  No, the only way is childish behavior and anger.

      8. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Florida had more post-vaccine deaths among old people than New York for that very reason.

        1. Overt   3 years ago

          Imma ask you for a cite there. I wouldn't be surprised if you are right. But I would like to see proof that the reason Florida was higher was vaccination rates.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            It's in here somewhere. I'm not looking through it again.

            https://maximumtruth.substack.com/

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Would you accept that as a cite?

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                The facts he uses don't support your politics, so there's nothing for you to read.

            2. Overt   3 years ago

              "Imma make a bold statement, assert it as fact, and bail when asked to back it up."

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                I gave you a link. Read the Covid "fudge factor." If you don't like his facts, take it up with him. Being that his facts don't support your political narrative, I don't think you will like them. You're free to find ones you like. Try FOX News.

                1. Overt   3 years ago

                  You gave me a link to a site with dozens of articles. You might as well have told me to google it.

                  "Being that his facts don’t support your political narrative"

                  Hey Sarc, what's with the personal attacks? Here you are deigning to tell me what my political narrative is regarding vaccines.

                  Just so you understand, what comes next is a comment on your behavior, not a personal attack. This is a perfect example of your "say it and bail" behavior.

                  You state something provocative, and refuse to stand behind it (cite your work). When I call you on it, you act like the victim- I should be willing to mine through hours of reading; or I am clearly too biased to understand you. Or, as you do other times, people are just misunderstanding your "general" statements or "humor".

      9. Overt   3 years ago

        "right-wing anti-vaxxers do owe their own side an apology"

        And here we see why no one will ever buy this "amnesty" stuff. Because smug folks like Mike will continue to gaslight and pretend that they weren't wrong, wrong, wrong for YEARS. And despite repeatedly spouting shit that turned out to be wrong, Mike wants to hold others accountable for him not being believed. Uh huh.

        Let's remember that as recently as February 2022, Mike was declaring that "The plan to stop all these variants was to get most people vaccinated."

        https://reason.com/2022/02/02/can-the-medical-innovations-used-to-fight-covid-19-finally-defeat-hiv/?comments=true#comment-9336124

        That's just one of the more recent versions of him declaring that Vaccines could stop the variants. Before that he was insisting it would stop transmission. And before that he was insisting it would stop infection. Time and again, he and his cronies pompously declared shit that was proven untrue.

        And does he have an ounce of humility? A tiny bit of contrition? Of course not. No, it certainly isn't MIKE'S fault that people are skeptical of him after being wrong again and again and again. No, it must be because they are right-wingers. After all, only right-wingers would be skeptical of a person who pompously scolds and bitches at people for inaccurate reasons.

        If there was a primary cause of people being skeptical of vaccines, Mike demonstrates it right there. It was the obvious mendacity of Mike and all his like who spouted off shit they didn't know about, repeated it after it was pretty clear they were wrong, and then boldly moved on to spouting new shit they knew nothing about weeks later.

        He is the one who should be asking for amnesty, and this beautiful example is going in my archives for next time he claims to be above it all.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          At least he was right about fire extinguisher murders on 1/6, and Kyle Rittenhouse.

        2. Stuck in California   3 years ago

          Wait, did that grey bar actually imply that the anti-vaxxers are right wing?

          Like Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsome, and all kinds of Democrats who were adamantly anti vax before the election? Or is that the obvious trolls and 50 centers let loose on the internet by various bot farms ranging from the Russians (really, they do put out disinformation, mostly to try and stir up divisiveness) to the chinese, to noted "right wingers" like Robert F Kennedy?

          Most people I know are pragmatic. Vax is great, helped prime old people's immunity. Might not be worth it if you had the 'rona recently, or aren't at any real risk in the first place, so who cares? Take it or don't. Doesn't affect me. It only becomes a battle when mandates and vaccine passports come into play. Some people are extreme. But the real world is VERY different than the online world, which has been heavily manipulated by the various troll farms.

          Anyone on the extreme is a shock jock, a troll, or has a political point to push. Anyone claiming only a certain type of person is anti-vaxx is deluded, gaslighting, or likely both.

      10. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

        “leading to several aged and infirm right-wingers dying miserably.”

        Like who?

        I remember you gloating last year about Herman Cain dying of covid, when in actual fact he had stage 4 colon cancer which had metastasized to his liver.

        I’m willing to bet all your other examples are similar.

      11. Overt   3 years ago

        "So, come to think of it, right-wing anti-vaxxers do owe their own side an apology for promoting internal idiocy."

        Now let's all note that Mike is the first to demand that people "promoting...idiocy" be scorned and held to account. He will wax poetic about how important it is for Donald Trump to be held to account for his part in "inciting" the Jan 6 riot. But Mike will take zero accountability for his part in whipping half the country up into crazy authoritarians.

        https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated

        There's Rassmussen's poll showing that strong majorities of Democrats were willing to see un-vaccinated confined to their homes and fined. Those people didn't get that way naturally. They got that way because of the consistent and pervasive campaign by Mike and all his lot who- despite being constantly wrong about the vaccines and the virus- constantly demonized skeptics as selfish partisans.

        A year after he started treating skeptics like shit because they didn't believe the Vaccine prevented infection (it doesn't); A year after ridiculing people who doubted that it prevents transmission (it doesn't); he is still here calling doubters partisan morons- still peddling these libels that are just as inciting as any claim about the elections Trump ever made.

        And he will never, ever own up to his part in it.

  25. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The Bulwark on Republicans' disappointing response to the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.

    In other news, let's give Rand Paul's neighbor knighthood.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

      "We shit all over our own credibility but why won't people believe what we report???"

      1. Overt   3 years ago

        Obviously because they are partisan morons!
        -Mike

    2. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      It's links like this, that make it perfectly clear that ENB is a far left progressive.

  26. Ajsloss   3 years ago

    Good to know than BronBron "could care less" who owns twitter... moron.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      I enjoy political lectures from a basketball player.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Especially about international politics and economics in China.

      2. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        Chairman Lebron - Slavery is bad. Unless China does it and gives me millions of dollars.

  27. JesseAz   3 years ago

    "A federal judge denied a bid to shut down efforts by a group that has been surveilling drop boxes in Maricopa County, saying that it would violate the First Amendment rights of the watchers," reports the Louisiana Illuminator.

    You had to go to Louisiana to get your take on this ruling?

    The observers stay 70 yards back from the boxes and are not allowed to interact with people placing ballots. What's the distance for same day elections again?

  28. JesseAz   3 years ago

    The Bulwark on Republicans' disappointing response to the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.

    Lol. The bulwark. God damn.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      That HAD to be included just because it was trending on Twitter.

    2. damikesc   3 years ago

      Why "libertarians" have such a hard-on for warmongering neocons is a bit weird, to say the least.

      ...yes, I know actual libertarians do not care for them, but Reason seems to think they are the "cool kids" they need to pal around with.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Can you give an example of Reason’s doing that?

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Caw caw!

  29. Overt   3 years ago

    "The whole episode suggests, at worst, that Musk has no idea what he's doing—that he's rushing to make changes without research or really thinking through the implications."

    Uh no. This episode suggests no such thing. Episodes don't suggest. Journalists suggest. ENB is suggesting. ENB is suggesting that the richest man in the world doesn't know how to run a company. ENB's Blue Bubble has led her astray again.

    First, it is noteworthy that whenever Twitter has censored people- especially people ENB thinks are bad- she is the first to say something along the lines of, "Of course Twitter is a private entity and can make its own decisions." That to-be-sure is nowhere to be found here. It is interesting that what a man does with his private company doesn't get that disclaimer right off the bat. But that's just an aside.

    What Musk is doing is an experiment that Libertarians used to be all about: experiment using market forces to tackle spam and fraud. The reason bots are able to fill the comments of Reason and Twitter with spam is that the cost (making the bot) is tiny compared to the tiny return.

    Over the years, there have been plenty of attempts to apply these principles to email in order to tackle spam. Sending out literally hundreds of millions of spam emails costs a spammer next to nothing. But if it cost them even a cent to do so, it suddenly becomes too expensive. There are numerous schemes that sought to deal with this problem, while making email pretty much the same experience for people who use email in normal amounts. Musk is experimenting in the same way.

    Will it ultimately succeed? I doubt it- largely because people like ENB can't get outside their own narrow interests and think about these things before declaring them "Silly". The thought of imposing a cost to use Email was seen as Great Evil by the techno-utopian socialists of the early Internet, and those left-leaning technocrats are at it again.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      People used to pay for cable to avoid commercials.

    2. Claptrap   3 years ago

      Re: spam - at my old company the amount of spam hitting our email gateway (i.e spam attempts) dropped by about 80% in 2010 and stayed there until I left in 2018. Never got an explanation as to why.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Did you have a rock that kept spam away?

        1. Claptrap   3 years ago (edited)

          Somebody must have built one – by comparison, the volume in my spam folders on Gmail went down by roughly the same amount around then (company ran our own Exchange environment). I always found it odd that a lot of spammers seemed to have just give up around then.

        2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

          Rock > Spam > Paper.

      2. Overt   3 years ago

        Around 2010 is when the latest wave of anti-spam systems began. These were largely based on using cryptographic signing to confirm the origin of the sender, and large services (google, yahoo, msft) collaborating on "This is Spam" crowdsourcing to identify spammers.

        Unfortunately a lot of this system (except for the cryptographic signing) is dependent on large central data-gathering institutions being in cartels together.

        1. Claptrap   3 years ago

          That's good for why my Gmail folder was cleaner, but not my company's gateway, which was filtering them at a similar rate pre/post. Unless the rollout of these caused a general decline by lowering the success rate for spam to consumer webmail?

          1. Overt   3 years ago

            Cryptographic verification of senders did a lot to prevent the practice of standing up a rogue mail gateway that could send out emails all around the world. I'm pretty sure (but could be wrong) that Exchange 2010 instituted sender verification and sharing of blacklists. So now all the email gateways sending email around were rejecting unsigned senders, and sharing blacklists of bad senders who were verified/signed. Because you could not easily send to the big mail providers, the entire attack vector kind of dried up as they moved onto other stuff.

            1. Claptrap   3 years ago

              Interesting. Thanks!

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago (edited)

      The thought of imposing a cost to use Email was seen as Great Evil by the techno-utopian socialists of the early Internet, and those left-leaning technocrats are at it again.

      What’s hilarious about that is that the government might have actually kept the Post Office solvent by charging businesses a small fee for cross-domain emails, while allowing intranet emails to be free of charge since these often act as glorified IM services anyway. Especially with all the fucking spam out there, the Post Office would probably be swimming in cash now, but they missed out on that the same way Montgomery Ward failed to take advantage of its well-established logistics networks and beat Amazon to the consumer goods punch.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      But Trump!

  30. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    no matter what Musk does, people seem hellbent on crying catastrophe

    No, most real people don't give a shit.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      "people" here == journalists

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Journalists, like Democrats, strive to tell inferior people what to think.

    2. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      "Important" people, like journalist and Hollyweird people. If ENB wasn't a far left progressive, she'd be LOL with us. The progressive tears over all this is delicious.

  31. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    For instance, a lot of folks bots are now insisting that Musk's Twitter has become a haven for racism.

    FTFY.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      When can I get KKK hood and burning cross emojis?

  32. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    paying for the [blue check mark] would at once take away the perceived prestige and mark folks as thirsty, clout-chasing suckers.

    Guess the truth hurts.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

      Seems like Twitter could do the analytics to figure out which blue checks bring in ad revenue, and give them their checks for free.

      (Elon, if you are looking for someone who can come up with really obvious stuff like this, I’m available for a high six-figure salary and a corner office.)

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        I’m available for a high six-figure salary and a corner office.

        You could work for free and you'd still be overpaid.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        This comment is just like your posting.

        Paying you to have other people do the leg work.

        Just like you want others to provide you research and citations.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Now, let's talk about that French lit BA from Amherst.

  33. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    "So many damn unfit people saying hate speech is free speech," tweeted James

    You know what's really "hate speech?" Labeling entire swaths of society as "unfit people." Is that anything like "life unworthy of life?" Perhaps Lebron should learn to say it in German, it probably sounds better.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      To be a fit person, one must have a blue check.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      LeFlop says stuff like this because he believes that he got the clout and money he did based on his abilities alone. He really doesn't understand that the only reason he hasn't been cancelled like Kanye or even to a lesser extent like Kyrie Irving is because he parrots the narrative that the Cathedral wants him to squawk.

      1. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

        Yeah, if he suddenly got "red-pilled" and started saying a bunch of based stuff, he would be cancelled in 10 seconds and forgotten about forever in 5. He's little more than entertainment and as long as he licks the establishment boot and peddles the narrative they want him to peddle he'll stay in their good graces but the seconds he "leaves the plantation" so to speak, it's all over.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Kanye's a great example of how someone who's a complete fucking fruit loop will be indulged and propped up by the establishment, as long as he's slagging Republicans and acting like a minstrel in the approved manner.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Last he came for the Jews.

    3. genXer   3 years ago

      He probably knows how in Mandarin.

    4. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      Indeed, sounds like fighting words, 'damn unfit people.'

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Isn't it time for Lebron to take a short helicopter flight?

    6. mad.casual   3 years ago

      unfit

      Are we sure he isn't punching back against the body positive movement on behalf of Peloton or NordicTrack or whatever subscription-based 'fitness mirror' company is paying him to hock their crap?

  34. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

    Perhaps Musk's explanation will eventually make sense, but at present this proposal seems silly. More verified accounts means less ability for bots and trolls to impersonate people. But charging for verification is only going to lead to fewer verified accounts and more ability for bots and trolls to wreak havoc.

    Hold the fuck up here. Charging people for a premium to a social media service is nothing new, and there's certainly nothing nefarious about it. LinkedIn spams its subscribers constantly to upgrade to Premium in order to access more features of the website. How the fuck is Musk charging $20 a month to keep your blue check any different, especially when the people who have them can clearly afford it?

    This is the precise reason that the Blue Check Brigade is so pissed off about this to begin with--because it IS, in fact, a status symbol to them, and they don't want to have to pay more for the privilege of that marker. Like all leftists, they think they should be provided this as a "right" simply for breathing.

    Don't worry, commies--now that Twitter might be slightly less of a hugbox for your kind than it was before, there's still time to migrate over to Tribal!

    But let's get real, these are leftists--nothing infuriates them more than an social environment they haven't insinuated themselves into, so they can wag their finger at people to "do better." We'll see if they put their money where their big, flappy mouths are and actually deactivate their accounts. I suspect they'll follow through on this just like their evergreen threats to move to Canada when they don't win elections.

    1. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

      In addition to all that, is it really not possible for a bot or troll account to get a blue check? I assume there's some kind of identity verification, but I'm not on Twitter (a decision that I feel better about by the day, regardless who owns it) so I have no idea, but its seems like ENB is assuming it's impossible for a bot or troll to get one. Surely some enterprising troll has figured out how to get a blue check.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        I don't know how it's all determined, but it's definitely arbitrary. Liz Fong-Jones, who's been trying to get KiwiFarms knocked offline permanently, admitted that he only got his blue check after he and a bunch of other Google employees leaked James Damore's essay to the press and got Damore fired. The main criterion seems to be if you suddenly get a larger public profile for whatever reason, and Twitter gives it to you so spoofers can't exploit that spotlight.

        1. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

          The main criterion seems to be if you suddenly get a larger public profile for whatever reason, and Twitter gives it to you so spoofers can’t exploit that spotlight.

          If true, then in theory a bot account could get a blue check mark if it gets a large enough profile. Which makes the assertion that "[m]ore verified accounts means less ability for bots and trolls to impersonate people" nonsense, whereas if you have to pay for the blue check then someone had to fork over some actual money in order to get it.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Bots have gotten the checkmark while republican political candidates have not.

          2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            If you have to pay for it, there would be traceability to know that it is indeed who you are. Seems like it would be tough to spoof a bank account/ credit card just to get a fake blue check.

            1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

              Even if it's a couple bucks a month to cover the credit card charges, it would discourage widespread spoofing.

              When you can run one shopright bot and post over and over under different names on a message board, there's no expense beyond the programmers to keep it evading the filters. If you have to actually put money in, you'll be less incentivized to spam a place endlessly.

              Same has to be true on the twitters. You're not anonymous, it's not free. Blue checkers should love the idea.

      2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        It’s been notoriously hard for even flesh and blood genuine people to get a blue check. Lenore Skenazy from Reason, for example.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Why do you even care? Twitter isn’t important.

      3. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        I'm sure they could get one but paying for the thousands of accounts needed to move the needle will make them prohibitively expensive.

    2. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

      I'm not so sure it's the desire for free stuff or entitlement, per se. I think it's more a notion of endorsement. If any old schlubb can buy verification, then that blue checkmark no longer means you're special and have Twitter's recognition that you're one of the voices that deserves to be heard.

      1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

        Which sounds pretty great. The wailing and gnashing of teeth is far more likely because icky regular people could just pay, rather than be sponsored by edgy twitter employees. Or via some horseshit selection process based on public persona. Which again seems to fall back to selection by staff. As you're saying, much of the cachet will be lost if anyone can be verified. And much of the deliberately toxic structure could vanish as well.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        David hogg was asking to be paid for being a blue check yesterday.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Sounds like these people are simply going to add it to the list of things they want to pay for via their e-begging grifts: "Donate to my Venmo or Patreon so I can keep my blue check and continue to fight for ARE DUHMOKRASEE and battle HUWITE SOOPREMASEEE on the enemy's turf!"

          1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

            ^^This. I'm surprised King didn't start here.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      "Like all leftists, they think they should be provided this as a “right” simply for breathing."

      Be fair. They think they should be provided status signals as a "right" for being self-assessed superior people.

  35. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'Musk has been making a lot of eyebrow-raising moves.
    'He shared a conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.'

    Oh, really? According to the linked WAPO article:
    'On Sunday, he posted a response to Hillary Clinton that “there is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story” behind the attack on Paul Pelosi in San Francisco, linking to an opinion article in the Santa Monica Observer, a site described by fact-checkers as a low-credibility source favoring the extreme right.
    'The article claimed without evidence that Pelosi was drunk at the time of the assault and “in a dispute with a male prostitute.” The article, which was amplified by several right-wing figures, cited no sources and attributes its contents to IMHO — internet shorthand for “in my humble opinion.”

    So, the same integrity of "reporting" common in the NYT (but not following the Democratic narrative)? ENB should stick to sex work.

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      ENB should stick to sex work.

      Looks like Musk and The SMO may've scooped her for the biggest sex worker story of the week.

  36. Claptrap   3 years ago

    J.D. Vance’s Senate race isn’t going quite as expected.

    Seems like it's going exactly as expected: that's pretty much exactly the pre-2020 poll split between Trump and Biden.

    Funny how this slant only ever tilts one way.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Yeah the obligatory dump on Vance is typical of the "news" ENB thinks libertarians should ruminate about. Oddly DeSantis escaped unscathed today. Probably because his race isn't even close.

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        But trust Reason, ENB is NOT a far left progressive. Nope. No sir.

  37. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    And here's The Guardian: "Like Trump, Elon Musk reveals a vapid mind super-charged by wealth and ego."

    LOL The Gaurdian. His IQ is higher than anyone at your org has ever met.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      He’s the richest guy on the planet who started several cutting edge companies building electric cars and rockets because he is dumb.
      Yeah.

      1. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

        Let's see if I unpack the likely "logic" of these clowns:

        Elon Musk has Asperger's, a form of high functioning autism. Autistic people are often mentally disabled/ retarded. Therefore Elon Musk is retarded. QED.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Alternative unpacking of Guardian "reasoning":

          Musk defies the Progressive narrative. Only evil people are not Progressives. Therefore Musk is evil. QED

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        The dumbest thing of all is that everyone is treating this as an indicator of his intelligence either way. I have no idea if he'll make Twitter a money maker with his moves, but it's a more complicated calculus than smart vs. not smart.

  38. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'And here's The Guardian: "Like Trump, Elon Musk reveals a vapid mind super-charged by wealth and ego."'

    Be more like Guardian writers, and do it without the wealth.

  39. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    The whole episode suggests, at worst, that Musk has no idea what he's doing

    Underestimate Musk at your peril. They laughed off the idea of him buying twitter. They mocked every move he made and it turns out he was running circles around everyone involved and now they're all fired.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Underestimate Musk at your peril.

      This.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Not just fired. Fired 'for cause' and it would seem he's got the receipts.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        I would hope so, because he's opening himself up to some serious lawsuits otherwise.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Normally, I would agree. However, I'm not entirely convinced we didn't just watch Musk bluff, every last one of these retards go all in down to their pants and shirt off their backs and then fold.

          I believe he has the receipts. I also believe he could probably pull a quip from a conversation disapproving about where to go for lunch and the retards would be too lost about what bad thing they said in what bad context they should be worried about.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Either way, get out the popcorn.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Some blue-check is so ass-mad about this that he's trying to dig into Musk's citizenship paperwork to see if there's anything illegal that happened.

            Like, how fucking deranged do you have to be about Twitter becoming slightly less left-wing that you open up the door for the right to do that with every immigrant socialist who becomes a millionaire or runs for office?

    3. Dillinger   3 years ago

      shows the jornolists don't know what they're doing.

    4. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      When will they learn? I heard the SEC had to pay him $40m, too.

  40. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Emily Oster calls for "a pandemic amnesty."

    No. Never forgive these monsters.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Every public official involved in lockdowns should be put in jail for abuse power.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        the perfect take on this forgiveness bullshit

        Hey—sorry you lost your job b/c of the vax that doesn’t work and your grandmother died alone and you couldn’t have a funeral and your brother’s business was needlessly destroyed and your kids have weird heart problems—but let’s just admit we were all wrong and call a truce, eh? - @docMJP

        Jail for these fuckers, every single one of them.

      2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        Teen suicide rates in the USA reached all time highs during the lockdowns.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          That must be Trump's fault.

          1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

            Everything always is.

            Never thought we'd get to the point where everything wasn't Bush's fault, but the news cycle finally moved on after ten years. Now it's all Trump, all the time. TDS is endemic at this stage.

        2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

          Okay so you named the 1 good thing about the lock downs, but look at all of the damaged caused

      3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Starting with my asshole governor, Commodius Maximus aka JB Pritzker. It’s been two and a half years, yet he keeps renewing his own 30 day emergency every 30 fucking days, no legislative involvement whatsoever.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Something about the tree of liberty?

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

          Yeah he came out with a new mask recommendation a week ago because somebody somewhere has the sniffles. Seeing people masked up alone in their cars again.

      4. Finrod   3 years ago

        Yes, jail the lesser ones; the rest need to be hung from lamp posts.

  41. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "The Biden administration has partially justified its massive new funding for IRS agents by suggesting that it's needed to deal with an increasing amount of tax fraud. But a new IRS report suggests this increase does not exist."

    Just wait for these new "vetted" IRS staff to start writing reports that support the narrative.

  42. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    What's up, Peanuts?

    Chief Justice John Roberts puts temporary hold on release of Trump’s tax returns to Congress
    Ariane de Vogue
    By Ariane de Vogue and Tierney Sneed, CNN
    Updated 10:36 AM EDT, Tue November 1, 2022

    Well, I guess he really is above the law.

    #FederalistSocietyProtectsTheirOwn

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      Funny how he's the paragon of integrity when he does something your side approves of.

    2. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. Ronbback   3 years ago

      Considering by law tax returns are between the taxed and the IRS, Congress has no right to see teh returns of Trumps or mine or yours for any reason. If a tax crime was committed that is the job of the IRS to determine not anyone else.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Further, it's laughable to assume that turd or any congress-critter is familiar enough with tax law to make such a determination.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Or cares about the "law".

      2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        Nah, Congress has oversight power. You may not like it (it does seem obviously partisan to me), but it's also settled law. That's why Trump's firing his last bullet at the Supreme Court: he lost his last appeal.

        That doesn't necessarily mean Congress is permitted to make the tax returns public, however. Fortunately, nobody ever leaks anything from Congress (or the Supreme Court)...

    4. Jerry B.   3 years ago

      So for now the tax returns can’t be accidentally leaked to The NY Times.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Or leaked BY the Times.

      2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        Er, the Manhattan District Attorney already has them. Mazars turned them over in February 2021. (You knew that, right?)

    5. R Mac   3 years ago

      Why are you still here? You were banned for posting links to kiddie porn.

  43. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    The Biden administration has partially justified its massive new funding for IRS agents by suggesting that it's needed to deal with an increasing amount of tax fraud.

    Uh-huh, right. Sure Joe, whatever you say, you dementia addled twat.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      And by "tax fraud" he means any statement or action that contradicts the Democratic agenda.

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        ^ You get it.

  44. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

    Fuck Joe Biden.

    One week, people. Gonna be like Cornell winning a national championship.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Andy Bernard, is that you?

      1. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

        It's true. The only thing I love more than a Big Red wave is annoying the hell out of my viewing audience.

      2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

        That's Boner Champ to you, bud, or are you asking for Treble.

  45. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Bolsonaro supporters block Brazil roads for a 2nd day as president refuses to accept election loss

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brazil-election-results-2022-protest-lula-bolsonaro-road-blocks/

    BRING THE PILLER GUY IN !!!

    Trumpism has infected the world.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Are you having issues again, Sevo?

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago (edited)

            Does Bolsonaro turn you on like Trumpy-Bear does?

            1. Sevo   3 years ago

              turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  46. Sevo   3 years ago

    "...He shared a conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband..."

    Yeah. Similar to the way TDS-addled assholes screamed "DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID?!?!?!'
    No. He was using hyperbole, satanizing the 'story' regarding that attack

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      also it's not a conspiracy theory to wonder if there's more to a news story than we're being told in the first day of the story. crikey

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        The conspiracy theory is the gay hookup bullshit conservatives made up.

        This DePape is a MAGA cultist and his own kind have turned on him. Some conservatives initially lauded him.

        BUT REMEBER SCALISE is always the wingnut response when their violence is pointed out.

        1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          Yeah the nudist hippie from Berkeley with rainbow flags and BLM signs at his commune he lives in was a MAGA cultist.

          That's the conspiracy theory

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            HE'S PLAYING 4D CHESS!

          2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            It seems you've missed the news that he lived in a converted garage in Richmond for the past two years. (Richmond is six miles away from Berkeley.)

            The same address where someone with the same name coincidentally registered the infamous "frenlyfrens.com" website in September 2022.

            The CIA sure was thorough!

        2. Sevo   3 years ago

          turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit, kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

        Also, what he actually said was “there is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story” with a link to an article speculating that Paul Pelosi may have been in a drunken dispute with a gay prostitute. "There's a tiny possibility..." That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of said "conspiracy theory."

        But maybe we should cut ENB some slack, after all reading and understanding English is hard, and it's not like it's her job to know what words mean or anything like that.

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          Yeah, expecting critical thinking skills of J-school grads is a bit much.

        2. JasonAZ   3 years ago

          Hey, ENB is part of the libertarian group that believes whatever they're told, except if it comes from icky conservatives and Republicans.

    2. Sevo   3 years ago

      Ooops:
      '...satirizing...'

      1. Finrod   3 years ago

        I like the word 'satanizing', though.

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

          I read it as sanitizing, which is closer to the truth. haha

  47. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    How is there no mention of the DHS leaks in today's roundup? Possibly the biggest most important story of the last several years.

    https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformation-dhs/

    The "conspiracy theories" are once again just spoilers.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

      Local news. But they had a story yesterday afternoon on it. It can be forgotten now.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        Facebook and Twitter built a fucking special portal for government agents to login and make censoriship requests! this is fucking stalinist commissariat shit and the shit lib journos who were part of it or support it are trying to pretend it's nothing.

        makes me sick

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          But Democracy!

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Check this new information.

          Lee Fang
          @lhfang
          ·
          Follow
          Replying to @lhfang
          DHS official working on disinfo noted, during an internal strategy discussion, that the agency should use third party nonprofits as a “clearing house for information to avoid the appearance of government propaganda.”

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            Think of all the crazy ideas that came up in that meeting.

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          I guess they figured the NSA was already exploiting their product, might as well make the public-private partnership more formal.

      2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

        This quote says it all.

        “Platforms have got to get comfortable with gov’t. It’s really interesting how hesitant they remain,” Microsoft executive Matt Masterson, a former DHS official, texted Jen Easterly, a DHS director, in February.

    2. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      "Possibly the biggest most important story of the last several years."

      Get a load of this guy! He doesn't even 1/6!

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      “The challenge is particularly acute in marginalized communities,” the report states, “which are often the targets of false or misleading information, such as false information on voting procedures targeting people of color.”

      Tough to keep the slaves on the plantation if they hear some dangerous ideas.

    4. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      But these are private companies... -ENB and Reason Staff

    5. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      I got you, fam.

      https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/halloween-is-nothing-special-when

  48. Dillinger   3 years ago

    your banner headline is a fucking hoot.

  49. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago (edited)

    Thousands commemorate Mussolini’s rise as far-right sentiments continue to sweep across Europe Justin Klawans, Staff writer Sun, October 30, 2022 at 12:38 PM

    https://www.yahoo.com/video/thousands-commemorate-mussolinis-rise-far-163856631.html

    Tucker Carlson and Hannity sporting a boner Italian style.

    As far-right political parties continue to gain traction in countries across Europe, thousands of Italians on Sunday marched to the crypt of Benito Mussolini in celebration of the fascist Italian dictator, The Associated Press reported. The crowd, estimated at between 2,000 and 4,000 people, descended on Mussolini’s final resting place in the town of Predappio. Many within the crowd could be seen with fascist symbols and flags, and were reportedly heard singing Italian colonial-era hymns. The crowd had gathered to celebrate the 100-year anniversary of the March on Rome, in which members of the National Fascist Party overran the Italian capital and forced the nation’s king to hand total power to Mussolini. While Mussolini is often considered among the 20th century’s most brutal despots, the march on his grave mirrors the rise in far-right and neo-fascist movements that have been seen both in Italy and across Europe.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Go back to your NAMBLA meeting, you shit fucker.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Are their boners bigger than the dicks swung by FDR and his henchman as Mussolini fanboys?

  50. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>Republicans' disappointing response to the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.

    the fuck is the "response" supposed to be?

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      Bowing down and throwing flowers at her feet?

    2. Ronbback   3 years ago

      Haven't you heard all Republicans running for office must now stop advertising and should probably just forfeit the election now

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        this year's October Surprise delivered by Craftsman.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Disavowing the Republican Party and swearing to support BLM, the Green New Deal, and a permanent Democratic majority (while kneeling and wearing kente cloth)?

    4. mad.casual   3 years ago

      the fuck is the “response” supposed to be?

      Ring the bell, school's in.

  51. Sevo   3 years ago

    "The Bulwark on Republicans' disappointing response to the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband."
    From the link:
    "Kevin McCarthy, the man who would like to be the next speaker, took his time. He didn’t tweet for most of the day except to say, through an aide, that he had reached out privately to Nancy Pelosi. That’s nice but that’s not what the situation calls for."

    Uh, you can stuff your concern trolling up your ass along with your head and your TDS.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Dear Nancy,

      I am really sorry to hear your husband's gay hooker didn't like being expected to give a freebee and attacked your husband with the hammer that he was supposed to stick up your husband's ass.

      Signed,

      The Honorable Kevin McCarthy

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        A+

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        +1

  52. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    I’m curious which actions Musk has taken to with Twitter that ENB considers “indefensible.” She just throws out that he’s done some indef indefensible things without clarifying which those are.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      it's indefensible to put a crack in the cathedral. that's all you need tot know.

      1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        Honestly, I think she considers it indefensible for Elon Musk to charge $20 a month for people to maintain blue check marks, since that directly impacts her and her circle. But the truth is that the blue checkmark crowd actually makes money off of having a twitter account so it's probably worth some monetization of those people. I'm not sure if $20 a month is the appropriate price point, but given that he hasn't put it in place yet, the hypothetical principle is sound even if the cost is wrong.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          How about $2000 a month?

        2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          I would pay $20 for a blue check just to spite people like ENB. Let her know I have the money to pay $20 a month for something she values and not give a shit. Also, let her and the rest of them know how little they actually matter.

        3. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

          When even Stephen King can't come up with 20 bucks a month you know it's indefensible.

          1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

            Isn't he the guy that said he should pay more in taxes?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              One of them, but of course, like all rich progressives, he doesn't really mean it. He just means the rest of us, little people, should pay more in taxes.

    2. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

      Someone needs to change the name of this place to "Invective".

      "Reason" just doesn't cut it any more.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Free minds and free blue checks!

  53. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    "use of N-word on Twitter jumped by almost 500% after Elon Musk's takeover."

    Just dingers wildin'.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      What's up, nigger?

      1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

        USE OF 'NIGGER' UP 132890% ON REASON!

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          NOW UP 265780%!!

          1. Dillinger   3 years ago

            "what'd he say?"
            "he said the Sheriff's near!"

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              "Ooh, baby, you are so talented!
              And they are so *dumb*! "

    2. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      My pronoun preference is "nigger".

    3. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Show of hands, who really thought anything different would happen after an African American took control of Twitter?

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  55. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    One of the oldest moral panics in the book is back.

    Someone find me a Satanist that can balance the budget and reduce spending. I'll vote for them.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      if Grodin can balance the budget ...

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

        That is a funny scene in DAVE. "Do we really need to spend money to make someone feel good about an automobile they've already bought?" - Classic Gov. spending descriptions. Could fit in well these days with the electric car stuff.

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          indeed. whole movie was a lampoon ... and a good one.

    2. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

      find me a Satanist that can balance the budget and reduce spending

      It would probably require a deal with the Devil to get that done.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Go on.

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          just sign this Fiddle Contest Waiver ...

  56. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    Emily Oster calls for "a pandemic amnesty."

    Fuck you, Emily. You progs live to judge people on a scorecard.

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      "Amnesty is through this chute. Ignore the whirring noise. Feet first, now!"

  57. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago (edited)

    Job openings surged in September despite Fed efforts to cool labor market PUBLISHED TUE, NOV 1 202210:29 AM EDT

    CNBC.

    You can’t make this shit up, Peanuts.

    500,000 new job openings.

    The economy is running so hot the Fed can’t hose it down with interest rate hikes.

    But they will. It may take 5-6 more .75% hikes. They are determined to kill the economy so spittin’ tobacky prices retreat.

    Me? I old school. Let the market adjust itself.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
      Fuck off and die, asshole.

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      this is probably tucker's best opening monologue ever. Just a joy to watch. from last friday, about the twitter purchase.

      https://www.foxnews.com/video/6314551675112

    3. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      Now do the labor participation rate.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        He won't. It'll deflate whatever tiny stiffy he has.

  58. MWAocdoc   3 years ago (edited)

    There is an important point in the bit about hate speech that bears emphasizing: Just because you use a hateful term in a post doesn’t mean you espouse the use of the term or the hateful concept behind it. People might use a “banned” word during an online discussion criticizing – for example – racism. The word search protocols which might automatically tag the user and ban them from social network platforms are unlikely to be sophisticated enough to tell a bigot from an anti-bigot in that context and not only is it unfair but it would be counterproductive for the platform’s censors and fact-checkers.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Indeed. Simply counting the number of times the "n-word" is used on Twitter is a naive, error-prone way of figuring out how much hate speech there is.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Offending someone with a forbidden word is a hate crime. Screaming "I hate you!" while you beat someone to death is not.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        So, is hate a crime?

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          If the hate is not directed at an approved enemy of the party, yes it is a crime. Didn't you know that?

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Just don't bring up the fact sarc thinks there are no black people in Mexico. Totes not a racist.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            I find it amazing how you manage to lie about everything I say. It is a true talent.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              What was that? Youre lying again?

              sarcasmic 1 year ago
              Flag Comment Mute User
              Ever seen a black Mexican?
              .
              Me neither.

              https://reason.com/2021/07/17/how-mass-immigration-stopped-american-socialism/#comment-8999692

              Another moment of sarc caught in a lie brought to you by me.

              Youre such a fucking inveterate liar.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                You read that to mean there are no black people in Mexico? You really are retarded.

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                Under Spanish rule, Mexico had a rigid caste system based on skin color with white Europeans at the top, blacks at the bottom, and varying degrees of brown in between. That attitude still exists in the culture to a degree. That's why there aren't many black Mexicans. They make up a hair over 1% of the population, and are looked down upon by much of the citizenry.

                Now watch you quote that to say I'm racist. What a retard you are.

              3. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

                Oh, I get it. You’re saying that my pointing out racism in a culture is itself racist. Dude, that’s leftist logic. You may vote team red, but mentally and emotionally you’re a leftist.

    3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      Someone que up never be rude to an Arab by Monty python

  59. Think It Through   3 years ago

    The Slate piece on JD Vance was nothing more than a long-form of what Letterman used to do, Jaywalking with Leno, what Watters used to do, hundreds of people have done -- asking people in the general public about current events, and proving that people don't keep up with them, and/or might be borderline retarded.

    Yawn.

  60. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

    Say, does anyone out there remember Seth Rich? The low level DNC employee who was murdered on the streets of Washington DC at 4:30 in the morning over six years ago? In what the liberals want us to believe was a botched robbery attempt, probably by a member of the Crips or the Bloods or MS-13?

    Well, the legal system hasn't forgotten about him, even of you have. And would you believe that the FBI is asking a federal court to be granted a 66 year delay before having to turn over the contents of his laptop?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-asks-court-66-years-release-seth-rich-laptop-information

    Now exactly why would the FBI want to run 66 off the clock for releasing info on the victim of a robbery gone wrong? Seems a little odd if you ask me!

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Golly, a 66 year delay. Nothing suspicious there.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        65 seems reasonable.

    2. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      If the GOP wasn't a bunch of pussies, this might be something to assign to a special prosecutor. So it'll probably get ignored.

    3. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      The same Seth Rich murder the Trump Administration had four full years to investigate, but didn't?

      Was Rudy otherwise engaged?

  61. NOYB2   3 years ago

    Stephen King
    $20 a month to keep my blue check? Fuck that, they should pay me. If that gets instituted, I’m gone like Enron.

    Please remove yourself from Twitter, Mr. King, you will not be missed. Really, the sooner the better.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      the ironing of the Attention Parasites voluntarily leaving their host is delicious

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        They will never leave Twitter. ENB's concern trolling about how Twitterati won't pay for their beloved blue checks is obvious concern trolling. "Oh No we will have to pay for our blue checks. Doesn't Musk know who we are?"

        Yes, sweetheart, he does. He knows exactly who you are and that is why he knows you will pay up.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Like a sex work transaction, but different.

          1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

            Regardless of the context, ENB is the whore.

        2. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          Nailed it.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        I know that's a typo, but could it be steam ironing, please?

  62. MWAocdoc   3 years ago (edited)

    Concerning the “COVID” amnesty: Not just no, but HELL no! The article is revisionism at its worst from beginning to end. We did, in fact, know right from the beginning that drastic social interventions by government would not work and would do immense harm to people and society. Some politicians followed the dictum to never let a good crisis go to waste, while other officials simply panicked and ignored their own carefully developed response plans. “We did not know” is only an appropriate slogan now or at any time in the last two years for a few minor responses like which immunization was better. Shame on “The Atlantic” for running this self-congratulatory clap-trap. I will continue to keep score of all the wrongs done to us using COVID as an excuse unlikely as that might be to do any good at this point.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      It is not just that they demanded draconian measures that turned out to be ineffective and do all kinds of harm. That would be bad enough. It is that they demanded measures that were self evidently internally inconsistent, irrational, and worse hypocritical and self serving. They didn't just demand every activity outside your home be banned, they decided that rioting was okay. They didn't just demand everyone wear masks, including children whose speech and emotional development was greatly harmed, they exempted themselves from the rules when it suited them (remember the pictures from the Met gala of masked servers serving unmasked politicians and celebrities?). Their mistakes were bad enough, but it is their hypocrisy and manipulation of the situation for their own benefit that makes their behavior not just mistaken but criminal.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        It is not just that they demanded draconian measures that turned out to be ineffective and do all kinds of harm. That would be bad enough. It is that they demanded measures that were self evidently internally inconsistent, irrational, and worse hypocritical and self serving.

        Self-serving is incorrect, as evidenced by the half-apologies being issued. Their incoherent fanaticism didn't/couldn't serve their own ends. They took stances that they knew were inconsistent whether they knew they were effective, ineffective, or not. They took those stances in opposition to principled moral stances. At best, they were beyond utterly incompetent, like a dog flying an airplane, it cannot possibly fly it in it's own best interest. More likely and at worst, they were evil. Not really that different than 9/11 hijackers flying an airplane. No real principled or conciliatory stance that could move everyone, including themselves, forward together... just kill people and burn shit down until the infidels obey. Lord of the fucking flies.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          It was self serving. They suffered no harm from any of this. They benefited in some cases financially, in other cases by obtaining power and importance, and at the very least by conformity and virtue signaling. Now, they want to pretend it didn't happen.

          It is a small example but a particularly annoying one. There is a magazine out of Australia called Quillett. It is claims to be right wing and generally does criticize the woke religion. It and its founder, some bird named Claire Lehman were all in on the lockdowns, mandatory vaccines and the whole circus. They defended Australia locking the unvaccinated in camps and said somehow they were not real "concentration camps". Meanwhile Lehman never lost a dime in pay and is spending her time posting pictures of herself in her bikini on instagram.

          Oddly, the magazine hasn't said a word about COVID since June of this year. It is just "nevermind". And Lehman and the rest of the creatures who work for her will no doubt want us to pretend none of it ever happened. Fuck her and fuck everyone like her. I will never forget nor forgive.

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago (edited)

            It was self serving. They suffered no harm from any of this.

            Quillette – There’s a name I haven’t heard in about 4 yrs., that and ‘intellectual dark web’. Funny, I knew of Harris, Rubin, Peterson, Rogan, Shapiro, Hoff-Sommers, Weinstein(s) before Quillette and the IDW and after Harris ‘turned in his imaginary membership card to an imaginary organization’ I was pretty sure the whole thing was falling apart. Am I wrong? Viewership/readership stronger than ever?

            Posting bikini picks on Insta ain’t exactly championing Western political ideology by matching wits with Joe Rogan.

            Edit: Sam Harris quitting the IDW and Andy Ngo quitting Quillette.

            1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

              https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1474145496729993243

              Lehmann is a bit of a butter face but she does look good in a bikini. Sadly, COVID showed her to be an authoritarian Karen.

              1. Dillinger   3 years ago

                "Claire?"
                "It's a family name!"
                "It's a fat-girl's name."

                1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

                  She is not a fat girl. She does have a hell of a body. And she has two or three kids. It doesn't make up for being a vapid bitch but credit where credit is due.

                  1. Dillinger   3 years ago

                    saw the pic was making a movie reference. "how tall are you on twitter?" was a hilarious comment.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                  "What do you need a fake I.D. for?"
                  "So I can vote."

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        You have a good start on the standard confession that every COVIDian has to sign before we can even start on reconciliation.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          They can make it to a priest on the way to the scaffold.

      3. MWAocdoc   3 years ago

        I do have to assert my opinion that any harm done to children by not allowing them to be "socialized" in the tax-financed school system is, at most, temporary. The example I usually cite is when Denmark suddenly realized that there was no education system in their colony, Greenland, and forthwith implemented same, the Greenland children were up to expected grade- and form-levels within a year or two regardless of what education level they started from. And, quite frankly, socialization and day-care roles for government schools is highly over-rated.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          I am talking about the harm done to children because every adult around them was wearing a mask. It has nothing to do with school. Not seeing people's faces is a big problem for kids.

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago

            Not seeing people’s faces is a big problem for kids.

            And adults. It's funny that people who've spent decades telling us 90+% of in-person communication is non-verbal pretend that face-coverings in no way affect communications.

            I keep seeing the CVS ad where everyone is masked and it's obviously terribly dubbed, to the point that people's body language doesn't match what they're saying. It sends a very clear, "We don't care about what we're trying to say." message.

            1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

              Remember when they were saying masks were "the new normal"? Those fuckers would have made people wear masks forever if they could have gotten away with it.

          2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

            Teenagers need social interaction . It leads to death when that is cut off for them and that is exactly what happened. Teen suicides skyrocketed during the pandemic. These lockdown monsters can never be subjected to enough payback

  63. Brian   3 years ago

    “ He shared a conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.”

    When the left speculates according to their biases before all the facts are known: “theorizing”

    When the right speculates according to their biases before all the facts are known: “conspiracy theory”

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      No shit. Any speculation that reflects poorly on a member of the political left is a "conspiracy theory" no matter how consistent it is with the known facts.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Literally one person repeating literally one other person's idea: conspiracy.
        Security detail, capitol police, politicians, spouses, media talking heads... all agreeing on the same obviously shoddy narrative: theory.

    2. MWAocdoc   3 years ago

      It is simply amazing how many "conspiracy theories" recently attacked by "the left" have turned out to be true. For retraction by the liberal press cheerleaders: see page 36.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Like, what, two or three out of dozens?

        1. Brian   3 years ago

          I’m still waiting for Trump to be charged based on the Mueller report because he’s no longer the sitting president. That’s the only reason he wasn’t charged years ago, if I remember correctly.

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

            Is that supposed to be a “gotcha”. I’m not a Democrat and I have never pushed the Russian election interference narrative.

            I don’t even comment on it because it all occurred at a time when I was very busy working and I never followed it closely. Look through any comment thread about Russian election interference or Mueller reports, you simply won’t find me saying anything on the subject.

            1. Brian   3 years ago

              It's about people's tendency to speculate according to their own biases without any grounding in facts. The only difference is that my example was from ostensibly serious people who ostensibly should be trusted.

              It's not about you, silly. No one's concerned with what you've been up to.

  64. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    The Bulwark on Republicans' disappointing response to the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.

    Neocons are the good guys now because orangemanbad.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Being a Regime Libertarian must be a very confusing way to live. It can't be easy keeping up with who is and is not the enemy on a given day.

      1. MWAocdoc   3 years ago

        I don't have any trouble at all keeping up! Almost all machine Republicans and almost all machine Democrats = ENEMIES!

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Anyway, the predictable "have decency, and give Paul and Nancy the privacy they deserve", has been engaged.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        How hasn't been attacked in their home after the servants let a guy wearing only underwear in the house?

      2. MasterThief   3 years ago

        In other words, yes it was a gay sex thing.
        I actually only saw conservatives condemn the attack and wish him recovery. Once the details started looking fishy is when conservatives questioned the narrative (in part because they pinned it as a right wing attack despite the guy being a lefty.) Best wishes to Paul in recovering and throw the book at his attacker. Still, let's have the actual story of what happened whether or not it is an embarrassment to Nancy (especially so soon after the DUI.)

    3. damikesc   3 years ago

      It must be exhausting to decide that every one of your "core" beliefs are now moot if they are not paired with total politeness. So, Mona Charen seems bitchier than usual.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Keep in mind, these are the same type of people who wrote books called "Liberal Fascism" and "Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First" during the Bush years.

        Funny how that kind of rhetoric started becoming problematic when the GOP's voters grew more populist and actually began demanding that the party act in its own interest rather than be jobbers to the DNC.

  65. Brian   3 years ago

    Whatever happened to the Highland Park shooter?

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-highland-park-shooting-crimo-charges-court-tuesday-20221101-jer4ducmqbeupcrnfd25cvnpya-story.html

      1. Brian   3 years ago

        But did we determine conclusively which tribe he belongs to?

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Crazy people tribe?

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            Close.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              I’m sure next time a crazy person that has right leaning beliefs does something bad, Mike will just attribute him to the “crazy tribe”. He’s neutral like that.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Being as it is Highland Park, a north shore suburb, a lily white rich area with lots of progressive twits, I'd say he's more than likely from the left.

  66. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Mike Laursen and Jeff swear that this isn't happening.

    CHOP's gender clinic founder says 'age is just a number' when advocating for double mastectomies for healthy 14-year-old-girls

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      there is no such thing as a "trans kid"

      1. Claptrap   3 years ago

        I identify as a nine year old.

        1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

          An introduction to AGE THEORY.

        2. Dillinger   3 years ago

          go to your room.

          1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

            chemjeff is hiding in his closet.

            1. Dillinger   3 years ago

              scary monsters.

        3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Careful, Buttplug might take interest.

    2. Dillinger   3 years ago

      cite!

  67. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Thank goodness for fortification.

    Democrats are worried about a seat in New York where Biden won by 20

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      If they're worried about a seat which should be totally secure, then anything might be up for grabs.

  68. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    "So many damn unfit people saying hate speech is free speech," tweeted James, in response to a report that use of racial slurs on Twitter were up.

    100% Irony. The gauge doesn't go any higher than this.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      "unfit people"!!! coming from a mega millionaire. hooooo boyo

  69. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2022/11/01/cnn-goes-after-mans-best-friend-n1641584

    CNN hates dogs, further proof that the media hates everything that makes life worth living.

  70. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago (edited)

    When will LeBron James take slavery serious and start paying reparations to the chinks that make his shoes?

    Edit (thank God for an edit button)
    Can I call them chinks if they are mainly sewing? The term chink comes from the clinging of the rail workers. So what would the equivalent of shoe making be?

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      "Burts" (from the brrrrrrr) of a sewing machine.)

  71. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    I am going to say that I would be very disappointed if Musk got rid of the blue checkmark. The blue checkmark is like a bell on a cat's neck. When reading a tweet, the checkmark is the first visual indicator you're dealing with a retard.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      However, charging for the blue checkmark is *finger-kiss* magnifique...

      You want to signal to the world that you're Important(tm), good, $20 a year.

      1. The Margrave of Azilia   3 years ago

        I think it's per month, but I suspect it will change and evolve.

        1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

          I think King got him down to $8.

          Savvy bargainer that one.

  72. Cronut   3 years ago

    They want amnesty for this:

    "The Worst Pediatric-Care Crisis in Decades"

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/10/rise-of-rsv-flu-covid-infections-kids/671947/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Glorious that that's on the same website as the article saying "no harm no foul, right?"

      Completely tone-deaf.

  73. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    Since this appears to be a slow day on Reason, I'd like to introduce you to the GOP candidate for congress in NJ-1. She's raked in so much money, she's using a recycled campaign commercial from 2020.

    Serious Delores Umbridge vibes in this one.

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago (edited)

      Did she shoot that in her 20-yr.-old son’s dorm room? Between the ‘Blue Lives Matter’ beer fridge over her left shoulder and the candy dish full of empty birth control cassettes over her right shoulder, her basement bunker looks way more epic than Biden’s.

  74. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>A shorthand for a hated class ("blue check Twitter").

    the peeps who brought hate to the party are the blue checks you seem to completely misunderstand the definition and effects of censorship

  75. LorettaCarini   3 years ago (edited)

    I quit working at shoprite and now I make $65-85 per/h. How? I'm working online! My work didn't exactly make me happy so I decided to take a chance on something new… after 4 years it was so hard to quit my day job but now I couldn't be happier.

    Here’s what I do............>>> Topcitypay

  76. Tionico   3 years ago

    a report that "use of N-word on Twitter jumped by almost 500% after Elon Musk's takeover."quote: But the jump seems to have come from a coordinated attempt by trolls to test limits"

    How's about a couple of new "N words" to toss about at remdom?
    How about Neanderthal, and Nucklehead.

  77. XM   3 years ago

    Here are some reasons why I think paid membership is a good idea.

    If I pay to use a service or buy a product, I become (or should become) a customer, not a user. If twitter wants to censor my content, now I'm more entitled to answers from their customer service, HR, or whatever. Just like how if my Amazon deliveries are late, I have the option of speaking to chat agents.

    Secondly, you don't want to give some dumb malcontent free, default tools to amplify their voices. Anyone can post for free in some basic free plan. If you want to be recognized as an authorized voice of a company and government who needs to respond to fact checks or information, you should pay for certain privileges. That some blue checks will refuse to pay 20 bucks a month is GOOD thing - it cuts out the fat. Your bank would rather you close your account if you only have 300 bucks in it. They charge you monthly fees because they're losing money.

    Here's the thing - Elon is an alpha male. He doesn't want his Twitter to be beholden to jittery / wokish advertisers. And he anticipates massive attacks by the left, who now clearly hates him. He may also believe that the ad revenue model alone might not be sustainable in recession America. He's streamlining operation and exploring other payment model to be in more control of everything.

    You know what great businessman do - they cut out like the bottome 10% and cultivate the top performers. There are no room for diversity officers in Elon's empire. Hopefully.

  78. Eric H.   3 years ago

    JD Vance is up by 8 points in the RCP poll average. Trafalgar has him at 10, as does Emerson which polled the same day the article was written.
    ?????????????

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