ATF, Enforcer of Gun Laws, Lost 'Thousands of Firearms, Firearm Parts' to Thieves
The agency should be abolished and its employees sent to seek jobs in the private sector.

With inflation, prices are up pretty much across the board, but if you're looking for a new gun for recreation or self-defense, here's a hint: the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) is offering them at an absolute steal. Seriously, the federal agency tasked with enforcing firearms regulations has such poor security that thousands of guns and gun parts once in its possession disappeared in the hands of thieves. And it has yet to fully implement recommended reforms.
"Since September 2015, the ATF has utilized the National Disposal Branch (NDB), formerly the National Firearms and Ammunition Destruction (NFAD) Branch, to centralize and streamline the disposal process of forfeited and ATF-owned firearms. Each year, the ATF destroys thousands of firearms at the NDB," the U.S. Justice Department's Inspector General noted in announcing a recent report. "The DOJ Office of the Inspector General (OIG) undertook this audit following the discovery that thousands of firearms, firearm parts, and ammunition had been stolen from NFAD from 2016 to 2019."
So, for three years, the agency that enforces every petty and intrusive federal regulation regarding firearms (as well as alcohol, tobacco, and explosives) let its own security personnel ("a DHS contract security guard was convicted in connection with these thefts") pilfer its inventory.
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Strictly speaking, the report isn't about the thefts themselves, which were discovered by accident during a traffic stop. The recent report delved into the ATF's progress in implementing anything resembling the security procedures it requires of the private gun dealers it oversees—or maybe just something more challenging than leaving "intact weapons … in unsecured boxes and unlocked containers." So, how is the ATF doing at storing firearms at least as securely as you might expect of private businesses?
"The ATF has implemented several new control procedures to reduce the risk of firearm thefts," the report found. "However, the ATF has not implemented all improvements to NDB operations recommended over three years ago."
Among other challenges, even well after the disposal facility was identified as a grab-bag for the firearms black market (the convicted security guard, Christopher Lee Yates, sold what he stole), the Inspector General "identified several ATF policies regarding firearm storage and evidence tracking with which the NDB is not in compliance." Of course, implementing new security measures doesn't matter much when "staff does not consistently adhere to established operating procedures in place to mitigate the risk of firearms being lost or stolen. Specifically, we observed, in the NDB facility surveillance footage, staff occasionally circumventing controls pertaining to facility and vault access solely for the sake of convenience."
Staff stored guns on top of vaults instead of inside them, left keys lying around, propped exterior doors open, didn't sign people in and out, and otherwise engaged in more sloppiness than you might expect of people who had already been caught with their pants down and were told to tighten things up. Then again, government workers aren't generally held to the same standards as the private sector.
The ATF has long had an adversarial relationship with gun owners and sellers, but last year, the Biden administration deliberately stepped up the hostilities.
"The Justice Department is announcing a new policy to underscore zero tolerance for willful violations of the law by federally licensed firearms dealers that put public safety at risk," the White House announced in 2021. "Absent extraordinary circumstances that would need to be justified to the Director, ATF will seek to revoke the licenses of dealers the first time that they violate federal law."
The ATF was obviously listening and eager to please the administration.
"The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives revoked gun store licenses at a higher rate in 2022 than in any year since 2006," The Trace, "the only newsroom dedicated to covering gun violence," trumpeted earlier this month. "The total more than triples the number of licenses revoked in 2021, when a similar number of dealers were inspected."
But, while some of the violations that could get a license to sell firearms revoked are potentially serious, many are of the sort best described as bureaucratic missteps.
"At the direction of the Biden administration, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) appears to be revoking the licenses of firearm dealers for even minor paperwork violations," AmmoLand, which covers shooting sports, observed in May. After reviewing the list of criteria for targeting gun dealers, AmmoLand pointed out that "'falsifying records' is a very broad category that can include making simple errors on Form 4473, and 'failing to respond to a trace request' could result from simply missing an attempted contact by ATF."
In particular, it should be noted, the ATF requires that "Any Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) who has knowledge of the theft or loss of any firearms from their inventory must report such theft or loss within 48 hours of discovery to ATF and to the local law enforcement agency." These reports must "be made by telephone and in writing to ATF."
The ATF also publishes a flyer on "Loss Prevention for Firearms Retailers" that includes handy tips about records-keeping, locking stuff up, and not employing sketchy people. You have to wonder what the ATF would say about a private facility that was ripped off for years on end by its own staffers and still failed to implement serious security measures after the fact. I expect that the consequences would be a bit more serious than a single arrest and then business as usual despite a tut-tutting reprimand.
The nicest thing you can say about the ATF is that it's an unserious and unaccountable bureaucracy. Often it's explicitly contemptible, such as during the Fast-and-Furious gun-walking scandal, and its setting up mentally disabled youths to take the fall during gun-and-drug stings. After those abuses of individual rights and public trust, the failings of the National Disposal Branch almost pale by comparison.
The theft of "thousands of firearms, firearm parts, and ammunition" from the federal body tasked with enforcing firearms regulations on the private sector is just further evidence that the ATF has no good excuse for existing. Like so many other government agencies, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives should be abolished, and its employees sent into the world to seek honest jobs in the private sector, if anybody will have them.
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Apparently even the ATF isn’t immune to boating accidents.
Nice idea but DC repubs don't have the courage for that. Also union rules make it difficult to fire these people.
More reasonable solution would be to cut out many of the ATF offices completely and the HQ in half, and send the excess people to the SW border to work for CBP and DEA. Many agents will not like being on the border in west TX, NM, AZ or SE CA and will quit on their own.
unserious and unaccountable bureaucracy.
That's doubly redundant.
One of the biggest disconnects I see is when the left accuses Republicans of being fascists for wanting to decrease bureaucracy. I have seen several 'respected' journalists make the argument that firing bureaucrats is the telltale sign of impending fascism. This is maybe one of the most ahistorical stances I have ever seen. In the first four years of Hitler's rule, Germany (a state already known for it's vast bureaucracy back to the days of the Holy Roman Empire, and then put on steroids by the Prussians) increased bureaucracy 'twenty to forty times' by their own estimation. In fact, tyrants/dictators/autocrats invariably increase bureaucracy, because to truly rule people you need a vast bureaucracy and a strong regulatory regime.
This, along with the argument that Nazis were a Christian and Capitalists movement is a sign of how bad our social studies education is in America. The Nazi party wanted to eliminate Christianity and replace the worship of God with a worship of the state (they even tried to rewrite the Bible and eventually banned the sale of the Bible). They also detested capitalists, though at times they played down this aspect to gain power (in the 1930s) and financing of Capitalists. Once they achieved power, however, they went after capitalists almost as much as they went after Jews (who they blamed for both capitalism and communism) and communists. Really, economically speaking, the Nazis didn't have a well spelled out policy, other than the economy was completely controlled by the state (via an extensive bureaucracy) and part of the economy was dedicated to the government and it's aims. They also pushed the idea that the personal was unimportant, that the collective was all important, that personal liberty had to be subservient to the greater good. It was never an ideology of individualism, small bureaucracy and free market capitalism, or Christian values.
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Yes, it's as if they think getting rid of a middle manager is the same as dissolving Congress.
Well, these same fucks also think taking rule making power away from unelected bureaucrats and returning it to the elected legislature is also a threat to "Democracy ™".
I'd call it drumming up business. Classic rat catcher problem.
Sending them out into the real world to get real jobs won't work since I haven't heard of any villages missing their idiots.
You're assuming the objective is to keep bureaucrats alive. Which to be fair seems the most rational explanation of why the ATF exists.
We never ever got an adequate explanation for the "gun-walking." If the idea was to monitor the guns and bring charges against big-wigs in Mexico, then we would have needed to cooperate with Mexican authorities. So that explanation by Holder just doesn't wash. Of course, he blew off a Congressional subpoena and was cited for contempt of Congress. Bannon has every right to complain about this.
How many of the audits and license revocations were due to FFLs being told by ATF to allow suspected straw-purchases under "Fast and Furious"? With a 10 year record keeping requirement, audits launched in 2021 could have caught the last couple of years before Holder finally shut down the operation while refusing to comply with dozens of congressional subpoenas leading to the Contempt of Congress charge 18 months after the first one (Barr got a similar charge from the Dems 72 hours after not complying with one subpoena).
The real explanation of the Fast and Furious scheme was given by 0blama, when asked about gun control by a reporter.
He answered that they had some initiatives that were "under the radar".
The goal was to use complaints by the Mexican government, of our guns flooding their cartels, as the excuse for repealing the 2A.
There was no legitimate reason for the program. It had already been tried by the Bush admin. as "Operation Wide Receiver", to attempt tracing of illegal gun trafficking, but abandoned as unworkable and dangerous. Obama resurrected the program to damage support for the Second Amendment and lawful gun ownership.
So if the ATF broke the ATF's gun storage rules, can the ATF shut down the ATF?
A judge should . . . .
Totally off-topic, but something seems odd about the Paul Pelosi assault . . . .
I agree. Paul seems to be in a stretch of bad luck. First he wrecks his fancy car and flees the scene, now he is assaulted in his own home...
Who was the third person mentioned by police reports? Stuff isn't adding up . . . . who knows, but this doesn't seem straightforward MAGA guy breaks in.
It was not that.
And the cops were unusually diligent on this one. Response in a matter of minutes.
And the glass door that was broken was apparently broken from the inside. At least that is what it looks like from the photo. Most burglars enter from the outside. Apparently Mega Maga Midnighters do things a bit differently.
The cops were called for a wellness check. Who called the wellness check is unknown.
The full and hopefully less "fog of war" report I heard today is that Pelosi dialed 911 on speaker and tried to say things to allow the dispatcher to figure out what what was happening without being able to talk directly to them himself. I'd assume that "wellness check" is what the dispatcher told to the police sent out as a way to get someone moving without more specific information.
The reports of a "third person" were apparently in error, but the report that both men were holding hammers when the cops arrived seems to be holding up, then after police arrived the attacker disarmed Pelosi and hit him in the head. The idea of an 80-something super-wealthy man being able to get a hammer of his own for defense without any warning around 2:30AM strikes me as odd.
There was also a report that "zip ties were found at the scene", which is also hard to know if it means anything. With or without a break-in, any examination of my house would turn up a lot of zip ties in many different sizes, mostly in proximity to other tools; if I had to rush to grab a hammer to defend myself in the middle of the night, there'd be zip ties scattered around as well (and any thinking person should be more curious why I'd gone for the hammer instead of one of several firearms that are available for that purpose).
And the cops were unusually diligent on this one.
Of course, this wasn't just some random prole, this was a member of the ruling elite that was in trouble. Some animals are more equal than others.
this doesn’t seem straightforward MAGA guy breaks in.
It wasn’t. The guy who assaulted him is a member of the Green Party, and in a picture of the house where he lived along several other hippie types, there’s a pride flag out front. Not exactly hallmarks of someone who identifies with the MAGA ideology. More likely this guy was just a run of the mill nutjob with some general anti-government views and the media is blatantly lying about his motivations.
It has become clear that Depape was a run-of-the-mill Qnut. He had lived in a Richmond garage for at least two years before the Pelosi assault, which means all these breathlessly revealing stories about him living in a Berkeley hippie commune are simply out of date: he had redpilled since then.
His more recent thoughts and motivations have also become much more clear, following the publication of his post-arrest statements and the discovery of two websites attributed to him (and will no doubt be further illuminated when the contents of the "journal" he apparently had brought with him on his "suicide mission" are published).
We'll never hear the truth. All we'll be told is the Berkeley nudist protester is a MAGA republican.
Really funny watching the lefturds try to sell that bullshit on a Twitter where they can't just shut anyone up who calls them on it.
-jcr
What strikes me is how incoherent the media narrative is. It's like they didn't get a memo to synchronize their message, so it's getting largely ignored by state media except for the odd opinion piece blaming political violence on their political enemies.
Nope, different rules for the private sector than for government agencies. Which is to say, private entities have to follow rules, the government enforcers, not so much.
Nice pipe dream you've got there. It would be a great shame if anything happened to it, right?
Best meme I have seen is Pelosi got in a car wreck while being hammered and got caught in tighty whities and got hammered.
Federal law enforcement is horrible and should be shut down, except the FBI. They are totally trustworthy and honorable.
The Reason Staff.
They need to hire 87,000 new agents to get a handle on this lawlessness.
"The agency should be abolished and its employees sent to Siberia."
FTFY.
Actually, fuck it, Siberia doesn't deserve that. Woodchippers it is.
As punishment or to try and retrieve some of the 'lost' weapons?
The agency should be abolished and its employees sent to seek jobs in the private sector.
This could be said about virtually every alphabet federal agency.
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I'm old enough to remember when the most egregious example of BATF incompetence was the time that two of them (one posing as an unlicensed seller, the other posing as an ineligible buyer) tried to arrest each other at a Nashville gun show. Late 70s, I think that was.
-jcr
I hadn't heard that one but it is hilarious!
FBI raided a house in Florida in the mid 80's. Gunfire was exchanged. The FBI thought that they were arresting a drug dealer, it was actually a DEA sting operation.
There are so many dangerous things the government must control. Sometimes that danger spills over.
Keep 'em coming. I could use a few laughs. Nothing but the best for the taxpayers.
"The agency should be abolished and its employees sent to seek jobs in the private sector." that sounds fairly insurrectionist there, how soon will they raid Tuccelle's home or he disappears all together
The BATF was scheduled to be eliminated by Congress a few months before the debacle at Mount Carmel Center. What few legitimate functions they had were to be rolled over into the FBI. In a desperate attempt to head off elimination, they searched for and found a non-sympathetic target - the Branch Davidians. Totally ignoring due process and bypassing all norms of investigation, they incompetently launched a "secret" assault on the Branch Davidians which wasn't secret, and disaster ensued. Instead of sealing the fate of this unnecessary, abusive and clownish agency, politicians circled the wagons, enlarged their scope and power and here we are.
Never forget Waco, Tx or Ruby Ridge.
They killed kids.
government doesn't lose things.
We'll never know the depth and breath of the corruption. No telling how many got paid for their assistance and their silence.
The BATF is just another welfare payout to GED grads who couldn't get a job in the private sector. Like all government employees who are about as useful as a case of hemorrhoids, that the America taxpayers have to continue to pay for these miscreants.
The BATF should meet the same fate awaiting the FBI, DHS,TSA, IRS, DOE, DEA, CDC, Dept. of Agriculture,...I'm sure there's more than need to go but this would be a start.
What they did in Waco, Tx and Ruby Ridge should never be forgotten.
Never.
No one in their right would ever hire any of these clowns. Maybe HR departments, but they're not in their right minds.
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Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms: the real Holy Trinity.
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.
Like me shirt says, it should be an awesome weekend, not a government agency.
It should be a one stop shopping store, NOT a government agency.
"Each year, the ATF destroys thousands of firearms at the NDB . . . "
So why not balance the budget by selling them through the CMP?
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives should be abolished, and its employees sent into the world to seek honest jobs in the private sector
Take a few guns on the way out and they won't need honest jobs.
lol
Guessing many of those missing guns are in the possession of ATF employees.
Unrelated, this reminds me of a theft ring that stole from the naval shipyard in Philly back in the day. It got so bad that they were stealing so much and selling it (to NCIS agents), that they were using a dump truck.
They were so brazen that when an agent asked "how much for the truck", they sold it to him.
The ATF should be shut down and the agents should either be jailed or shot on the spot
Like most Federal Agencies they use polygraph tests to hire new agents. Of course relying on technology that isn't even allowed to be used in court or in Private industries will get you the best and most qualified people. What could go wrong?
Remember: Aldrich Ames passed polygraph tests twice while spying for the Soviets.
Amazing that they're cracking down hard on FFLs but still appear to have a pretty generous "tolerance" for sons of prominent politicians lying on Federal paperwork in order to defraud those licensees in order to illegally purchase firearms (which are then left unattended and unlocked (and possibly loaded?) in proximity to a public school.
is hunter biden ever going to get in trouble for lying on his form 4473
Yes, the ATF show go out of business. While they're at it, many other federal agencies, like the Dept. of Education, need to go out of business. The federal government is not a "jobs" program.
But once guns are banned they'll be totes sure thieves never get hold of any. Especially none of those weapons the government will still have.
Destroying guns, parts and ammo? This stuff should be sold at auction like any other government property! Our state does this, even with guns (to licensed dealers).
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ATF, Enforcer of Gun Laws, Lost 'Thousands of Firearms, Firearm Parts' to Thieves
I think you mean SOLD, not LOST.
Who needs gun control when you just shut down the gun shops?
Yeah…the ATF is so competent…kinda like when a bunch of amateurs cleaned their clock at Waco and sent four home in body bags. The only reason the shooting stopped is that the ATF ran out of ammo. The BD’s should have left the building, engaged them and wiped them out.