Union Group Tries To Bully L.A. Times Into Burying Racist Remarks
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Racist remarks and intimidation attempts from Los Angeles leaders and labor officials. A major Los Angeles labor federation threatened the Los Angeles Times over a story about offensive remarks made by Los Angeles City Council President Nury Martinez in a conversation with Councilmembers Gil Cedillo and Kevin de León and Los Angeles County Federation of Labor President Ron Herrera.
During the October 2021 conversation—a recording of which was recently leaked—Martinez referred to Councilmember Mike Bonin (who is white) as a "little bitch," and said his son (who is black) was "parece changuito"—like a monkey—who needs to be beaten. "They're raising him like a little white kid," Martinez said. "I was like, this kid needs a beatdown. Let me take him around the corner and then I'll bring him back."
"Later in the conversation, the group talked about how Koreatown — a largely Latino neighborhood — should be handled in redistricting," noted the Times in an article published Sunday:
The group then questioned whether Shatto Place, a small street, and Lafayette Park are in Koreatown. "I see a lot of little short dark people," Martinez said of that section of Koreatown, employing stereotypes long used against Oaxacans in Mexico and in the United States. "I was like, I don't know where these people are from, I don't know what village they came [from], how they got here," Martinez said, before adding "Tan feos" — "They're ugly."
In the Times article, Martinez, de León, and Herrera each apologized, and Cedillo said he didn't recall the conversation.
Martinez subsequently resigned from the City Council, and Herrera resigned as president of the labor federation—a group representing 800,000 workers belonging to 300 unions.
"Racism in any form has no place in the House of Labor," interim federation President Thom Davis said in a statement Tuesday. "It is unconscionable that those elected to fight for our communities of color would engage in repulsive and vile anti-Black, anti-LGBTQ, anti-Asian and anti-Oaxacan remarks that pit our working communities against each other. These sentiments will not be tolerated by our organization or those who we represent."
This is a good response. But it wasn't the federation's first response. Prior to the Times story coming out, a lawyer for the labor federation tried to bully the Times into not publishing it. In an early Sunday email to Los Angeles Times editors, lawyer Julie Gutman Dickinson described the leaked conversation as "an illegal recording" that was made "in violation of California's privacy and recording laws."
"If the LA Times publishes this illegal recording, or information contained in it, it is condoning this illegal conduct and subjecting itself to legal liability," wrote Dickinson. "It is imperative for this reason, and to avoid harm to innocent people, that the LA Times refrains from publishing anything from the illegal recording."
The Los Angeles County Federation of Labor should probably get itself new counsel. If the recording was made illegally, any criminality accrues to the person who made the recording; the Los Angeles Times is not breaking any laws by reporting on it. And aside from being a dubious legal strategy, the threat is also a bad PR strategy. The union could have simply condemned Martinez's remarks and insisted that it does not condone them. Instead, it tried to intimidate a newspaper into burying the story.
In a letter to the union, Los Angeles Times General Counsel Jeff Glasser wrote that its response was "contrary to the United States and California Supreme Court constitutional law, which recognizes that the First Amendment fully protects news reports on illegally intercepted recordings about matters of public concern."
Citing a number of relevant cases, Glasser concluded that "the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor could not constitutionally hold liable LA Times or its journalists for publishing a recording of three LA City Council members and a county labor official making pejorative references to fellow City Council members."
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Racist remarks and intimidation attempts from Los Angeles leaders and labor officials.
At least they're not actually killing journalists.
Isn't this literally the exact same situation that project Veritas found itself in with PP? Why should the LA times find itself tested any differently?
The LA Times had a similar response:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/james-okeefe-la-times-agree-about-planned-parenthood-video-prosecution
2 years after the fact. And he is still being targeted.
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If Labor leaders can't be violent , racist thugs then that only means the world has finally moved past Labor leaders.
I'm just curious as to which party they are.
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The dirty secret of America’s racism, is that IN GENERAL blacks and hispanics are more racist towards each other than white people are to either one.
It's only a secret if you get all of your news from the progressive corporate media.
LOL, no kidding. This doesn't even have anything to do with the labor unions, it's solely an ethno-nationalist dispute.
The funny thing is, Martinez didn't say anything about child-rearing that isn't SOP among Hispanic families. Ask the average Latino about "la chancla," and watch the PTSD twitches from getting smacked in the head by abuela's shoe. I suspect the council members are getting far more heat for their comments about the city's Oaxacan-descended residents than for that Masshole fruitcake Bonin or his kid.
Hispanics mostly detest black people as shiftless, lazy complainers, or in the case of the drug cartels, as competition. A lot of the black migration from south central LA to the Antelope Valley over the last generation has been due to the cartels squeezing out black gangs from their turf.
It's not a secret at all. American white people are the only people in the entire world who aren't openly super racist. That's not to say that racism is a good thing or that we should tolerate more of it. It's good how racially enlightened your average American whitey is. But it's a simple fact that blacks, asians, latinos, and all the other people, as groups, are not as considerate with their language and behaviors as the average white person. The average white person would rather walk down the street naked than have someone accuse them of being biased for or against someone based on skin color, whether justified or not.
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My wife is Salvadoran. I like her.
Are you Hispanic?
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"The $965 million verdict is the second big judgment against the Infowars host for spreading the myth that the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history never happened, and that the grieving families seen in news coverage were actors hired as part of a plot to take away people's guns."
Now, *that* is a Big Lie! Too bad for Jones that he wasn't a politician or bureaucrat when he uttered it.
Ridiculous judgment.
Stalinism is fun!
Whatever the merits of the settlement, it sounds to me like it was Alex Jones trying to air-brush out history.
If you are a gun rights advocate make your best arguments for gun rights. Two fairly solid arguments are that mass shooters don’t care about following gun laws, and that good guys with guns have stopped mass shootings.
But don’t go around trying to deny mass shootings happen or they are horrible. For one thing, that makes it look like you have no better arguments for your position.
No it doesn't. What the fuck is even the point of this comment?
I don’t understand how what he did, even if I conceded it was defamatory, can possibly be worth that kind of harm.
I’m not in favor of a jury voting that someone they don’t like isn’t entitled to his money. Compensation is supposed make people whole and cover the damages they suffered, but there’s not a billion dollars worth of damage across the 12is plaintiffs.
Yeah, the judgement is ridiculous. And I think he did defame them, though I concede I didn't follow the trial arguments.
I still question what the defamation is? Calling someone a crisis actor is an opinion, not a statement of fact. At the time these families were in the public eye giving public interviews, so would fall under public person doctrine based on past rulings.
But the actual damages is even more odd. What damages did they actually incur?
There is no sense in trying to find a reasonable explanation for this judgement in a world in which a cable news network's most watched host is not considered news for the purpose of a defamation trial and the founder of a conspiracy website is.
I get emotional harm, but not defamation.
How does this square against judgements against cops who actually commit the murders? This is ridiculous for every individual family let alone the entire group of them.
Yeah, the judgement seems wrong although Alex Jones was an asshole for saying the things he said.
But I have to admit I haven’t followed the trial or the arguments, and don’t want to take the time to do so.
So operating in your usual manner.
Do you have a citation?
POS Jones didn't just merely state his opinions or make statements. Infowars gave this man a camera crew and a platform to fundraise so he could go stalk and harass the parents of these children. He egged this nutjob on so he could get ratings and make profit off of slaughtered 6 year olds.
https://news.yahoo.com/second-day-alex-jones-trial-220101782.html
So do you think the billion dollar judgment is appropriate?
There wasn't even a trial per se, it was just a summary judgment followed by a hearing on damages. He wasn't allowed to present a defense because judge said he was interfering with discovery.
Biden apparently threatened arm sales to SA if they didn't delay their oil reduction until after US elections. SA has now verified they were asked to hold off until after the elections.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1580383630433878016
Link has statement from SA.
Pid Pro Quo is impeachment now right?
Return to norms. Adults in charge.
Biden should be impeached on a number of issues, this included. Of course, it seems par for the course for Biden to ask for quid pro quo to help him and his family.
Think about it...no Republicans will vote to impeach or convict because that will make Kamala Harris President. Having someone like her in the wings is pretty good insurance against removal from office before end of term.
If she does become President, she will have to pick a VP even less popular than herself while checking the proper Democrat boxes. I suggest Masie Hirono.
Hilary Clinton. It's Her Turn (again).
Arming the members of Something Awful is going to give us a whole new meaning to the word Clusterfuck.
We’ve been arming them for years, and they’ve been using our arms to kill civilians in Yemen. It’s already a clusterfuck.
Yeah, this is even more naked than what Trump did. Trump withheld payments while asking them to look into corruption, which explicitly is tied into the problem of sending them money.
Biden asked them to delay something that's going to have an economic effect until after the election. It's blatantly leveraging benefits for his own administration, without actually benefitting the USA at all in the long run.
I wouldn't impeach for this, but I do feel it's worth calling out the Democratic hypocrisy if they ever want to claim Trump's impeachment was not purely political.
My understanding is that Trump never withheld payments form Ukraine but only discussed with staff Ukraine never knew about the idea of witholding monies, not much of threat when they don't even know about it.
If you spin it the right way or are a gullible Trump fan.
The Trump administration had not released the funds and the deadline for doing so was near, when a whistleblower told about the infamous phone call. At the last minute, after the scandal was out in public, the funds were released at the last minute.
And about a week sooner than under Obama.
Whatever. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
How we reacted to the first wrong sets something called precedent.
Surely you have heard of the concept of precedent.
All the lefties here have changed precedent to merely mean bothsidism, and they will scream it from the rooftops whenever they can.
Two instances of the same conduct means its not wrong, but SOP.
Even so, they could have taken him to court for a writ of mandamus against him to release the funds.
Question for people who say things like this: when you watch “The Godfather” and they speak about making a deal that someone cannot refuse, do you not realize there is a threat behind the euphemism? I guess if they are that naive about euphemistically-veiled threats it would explain how they don’t see any problem about Trump’s phone call.
In fact, the ONLY quid pro quo involving Ukraine was ALSO done by Biden.
Sigh. This has been discussed ad nauseous.
Biden was carrying out policy. Trump was trying to discredit a campaign opponent.
Trump was carrying out policy.
It’s OK when Democrats are corrupt.
No. He wasn’t. This has been talked about ad nauseum as you say but you still are pushing the lies around it.
Memos from people like Nuland show the policy was working with that prosecutor to find out prior corruptions prior to his firing. You may remember Nuland, she was an impeachment witness.
Yes. He was. All of Europe was also on board with the firing of the prosecutor.
Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko is under huge pressure to appoint a new prosecutor general with a strong anti-corruption reputation, and to back investigations into the shadowy affairs of major businessmen and politicians.
The EU and United States are demanding as much, amid a political crisis that has paralysed reforms in Ukraine and jeopardised vital funding from international lenders.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.259119
Crackhead Hunter should never have been given a role in the energy company, but claiming Shokin was fired so he would not investigate Burisma is friggin lie. But I do appreciate the fact that if someone is still pushing that BS, I know to consider them on par with Guiliani...
https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc
Shokin WAS investigating the oligarch behind Burisma.
His successor dropped the investigation after a month and the oligarch, who had fled the country, returned only after Shokin was fired.
Youre pushing debunked stories based on information and statements post firing. While ignoring the letters and memos from prior the firing released through FOIA. Why?
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/biden-boomerang-newly-released-state-memo-casts-doubt
Just ignorant?
First of all...John Solomon? LOL. Second of all, even in the Senate Republicans investigation, nowhere did they find Joe Biden held back any money from Ukraine if they did not stop investigating Burisma. Trump did threaten to hold back military aid from Ukraine unless they did what he wanted to further his political campaign.
https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC%20-%20Finance%20Joint%20Report%202020.09.23.pdf
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_cache/files/9/7/97456b51-22ce-4623-a086-ace0c53226d5/48BB333C1C03B263CD3BCD0E48416CAB.hfac----dos-records-debunk-republican-smear.pdf
"Biden was carrying out policy."
Obama and Biden had no more power to hold up funds approved by Congress than Trump did. And Biden did it SPECIFICALLY to protect his son's employer. Trump "did it" to investigate what the hell Biden was boasting about.
Cite?
It’s rather pathetic that this whole dispute ultimately boils down to the press’s outrage over Kashoggi getting clapped. The guy wasn’t and American citizen, wasn't even a journalist, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason he was actually killed is because MBS found out that he was a CIA asset, which would be par for the course considering WaPo’s hotline to the glowies.
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Simple fix.
No electric cars.
Or, keep your electrical equipment on higher ground when a hurricane is coming.
Have you ever been to SW Florida? There is no higher ground. Higher bridges, maybe...
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Florida is like 4feet above sea level, mean.
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Is there bias in this article?
What part of "reason.com" do you not understand?
It's ENB. Need I say more?
I for one applaud the mocking of jeff.
For those who missed that thread Jeff has gone full sarc and asks if articles that even slightly critical of the left are biased as an attempted gotcha that is really an attempted strawman.
It was in the school school article yesterday morning.
Buttplug butthurt
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/13/consumer-price-index-september-2022-.html
The consumer price index increased 0.4% for the month, more than the 0.3% Dow Jones estimate, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. On a 12-month basis, so-called headline inflation was up 8.2%, off its peak around 9% in June but still hovering near the highest levels since the early 1980s.
CNN's hot take related to this - "Why aren't people paying attention to our show trial?! The new season starts today!" https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/midterms-january-6-hearing-inflation-analysis
"Polls repeatedly show that voters see the economy – a far more visceral issue in daily life than the threat to American democracy – as their top concern. Their anxiety was explained by the latest inflation data. Grocery bills are just a pain right now. Frozen potato products are up 10%, pork products that are not sausages are 5.5% more expensive, according to US Producer Price Index data released on Wednesday. While it would be too simplistic to say voters are more preoccupied with the cost of French fries than the price of democratic freedoms, it wouldn’t be far from the mark."
"...While it would be too simplistic to say voters are more preoccupied with the cost of French fries than the price of democratic freedoms, it wouldn’t be far from the mark.”"
As if the show trials had anything at all to do with 'democratic freedoms', unless that's the freedom of the Ds to promote show trials.
Also I thought they were all champions of democracy. If the people care more about French fries than your pet issue you're anti-democratic if you don't listen to them.
Theoretically our representatives are there to carry out the will of the people, so fix the damn French fry prices.
The cost of French Fries is to damn high!
There front page only mentions inflation by saying Social Security payments are going up by a record amount.
Now that's what I call spin.
Nice to know the chocolate ration is increasing...
than the threat to American democracy
Wait, what? Ok, I'mma play that game too.
When the press says, "threat to American democracy," they mean "threat to Democratic political monopolies."
Arizona Committee for Clean Elections oversees debates for candidates in Arizona. They are partnered with Arizona PBS. Their rules call for debates between candidates. If one party doesn't agree to the debate, the other party get a solo town hall.
Dem candidate Hobbs refuses to debate.
Arizona PBS decided to go around their agreements with the elections group and give Hobbs her own townhall anyways.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/arizona-pbs-faces-backlash-after-it-unilaterally-caved-to-democrat-katie-hobbs-and-bucked-azs-debate-commission
Look at my shocked face.
Don’t know if you caught Dave Smith’s last podcast but he took a run at the LP candidate for his fucked up debate performance. Also, I suspect Robbie Bernstein might be a commentator.
I’m behind. I will have to listen. Victor was terrible. Almost like he just has a list of talking points and doesn’t understand the actual issues.
Robbie and Dave have both been taking shots at Reason. They even mentioned how the commentary was better than the articles a few pods back.
Please link to that
I would have to listen to a few. Want to say it was about 2 weeks back. May have been his Steven crowder one.
Which podcast?
Nevermind
Part of the Problem. But think you found it.
For as often as Reason has slandered the Mises caucus I’m a little surprised he hasn’t taken more shots at them. But it’s funny that people will criticize “libertarians” for some shit take by Reason and he’ll do a podcast basically saying “that’s not libertarian”.
You knew reason was lost when Welch said ENB was the most libritarian person he knew.
That was Robbie sir.
Thats my take of what crowder was doing. Think Dave missed it a bit in his response podcast.
How much is that amount of time worth as ad revenue? The FEC should hold the executives personally responsible for this in-kind donation for that value. But it favors Democrats so who am I kidding.
"if they. did this for a MAGA..."
Every damn time. If this was done for a trump endorsed candidate the journo shitlibs would be screaming bloody murde.
This isn't a surprise since PBS is a Democratic mouthpiece. It just means that they're going to need to get their titties twisted for in-kind political contributions if the Republicans get control of the state government. A nice lawsuit by the state AG should do the trick on email discovery.
The Los Angeles County Federation of Labor should probably get itself new counsel. If the recording was made illegally, any criminality accrues to the person who made the recording; the Los Angeles Times is not breaking any laws by reporting on it. And aside from being a dubious legal strategy, the threat is also a bad PR strategy.
Now do James O'Keefe and the Biden girl’s diary.
Hey now. PV conspired by telling the FBI about the diary and then not publishing it.
the ironing always escapes them.
Somehow needs to break down how the individual plaintiffs in the Alex Jones case each suffered over 50 million in damages. None of them were worth that much and could never have been worth that much. And Alex Jones didn’t kill their children, that’s some other guy.
I know close to nothing about Alex Jones; I hear he's a shitbag, but that mostly comes from people whose opinions I despise, so I will reserve judgment.
However, this verdict is an obvious railroading to send a message to anyone who dare position themselves against our overlords and question the purity of their motives. He will not be the last.
Heck, maybe he's said a bunch of hateful, harmful shit. But you can't try to punish him for all of it in a single settlement, you need to bring a tort for each claim of harm.
And this is the second case on the exact same statements he's made-he was already forced to pay out millions in awards in the Texas lawsuit. So it's re-punishing him for the same civil tort in a different court, and they're punishing him in a way not commensurate to the damages suffered.
It's not harmful to free speech that they sued for defamation, nor that they won. It's harmful that they wanted such a big award in an attempt to end him, to shut down his ability to speak in the future.
the problem with trying to shut him down is that is how he makes his money so they have to allow him to continue to spew conspiracy theories so that he can pay this bill off. its a catch 22
Therefore, Alex Jones is a Tobacco Company.
Lol.
I wonder if there is anything that anyone could say about a regular family that is worth a billion dollars in damages?
And I sure do remember a lot of handwringing over "chilling speech" when a president merely said "fake news" about a news organization that was in point of fact actually lying about him. Yet, a billion dollars doesn't come up on anyone's radar here as absurd and a threat to free speech?
Would saying Trump has sex with endangered species be worth that much?
Hell, Amber Heard and the WaPo objectively cost Johnny Depp over $50 million in lost revenue, plus millions in legal fees. He was awarded like $8 million.
Half the papers in the country lied about Nick Sandmann. It was on tape and they lied anyway. He'll, people still lie about that on TV. Think he suffered more real life consequences than some dude in a midsized town that Alex Jones said was an actor... but nobody believed? Yet the courts have not been sympathetic.
Partisan politics has corrupted the soul of this nation. Even such simple issues as free speech and equal justice are no match for it.
And just to underscore the partisan politics at play... the courts have ruled that when Rachel Maddow of MSNBC lied about someone in a very material way to a national audience... it is not defamation or slander.
Why?
Because nobody could possibly believe she is serious and not hyperbolic, even when she says "I am totally serious. I have the proof. This is literally true."
That is the world we live in. Alex Jones is literally known as a conspiracy theorist kook, and the courts say a bizarre tale he spins that is clearly way out into tinfoil hat territory is so super cereal that he damaged people far beyond their lifetime earnings even though they suffered no direct economic damages.
While Maddow is immune to defamation lawsuits.
Partisan politics has wrecked the fabric of our democracy.
Hell, even Hulk Hogan's sex tape was only $186M.
I'm guessing there will be an appeal. From what I hear, this is a classic show-trial in the truest sense of the word.
exactly now can Trump sue the Media for the lies they told about him. BTW Alex Jones is just a crazy conspirator. I've listened to him a few time over the years. he has no debate skills and is literally crazy but that said the suit is still just to silence anyone who has a different opinion
The whole point of going after a marginal, niche media figure like Alex Jones, whether it's this judgement or the deplatforming that took place a couple of years ago, is to normalize such actions against anyone who dares to go against the Cathedral.
This isn't like Gawker, which had FAR more reach and was taken far more seriously as a media source before the Hogan trial; they got crushed because they didn't realize they were just foot soldiers and ended up embarrassing one of the Cathedral's Made Men, who also had ties to government intel and defense departments. Jones is getting targeted specifically because these same people know that allowing niche figures like Jones to operate means that they don't have a total lockdown on controlling information. It's why Joe Rogan's been targeted, for similar reasons, except Rogan was largely saved because he didn't have Jones's flopsweat reputation.
From what I have heard the massive payout stems from Jones' lawyer being incompetent and failing to respond to something. Though it's likely best to look up the precise details on that oneself.
Jones lawyer accidentally released the entirety of Jones phone to the prosecution team.
he meme stock community is…getting weirder?
Oh, well, if some random guy on Twitter says so, then it must be both true and newsworthy.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/13/kremlin-warns-of-world-war-iii-with-nuclear-bombs/
Russia bluntly warned Thursday that further meddling by Western powers in Ukraine would spark World War III — this time a nuclear one that “will be catastrophic for all mankind.”
The warning came a day after a senior NATO official said a Russian nuclear strike would almost certainly trigger a “physical response” from Ukraine’s allies — and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said the US was “committed to defending every inch of NATO’s territory.”
Isn't it high time to back down and get to negotiate a peace?
Negotiate like Reagan; "we win, you lose".
Why do you care about Ukraine and why is Ukraine a US problem?
Because a lot of democrats affiliated with the Atlantic Council have investments in the Ukraine and we have to protect their spoils.
That, and the Biden (Crime) Family's favorite money laundering center.
The war "is" the money laundering operation.
We are doomed.
Today, a senile idiot and a paranoid moron former KGB agent are in charge of the two largest nuclear stockpiles in the world. That really doesn't make it easy to sleep at night if you think about it at all.
Oddly (or maybe not so oddly), I'm more worried about the senile idiot than the paranoid moron former KGB agent doing something tragically stupid.
The problem is that Russia (and China as well) changed its stance on strategic nuclear engagement shortly after the Obama administration announced that the US would reduce some of its nuclear stockpiles. Before then, they still treated MAD as a primary keystone of that, but that changed to one where they asserted the right to preemptive strikes.
Maybe Nancy will call the joint chiefs and try to circumvent the nuclear launch protocols so we don't end up in a nuclear war.
I hear the Chairman knows who to contact in the Chinese military. Maybe they can get word to their counterpart in Russia.
Fuck you for mouthing the same things trump is !
ORANGEMAN BAD ABOVE ALL!
With a former KGB Agent murderer who, along with his muses Alexandr Dugin and Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church, wants a New Eurasian Empire and thinks his horrific invasion of Ukraine is blessed by God???
There is no negotiating with glinty-eyed goons like that! If Putin successfully takes Ukraine. he'll take every Eastern European nation the former Soviet Union held, then he'll be back in the business of shoe-hammering "We will bury you" World Conquest!
And remember, that threat of Putin's to use nukes is aimed at every U.S City and every suburb as well!
Sorry, no crying "peace, peace" when there is no peace! Grateful heirs of The Founders, the Abolitionists, and every person who came to Ellis Island under Emma Lazarus' inscription do not give up Liberty for a mess of pottage, let alone threats of nuclear blackmail!
The Soviets could not take Afghanistan.
That's because the people they invaded didn't buy into "Mutually-Assured Destruction."
How’s it going over there? Glad to hear you’re still alive.
Funny, when the Soviets actually did control Eastern Europe and openly bragged about crushing the west, we negotiated to maintain peace. But we can't negotiate now based on a hypothetical?
"Jurors ordered conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on Wednesday to pay nearly $1 billion to Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims' relatives and an FBI agent," reports the Associated Press. "The $965 million verdict is the second big judgment against the Infowars host for spreading the myth that the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history never happened, and that the grieving families seen in news coverage were actors hired as part of a plot to take away people's guns."
And do you support this ENB? Defamation damages are for actual estimated damages from the defamation. Please explain how a family was damaged 100 million dollars from Alex Jones. There were 8 families in this suit.
This is a revenge ruling, not one based on liberty. And the size guarantees this will be thrown out on appeal.
The judgment does not in anyway seem justified by the harm he caused.
He wasn't responsible for actually killing thier children.
I can't believe these monsters (the parents) are profiting off the death of their children like this.
A licensed Texas roofer helping put roofs on Florida houses damaged by Hurricane Ian was arrested for not having a roofing license in Florida.
Texas roofs aren't the same quality as Florida roofs. Everyone knows that.
He’s just a carpetbagger stealing jobs from the hard working Florida man.
The reporting would be a bit more honest if it covered why this law exists as Florida has had decades of issues post hurricanes with grifters taking down-payment for repairs and then just leaving the state. Not saying that is the case here, but why the law was put in place.
grifters happen every where in every field even licensed people can be grifters. Its not uncommon
Reason writers rarely care to investigate why Chesterton's Fences exist, they just want them gone.
OK, what’s your best conjecture what the Chesterton fence is in this case?
My best guess is anti-competitive regulatory capture.
Did you see the JesseAZ post I was responding to?
It’s an odd numbered day. He’s got Jesse on mute.
Lol.
It is just embarrassing for him.
But doesn't that make the local monopoly-privileged Florida businesses into the grifters?
Not saying the system is good, just why the law exists.
The problem is many of the contractors are bonded by states. Would love to see Florida work with other states to get emergency bonds and licenses for contractors from other states with the agreement the states will pursue fraud in Florida if the contractor fails to complete a contract.
But thats not what is set up and requires multiple states to work together for this.
Like Texas has ever had to deal with a hurricane.
Jurors ordered conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on Wednesday to pay nearly $1 billion to Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims' relatives and an FBI agent...
Trump wins again.
Glad to see that shitbag Alex Jones being held to account for telling lies. Can't wait for Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer to be held to the new standard. They'll get the death penalty.
What’s Adam Schiff, chopped liver?
Kinda, yeah.
Pate isn't to bad. Stop besmirching chopped liver.
For the record Mike Bonin is a little bitch
With all the anti libritarian garbage going on in the world ENB picks people being crass as the days big topic.
ENB stick to what you know best, sandwhich recipies
People say she's a cunt. I would never call her that, of course, but that's just what people are saying, I don't know.
Seems an insult to cunts in my opinion. I've had many pleasant experiences with them in my day, not so much with ENB and her "reporting"
Interesting:
"If the recording was made illegally, any criminality accrues to the person who made the recording; the Los Angeles Times is not breaking any laws by reporting on it."
Interesting.
Perhaps Reason should take an interest in taking up the cause of Project Veritas as well as the LA times. I mean, sure, a letter from a fearsome labor lawyer is a huge threat to the free press. But I think the justice department and the FBI coordinating with the NYT against a small independent news organization might constitute a larger threat to the 4th estate.
PV aren't real journalists. They are deplorables silly. The First Amendment and the freedom of the press only applies to real journalists not deplorables and insurrectionists. Didn't you know that?
signed
The Reason Staff.
Perhaps Reason should take an interest in taking up the cause of Project Veritas
Too local.
Last week, the American Medical Association, the Children’s Hospital Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics sent a letter to U.S. attorney general Merrick Garland requesting that the Department of Justice “take swift action to investigate and prosecute” “high-profile users on social media” who have allegedly created a “campaign of disinformation” against children’s hospitals that offer “gender-affirming health care,” leading to threats and harassment, including a bomb-threat hoax at Boston Children’s Hospital.
https://www.city-journal.org/ama-seeks-to-silence-critics-of-radical-gender-medicine
ChemJeff will have an orgasm when he reads that. I am sure Merrick Garland did.
It's not happening
It is just a rightwing meme until next month when it will be "of course it is happening and it is a good thing and old news anyway".
Oddly it is the studies jeff relies on that push the actual disinformation. There is a reason most of Europe is pulling back from the surgery and pills for kids craze.
The studies are either entirely bogus or say the exact opposite of what groomers like Jeff claim they say. There is absolutely no scientific or medical basis for transgenderism. It is Lysenkoism at its worst.
We're already starting to see stories on transitioning regret from people who realized after surgery and HRT that their issues had more to do with mental imbalances that needed to be treated, rather than radical body alterations. Granted, they're in stuff like the Daily Fail, but if right-wing media is really concerned about pushing back against this, they need to be far more aggressive about seeking out people like this, or the person Matt Walsh spoke to who has enough self-awareness to understand that the surgeries she underwent to look like a man were due to crippling dysmorphia, not because she actually thinks she is a man.
Honestly, the people who push this shit aren't any better than the Kardashians, who have all undergone radical body and face-altering surgeries to varying degrees. It's just normalizing body dysmorphia as something to be embraced rather than treated, and of course the hospitals go right along with it because the money to be made from lifelong medical treatments for these people is absolutely massive, and thus they have no incentive to discourage it outside of ethical concerns.
I would propose a law that it is legal for people with transition regret to kill anyone that led them down that path including any doctors that did any work on it
At least let them chop off a body part.
I endorse either of these proposals. This whole mess has never been about compassion or inclusion. It’s always been about raking in mountains of blood money.
Right wing media has been promoting detransitioners often.
People were legitimately upset that the guy multiple groups go to in order to silence their opposition was not put on the SCOTUS?
Fuck, McConnell may be terrible.,,but he spared us that
The battle turtle for the win.
Or is he the cowardly turtle from the old Robin Hood Cartoon.
Now that the loony Alex Jones is paying the price for all his harmful statements about Sandy Hook, when is "Doctor" Anthony Fauci going to face hefty fines and/or prison time for:
1) Violating federal law by conducting illegal back door gain of function viral experiments with communist China by funneling money through contractor cutouts and other third parties,
2) Committing perjury on multiple occasions while under sworn oath in his congressional testimony when directly questioned about his activities referenced above (especially in response to senator Rand Paul), and
3) The multitude of other misleading and even blatantly false statements too numerous to list here he made to the general public regarding vaccines and masks over the course of almost three years??
Whatever actual damage Alex Jones has done to society, it utterly pales in comparison to the damage that this asshole Fauci has done in the course of his malevolent decades-long career.
SPOILER: Never.
Alex Jones is the deep state demonstrating its ability to impose ridiculous, anti-democratic penalties for speech.
Jones' opinion may have been tasteless and cruel, but he had a right to say it. Giving him a near billion dollar fine is a joke, a fascist overreach of monumental proportions and a deliberate threat by the state. The judge and all involved deserve to go to jail for it.
Don't leave out aids and alergies
Reason remains a Tulsi Gabbard free zone.
I know I'm shocked.
Oh, yeah. Whenever Reason doesn’t blog about something, it’s rock solid proof they are suppressing the story at their progressive masters’ command.
Kill yourself you retarded sealion. Reason dedicates hundreds of words to a roofer and ignores a prominent Democrat calling the left a cult. No mater how hard you try the cunt ENB isn't going to suck your cock or make you a sandwhich
Ye comments come first! Just like they can only get to a "few" of the DoJ abuses. They HAVE to ignore political abuse by the DoJ. They don't have the time. What with all the movie reviews, podcasts, and that amazing weekly reader question.
AOC gets wrecked by her own supporters are voting to fund Ukraine
https://mobile.twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1580410031685926913
Quite a beatdown. These are Democrats, and they're basically criticizing the Democratic Party and AOC. Both of the questioners also praised Tulsi Gabbard for her guts to stand up to the Democratic Party elite.
So "Crazy-Eyes" meets more "Crazy-Eyes"? 🙂
Damn.
Yeah, this was awesome. And official recognition of AOC having passed her sell by date.
"unlicensed roofing"
I dont know if the founding fathers would die of shock or die from laughing at us.
"Samuel Adams Goes Full Clocktower."
Reason Rundown
Why NOBODY should be using the 'thumbs up' emoji in 2022
"Sending a thumbs-up can be seen as passive aggressive and even confrontational, according to Gen Z who claim they feel attacked whenever it is used. Whether the chat is informal, between friends or at work the icon appears to have a very different, 'rude' meaning for the younger generation.
A 24-year-old on Reddit summed up the Gen Z argument, saying it is best 'never used in any situation' as it is 'hurtful'."
Turns out that your violent drunk Grandpa was right; the kindest, most compassionate thing you can do for these people is grab your belt and beat the devil out of them.
If this is accurate, a significant portion of Gen Z needs to grow thicker skin or stay in the veal pens.
"Stay in the veal pens!". I love it! May I use that one? 🙂
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Better yet, make them pick out the switch they're going to get smacked with.
My Dad made me do that once (he didn't use it). Can't remember what I did but I'm fairly confident I didn't do it again.
Kinda like when my Mom would count to three. I asked her after I had kids and started counting to three how often she counted with no real idea what she'd do if she ever got to three? She said "all the time but it worked so I didn't have to come up with anything."
What's worse, OK or thumbs up?
You'll notice this is in the "Femail" section of The Daily Mail, right? 🙂
This reminds me of a classmate from Junior High. Whenever he wanted to gainsay anything anybody said, regardless of sex, he would always hoot out: "Shut up, woman!". Hmmm...Maybe that needs to make a comeback. 🙂
If anyone says that emojis or anything else is "passive-aggressive," just point out to them that "passive-aggressive" saves lives, including theirs. Then stare intently at them. 🙂
Reason Rundown
Two points:
1) Stop being shocked when mainstream liberals express their desire to see their political adversaries not only censored by a union of state and corporate power but also imprisoned. The crux of American liberalism is authoritarianism.
2) The most reliable indicator someone is a fraud: they label themselves a "disinformation specialist" or working for an "anti-disinformation group": as if this is some new, apolitical, specialized term of art rather than a politicized farce to make censorship appear scientific.
(As many pointed out: "disinformation expert" performs a similar function as the label "fact-checker":
Media corporations know the public lost trust in their employees' statements so they created new job titles to glorify them as residing above ordinary subjectivity and bias).
"...As many pointed out: “disinformation expert” performs a similar function as the label “fact-checker”..."
Or, "censor".
It's liberalism in name only (LINO). They're authoritarian progressives.
^ This.
Exactly. They despise liberalism as much as anyone. They’re maoists.
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There is nothing progressive about a universal basic income
"A ‘post-work’ society would strip workers of their agency and put them out to pasture."
Cattle not useful for anything are almost always slaughtered
soylent green.
The primary goal of Millennials and Zoomers in the post-internet age has been to figure out how to live as a NEET while still maintaining an upper-middle class to elite lifestyle. It's why so many of these tards think they're going to make it as social media influencers and get big bucks via Patreon or whatever other cash-donation service they use.
This shit all started in the late 90s when the impression was established that you could use the internet to make a living by selling ads on your Geocities website, rather than doing anything particularly useful. The problem is that it's become perfectly clear in the social media age that consumers are actually the product, not the customer, and Big Tech sells us to advertisers via data-mining software that tracks our surfing habits.
I believe it's the inevitable fallout from converting from a production based economy to a service and consumer based economy.
But they can still vote, right?
Reason Rundown
Canadian law enforcement surveilling American gun show in Montana?
Reason Rundown
Politico: Vladimir Putin, The invader making the EU green
"It took a war criminal to speed up Europe’s green revolution.
By invading Ukraine and manipulating energy supplies to undermine European support for Kyiv, Russian President Vladimir Putin has achieved something generations of green campaigners could not — clean energy is now a fundamental matter of European security."
And I will laugh as they freeze to death
So is "freezing your ass off" this winter.
These people are insane cultists.
With the LA Council scandal, this is what you get when you promote identity politics. Each identity group will see the others as rivals and enemies and are unlikely to have pleasant things to say about each other, especially in private or semi-private forums. This scandal is progressive Wokism reaping what it has sown.
I dunno. That councilwoman sounds pretty straight-up old-school bigoted.
Like he said "progressive Wokism".
My thesis is that identity politics encourages old school bigotries, it does not suppress them. Telling people that they should identify politically as their race, ethnicity etc brings bigotry to the forefront and justifies it.
Hispanic distaste for black people and Indians goes back centuries. Modern identity politics may exacerbate this to a degree, but the only major difference between now and then is that white people are the primary targets, and it's usually egged on by "fellow white people" types like Tim Wise.
Mexico for centuries has had a bi societal split between mestizos and European in Mexico.
Check out Mexican TV. Those don't look quite like the people mowing lawns in the neighborhood.
>>What the 1970s can teach us about inflation now.
put on a fucking sweater
Or look at a 1970s photo of Erin Gray wearing a sweater.
The Los Angeles County Federation of Labor should probably get itself new counsel.
They are still adjusting to the information age where everything is recorded 24/7. 40 years ago the story could have been successfully quashed and the person who made the recording would have been found in a car trunk in Tijuana.
TJ was a hoot when you could go there w/o getting murdered.
"..."Jurors ordered conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on Wednesday to pay nearly $1 billion to Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims' relatives and an FBI agent," reports the Associated Press..."
Pretty sure Misek doesn't have two nickels to rub together, but doesn't this suggest some one (or several) of the Jewish faith could bring a civil suit against him?
After Duque Roofing worked with police to help with food after the storm, THEN their person was arrested for unlicensed (they ARE licensed in Texas though) roofing by other police.
There is no contractor license requirement in Texas. There is a license available through RCAT, but Duque has not taken the exam.
In my experience, most states contractor licenses don't create a cartel like professional licenses. They are easy to obtain, with almost no educational requirements. They also require a performance bond so that a customer has some recourse for failure to perform and construction defects.
Should they be arresting him over it? No. But with it being Florida, I can understand why they made it a criminal violation instead of civil.
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Fuck Joe Biden.
25 days.
I see that our favorite morbidly obese Ron Jeremy lookin' ugly monkey ass incel kiddie diddler was so depressed by today's economic report he couldn't even bring himself to show up today.
26 more days, fucko! ROFLMAO.