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Social Media Interaction Does Not Improve Political Knowledge, but It Does Polarize Us

Two new studies say there's no evidence of political learning on social media, but it does increasingly teach us to hate our opponents.

Ronald Bailey | 10.14.2022 1:15 PM

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North Americans spend an average of two hours and six minutes daily interacting with various social media platforms, according to the online database Broadband Search. Globally, Facebook's 1.9 billion daily active users average 33 minutes per day, and Twitter's 206 million daily active users troll and doom-scroll for 31 minutes per day.

Two new political science studies investigate how all of this time spent on social media affects our politics. The first asks what, if anything, digital denizens learn about politics, while the second develops a model to explain how social media interactions spark culture wars by sorting people into antagonistic political tribes.

Published in the Journal of Communication, the first study finds that whatever else millions of social media devotees learn from their online activity—catching up with friends and finding new ones, checking out product reviews, and watching cat videos—one thing they do not do is learn about is politics.

There are "no observable political knowledge gains from using Facebook, Twitter,
or SNS [social network sites] in general; when measuring policy-specific, campaign-related, or general political knowledge; in election and routine periods; and when individuals use social media specifically for news or for more general purposes," find Israeli communications researchers Eran Amsalem and Alon Zoizner. They reached this conclusion after parsing data involving more than 440,000 subjects in a pre-registered meta-analysis of 76 different studies on the effect of social media on political knowledge.

One minor exception to this sweeping conclusion is that research using experimental setups finds small but statistically significant knowledge gains from using social media. However, in such experiments, Amsalem and Zoizner note that subjects are given no choice over what political information they see, so they may be artificially induced to pay greater attention to it than they ordinarily would scrolling out in the wild. The experiments also fail to account for information decay, since they test their subjects' political knowledge gains immediately after exposure to it. "Considering these caveats, our conclusion remains that social media contribute little, if at all, to political knowledge," write the authors.

While interacting with social media is not increasing people's knowledge of politics, the second study finds that social media does teach partisans to increasingly dislike their opponents, according to University of Amsterdam digital geographer Petter Törnberg. In his new article in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, he argues that digital media are driving affective polarization by enhancing the process of partisan sorting. Affective polarization is defined as the difference between positive in-group bias toward the party someone supports and negative out-group bias toward other parties.

Törnberg observes that accumulating data indicate that political polarization in the U.S. and other countries is not growing because people are increasingly isolating themselves with like-minded folks in social media echo chambers that confirm the righteousness of their views. Instead, Törnberg notes that the "empirical literature suggests that digitalization does not appear to lead to a reduction of interaction across political divide, but quite the opposite: it confronts us with diverse individuals, perspectives, and viewpoints, often in contentious ways." So how might social media contribute to the apparent increase in partisan rancor? Törnberg develops a model showing how political disputes, controversies, and debates on nonlocal social media can drive people to adopt increasingly extreme positions.

Back in the good old days, political and other differences of opinion were largely local and neighbors had many cross-cutting issues and commonalities that moderated their views of those who disagreed with them. "Social conflict is sustainable as long as there are multiple and non-overlapping lines of disagreement: we may differ on our views on one issue but agree on another; we may vote differently, but if we support the same football team or go to the same church, there remains space for interpersonal respect," writes Törnberg. "The recent rise in polarization is thus expressive of a gradual breakdown of this cohesive glue, driven by a gradual alignment of social, economic, geographic, and ideological differences and conflicts."

In Törnberg's model, the moderating influences of cross-cutting local social ties have loosened as people spend more time attending to and picking sides in nonlocal partisan Twitter fights. "By connecting individuals with others from outside their local social bubbles, digital media pressure local political cultures to align globally," he argues. "Over time, the system comes to sort on the global scale, with a single political culture becoming system-wide." That single political culture polarizes into two mutually hostile tribes.

Based on the results of his model, Törnberg argues that we need to rethink "digital media as not merely arenas for rational deliberation and political debate but as spaces for social identity formation and for symbolic displays of solidarity with allies and difference from outgroups. Digital media do not isolate us from opposing ideas; au contraire, they throw us into a national political war, in which we are forced to take sides."

The paradoxical conclusion of his analysis is it "suggests that attempts of media platforms to reduce polarization by acting against echo chambers—algorithmically increasing exposure to opposing ideas—may backfire, instead resulting in intensified polarization and conflict." Any similar effort by, say, a federal Disinformation Governance Board would surely inflame cultural warfare even more.

Of course no political science research is dispositive, but the disheartening upshot of these two exploratory studies is that social media users learn essentially nothing about actual political issues—but do learn to hate their political opponents.

For more background on political polarization in the United States, check out my article, "Why Is It So Hard To Admit When You're Wrong?"

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  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Back in the good old days, political and other differences of opinion were largely local and neighbors had many cross-cutting issues and commonalities that moderated their views of those who disagreed with them. "Social conflict is sustainable as long as there are multiple and non-overlapping lines of disagreement: we may differ on our views on one issue but agree on another; we may vote differently, but if we support the same football team or go to the same church, there remains space for interpersonal respect," writes Törnberg. "The recent rise in polarization is thus expressive of a gradual breakdown of this cohesive glue, driven by a gradual alignment of social, economic, geographic, and ideological differences and conflicts."

    Reflexively opposing anything the other team supports as a matter of principle and a dogged determination to erase any common ground between teams has resulted in polarization, conflict, and a breakdown in society?

    Wow. Who'd a thunk it.

    1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

      Stop trying to steal "my" woman from me, by making me look bad, by being more data-driven than I am!

      In political discussions (especially on-line, in chat rooms and comments boards), many of us are familiar with “echo chambers” and “confirmation bias”. Also “projection” (if I am a jerk and act out of totally short-sighted self-interest, then I will assume that others are just like me). And many of us are tribalistic, nationalistic, ethnic-group, religious, or political-party chauvinists… My tribe good, yours bad! My violence good, yours bad! These things are fairly familiar to many of us.

      What is NOT as well known, is “Do Gooder Derogation”, AKA “Antisocial Punishment”. It is counter-intuitive! Here, I’ll try to make it short: From https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201016-why-some-people-are-cruel-to-others ... An out-take from there is as follows: “This phenomenon is called “do-gooder derogation”. It can be found around the world. In hunter-gatherer societies, successful hunters are criticised for catching a big animal even though their catch means everyone gets more meat. ”

      End out-take. To me, sociobiology is often intuitive. At first glance, the hunter-gatherer tendency (instinctually driven?) to immediately “take down a peg or two” the hunter-hero who just bagged a good kill of “red meat” to help feed me? This is counter-intuitive! But take a deeper, more thoughtful look at it: If we make a BIG hero out of the hunter-hero, he might steal all of our women, and make all of our babies! So the tribal shaman will remind the hunter-hero, and the tribe, that it is the shaman that knows how to beat the drums just exactly the right way, who drives away the sun-god-eating (eclipse) demons, and make the demons un-eat the sun-god! And the tribal artist will remind everyone that it is he (maybe even sometimes she) who knows the right way to carve the mammoth tusk, to make a magical fertility icon-figurine, and keep the tribe fertile. We are ALL heroes around here, and NOT just the hunter-hero! So the hunter-hero needs to be reminded of that, so that he’ll not steal ALL of our women!

      The knuckle-dragging troglodytes among us, on the internet, even when we know darned well that most of the commenters are anonymous, go into an instinctually-driven mode of “punish the people who are wise, benevolent, and correct”, and make them look bad! Else they might steal my wife or girlfriend, and make my babies”! It is knee-jerk stupidity, on a largely-anonymous chat board, but there it is!

      MUCH more (about ALL of this) is to be found at http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        I rarely read your entire posts, but this was an exception. Makes sense.

        1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

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          2. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

            Hi Tulpa!

            “Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:

            Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
            My life is a mess,
            Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
            I whinny seductively for the horses,
            They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
            My real name is Mary Stack,
            NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
            On disability, I live all alone,
            Spend desperate nights by the phone,
            I found a man named Richard (Dick) Decker,
            But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
            Dick Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
            I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!

            So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/#comments-wrapper
            Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
            Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
            Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
            Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
            Pause…
            Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
            And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!

            So Richard Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!

            So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!

            But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
            Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!

            Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!

            Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!

            What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?

            -Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
            Yours Truly,
            R Mac / Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan

    2. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

      Does it say anything about commenters who claim to be fair but are just lying partisan hacks?

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

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  2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

    Well shit. So do demands for the One Single Truth about climate catastrophe, GMOs, masking, social distancing, the source of COVID, the efficacy and safety of vaccinations (both COVID and everything else, strangely in opposite camps), basic economics, trusting the FBI, ....

    How long a list do you want?

    1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

      Can we just use your ellipsis to mean "everything?"

      Because I don't really trust anyone who says science is settled or that I can't ask valid questions about something complex.

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

        Absolutely what I intended.

        1. mtrueman   3 years ago (edited)

          Books have a good reputation for their ability to store and transmit knowledge. Before books, scrolls were used, and cuneiform tablets before that. It was these technologies that enabled vast civilizations to form and prosper.

          1. CE   3 years ago

            The Internet is even better in terms of storing and transmitting knowledge.

            But it turns political arguments from face-to-face encounters, where you have to be polite and respectful to avoid getting punched, into online anonymous free-for-alls where anything goes.

            1. mtrueman   3 years ago

              "The Internet is even better in terms of storing and transmitting knowledge."

              That remains to be seen. Some illuminated texts from the middle ages are just as legible today as they were 1000 years ago. (Book of Kells circa 700 AD) I'm not sure about the documents I wrote in Word Perfect not all that long ago.

              1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

                Your mentally ill gibberings and 9/11 truther conspiracy theories are still perfectly legible, it's just that nobody wants to read them because they have no value, kinda like your life.

              2. Dan S.   3 years ago

                Word Perfect actually still exists: http://www.wordperfect.com. I'm pretty sure it can still read files from the classic WordPerfect 5.1 and let them be resaved in more currently popular formats. My brother prefers it to MS Word.

                1. mtrueman   3 years ago

                  WP is still around, I just checked the AUR, arch users repository, supposedly the world's greatest repository of software.

                  [mx@march ~]$ yay wordperfect
                  2 extra/libwpg 0.3.3-3 (129.6 KiB 1.4 MiB)
                  Library for importing and converting Corel WordPerfect(tm) Graphics images.
                  1 extra/libwpd 0.10.3-3 (994.6 KiB 14.5 MiB)
                  Library for importing WordPerfect (tm) documents
                  ==> Packages to install (eg: 1 2 3, 1-3 or ^4)
                  ==>

                  Cuneiforms have been around since they were produced some 5000 years ago and are still readable if you've mastered ancient Sumerian.

                  I recommend this book:
                  http://library.lol/main/93F11C0D187346823D08B9A8F1F06517
                  The Swerve, How the World Became Modern, about the search and rediscovery of Lucretius' philosophical poem at the dawn of the Renaissance. A true adventure/detective/political drama.

              3. Brian   3 years ago

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

            2. J. K. Taylor   3 years ago

              I think you’re on to something very important. It’s easy to “pile on” in a frenzy of mob behavior via social media. This likely explains the “talking head” media’s over the top influence, not to mention pro & con politicians who preach & posture for this media. This is unlike the good old days (~ 25 years ago), when these adversaries settled things “civilly” over an after hours drink or game of golf. I think we can blame the “30 second” sound bite media for this.

          2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

            It was these technologies that enabled vast civilizations to form and prosper.

            Although a pedant might point out that when Alexander's forces arrived in India they found a civilization larger, wealthier, and more sophisticated than his own, to whom writing was unknown.

            1. mtrueman   3 years ago

              It was the Greeks who went to India. Not the other way around. To store and transmit information over large distances, books and scrolls have proved very useful.

              When Rome lost its access to cheap and plentiful papyrus from Egypt the empire soon fell and Europe entered the dark ages. Books were written on treated animal skins and were very beautiful and durable, but extremely expensive and time consuming to produce. Literacy fell to a fraction of what it was at the peak of the Roman empire. Europe didn't recover its glory until the introduction of paper from China via the Islamic world, and really took off with the invention of moveable print.

              1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

                All very true!

                Thank you for being a fart smeller... I mean, a smart feller... And bringing some actual FACTUAL data to this sorry mess of a poo-flinging fest here!

                1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

                  It's embarrassing that poor sarcasmic thinks people like mtrueman the 9/11 truther and cycotoxic the morbidly obese lardass piece of shit are intellectual giants. All the more so because compared to him, they are.

              2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

                when Alexander’s forces arrived in India

                * * *

                It was the Greeks who went to India. Not the other way around.

                ??

                When Rome lost its access to cheap and plentiful papyrus from Egypt the empire soon fell and Europe entered the dark ages.

                The Roman Empire didn't fall until the 15th century. The 'literacy rates' in Roman Gaul and Britain were never particularly high, even at the height of the Empire.

                The "Renaissance" was nothing of the sort - it was the emergence of a literate European culture that hadn't existed before.

                None of which has anything to do with whether or not a thriving, powerful and sophisticated empire developed in India without writing a single word.

                1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

                  mtrueman is a historically illiterate fucking moron who desperately tries to drop what he considers to be esoteric facts that he's either concocted from whole cloth or misremembered. The only bright side is that sarcasmic hangs on his every word, so he might end up goading him into breaking into the pentagon to find the secret Mossad 9/11 tapes and get his drunken brains blown out.

                  1. mtrueman   3 years ago

                    I like your style. You'll need more assholes and more shit though, if you want to reach the heights of Sevo's best nuggets of wisdom.

                2. mtrueman   3 years ago

                  "It was the Greeks who went to India. Not the other way around.

                  ??"

                  Beware of Greeks bearing books, is all.

                  "The Roman Empire didn’t fall until the 15th century. "

                  The difficulty Romans had in obtaining cheap and plentiful papyrus from Egypt dates back to the split between Rome and Here I Come Constantinople.

                3. mtrueman   3 years ago

                  "The ‘literacy rates’ in Roman Gaul and Britain were never particularly high"

                  They were never Rome neither. Rome was the city, the capital of the empire where all the most important people lived, and where all documents either originated or ended up. To coin a phrase, all paper trails lead to Rome.

                  "The “Renaissance” was nothing of the sort – it was the emergence of a literate European culture that hadn’t existed before."

                  Untrue. It was the rediscovery of the Greek classics, often via the Islamic world. There a wonderful book about the Renaissance man of letters who goes on a quest for Lucrecius' poem On The Nature of Things, a materialist philosophical treatise in verse. He finds it in an obscure monastery library after a long and arduous trip across the mountains of Switzerland.

                  "None of which has anything to do with whether or not a thriving, powerful and sophisticated empire developed in India without writing a single word."

                  They had memory. The Upanishads are enormous and people would commit them to memory. Greek literature began with Homer in much the same way. Did India have writing. The Edicts of Ashoka, greatest emperor India has known. Wikipedia will be happy to enlighten you. The Edicts were posted within a year of his taking the com.

                  1. mtrueman   3 years ago

                    " Did India have writing."

                    Good question. Did the Indians have writing? Maybe yes, maybe no. Did the Brahmans (Brahmen?) have writing? Most certainly.

                    1. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

                      Thanks, mtrueman, for TRYING to lead the rubes to water! As I'm sure you know, they usually don't want to drink, and you can't MAKE them drink, of course.

                      If you're not thoroughly familiar with "tribalism" compounded with "do-gooder derogation" (both of which are probably sociobiologically pre-programmed in humans by now, to some extent), you, being a fart smeller, might find some interesting things to read, in these well-documented links below:

                      For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .

                    2. SQRLSY One   3 years ago

                      Bizarrely enough, I have even stumbled across a sci-fi tale based on these "do-gooder-etc." ideas!!!

                      https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0BDD6WKT3/reasonmagazinea-20/

  3. Illocust   3 years ago

    Makes sense. When me (heavily libertarian leaning) and my friend (heavily socialist) talk politics we end up focusing on our commonalities (nuclear power is good), because we both like and respect each other. When I talk on this website I get in pretty vicious disagreements with people who are politically near identical to myself, because to be blunt, the only value my interactions with people in the comments is is the entertainment I get from debate.

    I long ago made my social media accounts no politics zones, for the sake of my mental health.

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

      That's because humans evolved for face to face communications, watching facial muscles and blood flow for hints about speech providing real time feedback and responses. Written communications have to rely on very subtle wording and grammar, and suck.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        Written communications have to rely on very subtle wording and grammar, and suck.

        The suck is never subtle. 🙂

    2. Rob Misek   3 years ago

      The purpose of politics is to divide, polarize, generally into two groups us and them.

      The purpose of social media is to communicate, the sharing of truth brings us together.

      Truth undermines politics and politics denies truth.

      Politicians lie. Using social media to lie spreads polarization faster than ever before in history.

      People need to be held accountable for the coercion of lying. Eliminating anonymity on the internet and criminalizing lying will civilize and empower social media.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        Yes, we’re well aware of your ‘criminalize lying’ scheme to get the Jews. Your forebears didn’t manage to wipe them all out, so this is part of your crackpot plan to take another crack at them.

        1. Rob Misek   3 years ago

          The sky isn’t falling Jew.

          Even though criminalizing lying will force Judaism to discard the Kol Nidre, their holiest chant, that does no physical harm.

          Criminalizing lying will stop all people from benefiting from that coercion.

        2. Rob Misek   3 years ago

          Your cherished bogeyman narrative is the penultimate “us vs them” meme.

    3. J. K. Taylor   3 years ago

      Excellent points…and without being hostile & crude. Thanks for your “civility”.

  4. MWAocdoc   3 years ago

    It's not clear to me from this article what "political knowledge" they were testing for a "gain" for. It's also not clear to me how they selected the subjects for their studies. Selection bias is a major source of noise in polling data and is likely to reduce the credibility of "online social media" studies also. Before I totally dropped Facebook it was clear to me that I was gaining nothing from reading or discussing issues and that the so-called "fact" checkers were actually "opinion" checkers. Even on Reason's discussions most of the posts are not fact- or logic-based and I can see how this would fail to increase our knowledge base while increaseing the "flaming" level.

    1. CE   3 years ago

      Along the lines of the "research" showing that people who watch MSNBC were more likely to "correctly" know that COVID didn't originate in a lab.

      1. Square = Circle   3 years ago

        Along the lines of the “research” showing that people who watch MSNBC were more likely to “correctly” know that COVID didn’t originate in a lab.

        And Fox viewers were more likely to have been exposed to the misinformation that it might have.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Yeah, Bailey, who presumably has access to the “Journal of Communication”, should have said more about what they meant by “political knowledge”.

  5. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    While interacting with social media is not increasing people's knowledge of politics, the second study finds that social media does teach partisans to increasingly dislike their opponents,

    How exactly does that happen? It has to polarize people some way. The only way I can see social media doing that is that it provides people with more information that causes them to hate the other side more. Maybe, that knowledge is wrong. But, there is nothing that says it has to be. It could very well be that the more we know, the greater our differences become.

    In fact, I think that is almost certainly the case. It is easy to sing kumbaya on something you don't know anything about or have any skin in the solution.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      That could be true, but there are also two well-known dynamics that drive polarization that are not because of people getting more access to valid information:
      - No personal acquaintance, using handles instead of real names: unleashes asshole-ish behavior, which by itself drives polarization.
      - Confirmation bias: Standing at the big buffet of information, people often pick only the information that confirms what they already believe. Often they pick information that isn’t even true.

    2. mtrueman   3 years ago

      " Maybe, that knowledge is wrong. But, there is nothing that says it has to be."

      The veracity of the content is not important. The algorithm is designed to provoke an emotional response, anger works very well, and that engenders page views and clicks, which platforms use to increase ad revenues.

  6. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    I'm going to have to read this article closely... but um, is this the slow (increasingly rapid) turn of the Flagship Libertarian Production lamenting that the free, open exchange of ideas doesn't make the world a better place?

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Man, this study appears to be an attempt to leverage the idea that Social Media needs to be more censored and governed by a central authority.

      Do you know why I knew there was going to be a massive, earth-shattering trucker protest in Ottawa three weeks before it happened? Because of social media. Not because of traditional, gatekeeper-based news, but because of social media. My political knowledge increased.

      Do you know why I know that NIH researchers receive royalties from major pharmaceutical companies thus creating an incentive for the NIH to recommend patented drugs for various treatments? Because of social media.

      This all reeks of the end of the political spectrum that thinks social media doesn't censor enough, vs the end of the spectrum that thinks it censors too much.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        Do you know why so many people "know" that there are microchips in the COVID vaccines? Social media.

        Do you know why so many people "know" that the 2020 election was full of massive fraud and stolen from Trump? Social media.

        So, the information flow cuts both ways.

        As libertarians of course we support liberty not based on utilitarian concepts, but for its own sake. But, if you are going to try to make the utilitarian case for social media, as you appear to be doing, then you must add up both the benefits AND the costs.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          One tribe's truth is the other tribe's bullshit.

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          Do you know why so many people “know” that there are microchips in the COVID vaccines? Social media.

          Do you know why people "know" that a vaccine mandate is a scientifically justifiable idea?

          Do you know why so many people “know” that the 2020 election was full of massive fraud and stolen from Trump? Social media.

          Do you know why so many people thought the 2016 election was illegitimate because of a Dossier that was promoted by every major news agency?

          As libertarians of course we support liberty not based on utilitarian concepts, but for its own sake. But, if you are going to try to make the utilitarian case for social media, as you appear to be doing, then you must add up both the benefits AND the costs.

          I do add up the costs. But the costs of social media that I'm concerned about aren't really meant for this thread. There are costs to the realization that young women can show their asses for 'likes'. There are costs to the images that "influencers" put online that show people clearly too young to afford fabulous lifestyles in said lifestyles.

          Freedom of speech always has downsides, but we make the argument for freedom of speech because the interplay of ideas is how truth is worked out.

          Social media has been one of the greatest tools (on balance) for the free exchange of ideas, which is why the elites, and the social media companies themselves hate it. It's why the elite media has turned against freedom of speech, and even the first amendment.

          Once they no longer controlled the narrative, the attitude switched from the internet being a 'transformative technology' to one that only serves to 'divide us'.

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

            To wit.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

              And you've listened to all of the Youtube videos that are contrary to her opinion, right? Right?

              1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

                Why can’t you just choke to death on a ham sandwich? Like the one that took out Mama Cass.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            Freedom of speech always has downsides, but we make the argument for freedom of speech because the interplay of ideas is how truth is worked out.

            "Truth" is not worked out in a social media scrum where every moron gets to contribute their "considered opinion".

            Discovery of truth requires careful consideration of ideas within an environment that fosters respectful debate and exploration. Discovery of REAL truth cannot occur in a shouting match among demagogues and riled-up mobs.

            Your Youtube feed isn't delivering "truth". It is delivering exactly the product you want it to deliver, which is confirmation of your biases.

            Social media does not produce "truth". It produces endless amounts of confirmation bias.

            1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

              “Truth” is not worked out in a social media scrum where every moron gets to contribute their “considered opinion”.

              No, it's worked out in carefully moderated discussions where only facts are allowed in, filtered by official fact-checking organizations hired by Media Matters.

      2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        How was it “earth-shattering”?

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          What would you call having your banking frozen for honking your horn on a downtown street?

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          You can't see the connection between the NIH officials promoting a on-patent drug over a repurposed drug vs one that literally puts money in their pocket?

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            What does that have to do with whether the Ottawan trucker protests were “earth-shattering” or not?

            I recall friends from Ottawa expressing annoyance at the protests more than anything.

            1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

              Yeah, I bet your girlfriend from Canada told you all about right you fucking lying sack of cunt discharge?

              1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                Woh-K. Nice talking to you, Tulpa! Muting...

        3. The Glibertine Party   3 years ago

          they annoyed the hell out of a lot of people trying to relax in their homes by laying on their truck horns and blocking roads, because the government didn't let enough people fend for themselves and die by not imposing any restrictions during the recent plague... that's something!

          1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

            They should have peacefully murdered 3 dozen people and caused 3 billion dollars worth of property damage so you could gargle their nuts, shreek.

          2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            We should diagram that sentence.

            Nobody has answered how the Ottawa trucker protest was "earth shattering".

            1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

              You’ve never explained why you’re such a leftist piece of crap.

              So why ask why?

      3. mad.casual   3 years ago (edited)

        Man, this study appears to be an attempt to leverage the idea that Social Media needs to be more censored and governed by a central authority.

        The almost God-like (or God-particle-like, whatever) induction of polarization in the latter paper is astounding. Essentially, imagine an array of points across n-dimensional space. Pushing them all to the left, right, up, or down in any given dimension doesn’t polarize the points. Even specifically separating them in any given dimension doesn’t necessarily polarize and may even depolarize them outside of the given dimension. The author doesn’t recognize or ascribe this as an active flaw in the operation of the medium or of the study but, instead, practically ascribes it as a sort of universal force across the whole n-dimensional field.

        The analogy that springs to mind is the movie Arrival. *Spoilers* Non-vocal aliens arrive on Earth (about as non-local as you can get). Scientists from around the world are clamoring to communicate with them. One of the linguists (the protagonist) is slowly working with the aliens, prodding through “I”, “you”, “eat”, etc., another competing linguist teaches them Mahjong. The protagonist points out how dangerous this is as even among games, Mahjong is strictly adversarial and zero-sum. The research in this paper, rather than the exceedingly obvious consideration of their own bias, potential distortions from operators of the network, or construction of the linguistic framework, instead seems to imply, if not outright state, that the very fabric, the underlying linguistic space, of digital/non-local communication medium is adversarial and zero sum.

        Highlighting his stupidity:
        -Democrats and Republicans cannot effectively play a game of poker on the social media.

        -TERFs and Evangelicals opposing transgender idiocy is polarization.

        -Leftists adopting the language and tactics of Nazis and Fundamentalist Christian Puritans on Social Media is polarization.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Even specifically separating them in any given dimension doesn’t necessarily polarize and may even depolarize them outside of the given dimension. The author doesn’t recognize or ascribe this as an active flaw in the operation of the medium or of the study but, instead, practically ascribes it as a sort of universal force across the whole n-dimensional field.

          I arguably stole a base (or two) here. For the points to become polarized, you, or someone, has to flatten the space and push them in opposite directions away from a unified middle. The author assumes this is just inherent to non-local communication and not deliberate action on the part of himself or Twitter/FB. Literally, Deus ex Machina.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Shorter:

      Sans social media: The science is settled.
      With social media: Um, don't think so.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        Shorter:

        Sans social media: The science is settled.
        With social media: Um, don’t think so.

        YES. When the study says "polarized", it means "causes people to question the approved narative and facts". A lot of issues should be polarized. They are really important and involve a lot of complex and competing values such that there isn't one easy answer. Whenever someone decries politics being "polarized", in my experience they are just angry that the other side is getting its say and are not being forced to agree with whatever the author's preferred position is.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          In my experience "polarized" means "I hate the other tribe so I must oppose whatever they support and support whatever they oppose!"

          No debate. No exchange of ideas. No search for common ground. Just tribal warfare.

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

            No debate. No exchange of ideas. No search for common ground. Just tribal warfare.

            That's why we need to modulate the exchange of ideas, and cancel those youtube creators who found common ground between left and right. To stop polarization.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

              I assume that is sarcasm. Do you have examples of this?

              Never mind. I'm turning off the computer. Later.

              1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

                If only you'd started on that note, about 15 years ago.

            2. damikesc   3 years ago

              I know I am glad Jon Stewart showed us the error of our ways in televising debates of conservatives v liberals and, instead, brought us the wonderful political discussions we have now.

          2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

            In my experience “polarized” means “I hate the other tribe so I must oppose whatever they support and support whatever they oppose!”

            That is because you don't understand what is going on or either position. There are few lazier and more useless ideas than "everyone is just a partisan but me". This is going to come as a shock to you but people have different values than you and have different opinions than you do. It is funny that you accuse "partisans" of what is in truth your biggest sin. You don't like partisans because they have opinions you don't like. Everything else you say is just rationalizations for not admitting that.

          3. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

            I wonder if you realize how hard you just own goaled yourself literally confessing to what you accuse others of doing.

        2. mad.casual   3 years ago

          When the study says “polarized”

          It's because the person conducting the study has an axe to grind.

          Imagine saying, "Paintings don't improve political (or artistic or whatever) knowledge but do polarize us." or "Games don't improve political (or athletic or whatever) knowledge but do polarize us." or "The English language doesn't improve political (or linguistic or whatever) knowledge but does polarize us."

          The dimensional space is just too large for polarity to make any sense but, sure enough, the author plods right ahead with cramming 20 lbs. of bullshit into a 10 lb. bag and flinging it at the rest of us.

    3. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      The contention that social media doesn't make people more knowledgeable about politics and the contention that social media makes people more polarized about politics are mutually exclusive. If social media is causing people to become more hardened and extreme in their political positions, it has to be because social media is imparting information to those people that causes them to change their opinions into something less moderate.

      One underlying assumption of the article is that people knowing more makes politics less polarized. And that is just fucking nonsense. The other unsaid assumption is that if people are becoming polarized it is because they either don't know or have been fed bad information. Again, that is just nonsense. It never seems to occur to Bailey that maybe being more informed about a subject could make a person more committed to their particular side rather than less.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        I agree that it definitely seems "less polarized" when everyone stands in a circle, looking outward with their arms crossed saying "The science is settled, and don't you worry your pretty head about what's going on behind us."

        Vs a bunch of people standing in random locations saying, "I disagree".

        Of course that appears more polarized.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          Like I say above, whenever someone decries politics being “polarized”, in my experience they are just angry that the other side is getting its say and are not being forced to agree with whatever the speaker's preferred position is.

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

            Nope. When I decry polarization, I am decrying a nation that could be thriving and pleasant descending into partisan stupidity and petty mean-spiritedness.

            1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

              That is what you tell yourself. Anyone who reads what you write on here knows that you are just decrying everyone not being forced to agree with you. "Partisan stupidity" is just your dishonest way of characterizing opinions you don't like. I am not sure it is dishonesty or just an epic lack of self awareness on your part, but your claim here is laughable none the less.

              1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                Point to one example.

                1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

                  The mere fact that you call it partisan stupidity shows how your arguments are in bad faith. You won't even acknowledge that people could have genuinely held positions you don't like. Nope. They are acting in bad faith and just taking the position because the tribe tells them to. It is your way of avoiding actual debate. You just declare the position illegitimate and move on.

                  1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                    That might make sense if I weren't calling both Red and Blue Team stupid at the same time.

                    1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

                      So only 99% of the time, not 100%........

                    2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

                      No, you generally come down on Team Blue’s side. Unless that isn’t feasible, then ‘both sides’ comes out. My Marxist ain’t pulls the same crap when I have her cornered in a debate.

                2. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

                  There was that time one post above this one where you were a whinging little faggot bitch, Episiarch.

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Törnberg's model demonstrates that Social Media is making people more polarized.

        Completely coincidentally, his model also shows the Earth warming by at least 2 degrees over the next century 80 yrs.

  7. JFree   3 years ago

    I wonder if the same non-learning occurs in other mass media. Like maybe the 1st amendment is utterly useless other than freedom

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Like maybe the 1st amendment is utterly useless other than freedom

      The 1A, a law 300 yrs. after the printing press and 200 yrs. before the internet seems rather arbitrary and irrelevant in the history of (mechanics of) speech or communications. Are you saying we should go back to The Church controlling who gets to learn English and what books get printed or all the way back to nobody speaking English?

  8. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    I mean, ffs, I have dramatically increased my political knowledge by reading the vapid, semi-retarded hot takes from so-called respected journalists. Without Twitter, how would I know how stupid your average WaPo reporter is?

    1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

      You make an excellent point.

  9. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    The article and the study take it for granted that politics being "polarized" is a bad thing. That is just not true. Important issues should be polarizing. They involve complex decisions affecting important things and the competing values and interests of potentially hundreds of millions of people. How could any important political issue not be polarizing? The only way it couldn't would be if society suddenly turned into paradise with everyone no longer willing to act in their own interests or if one side of the issue entirely suppressed all dissenting views. The first possibility is never going to happen and the second possibility is called a police state.

    Yeah, I am happy with polarization. What Bailey and the authors of this study call "polarization" is really just everyone getting a say in the things that effect their lives.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Polarized politics is what creates "divided government", something Reason aggressively supported until *checks browsing history* yesterday.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        They had DeRugy out this week singing the virtues of "Bipartisanship". Pretty much every big government bad idea that has been enacted in my lifetime has been some kind of "bipartisan" scheme. Anyone who mistrusts and wants to limit government should be very skeptical of anything bipartisan. But reason now thinks that being bipartisan is the best thing ever. There are just all of these easy solutions that both sides will agree on if they only would.

  10. CE   3 years ago

    There is some learning, but no one changes their mind.
    People learn how to repeat arguments other people make, so they can argue their points more effectively.
    People learn how to shout down non-conformists as a mob.
    People learn how to not say too much to avoid getting shouted down by the mob and canceled and doxed.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      I can remember the heady days when publications like reason were sure that social media would usher in an age of freedom and enlightenment because it would allow people to communicate and form associations more freely. Being Utopians, it never occurred to Reason that another name for "association" is a "mob".

      Social media didn't usher in an age of freedom and free expression. It ushered in an age of oppression and mob rule.

  11. Truthteller1   3 years ago

    What the hell is meant by "political knowledge"?

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      That is a good question. It seems to be "the approved version of the facts", which doesn't leave much room for dissent now does it.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      You're well within the borders and stated guidelines of the Study's authors as it pertains to ideological conclusions.

    3. Eeyore   3 years ago

      Knowing who the current president is. Man do I wish I had some more ignorance.

    4. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

      The Democrats and their friends at the FBI seem to be very concerned about what Americans are “not learning” from social media.

      1. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

        Ha ha ha apparently Google also.

        Just did a Google search for “cia letter regarding Hunter Biden’s laptop” and I got:

        It looks like the results below are changing quickly
        If this topic is new, it can sometimes take time for reliable sources to publish information
        Check the source
        Are they trusted on this topic?
        Come back later
        Other sources might have more information on this topic in a few hours or days

        Of course, this is due to Foxnews grilling David Priess (one of the CIA goons that signed the letter calling the Hunter Biden laptop story “Russian misinformation” right before the election) a couple days ago.

    5. Dillinger   3 years ago

      agreeing with Ron.

  12. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

    In the US, the two-party system and winner-take-all elections form a template into which divisiveness crystallizes. Social media within that context is different from how social media would be in a different context.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Brilliant.

    2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      In the US, the two-party system and winner-take-all elections form a template into which divisiveness crystallizes.

      Elections are by their very definition "winner takes all". Decisions have to be made you half wit.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

        Sure, let’s ignore the concept of proportional representation exists, and throw in a personal insult while we’re at it.

        For a common example, states could allocate their electoral votes proportionally, but they don’t — the vast majority allocate all their electoral votes to the winner.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          Sure, let’s ignore the concept of proportional representation exists, and throw in a personal insult while we’re at it.

          Proportional representation still has one winner. And countries that use it are even more polarized than the US. Only a half wit or a liar could claim proportional representation would cause less political division. Which are you?

          1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

            Which are you?

            Embrace the power of and.

          2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            "Proportional representation still has one winner."

            I just gave an example where there would not be one winner. You blew right past it, and personally insulted me again. Which I guess is the real point with you.

    3. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

      Hey Episiarch, remember when you asked for one example of you being a pathetic little faggot bitch whinging that you don't have a monopoly on the conversation? This would be one.

  13. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    At least one good thing is that since these were an Israeli and a Dutch study, no American tax dollars were spent on this sort of examination on whether water is wet. At least I hope so. Political discussions on social media are the equivalent of bumper stickers. Did anybody seriously expect to be informed by such crap?

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Political discussions on social media are the equivalent of bumper stickers. Did anybody seriously expect to be informed by such crap?

      Well, when the longer links are banned, or the long-form videos demonetized... then it gets kind of tricky.

  14. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Build your own financial empire.

    Kanye West: bank JP Morgan Chase cuts ties with rapper
    The decision to end the relationship with West and clothing brand Yeezy predates recent controversies and array of antisemitic comments

    The US bank JP Morgan Chase has ended its relationship with Kanye West and his clothing brand Yeezy Inc – although the decision predates the rapper and designer’s recent controversies in which he wore a “White Lives Matter” T-shirt and shared racist conspiracy theories in an unaired interview.

    Candace Owens, the conservative US commentator whom West has associated with in recent years, shared a letter from the bank, dated 20 September, on Twitter.

    The New York Times verified that the bank was ending its relationship with Yeezy LLC but would maintain the accounts until 21 November to allow sufficient time to transfer the account.

    I would recommend Ye swing over to Paypal. That seems like a payment platform that stays pretty non-political.

    1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      He can start his own bank.

  15. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Fantastic discussion of Elon Musk buying twitter. Best line(s) in the vid:

    "The left wing defense of property rights that always comes out when you say there should be more free speech on social media."

    "It does expose the fragility of that devil's bargain that the left made... what if one you don't like takes over!"

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Is that a video of Laurson and sarcasmic?

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Zing! Brilliant!

    2. Jerryskids   3 years ago

      What happens when the outcome of the lawsuit between Twitter and Musk results in Musk being ordered to pay Twitter $44 billion in damages but Musk doesn't get to buy Twitter?

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        I don't see any set of circumstances where that would be the outcome. They sued him to force him to go through with his offer. Once he changed his mind and said he would meet his end of the bargain, the lawsuit becomes moot.

    3. mtrueman   3 years ago

      “The left wing defense of property rights that always comes out when you say there should be more free speech on social media.”

      Why qualify it? What not just 'more speech?'

      Also nothing is free on social media. Facebook etc sell their subscribers view and clicks to advertisers. It's a business and the subscribers are the product.

    4. Tony   3 years ago

      These are arguments in favor of the state taking control of these companies in order to compel their publication of neo-Nazi propaganda, correct?

      There's nothing hypocritical about the "left" not favoring true socialism while also, perhaps, favoring regulating a business. There's plenty hypocritical about pro-free-market folks demanding that social media become organs of the state.

      1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

        There's already a video there, Tony, we didn't need a demonstration.

      2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        Amd here comes Tony, with his analytical faggotry on full display.

  16. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Back in the "good old days", there were far fewer media outlets and little communication between people on any specific subject. If you wanted more, you had to get up and go to a meeting or rally, and those were far more local in nature. The news was controlled between newspaper owners, the big three networks, and a few wire agencies. Thus, what they said was "truth" and "fact". Now, we know better and look through their bullshit. the real divide is between people who trust these sources (usually Democrats, primarily progressives) and those who do not (as they know they've been lied to by said sources far too many times).

  17. The Margrave of Azilia   3 years ago

    "Back in the good old days, political and other differences of opinion were largely local and neighbors had many cross-cutting issues and commonalities that moderated their views of those who disagreed with them."

    Is the author saying this straight or simply summarizing someone else?

    From the beginning of the Republic there were plenty of disputes which weren't local, or at least not treated as local.

    Local issues could be worked out among people who more or less respected each other and were civically engaged.

    Sometimes their civic engagement was over something in a remote area - fighting a remote king in London, supporting a Greek rebellion against Turkey, opposing slavery in other parts of the country, etc.

    Sometimes these broader issues came to the doorstep of these local communities, e.g., American Revolution, Civil War.

  18. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Increase your political knowledge through social media.

  19. Tony   3 years ago

    Well it's not like they had teams of neuroscientists ensuring these products were good for people. It's a long, tedious wait until the government realizes that social media is the next cigarette, just a useless thing that churns money by poking our brains where they're weakest. Maybe when we have leaders who have finally upgraded to a smart phone.

    Of course then they'll discover just how much porn is also on the internet, and won't that be a great day for freedom.

    1. Dorsey Winiarski   3 years ago

      Holy fuck Tony, did you really forget that you were playing the gallant free market warrior in this thread after all of 2 posts? Taking drinking lessons with sarcasmic? I've got bad news, he's already pozzed and you're quite a bit too old for him.

  20. IceTrey   3 years ago

    Our opponents insist on violating our liberty by initiating force so we should hate them.

    1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

      You must really hate the Jedi. Their whole stock in trade is the use of force. The Sith too.

      1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

        That's why Superman is the archetypal Progressive.

  21. Dillinger   3 years ago

    the only opponents are the elitist fucks running our ship into the ground.

  22. everspark   3 years ago (edited)

    I must be the exception! While I admit that it’s very difficult to find the needle of knowledge in the haystack of social media, I’ve had great luck on Twitter advancing my knowledge using a system of proposing questions and following up with a request for links or reading recommendations. It helped to have a great deal of followers. 99% of users are inept and/or excessively argumentative but, if you can block them out, you can advance your knowledge by crowdsourcing the remaining 1%. I've recently quit all social media while I begin to work through a backlog of books and ideas. For the record, I'm a registered Libertarian, celebrating the Mises caucus, exploring the systems of capitalistic anarchy, i.e. Georgism -> geoanarchy.

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  24. TJJ2000   3 years ago

    Humorously 'comments' are the only place I've found to go to find pertinent only semi-biased information by REAL people. Mass media outlets are far more biased, deceitful, manipulative and Full of B.S.. They get paid to be 'professionals' is such corrupt arts.

    So I'll throw this study itself in with the B.S. being put out on mass media.

    "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!", Chicken-Little enviro nut-jobs.

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  26. adhokrudnum   3 years ago

    Social Media is for connecting and entertainment, not learning. Learning is a personal thing not a group thing, that's why you'll never learn anything in a group outside of herd mentality where the most idiotic suggestions tend to be the most popular.

  27. Eeyore   3 years ago

    And social media shines light on the totalitarian tendencies they wish we would ignore. At least it should.

  28. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

    At least when users are permitted to do so.

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