Bikini Baristas Win Lawsuit Over Unconstitutional Dress Code
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A federal court says a city's dress code for scantily clad coffee servers is unconstitutional. The judge ruled that by targeting women's attire, the dress code violates the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution. But the law does not violate the First Amendment, he ruled. Nor does criminalizing the baring of female breasts but not male breasts count as an unconstitutional violation.
The case comes out of Everett, Washington, where drive-up shacks featuring "bikini baristas" are popular.
In 2017, Everett passed a law prohibiting quick service food and drink peddlers from showing off certain body parts, including their stomachs, backs below the shoulder blades, and "top three inches of the legs below the buttocks." The city didn't even pretend to tie the law to food safety, instead citing concerns about potential exploitation of women and "adverse impacts upon minors."
A group of bikini baristas working sued, calling it a matter of women's rights.
In addition to instituting a dress code for baristas, the law expanded the city's definition of lewd conduct to include any exposure of "more than one-half of the part of the female breast located below the top of the areola," the "bottom one-half of the anal cleft, or any portion of the areola or nipple of the female breast," and created a new crime of facilitating lewd conduct, to target the owners of bikini barista establishments.
In December 2017, a U.S. District judge said the city could not enforce the law as the case was playing out. The city appealed, and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit Court reversed course, holding in 2019 that the lower court had been wrong. "The Ninth Circuit rejected the argument that the law violates the baristas' First Amendment right to free expression and lifted the injunction, meaning the ban is back on while the lawsuit proceeds in district court," noted Baylen Linnekin in Reason at the time.
Now, a judge has finally ruled on the merits of the case. In an October 19 opinion, U.S. District Court Judge Ricardo Martinez held that Everett's dress code is unconstitutional because it violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution.
Martinez rejected the baristas' argument that the dress code violated their right to free expression. And he let stand the city's expanded definition of lewd conduct and criminalization of "facilitating lewd conduct," ruling OK to the city's criminalization of exposure or touching of women's breasts but not of men's breasts:
Although public attitudes about gender and sexuality are constantly changing and evolving, there is simply no basis on this record to conclude that the public exposure of female breasts no longer violates the community standards of the City of Everett, or that protecting those public sensibilities is not an important government interest.
The Court finds that the City of Everett has met its burden of providing an exceedingly persuasive justification for treating the public exposure of bare breasts by females and males differently in the Ordinance, and that this is substantially related to the important governmental interest of protecting the public sensibilities of the City of Everett.
But Martinez rejected the dress code law, saying it violated the Constitution's Equal Protection Clause because it "clearly treats women differently than men by banning a wide variety of women's clothing."
"The record shows this Ordinance was passed in part to have an adverse impact on female workers at bikini barista stands," writes Martinez:
The Ordinance's ostensibly neutral classification is also an obvious pretext for
discrimination based on the law's application. Plaintiffs' expert Dr. Roberts points out that the Dress Code Ordinance prohibits clothing typically worn by women rather than men, including mid-riff and scoop-back shirts, as well as bikinis. There is
evidence in the record that the bikini barista profession, clearly a target of the Ordinance, is entirely or almost entirely female. It is difficult to imagine how this Ordinance would be equally applied to men and women in practice. It appears designed to ban not just "pasties and g-strings" or bikinis, but a wide range of women's clothing.
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According to ACLU officials, the petition comes in the Arkansas Times LP v. Waldrip lawsuit; a lawsuit filed by the ACLU and ACLU of Arkansas challenging an Arkansas state law that requires government contractors to pledge not to boycott Israel or reduce their fees by 20 percent.
The lawsuit was filed on behalf of the Arkansas Times LP, which was penalized by the government after it refused to certify that it is not boycotting Israel or Israel-controlled territories, the union said.
More on the Arkansas law in question and the legal challenge surrounding it here.
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In 2017, Everett passed a law prohibiting quick service food and drink peddlers from showing off certain body parts...
I'm sorry, I thought this was America.
In 2017, Everett passed a law prohibiting quick service food and drink peddlers from showing off certain body parts…
Everett was ahead of the curve.
So let me get this straight. They sued under the equal protection clause because men were allowed to wear bikinis?
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Apparently the Equal Protection justification was that it targeted clothes that women were choosing to wear. Not that it allowed men to do it.
It's quite a stretch.
Nevermind there were likely no examples of men engaging in the practice.
I don’t like it at all. As long as they apply the law to each gender equally it shouldn’t be an equal protection issue.
"the law expanded the city's definition of lewd conduct to include any exposure of "more than one-half of the part of the female breast located below the top of the areola," the "bottom one-half of the anal cleft, or any portion of the areola or nipple of the female breast,"
Just curious. Is the one-half measured by weight, volume or a tape measurement? And is the anal cleft measured from the anus or from the tailbone? And how would one apply for the inspector position? Asking for a friend.
Couldn't the ladies just identify as men, then there would not be any exposure of a "female breast"?
What if they identify as SCOTUS Justices?
Where do the Supremes stand on banning PBS from exposing any part of a news anchor's body to public view?
What about slow peddlers? I am thinking of an easy, rhythmic kind of slow...
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Did the woman in the picture get a splotchy spray-on tan? If so, I will gladly smooth it out even for a hamburger (and more) today! 🙂
But it’s ok for schools to have risqué drag shows for little kids. Democrats truly are to sick to live.
The three west coast states (California, Oregon and Washington) have not been America for years. They are radical far left dictatorships. Sometimes a west coast state pretends to still belong to the United States, but that is just to try and pervert the other 47 states.
To be more accurate, the Seattle to LA archipelago hasn't been America for years. They're trying to pull San Diego in to the orbit but there's too many military people there offsetting the crazy for now.
I read every single one of the over 449 comments here.
I love reason for the comments.
We could actually get rid of the articles, just have headlines and comments and it will be just as good
"NHS Warns Most Trans-Identifying Children Going Through ‘Transient Phase’"
https://news.yahoo.com/nhs-warns-most-trans-identifying-123016885.html
Did the NHS just get based? Sounds like they are lining up with conservative America, which is surprising given how completely woke-fucked Britian is.
First taking away COVID shots in kids under 6, and now this? Those limey fucks are making us look bad
They are commies 1st and are coming up with 'scientific' reasons not to payout in their socialized medical system.
The early formations of death panels.
I mean, the patients are kinda literally asking to have their old gender personas or whatever killed.
while I could see that, I would have to say I count "not paying for shit we know is bad for you with taxpayer money" as a big win, even if its for bad reasons.
I would have to say I count “not paying for shit we know is bad for you with taxpayer money” as a big win
Which says more about the interesting times we live in than the judgement of NHS bureaucrats.
Don't worry, the new WEF-approved PM will put a stop to this.
The last two were WEF grads as well, and the current Labour leader is a Trilateral Commission member, so escaping Klaus Schwab's claws isn't exactly an option for Albion.
in other words, NHS states the obvious.
Wow. I bet Rowling is a bit put off that they waited so long, but maybe now the cops will start going after the seventeen thousand rape threats she gets daily from poor oppressed transgendered incels.
The city didn't even pretend to tie the law to food safety, instead citing concerns about potential exploitation of women and "adverse impacts upon minors."
I'm okay with banning the ones inked like a Russian mobster, if that helps.
Sleeves are fine, as are leg tats. Tats above or between the breasts, anywhere on the face or neck, tramp stamps and ass tattoos - ban those. Upper back tattoos require an independent panel to adjudicate.
Sleeves are fine, as are leg tats.
Sure, if you're closeted and are trying to imagine that your partner is a merchant marine rather than a woman.
To each their own I suppose... I can appreciate the artistry of tattoos - some are truly beautiful - but I would much rather see that work on a canvas rather than someone's skin.
Would that include forehead MAGA and swastika tattoos?
A group of bikini baristas working sued, calling it a matter of women's rights.
The city knows that if baristas could have agency they wouldn't be baristas.
I think it means the coffee tastes like shit, T&A is the only thing that brings customers in the door.
You don't go to the topless barber shop for a good haircut.
Where is a topless barbershop?
Asking for a friend.
Why not? “You can go for a trim, and you can get some trim.”
"Come for a trim and a shave, cum for some trim!"
Never been to a topless barbershop. There was a "Bikini Barbershop" in the City where I live. I went there regularly. Always got a good haircut and the view was pretty good as well. I'm pretty sure Everett's law was one of the things cited by the City when they shut the shop down.
Sounds dangerous to me.
More bikini stories please.
What's wrong with Eniwetok stories?
Idiot.
You just want more stories about murdering babies and oppressing Christians. You sick fuck.
Hey, Hank can’t help it, he was born that way!
I want all my legal advice from Fiona apple, or someone else who knows nothing about it.
Yeah, getting your legal advice from the crazy cat lady who hangs out in the court room may not be the best idea. Just saying.
She’s been a bad bad girl
I always listen to bad girls.
crazy cat lady who hangs out in the court room
*Trained* crazy cat lady who hangs out in the court room.
Pressing "X" to doubt on that "trained" assertion, too.
What she needs is a good defense
Plus, does anyone really believe that bullshit about her "observations" supposedly helping people file civil rights suits? It's nothing more than a nutbag creative who's living off the residuals from "Tidal," has a dead music career, and nothing else to do with her time but watch court proceedings because she's bored.
I suspect the actual lawyers are spending about 2 seconds on her ravings before throwing them in the trash.
What does Fiona apple sat about j6?
What's weird, is that it seems that these proceedings are broadcast, but there is no defense counsel present?
Fiona Apple watches and if something shady goes down, she calls the public defender?
WTF. This process seems fubar.
I thought you were talking about the 1/6 commission for a second.
Saudi Crown Prince regularly mocks Biden for being old and senile.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11349621/Saudi-Crown-Prince-MBS-mocks-Biden-79-making-fun-gaffes-questioning-mental-acuity.html
OBL, isn’t this justification to go to war with those Arabs?
Well as we all know, nobody fucks with a Biden, so maybe so. If there ever was a president stupid enough and petty enough to start a war over something like that, Joe Biden is probably just the man for the job.
Need to concentrate our military on Biden's proxy war with the country that cheated Clinton in 2016. Hopefully it escalates to full-scale war in 2023.
#LibertariansForWarWithRussia
2022 isn’t over yet!
Don't forget Texas, the State that cheated Nixon in 1969! Their Reconstruction certificate oughtta be revoked for violating 13A.
Hey, MBS, that's our job!
I'd be shocked if there was any leader in any nation who's had to deal with Joe directly who doesn't mock his obvious senility.
My wife and I were talking about this last night. Every government in the world is laughing at us.
Even murdering autocrats occasionally display some grasp of the obvious.
-jcr
Lol what a worthless comment in a story that has nothing to do with Biden. Topnotch work there, briggs, topnotch. lmfao
On Sunday Mike was declaring the left has more decorum. Like this.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-marco-rubio-staffer-seriously-injured-after-violent-attack-for-wearing-desantis-hat-rubio-shirt
But don't worry. ABC News already doxxed him to claim he is a white supremacist despite the person they seemingly doxxed being 50 lbs heavier.
But it is different when they do it.
Sounds like they need some Kyle Rittenhouses to start canvassing in that neighborhood.
Id like to add, that if Rittenhouse hadn't been armed, the above result would have been his BEST case scenario, though they would have likely caved his skull in with that skateboard until he stopped breathing.
Weird that they are so intent on disarming everyone.
No, they would have merely beaten him unconscious, then resumed pushing a flaming dumpster into the gas station - which would have blown up the neighborhood and burned Rittenhouse and anyone else caught near the gas station to death.
If the police had not been held back from doing their job, there would have been more than three rioters shot. To me, that gas station arson attempt was attempted mass murder and a reason to shoot everyone pushing the dumpster or otherwise clearly involved.
We need thousands of Kyle Rittenhouse’s to deal with our Marxist problem.
LOOK WHAT THAT REPUBLICAN MADE HIM DO!!!!!!
ABC News already doxxed him to claim he is a white supremacist despite the person they seemingly doxxed being 50 lbs heavier.
I saw a headline about that earlier today while scrolling through the news feed on my phone. I didn't read the story because everything about the headline screamed "Fake News." I think it said something like "Attacked Marco Rubio Canvasser is Well Known White Supremacist" (paraphrasing). The alarm bells went off immediately:
1. Who would hire a "well known white supremacist" to work as a canvasser for their campaign? I'm pretty sure they would do at least some kind of background check that would catch things like that. So either the headline is stretching the definition of white supremacist to the breaking point, or they doxxed the wrong guy. Either way, it's obvious horseshit to anyone with a trace of common sense.
2. Even if they guy was a "well known white supremacist" why does that matter? The tone of the headline was clearly intended to justify a politically motivated violent attack. But I guess since it's perfectly fine to "punch nazis" (with "nazi" defined as anyone to the right of Stalin) it's all good. Just better hope those so-called "nazis" don't decide to start punching back.
"White Supremacist" = opposes progressive platform
America doesn’t have a racism problem. We have a Marxism problem.
…anyone with a trace of common sense.
An increasingly rare commodity.
“The tone of the headline was clearly intended to justify a politically motivated violent attack.”
This is where we’re at, and why the MSM is our enemy.
All Latino names sound the same. ABC can't be wrong.
Breakfast burritos ftw.
as always, just imagine if the incident were reversed.
Democrat canvasser nearly beaten to death in a MAGA neighborhood.
My god, that might generate a limitless energy machine of news coverage until the end of time.
Do you think Reason would cover it?
Hahaha I’m just kidding of course they would.
18 year old got killed based on a claim of being a maga supporter. Media barely mentioned it.
Also are you saying Jussie Smollet lied?
Nothing says “notorious white supremacists” like a name like “Christopher Monzon Cedeño”. /sarc
They've shifted since 2020 to complaining about "light-skinned Hispanics" now.
Like I said above, there's no issue here that they won't find something to complain about, so the best thing to do is tell them to go fuck themselves.
Latinx on Hispanic violence.
Words can't express how much I hate the media.
This.
She's become an avid, trained Court Watcher. Her observations helped people jailed pretrial file a civil rights lawsuit. Then came the retaliation. Shut off her access to court.
That business is too big for scrutiny.
Where does one go to get “trained” as a court watcher?
I sense a business opportunity.
"CNN's Jake Tapper hit for wondering why there wasn't 'national conversation' on school closures"
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-jake-tapper-hit-wondering-wasnt-national-conversation-school-closures
Cant think of a reason why this wouldn't be covered...
Oh ya! CNN, NPR, Wapo, NYT, MSNBC having daily death counters and silencing any concern about kids developement and learning by saying you are a bigoted, racist, grandma killing uncaring mean person who doesnt CARE! I think that's why the conversation was difficult to have. They chose the narrative and pseudoscience (THE science) over reality.
People are waking up.
And then taking the blue pill.
LOL
Tom Cotton accidentally explains why everyone should vote Democrat. 🙂
If you think we should release violent felons from prison, vote Democrat. If you think we should keep violent felons locked up, vote Republican. It's really that simple.
It sure is! That's why we Koch / Reason libertarians vote Democrat.
#FreeTheCriminals
#EmptyThePrisons
Imprisoning violent felons is racism.
Just discovered my next screen name: anal cleft.
I support this decision.
Try for a personalized license plate.
Sounds like a good band name too.
No way!
Tulsi Gabbards Anal Cleft?
Only if she makes it on to a gop ticket as vp for ‘24.
NHS in Britain admits most kids with gender dysphoria dont maintain dysphoria through puberty.
https://pjmedia.com/culture/lincolnbrown/2022/10/24/nhs-makes-a-shocking-admission-in-many-cases-gender-dysphoria-disappears-as-children-reach-puberty-n1639459
They recommend to slow down on the transition thing.
Monsters.
Slow down? Strike while the iron is hot! Kid so much as likes pink cotton candy, chop his dick off.
Great! Now that'll be a birth-control plank in the next Republican platform.
The Republican's have a birth-control plank that doesn't consist of "be fruitful and multiply"?
Do you even believe your own bullshit, Hank?
Have you SEEN the lines at the NHS gender swap clinics?
I think they call them "queues" in the UK.
Did you misspell 'queers'?
would you say they've decided to cut it out?
They recommend to slow down on the transition thing.
Their big pharma overlords (those hormone pills a puberty blockers have to come from somewhere) aren't gonna take that sitting down.
Luckily for them they have an army of pink and blue haired Twidiots willing to unironically shill for them while simultaneously bitching about "DeH KkKOrPoRaYsHuNZ MaN!!!!11!11!!!!!!"
No shit. Kids go through weird phases sometimes. Who knew?
Thank fuck my goth phase wasn't permanent.
Newly released emails show prosecutor Kim Gartner knew no pictures existed for when she went after Greitens in a claim extortion suit to end his political career.
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/exclusive-docs-reveal-forces-aided-soros-funded-prosecutor-who
I think the bigger deal there was that the alleged victim did not want to even go public with this. So an activist prosecutor publicly ruined someone's life & reputation to go fishing on a partisan political prosecution.
Greitens is a POS, I'm glad he's gone to be honest, but Gardner is awful.
“and a conviction for evidence tampering against her chief investigator, former FBI Agent William Tisaby.”
Abolish the FBI.
"Critics explode on Biden for claiming student loan payout passed Congress"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critics-explode-on-biden-for-claiming-student-loan-payout-passed-congress-really-bizarre/ar-AA13kfYv
Somehow completely absent from the usual fact checkers and MSM, though. That's strange I remember daily articles from CNN saying "No POTUS Trump, this thing DIDNT happen" in their always condescending fashion.
The president either is trying to lie about this, or more likely, his brain is so full of swiss cheese holes that he is just walking around signing whatever paper they put in front of him, with minimal attachment to reality.
His dementia is on full display, and they cant hide it anymore.
They don’t want to hide it. It’s more fun rubbing it in our faces.
^
Cool.
In an end of the free world, we are so fucked kind of way.
This is the point, close enough before the 2 year mark of the inauguration, where if they want to do the 25A trick and dump him for ten years of Kammie, that they'd start letting this stuff show up in public.
Every week he gets worse. This can't go on forever. The only question is when he finally is so out of it, he is not even able to appear in public or he does appear and in public and does something so shocking that the media can't cover it up. It is just a matter of time.
What’s the over / under on when his wiener makes an appearance?
I give six month. And that is my bet on how this ends. He just whips it out while sniffing some little girl or something.
The bigger question is, do they try to 25th him within the next 10 weeks while the Dems still have a majority of Congress? Otherwise, Harris will have to settle for a VP who may not be to her liking.
I don't think they will. They are screwed anyway. If Harris became President, she could no longer break the tie in the Senate to confirm her replacement as VP.
Maybe. If they do it within the next 10 weeks, they still have the House, and might get a lame duck Republican to go along in the Senate. Afterward, all bets are off as the House and Senate are likely to be controlled by the GOP. I doubt that Harris will get a VP who is as like-minded as she is under that regime.
Given what I've seen so far, I don't really expect Joe to make it to January 20, 2025. The alternative is a repeat of Woodrow and Edith Wilson, with a side of Weekend at Bernie's.
might get a lame duck Republican to go along in the Senate.
I can see Mitt Romney, Cocaine Mitch, that bitch from Maine, or Senator Butters getting on board with this. Romney (and probably Liz Cheney, as well) will be openly pushing to get the VP spot.
I can legitimately see them putting Romney in the seat in a situation like that, just so they can claim "bipartisanship."
It's basically like Evan McMullin claiming he's not going to caucus with Democrats even though they specifically did him the favor of not running a candidate so he'd have a better chance to beat Lee. Anyone who isn't a moron or willfully obtuse believes that Romney will be anything in that scenario but a swing vote for the Dems when the media starts demanding he put "country over party."
I think that's why this stuff has been getting put on display so much lately, but it's possible that it's just too much to cover up at this point.
More likely, he'll have to tie his coat around his waist and run off the stage like JoePa did at the Shoe.
Didn't that already happen with the Pope?
Poop John Paul II?
He can do the Jerry Nadler shuffle.
Where's Jackie? Is she here?
He got lost on the whitehouse lawn again yesterday.
Did he go out for a nap? After looking for Jackie?
does something so shocking that the media can’t cover it up
It's only a matter of time before he staggers out during a press briefing wearing nothing but a pair of boxers and starts chasing Jeanne Pierre whats-her-name around the room yelling something about how in the old days it was perfectly acceptable for "the master to bugger the help."
He doesn't sniff black kids.
I remember daily articles from CNN saying “No POTUS Trump, this thing DIDNT happen” in their always condescending fashion.
Even for things that required a rather active and/or willfully obtuse misinterpretation in their favor.
Claim: Trump says the FBI wiretapped his phone and you need ID to do mundane things like drive a car and buy groceries.
Check: Mostly false. People don’t use land line phones anymore, there are no wires to tap and you don’t need an ID to buy groceries.
The wiretap one was especially egregious. The FBI spying on the president should have been a huge story regardless of the particulars.
I forget, how did Reason cover that story again?
Be fair. Biden could be referring to the vote around the big table that he witnessed from his chair by the window.
he is just walking around signing whatever paper they put in front of him, with minimal attachment to reality.
A short reenactment of a typical day.
Congressional Democrats now want Joe Biden to start directly negotiating with Russia.
It appears they've had a change of heart in the light of the early morning.
Have to do something to increase the odds of a nuclear war.
Didn't we already have three when Trump's crazy finger was on the button?
It was a lot of fun, let’s do it again!
Vote for parties committed to the initiation of deadly force. That's always brought war in the past.
Well,
War of 1812: Democrat predecessors
Mexican War: Democrats
Civil War: Democrats
WWI: Democrats
WWII: Democrats (admittedly, we were attacked here, but Team D was in power)
Korean War: Democrats
Vietnam War: Democrats
Yes, vote for Democrats for war.
WWIII: Trump
WWIV: Trump
Boom. Got him.
In perhaps the most telling vote, the Iraq war was started with strong Democratic support, according to Wikipedia: “Introduced in Congress on October 2, 2002 in conjunction with the Administration's proposals, H.J.Res. 114 passed the House of Representatives on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 p.m. EDT on October 10, 2002 by a vote of 296-133, and passed the Senate after midnight early Friday morning at 12:50 a.m. EDT on October 11, 2002 by a vote of 77-23. It was signed into law as Pub.L. 107-243 by President Bush on October 16, 2002.” Eighty-two Democrats (40%) supported the action in the House and 29 Democrats (50%) in the Senate also supported the action. In fact, the Democrats+Jeffords(I-VT) as a bloc had a 51-49 majority in the Senate, yet they still passed the bill.
Senate Democrats voting for the resolution were:
Sens. Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Biden (D-DE), Breaux (D-LA), Cantwell (D-WA), Carnahan (D-MO), Carper (D-DE), Cleland (D-GA), Clinton (D-NY), Daschle (D-SD), Dodd (D-CT), Dorgan (D-ND), Edwards (D-NC), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Hollings (D-SC), Johnson (D-SD), Kerry (D-MA), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Lieberman (D-CT), Lincoln (D-AR), Miller (D-GA), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Schumer (D-NY), and Torricelli (D-NJ).
Well, to be fair, one could argue that Republicans started the war that deprived the Democrats of their slaves...
-jcr
ROFL
Haven't I been saying for years that "progressive Democrats" and "socialists" are ultimately servants of the billionaire-friendly, neocon-approved party establishment — a gimmick through which wannabe rebellious young people can pretend they're FIGHTING THE POWER?
#OBLsFirstLaw
Hispanics in Florida are supporting DeSantis.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/floridas-hispanic-voters-back-desantis-over-crist-support-sending-illegal-aliens-to-marthas-vineyard-left-wing-poll
Apologies. As jeff said Sunday I mean white Europeans identifying as Hispanic.
The KIDNAPPER and HUMAN TRAFFICKER? I refuse to believe that.
#LizCheney2024
No true brown person.
"You ain't
blackbrown."I mean, most of them aren't. More an off-white.
At least the few that DeathSantis didn't kill off.
Hopefully, Chelsea Handler will show up soon and explain to them that they aren't allowed to think for themselves.
So spanyards?
No good, I've known too many Spaniards!
...challenging an Arkansas state law that requires government contractors to pledge not to boycott Israel or reduce their fees by 20 percent.
You know who else tried to boycott the Jews?
They are just trying to Jew them down on prices.
Kanye West?
The merchant of Venice?
Professional sports?
The Misek clan?
Haahvad?
Speaking of that lousy little Puritan indoctrination center, it seems that a certain "eminent legal scholar" took the time out of his busy day to demonstrate that you're never too old to be a snotty little lefturd cunt.
The press would have gone nuclear if Trump had taken a shot at any left wing female like Tribe just took at Kari Lake.
-jcr
China boycotted the USA after the Boxer Opium War, and the Teedy Roosevelt Administration immediately set to threatening U.S. citizens and enterprise with deadly force to please the Qing Dynasty. Blacks boycotted white businesses when government buses and corporate drugstores shut them out--just as you and I would have done. But now DeSantis wields the resulting Lyndon Law as a club to silence dissent. What's wrong with ignoring boycotts rather than exploiting them to replace elections and the Bill of Rights?
Desantis is the Governor of Arkansas too? That’s impressive.
Clarence Thomas issues a temporary order preventing Lindsey Graham from having to testify in the Georgia election-interference probe.
If only it came with a gag order.
Or was it a ball gag? I can never remember.
Don't blame me... I voted for Anita Hill.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/25/big-banks-and-credit-card-giants-just-greenlit-a-plan-to-track-your-gun-store-purchases/
The ISO (International Organization for Standardization), is a non-governmental international organization that establishes various market standards, including codes for payment transactions, and set forth the new merchant category code (MCC) for credit and debit transactions at U.S. gun stores. The MCC applies to all transactions conducted with a merchant identified as a gun store. Previously, under this system, purchases made in gun stores would be identified as “general merchandise.” Breaking with this established tradition in favor of the newer regulations, Visa, Mastercard, and American Express stated they will adopt the code.
At this point, I really don't think it is wise to purchase a gun from a gun dealer. Get one privately at a gun show. Buying from a dealer means going on the banks and government's list as a gun owner. There is a very real chance everyone who has ever purchased a gun that way will wake up one day and find their bank accounts and credit cards canceled.
That would be tens of millions of people.
It would be. And granted it seems crazy. But we live in very crazy times. And if not all ten million, perhaps a big chunk of them.
According to a 2017 Pew research poll:
“Today, three-in-ten U.S. adults say they own a gun, and an additional 36% say that while they don’t own one now, they might be open to owning a gun in the future. A third of adults say they don’t currently own a gun and can’t see themselves ever doing so.”
That’s a hundred million gun owners, another hundred million potential gun owners, and finally a hundred million pussies.
There is safety in numbers. But I don't trust these people.
Me neither. But the logistics of disarming two thirds of the country without people standing up for themselves seems daunting at best.
He's not talking about disarming he's talking about deplatforming.
That is definitely doable.
So you take a couple hundred million armed people and deprive them of means to participate in the economy.
I wonder what will happen next.
i dont think for a minute that certain elements in this country dont want to do that.
Just like how a small minority of freaks have convinced major communication platforms to ban you for not agreeing with gender ideology.
I heard a podcast with the Reload guy yesterday, and he made an interesting argument about the scale of the number of guns in this country.
So, let's say we had a forced gun buy back, like Australia. If we got 90% compliance, an extremely high percentage and much higher than Australia ever got, then we'd still have approximately 10 million gun owners in the US, with approximately 30-40 million guns out there. This brings about, regardless of any feelings on the gun grabbers part, something of the futility of any attempt they would be making.
And it should be noted how much stupider debanking/platforming would be.
Eliminate 90% of the gun owners and you’re left with 10M people who own guns. Deplatform 90% of the gun owners and you’ve got ~100M people who are between fully armed ‘with nothing to lose’ and fully armed ‘and none too happy about what you did to the other 90% of us’.
I used to own guns, but I lost them in a tragic boating accident.
My ice fishing Shack cough fire. Lost em all
This is the way.
If I had a gun I certainly wouldn't be telling Pee-Yew about it!
Balance the budget and crush inflation by shrinking the money supply!
They will use the list selectively by cross referencing it with other lists. Like political affiliation.
Again this isn't the process. The process is to get your local gun store to start selling more non-firearms related merchandise and identify as a 'outdoor sporting goods store' merchant than a 'gun store'. Get the soccer mom/yoga pants wives into the store and let them have their way with sales and inventory decisions the way they did with Wal-Mart, Dick's, Galyans, Gander Mountain, etc., etc., etc.
An effort that "Don't buy from a gun store." is actively helping.
You know how we know we had record firearms sales in the last couple of years? It wasn't because of private sales on the DL even if they did out number FFL sales.
Ok?
That would be tens of millions of people.
More. It's not counting the people who actually bought guns. If you stopped in for ammo with your old lady and she saw some non-firearms-related merchandise she liked and bought, she goes on record as having made a purchase at a gun store even if she didn't buy any guns, ammo, or firearms accessories. If you didn't buy anything, you don't.
Briggs' advice is actually really obviously self-defeating. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't buy privately or from a local gun shop but, but if you advise people to stop buying from FFL-licensed dealers, you shouldn't be surprised if FFL-licensed dealers go away. Especially if encouraging people to go buy accessories, ammo, kit components, and even just general merch completely thwarts the regulatory scheme anyway.
Pay with cash.
^This right here
I'm still not clear what would happen if you bought a shotgun from Walmart. They're not a dedicated guns store. Would that bypass these new rules?
Looking past Wal-Mart's "No guns. No ammo." corporate policy (which is observed piecemeal), yes, it would 'bypass' these new rules.
Again, the (false) assumption is that the goal is to track firearms sales. It's not. Visa/MC don't, themselves track the goods involved in any given transaction. It's not possible. The point of the code change is to coerce people out of dedicated gun stores and/or merchants to avoid doing business as a dedciated gun shop.
If I wanted to shut Ford down but was legally unable to find Ford liable for selling a car that kills people, a law that drives customers away from Ford dealerships would be the next best thing. Even if Ford began moving inventory through private transactions on used-car lots, the used car lots would be easily identifiable and could be forced to re-register as dealers.
The point is to get paranoid people to buy guns and ammo from sporting goods stores instead of the local gun shop?
No. Drive the idiosyncratically paranoid to begging on the street corners. Force everyone else to wade through the soccer cleats and yoga pants, and all the AWFL people buying them, in order to buy the latest offerings from the best manufacturers.
There is a very real chance everyone who has ever purchased a gun that way will wake up one day and find their bank accounts and credit cards canceled.
Probably not everyone, at least not at first. They'll start with anyone who owns an "AR-15" (defined as any scary looking black rifle) and/ or anyone who owns more than some arbitrary number of guns, like maybe 4 or 5. Then they'll slowly expand from there.
Or just pay in cash.
Pay cash. Several gun stores I've been in give a cash discount, too.
Reason already covered that a month ago.
If you bothered to actually read the article this is continuing actions. But that would be too difficult for you.
Why in the world would I read something that you linked?
You wouldn’t. You prefer remaining ignorant on most topics. We have been over this.
Yet you jumped in with an assertion based on that ignorance for some reason.
So what is your real motivation here? It isnt educating yourself. So what is it?
I read your posts in the voice of a sneering child. Makes more sense that way.
Why? Because you admitted you don't read things? What is inaccurate? You literally state you refuse to read a link yet had a need to respond to it.
Nothing you posted was new. I'm under no obligation to read entire articles that you link to. If your article has something new, quote that. If it doesn't, then you're full of shit. As usual.
Afraid to look.
You win the prize for the most childish post of the day!
Then maybe keep your fucking mouth shut on the topic in the first place.
Or at least dont admit you're an ignorant shit after making a non sequitur comment regarding the post.
Another behavior adopted for Mike.
The federalist actually discussed the actions before Reason, yet for some reason sarc thinks mentioning it is responsive.
Also there's no point in answering your questions. You've proved that you do not argue in good faith, you have no intellectual honesty, and you're only here to score points. So score some more points for your girls. I'm sure they're chomping at the bit to see your next snide insult.
Like making an accusation for something you refuse to read?
This is hilarious. You admit to intentional ignorance, respond with an incorrect assumption based post, then get mad when someone points out your assumption was wrong.
You truly are an idiot.
What accusation? I simply said that Reason covered it a month ago. What you posted said nothing different from what was already covered. Also it's implied that whenever someone posts a link it's because "leftist Reason" refuses to cover the story, so if anyone was making an accusation it was you.
If your story has "continuing actions," then quote that instead of sneeringly demanding that others read the entire article for you and calling them names if they don't.
“Also it’s implied that whenever someone posts a link it’s because “leftist Reason” refuses to cover the story, so if anyone was making an accusation it was you.”
That’s news to…everyone.
I would love to see his citation on the implication. He often says we aren't allow to imply his defense of the left into his posts. Almost seems hypocritical.
The fact is Reason has been behind on the story. This was new information. Sarc rejects it because of his leftist bias. That is the implications of his responses.
Was it "leftist" Reason that published how government expropriated the Love Canal, built a playground on it and tore it open so chemicals could leak out?
And since JesseAz refuses to quote this supposedly new information from the article, I can only conclude that he is being dishonest. As usual.
Nobody cares what you conclude.
You think Jesse actually reads the articles? He is just here to push Team Red agitprop.
I sense bias in your post.
You post appears biased.
Are you being biased, Jeff?
Who? Must be a victim of the Moot Lewser button... no big loss.
Luckily no one has bothered muting you, Hank Phillips. Your increasing senility is hilarious.
Breaking with this established tradition in favor of the newer regulations, Visa, Mastercard, and American Express stated they will adopt the code.
So, I need to find a gun shop that takes Discover.
Cash gold or bitcoin.
Yeah, I would consider the "Visa, MC, and AMEX" a statement of broad, industry consensus rather than identifying principled holdouts.
Discover was tracking gun sales as "suspicious purchases" twenty years ago.
Diner's Club?
Pay cash only, and only buy at gun shows or from your buddy while meeting in an empty parking lot after dark.
The former is still a solution. The latter, while still unquestionably defensible, is not.
You wind up with a situation where firearms manufacturers are strictly beholden to a government-controlled market selling exclusively or near-exclusively to militaries and LEOs (and, JFC, the IRS and DOE).
So, after 30 yrs. of buying second (and lower) hand at ramshackle markets after dark, everybody just assumes private citizens don’t get nice, new guns the way everybody in NJ or NYC now just assumes that gun stores keep track of their customers’ purchases or that you have to get a license to buy a silencer. And the people who’ve been saying “Buy at gun shows.” for 3 decades, even if they do refute the idea of being disparately armed by point out ‘defense against tyranny’, will be regarded as kooks because they’ve been telling everyone to avoid gun shops for 30 yrs.
And you call yourself A Cynical Asshole.
Gun shows are filled with FFL dealers, where normal Form 4473 protocols reign. Some private sellers are at gun shows, true, but not enough to satisfy the demand.
“I don’t think any state or anybody should have the right to do that,” Biden said of restrictions on transgender treatments for minors. “As a moral question or as a legal question, I just think it’s wrong.”
Is gender dysphoria a real illness? Yes or no?
If "no", then fine - ban transgender surgeries because they really are 'mutilating kids'.
But if "yes", then what should the proper treatment be, and who should decide? You? Politicians? Biden? Trump?
Do you need the links to why Britain and Europe are slowing down on transitions again? I mean 2 links just above show NHS guidance in Britain.
But yes jeff, keep mutilating children. Ignore the detransition rates sky rocketing. Ignore the permanent damage from transitioning. Just continue being ignorant.
1. Is gender dysphoria a real illness? Yes or no?
2. If "yes", then who should decide on the proper treatment? You? Politicians? Or, doctors, patients, parents and counselors? Hmm?
I think history will look unfavorably on doctors who are pushing these treatments.
^ this. We will look at them the same as we currently look at the old days of lobotomies and blood-letting, and wonder, why in the hell did we let the inmates run the asylum again?
Or the doctors who prescribed thalidomide.
The point that chemfat continually ignores, because he's such an establishment boot-licker, is that just because someone has a credential by their name doesn't mean what they're doing isn't fucked up. "Do this because we're experts" isn't any more logical than "Do this because we say so."
“Do this because we’re experts”
And as previously discussed in threads about this topic, almost their entire argument is a big appeal to authority.
"Trust our hand picked experts, many of whom are on the left and benefiting directly from this, on this extremely controversial, experimental, irreversible treatment without any significant long term studies...because they are experts so shut up
And stop looking at the studies showing a net benefit to point out the flaws in the surveys and studies!!!
“And who are prescribing medications and surgeries that they’ve blatantly admitted they’re getting a shit-ton of money for because it turns the patient into a life-long customer for those services.”
Dr Mengele did nothing wrong in their minds be cause he was the State expert after all.
It's going to be complicated. Does it help someone somewhere? Probably. But as it becomes a trend, with websites out there that teach people what to say to a doctor to get the diagnoses they want, you're going to see more people swept up in a pretty dramatic thing.
And people who are sad will often reach for extreme measures. An example that struck me was how often people with severe bipolar disorder would fantasize about Electro-Convulsive Therapy (aka shock therapy). ECT has pretty known bad side effects, and it is very stressful on the body overall. It's not given out as much these days, but there is some evidence it helps some people. And the rare people who are helped by it show a pretty dramatic turn around. This makes it extremely appealing to desperate people. All you have to do is show up, suffer for a bit, and be cured. It's low personal effort and high impact.
The problem is for most people it doesn't really help, and I've known two people personally who it was their last step before ultimately killing themselves. The lasting impact of the ECT, combined with the disappointment that their cure-all didn't cure anything, finally made them give up and end it.
It’s going to be complicated. Does it help someone somewhere? Probably. But as it becomes a trend, with websites out there that teach people what to say to a doctor to get the diagnoses they want, you’re going to see more people swept up in a pretty dramatic thing.
Shit, you want to know the main reason why KiwiFarms really got knocked out? It wasn’t because of any actual violations of Cloudflare’s TOS. It was because the commenters there got in a slapfight with a mentally ill Twitch streamer who was sponsoring a website that provided a DIY hormone replacement “recipe book” for kids to make their own HRT drugs in their bathtub, and the streamer happened to be on speaking terms at the time with a tranny ex-Google employee with connections to former co-workers in Cloudflare that got the site taken down. Not surprisingly, the streamer stopped sponsoring the site when his shady internet activity started coming out, including him bragging about grooming minors to become trans and pointing them to the recipe book.
just warning you, of all the hills to die on, this might be one of the worst choices.
aye
And that's saying something, considering chemtard's choices of hills to die on in the past.
1) Eh, hard to say. Since there has been an increasing conflation of mental illness with other types of illnesses when, in most cases, they are very different in their form and their diagnosis. All medicine has a risk of getting caught up in political trends, or trends in general. Psychiatry is most prone to this out of any field because the diagnosis is so symptom based rather than more concrete measures. Go ahead and read Szasz if you're interested in where libertarian thinking and psychiatry overlap in an interesting way. But, as someone who has worked in the mental health field, I think it's fair to say that the field is prone to falling for trends. See, ADD in the 90s. I will not go on on this topic further.
2) And so, let's presume you wanted me to say "yes" to the above. Considering the position psychiatrists hold, and that mental patients are among the populations most likely to be abused, it's not absurd to give some further scrutiny to the decision making here. Lobotomies were once the cutting edge of helping those with various mental illnesses. Getting swept up in that trend did a lot of harm, and so there is value in slowing down at times.
You're such a dishonest piece of shit. It's always apparent, but never more painfully so than when you think you've found a gotcha. I just really hope you're not a parent and never become one. Jesus.
But if “yes”, then what should the proper treatment be, and who should decide? You? Politicians? Biden? Trump?
People have answered this question or some variation of it dozens of times, you disingenuous fuck. You seem to think this response is super-clever, as you repeat it constantly. It isn’t. And it’s been answered. What are you trying to accomplish by asking it repeatedly? No one is giving you internet points for your brilliant take-down.
If this groomer shitheel answered his own question honestly, he'd have to say "Politicians," but only, of course, if they were in his tribe.
Is pedophilia a real illness? Yes or no?
If “no”, then fine – ban pedophilia because they really are ‘molesting kids’.
But if “yes”, then what should the proper treatment be and who should decide? You? Politicians? Biden? Trump?
I think it may be a real illness, but rare. Just like we know that there are rare physical conditions of hermaphroditism or XXY chromosomes, there could even be gender dysphoria resulting from a person's having some particular gene expression.
However, it is also clear there is a fad or trend for pre-teens and teens, especially girls in areas with progressive political beliefs, to consider themselves transgender or gender fluid.
As a libertarian, I don't feel it is my place to use the force of government here.
And, I gotta run, so will write more later...
To repeat myself, I know a LOT of San Francisco Bay Area progressives from having lived there for decades (before moving away). Unlike most conservatives, who aren’t personally familiar with families with transgender and gender fluid children, I know several.
What I have personally observed is there is a trend, especially among pre-teen girls, to identify as gender fluid.
As another commenter here put it, it’s like COVID — the more widespread it became the milder it became: same here — instead of identifying as transgender these girls are identifying as gender fluid. They aren’t asking for hormone blockers or surgeries; they are merely dressing androgynously and asking to be called by a different name with certain pronouns, and maybe experimenting with bisexuality. OK, all of that might horrify a conservative parent, but it is milder than your kid coming home and saying they want to change their gender.
The one boy I know who used to say that he feels like he is really a girl no longer says that. He changed his name from a girl’s name to an androgynous name and now says that he is gender fluid rather than transgender.
Anyway, this anecdote speaks to the good old American value of minding your own business and the libertarian principle that if you leave the government out of a social problem it will tend to sort itself out.
I predict most of these girls will at some point go back to their original names, get married, drive minivans, and look back toward their gender fluid days with a little embarrassment and a laugh.
Unlike most conservatives, who aren’t personally familiar with families with transgender and gender fluid children, I know several.
You've made this bald assertion a primary part of your argument multiple times.
Cite?
Yes, it's a real mental illness. It should be treated as such. And the last thing you do when treating mental illness is just take a patient's word for what is going on and accept all their delusions as reality. The "affirmative care" thing is particularly awful. It's basically failing to do your job as a mental health-care professional.
The problem is that people with these mental illnesses are making the rules, deciding what is or isn't a mental illness, and determining treatment. Of course they're going to recommend "affirmative care" because to do otherwise would mean admitting to their own mental illness.
This goes back to a fundamental problem that the entire field of psychology rarely engages in any real science.
Conservatives are not just imagining that some public school teachers and public librarians are pushing progressive gender politics. They are within their rights to want to pass laws to counter that.
It is debatable whether the laws they have passed in, say, Florida overreach.
It’s basically failing to do your job as a mental health-care professional.
I disagree. It's failing to do your job as a rational human being.
As I’ve pointed out here before, and nobody has produced any evidence otherwise, doctors in the US will not currently do “bottom” or genital surgery on anyone under 18. So, anyone who goes around saying we need laws to protect children from genital surgery for gender dysphoria is culture warrioring over a non-problem.
That leaves “top” surgery. While I personally agree that children shouldn’t be getting their breasts removed or augmented because of a gender dysphoria diagnosis, I don’t see that it is my place as a libertarian to use the force of government to prevent it.
For one thing, teenage girls have been getting boob jobs for years, and nobody said anything. Why suddenly the feigned concern from conservative culture warriors?
Yet again false. You have been given hospital websites and comments from members of WPATH.
If someone comes to a surgeon with body dysmorphia saying "Doc, these legs need to come off, I identify as an amputee." the surgeon sends the patient for psychiatric help.
If someone comes to a surgeon with body dysmorphia saying "Doc, these breasts need to come off, I identify as a man", the surgeon will say "How's Tuesday sound for you?"
Actually, they’ll be referred to a psychiatrist in both scenarios.
It really is sad when Biden takes the libertarian view on things, that when treating an illness, it should be up to patients and parents and doctors and counselors to make decisions on proper treatments, not politicians.
Do you understand that you are being more authoritarian than Joe F’n Biden here?
Yes. Libertarians should support permanently damaging children. Your same arguments can be switched out directly for fucking kids. Which is your real goal.
Libertarians should support getting government out of health care. Hasn't that been the libertarian mantra for a while now?
If you acknowledge that gender dysphoria is a real illness, then it should be up to patients, parents, doctors and counselors to decide on the best course of action. Not you, not Biden, not Trump. Get it?
Libertarians should support getting government out of health care
You mean like when government bureaucrats start the gender transition process at schools without notifying parents?
Notice even in this statement jeff ignores the harm to children.
Libertarians should support getting government out of health care. Hasn’t that been the libertarian mantra for a while now?
If the hospitals weren't taking government funding, you might have a point here.
We know you are not a libertarian in the slightest, you have no qualms in using state coercion to enact your will on others. So I am not surprised that you want to use one type of government coercion - state funding - in order to justify your own type of government coercion.
Weak deflection, chemfat--you're just pissed that your argument got blown to smithereens so easily.
Has he made any argument that isn't a glaring fallacy? He has posed a false dilemma and tried to lend it extra weight with an argument from authority, and he's using no true Scotsman to shield himself from criticisms ("You're not a real libertarian!"), but not only that, he's just being dishonest. He totally does think politicians should decide this issue, just not politicians like DeSantis.
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
Jeff will never acknowledge democrats are trying to put these expensive procedures in government funded Healthcare and want to require all plans to cover them.
The doctors and pharma companies pushing this have oceans of money to make from creating lifelong patients. The "educators" pushing this are the tip of the indoctrination spear for the left. The parents pushing this are doing it for the asspats from their tribe. Everything the left says about this issue is a rat's nest of conflicting interests.
Amazing how the right has adopted the pharma is all about corporate greed playbook.
Cite?
Mutilating children isn’t health care, it’s child abuse.
If parents and their priest decide the best course to treat a troubled child is for the priest to fuck them, is it authoritarian to stop them? Hmm?
If you acknowledge that COVID is a real illness, then it should be up to patients, parents, doctors and counselors to decide on the best course of action. Not you, not Biden, not Trump. Get it?
Yeah, but, but…BEARS IN TRUNKS!!!
COVID is an airborne contagious disease.
Cutting off body parts won’t cure mental illness.
Maybe that decision should be left up to doctors, patients, parents and counselors. Sound good?
Doctors used to think lobotomies were cool too.
Also there was a time when pedophilia was widely accepted. Hey, the adult and kid/teen both consented to it and were happy, who is the govt to stand in their way?
Chemjeff longs to revive "the good ol' days."
“there was a time when pedophilia was widely accepted”
Yes, Jane Austin wrote about it.
Just ask Sleepy Joe and Buttplug. They seem to still think its acceptable.
John Money is chemfat's Dalai Lama.
Did you know that lobotomies are not actually illegal?
They are illegal in many ways:
If you do a lobotomy on a person, to treat a condition, said person (well at that point, their family) can/will come after you and sue for malpractice and causing significant harm, so there would be for sure an easily winnable civil case.
The state would also then go after you on criminal charges, being that you are doing a procedure that causes known harm and is demonstrated not to treat anything (and no, cutting the corpus collosum for epilepsy isnt in the same category, before you try and use that strawman). Oh also we have known its not a good idea to just cut out some brain tissue for quite some time.
So yes, they are illegal.
I'd rather a law not be necessary and the medical profession come to its senses about childhood transitions.
Even if transitioning is the answer for some people (and I think it might be for a very small number of people), it's not an easy or comfortable solution. You'll spend your whole life dependent on various pharmaceuticals and in many cases have a body that doesn't really function sexually or reproductively. How is it not obviously preferable to treat it as a psychiatric issue?
So, as I write elsewhere on this page the only type of gender surgery being performed on children under 18 in the US is breast or “top” surgery.
Should breast enhancement and reduction surgeries for cosmetic reasons, unrelated to gender dysphoria, be made illegal, too?
Those types of surgeries have been going on for decades with no concern. Indeed, I’ve seen many instances in my life of appreciation expressed over breast enhancement surgeries performed on teenage girls.
So, as I write elsewhere on this page the only type of gender surgery being performed on children under 18 in the US is breast or “top” surgery.
Should breast enhancement and reduction surgeries for cosmetic reasons, unrelated to gender dysphoria, be made illegal, too?
LOL at this shit attempt at a gotcha. Who the fuck would support a minor getting breast implants if she didn't need to do so for physiological reasons, like causing legitimate back pain, instead of say, "Ms. Strong said that all this discomfort with my looks means I'm actually a boy"?
Minors shouldn't get hormone replacement drugs if they don't actually need them either, fuckface. Go fuck yourself with this stupid argument.
Indeed, I’ve seen many instances in my life of appreciation expressed over breast enhancement surgeries performed on teenage girls.
LOL, fuck, what a creeper.
"Indeed, I’ve seen many instances in my life of appreciation expressed over breast enhancement surgeries performed on teenage girls."
Odds that the person expressing the appreciation was Mike? Seriously, how do these people say this stuff out loud and then get confused when we call them groomers.
Masectomies and breast tissue reduction are different things retard.
Boob jokes appearing just in today’s commentariat:
https://reason.com/video/2022/10/25/that-fuzzy-blob-is-not-a-ufo/?comments=true#comment-9761110
We're fine with you cutting your own dick off, Mike, we just disagree with you that minor girls should be allowed to have their own boobs removed, you stupid boob.
https://reason.com/2022/10/25/bikini-baristas-win-lawsuit-over-unconstitutional-dress-code/?comments=true#comment-9761032
We don’t even let kids get tattoos.
We dont let them take hormones that align with their ACTUAL biological sex.
Give a body-building teen boy with body dysmorphia anabolic steroids and testosterone? CPS is coming for your ass
Chop off a girls tits and give her testosterone? State-approved!
The devious angle they're starting to take now is, "Well, teenagers have been getting hormone blockers for decades without any issues!" Yeah, for actual medical issues due to physiological problems, not because they're feeling awkward due to going through puberty and being told by the Cluster B crowd at their school and on reddit that they're actually the gender other than what their biological DNA provided.
Just a daily reminder that nothing the left argues is ever in good faith, and should be rejected as a matter of course.
Ya and a lot of their "years of data" they cite is in fact on using puberty blockers on cases of more extreme precocious puberty.
They try and extrapolate that out to having year of experience with:
- using puberty blockers on completely normal kids
- using hormone replacement (opposite gender hormones) on kids with precocious puberty
- using hormone replacement on completely normal kids
All of these scenarios are absolutely not true, and the most concerning thing is they are gaslighting normies into saying "we can absolutely just pause puberty / this in no way affects fertility" with a straight face like you are choosing from a set menu of options or dialing this in with sniper precision when it is a complete lie.
Note that Mike up above is doing this tactic, only for breast surgeries. But he's not a left-winger, no sirree.
And they can do sports too! Use steroids otherwise, no sports for you.
In most places tattoos on kids are legal *with parental consent*.
So what was your point again? That treatment on a child for a
medical condition shouldn't occur without parental consent? We agree!
But, just like with tattoos, it shouldn't be illegal with parental consent.
"But, just like with tattoos, it shouldn’t be illegal with parental consent."
What if the parent and child agree the kid would be better off and happier if they were allowed to get wasted drunk? To do heroine? To hang out in the garage with the car on? To fuck adults? To cut off a finger? What if said parent helps them cut off the finger?
You realize the people arguing for this stuff are the same ones that would have a parent hanged if their kid drowned in a backyard pool that didnt have a properly govt approved fence built around it right? The extreme cognitive dissonance that is on display is frightening.
Are all of those things being done to treat a diagnosed, valid medical condition?
You realize the people arguing for this stuff are the same ones...
Are you arguing against a tribe, or are you arguing against an idea? Make up your mind,
"Are all of those things being done to treat a diagnosed, valid medical condition?"
If an expert comes along in 5 minutes and says "yes" would that all of a sudden make it OK to you? Is your argument nothing more than a very weak appeal to 'authority' which is based on an extremely ideological, biased, group of 'experts'?
Seriously, someone comes along tomorrow and says "you know, there has been a huge decline in sex among pre-teen and teenaged people. This represents anhedonia, a symptom of depression, and the proper treatment is an adult showing them the benefits of sex". It really is no more extreme than "hey that kid that has a very undeveloped brain imagines he is a girl, which is a valid condition, so we should allow him to start the process of chemical castration"...a position that developed almost overnight that we are somehow supposed to respect.
Radical individualists for dismembering children because TOP MEN!
Maybe that decision should be left up to doctors, patients, parents and counselors. Sound good?
No, you fucking idiot. It doesn't. You find doctors, parents and counselors who'll agree to everything and anything.
That's why there are laws against fucking children regardless of if the doctor or parent approves.
Once again a link jeff will ignore that shows the studies showing even small benefits for early transitions are largely flawed.
https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/the-distortions-in-jack-turbans-psychology
Instead jeff wants to permanently harm children based on this flawed data instead of treating underlying issues.
He continues to ignore this is a mental issue so he can deform children while feeling good about himself for supporting it.
When it was COVID vaccines it was "what do you guys know, let's listen to the experts! Fuck your autonomy, you should get the vaccine and so should your kid because govt experts say so!"
And now that the tranny evidence is starting to come out showing this is a disaster, all of a sudden its "hey guys, lets live and let live, this should be a decision between the child and parents!"
^this
Do you understand that you are being more authoritarian than Joe F’n Biden here?
Do you understand "You're idolizing Joe Biden as a libertarian so that children can be mutilated." is an accurate statement?
U.S. Customs and Border Patrol keeps sending migrants to "places where no help waits."
Know your purpose, border territories!
I thought immigrants were great for every community and didn't need any help. Reason and CATO assure me that only dirty, lazy natives need any help or social services. You mean that might not be true? That reason and CATO have been lying about this? Well, knock me over with a feather.
Yes, immigrants are always net positive, so we're told.
Why don’t they want food trucks in Martha’s Vineyard?
Why can't they send them to Martha's Vineyard? I heard they even hold pizza parties for Migrants!
They were going away parties.
But only for 24 hours, then they send in the armed troops to gather them up and relocate them to camps.
"Admission to this sanctuary is by appointment only."
> U.S. Customs and Border Patrol keeps sending migrants to "places where no help waits."
Martha's Vineyard?
Congressional Democrats now want Joe Biden to start directly negotiating with Russia.
Know your place, Ukrainian government!
Adults in charge.
Democratic economic messaging: We're the party of the working class and poor. Vote for us if you want to DRINK BILLIONAIRE TEARS, especially that mean old white male Charles Koch!
Democratic economic reality: Give them total control of DC and they won't raise the minimum wage, definitely won't pass Medicare for All — but will implement billionaire-friendly loose border policies and make Charles Koch richer.
That's why it's so important to vote Democrat in the midterms. Biden's first two years have been the most successful of any President in history. And we need him to retain a Congressional majority so 2023 and 2024 can be just as good.
#LibertariansForBiden
#BlueWave2022
Plus, inflation will make us all rich!
And low stock prices mean that everyone can buy!
DAMN all those Republican Candidates pandering to the HardRight who dont appreciate gender affirming care being prescribed at the government schools or inflation boosting retail receipts
Good thing we have Molly Ball watching the Fascists for us
Why plastic recycling is a failed endeavor.
No - it only shows that the current strategy for recycling plastic is a failed endeavor.
The current strategy relies on altruism and shame into enticing a person to recycle their plastic. Yeah, that only works to a limited extent.
Instead, try recycling plastic in ways that create the proper incentives. So for example, burning it for fuel, or pyrolyzing it to make chemicals. When people realize that their plastic water bottle actually represents a fuel source that is worth money on the market, recycling will increase.
If recycling plastic was economical, you would get paid money for it, like aluminum cans.
But it’s just not.
recycling glass is the peak green idiocy however
The funny part is, mixed recycling bins cause broken glass fragments to be imbedded in cardboard , making it unfit to be recycled.
My garbage collection company told us not to put glass in the recycling, as nobody recycles it.
Yeah, there has to be a pretty robust market for those products to incentivize recycling them. At least when you recycle aluminum, you can get a few bucks out of it to buy the malt liquor of your choice. You don't get shit for recycling plastic or cardboard, and on the back end, there's just no demand for recycled plastic products except as prototype fancies by "green"-obsessed government entities.
Some of the stuff that can be made with recycled plastic is admittedly pretty cool, but the demand for them needs to be a lot stronger to even justify scaling up recycling.
Acknowledging current plastic recycling isn't working is a big step. It clears the way to try new ideas.
There are at least a dozen other statuses quo (stati quo?) American society needs to acknowledge are not working.
If "their plastic water bottle actually represents a fuel source that is worth money on the market," the market would already make it worthwhile to recycle it.
I don’t even get what he’s trying to say with the last paragraph. Just utter nonsense. Literal trash can be burned as fuel. Actual bullshit can be burned as fuel. I don’t understand the idea of “Lighting it on fire makes it more valuable!” as a feature. Especially with regard to recycling.
Funny how Pope Hat is so concerned about election integrity now. Ken White is just a disgusting phony.
It amazes me how many warmongering neocons, like Popehat and Goldberg, Reason is willing to fellaciate because orangemanbad.
TDS is a nasty disease. Trump managed to make so many neocons and those on the left so deranged, it's ridiculous. Maybe they were deranged before, and Trump just got them to expose themselves for who they really are, and who they really carry water for. Either way, we can at least take note of who these fools are.
"It is difficult to imagine how this Ordinance would be equally applied to men and women in practice."
Really? All the reference body parts mentioned can be found on males, females, and other genders. Let the market decide. Open four drive-throughs with identical mediocre coffee at a busy intersection, and dress all four genders the same, with scanty bikinis. See which one has the best sales.
Only four genders? Bigot much?
A furry bikini shop may actually work in Portland.
"According to ACLU officials, the petition comes in the Arkansas Times LP v. Waldrip lawsuit; a lawsuit filed by the ACLU and ACLU of Arkansas challenging an Arkansas state law that requires government contractors to pledge not to boycott Israel or reduce their fees by 20 percent."
OK, ACLU, how about refusing to bake Israeli Day cakes?
https://twitter.com/IndivisibleTeam/status/1583496354734538756?cxt=HHwWiICg8e_i2vkrAAAA
We're back to elections being stealable and suspect. Be vigilant everyone, unless the dems win and then it's all fine.
Funny, right after polling had a significant shift in favor of the republicans, signaling a potential red wave.
I have been told since 1/6 that questioning elections is unpatriotic, weird that they would change so quickly on that
this sounds very insurrection-y
So a duly conducted democratic election is coup now?
HILLARY CLINTON: “Right wing extremists already have a plan to literally steal the next presidential election.”
Nancy Pelosi:
Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.
12:44 PM · May 16, 2017
Hillary Clinton claims Republicans ALREADY have a plan to ‘steal’ the 2024 presidential election – and warns the ‘right-wing controlled Supreme Court’ might help GOP ‘overturn’ elections
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11352487/Hillary-Clinton-claims-Republicans-plan-steal-2024-presidential-election.html
Hillary: You stole the election!
Trump: No you stole the election!
Trump: No you!
Hillary: No you!
Trump: No you!
Hillary: No you!
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Wow, I didn't even expect Hillary to run. I guess she's laying the groundwork for her campaign early this time.
Daily Mail's headline is hilarious - HILLARY DOES A DONALD - I larfed.
The World's Best Newspaper always brings it.
She still thinks it's "her time".
Fuck off and die, lefty shit-pile.
Hillary Clinton claims Republicans ALREADY have a plan to ‘steal’ the 2024 presidential election
All right, who fucking talked?
Better yet, who is going to commit suicide with a gun about 10 feet away from his/her hand? We should know how Hillary deals with leaks by now.
Christ, look what that bitch did to Harambe when he was about to tell on her.
Hillary and the dems have now questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election, then the 2018 mid terms in races where they didnt get their way (Abrams), then 2020 was the cleanest ever, and now 2022-2024 elections are going to be 'stolen' as poling is tilting away from dems...
Im starting to notice a pattern here...
I don't know about the rest of you, but personally I applaud the Page 3 (or at least 2) Girl approach that Reason chose today for the header photo.
I'd dip my "straw" into her "coffee" any day.
Go to their facebook page and check out the young lady in the Beetlejuice costume. You’re welcome.
A federal court says a city's dress code for scantily clad coffee servers is unconstitutional.
Dealing with the important shit.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is asking the Supreme Court to weigh in on a boycott ban.
For once the contemporary ACLU is on the right side of something.
I have no problem with government funding not going to institutions that boycott. Government dollars shouldn't fund those actions.
So you're all in on agents being allowed to act against the interests of their fiduciary responsibilities? If it's anything beyond placards or doesn't allow immediate dissolution of the agreement them that is what you're cheering.
Congressional Democrats now want Joe Biden to start directly negotiating with Russia.
Best he can do is send another 20 billion of your debt to Ukraine.
Bidens other foreign relations have backfired so spectacularly maybe they think sending Joe will backfire on Russia.
"WNBA star Brittney Griner is still in Russian prison for traveling with cannabis oil."
I thought the charge was "public stupidity".
Resisting Putin.
At least she doesn't have to hear the nationalnanthem
Remember when those college basketball players were caught shoplifting in China and Trump had them out before the day was out? Good times.
I always thought it was hilarious that the simp sports media actually speculated a few years ago if Griner could beat DeMarcus Cousins one-on-one. Bitch, you can't even beat airport security, how the fuck are you going to beat someone who outweighs you by about 75 pounds of muscle mass and can shoot threes? Just because you have a voice like a man doesn't mean you can play like one.
I have heard from more than a few liberals that women can be just as good as men because Serena Williams would beat most men, because slay queen, (apparently without knowing that this has been rehashed tons of time in the MSM). Its always fun to link them to the quote where she admits she cant compete against them and lost to someone who wasn't anywhere near the level of the #1 male player.
They live in a fantasy world
"The Nevada election this year is emblematic of the dynamics at play across the country in 2022, with a Democratic candidate desperately pleading for another chance, a Republican opponent pandering to the party's hard-right base, and a polarized electorate caught in the middle," writes Molly Ball.
Without even reading this I can tell it's a bunch smug navel-gazing bullshit.
From the wiki:
Molly Ball is an American political journalist and writer. She is the national political correspondent for Time magazine. She is the author of a 2020 biography of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi .
So now ENB is just linking straight to Democrat operatives.
Color me shocked and surprised.
Arkansas Times LP, which was penalized by the government after it refused to certify that it is not boycotting Israel or Israel-controlled territories,
This is absurd on its face. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves.
Meh. Who cares about a bunch of white supremacist fascists?
I do.
"The Nevada election this year is emblematic of the dynamics at play across the country in 2022, with a Democratic candidate desperately pleading for another chance, a Republican opponent pandering to the party's hard-right base, and a polarized electorate caught in the middle," writes Molly Ball."
Uh, the linked article is either a paid political announcement for the D candidate or should be. Fuck Molly Ball with Tony's dick and ENB ought to be ashamed to have linked it, if ENB is capable of shame.
Molly Ball is a hack.
Also, "a polarized electorate caught in the middle"
Wouldn't the polarized electorate be coalescing on the two outer ends?
Never read anything she wrote before and certainly won't again, but whine, whine, whine about the poor people who Obo 'legalized' illegally.
Words mean whatever we want them to mean, you racist.
Wouldn’t the polarized electorate be coalescing on the two outer ends?
You would think so. You'd also think a person who writes for a living would understand what words mean, but apparently that's asking too much. Polarized is just a trendy buzz word they like to throw around without knowing what they're talking about.
"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."
See my response to chipper above. She wrote a biography of Pelosi.
I just know that this author is one of those people who use the word "Iconic" to mean famous. I hate that "iconic" is not becoming another generic intensifier.
Christ, the copium inhalation in that pull-quote was at levels that shouldn't even be possible.
ENB is incapable of shame
" . . . ruling OK to the city's criminalization of exposure or touching of women's breasts but not of men's breasts . . . "
But I thought the supreme court said men are women and women are men and all the others are all the others. So there is no such thing as a "woman's breast".
It seems all that is required here is for all the baristas to identify as male while at work.
It seems all that is required here is for all the baristas to identify as male while at work.
Ewww! You can keep the coffee.
Don’t ask for creamer!
I thought it was pretty clear that I identify as a cis-het male.
What about milk?
W.G. Sumner, antislavery before it was fashionable, remarked on how "friends of humanity" treated "the weak": "They generalize these classes, and render them impersonal, and so constitute the classes into social pets." And so it comes to pass that the Bush Supreme Court justice most adamant in pretending the 13th Amendment does not protect women from being enslaved as reproductive dams has adopted Linseed Graham Cracker as his pet in an effort to obstruct justice until after the election.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit
I assume it's an ai bot. The only person as incoherent as lib translator is sqrlsy
Smells like commie kid.
It’s Hank Phillips.
https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/who-is-hank-phillips/
Or as “Tulpa” claimed, sarc parodying Hank.
It’s Hank.
Click the link in his name and it’ll take you to his site where he has a “Who Is Hank Phillips” page and an old picture.
Edit: Why do so many of the old nuts trolling here sound so alike? There's not too much difference between Hihn, Sqrlsy and Hank when you read them.
Hank's a lot less manic than Hihn was, or as Sqrlsy became after Hihn passed away.
Hank seems to be making inside jokes, except nobody but him is on the inside.
Internet trolling attempt overreaches and fails…
It would be so awesome if it were true, though. It would cause heads to explode on Team Red and Team Blue:
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-kyle-rittenhouse-transgender-1754221
“A tweet, archived here, was posted on October 21, 2022, and claims that Kyle Rittenhouse’s real name is ‘Wendy Rittenhouse Lewis’ and that ‘she is not 18 but 26 y.o. female to male transgender.'”
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit
Why would it be awesome if true?
Masturbation material.
"It would cause heads to explode on Team Red and Team Blue"
It really wouldn't. Team blue would react with their hysterics, of course, and we would hear 10 ways he is a transphobic, homophobic, white supremacist bigot and also he should be executed for defending himself.
The right would give a collective 'meh' at this non story, being that if it was 100% true he said it, its a clear troll. It wouldn't get more than a smirk followed by scrolling on.
Plus there is no way he is a tranny. Did you see his mental fortitude, coolness under pressure, decision making, and flat out fucking cojones? A tranny has too much mental illness and angst to open a fortune cookie without having a dilemma, therefore it is impossible for him to be one.
He cried on the stand sir.
Yeah, Team Blue wouldn't despise him any less than they do now, because he plonked their allies when they made the stupid decision to try and kill an armed man for having the audacity to put out their literal trash fire that they tried to push into a gas station.
Anyone thinking the left has principles other than their will to power doesn't understand the left.
That should be worth at least 1 billion based on the Alex jones precedent.
It would be awesome. I would pay money to have a transgender Kyle Rittenhouse force his way into Nancy Pelosi's changing room with the full force of federal law behind him.
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giving Lobster Girl a run for her money
>>Nor does criminalizing the baring of female breasts but not male breasts count as an unconstitutional violation.
greatest injustice in history of mankind
free the nip is a movement we can all get behind
A federal court says a city's dress code for scantily clad coffee servers is unconstitutional. Wrong. They held the dress code and a new law against promoting public lewdness, is perfectly valid and legal but dress codes have to apply to both men and women to be enforceable. So the law simply has to be tweaked and then women have to put their clothes back on. The Judge ordered the parties to meet within 14 days, presumably to hammer out a compromise over the dress code. If the woman are obstinate they can simply amend the law to apply to both sexes and drive them out of business.
Support for the dress code will go up as soon as a 300 lb trans person wears a bikini to serve coffee.
No, the market will take care of that by itself.
thanks for ruining the fun!
I'm going to assume this is not related to January 6 protesters.
Also, Ms. Apple still looks unhealthy.
“We believe that Border Patrol is attempting to demonstrate the chaos that they are experiencing on the border to inland cities,” said Denise Chang, executive director of the Colorado Hosting Asylum Network. “We just need to coordinate so that we can receive people properly.”
You're a sanctuary state, Colorado which explicitly forwards all public welfare benefits to non-citizens, regardless of status. Expect migrants inbound.
I think they see Sanctuary like carrying a pretty gypsy girl with a dancing goat to the bell tower to get away from the mob. All heroic and romantic, none of the practical.
They don't understand what it REALLY means. If you're a sanctuary, you are a sanctuary. Deal with it. Even Esmeralda needed to eat and be clothed eventually. Well, before she was hanged, at least.
Colorado literally passed a law saying that they would provide illegal immigrants with housing assistance. Now they need 'warning' before any show up. Umm... warning from whom? Is Juan Valdez supposed to ring up Jared Polis before he finally throws his hands up over the new equitable land-sharing that the junta is putting into affect and say, "Yeah, reservation for two, please... I'll be there in March."
Again, "Admission to this sanctuary is by appointment only."
Way to purposely misunderstand the scenario here.
How so? Because he seems to be bang-on.
Clicked the plastic link:
> Plastic recycling rates are declining even as production shoots up, according to a Greenpeace USA report
Greenpeace.
Stopped reading there. Seriously, that's not a valid data source. Any article that doesn't treat it skeptically is obviously not objective.
That crossed my mind. The organization (or at least an organization in the constellation of organizations) that sold us recycling is now telling us it's not working.
However, independent of Greenpeace, this study appears to be correct, because it's something those of us that have followed the recycling same for years have concluded, and there are plenty of scientists and engineers that will independently confirm this. Plastics don't recycle well, if at all, and require other petroleum products or toxic chemicals to break down the hydrocarbons.
The recycling scam is a long and sordid trail of tears.
Except their solution is no plastics. Not let's stop pretending with recycling.
Around here, they used to take the blue bin, cube it, and ship it to China. When that stopped a lot of it just went to the landfill. And, yet, we still have to sort all of our garbage or be fined. It's a ridiculous law that provides no good end and should be altered to stop us having to sort items that really aren't going to be recycled.
Greenpeace's goal in this is to make that worse. They want to ban new plastic and demand that recycling of plastic actually works. They don't know how, "but doggun' it you should do it you greedy corporations!"
Hell, when the evil corporations can only make HDPE and and everything has to be recycled every time they'll be accused of price gouging because recycled plastic is freaking expensive. And, frankly, there's no viable replacement for an awful lot of plastic products and containers right now, so everything gets more expensive in this scenario.
Actually, as I type this I realize I should look. And, yes, that's what the article says. It's a propaganda piece for Greenpeace and nothing more.
When I was working, I enjoyed the few nights I had to work late.
I watched the "custodial engineers" come around with a single huge bin on wheels, and dump all the trash in there, followed by dumping all the "recycling paper" on top.
I’m glad Reason has kept us abreast with that barista case.
ENB had to get it off her chest.
Certainly deserves more exposure.
Although it's kind of making mountains out of molehills.
A tempest in several different kinds of cups.
Fuck Joe Biden.
14 days
How quickly do you think they will turn on a dime from the J6 narrative that questioning elections is insurrection to "Republicans cheated!!!"
Id imagine Liz Cheney and company will get some form of mental whiplash from the pivot
Hillary h as already started.
For 2024!
Prudes on both the Right & Left like to claim they are "protecting" women & children by dictating what they can wear ... but they're wrong.
Taking away freedom of choice - even the choice to wear bikinis while serving coffee - does not protect anybody.
Kudos to these baristas for their win!!
Is the sight of scantily-clad baristas turning the right-libertarians in the comment section into left-libertarians?
I don’t mind attractive servers, so long as they weren’t hired *because of* their attractiveness, because if that is the case, I wonder what kind of mediocre food and drink the restaurant is trying to distract us from.
Prepare to read of his having negligently ceded Alaska.
As a libertarian I could care less if the baristas were topless, It is their choice to work that way, and yours to get your coffee from them.
The ONLY responsibility others have with regards to your rights is to not violate them.
Huh, I wonder why this story is #1 on the Most Read list.
really? one fucking picture? god dammit reason we need recon!
get your asses back there and get us some expanded reportage with examples of the "scantilly clad" stuff so we can make informed decisions on how much coffee we will need