What Happens When a County Employee Acts Like a Police Officer?
A highway engineer got qualified immunity for detaining drivers—despite not being a cop.

It's likely that a large chunk of the people reading this have had the unenviable experience of being pulled over by a police officer for a traffic infraction. You know what you're supposed to do. But what are you supposed to do when a government employee who is not a police officer pulls you over, detains you for hours, and tries to perform a traffic stop, despite having no authority to do so?
According to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit, you are, in some circumstances, supposed to accept this—as if working as, say, a highway engineer confers the monopoly on power held by the state. If government has one thing, it is the audacity.
This is not a hypothetical for Jonathan Large, one such engineer working for Mahnomen County, Minnesota. In 2017, he took umbrage with CSI, a road repair company, in a petty dispute that quickly escalated into much more.
The nitty-gritty details go something like this: The state of Minnesota hired CSI to execute some highway repairs, which required them to travel on specific roads to complete the assignment. Large, as the overseer of those haul roads, tried to stop the company from using them; the state ultimately gave CSI access to some, but not all, routes. As the project progressed, CSI requested access to another road, which they would travel on after emptying their load, thus mollifying any concerns about weight limits.
Large was not mollified. About an hour before CSI would be on that road, he let them know that he had (arbitrarily) lowered the weight limit, so as to disqualify their travel. Upon seeing two CSI trucks saunter toward him, Large used his vehicle to block their path; one driver testified he witnessed government officials changing the weight signs in front of them. Large then said they would need to wait for police to come and ticket them before he proceeded to call the sheriff's office, the White Earth Tribal Police Department, and state troopers, all to address a truck he alleged was overweight as other seemingly overweight trucks continued down the road unbothered.
"Large arbitrarily lowered the limit from 5 tons per axle to 5 tons total, which would make it illegal for even many pickups or vans to use those roads. Large did this to target my company's trucks—which were running empty on these roads—for his petty powerplay," said Allan Minnerath, CSI's president, in a statement. "He let other heavier trucks pass while he only stopped CSI trucks and detained the drivers. If it is a free country, that means we should be able to drive on roads just like everybody else, and any government official who abuses their power like this needs to be held to account."
So CSI sued. For usurping this extrajudicial authority, the federal courts awarded Large qualified immunity, which sometimes protects local and state actors from facing civil suits for violating the Constitution.
But the reasoning behind that decision—that CSI is not legally permitted to ask a jury to consider their case—may sound like parody to a layman. The doctrine of qualified immunity protects government employees when the alleged violation is not "clearly established" in a prior court precedent, meaning CSI had to find a previous ruling with nearly identical facts. The result: "Under the unique circumstances of this case, we cannot say that it was clearly established that Large…could not call law enforcement to investigate compliance with the new, reduced weight restrictions," wrote Circuit Judge Bobby Shepherd. You'd be forgiven for already assuming such a similar case did not exist, but this is the standard demanded by the often-unforgiving protections afforded to the state.
CSI is now asking the U.S. Supreme Court to hear the case and to make it crystal clear that government officials are not protected for misconduct when assuming duties and powers that aren't in their purview. "If there is one thing that proponents and opponents of qualified immunity agreed on, it is this," said Anya Bidwell, who is representing CSI with the Institute for Justice, in a statement. "Government officials can only claim qualified immunity if they were doing their jobs; officials can't receive qualified immunity when their actions far exceed any reasonable interpretation of their authority….The courts must make it clear that Large should—and in fact must—leave the job of law enforcement to those entrusted with law enforcement."
Importantly, the majority argued that Large hadn't actually detained anyone, because he didn't exercise brute force. But this fails to reckon with the fact that Large instituted a roadblock hamstringing CSI's vehicles and ordered them to remain in place for police, allegedly for about 3.5 hours.
It was a point not lost on Circuit Judge L. Steven Grasz, who dissented. "There's a new sheriff in town," he wrote. "The holding implicitly cloaks such officials [like Large] with near-absolute immunity for their actions since there are no existing cases circumscribing or defining the scope of this newly discovered, unwritten law enforcement authority."
Over the past few years, some Republican politicians have made defending qualified immunity a core prong of their campaigns. Ensuring government unaccountability is, by partisan definition, a strange hill for conservatives to die on. To that point, Grasz, the dissenting judge, was appointed by President Donald Trump—a reminder of the difference between pure politicking and policy.
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This is so nuts. With police, it's fair-ish to set the standard at assuming they have authority and only holding them liable where they clearly cross the line. With this nitwit (who seems to violating the EPC class of one case), he should have to point to where he has the authority. The other issue--he's not cloaked with police officer authority, so the resisting arrests statutes probably don't apply.
This Lurge guy should be prosecuted.
QI does not, by the way, apply to criminal prosecutions. It's just that hardly anyone ever wants to prosecute.
Oh, people WANT prosecution of rogue cops, but they know it aint gonna happen.
And even when they do bring charges, prosecutors often sandbag their own cases. They often deliberately over-charge, so they can assure the public they're being "tough". But since they know they won't be able to convict, their incestuous relations with the cops keeps right on sailing.
So when are we to expect government file clerks to start making drug stops to seize money and property ? Surely they will get QI the first few times they pull it off as well. I should get a city job and seize a bank's assets and claim that it's civil forfeiture; there's no precedent for not doing it, so should get QI there as well.
*smh* Can we please end QI now ? Each story is more ridiculous than the last.
Large had the power to set weight limits and to set up a road block as part of his job. The fact that he exercised that power poorly doesn't change that he had the authority to do so and doesn't turn this into an illegal detention.
He may be guilty of something, and maybe he should be held accountable for it, but this is the wrong way to do it.
Not sure he had the authority to violate the Equal Protection Clause.
He can't set them with the intent of interfering with one specific company.
He let other heavier trucks pass while he only stopped CSI trucks and detained the drivers.
Noy-Soy-Boy-Toy doesn’t care about mere “facts”… It just wants to stamp its feet and scream and holler.
"False imprisonment", hijacking, and kidnapping are crimes!!! Period!
That may be so, but that’s a different violation from the one he is charged with.
Also, the company he is interfering with is working for the government, making this a government internal issue.
He had the authority to set the weight limits, not enforce them. Law making and law enforcement are two very different things, which is why Congress isn't issued badges. Although these days the authority a badge represents is apparently a debate.
Companies who contract with the government don't suddenly become government employees. Disputes between the government and their contractors are handled in the courts, not in an administrative meeting of the DOT.
QI is a terrible thing. Having people getting QI for actions that aren't part of their job is piling lunacy on top of insanity.
Ultimately this is an example of a small man with a little power trying to show people he is important. People like him should receive pity and disgust in equal measures, not encouragment.
Most states allow citizens to enforce laws to some degree, including arresting people; you don’t need a batch. Blocking a truck that attempts to violate a posted weight limit is a reasonable thing to do.
But he isn't claiming he was making a citizen's arrest. He is claiming Qualified Immunity, which only covers government employees acting in the scope of their job. If he was claiming it was a citizen's arrest, he couldn't claim QI.
And no, nothing about his actions are reasonable. Arbitrary changes to weight limits, used to target a specific company, enforced only against one group, followed by actions outside his job description is about as unreasonable as it gets.
Even if you could excuse his vigilantism (oh, sorry, I meant "citizen's arrest"), this guy is clearly a class A douchebag whose life is so empty he needs to make himself feel important by asserting his (and other people's) government power.
I’m not “excusing” anything; I’m just pointing out that the Reason article makes little sense again, and is designed to get semi-literate class A douchebags like you riled up over nothing.
What, you need bigger stakes to oppose government overreach and unjustifiable shield laws? I'm sorry this isn't high-profile enough to be worthy of your attention. I'll have your butler fetch you when things get serious enough to justify your concern.
There's nothing to show he has unilateral authority to set weight limits, authority to set arbitrary weight limits, or to set up roadblocks, let alone detain people for violating a non-criminal statute (this isn't even detaining people for shoplifting).
There is nothing to show that he lacked that authority. I mean, he’s a highway engineer working for the state, and he hasn’t been charged with tampering with highway signs, so a reasonable presumption is that his change was legal.
If the change was legal, then the detention was legal, since CSI was about to violate traffic laws in a significant way.
But he wasn't hired to enforce anything. It may seem obvious, but an engineer isn't a cop. And a civil violation that justifies a fine isn't a criminal violation that justifies detention.
In most states, anybody can detain anther citizen even for fairly minor and vague violations like disturbing the peace. Attempting to drive a 50t truck over a road limited to 5t would likely count.
Furthermore, it seems unlikely that an unarmed engineer would even be able to “detain” truck drivers. Most likely, he simply blocked them from going forward with a road block or his car. That wouldn’t even be a detention.
I’m not defending what the engineer did, I’m saying that the spin this article puts on it is likely misleading. The guy should be fired and charged for damages, but it’s likely not a QI issue or a case of “illegal detention”.
As I mentioned above, he is claiming QI, which is a protection provided to government employees acting within the scope of their job. Citizens can't claim QI.
Yes, he claimed QI for his actions as a traffic engineer: changing signage and blocking trucks from going down a road. He didn’t “detain” anybody: the truck drivers could have turned around any time.
And if you actually read the complaint, he didn’t do so because of some irrational hatred of the company, but because he is responsible for road maintenance and genuinely believed that the trucks were damaging.
"Yes, he claimed QI for his actions as a traffic engineer: changing signage and blocking trucks from going down a road."
The blocking trucks part isn't part of his job. Hence the lawsuit contesting his claim of QI. I believe it was affirmed that it wasn't part of his job, but somehow the QI was upheld. That is the crux if the issue: should QI be available to government employees who act outside of their job authority.
I could care less about his motivations. If blocking the trucks was not his job, he shouldn't get QI. Agreed?
A highway engineer got qualified immunity for detaining drivers—despite not being a cop.
Confusing headline. Like my ego isn't so big that I literally believe that the writers are coming into the comment threads and reading my comments. But... for fuck sakes, this is a dumb subhed. I'm perfectly willing to presume that the county employee is an insufferable little prig who deserves to be held accountable. But Reason can't be laboring under the terrible misconception that qualified immunity only applies to "cops".
I've been screeching this ever since QI became one of Reason's main screeching points. You're never going to get rid of it because the most powerful public sector union in the solar system enjoys its protections: Teachers.
QI isn't a COP thing, it's a government employee thing. Social workers can claim it, CPS workers can claim it... your 62 yr old MOM with cankles can claim it if she works at the school...
Maybe I'm being too harsh here, and tell me if I am. Maybe what Reason means with "despite not being a cop" is the detaining part", not the qualified immunity part.
I'm happy to get off my high horse if that's the case.
Eh, Reason does a lot of shooting from the hip. Binion in particular is close to agitprop. I still have to read the actual decision as I don't trust what he writes.
I read through the article, quickly. Only the subhed appears to have the eats shoots and leaves style-guide writing.
The rest seems pretty clear that QI applies to all state actors.
I'm just sensitive on this topic because I know for a fact that a considerable percentage of people wanting QI to be eliminated literally think it only applies to cops and can't (for the life of their precious little hearts) figure out why it's still with us today, despite Democratic majorities everywhere. Plus, Reasons really shit articles about "x state" "elminating qi" which did literally nothing of the sort when you clicked past the reason article and actually read the law(s).
I think it's worthwhile to be pedantic about that. A huge amount of conversations we have are arguments based around multiple definitions of terms.
Shit, how much of our current culture war is motivated by a distinction between sex and gender where one side talks about one but jumps to the other when being criticized.
QI also applies to the same people everyone is trying to get to have it ruled not-applicable - judges.
You think some judge is going to eliminate the thing that will protect his/her corrupt ass if some ruling goes bad?
"The rest seems pretty clear that QI applies to all state actors."
But only for their job, not anyone else's. A janitor can't issue fines to a nuclear power plant and claim QI and a dog catcher can't write up building code violations and claim QI. But apparently a traffic engineer can play cop and claim QI for pilice work.
"I know for a fact that a considerable percentage of people wanting QI to be eliminated literally think it only applies to cops"
I sincerely doubt that. Most people don't know what QI is. Those who do are likely know how broad it is. A considerable percemtage of people who hear about it in passing on the news may think it's only about cops because most other government jobs don't include the chance of killing an innocent person. And since "if it bleeds, it ledes" has been the unofficial motto of the news since news began, those are the times it is in front of people.
A traffic engineer can change signage on a road and block cars from traveling over them: that’s part of his job and it’s covered by QI of he does it wrong or irresponsibly, meaning his employer is liable.
I seriously doubt what he did counts as a detention in the first place, but any citizen can make a citizens arrest for a wide range of misconduct, and exceeding the posted weight limit on a road likely falls under that.
No, he can change the weight limit (even for completely arbitrary reasons, apparently). Unless this is a radical departure from typical traffic engineer positions, he is not authorized to block cars from traveling over the roads.
Which is why this case exists in the first place. If it was part of his job, the case would have been dismissed.
WTF are you talking about? The court explicitly found that he acted within his role as county employee and that his actions were reasonable and within his employment contract.
The “rogue engineer detains innocent citizens over petty dispute” part is fanciful Reason fabrication, and fools like you lap it up.
The court hedged with the phrase "no clearly established". A lot. They didn't say he had the authority, they said it wasn't clearly established that he didn't have the authority.
Which is the central complaint about QI. "Not clearly established" civers a multitude of sins.
Yes, was gonna say " for detaining drivers". Was the way I took it anyway. If they meant only cops they could've left that off.
"Maybe I’m being too harsh here..."
No, as has been pointed out here ad nauseum the writers here are shallow, ignorant, can think nothing through, and are largely devoid of any first principles (no enemies to the left being a tactic, not a principle.)
That all this leads them to make stupid normative arguments without realizing they are doing so is merely par for the course.
I think your too harsh, here. I read it as in reference of the detaining.
It is possible for non-police to lawfully detain someone. So that doesn't hunt either.
non-police to...detain someone
In my state we call that "kidnapping".
You sure of that?
Go try some shoplifting and get back to me.
Go try detaining someone for shoplifting and see what happens to you if they're not convicted.
You need to read up on basic US law.
DA/prosecutorial QI is far more of an issue than cop QI. And the little toadies like this guy, hiding and fucking w/ people just because they can? they outnumber cops by the scores. But, am preaching to the choir. Binion though, thinks that QI is something that conservatives love... Like the other progressives here, he only knows the conservative and libertarian caricatures in his head.
I'm not sure about the roadblock.
Their protest models pretty much turned out like their climate models.
https://twitter.com/GGrimalda/status/1582818342506987521
Wait, this is real?
VW told us that they supported our right to protest, but they refused our request to provide us with a bowl to urinate and defecate in a decent manner while we are glued, and have turned off the heating.
VW supports planning ahead when you decide to do something really stupid.
Kudos for WV on calling them on their bluff.
They never intended to stay there long enough for some accommodation needing to be made for relieving themselves.
How could they do so, into a bowl, while one hand is firmly glued to the floor, and maintain any modicum of modesty?
These assholes never intended any such thing.
If I ever meet this clown, I'll tell him that I found his self-inflicted misery hilarious, and urge him to apply for a Darwin award.
-jcr
Oh, hey, ran across this one today. Reason might have covered this as they’re pretty good on this particular beat– but you want to see something that’s about as crazy-pants as you can get, watch this judge literally serve *checks video* her own search warrant, and personally execute the search.
Apparently the guy has sued, she was found to be in something like 13 breaches of judicial ethics and has been denied Judicial Immunity, which she tried to pull once the word got out on what she was doing.
Volokh mentioned it. https://reason.com/volokh/2022/07/14/no-judicial-immunity-for-judges-field-trip-to-lead-search-of-litigants-house/
Municipal judges can be awful.
The litigants usually barely have enough wherewithal to afford going into court, let alone what it takes to get an appeal process going.
So these tyrants normally get away with all kinds of illegal activity, usually based on their beliefs, and not the law.
Family court judges are the worst.
White Earth Tribal Police
Native American white supremacists?
Over the past few years, some Republican politicians have made defending qualified immunity a core prong of their campaigns.
And by the way, this is a classic example of the Republicans being useful idiots for the progressives. Republicans should go after QI hard… hard. If they started playing chess instead of Tiddly-winks, they’d force Democrats into a corner, forcing Democrats to be the ones coming out and defending it.
I mean, Jesus, GOP… what’s the current hot topic of the day right now: Gender transition groomers in the school.
Imagine a world where parents can sue individual teachers for their classroom antics…
Think you fucking retards.
You still think there’s two parties. Quaint.
I'm offering Republicans gold-plated, sage advice on how to become a different party. Oppose Qualified Immunity, distinguish yourselves.
But there's no evidence Republicans want or need to be different.
Right, so we continue to be stuck with the Democratic Socialist Uniparty.
At least until the illusion of democracy is abandoned.
For some reason, Republicans (and conservatives) have a nearly unwavering love of police
I thought maybe you would see some lessening of this after Uvalde, but nope, back to cop sucking
Policing is a local issue. I’m sorry of your police sucks, but that’s an issue you have to address locally, rather than turning it into a national grievance.
Most conservatives and republicans live in communities where local government generally functions adequately, and have no illusions over the limits or capabilities of government or police.
In other words, Uvalde was tragic, but in the same way that an earthquake in Haiti is, not in the same way that Biden’s economic policies are.
What happens when government school employees act like parents?
Reason defends them.
I didn’t read the article but I assume that’s what they did here to, right?
I think they are only upset here because the guy was targeting a corporation, which of course have far more rights than parents.
This is a matter for tar and feathers, a knuckle sandwich, or duct-taping this douchebag to a lamppost.. This is not a matter for litigation.
-jcr
The trouble is that the people affected were employees, so it wasn't personal. Only the boss could have made the call for knuckles and duct tape.
Yeah, it's a regulatory pissing match. Not something workers need to get wet over.
"Republican politicians have made defending qualified immunity a core prong of their campaigns. Ensuring government unaccountability is, by partisan definition, a strange hill for conservatives to die on." For that outcome, I will cheerfully waive appeal. Sayonara, superstitious slimy suckers!
Was the way I took it anyway. If they meant only cops they could’ve left that off.
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Government officials need qualified immunity ONLY if they are taking actions that would otherwise be criminal. You can assume that if they rely on qualified immunity, they are, at their core, criminals.